The Slow Decay of Vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like we're about to take another step back in terms of content, and I say that with confidence as it's happened many times before.

Let me explain.
Initially vtubing was high quality, it was in its infancy and nobody was sure how to do things. But with Kizuna AI at the helm vtubing was lead by high quality 3D productions focused on delivering easily digestible and entertaining content. The investment cost was high but the return quality was even higher. This was the golden age of vtubing where produced content was paired with the highest quality vtubing models and tracking to make the best content possible.
Between this and the next milestone there was a chain of cheaper knockoffs typically vrchat focused, but while there were some notable names it never caught on and was inferior.

The next big milestone was nijisanji with tsukino mito. This is what popularized the streaming craze. The cheap L2D models combined with low investment streams immediately lowered the bar to entry. In exchange for the lower quality however you received direct interaction with the content creator. This for awhile lead to a split between high effort videos and low effort streams, however with the lower investment costs streaming eventually won out and vtubing has forever taken the hit, relegated to becoming streamers instead of content creators. However in the start of this Era with leaders like Mito the streams were novel and entertaining.
I'll had a half milestone here for hololive. They popularized not just vtubing to mass audience overseas but continued to lower the quality by focusing on even lower effort gaming streams where they didn't need to make an effort to connect with the audience, they just had to make generic streamer noises lowering the bar even further.

I believe with NijiEN we're about to enter an even lower state of vtubing. Gone are the days of high quality produced videos. Gone are the days vtubers are expected to interact with their chats. And now, now even watching the vtuber we want to watch is being taken away. With daily collabs vtubing is being turned from interacting with a streamer we like, to just watching on the side line as an unrelated group of friend ignores us and fucks around on their own. There is no longer any semblance of quality or production value, no creativity, just people recording themselves playing a game with friends with no interaction with their audience. It's all the low effort low quality of a stream, with none of the audience interaction that popularized it in the first place.

I honestly believe NijiEN is about to ruin vtubing again. Just like how NijiJP ruined vtubing in the past.
I can only hope that someone somewhere out there realizes where it all went wrong and returns us to the golden age of vtubing when kizuna ai was king.

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[Anonymous No.]

Cope Nijinigger. You helped kill Kizuna Ai. Now deal with the consequences.

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Holy fucking shit dude

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>>21601803
Nice copypasta

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>>21601910
You didn't even read my essay bro.

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>>21601803
Nijisanji was built on collabs LARPing newfag.

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>>21601803

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this is pretty sad

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>>21601803
<span class="xae" data-xae="dizzy">😵</span>

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>>21601803
tldr niji sucks.

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>>21601803
tldr

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>>21601803
didn't read lol

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[Anonymous No.]

If I could go back I still wouldn't believe that there would eventually be an entire board where people LARP as 2Dhater and his SEAfriends.

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>>21601803
>This faggot wasn't there when NijiJP was at its peak with SEEDs
NijiEN is reviving what NijiJP was used to be known for. <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/57b01648_nepSmug.png"><img class="xae" data-xae width="100" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/49bde730_shoopdw2.png"><img class="xae" data-xae width="31" height="25" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/2b414cf1_YesHoney.png">

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry but lots of the shorts in the first era were bad and trying too hard to be the standard Japanese tarento comedy shit. Mito showed how much more entertaining improvised LARPing and the organic generation of community memes could be, and collabs are essential for that.

[Anonymous No.]

Half of the shit you're proposing stemmed from NijiEN existed since early 2020 and NijiEN and twitch indies interact with their chat far more than holoEN.

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>>21602289
It sucked back then too and there's a good reason they backed off of collabs. Ironically the Japanese have more of a backbone than the west does.

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>>21601803

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>>21601803
All out war

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>>21602362
Yet the Japanese fans look at EN and wish JP was still like that now.

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>>21602337
I'd agree many weren't great but your dislike is the lack of connection to japanese culture as well.
And while not perfect it required creativity and production value.

Now we get shit like Ina sitting there in silence for 10 hours a day while she plays elden ring.
Or shit like endless collabs in NijiEN even during a promised gfe stream.

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>>21602337
Name a collab where Mito has been alone with 2 boys

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>>21602465
Sure and people still pretend retro games were better than what we have today too.
While there's plenty of shit in modern games, overall quality has shot up by light-years. There's a good reason JPs collabs died out, just like there's a good reason static camera angles in resident evil are being removed. It's just bad.

But the western audience is too busy simping because they were told vtubing is popular so they refuse to voice their complaints

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>>21602745
New Kirby is objectively worse than dreamland

[Anonymous No.]

Anon if you want a streamer to pay attention to you, you can just watch literally ANY of the 50 small-corpo English vtubers. They read almost all their chat messages. Seriously, why aren't you watching them? Check them out

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>>21602745
> overall quality has shot up by light-years
This is only true if you factor in graphics, which improved by leaps and bounds. But even a game like MGS with blocky polygons have way more depth than anything that has come out in the past year.

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>>21602745
Or maybe there is something of value to people interacting naturally without feeling like they need to restrict themselves for the sake of a few autistics that will go spastic if they don't? Lots of people don't recognize what they have lost until its gone.

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>>21602204
fpbp

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>>21602907
Basic controls are way better as is movement in general. Play any game from 20 years ago and just compare the controls. It was garbage back then, especially anything involving 3 dimensional movement.
Fighting games were extremely limited, and anything that requires a hitbox was clunky at best.

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>>21602899
I do. But as always the indies follow the big guys. It's hard to find an indie worth watching.
The art chuubas are typically good though.

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>>21601803

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>>21602907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjPpX1g1juo

Stop pretending MGS 1 had good gameplay.

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>>21602745
>Sure and people still pretend retro games were better than what we have today too.
Okay, thanks. Now I don't have to engage with this thread because you just showed your an actual smoothbrain retard. You're exactly the type of idiot that loves the microtransaction-infused AIDs that is modern games. Enjoy your GAAS, retard.
And no. Before you creep back here spouting garbage, you don't get to put on horse-blinders and define the modern games industry by only looking at a couple games made by Japanese companies.

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>>21603170
Try some of them.
Tsunderia has someone streaming right now, check them out

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>>21603470
>PS1 era AI is bad
The gameplay is still fun despite this

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>>21601803
Nigga, make a video essay or something. I can't read.

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>>21601803
Fandom reflects their idols. NijiEN is a chink central, so you are not wrong that creative bankruptcy is a prevalent dilemma.

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>>21602289
Just replying to say that I'm glad we can fire lazors at stuff now
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>>21603049
Fighting games fucking suck and the only real game released in the past year that is worth anything is elden ring. Come on, name your best games it's all indie trash who make decent games (Hades,VS) but it's stuff that was done decades ago, while creatively and intellectually the industry is bankrupt and hollow full of lowest common denominator game play loops and paying real money for in game gambling
Look at "good" games to "gamers" in 2021. Apex. Valorant. Genshin Impact. Fortnite. I imagine the feeling I get when thinking about those games is similar to when women get creeped on by an ugly fat man.

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>>21601803
This is all Pomu's fault. Fuck Poomu <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/d8f61d71_SadCatW.png">

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>>21602745
There are like three genres of games, now.
How the fuck is that "better".

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>>21603641
do you really think we need more overly long bad video essays with poor research and a 5th grade reading level? We don't need anymore kids making video essays when they can barely even write essays in their school.

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>>21601803
Summary: Nijisanji Ruins Everything.

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>>21603892
yeah he thought that fr you dumb ass balding ass bitch nigga <span class="xae" data-xae="perfect">💯</span><span class="xae" data-xae="proud">😤</span><span class="xae" data-xae="ok">👌</span>

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>>21602745
You probably don't even play video games other a single one. Just because you've found your personal crack addiction and play LoL, FF14, or Apex all day every day, doesn't mean games today are better, you stupid zoomer faggot.

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>>21603829
Racing games are better.
Platformers are better.
Shooters are better (modern doom > Old doom. Csgo > cs 1.6. Battlefield do suck though. R6siege is better than older games)
Rts games are just dead so I'll give retro games that.
Modern MMOs are better. Try playing an old mmo you don't have nostalgia for, it's garbage.
RPGs are better with better graphics and characters.

Across the board game quality has risen. You just expect more now.

Meanwhile I can go watch old kizuna ai videos and they're still great.
I can watch kotones old videos and they're 1000x funnier than these shitty animal crossing streams.

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>>21603470
Then why is it so much more enjoyable than anything that released the past year? The gameplay overall IS good. You can nitpick every little flaw, sure, but nothing you get today is as immersive.

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>>21604095
You're right about games but anon.... Kizuna Ai was never funny. It's literally just redditors gushing about how funny a japanese anime girl is saying "faq u." Animal crossing streams are shit, I give you that too.

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>>21601803
tldr
Are you a woman by any chance?

[Anonymous No.]

I would just like to say that both sides of this video game argument are quite retarded and that my personal opinions regarding video games are much better than theirs.

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>>21604233
I'd still rather watch every single unfunny kizuna ai video than a single 10 hour Ina stream. God that shits boring.

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>>21602174
>Kizuna AI invents vtubing and is high quality
>Tsukino Mito ruins vtubing by turning it into L2D streams
>Hololive makes it worse by normalizing shit streams
>NijiEN ruins vtubing again by focusing on collabs

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>>21601803
As long as Hololive has La Creatividad on their side it will remain as A city upon a Hill.

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>>21605167
Nowhere to go but down...

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>>21605127
>Anon ruins yet another family dinner by pontificating from the head of the table about vtubers while we were all just trying to have a nice meal at On the Border with grandma

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>>21605208
Nigga you're on /vt/ this isn't on the border, you went to chuck e cheese vtuber edition.
except you can't even enjoy vtuber chuck e cheese because vox invaded the stream to sperg about fnaf again for the 10th time

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>>21602745
Trash take. There are more high quality pre-2000's games than modern games.

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>>21605297
Vox being a fnaf autist is never going to stop being funny. God bless him and his demented fans

[Anonymous No.]

Vidya has gone downhill since Pong desu

[Anonymous No.]

hololive is bringing back prepared content though with the weekly ~10 minute fully subbed in english even segments. Also have the entire hololive error thing going on, polka densetsu, and they're stepping up their VR and modelling game. They also do other prepared content things sporadically, have that weeklyish video game collab thing, and just lots of shit like that going on.

but yeah nijiEN seems pretty fuckin doomed unless you just want to watch unfunny people in VC shooting the shit nonstop.

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>>21605873
holoEN also sucks though. Just gotta learn the JP.

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>>21601910
>Holos are such NPCs they're having friendly fire issues

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>>21605873
>but yeah nijiEN seems pretty fuckin doomed
Yeah! This time for sure, I just know it!

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>>21605931
I think Gura’s honestly pretty good

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>>21604095
Besides Nintendo, no one makes platformers anymore. New kirby can be played while you're literally asleep and New mario still isn't as good as 64, sunshine, or galaxy, not to mention gen 3 or 4 games.

Racing games are better. I will give you that one.
Also, I don't play MMOs but FFXIV looks better than shit like everquest, runescape, and wow, so you can have that one too.

New Zelda was interesting and pretty fun, but it wasn't a Zelda game.

Some RPGs are better, but almost all JRPGs are now garbage. Skyrim is repetitive as fuck, and overall artistically dogshit compared to Morrowind and Oblivion. The streamlined and stylistically minimalist UI is the perfect metaphor for how soulless that game is compared to it's predecessors.
You'll never get anything as good as Sakaguchi-Uematsu era FF. Thinking more graphics = good and not caring about art direction, music, or setting is normalfag-tier retarded.
Stuff like Fromsoft and Platinum are great and a reminder of what games used to be like.

As for shooters, again, your microtransaction infused crap like CSgo and Rainbow6 is better than CS1.6, but shit like that is for faggots that make a single game their at-home job and never play anything else. Back when RS3, Halo2/3, unreal tournament 2003, etc came out, they were fantastic and I played them for 6-8 months and moved on. Now, no one can move on because all your items and skins and shit won't transfer to the next game. There's no evolution anymore. There's no innovation.

>Rts games are just dead so I'll give retro games that.
Almost every other genre is dead. Some genres like sports games might as well be dead.

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>>21605873
holojp isn't all bad
holoen is the worst though.

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>>21606098
>New Zelda was interesting and pretty fun, but it wasn't a Zelda game.
>A game called Zelda directed by Aonuma isn’t a Zelda game
Dude. It is, it just isn’t like the other 3D Zeldas

[Anonymous No.]

>nijiEN doesn't even target western markets anymore but that's okay because no one in the west ever gave a shit about them
Pretty funny if you ask me. Hopefully they keep E far away from the main branch though

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>>21606098
There are tons of great platformers made just mostly like indie PC. Shovel knight (it is a platformer), the end is nigh, celeste, hollow knight is platformer like.

3d platformers unfortunately ended up as child aimed bullshit with literally zero difficulty unfortunately though.

[Anonymous No.]

Actually accurate. NijiEN's constant collabing and family larping is shit.

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>>21606431
>indieshit

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>>21606538
>McDonald's is better than local restaurants
>no I haven't tried them

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>>21606098
>Skyrim
Skyrim came out over a decade ago grandpa, it is a retro game.

I don't play many platformers so I really can't judge it fairly. I played mario on the original gameboy and that's about it.
I think games like Gravity Rush are still good and recent. Hollow Knight was great though its getting up there in age too. I really adored little nightmares but that might not be considered platformer (i don't know want counts as "platformers"). I know there's a bunch of interesting mobile platformers though while while >mobile, many of them actually have some really nice stuff going for them.

>microtransactions
while I agree this is cancer, many of them are free or relatively cheap compared to the old days as well. and its at least usually optional.
But for every try hard game like siege and CS, you do have games like halo infinite and apex for the casual audiences. which having grown up on halo, i prefer things like apex arenas. halo was and still is really stiff, it had the nostalgia of the old days and early xbox live, but gameplay wise it isn't really that special.

don't get me wrong, i think modern games have lots of problems older games didn't have. but overall its been better at least in terms of gameplay. and we still get games like sakuna that are amazing games. or remakes like resident evil that show how much better those old games are with modern controls (even if they do remove stuff they didn't need to...)

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>>21604095
>Modern MMOs are better
There are no modern MMOs. Every currently popular MMO was released 10+ years ago

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>>21601803
Accurate take

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>>21606753
Lost Ark just came out like 4 years ago in korea i think. It has issues but its pretty decent.
Elyon just came out and is worse than Tera, but can't win everything i guess...

When did BDO come out? Its shit but it does a lot of things better than most other MMOs, its just also the worst microtransaction crap ever designed. Game wise its great though.

Blue protocol soon*

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>>21606613
kill yourself mutt

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>>21601803
we are arguably transitioning into the dark age of vtubing where the content itself takes a backseat and interactions are driven by rrats, yabs and drama

[Anonymous No.]

Its the male vtubers fucking everything up. And people like iron mouse who constantly tries to bring regular streamers into the vtuber market, Like her annoying stream bf connor. The market is being saturated with complete garbage and well established vtubers minus the hololive girls put no effort into streaming and simply colab, react to shit or play the "hot" game. Tho some of that blame is on the fans who continue to watch despite the quality drop

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>>21607193
We're already there friend.
Our king has died.
The old idols have fallen.
All that's left are the inbred inheritors warring for scraps and the peasants riot in the streets.

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>>21606538
if you're the one lamenting how retro games used to be better you should remind yourself that modern indie games have similar sized dev teams as old retro games were made with lmao.

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>>21606330
>No dungeons.
>A zelda game.
I would play it for the rest of my life over the dogshit that was skyward sword, but come on... BOTW didn't feel like a zelda game.

>>21606431
Those are good platformers but I thought you were talking about 3D platformers.
There's been several good indy 2d platformers over the past ten years, but do people really think they're better than the old castlevanias/metroids/mega mans/marios/etc? I don't.

Overall, I miss when games could be made by a smaller group of people with a decent budget.
You're not going to get Soul Reaver or Dark Cloud or Ninja Gaiden, or anything like that anymore.
You either get indy games with zero budget or massive AAA GAAS games with $100 million+ budget.

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>>21601803
NijiEN is basically those reality TV shows where a bunch of people live in a house, except now it with people too old and ugly to get a role on TV. <img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="19" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/3d8675e9_peepoWTF.png">

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>>21607345
>Overall, I miss when games could be made by a smaller group of people with a decent budget.
It still happens.
Case in point, hollow knight and cup head.

Or just look at the chinese market (i know) but there's thousands of shovelware games that look amazing, solely because its that easy to make beautiful games in unity. If they had half a brain, it might actually be fun to play too.

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>>21607345
celeste is by far my favorite platformer and no I don't give a shit about its story the physics engine it has just feels so fuckin fun to play. there's an insane amount of modded content that owns.

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>>21607262
This is also accurate.

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>>21607262
Male vtubers aren't bad by nature. Its just a matter of the dynamics, what's expected, and how they're handled.

A lot of the older vtubers were male and were perfectly fine and funny.
Even in the current NijiJP format they're no worse than the girls are.

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What I hate most about the current NijiEN fanbase is they always spout shit about the 'old days' they don't understand.

In the 'old days' there were more collabs and natural drop ins, but its not like Hajime would just crash a JK gumi sleepover. Or do collabs 4/6 days a week. And for that matter the collabs they did weren't anything close to the collabs the EN branch is doing where everything is dropped to focus on their friends.

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>>21607193
It sounds like what's happened is that you've gone from watching streams to posting here

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>>21602289
oh it's the oldfag larper again
>was used to be
to no one's surprise it's a SEAnigger

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>>21604095
>Shooters are better
>modern doom > Old doom
let me know when people are still playing and creating content for doom 2016 27 years after its release, then I'll believe that it's as good as doom 2

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>>21609102
Something being a classic doesn't mean it plays better.
Doom is cool that you can play it on a calculator. But beyond the funny factor of playing doom on a calculator its pointless because if you play it on a gaming PC it still plays as if you're playing it on a calculator.

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>>21602804
Holy based

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>>21603049
20 years ago was 2002. 3D games were already perfected

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>>21604095
zoom zoom

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>>21601803
Are you whining about capitalism? It sounds like you're whining about capitalism.

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>>21609380
this is so retarded I legitimately can't tell if you're trolling or actually this dumb

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>>21609692
Doom sucks in the modern era bro, take your nostalgia goggles off.

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>>21601803
My advice:
>Avoid Nijisanji
>Avoid Hololive

There, stop crying and go watch anything beside that.

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>>21601803
Why are you pretending vtubing was better? It was the exact same if not worse due to lack of choice.
It was still video game content and shitty normie tier sketches but in japanese.
All the vtubers of the time were the exact same as now in terms of content.

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>>21606098
There is a dearth in variety in racing games. It is mostly Kart racers or sim arcade/sim with some indies filling in what ever cracks they can. Road Rash, Skitchin, the myriad of futuristic racers, and so on are culled.

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>>21609928
Yes but streams suck.
And its really annoying when you get shit like NijiEN (and I assume holoEN does it too) where the streams and the fans expect you to watch and internalize every single word a vtuber says as if you give a shit.

For example.
>rosemi makes a cooking stream
>decide to watch it because it says its a cooking stream
>15 minutes in she stops cooking and joins a big vshojo collab
>say this is disappointing
>WELL OBVIOUSLY SHE WAS GOING TO DO IT. SHE SAID SHE MIGHT DO A COLLAB YESTERDAY WHEN SHE DID THAT GUERILLA STREAM

like fuck off man, i'm not going to watch a 5 hour vod.
just give me a 15 minute video like himehina do.

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>>21609102
>Friday night, 1999
>7 years old
>play Starcraft and Age of Empires

>Friday night, 2022
>30 years old
>play Starcraft and Age of Empires

When it comes to stuff made in the 90s and very early 00s, we're talking output made with such a level of care and attention to detail that the rulesets themselves, independent of their platforms, have outlasted their creators in the same way classic board games like Chess and Go have. Meanwhile these garbage, always-online niggers-as-a-service zoomer games barely last one year before falling off. Or they just get shut down forever whenever the new thing comes out, because customers don't actually own their games anymore.

>>21603049
Like look at this nigger opinion. All the best fighting games in 2022 are 2D 1v1 fighters. The fighting game ruleset that outlasted the test of time and still makes for the best games today was invented with SF2 and Guilty Gear back in the 90s. Literally nobody gives a shit about modern 3D fighters today except Tekken autists and Smash pedophiles.

Fucking just... shut the fuck up, man. Nobody wants to hear your fucking baby opinion about things that happened over a decade before you were even formed as a highly defective sperm cell in your SEAnigger dad's lead-poisoned balls. holy shit I hate zoomers so fucking much

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>>21609971
Futuristic racers have no staying power with casuals. They would sell well on release but have a dead playerbase overall. Wipeout and Fzero are designed for speedrunners and autists.
It's fun for a bit but once you realize how it's meant to be played you stop

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>>21610143
you are a retarded threadreader larping on 4chan
if something is far worse than 3-4 years ago is that there are more people like you

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>>21610143
>15 minutes
So you opened the stream an hour late?

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>>21610143
>5 minute shit video is better than 5 hour shit video
I mean sure, but that's not really something to be nostalgic about.
You're arguing for inches not miles.

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>>21602260
Most of weeaboo come from seanig countries gringos. The problems that the more popular the genre the more retard come in to ruin the community.


https://www.epicdope.com/top-10-countries-where-anime-is-most-popular-and-why/

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>>21610296
Doing time attacks or multi player is optional, there are still robust campaign modes that can be fun for the average person.

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>>21610393
okay my bad
>open stream
>tehe sorry guys delayed a few hours because i'm not prepared
>open stream a few hours later
>still not prepared
>10 mintues op
>20 minutes while she fumbles around
>25 minutes of her focusing on pizza while fucking around with her mic
>come back and its a big golf collab
very cool.

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>>21610601
The people still this invested in NijiEN as it currently stands are either deep into beaten wife syndrome, or they sincerely enjoy Vwhorejo adjacent twitch-style content. Either way you're talking to a brick wall.

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>>21610766
As someone that even watches vshojo content.
not even they are this oblivious.
except mouse, she's pretty oblivious but i guess her fans love that whole connor shipping stuff.

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>>21603658
Monster Hunter

[Anonymous No.]

Niji EN is still young.
The streaming style of daily collabs are actually quite typical for Vtubing groups at early stages.

Niji Gamers and SEEDs were exactly like this back in 2018 and 2019 (if you watch streams back then)

I don't think its something particularly noteworthy

[Anonymous No.]

>>21610542
You don't understand.
COD/BF have 4-10 hour campaigns, no one is paying 60 for 10 hours of content
COD/BF lives off of multiplayer.
Racers are similar in that 4-10 hour campaign, certain NFS are longer but the content is just repetitive similar side missions to pad time
Racers live off of multiplayer but have shorter lifespan

Mario kart is the exception because it's not just racing game, it's party game too meaning casuals can win therefore casuals can have fun with pros due to the existence of rng as a factor, on race is purely skill decided.

Futuristic racers fail because they require more skill than sims while not being realistic to appeal to that audience, and NFS-likes but lack the casual staying power of Mario kart.

[Anonymous No.]

I ain't reading all that shit nigga

[Anonymous No.]

<img class="xae" data-xae width="29" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/7a95728b_Gigachad.png">>words words words
Don’t care
Didn’t read

[Anonymous No.]

What a genuinely pathetic essay

[Anonymous No.]

>>21611007
Perhaps, but the problem is its not a brand new group of newbies with a new organization.
Its a new branch that can pull from the entire history of NijiJP which is one of the biggest vtuber agencies ever in every approach of the word. With lots of indies all of who have tons of experience. And Rosemi who came from a previous company.

They should not only know how to be better, they should definitely know not to do extremely stupid things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
yes you are watching too much ninijikek, how could their talents paying more attention to chat while they all gonna get replaced by new talents in a month? the fanbase are bullshit, its time to change side to holos

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601910
What's the point in LARPing like this? Ai actively fought her management and mostly lost because unch8 held way too much power specifically just so she could collab with nijisanji and explicitly nijisanji as a priority.
And on top of that the video -> streaming shift had already been happening for a solid month by that point, nijisanji was just the final nail in the coffin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
>not even a single mention of either of the two chads
>or the flood/disaster
>or the ninjas/tanuki's
>or vrc
>or any notable scene-defining streams/events like rage
i too can read various wiki posts and pretend like i know something but i'm not nearly as much of a faggot like (you)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21614558
>or vrc
I actually did add it in. It just wasn't worth making a big milestone out of because it wasn't that successful. or changed the pardime as a whole

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803

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>>21614927
>the thing that every other day ended with for half of 2018
>the fucking formative year
>not that big of a milestone

[Anonymous No.]

For the most part I agree with OP. This is the way of all things however and as it grows in popularity there are going to be subcultures that evolve around it. NIjiEn feels shit now but this type of content is only going to grow as zoomers that grow being socialized by discord will see being part of these groups as normal.
Its not all blackpill though. There will be other groups and content creators that will emerge that offer something different. People keep saying idol vtubing is dead everytime there is a yab but more likely whilst the mainstream of vtubing moves away from idol stuff there will be more corpos that emerge that a more dedicated than they even are at the moment,

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't read a single word OP <img class="xae" data-xae width="31" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/a6d16707_GoodNight.png">

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
I stopped taking most of this bitching seriously when I actually made the effort to look at 5 consecutive Pomu solo streams to see if the complaint about people invading and turning it into a collab was actually true. Lo and behold, all five streams (including free chat streams where she did nothing but interact with chat directly) remained solo streams for the entire duration. Of course I'm sure that there have been streams where other members invade, and that there are also members that do a lot of collabs, but I have to take some of this whining with a grain of salt now since I have yet see someone make something like a chart or whatever showing how many solo streams have been invaded vs. how many actually remained solo. If this was such a pressing matter wouldn't something like that be easy to produce? Either way, I think a weird amount of responsibility is being placed on NijiEN relative to the other major vtubing groups in terms of influencing the industry, if there any evidence that other vtubers are following their habits? What about Vei actively spitting on her own audience during the Sodapopping situation, to me that's way more harmful to the entire vtubing scene and encourages twitch bitch behavior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21616049
Nobody cares about your JP shit we're talking about EN in this thread nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21616325
While it is somewhat exaggerated. It happens more often than it should. Even if its 10% for people that can't watch every single stream if the 2/5 of the streams they can watch are always collabs then it feels much worse. And its not just the surprise collabs its how many collabs they have in general.

For reference this is pomu's schedule this week.
>Finana X Pomu off collab
which was the big drama this time, because surprise the finana x pomu off collab was actuall finana x pomu x random male in their hotel room. which quickly switches minor annoyance to fuck this bitch.
>phasmophobia collab
another collab right after she gets back.
>2 solo streams
>minecraft
which minecraft always means collab.

so 3/5 streams this week are collabs.
and this is pretty much the norm.

that's disregarding things like rosemi yesterday where a "I make a pizza with (you)" stream turns into "I make a pizza and play golf with friends" mid stream. which is a lot worse than "nina joins me on VC during a hades run and comments on it for a few minutes"

[Anonymous No.]

His Name Was Skeleton Doomguy. He Caused This.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617256
Even worse, the friends included the whole vshojo cast
Seems like an all out war really, but not against hololive, they are trying to normalize twitch culture on vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617507
He used the buzzword, and I clapped

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617256
>that's disregarding things like rosemi yesterday where a "I make a pizza with (you)" stream turns into "I make a pizza and play golf with friends" mid stream.
she literally said earlier in the week she was planning to join the collab and she just didn't want to make a 2nd stream since her cooking stream ran late but you'd have to watch streams instead of threads to know that

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
>Initially vtubing was high quality
lol, no it wasn't. I won't even bother reading the rest of your post after this retarded statement

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617777
Yes I watched the stream.
I clicked a stream that said "I make pizza you chat"
I get up to make dinner and come back to her in a giant vshojo collab and the stream getting renamed, with none of this said in advance unless you just happened to watch a guerilla stream she did.
Which no i did not watch every single stream she did so that I could hear 1 line in which she says she may or may not be doing a collab during a normal stream. And the expectation that I should is why streaming is garbage

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617256
I'd argue the phasmo collab shouldn't be counted as a bad thing here since it's an international collab and it's usually Petra that takes part in those rather than Pomu no? Plus it seems weird to criticize the EN branch for not interacting with the JPs that much only to then count those interactions as bad things because much too many collabs. As for the Minecraft I would like to say that Pomu has had solo Minecraft streams in the past, but yeah if it's on the weekend then chances are she'll bump into someone else.

[Anonymous No.]

Based op, vtubing will fade away in the future so strap on and enjoy the inevitable crash

https://twitter.com/Idraweroart/status/1509887663234560023

[Anonymous No.]

>>21617959
so it's her fault you didn't pay attention and your ignorance is proof of them "normalizing twitch culture" or whatever your problem is

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
TL;DR <img class="xae" data-xae width="22" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/eda6f332_cockmongler.png">

[Anonymous No.]

>>21604095
>Racing games are better
>Gran Turismo
>reviewers were given a version with more tracks and cars
>two weeks and a few hours after release, when people are no longer protected by refunds by law, microtransactions were added
>ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FIVE EUROS FOR A SINGLE FUCKING MCLAREN
>and they lowered normal event payouts to make grinding for credits longer
>NFS
>nowhere near the customisation of the older games
>and the remainder is locked out with gacha "speed cards"
>brake-to-drift when old games had an actually fun handling model
>Hot Pursuit is cool, but that's a remaster of an old game and they even managed to screw that up with missing cars
>Forza
>got boring really quickly with repeats and rehashes
>Burnout dead
>Midnight Club dead
>Automodelista dead
Just stop pretending to have played racing games at all retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618079
She led him on with a comfy pizza stream and turned it into a fuckign Vshoujo collab. She's a manipulator.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618079
2 different anons retarded fuckhead.

It shouldn't be my fault for not listening to every single second of every single stream. If she's having a collab it should be labeled in advanced, end of story. Especially a 20 person one which I will not watch because 20 person collabs are fucking terrible content.

[Anonymous No.]

There's not a single point in nijien's history without constant impromptu collabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618182
She didn't lead anyone on, she explained what was gonna happen, other livers also mentioned she'd be involved, and she was listed as a guest on the organizer's stream frame. It would make no difference if she had just streamed the pizza cooking for an hour, ended, and started the collab stream.
>>21618212
so close the stream when the cooking part is done? are you retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618294
>NOOO YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN ON AN ANONYMOUS IMAGE BOARD THIS IS A COMPLIMENT ONLY ZONE
kill yourself you dumb faggot.

it was a bad stream, a shitty collab, and her audience was baited into it considering even the rosebud thread was upset with it.
Your retarded coping mechanisms of
>b-but she said it once during a stream sometime
is more proof of you being a thread watcher than me. normal people don't hear everything in a stream, only faggots that read constant live posts in the generals keep up with every minor bullshit. I'm willing to bet you didn't even know she said that until someone said it after people were complaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21602017
<img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="26" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/adf2d2f0_EZY.png"><img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="26" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/adf2d2f0_EZY.png"><img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="26" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/adf2d2f0_EZY.png">much love

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>21618487
>NOOO YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN ON AN ANONYMOUS IMAGE BOARD THIS IS A COMPLIMENT ONLY ZONE
it goes both ways retard lmfao
stop watching rosemi i don't want to share her stream with a chimpanzee like you anyway. her audience wasn't baited into shit and if you don't like the stream turn it off and do something else

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618487
Threadwatcher malding lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618588
Yes I did stop watching her, like I stopped watching pomu now and half of NijiEN.

Because this type content is terrible.
Now go back to your cancer fujo general hugbox where you pretend anyone who complains is 1 person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618713
>Yes I did stop watching her, like I stopped watching pomu now and half of NijiEN.
ok anon you need to learn to be more subtle the pomucorn meta evolves faster than this <img class="xae" data-xae width="30" height="29" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/51cbf903_PepeLaugh.png"><img class="xae" data-xae width="30" height="29" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/51cbf903_PepeLaugh.png"><img class="xae" data-xae width="30" height="29" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/51cbf903_PepeLaugh.png">

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618789
>stop watching then
>i did
>NO YOU DIDNT
You might literally be schizophrenic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
>Initially vtubing was high quality,
Stopped reading at this lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>NijiJP and Holo lowered the quality of vtubing

How could they ruin something that never existed in the first place?

The decay was actually thanks to the chinks and unironically ironmouse and indies, she likes vtubers too damn much that she started shilling Holo to her audience which brought many twitch fags who repeat the same shit over and over again, same with indies, a good example can be some faggot repeating ''trans rights'' on coco's stream until she shut the troon up.

[Anonymous No.]

>NOOOOOposting

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618487
>>21618713

dude... nobody cares.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618910
>''dude.... nobody cares''
>cares enough to reply
NTA but you are as retarded as him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618910
Look at you, you come onto a board for a hobby and don't give a shit about any of it.
You're so cool bro.
I'm in admiration of how little you care about anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
<img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="26" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/adf2d2f0_EZY.png"><span class="xae" data-xae="zzz">💤</span>

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
Shitposting bait aside, it is interesting how nowadays vtubing is completely synonymous with streaming, when the person who popularized the term was mostly known for creating traditional videos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619035
<img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/8ea2d160_peepoClown.png">

[Anonymous No.]

>V-Vtubers were never good!
Classic nijinigger cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
tldr

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
Membership streams most of the time is pretty personal tho. Idk maybe join membership if you want to feel connection with the vtuber you watch?

Though I don't really advice to be emotionally attached to them lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619060
Streaming and podcasts outpaced edited videos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21603625
Small corpos are underrated

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619140
Unless you're a dragoon, then you're fucked even in member streams lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619188
Sadly the west is too caught up in tribalism to appreciate how many options we have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619188
I somewhat like them but the biggest problem I have with small corpos is they're too ingrained in their audience.

I like the somewhat detachment of larger corpos where they don't really communicate with people by name.
Its really off putting when you're not someone who posts constantly in discord, so you go into streams and the streamer is calling people out by name and talking about shit she was doing with her fans on discord, and you're just completely left out of it all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619437
They have to up their chat interaction to an insanely high level to farm oil barons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
tl;dr
take your meds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
I agree with this except for one thing:
>about to

No, it's already happening. What you're describing is already present, it's a frog in boiling water scenario for NijiEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619641
Sure it might be out of necessity, but if I'm not trying to groom them then I'm not their audience. And that's extremely off putting.

I mean obviously not all of them are like that, Shiki was generally pretty good. But typically its the bigger ones that have moved on from that already, at which point they're no different than niji/holo so the point disappears.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619783
Shiki is cool but I caught a stream she did the other day where one of her irl relatives died she just sort of streamed so she could talk to chat and they could he'll her cope or something. I dunno if that's something you'd see a Holo or Niji do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21602026
>Mito and deron crash EVERY run stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>21616415
>OP starts thread talking about JP stuff that he wasn't around for and knows nothing about
>Thread devolves into video games and EN stuff that newfags still somehow don't know anything about
I dunno if anyone's talking about anything in here, really

[Anonymous No.]

This entire thread is so fucking boomer it bought my house and had a meltdown about masks live on facebook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621861
>talking about how the scene has changed over the past like.. 2 years
>boomer
<img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/a6955123_yaranaika.png">

[Anonymous No.]

>>21606107
EN and ID are planning to make prepared content I think, they have been looking for director and screenwriters for a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
vtubing was never high quality. it's always been bottom of the barrel content, and it continues to be that way

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623080
Nipplebitch <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="31" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/4dfb5c71_COPIUM.png">

[Anonymous No.]

>>21623207
nautilus is my oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>21602289
>what NijiJP was used to be known for.
There's a reason why NijiJP decided to stop doing that. Seems like EN can't learn from mistakes of their senpais.

[Anonymous No.]

Streaming is by far the worst content. At least in the old days they tried to be funny.

Vsingers are the last bastion of talent.

[Anonymous No.]

HoloEN is the soul and heart of english vtubing, they are a mix of high production standards, creativity and passion.
As long as we have HoloMyth vtubing is in good hands.

[Anonymous No.]

I fucking hate how disorganized NijiEN is. Members randomly join other streams, surprise collabs and other bullshit are normalized there.
It's like their only gimmick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803 <img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="28" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/25908e08_PepeLmao.png"><img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="28" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/25908e08_PepeLmao.png"> blog post

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
Congratulations on writing up and sharing your actual opinion anon. Better than all the schizoposts this board gets, yet people will complain about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>golden age
>high quality
>Let's Plays and skits

what the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
>Holofag wrote all this after the string of kino streams yesterday none of which he could even understand
I pity you EOPs you're literally frogs in a well and don't even know what you're missing out on

[Anonymous No.]

>>21628657
<span class="xae" data-xae="clown">🤡</span><span class="xae" data-xae="clown">🤡</span><span class="xae" data-xae="clown">🤡</span>

[Anonymous No.]

>>21604095
>Platformers are better.
Platformers are kinda the same place, there's a reason why the people that love that genre are into retro games. Damn some nes games go strong as fuck.
>Shooters are better (modern doom > Old doom. Csgo > cs 1.6. Battlefield do suck though. R6siege is better than older games)
So why are boomer shooters so popular? Doom eternal is awesome but the original is fucking great and has a strong modding scene, go play ashes 2063 and ashes afterglow and golden souls 2, and 3 is being made
>RPGs are better with better graphics and characters.
This one is true but after hitting the psx they had a great leap in quality and now they are in the dumpster more than ever. Beside ff, xenoblade and atlus there isn't much with high quality, they always fall in the AA quality and looks sub standard.

[Anonymous No.]

I only watch vtubers for the kino zatsudans

[Anonymous No.]

>>21605167
When is La creatividad going to have an actual original idea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
>Gone are the days of high quality produced videos

You cannot blame nijiEN for that wtf. Hololive was around a year before them

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619060
Because Kizuna's team was running out of ideas in like 2020 lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>21628992
NTA, but Boomer shooters have traction now BECAUSE of Doom 2016 (and then Eternal) bringing that style of FPS gameplay back into the public appeal, which in turn sparked more interest in the (at the time) budding indie scene that was beginning to grow interest in development within the subgenre. Throw in wildly accessible dev tools, generally low hardware requirements for good visuals (in an era where it's harder to get a strong PC), some old devs looking to reprise their glory days and/or pass on the tricks of the old trade, and you have an easy recipe for a booming subgenre.

I disagree with the "new = better" argument on face value, but what I think anon's trying to argue is that with new tech and the fact that there's a massive industry dedicated to making games, new shit SHOULD be higher quality than what came before. That's just sense...until you realize that "industry" is a double-edged sword. Like all things that become mass-produced, there is a distinct difference between "a bunch of people doing something for passion that they would like to get a profit from if they can" and "400+ people running what is effectively an assembly line to produce Product".

[Anonymous No.]

Just came here to say I think Pomu is very cute and I'm enjoying her MGS playthroughs <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/c72e8e84_Tuturu.png">

[Anonymous No.]

>>21621861
This is a post that I could read on Twitter or Reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
OP is a faggot clipwatcher who never opens a zatsudan or solo gaming stream. Understood, opinion dismissed

[Anonymous No.]

>>21618910

[Anonymous No.]

>he thinks vtubers are any different to normie streamers

what is wrong with you people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21633687
>He thinks they're the same
Nijisanji and its identity of "normal streamers but anime" really killed vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>21607345
>BOTW didn't feel like a zelda game.
I think it did. It took place in Hyrule and had the same holy elf guy vs pig satan story as the rest of the games. The combat didn't even really feel too divorced from the previous games even with the weapon durability. And you'll hate this, but I think the entire world design was basically like one large dungeon in that one. I agree that they can and should improve on the shrines and Divine Beasts for the sequel though
This notion that a new entry in a franchise of games has to arbitrarily have the same exact mechanics as the last one is how you get shit like Assassin's Creed. Zelda 2 was good by the way

[Anonymous No.]

>>21633739
it was always the same and thinking different is cope. Next you'll tell me it's different when they are japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
Gaming streams are better than edited videos. I never liked edited vids and never will. Game streams good. Edited vids bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
I agree. As time goes on, I'm starting to hate more and more vtubers, even those who I used to like. I could even tolerate boring streams sometimes, but It's like they can't stop themselves from at least not doing stupid stuff that ruins them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
NijiEN's idea of constant collabs didn't come form NijiJP, Mito as an example collabs once a year and most stream she spends talking to chat because it's what most normal people want. They watch streams to be entertained and to be parasocial, not to be some weird friendcuck who is completely ignored
NijIEN took it's constant collab culture from NijiID
You know...that highly successful branch that isn't about to be dissolved...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
Why is Mito one rung up because of chat interaction, but NijiEN does superchat readings while she doesn't? I don't care if Mito does other stuff, that isn't in the comparison.
Literally 3 days of offline collabs broke you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
I agree. I believe that vtubing is becoming shallow and pedantic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
Mito, along with the rest of the first Niji wave, popularized L2D only, not streaming. Sora made streaming her main focal point months before Mito's debut and Ai herself had started streaming like six months before Sora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21634696
Sora was also a 2view at that time

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
kek nijisanji was low-effort gaming from start, retard, la creatividad streams were exceptions, even for mito.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21635148
She was just the first example of a pre-Mito vtuber who focused on streaming I could think of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21633921
why would anyone in the ENsphere bother with chat when you look at the absolute state of it, its just seanigs and sjwlgbt virtue signaling

[Anonymous No.]

>>21633805
It wasn't always the same because it wasn't always streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21637461
They don't really need to read every post in chat. But they more they interact with it the better quality it is. Emote spams and other dumb shit only happens because they're doing shit like playing games and everyone knows they're not getting read anyways. Once a streamer slows down and starts talking to chat it immediately because 100x better

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
he do be spitting facts doe <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/57b01648_nepSmug.png">

[Anonymous No.]

>>21604095
>Racing games are better.
Last fun racing game was NFS ProStreet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21638128
Japan world cup is objectively the best racing game ever made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21619188
Well yeah that's why they're small.

[Anonymous No.]

I just wish himehina had more singing focused videos. I feel like it's taken a back seat as they release albums and their YouTube is almost exclusively skits.

But the skits are at least better than 99% of all other vtubing content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
Tldr? Not reading all that shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>21642648
tldr vtubing has evolved to milk as much cash from the audience for as lottle effort as possible, turning it from a highly specialised niche into lowest common denominator garbage

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
B-but kayfabe is cringe <span class="xae" data-xae="shock">😱</span>

[Anonymous No.]

Based and correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
come home nijifag, you can still be saved

[Anonymous No.]

>>21606538
> there are no good new games <img class="xae" data-xae width="27" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/03d18964_AngryWojak.png">
> "there are, here's a few of them" <img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="27" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/08b66b75_FeelsOkayMan.png">
> [buzzword] bad, not gonna bother <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/24edafcc_wojakNPC.png">

[Anonymous No.]

>>21601803
>Gone are the days of high quality produced videos

Yeah, like broadcasting reddit memes to 40,000+ people every other week right? But seriously if NijiEN isn't your cup of tea you don't have to watch it, NijiEN isn't "big" enough to influence the over all vtubersphere or at least that's what the schizos here say, so I don't see what the big deal is, nothing is stopping you from watching indies where you don't have to deal with all this

[Anonymous No.]

>>21610766
they got fucked hard because no one in the west even knew what Nijisanji was before NijiEN.
The first three waves were all-girls and people were fine and even expecting males to debut and collab with all of them.
Problem is, no one expected that the entirety of the girls' content would start to revolve around the boys, leaving their core audience looking like 3rd wheels...
At least they seem to be slowly leaving, although the most far-gone folks have become completely bitter about literally everything in the hobby <img class="xae" data-xae width="30" height="29" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/59b6bba6_FeelsBadMan.png">

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>>21619060
There's a ton of holos still making that type of content though : Polden, Holo official minigames, Laplus compilations etc.
And of course, there's always Azumalim

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>>21601803
That's a lot of text to say "I'm butthurt my beloved Pomu got fucked by an experimenting gay twink"

You even used a picture of her you unsubtle retard

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>>21646810
No I hate this meme.
Plenty of us knew about JP, the way JP handles things is very different than how the EN side handles things.

If I watch Ngo I can basically always expect it to just be ngo being cute by herself. If I watch Toko it'll either be a zatsudan, karaoke, or maybe the occasional sanbaka collab. If I tune into a solo stream, it'll be solo 99.9% of the time.
Maybe once upon a time when nobody here watched (don't bullshit us) JK gumi would do surprise drop ins, but even looking at Mito's youtube history the oldest streams are almost exclusively solo.
And there was definitely never a Mito x Kaede sleepover in a hotel that gets crashed by kenmochi out of the blue.

What was expected, even if they did copy the JP branch (which wasnt expected) wasn't what we got.

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>>21647116
>Plenty of us knew about JP
Most NijiEN fans couldn't even name 5 JP members roru, do they even know who Ngo, Ako or Ago are?

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>>21647116
I worded it like absolute dogshit so my first sentence kinda ended up conveying the opposite of what the rest of my post did... <img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="31" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/6ec0dd2c_pepoRope.png">
What I meant was, the original NijiJP fans knew and expected male collabs, but thought it would work like NijiJP - with dedicated collab/totsu streams (with males as well) and completely separate solo streams.

Problem was, I think a significant portion of the original NijiEN fans - and pretty much EVERY new fan that came with Luxiem - had no such expectations, and so welcomed the new "OTV-style" content that they got unquestioningly.
Old Nijifags like yourselves were drowned out by the newer fans who were the majority, and so this became the new style of NijiEN with the NijiJP-adjacent audience being unable to do anything about it.

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>>21647507
Ah fair then.
I'm used to the /nijien/ claims that this is exactly what the JP branch does/did.

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It was already pointed out in this thread that this issue is being greatly exaggerated by threadwatchers and yet people will still say shit like the girls are becoming accessories to the guys and revolving their content around them and expect everyone else to take them seriously.

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>>21647578
Just wait until they get the ID branch treatment and the JPs begin to ignore them.

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>>21647659
Like everything of course dramatards and thread readers will pick things up and exaggerate them, but there's a reason it was said in the first place and there's almost always a core of truth.

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>>21647507
Except shortly after debut, NijiEN said they wanted NijiEN to be styled more after NijiID, not NijiJP.

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>>21648321
Like 10 people have watched nijiID

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>>21647722
JPs don't pay much attention to EN in the first place

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genuinely hard agree

nijien reminds me of those faggy cliquey gamer house streamers like offline TV and whatever the fuck mizkif's group is. the whole appeal of these things is to make the audience think "damn i wish i was their friend that looks so fun"

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>>21646389
I did during the last Fes. Don’t you dare betray me, Tanigo.

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why does every thread with pomu in the OP get hundreds of replies? also people actually read all that?

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>>21647578
The problem I have myself is that so many people believe the claims about JP. Hell, I even see it from people who know better. I know an old time nijinigger who is fluent in japanese and was watching from the start. The only difference between him and the newfags here is that he doesn't outright use the word holobrony. I see him say shit about how you should watch hololive if you want anything approaching idols and that nijisanji isn't the place for that. As if none of them keep to themselves, or mostly stay in their male or female circles, or release songs and covers and have concerts. This is a man who should know better than to even think this blatantly false bullshit, but somehow he doesn't know any better. He reads something someone else types and believes it for no good reason. It confuses me and left me wondering if the retards that post on this board actually BELIEVE the things they peddle and aren't just trolling.

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>>21647722
I mean... if even Utako is getting filtered by them...
yeah she wasn't BLUNT about it, but from the way she said it, it was pretty obvious

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>>21648321
where? some random mention in one stream long back, or consistent messaging across multiple streams?
JPfags were surprised about it so I'm pretty sure they didn't really push that message a lot.

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>>21649625
source?
>>21649702
also this.
i think elira wanted to, but people like Petra clearly wanted the JP side of things.

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>>21649820
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWDBPqQHCAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXAKvIMwoxQ

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>>21649897
That doesn't sound like she's that filtered.

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>>21650304
Stop taking your meds and listen to it again

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>>21601803
>Initially vtubing was high quality,
/feh/ here
(lol

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>>21651454
>they're saying things that make me happy
>I'm smiling so much
>definitely go watch them
>i guess its okay for foreigners to just talk like that
that's not being filtered.

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>>21607262
I kinda agree, kinda. Vtubing felt different from your regular Twitch stream but now that line is quite blurred, at least on the western side.

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>>21651509
>(lol
Did you come up with that one yourself, or did you need PhoenixMaster1's help?

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>>21651817
Post thrones and crowns.

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>>21651959
Your spells have no power here, witch.

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>Thread tl;dr - Some people are mad because they wanted anime crossovers but instead they got to be the guy in "my feet hurt" meme.
Did I get it right?

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>Nijisanji introducing low effort streams into vtubing
>Hololive introducing GFE into vtubing
>Both fanbases are rabid and cult like
Vtubing has still not recovered and I doubt it ever will. The good days are over

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>>21653654
If only we gatekept the 2Dtards out...

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Mucho texto :troll:

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i know i'm an outlier, but i'm also a crossboarder, so that's fine with me. if i wanted to watch something scripted i'd go watch actual real human programming or anime. i've never been into watching livestreamers, i don't use twitch or tiktok, and i've only just started watching nijien recently. the content is fun and good background noise. it doesn't have to be any deeper than that, and the depths into which some people are projecting are genuinely unfathomable to me. is it that hard to just watch the content you like and avoid the content you don't?

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>>21657232
All content gradually gets effected because corpos only do what cheapest and most effective.

Kizuna sold herself to a specific niche and was unique in that regard. But as companies got greedy it wasn't enough to have the niche, they had to sell to everyone. Which is why we have nijisanji and hololive dominating appealing to literal twitch retards.

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I think its just an unfortunate fact that mature and intelligent vtubing fans that enjoy content from Kizuna AI and HimeHina are just relics of the past.
Vtubing is for zoomers now and unless you're copying OTV and other twitchfags you're going to be left behind.

I feel for the oldfags I really do, it feels like every hobby gets invaded and the mature and intellectual old fans who were with it from the start are slowly pushed out in favor of appealing to a group of people who will leave within 2 years.

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I'm calling it. End of this year or sooner Nijisanji is going to go full "Big Brother tv show" and put them all in the same place interacting with each other and never reading or interacting with viewers in any shape or form. Niji is slowly becominf the MTV of vtubing.

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>>21603625
>Commiefornia
>Commiefornia
>Canada
>>21619188
>>21619338
Take your meds

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>>21657959
The threads are already starting to feel that way with people talking about who's in love with who and doing dumb het ships. The talents don't even try to hide who they're trying to fuck either and its just so shitty to watch.

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I want low quality ready to consume streams
that I can even treat as a podcast instead of kizuna Ai skits

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>>21657232
people didn't support to get cucked and manipulated

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Dunno about you OP, but I love Pomu

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>>21660326
nipplekeks everyone

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>>21605127
Why is Tsukino Mito accredited to the move to L2D and not Anycolor?

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>>21660753
She was the main one that made it popular, the others at the time were just additions to Mito.

As opposed to something like hololive where it was really more a mix of Fubuki, Miko, and Korone all happening to hit mainstream at the same time.

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>>21601803
/lig/ma balls

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Nijien really is an unbearable trashheap

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>>21601803
Pomu, Rosemi and Petra don't deserve to be in NijiEN. Can't someone save them?

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>>21667488
>Pomu introduces a male into a hotel off-collab
>Rosemi turns a pizza stream into a vshojo collab
No they can suffer.

Petra deserves better though, she can join nijiJP

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True

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>>21601803
KEKW Stay mad

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>>21667488

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>>21601803
Funny. I was talking almost about this exact same topic yesterday on /asp/. That crafted video content was left to rot in the wayside whilst 2view streamers shat up the genre. Only response was getting told nobody watches video content anymore which is just fucking stupid in my opinion. I'm one of the very first vtubers to create a game review style video because i fully expected this genre to break wide open with possibilities. A year later and fucking nothing is happening besides the occasional sing-along stream or meme video. It hurt yesterday and still does now.

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>>21676703
Damn you sound salty

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>>21676703
I think it only really works with 3D vtubers, an L2D vtuber doesn't really work because what's the point of having the avatar on a prerecorded video.

What would work is something that youtubers have been doing for years, and that's just using an avatar and drawing it in various poses and animations. Its a lot more work to do so though, and the line between avatar vs vtubing gets blurred even further.
I was thinking of doing something like that though, where I draw out scenes for reviews. But animating would too much work and I don't want to use that weird ass shape animation thing people are doing nowdays. So it'd be a slide show type deal.

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>Myth's most popular vtuber is Gura, a loli
>HoloX's most popular vtuber is La+. a loli
>ID gen 3's most popular vtuber is kobo, a loli and sounds like a loli too
I do agree anon, i think Hololive has cracked the formula and is gonna go down this pedo-pandering path until the show's over

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>>21601803
>/vt/ard has it all figured out
Oh boy. Didn't read your blog. Kys.

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>>21676703
Get dunked on.

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>slow decay
>Started in 2019
>at its zenith in 2022

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take me back

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>>21601803
vtubing is shit because instead of girls with unique personalities and a structured format, it became twitch thots with avatars.

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>>21601803
:xqcL:

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plenty of creative VTubers are out there, like Azumalim.
But you'll need to actually do your reps to understand them.
Westoids are creatively bankrupt so obviously if you only watch them, you will only feel that everything is reclining.

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>>21677216
100%. Just VRChat acting out a scene or plain old Blender animation can absolutely work and only properly does in a 3D environment. 2D vtubers are heavily restricted to their Live2D model or whatever Adobe Flash animation they can pull out of their ass. That being said, it's not impossible like some of these crabs lead you to believe.
As someone who 'has' 3D animated their model, import a vroid model into Blender using CATS and I swear from there it's the easiest shit imaginable. Might be a solution if you don't want "slideshow" type stuff like you said.

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>>21688181
I just find vrchat type models to be pretty ugly. It can work but there's no soul to it.

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>>21678805
>massive cunny-pandering filters out all the normalfags
Sounds based to me. As a hag BVLL, if the cunnychads filter out the normoniggers away from the hobby, my hags' streams get that much comfier. I have and will continue to believe strongly in the power of loli as an immune system against normalfags and their cancer.

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>>21689280
Ones that are like "She's a vampire dommy mommy with 9 thousans different body accessories and facial piercings and tattoos and and and-" are fucking disgusting.
What do you think about these ones in particular? I feel like they try to break the mold of typical template-shit while appealing more to 2D elements. Curious to hear some thoughts.
https://booth.pm/en/items/2040691
https://booth.pm/en/items/3714672
https://booth.pm/en/items/3046185 (NSFW)
https://booth.pm/en/items/3315336