/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Haachama will die.

But her soul will choose to go back in time, to the time when she was happiest, and she will be in August 2020.

Amelia, who loves Haachama, will want to be with her too and want to be in a time when Haachama'd love her, but since she has lost her memory she'll go back in time before EN has debuted, and become Hololive Gen 0.

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>>2146158
MTG Set Editor has the new cardframes anon.
Also these cards suck dick.
Also magic the gathering is gay now.

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>>2146377
true
true
and true

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>>2146377
>MTG is gay now
Why? I'm only just getting into it. Seems fun

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>>2149075
its both literally gay because they are inserting more LGBBBQT++* characters and lore and it's metahporically gay because the design space of RnD has been to just push a mythics then design hate for the mythics in the next set if they don't get banned because the meta warps around one single card that they would have caught if they beta-tested for a single hour. Also the movement to more efficient creatures has been quite sad for players who prefer spell slinging playstyles and hurts colors like Blue and White.

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>>2149075
magic is fun he's just a nigger who gets offended by printed cardboard

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>>2149147
Fuck you, I was here before a mythic was thing. There have been many things that have made me dropped this game over the years. Expansion into more shitty specialty product instead of fixing the game, merchant-level reprints of literal staples making it impossible to properly play anything that isn't Standard or Commander and fucking this joke of a standard format in the past few years got me to drop that format. Soon enough commander will be unbearable now that WOTC decides to pander to it with every fucking product. I wouldn't be surprised if a Standard Masters series would get a new Commander Only fucking card at this point.
The fact that the number of bans in Standard between 1995-2016 was like 11 compared to the 21 since 2017 should tell you enough about where the fucking priorities of WOTC have been you shitbrain.

[Anonymous No.]

We keep having similar threads so I need to ask. Are there any game theory anons willing to work on a holo game?

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>>2149075
pandering to trannies and niggers

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>>2149075
It used to be good. Now it's shit. Stick to EDH and you'll be mostly fine

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>>2146377
Yu-Gi-Oh saikoooooooou!
Cover corp give me Duelist chuuba already! aaaaaaarggghhh!!

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>>2151767
EDH? What's that?

[Anonymous No.]

They've been including more minorities and LGBT characters in card art but that doesn't exactly preclude them including white characters either. We still get traditionally attractive white females like Serra and Rowan for every Kaya and Samut. At least they thematically try fitting the character to the plane they exist in like Huatli being in the Aztec themed set, or Samut in the Egypt themed set, etc. Most media that try to incorporate minorities for the sake of diversity do so with a lot less nuance.

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>>2152723
Commander, it's what Commander used to be called before WoTC legitimized it as a format. >>2149382
If your insinuating that everything WoTC does is solely driven by greed, you're kind of ignoring the fact that the launch of MTGA makes it cheaper than ever to play standard.

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>>2151891
>mfw Reine banishes me to the Watermelon Realm

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>>2152887
MTGA is designed to make for two things.
1.) It removes the secondary market. Every single MTGA funbux spent is directly Hasbro/WOTC unlike MTGO where free trading exists and tickets are their own proto-crypto/currency and an individual could actually make money out of their cards.
2.)It captures the faggots who would never play Standard or MTG to begin with (or would have payed for it). The people who would never pay for cardboard but would rather play a video game for 2-3 hours just to earn a pack or two.
If you want to play MTG for free, Cockatrice and just kitchen table has existed for far longer than MTGA.

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>>2146158
Why do you want Haacham to die.

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There's a lot of fun design space with vtubers, I must admit.

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>>2161049
Well done, I would play with these. They are all interesting but not really broken. Calli would get so much hate in my table lmao.

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>>2159975
Who doesn’t?

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>>2161049
I like the look of these already.

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>>2161049
Could explain the lore ideas behind some of these? Ina and Kiara don't make that much sense to me.

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>>2156964
>1.) It removes the secondary market.
The paper secondary market still exists. Obviously MTGA doesn't have one itself because you can actually accumulate a collection while being F2P unlike MTGO which mirrors real world pricing if you're buying sealed product. Even if you just look at standard, the average price of decks was declining even before the pandemic despite having relatively more cards that hold value in eternal formats. Combined with the fact that MTGA provides a completely free, (if not ideal) option, it's never been cheaper in the last decade to play standard.

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>>2169842
Not them, but for Ina I can roughly guess:
>Devoid is the keyword for Colored Eldrazi, aka the Cthulhu expies
Captures the idea that Ina isn't fully Eldritch but has their influence somehow.
>one of the ways changing the Color of spells/mana is flavored is as art/painting
She's an artist and her art is the spells you're casting.
>using her second ability creates Eldrazi Scions, the weakest form of Eldrazi
Making art attracts Takodachi.

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>>2169842
>Calli
She puts age counters on creatures, then kills them after a while. Like she mentions in one of her songs, if you struggle against your fate, death will be more brutal, so if you remove Calli, she instantly kills the creatures marked for death.

>Gura
Combat based, eats things, gets bigger. Simple as.

>Ina
Callback to cards like Painter's Servant and Chromatic Lantern, reflecting both Ina as a painter and the movie Color out of Space that she watched. She rewards you for casting certain types of spells with tokens, like attracting fans with her artwork.

Something to note is that Ina can very easily enable powerful combos, due to the Scions refunding 1 mana per spell cast. Out of all of these, Ina is the most competitive probably.

>Kiara
She's German, so she steals your land.

>Watson
Watson is a sore loser. But she's also a detective. If you kill a creature or counter a spell, she'll investigate and find a clue. But since she's so mad and so ineffective, instead of using those clues to solve a mystery, she'll just throw them in your face.

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>>2161049
>>2161312
Isn't kiara a little broken if you have a sacrifice engine? at the endgame, once you hit 8 mana, strip mining and drawing 2 every turn seems like a good way to end a game fast, plus whatever benefit you get from sac'ing her. If you can do it at instant speed, you could even attack and force a block.

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>>2177740
9 Mana for a strip mine/draw 2 every turn that also demands a sac outlet isn't very good. Kiara's ability can be activated any number of times from the graveyard, so I imagine she'd be better as some sort of weird Rishadan port.

In terms of power level it definitely feels like Ina is strongest, followed by Mori.

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>>2177740
>8 mana
Isn't it 9? You take control of their land but they can just tap it in response.

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>>2177929
>>2177960
Today I learned I can't count

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>>2177929
Arithmetic errors aside, taking a second look at it, I would think mori would be by far the strongest, assuming you have some way to reliably flicker. Ina seems incredibly fragile, and I just don't see how she wins you the game, and if your strategy relies on her to cast things you shouldn't be able to, any source of targeted damage means you can't cast half your hand anymore.

I haven't played seriously in about 5 years, so maybe the meta is completely different now and I'm overlooking something.

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>>2178124
Picrel are only a few flicker effects on those colors afaik.
>and if your strategy relies on her to cast things you shouldn't be able to,
Ina is great in EDH where you won't even have cards in your hand that you cannot cast because of her color identity (which is Gruul, because EDH color identity is determined prior to the game start and thus prior to the keyword Devoid). She's too slow for Standard and Limited is a durdle fight where anything goes anyway

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>>2178685
Ina seems like she'd find a home in older formats, where generating mana means a lot

>Ina
>name blue
>Ponder
>make a scion
>Sac it for U
>brainstorm
>Make a scion
>sac it for U
>preordain... etc etc
>tendrils/grapeshot/thassa's oracle

It's just a mana engine for things like storm.

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>>2161049
These are all shit, except Watson

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>>2183347
Watson looks like a Izzet rare from GRN. Of course, that probably just speaks to the pushed nature of standard these days. I like the design of the others, interesting and flavorful.
>>2178823
I'm not the greatest modern player but 4 years ago I used to play UR Gifts Storm and I think Ina is a little slow for it personally, not sure how Storm is nowadays tho.

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>>2149382
the cardboard can't hurt you bro just like put it in a box or something lol

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>>2149382
>21 [bans] since 2017
Christ, I'm so glad I got out when I did.

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>>2183799
>I like the design of the others, interesting and flavorful.
Honestly, I don't. If I had more fanart I'd make these custom card myself, but I'll just post some text later.

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>>2146158
>Amelia card
>no investigate

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>>2186394
nvm, here we go

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Yay, a /mtg/vt/ thread!

[Anonymous No.]

Here is my take on Haachama/Haato

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>>2189697
That's a good card. Good design, good power level, though I think she should be pure 4RRR, or 4RB. I'm not a fan of hybrid mana in the cmc of a legendary creature

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>>2189813
This one is good too.

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>>2189843
I like her as an hybrid because of the duality of her persona as either a very greedy person, or a very passionate vtuber. Coco is someone who draws a lot of haters, but also a lot of gachikois. So, it's kinda fiting to be a hybrid card. Also, I wanted her aspect as a "Greedy Dragon" to show on the card too.

[Anonymous No.]

Everything in this thread is either unplayable jank, uses unusable templating, and/or uses the worst art you can imagine for a cardgame format.

Also, a Hololive cardgame would be a Dominion clone but with waifus like Tanto Cuore.

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>>2190009
>worst art you can imagine for a cardgame format
I don't even bother with the art, because I don't care. I only care about text and flavor.
>>2189967
Hybrid mana in legendary creatures is not good. If you want to demonstrate a r and b feel, you should have it strictly RB. Legendary creatures shouldn't have hybrid mana. You don't want legendary creatures to be easy to cast

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>>2190170
All you have to do is to avoid shit plain single color backgrounds. Better art is better, but avoiding white void cards is basic fucking courtesy to the people you want to share the cards with.

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>>2190271
I also don't have a lot of hololive images that aren't memes. This any better?

[Anonymous No.]

>put Ame in my Scooby Doo deck
>Fred+Velma infinite Clue generator
>counters your entire deck
noting personnel.

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>>2190678
>free uncounterable counterspells/stiffle
FUCK. OFF.

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>>2190678
The way this is templated, she'd die as she entered the battlefield if you don't control any clues. Probably best to at least give her one base toughness.

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>>2190732
If you counter too much, she dies. So I guess it's fine.

[Anonymous No.]

There's probably a better way to do this. But I want to create an Okayu card by focusing on her charisma.

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>>2190785
WH-- IT'S NOT MY FAULT
IT'S THE PING
WHY DIDN'T I INVESTIGATE
I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A CLUE
MY CARDS ARE LAGGING
>>2190732
just don't let the Amelia player keep more than 2 clues

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>>2190785
Yeah, I think it needs to be an "as" text instead of an ETB
>>2190786
>>2190954
Add, "legendary creature" instead of "Legendary permanent"
And make it a tap ability at the very least. for reference. The only other counterspoell legendary creature is Ertai, and your design is easily more broken and powerful than it.

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>>2177646
Ohh, thats really cool. If you had any doubts about posting more like this, let me tell you, those darts should be gone!

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>>2178685
Nah what about the Theros one, Filixer of fate?

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>>2190851
She should cost 1 more generic. Otherwise it looks good, excluding the templating on the ability.
I think it could be better written as, "Whenever ~ deals combat damage to a player, gain control of target creature that player controls"

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>>2190732
This is better, right?

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>>2191190
I don't know why I made it as a activated ability. Maybe I had another idea before finishing it. Anyway, here's the final version. Now with Partner with Korone because OkaKoro is nice.

[Anonymous No.]

I just want to say, if you want to make custom cards, don't use Cardsmith. I personally use Magic Set Editor but if you don't have access to Windows or just want something that's easier to use then you can use MTG.design. Cardsmith cards look like ass and it has paid features that are free on the other card makers.

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The nice thing about streamers is that because they do so much, they fill you with lots of ideas of what to do with them. Silver bordered is even more fun.

>>2190996
Thanks, I like the idea that if Haato enters the battlefield and there's no where around, she self-destructs, since her ability forces a mandatory target, and she can only target herself. Just like how she self-destructed when she was all alone going crazy in Australia.

>>2190009
A Hololive cardgame would probably be more like Pokemon, I envision something more akin to using Vtubers to gain subscribers, and instead of a combat phase, having like a "Streaming phase", and instead of trying to get life totals down everyone is trying to hit 1 million subs. Removal is re-themed as graduation.

>>2191566
I don't like this, usually Partner with cards have specific synergies around their partnership. This doesn't, not really.

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>>2191566
This is pretty good, but with korone
>Should be a rare
>Tap ability should cost 1R
>Target player or planeswalker
I don't think sac a creature to untap is a good ability to tack on. I get how the synergy is supposed to work, but maybe instead add that as a cost to the tap ability.

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>>2191656
Duly noted, thanks.
Also, it should read
>"Friends can't attack you or planeswalkers you control"

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>>2191670
The synergy is Okayu "sweet-taking" creatures into your side, while Korone sacrifices them afterwards. I kinda want them to be a duo focused on "stealing, then sacrificing".
The pinger ability on Korone is an afterthought, I'll admit it. It just makes sense if she's a gunslinger.
>>2191752
I've forgot about Korone's rarity, thanks.
I want Korone to be able to "shoot anything" and being able to untap, as it is flavorful as a gunslinger, tho.

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>>2191846
Then it should be the other way around. While Red, blue, and black all get steal effects, usually sacrifice creature effects are more Black based, while temporary stealing is in Red. It makes more sense for Korone to steal, and Okayu to sac. Not to mention that Okayu is just kind of busted.

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>>2191670
>Partner with cards have specific synergies around their partnership
Cat nabs creatures for the Dog to yeet
>>2191846
Being able to untap is strong, but having it as a sac outlet is asking for trouble.
If you want her to untap have it,
>R, Sac a creature, Tap: Korone deals damage equal to her power to target creature or planeswalker.

>Whenever a creature you control dies, untap Korone

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>>2189697
Auto include in an Ur-Dragon deck. 5 for a 5/5 flyer that pays for itself if it connects. Not to mention that treasures give you great flexibility in a WUBRG deck.
>>2190170
Bro we have over 300 legendary creatures creatures that are 3cmc or less, and we literally just got a 0 cost legendary.

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>>2191988
>WotC are shit and ruining the game
>In other news water is wet
I don't think the current development team is something anyone should model their game design philosophy around. Them, breaking ground is not ever in the good way. Especially when there are 8 banned cards in standard right now

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>>2191670
A Hololive cardgame would probably be more like Pokemon, I envision something more akin to using Vtubers to gain subscribers, and instead of a combat phase, having like a "Streaming phase", and instead of trying to get life totals down everyone is trying to hit 1 million subs. Removal is re-themed as graduation.

That would be more of a Euro style boardgame than a cardgame. Too many moving parts to work with just a deck.

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>>2191905
>It makes more sense for Korone to steal, and Okayu to sac. Not to mention that Okayu is just kind of busted.
I don't know, man. For me, Okayu is the charismatic one, while Korone is the trigger happy one. That's why I made them like this.
About Okayu, she might be kinda busted, but she is very easy to counter. You just need a 1/1.
>>2191952
Yeah, I agree that a untap sac outlet might be too dangerous. (Which is flavorful considering Korone is kinda insane.)
I'll use your templating, thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

I'm so sorry.

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>>2189371
>squid
faggot...

[Anonymous No.]

Card thread?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm so so sorry.

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>>2161049
Nice Watson card, I think an Investigate / Clue is an obvious effect for her, but I tried including a "time travel" ability for her too

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>>2192240
I feel like a Hololive cardgame would use colors to denote playstyles based on different kinds of stream.

Red: Gaming (Aggro)
Blue: Zatsudan (Stall/Mill)
Black: ASMR (Burn)
Green: Art/Drawing/Creative (Swarm)
White: Karaoke/Singing (Control)
Purple: Lore stream (Gimmicks like resurrection, monster stealing)

Thus different holos would have different playstyles themed on their actual strengths (Korone cards are red Unga Bunga cards, Marine cards are either blue or green and all about swarming the field and stalling to force a deck out, Ame cards would form a red/purple hybrid that steals cards she destroys)

[Anonymous No.]

Kinda uninspired, but I want her to be a monoU voltron.

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>>2193528
Actually sounds pretty neat.
>Ame is Red/Purple
>Gura is White/Black
>Mori is Red/White
>Ina is Blue/Green
>Kiara is Purple, gimmick is stealing and board wipes

[Anonymous No.]

>>2193662
>Mori
>Gaming

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>>2193804
Its like when a holo surprises you with something you don't expect like Mori busting out a drawing stream which people don't think about but all of a sudden her field is saturated with Deadbeats and you can't break through them all.

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>>2192589
>>2192589
Octopus are traditional 8/8, and I'm not going to be a faggot and say add a takodachi token

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>>2193656
The scry 1 etb seems tacked on. I'm fine with the pseudo morphling effects, but the scry should either be an attack trigger or something else.

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>>2192533
Should be 1U
Swan song is U and gives a 2/2.

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>>2194528
>>2194736
Makes sense, I'll implement those.

[Anonymous No.]

Tried a more serious take on lore Ame with the suspend mechanic.

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>>2196299
You could just write suspend. All that text should just be in parenthesis as reminder text. Also, I think you should make it a "may" ability so you aren't just fucked trying to counter a spell, but are forced to suspend it and make it worthless

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>>2196299
>>2196875
Actually the way it's written it effects all spells. Is that what you are aiming for, or should it be, spells YOU control?

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>>2196875
Writing "it gains suspend 1" requires a cost and is a may ability. It doesn't force a card to suspend, it's an alternate cost.
>so you aren't just fucked trying to counter a spell, but are forced to suspend it and make it worthless
>>2196932 is correct, it's a symmetric ability.
The whole point of it to make it balanced is to make it symmetric because I would like ALL the cards to have suspend. Creates interesting political situations in a multiplayer game but it also gives you an advantage since you can put stuff in your deck that lets you cast spells with flash like picrel right before your turn starts to have it enter on that turn.

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>>2196991
I don't know, this seems to counter your point. you can just say it's forced to be in suspend for 1 turn.

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>>2193804
Unironically Mori is probably the most well rounded gamer in EN, and I say that as someone who barely watches her
>The most well rounded gaming selection, including gems that her genmates would never touch like Mad Rat Dead, Yumme Nikki and Blasphemous
>Beat the latest Crash game, which honestly is above what her gen mates have pulled off. Closest comparison would be Ina beating Radiance (which took like 2 streams) and Ame being close to beating DKC (but she abused save states for that one)
I'd say she qualifies for the ebin gamer cred, though to be fair she could also pretty easily be Green/White.
Actually if we're talking about designations, if we're being real here Marine could easily be Red, Blue, Green or White, she's really good at all four.

[Anonymous No.]

tfw dont play mtg so I cant do these

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>>2197555
Oh.. Ah. Hm.. Ok. I think I will incorporate this then... Forgot Jhoira existed

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>>2192240
I thought of making a custom hololive set for wixoss since all the Nijisanji girls are there but it would be a lot of work

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>>2198204
What do you play Anon?

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>>2194446
There's a bunch of octopus cards that aren't 8/8, what are you talking about

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>>2208103
As tokens? no

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>>2149137
>blue getting fucked
good

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>>2198110
Marine would probably be the "jack of all trades" deck (probably alongside Fubuki coincidentally enough). Can't hit as hard as Koro-san or Botan, can't fill up the field like Ina, but has a lot of versatility so she can side deck in what cards she needs depending on the matchup.