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[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else struggling to learn Japanese so they can watch vtubers?
I understand hiragana but katakana and kanji confuse the shit out of me.
This is like learning 3 languages at once.

[Anonymous No.]

Protip: you don't need to learn to read in order to watch a vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

If you can't learn to read the kana under a week then you have no prospects and you should give up now to cut your loses.
You have to really want it to learn a language that this far removed from your native language.
Also have this.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/learnmain.html

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>>21411701
Why even watch Niptubers?

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You have to accept kanji is a long game. You're not going to learn any of them quickly. The most important thing is to instantly dispell any blackpilled thoughts about your capability to learn Japanese.

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>>21411928
I don't resonate with the English ones.

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>>21411651
>I understand hiragana but katakana and kanji confuse the shit out of me.
you are currently on step 0.1, and there's a pretty long road ahead. don't stress yourself out too much about kana since you'll pick most of that up as you learn. use anki cards for kanji and genki books for grammar. godspeed redditor

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>>21412282
How do you know you're resonating with the JP ones when you don't even understand what they're saying? This is why people dislike weebs.

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>>21412282
YWNBJ weeb

[Anonymous No.]

N4 here. Japanese is much easier without the Kanjis and for streams you mostly only need the listening. Kanjis take a long time to learn and the only way is to use them often. Follow your oshi and keep at it. Learning any language is a bit more a journey than a destination.

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>>21411651
>Anyone else struggling to learn Japanese so they can watch vtubers?
no
>kanji confuse the shit out of me.
The best way to learn kanji is the JP1K method, you can read about it here https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/blog/learning-kanji.html

[Anonymous No.]

>Got N2 Certification
>Still can't understand what chuuba's shitting about

fml

[Anonymous No.]

Learning Japanese without kanjis is schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.]

I gave up & started watching EN 2views. Seemed pointless to learn a language when my at the time oshi wouldn't have acknowledged my existence either way

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>>21411651
Kanji is gonna be a long term study that you just have to accept but if you're struggling with katakana you're either half assing it or delusional. At that rate you'll never be able to go through grammar and vocabulary and everything that comes after.
If you're not interested you're not interested, just be honest with yourself. If you are just apply yourself to it.

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What exactly in the kanji confuse you ?
How to learn it,how to read it ?

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>>21411651
>being filtered by katakana
ngmi

[Anonymous No.]

Duolingo is grreat to learn hiragana and katanaka
absolute ass for everything else

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fuck writing, does anyone have a method to fast track listening/speaking/grammar while skipping kanji, i already know hiragana and katakana

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>>21419396
unironically, watch anime with subs, but not focus on them, or watch subbed then raw, vtubers are not hard to understand, their jap is basic and simple.

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I mean, i learnt english on 4chan, so it's possible.

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>>21412909
>>21412957
he probably liked the translated stuff he saw then
why do you have to derail threads about japanese vtubers with your garbage? even if he's wrong about resonating with japanese vtubers he clearly doesn't like your whores

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>>21420484
Too bad none of the anime I want to watch have Japanese subs.

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>>21420573
Based

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>>21421195
not that guy but guys asking like the jp chubbas are any different are sad

ive lived in japan so reading stuff like that is hilarious

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>>21411651
You can definitely start learning Japanese by watching JP streams. You can get a lot farther than you think with very little actual study. And it's fun!
Starting out is actually really easy. Just three easy steps!

1) Memorize the kana: hiragana and katakana in that order.
These are the basic Japanese alphabets. They're comprised of 46 symbols each, but they share the same 46 sounds which are very easy to learn because you can arrange them in a 10x5 grid + "n" (five spots are either obsolete or aren't used). Hiragana is used for Japanese words, while katakana is used for foreign words. The two alphabets basically looks like this:
A, I, U, E, O
Ka, Ki, Ku, Ke, Ko
Sa, Shi, Su, Se, So
Ta, Chi, Tsu, Te, To
Na, Ni, Nu, Ne, No
Ha, Hi, Fu, He, Ho
Ma, Mi, Mu, Me, Mo
Ya,Yu, Yo
Wa,Wo
Ra, Ri, Ru, Re, Ro
n

The five vowel sounds are A - "ah" as in car, I - "ee" as in bee, U - "oo" as in too, E - "eh" as in met, and O - "oh" as in row.
The kana ん/ン (n) is only found at the end of words.
One of the nice things about Japanese is everything is read how it's written. There are three exceptions which involve grammar particles:
は (ha) is pronounced "wa" when used as a particle, を (wo) is pronounced "o" when used as a particle, and へ (he) is pronounced "e" when used as a particle. It's easy to tell when to read them this way because they will appear by themselves after a word or kanji.

You can use the respective Wikipedia page for each alphabet to study.
Here's a decent matching game you can play in your browser to learn hiragana and katakana:
https://ohelo.github.io/usagi-chan/hiragana/
https://ohelo.github.io/usagi-chan/katakana/
I also recommend writing them multiple times in a notebook (with the correct stroke order) while you're learning, but it's up to you.
Animations of the stroke orders can be found here:
https://yosida.com/en/hiragana.html
https://yosida.com/en/katakana.html

2) Learn the dakuten, handakuten, sokuon, and choonpu marks and the digraphs(yōon),
I know that sounds intimidating but this is even easier than the first step because you don't have to memorize any new symbols.
These things are basically just ways to modify some of the above 46 sounds.
The dakuten is basically just a little ゛ mark that's added to hiragana and katakana that start with K, S, T, or H to change their sound to a voiced consonant.
All it does is change the sound from K to G, S to Z, T to D, and H to B. The exception is it changes shi to ji, chi to ji, and tsu to dzu.
For example, ka to ga: か -> が. That's it.
The handakuten is similar. It's a little ゜ mark that's added to hiragana and katakana that start with H to change the sound from H to P.
For example, ha to pa: は -> ぱ. That's it.
The sokuon mark is just a small tsu character (っ or ッ) that's silent and makes the next consonant sound doubled. This can be a bit difficult to write out so search for sukuon on google to hear how it's used. https://www.learn-japanese-adventure.com/what-are-sokuon-and-long-vowels.html
For example, かこ (kako, two syllables) becomes かっこ (kakko, three syllables).
The chōonpu mark is just a line (ー) that indicates you double the previous vowel sound. In hiragana, you just add another vowel to indicate the vowel sound is doubled, but with katakana, you use the chōonpu mark.
For example, "haa" in hiragana is はあ, but in katakana it's ハー.
The Yōon is also easy and intuitive. They're basically just a combination of ki, shi, chi, ni, hi, mi or ri with a small version of ya, yu, or yo. The purpose of this is to make the combined sound one syllable instead of two.
For example, りゆ (riyu) would normally be two syllables, but りゅ (ryu) is only one.
Finally, you can combine the dakuten or handakuten mark with yōon that start with ki, shi, chi, or hi to make the associated versions of that sound.
So for example, きゅ (kyu) becomes ぎゅ (gyu). Or ひゃ (hya) becomes ぴゃ (pya).
With this you will now be able to read any Japanese without kanji.

3) Install a Chrome or Firefox extension like rikaikun
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/rikaikun/jipdnfibhldikgcjhfnomkfpcebammhp?hl=en
This will let you hover over kanji and it will show a pop up with the reading in Hiragana and the definition in English. I use this to learn new words when they get spammed in chat by Japanese users. JPniki often repeat the streamer by typing what they say in chat. If you hover over chat often enough, you'll begin to learn a lot of new vocab in a short amount of time in a way that doesn't feel like studying.

And that's it!
Keep in mind, you won't really learn grammar this way, but Japanese grammar isn't that difficult and can be learned later.
You will begin to quickly and easily increase your vocab, which is arguably the hardest and most boring part of learning a new language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21411651
why bother

[Anonymous No.]

>>21412909
You're actually retarded. Stop projecting, EOP trash.

>>21426620
You're either lying or stupid. There is absolutely a difference in culture and interests.
I doubt you lived in Japan, but if you did, I'm guessing the reason you don't anymore is because you never connected with anyone. Most likely because you're a retard.