/nasfaqg/ - NASFAQ General

[Anonymous No.]

/nasfaqg/ - NASFAQ General 2077

Thread for the discussion of NASFAQ, a financial market simulator based on holding of coins that represent the members of hololive and some of their mamas.
This is a fake stock market game meant for FUN, not a real stock market (cryptofags will not be happy here either, no real money involved, NO you won't get better at stocks from this).

https://nasfaq.biz/info - READ THIS. No seriously read it, faggot.

Research 1: https://schedule.hololive.tv/
Research 2: https://holo.poi.cat/
Research 3: https://hololive.jetri.co/

F.U.C.K. Reports (Market-based reports, updated daily): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/104gsM_vZz1MuhJxfuYeT_xNFC1Qk1h7zeLVoCyFsrSw/edit?usp=sharing
"real oshiboard" spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c-ioaVcHWb4kMHXF8kqND9mZ_O84P-xLzbDoY-JGmrk/edit?usp=sharing
https://files.catbox.moe/jhccbu.webm (unembed)
(nene love) (holo love) (mori love) (ina love) (simple as)
revised Haaton wallet analyzer sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ou-iTo4fF9YcPWKZZtqsG-SjUJDWBJ20Wxrrwc2-he8/edit?usp=sharing
returns report temporary archive: https://rentry.org/returnsreport

Mikofag's humble attempt to archive some of the thread OC:
https://mega.nz/folder/NeQghDqL#mSL13SdqKjKgYVjFCgF6Iw
Thread Lore:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BNIA50Z2vw4pS6gLbxyTL5trAfIo-Uo22womorcx-7o/edit?usp=sharing

Previous thread: >>21160677

[Anonymous No.]

I miss smart fandead

[Anonymous No.]

I miss when the threads were alive

[Anonymous No.]

>>21261089
https://youtu.be/RhMsboqMMzs?t=4

[Anonymous No.]

>>21261089
I wonder why it's like this, returns report said 1800 active wallets? Where are they...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21258696

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>>21261151
Nano-bumps son. They post die or live in response to the thread almost dying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21261348
All im sayin is... give NASFAQ a chance.
https://youtu.be/ZbI_FZdyLdM?t=3

[Anonymous No.]

>>21261319
>mori week
>mori market
>mori game

[Anonymous No.]

Ah, yes. It's time to die!

[Anonymous No.]

im late

[Anonymous No.]

>>21262069
(You) could always start a timeloop, for example
>>21224894
>>21234447
What's up with these two? why do they seem so close? the latest nasfaq couple? deadbeat grooming? the fandead was actually with Marukome all along? rrats are coming fresh out of the oven

[Anonymous No.]

>>21263780
No one cares, post about the game or go touch grass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21263780
triangle needed someone to handle returns report code after applause left, and smart fandead seemed to know appluase, so applause gave the backend code to smart fandead, then he gave the results to triangle to restart the returns report
If hes abayoing too, i dont even know , they were going to ramp up to all wallets so maybe he has the code himself now and a willing monkey

[Anonymous No.]

That's it... Time to time loop nasfaq to the very start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21264435
anon no you cant do that and my thousands of coins!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21263780
I can't believe the deadbeat is cheating on the tako

[Anonymous No.]

>>21264994
oh great, I was wondering when the newest episode of the telenovela was coming out

[Anonymous No.]

congratulations tapatio sauce for top 20!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21264539
not everyone wants their progress reset f

[Anonymous No.]

>>21261201
Out of those *1600 top wallets, 205 are active AND open, as in they traded in the past week. I suppose a lot of them are more casual players.
As a matter of fact, there were three open wallets that didn't make it to the Report because they were created after the data collection started, so during the week.

The truth is, the thread has to step up its game. The game still have players, and whether they are active on the thread or not depends on a lot of factors, but the thread isn't particularly attractive at the moment. >We kind of need to make it more fun, while still relating to either the game or the community.

I'd suggest something like a contest for creation of new OPs, since they attract a lot of new people. People click and read the text when the image is cool and creative. There could be monetary rewards, I wouldn't be against giving away some prize money.

>>21264122
I don't want to tell exactly how sausage is made, but a) Applause wasn't involved in the technical backend of the Returns Report and b) neither was Smart Fandead. There was another fandead involved, though...

>>21264994
I would never do that. My tako wife is too cute for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21265939
>I'd suggest something like a contest for creation of new OPs, since they attract a lot of new people
I used to make a bunch of OPs, but that was when we were regularly ending threads shortly after adjustment, so it was easier to have topical threads.
This one's the last one I made, but the one before that was fucking Nacho's IPO, I believe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21265664
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>21266394
I have a boots fetish now

[Anonymous No.]

>>21266962
Working as Intended, then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21265939
>I would never do that. My tako wife is too cute for that.
Explain the two posts then??

[Anonymous No.]

>>21267618
anon, there's more than one deadbeat

[Anonymous No.]

>>21267667
Oh...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21267667
This makes things even more confusing, so applause was the one grooming smart fandead and not triangle? That was his ultimate move? Quit nasfaq and switch to full-time grooming?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21214994
I don't know what to say, I'll miss you and I'll miss talking with you about the game a lot. I'll keep doing my best and try reach the top.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21265939
>I would never do that.
dyrbi

[Anonymous No.]

why is that whore of heimin selling his items? does he need money? do I finally have a chance to groom him?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21269677
you are way too late to try and groom them

[Anonymous No.]

>>21269855
the kenzoku is a limp dicked crossdressing bitch anyway how is he gonna stop me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21269677

[Anonymous No.]

>>21269888
How about a bat to your face?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21269888
Jeez, what’d I do to you? Besides, if you think money is what it takes to get the Heimin, there’s no hope for you.
Thanks larper friend for attaching an image for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21270202
only if you wear a towa cosplay

[Anonymous No.]

>>21270202
the bat goes in your bussy and we both know it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21270319
>spoiler

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>>21270366

[Anonymous No.]

Whoa, don't all post at once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21269677
youre in a queue behind every kenzoku on the site
heimin is mad for towa openis

[Anonymous No.]

>>21265664
Thank you. I think this is the 2nd or 3rd time, dunno if it'll stick.

[Anonymous No.]

are you poor? like incredibly piss poor? are you so poor you can't even afford your oshi's hat? just look at my profile IWantAmeToPegMe pick your oshi's hat and I'll sell it to you for the lowest price possible and if someone outbids you I'll be there to cover your ass. The only hats I won't sell are amehats and hats I only have one of, the rest is up for selling

[Anonymous No.]

>>21274130
11 suihats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21274130
Goslingnigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>21274130
Don't you leave us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21274227
post proof you're poor
>>21274233
oh nyoo~
>>21274248
I already left I just trade hats now I saw a poorfag in global chat saying how he wants his oshi hats but it's too expensive for him so I just thought of sharing my hats collection with poorfags

[Anonymous No.]

Just realized we didn't even have any 1 year celebration or any form of event for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21274729
>post proof you're poor
please sell the hats ty as you can see my wallet is very empty

[Anonymous No.]

>>21274983
it's up

[Anonymous No.]

>>21275228
love ya olive boy <3

[Anonymous No.]

I take my love back

[Anonymous No.]

>>21274776
sad

[Anonymous No.]

>>21275459
>>21275330
____________seethe___________

[Anonymous No.]

>>21274729
could you list your ina hat?

[Anonymous No.]

uhhh honk, why aren't the indogs adjusting yet?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>21276771
it's a scam. honk got youu

[Anonymous No.]

19th hour, enjoy, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21277763
>19:00:01

[Anonymous No.]

>>21274130
Gura hat please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21275459
haha stupidsei

[Anonymous No.]

>>21278225

[Anonymous No.]

>>21278225
sir that was very rude of you

[Anonymous No.]

Like a bolt from the blue, it's time for the Numbers Review.
Data collected at Cycle 60.

Here's the R.I.C.H. report for today:
>Total Shares in circulation amount to 19,361,315, a 0.62% increase from yesterday's volume
>Average shares per coin is 297,866. There are 27 coins above this average.
>Calliope currently has the highest volume, at 1,841,831 shares, or 9.51% of market volume.
>Pochimaru currently has the lowest volume, at 37,893 shares, or 0.2% of market volume.

Top 5 Volume Increases (of 37):
>Ayame & Watame & Mumei :: +3.8%
>Korone :: +3.3%
>Ollie :: +3.1%
>Matsuri :: +2.9%
>AZKi :: +2.7%

Top 5 Volume Decreases (of 28):
>Ui :: -5.4%
>Aqua :: -4.4%
>Shion :: -4.3%
>Laplus :: -3%
>Chloe :: -2.4%

1 coin (Nana) had a net 0% change in volume today.
30 other coins had a sub-1% change in volume today.


Here's the R.I.S.E. report for today:
>Starting Liquid is estimated at $207,724.71, which is an increase of 3.17% from yesterday's estimate.
>Total Market Value for today is $478,346,880,921.38, which is a decrease of 0.48% from yesterday's Market Value.
>Average Value per Share is $24,706.32. A total of 17 coins are above this average.
>Calliope currently has the highest value, at $44,229,766,470.62 in total market value, or 9.25% of market value.
>Pochimaru currently has the lowest value, at $374,937,214.59 in total market value, or 0.08% of market value.

Top 5 Value Gains (of 39):
>Ui :: +71.4%
>Aqua :: +48.4%
>Lamy :: +32.4%
>Laplus :: +25.9%
>Kiara :: +25.7%

Top 5 Value Losses (of 26):
>Calliope :: -24.3%
>Noel :: -19.1%
>Pekora :: -17.3%
>Subaru :: -17.2%
>Mumei & Lui :: -16.9%

26 coins had a sub-4.5% change in value today.


Here's the F.R.E.E. report for today:
>Today's Superchats totaled to $218,555,733, which is a decrease of 62.99% from yesterday's Superchats.
>The Broker made $584,916,394.17 today, an increase of 2.7% from yesterday's salary.

Top 5 Superchat Increases (of 19):
>Aki :: +12.5%
>Kronii :: +5%
>Watame :: +4.9%
>Fauna :: +4.7%
>Lui :: +3.8%


Here's the M.O.V.E. Report for today:
>5 coins (Civia, Haato, Mio, Iroha, Suisei) adjusted green, but are still trending upwards.
>3 coins (Rushia, Zeta, Kovalskia) adjusted red, but are still trending downwards. Note that Zeta and Kovalskia have not yet adjusted, meaning more people are selling than buying
>7 coins (Marine, Ina'nis, Amelia, Koyori, Coco, Pochimaru, Nabi) adjusted red, but are now above their pre-adjustment value.
>2 coins (Kanaeru, Aki) adjusted green, but are now below their pre-adjustment value. Kanaeru hasn't yet adjusted, so she started the day being bought, but is now being sold.
>48 coins are on projected trend lines and have not intersected with their pre-adjustment values.

Top 5 Most Volatile Coins (per Hour Average):
>Aqua :: -$975.56 Down
>Calliope :: $628.50 Up
>Laplus :: -$399.33 Down
>Pekora :: $386.95 Up
>Ui :: -$385.23 Down

Top 5 Least Volatile Coins (per Hour Average):
>Reine :: -$4.41 Down
>Nana :: $4.56 Up
>Nabi :: $4.62 Up
>Rushia :: -$5.80 Down
>Iroha :: $7.42 Up

Overall Average movement was $20.58 per hour.
Average Upwards movement was $115.64 per hour.
Average Downwards movement was -$141.81 per hour.

The Financial Underwriters of Comprehensive Knowledge would like to remind you to stay informed, shitpost responsibly, and FUD accurately.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys know there's no legal mandate to buy Mori every single time she goes red, right?
You can just...not buy. Or buy less.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21279279
easy mode

[Anonymous No.]

>>21267618
As others explained, it was Clapman, not I.
>>21274776
What is important is to have the 1 year celebration of the release in April.
>>21279279
There is for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21279279
Stay poor

[Anonymous No.]

At this rate mori will overtake oshi in just over 5 weeks. Let me off the bone train please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21279703
just buy more of your oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>21279621
Post wallet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21279823

[Anonymous No.]

I'm escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by mori...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21280005
Blondes...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21280005
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.]

>>21279823
No.

[Anonymous No.]

Hello, please go watch my wife sing while she shoots for ̶8̶0̶0̶k̶ 801k subs!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21281459
OK

[Anonymous No.]

Die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21288512

[Anonymous No.]

Ok, but who is Mori?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21275508
>>21274776
the actual launch was april 6th, not february 16

[honk No.]

>>21276771
We wait a week from debut to adjust so that they have the proper weekly stats contributing to the base price. First adjustment will be zeta on friday. They will all pay divs this week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21293502
You didn't think to mention a new important change like that before having the actual fucking IPO?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21293654
honk love...but I agree with this guy

[honk No.]

>>21293654
>>21293687
ah... yeah that's a brainfart on me... it even says on the info page how we normally do it. we can start adjusting with zeta at the next adjustment, or the one after that if that's too little notice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21294071
Do the adjustment now, no balls
next adjustment is probably fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>21294071
Can't speak for anyone else, but I was expecting all of them today, or at the very least Zeta, since Kanaeru had her debut yesterday. Tomorrow is probably fine. The IPO section under the info page implies they actually would've gone one by one the day after their individual debuts, but I assumed it would've been like Council or HoloX

[Anonymous No.]

It should have been Zeta Monday, Kowalski Tuesday and the cunny thing on Wednesday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21296748
yes, and ur mom on Friday

[Anonymous No.]

>>21296811
if you want to invest in momcoin that can be arranged; she's old af though, and not in the hag way

[Anonymous No.]

>>21260893
Still not seeing the aggie link in the op

[Anonymous No.]

>>21294071
I mean it's not like when they first adjust changes anything about how anybody is going to play the game.
You're either the type of player that tunes in to adjustments every single day, or you aren't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21296956
type this again but this time, without the retard zoomer ebonics speak

[Anonymous No.]

>>21297611
I forgor

[Anonymous No.]

invest in irysex

[Anonymous No.]

I'm moving houses so I can't play nasfaq for a week until I get everything set up. See you guys next week!! I love you!

[Anonymous No.]

night, /nasfaq/!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21307506
man if only someone loved me the way this anon loves (you)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21276219
you still there? if yes which one? The ears or the other one?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Ohhh Konnui

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>21313191
Noo, not the stinky

[Anonymous No.]

unalive

[Anonymous No.]

(ANNOUNCEMENT)

The returns report archive has been updated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21315865
Cute owl

[Anonymous No.]

HONNNKKKK WHEN ARE WE GETTING HOMOCOINS

[Anonymous No.]

>>21318077
I will make my organization crash the markets if honk introduces homocoins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21319047
why do you hate men?

[Anonymous No.]

honk, custom events when please? market freeze, no tax day, day of the red, day of the green etc etc. play around the market please...

[Anonymous No.]

i love fucking mori

[Anonymous No.]

boobaboard has been updated.

minor changes below:
- used a trimmed average to calculate each coin's "booba number" (listed below) due to a certain idiot
- normalised a vector which is used when calculating the point pools for each coin for the booba boards
- removed a magic number used when calculating a value related to premiumboard

booba numbers for each coin:
kronii 0.96
sana 0.95
coco 0.95
noel 0.92
choco 0.88
calliope 0.84
botan 0.84
reine 0.81
lamy 0.80
haato 0.79
fauna 0.78
flare 0.78
watame 0.77
mel 0.77
moona 0.75
amelia 0.73
nene 0.71
ayamy 0.69
lui 0.67
marine 0.67
miko 0.66
chloe 0.66
mio 0.65
koyori 0.65
korone 0.62
kovalskia 0.59
okayu 0.59
kiara 0.57
iroha 0.57
aqua 0.52
roboco 0.52
aki 0.52
mumei 0.50
risu 0.50
polka 0.50
zeta 0.47
irys 0.46
baelz 0.45
himemoriluna 0.41
pekora 0.40
subaru 0.39
kanaeru 0.37
fubuki 0.37
sora 0.36
towa 0.34
melfissa 0.32
azki 0.30
civia 0.29
nabi 0.27
iofi 0.26
ayame 0.25
kanata 0.25
ui 0.22
shion 0.19
matsuri 0.19
gura 0.18
nana 0.18
pochimaru 0.17
hololive 0.17
laplus 0.16
suisei 0.13
nachoneko 0.11
inanis 0.08
ollie 0.07
rushia 0.01

[Anonymous No.]

>>21324620
can you just remove mori please, I'm on the wrong board and I hate it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21324620
>applause is in the petite board
>with 95k mori

[Anonymous No.]

ohhhh i need to shit

[Anonymous No.]

Ohhhhhh I have to go cum

[Anonymous No.]

>>21324620
>ayamy 0.69
A very well rounded number, perfect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21324620
How is ina not at the bottom, have you not seen her 3D? There's literally NOTHING there

[Anonymous No.]

Like a glint from the blue, here's a quick Morning Review.

Top 3 Upwards Adjustments (of 26)
>Zeta :: $20,646.72
>Amelia :: $5,253.53
>IRyS :: $4,985.47

Top 3 Downwards Adjustments (of 39)
>Hololive :: -$12,413.68
>Calliope :: -$8,009.51
>Fubuki :: -$7,949.72

Overall Average Adjustment is -$919.54
Average Upward Adjustment is $2,548.93
Average Downward Adjustment is -$3,231.86

Don't get baited, pick up some good deals, and don't forget that you only have 2 more days to ship out any remaining Rushia you intend to get rid of.

[Anonymous No.]

When do I stop buying mori?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21326622
There's even less left of Rushia

[Anonymous No.]

I'm retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>21326763
She's not that great a deal today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21327085
>not buying anything on a red day
yes you are

[Anonymous No.]

>>21327125
>red day

[Anonymous No.]

>>21320194
I agree with this. honk is too focused on making the game balanced or like a real market simulator and forgot that we all or majority of us started to play for fun.
I know a lot of the current players are only staying not fully for the game but for the other players, but I'm not really playing anymore so everything I said doesn't really matter

[Anonymous No.]

i have way too much liquid

[Anonymous No.]

>>21327085
>>21327261
where are your Towa sells

[Anonymous No.]

>>21327371
i got rid of her at 30k a few days ago and never bought more...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21324620
>>21326787
ina is literally so anorexic that all you see is her ribcage. In comparison rushia actually has some meat on her bones and her boobs have definition to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21328213
skill issue

[Anonymous No.]

>>21328213

[Anonymous No.]

>>21328213

[Anonymous No.]

>>21328213
Ina is so fucking flat that if I didn't see her hair clipping through the rest of her body I would've assumed they just rigged up a really good Live2D for the concert.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21328213

[Anonymous No.]

>>21328213
This makes no fucking sense, how much does ina weight have literally nothing but mosquito bites?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21324775
it is proof that applause has a cute fandead gf

[Anonymous No.]

gentlemen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21331845

[Anonymous No.]

>>21327125
id say its a crab day or a mild red day

[Anonymous No.]

>towa "It's Red"
I should've saved that

[Anonymous No.]

>>21332008

[Anonymous No.]

>>21327209
>but for the other players
I still enjoy the game but cant deny I'm staying for oldhags

[Anonymous No.]

>>21331845
rhombus squirrel had sovl

[Anonymous No.]

>>21332082
>whooooooo

[Anonymous No.]

>>21331845
Gentlemen, I am Pomu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21332328

[Anonymous No.]

>>21328592

[Anonymous No.]

>>21332765
sex sex sex sex sex sex
gura erotic
i still like how they put fucking nothing on the cosplay mannequin, they left that coat high and naked manaquin showing everything underneath
they know the peak of her sexual appeal is bottomless shark

[Anonymous No.]

what's the most overrated/underrated coin in the market right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21333308
Most overrated? mori
Most underrated? also mori

[Anonymous No.]

>>21333308
mori and mori

[Anonymous No.]

>>21333308
mori and mori

[Anonymous No.]

>>21333324
>>21333342
>>21333364
all me

[Anonymous No.]

>>21333324
>>21333342
>>21333364
>>21333390

[Anonymous No.]

>>21333308
Mori.
Reine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21334769
>Reine
You're a few months too late there bud, Reine is clapped now

[Anonymous No.]

>>21334877
All of the IDs are heavily underestimated. I keep telling newfags to go there to farm earlygame coins and nobody listens.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>21336081
mating press

[Anonymous No.]

>>21336146
hope descended all over that

[Anonymous No.]

HONKKKKKKKKK IMPLEMENT A SERVER SIDE TRADER ALREADY

[Anonymous No.]

HONKKKKKKKKK IMPLEMENT A SERVER SIDE TRADER AND RESET THE GAME ALREADY

[Anonymous No.]

The only solution is the Great Reset⠠

[Anonymous No.]

Look at this smug brat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21338421
Punch her.
>>21331865

[Anonymous No.]

>>21338648
that but with Shion

[Anonymous No.]

>>21338648
Something like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEFsi4tFAUI

[Anonymous No.]

>>21339270
muh dick

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think a raw great reset would be enough to revive the game. Sure it might add a little more interest but I personally believe something huge along side with the reset would make it interesting and sting a little less. Then again I enjoyed Rust for a while as a game so my word shouldn't be taken with any grains of salt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21339520
Server side traded
Player to player coin trade
Shorting
Shares don't appear from nothing and disappear into the void
Maximum share volume based on channel stats

With these updates a reset would be justified

[Anonymous No.]

>>21340744
Fuck P2P trading, fuck that forever. Player interaction that affects net worth was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21340977
go whine about it on your minecraft server safespace

[Anonymous No.]

i just want new hats in the game

[Anonymous No.]

>>21339520
i still say the big revolution would be dividends actually being divided by coin volume
you share the wealth between all shares it doesnt come magically out of nowhere
it would make coins like mori dividend worthless overnight, revive the mama coins, any coin that just gets mindlessly overbought will give less dividends
it the same dividends gross, but being divided among more people you cant just sit on your stack of mori till the end of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>21340744
>p2p coin trading
>shares don't appear from nothing and disappear from the void
We've timelooped on this subject multiple times. Meta would just be hodl and would be extremely prohibitive to new players with little purchase power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21341281
That just makes dividends worth less over time, since this isn't a zero-sum game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21341126
???

[Anonymous No.]

>>21339520
I'm with you on this one, any reset without major changes is retarded as it doesn't fix anything (what problems do we even have nowadays?) and the big problem is that if those changes aren't enough to bring in newfags you risk alienating your oldfag player base who might just drop the game.
>>21340744
>Shares don't appear from nothing and disappear into the void
>Maximum share volume based on channel stats
This won't work for a game, why would a newfag want to start playing when he might not even be able to hold his oshi in any meaningful way, or maybe even buy her at all?
>>21341281
I'm pretty sure someone talked about this in the past, after a few weeks, all those mamas would be overbought as shit, then you'd switch to another shitcoin for new shinny divs, repeating the cycle until all dividends normalized between coins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21341281

[Anonymous No.]

>>21341281
honk already suggested implementing this but people were too retarded to understand how it'd affect the game and they pushed back
>>21341726
>repeating the cycle until all dividends normalized between coins
write a formal proof for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21341872
>write a formal proof for it
There was a whole fucking report written up about it spanning multiple weeks, based on each model that the devchamas posted. It was completely fucking stupid and was a change simply for change's sake that would have done nothing for the game long-term.

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>>21341789
Applause...

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>>21341943
pure mathematical models are completely irrelevant for predicting how irrational players are gonna use the feature

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>>21341126
What are you talking about? Are you retarded? The thing that makes this game fun is the fair competition. The less easy it is for people to take the money of others, the more rewarding it is to play the game. If you see somebody climb the leaderboard through the funds/coins of others, it makes your hard work seem worthless.
Instead of making a confusing and irrelevant comment please try and say something useful, faggot.

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>>21342155
>The thing that makes this game fun is the fair competition.
It's literally impossible to to climb the top 5 unless you get boosted or someone there abayos his money, how is that fun and fair? You could be objectively the best player in the game and still lose to dead accounts

[Anonymous No.]

>>21342049
>Write a formal proof that changing the dividend payouts to be semi-fixed pools that pay out based on volume would be bad.
>Yeah that was already done last time the devs tried to propose such a thing, and it was done at depth.
>You can't prove with math that people would actually do it!
Why do I even bother with you retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>21342340
because we love you big boobs banger

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>>21341943
>There was a whole fucking report written up about it
there was none. i was there and the only "write up" was BBB (or someone larping as him) saying
>all dividends would be the same after a week
yet, in spite of that statement never being proven, people started repeating the argument like parrots
on the other hand, someone did write a rough proof about the change having little effect from a players perspective, but that it could be really useful for the devs
>It was completely fucking stupid and was a change simply for change's sake
there's nothing stupid about it and the change would have given the devs tools to more easily reason about and control the divs. that should be a good enough reason

>>21342340
this >>21342049 is not me, you absolute retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>21342340
You assume players are smart. The overwhelming majority aren't. You will always shoot down any proposal because "muh math", at this point just close the game

[Anonymous No.]

>>21342049
>>21342506
Even then, the people against divs pools never actually did the math so they are talking out of their asses right now. There's no reason to oppose div pools if that's how the devs want to do it.

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>>21342310
Ok, but what does that have to do with P2P trading? I'm not completely against a reset, but I am against boosting in all forms. No P2P coin trading, no thank you. I'd prefer the auction house to use a credit system too so you can't get money out of it, but I'm guessing that wouldn't be very popular. The game isn't very fun or fair right now because of how difficult it is to climb, I agree with you completely. It's absolute bullshit at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21342617
The devs gave us THEIR OWN MATH for it and admitted that it could very easily lead to a situation where the metagame would potentially swing to trading lowest-volume each week until dividends were effectively dead, which is why it was summarily dropped. The models provided were both literally just flipping dividend % rankings upside-down and tying it to volume distribution.
If you want to say that I didn't do due diligence or something, that's fine. I can always revisit it when I have the time, but don't say nobody looked into it.
If anybody is interested, I unhid the documentation in the FUCK archive showing the dividends as they were presented by devchama, and how it compared to the actual dividend payouts of that period of time. Should save you an archive dive.

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>>21341158
Me too.

>>21342340
You tell me.

>>21341637
Ding ding ding.

>>21341726
>I'm pretty sure someone talked about this in the past, after a few weeks, all those mamas would be overbought as shit, then you'd switch to another shitcoin for new shinny divs, repeating the cycle until all dividends normalized between coins.
Ding ding ding.

>>21341872
Are you daft? You can already observe this with cypher's thinkpad and how it was choosing to switch who it was 10x-ing all week.

If dividends are split based on volume, then ALL coin volumes will eventually equalize along some norm. You will end up with vastly different volumes per coin, sure, but they will all pay close to the same fucking dividend amount.

Whenever they don't, people will sell what is already overleveraged to jump on the new hotness, until the new hotness is overleveraged, rinse, repeat, ad infinitum. You're just turning Mori into musical chairs at this point.

>oh well if you're so smart why don't you prove it
No, I'm not. I'm actually fucking retarded, and I believe someone already did anyways. My point is that if a retard can clearly see the end-game created by a proposed, meta-breaking "fix", that it's even more retarded. "Smearing your own shit on the walls" retarded.

>but players are dumb humans
Most top traders aren't making "human" decisions, they are algorithms in a program or a spreadsheet. They will only make optimum plays in this regard.

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>>21343136
Alright pigskin plot me fun over time comparing the current system with the pools system. And post your methodology, it has to be reproducible. Surely you're able to prove that the current system is more fun than the proposed one, and that it's not even worth trying.

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>>21341126
I dont remember making this post.

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>>21343439
Fun is infinite.
I made no such claims about what would be more fun. You seem to be implying that pools would be more fun, so I would suggest that you fucking prove it yourself. I am claiming that it's already solved, you're multiplying the Mori meta by the entire fucking market, except the rubber band moves from what Mori's price is to what the "right" dividend coin is that week.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not personally going to do it because I don't have the time or resources to do it quickly, but if somebody is interested in making >>21343439 eat shit, you can plot engagement (the closest measurement we have to "fun") with the game by tracking post rate of /nasfaqg/ threads over time. If you want to do a rough version, just count how many /nasfaqg/ OPs are made a week and plot that on a line graph.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21343439
why don't (You) show me your magic math that solves all of this game's problems?

[Anonymous No.]

I still want a good numbers of listed things in here >>19333215

[Anonymous No.]

I just want to own 100% of my oshi's shares. I don't care about anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21343806
You want to make him eat shit but if you do that you'll prove the current system isn't fun, the thread has been declining for a while. Also OPs are a terrible metric, if people keep posting "LIVE" to dead threads, then you'll have very few new OPs but the threads will still be dead (no engagement). If nobody posts "LIVE" and the thread is remade all the time, then it looks like there is engagement, but it's just because the thread is dying all the time from not having any activity

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>>21344065
I didn't say it was perfect, just that it was as close as we could get.

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>>21343816
I'm sure we might get a feature here... Someday...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21343816
I completely forgot about this post... Another timeloop of good suggestions being forgotten...

[Anonymous No.]

I just want a server side trader first

[honk No.]

>>21344381
Hi-
We're implementing a server-side trader in the coming weeks, but it will charge a base 10% transaction fee in addition to normal broker fees.
Please look forward to the update.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21344525
I would unironically use it

[honk No.]

look forward to the april first ev

[Anonymous No.]

>>21340977
shut up 24

[Anonymous No.]

we always get a timeloop of sad hours but did players really quit because of no server-side trader or did some players quit recently? i see no difference in activity

[Anonymous No.]

>>21346098
>did players really quit because of no server-side trader or did some players quit recently?
I did, but not because of the client-side trader but all the things surrounding it, like not being able to leave my pc on all the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>21346098
in-game activity is not really representative of "real" activity. It could all be zhonkbots just buying oshicoins for a player that essentially abayo'd. A better way to measure activity would be to check how often each players change their trades. if they only change it once a day at adjustment, they're active, but barely. They're not really playing much. If they change all the time then definitely they're active. I've they haven't changed it in a week they're dead.

[honk No.]

>>21346455
Same desuuuu

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>>21346835
Honk!!?!?!?!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21346835
HONK-CHAMA?!?!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21346881
you saw nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>21346923

[Anonymous No.]

>>21333308
Most overrated: High-multicoin Mori.
Most underrated: Civia. Yes, I'm serious.

[Anonymous No.]

I just ate some moldy salsa, what are the chances I'm going to die?
also seconding >>21347976 for >>21333308

[Anonymous No.]

>>21348011
Expect diarrhoea and (maybe) vomiting. You won't die, don't worry. If you ate expired meat, that would be different. Salsa is fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21348011
just dont die retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>21348011
Your time is up

[honk No.]

>>21348011
You're not gonna die, but in a few hours you might wish you were.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21348328
Honkler...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21348328
honk...

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>>21346835
>[Deleted]

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>>21276219
>>21307889
it's up if you want it

[Anonymous No.]

I am amazed at people suggesting an update (dividend pools) that would make the game even more brainless and investments even more same-y.

The issue with dividends is simple: they are already kind of same-y, outside of exceptional occasions they vary very mildly (Holo paid $4k more in dividends per coin... while its price inflated by a good $4-5k over the week, and the spike would have given ~$70k profits per coin) especially compared to their current price.

With the Volume update, the market would equilibrate over a couple weeks into a new stable situation, where surprise surprise, basically every coin gives the same proportion of returns per $ invested through dividends, making the mechanic completely irrelevant.

If you want to promote more skillful players' performance contributing to their rise on the leaderboard, buff trading, curb inflation, and make dividends more volatile. Also, fix Mori's constant dips and let the market finally buy her up to a price where other coins are competitive.

[Anonymous No.]

congratulation on 88888 priestess!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21343122
If the devs decided against it then so be it. I only take issue with people like >21343136
claiming
>If dividends are split based on volume, then ALL coin volumes will eventually equalize along some norm.
without any actual justification.
>Whenever they don't, people will sell what is already overleveraged to jump on the new hotness, until the new hotness is overleveraged, rinse, repeat, ad infinitum.
They keep saying that, but they have yet to prove it. And they even seem oblivious as to what the actual issue is
>You're just turning Mori into musical chairs at this point.
Yes, that's the fucking idea, buddy. You'll have to predict which coins are overbought/oversold each week and make choices, you know? The thing that makes games fun? Making choices. Instead of just blindly buying Mori for the entire week.
Sorry for the late reply, I was busy touching grass. I'll look into the archive later

[Anonymous No.]

>>21344700
1 day límited hats?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21349405
NTA, but volumes will slowly inflate tied to a coin's performance. Those low-volume coins will bloat quickly and the fraction of the profits you'll get from that pool will get diluted fast, which will also make changes very slow. Due to the limit of transactions, the coin volumes have a lot of drag - otherwise, I'd just liquidate all of my Holo when it spiked to $130k and reap a ton of trading profits.

As for proof that every coin will be the same: if you sort coins now, you'll see that their volume is roughly distributed by current or historical average ROI.

It won't even be musical chairs. If dividends were some game-changing profits, maybe people would pursue dividends of the upcoming week, sure. But dividends weren't anything game-changing for months now. People don't buy coins from the perspective of dividends for an one-off payment, they do so for a long-term hold. That means that in the end, it won't be Musical Chairs - it'll be a fucking dying Heart Rate Monitor - a bit of spikes then followed by an eternal crab, completely removing any relevance or consequence of coin choice to the dividends mechanic.

The math you're looking for is called "functions" and the specific one is "1/x" by the way. Saying it in case this wasn't obvious to anyone who has ever finished primary school.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21347744
I miss (embed), like you wouldn't imagine

[Anonymous No.]

>>21263780
I should probably try to clear this up if you really care that much.
I don't know if close is the word I would use, we haven't chatted a lot after all, nonetheless, the gist of the situation is that he is an amazing person that has helped me a lot, not only regarding nasfaq related things, but with handling recent events and just stuff in general. So, without getting in too much detail, he's someone amazing that I hold very dearly.
Looking back on it, I'm not sure why he did this for me, or if he's like this with everyone, but I'm very thankful for it and it's something I won't forget.
>>21343439
>>21341872
>>21342049
>>21342494
And while I'm here, you are an asshole, regardless of you being right or wrong you don't approach a discussion this way and expect something to come from it, granted you might be just doing this with no real purpose, if you truly believe that your idea has potential then say why you think so, and when someone tells you "all divs will be the same in a few weeks" reply with why you think that won't be the case, why you think old models are wrong or are overlooking something, don't go "give formal proof" "give a fun over time graph" you are literally putting 0 effort into your oh so brilliant idea, and you are asking for stupid things, let's not even get into the fact that fun is a subjective thing.
With that being said, dividends, disregarding some meta coins, are already on that stagnation point, I'm not sure if >>21341726 was thinking the same as me with normalized dividends, that doesn't necessarily mean each coin giving $1k divs (current allotted total for the dividend pool is around $65k), but that their ROI% is the same.
Currently, there are 39 coins between 3% and 6% (using only last dividends, which is pretty dumb, you should always use averages when possible), do these coins pay out the same amount of dividends? Not really but yes really, for example:
>REINE$ pays $448.88 at $10,222 -> 4.39% ROI
>KRONII$ pays $807 at $18,748 -> 4.30% ROI
Despite having different dividends payouts, these two coins are currently the same as far as dividend investing goes, people won't need to buy AYAMY$ up to 1.8M shares so she has the same dividends as MORI$, her new price will be set thanks to everyone chasing the hottest dividend coin, making their ROI% meet at some point.
Which brings us to our next point, chasing dividends, the way the current system works is that payouts are distributed according to weekly performance, utilizing both subscribers and views, this is why HOLO$ went to $7k divs, holofes boost was huge, your proposal completely disregards this and turns dividends into a completely braindead mechanic, currently everyone holding ID3 is wondering whether to gamble for divs or just sell it all, some can do their reps into channel growth and make more educated guesses, but the idea is the same, however, under your system, anyone can go into the market view, sort by volume top to bottom and start buying if they feel like the price is right, and to quote honk:
>The amount of cash added to your balance for a particular coin is a function of the amount you own and the chuuba's channel performance in the past week. It is independent of the market performance of that coin. Seek high performance coins in order to optimize your weekly payoffs
You are completely undermining the point of being able to recognize a chuuba who is performing better than the previous week or than their peers, you are literally taking away the complexity of the game!
And lastly, while I do not speak for the entire player base, I think dividends are fine currently, most people get a 6% to 7% returns on networth, which, again, to me, feels fine enough to have enough money to zero out on friday while making smart plays that don't fall into mindlessly buying (said plays include inflation buys, dividend optimization, day-trading investment and oshi buying, you can also add auctions and gacha if you are somehow not getting to zero by friday, but you should absolutely be able to do it).
And in general, I don't think screaming time-loop at any discussion is a good thing, it just shows that people care and want to find a solution to a hard problem, but for anyone reading, don't be like this poster and try to approach the discussion in a good way so at least I don't feel like I'm wasting my time on bait, even if you are being fake, it really makes having these kind of discussions better.
Now back to the void I go, but geez, I catch up on a thread after a day to see how you guys are doing and this is what I find?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21350150
>reply with why you think that won't be the case
I don't even care if it'll be the case or not. Your math models doesn't predict if a feature will be fun or not, stop trying to use it to "prove" it's not worth it. Early game PnDs were fun as fuck even if they were mathematically retarded.
oh and,
> you are an asshole, regardless of you being right or wrong you don't approach a discussion this way and expect something to come from it
Say that to their "Why do I even bother with you retards" and "say something useful, faggot."
--Ah right sorry, the Clique is allowed to say whatever it wants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21350533
>The clique
NTA, you're both assholes who aren't able to have a discussion without being rude or smug. There you go. Fuck you and your 'oh they're all against me' mindset. Fuck both of you for bringing insults into an important gameplay discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21350533
I suggest a new feature: all dividends will be the same. All coin prices would be also the same. There's no more adjustments or transaction volatility or transaction limitation, you just buy any coin you want!

Sounds fun as a feature, doesn't it? You can't make a mathematical model that predicts whether this will be fun or not, meaning that it's an excellent idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21263780
(you) are the latest nasfaq nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>21350150
>when someone tells you "all divs will be the same in a few weeks" reply with why you think that won't be the case
they are the ones making such claims, not me. the burden of proof is on them, not me. i already tried to argue with them in some previous timeloop. i'm not doing it again. if the poster here is who i think it is, they are an insufferable cunt and don't deserve the least of my kindness. so, with all due respect, i'll be as much of an asshole as i see appropriate.
as a side note, you are the only person so far who has bothered to write down anything of substance against the mechanic. months after it was proposed. see the fucking problem? i just want people to make coherent arguments either in favour or against it, i don't give a flying fuck about the mechanic per se. a thread celeb said he didn't like it and that was enough to get people against it. no argument, no discussion. miss me with that shit.

>>21350651
>important gameplay discussion
made kek, have a (you)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21349015
! congratulation !

[Anonymous No.]

>>21351224
>spoiler
You're sadly right about that. Most discussions and arguments gets ignored most of the time if you're not known or as a 'bait'. The thread isnt even fast enough to reason that (You) missed it. Then there's someone whos always smug

[Anonymous No.]

>>21351224
>>21351555
amen brothers. It's even more hypocritical when they summarily disregard you when you say something anonymously, but then you say the *same thing* with your known name and suddenly they listen

[Anonymous No.]

>>21351766
I'll maintain my previously held stance that dividends pool will effectively remove any player agency or meaningful choice from the dividends mechanic regardless of who you are. If you think that I'll suddenly change my mind because you're someone I know, you're completely wrong.

Post wallet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21351224
>>21351555
>>21351766
Don't forget that one irrelevant post while an ongoing discussion is happening and the post getting consecutive (you) at a fast rate proceeding to completely derail the discussion with more irrelevant posts and ending the discussions or the thread going completely dead until a thread celeb announces something

[Anonymous No.]

>>21348011
Honestly? It depends on the kind of mold.
Statistically speaking, you're going to have diarrhea for a day or barf a few times. If you have any respiratory issues, call 911. How much did you eat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21349405
>without any actual justification.
A fundamental understanding of how proportions, volume, and distribution work, you absolute troglodyte.

[Anonymous No.]

This is all a distraction from the fact that Mori is overbloated as a coin, both in value and in volume. This is exacerbated by the volume issue. People are more incentivized to sell than they were pre-10x, but the upper echelons still have no reason to clean out stock. Every sale needs to be considered against the buys you can make, because liquid in your account isn't growing, and you have a limited amount of transactions per coin per week. You sell 1000 Mori, and then what? You can't exactly buy 3000 Iofi. There's not enough time. Maybe if there were multiple coins you were interested in buying en masse, but a strategy like that would require you to be some sort of retard taking bad deals all the time, or some autistic chartfag, neither of which appeals to most people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21352306
Asking him to post wallet after all that makes you look 1. absurdly dumb 2. absurdly smug and 3. like an asshole
Go fuck yourself. He may have been unnecessarily rude, but you're just making things worse, and making yourself look like a cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21352458
ooooh watch out anon you're gonna get >>21350150
to tell you off for not providing a good polite discussion... -- oh wait no, you're on the same side so he'll let you say anything you want, continue calling people names then!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21352616
Both sides are receiving criticism for being bad sports, stop trying to start more arguments

[Anonymous No.]

>>21352616
>He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her
I rather politely pointed out where the burden of proof lied.
>>21351224
>they are the ones making such claims, not me. the burden of proof is on them, not me. i already tried to argue with them in some previous timeloop. i'm not doing it again. if the poster here is who i think it is, they are an insufferable cunt and don't deserve the least of my kindness. so, with all due respect, i'll be as much of an asshole as i see appropriate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21352501
He's made a claim that people receive posts differently when you post with a "known name", as if it was a magic social pressure button that would undermine how flawed that argument was and would magically convince me to think in the same way as him. I want for him to post wallet solely to say that I disagree with him right to his face.
Some people are like "ooh clique this, ooh clique that". If you're not the personification of a wet noodle, you'll say the same argument regardless of who you're talking to.

[Anonymous No.]

the problem with that guy suggestion is that it needs to pair with a reset. Current nasfaq will not fucking sell. Why would I? Ill still get money, now pair that with inflation, then the possibility of never rebuilding the stack you sold will be a possibility.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21352491
This issue has been raised before, and I agree. Mori isn't a good dividend coin because her divvies are insane, they are comparable to other coins. The issue lies with her price. It's constantly blasted down, which doesn't let market equilibrate and she's basically stuck in a permanent discount.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21352779
Names and identities aren't an issue here. The people saying "this is bad" haven't dropped any names, only the people replying to them trying to stir shit. This timeloop hasn't even evolved.
>Suggest asinine gameplay mechanic
>Provide no justification
>People respond with reasons it's asinine, ranging from short answers, to long, well written ones.
>Demand proof, and try to make the argument about burden of proof, or namefagging, identities, thread celebrities - in other words, deflect, and continue to stir the pot
It's the same exact pattern as before. They don't give a rat's ass about the game.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't want a fucking reset, unless the devs make some big ass change with it and even then it'll hurt quite a bit

[Anonymous No.]

You all are schizos

[Anonymous No.]

>>21352779
>he
at least three people said the same thing
>>21351224
>>21351555
>>21351766
Maybe even four? >>21352356 not entirely sure if he's with them or against, kek
But somehow you only target *him*. And why do you want to know who you're talking to, on 4chan? How are the people talking relevant to the discussion? The beauty of this site is that your words are judged on themselves alone. Of course if he posts wallet you'll keep your opinion because you're trying to forcefully prove a point, it's worthless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353091
I assume it's some oldhag who's still salty at zhonk for whatever reason. Did everyone forgot about the menaces we have? Frieren, Holocaust, the chink haaton, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353390
anon... they are all dead...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21352491
>>21353079
The solution is kind of there though - make the adjustment algorithm take some kind of running 2-3 day average or weighted weekly average into account. That would allow Mori to inflate like the other coins. That's assuming that "overbought but still adjusting green" isn't a thing, which not only do I now doubt, but was also never addressed by the devs...
I don't know what exactly to suggest to "fix it", but the "problem" is obvious. The people saying "fix the API" don't get it - you can't get data that isn't there if the API doesn't give it to you - it's not the scraper's fault - that is 100% on Susan's pajeets. But you can try and normalize that data, somehow.
>>21353390
My money is on someone that wants a server-side auto trader.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353390
>the chink
now THAT'S a real menace

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353475
I want a server-side trader, what's wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353535
I never said anything was wrong with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353091
To be completely honest. It became like this because of >>21350150 mistakenly associated 4 posts into one person and because of the post having an avatar when it was unnecessary

[Anonymous No.]

I want to understand that guy vision for his suggestion. If, by some miracle, honk did implement his suggestion. Does he think that players will offload their stacks? What kind of div ROI will be a reasonable ROI for him? 2%? What's the goal here? To make divs a mechanic nobody uses? Does he think his suggestion will improve dividends?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353584
Ok, but server-side trader when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353475
The same API shows that they have tools to change adjustment parameters per coin. There's no reason they couldn't add more to control mori's broken cycle. Mori being so brain dead good for a technical reason is legitimately killing the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353475
Normalizing the data would require some sort of rolling average, but my own experiments with rolling averages show that Mori flucuates wildly with that as well. Maybe not as wild as day-to-day prices, but the rubber band is still getting pulled on more than most of the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21350533
>>21351224
NTA, but then don't read the math if you don't understand it. You were given a plain explanation of why it won't be any fun: You are suggesting a game mechanic that is pre-solved and removes all variability from the game. You're making an actual cookie clicker, but one that will take a few weeks to a month to equalize.
>>21350150
>You are completely undermining the point of being able to recognize a chuuba who is performing better than the previous week or than their peers, you are literally taking away the complexity of the game!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353699
Claiming the first one to tell you to just don't buy Mori lmao

[Anonymous No.]

Hi this is my first week here. Shitposting aside, hour 19 is approaching and I am still have trouble understanding POI in order to make adjustment plays.
It seems like that + day trading is my best option with just about 1 mil.
I have tried to just do the "buy whoever streams that day" tactic and it resulted in 7/12 people who streamed adjusting red for some reason.
If I sort by views and buy whoever is at the top, for instance, Mori who always has top views daily, adjusted red. That is understandable at least, thanks to overbought, but someone else also at the top will adjust red and its hard to gauge for me.
What is the best method to do this because I am simply at a loss.

Also sorry for asking to be spoonfed but I really did do as much lurking as I could before making this post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353699
I meant the YouTube API, not NASFAQ's. The "issue" exists because of how adjustment treats things like going from 1m views to 0 and back to 1m again so frequently, and how much worse that gets when there are little "pit stops" in between.
>>21353769
The only other possible "solution" I can think of is staggered adjustment, either for all coins, or for music channels only. As in actually having the coins float and not adjust when it hasn't been x or y amount of time since the YouTube API updated the data for the channel. Kind of like an active IPO coin. I think that is less than ideal.

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>>21354006
>first week here
fuck you leather man

[Anonymous No.]

>>21354006
Trust your gut is the most important thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>21354011
>The "issue" exists because of how adjustment treats things like going from 1m views to 0 and back to 1m again so frequently
I know, I'm also saying that since it's so predictable, they can mitigate it. It's not like the EN2 boom that no one saw coming, the cycle is very well understood, it's possible for the devs to make it not as wild for mori, who's the only one that severely affected

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>>21354078
Smartass.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>21354006
Look at poi once it's actually updated for all channels, usually by midnight or 1 AM Eastern lately. Look at daily views. Compare that to daily views on NASFAQ. More views? Adjusting up*. An order of magnitude more views? Definitely adjusting up.
Subticks are a thing too. Is the total sub count greater on poi? Adjusting up. Does a channel have a higher daily or weekly subtick showing on NASFAQ than poi, but with the same number of total subs on both? Adjusting down.
How much has the coin moved in value since adjustment? Was it already bought a lot? It might adjust down.
There's more to it, but >>21354144 really says it best.

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>>21354148
Sora is similarly affected. But she's worth less less $ amt profit to be made from day-trading, doesn't get the weekly views it'd take to make her "broken" for dividends, and doesn't seem to swing as wildly as a result. But her price has seemingly been frozen since she became a music channel. Dips to $7k. Peaks around $12k. Floats in between.

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>>21354006
it will take a while but you'll be able to unlock the flow within your body through the observation of the market, once you unlock it everything will be clear

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>>21354148
Oh, and I forgot volume. Sora wasn't a meta-coin before, so she doesn't have the volume it'd take to completely nerf her volatility like Mori. But she'll get there...

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>>21354006
Only a few of us really knows how the game works, most of us are just playing like monkeys and monkey brain see red buy red see green sell green

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353475
The 2-3 day average runs into a massive issue of making adjustments much more muted, though. Less very green coins, less very red coins, since each single-day spike gets mingled with an "average" day.
I also want a server-side trader...

I also want to give my two cents to this whole debate. This is something I'd normally post with an associated picture, but given the, ahem, zeitgeist of the thread right now, I'll stay anonymous.

To everyone supporting Pooled Dividends, here's a quick reasoning why it would be a negative change for the game:
- Currently, Dividends are separate from any player-influenced variable.
- Introducing Pooled Dividends would link Dividend payout to Volume, a player-influenced variable.
- Coins with low Volume relative to their Pooled Dividend would exhibit higher ROI (which is tied to price, but we're averaging out everything since we're talking about long-term strategies), making them more attractive buying target.
- Giving better Returns means those coins are bought more, increasing their Volume, and since Volume is now linked with Dividends via a constant Pooled Dividend, it'll decrease Dividends per coin and thus decrease ROI for the next week.
- Thus, buying a coin with high ROI will decrease its ROI; selling a coin with low ROI will increase its ROI.
- Players /do/ follow roughly the "ideal" strategy when it comes to investing, the difference just comes from optimizing. No one will claim that Ui is a perfect Dividends coin currently, people buy Mori/Miko/Hololive instead.
- Since you only have a limited amount of trades you can make and coin Volume is a large number, there will be "lag" that won't allow for players to perfectly re-arrange their wallets every week just to gear for the next dividends.
- Thus, they will use some kind of average to predict expected Pooled Dividends.
- Any kinks or deviations from that will be slowly hammered out - something that's impossible in the current system, since Dividends are separated from any player activity.
- As such, due to players seeking good deals, the ROI (returns per $ invested) of all coins will trend towards the same averaged value, removing most of the "choice" you'd have when considering long-term plays.
- After a while, it won't matter if you're buying Subaru or Aqua or Nachoneko. They will give you similar average ROI. You just buy whatever is on a discount, and that's both the best short-term play and the best long-term play.

You've effectively removed Dividends as a long-term mechanic for the game. Now all three main sources of profit - Trading, Dividends, and Wallet Appreciation - are dependent solely on coin price.

tl;dr You're creating a player-influenced negative feedback loop that would make all coins mediocre in the long-term, their returns based solely on their price.

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>>21354488
Of course, but for two glorious spikes.

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>>21353475
The 2-3 day average runs into a massive issue of making adjustments much more muted, though. Less very green coins, less very red coins, since each single-day spike gets mingled with an "average" day.
I also want a server-side trader...

I also want to give my two cents to this whole debate. Given the, ahem, zeitgeist of the thread right now, I'll stay anonymous.

To everyone supporting Pooled Dividends, here's a quick reasoning why it would be a negative change for the game:
- Currently, Dividends are separate from any player-influenced variable.
- Introducing Pooled Dividends would link Dividend payout to Volume, a player-influenced variable.
- Coins with low Volume relative to their Pooled Dividend would exhibit higher ROI (which is tied to price, but we're averaging out everything since we're talking about long-term strategies), making them more attractive buying target.
- Giving better Returns means those coins are bought more, increasing their Volume, and since Volume is now linked with Dividends via a constant Pooled Dividend, it'll decrease Dividends per coin and thus decrease ROI for the next week.
- Thus, buying a coin with high ROI will decrease its ROI; selling a coin with low ROI will increase its ROI.
- Players /do/ follow roughly the "ideal" strategy when it comes to investing, the difference just comes from optimizing. No one will claim that Ui is a perfect Dividends coin currently, people buy Mori/Miko/Hololive instead.
- Since you only have a limited amount of trades you can make and coin Volume is a large number, there will be "lag" that won't allow for players to perfectly re-arrange their wallets every week just to gear for the next dividends.
- Thus, they will use some kind of average to predict expected Pooled Dividends.
- Any kinks or deviations from that will be slowly hammered out - something that's impossible in the current system, since Dividends are separated from any player activity.
- As such, due to players seeking good deals, the ROI (returns per $ invested) of all coins will trend towards the same averaged value, removing most of the "choice" you'd have when considering long-term plays.
- After a while, it won't matter if you're buying Subaru or Aqua or Nachoneko. They will give you similar average ROI. You just buy whatever is on a discount, and that's both the best short-term play and the best long-term play.

You've effectively removed Dividends as a long-term mechanic for the game. Now all three main sources of profit - Trading, Dividends, and Wallet Appreciation - are dependent solely on coin price.

tl;dr You're creating a player-influenced negative feedback loop that would make all coins mediocre in the long-term, their returns based solely on their price.

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>>21354893
this. Christ the game needs more randomness, not a sheet simulator

[Anonymous No.]

>no discussions
>dead game dead thread dead chat dead mogu
>discussions happening
>they are just people who want to stir shit and dont give a shit about the game
>after pointing out something about the game

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>>21354786
You can see how becoming a music channel basically turned her into "I can't believe it's not Mori". Slope of all time price is what amounts to inflation in NASFAQ. That peak on Dec 1st is the day it happened. Compare any other coin with similar volume. She's basically stuck with mama prices forever, if my hunch is right.

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>>21355064
sorry too busy doing ur mom

[Anonymous No.]

19th hour, enjoy, etc.

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>>21355129
>19:00:00
nice!

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>>21349015
>>21351466
THANK YOU!!!

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>>21355064
at least learn to read. People are mad at the guy for dismissing the things he asked for ie proof while simultaneously saying nothing on why his idea is good

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>>21355064
It seems the only unforgiveable sin the clique commits is calling people out for being fucking idiots, not reading the thread, or not doing their reps.

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>>21354893
>The 2-3 day average runs into a massive issue of making adjustments much more muted, though. Less very green coins, less very red coins, since each single-day spike gets mingled with an "average" day.
I did say it'd be less than ideal.

[Anonymous No.]

Been wondering this for a while. How do you change the color of your name?

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>>21355413

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>>21355411
This can be counteracted by adjusting volatility by a factor of two though, now that I think about it. Still, all dips/spikes would last two days. And then we'd have UBERSPIKES or UBERDIPS if a coin performs well/poorly twice in a row.

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>>21353615
Not quite.

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>>21353091
>Suggest asinine gameplay mechanic
>People respond with reasons it's asinine, ranging from short answers, to long, well written ones.
I have yet to see any reasons beside, "well, it's obvious, duh"- The fandead was the only one so far that even gave it a try. You're arguing in bad faith.
>Demand proof, and try to make the argument about burden of proof, or namefagging, identities, thread celebrities - in other words, deflect, and continue to stir the pot
...I can't even

[Anonymous No.]

i personally like the arguments about arguing

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>>21355606
There were several people who pointed out the flaws with it, anon. Or one person who repeatedly pointed them out.

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>>21355544
>And then we'd have UBERSPIKES or UBERDIPS
Sounds pretty fuckin' awesome, desu. Would also have the effect of making daytrading more ridiculous.

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>>21352779
My post is >>21351555. Dont really have anything against anyone or our avatarfags, my post was based on my own experience.
I tried saying the same suggestion or argument that got ignored before but with an avatar or telling who I am unlike before, and it got some acknowledgement. It's just a sad thing for me since I don't really want to say who I am as long as possible when posting at the threads.

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>>21355606
>You're arguing in bad faith.
Yes. You are. You somehow miss all of these? Or do they not constitute reasons that are good enough for you? Where is my reason that this is a good suggestion?
>>21343122
>>21348937
>>21349796
>>21354893
>>21355606
>...I can't even
Then don't. Go back.

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>>21353806
>don't read the math if you don't understand it
>implying

>you are suggesting a game mechanic
i'm not suggesting anything you raging faggot. read the spoiler again, very carefully

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>>21355253
when is that nino guy going away? I don't like him

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>>21355253
Congrats on the 88888, hope you're having a good evening

[Anonymous No.]

>>21355445
Don't be mean just tell me, please?

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>>21356018
anon...

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>>21355586
So who's the one that posted that even? I have a feeling that I know who it is since not much of us really uses that word when cussing and it sounded someone that is really knowledgeable how the market works.

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>>21355129
>19:00:00
Outstanding job, good work

[Anonymous No.]

>>21356018
The answer is jeb_

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[Anonymous No.]

ngl the thread is popping today

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>>21356018

[Anonymous No.]

>>21339520
fuck you

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>>21356057
I thought I identified multiple people and then I was second guessing myself... I wish there was a thread ID type of deal so people could be anonymous but people would be able to keep a chain of responses going.

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>>21355903
I read the spoiler, very carefully.
I was replying to both posts. "Nobody is explaining anything" while replying to someone who is. Perpetuating the fucking lie that it hadn't been explained before. Guess what?
It has been this >>10616799 simple since September. It isn't my fucking job or anyone else's to explain eighth grade math to you.
>>10617858 >>10617897 >>10618220
If you're making a suggestion, then you damn well better be able to explain why it's a good idea beyond "it will be fun" the only fucking reason given in support for it back then, by the way >>10617071 >>10616658 up front when people are giving you several reasons why it isn't, if you don't expect it to be shot down.

So now, very carefully, go fuck yourself.

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>>21356271
Then how obtain Jeb? The gacha?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21356520
Yes, or an auction.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't really care about all these posts and all these solutions because they will get ignored like most of the past suggestions. I just want the market to be unpredictable or filled with randomness from time to time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21356566
I swear divs used to have some kind of entropy to them.

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>>21356520

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>>21356598
The smaller coins still are if you want to risk being poor

[Anonymous No.]

>>21356057
I don't know, and it doesn't matter. Pigskin has never been uttered in this general before then, and it wasn't an insult. It was someone making it about the people instead of the arguments. And getting it wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21356566
This. Let me go back to the time we meltdown over a random dip or rise

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>>21356818
That confirms of who I think it is then. I worded it wrong. i wanted to know if it was the one trying to prove his point or the one disproving the other's point

[Anonymous No.]

>>21356598
they never did

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>>21356818
goddamn americans

[Anonymous No.]

>>21357046
>i wanted to know if it was the one trying to prove his point or the one disproving the other's point
wat

[Anonymous No.]

>>21357305
he just wants to make sure who's telling who

[Anonymous No.]

honestly this is much better than shipschizos shit faggotry, keep it up

[Anonymous No.]

Hope you learned your lesson folks. Do not try to change how the game works

[Anonymous No.]

>>21357337
ok, I'll keep shipping

[Anonymous No.]

>>21356548
Thank you

[Anonymous No.]

>>21357337
ships are fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>21357374
have fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>21357400
>>21357488
meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>21357330
Oh.
>Anon tries and fails to explain it's a bad idea
>Anon#2 replies "ok Tampa, plot fun over time for me"
>>21357374
You learned the wrong lesson. The game is in dire need of some tweaks or outright changes. Can anyone else tell the class what they learned?
>>21357460
Happy Jeb-ing.

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>>21357400
>>21357488
>>00
>>88
THEY ARE

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>>21355841
listen here, you absolute waste of air, allow me to indulge you. let's go one by one
>Suggest asinine gameplay mechanic
i did not suggest it, i never claim i did. i even stated i don't really care and that my only problem was the lack of proof from the people opposing it.
>Provide no justification
i don't have to provide nothing. again, i did not suggest it, the devs did.
>People respond with reasons it's asinine, ranging from short answers, to long, well written ones.
(*)
>Demand proof, and try to make the argument about burden of proof, or namefagging, identities, thread celebrities
this was made by several different people, but in any case it shouldn't matter, since that was my argument from the begining.
>in other words, deflect, and continue to stir the pot
go drown in a pond

let me reiterate my argument once again
>i just want people to make coherent arguments either in favour or against it, i don't give a flying fuck about the mechanic per se. a thread celeb said he didn't like it and that was enough to get people against it. no argument, no discussion. miss me with that shit.

(*) let's see the reasons now
>>21343122
>devs said so
devs have the final word in these discussions so this is good enough against the mechanic. however, it fails to address >a thread celeb said he didn't like it and that was enough to get people against it. as that happened before the devs even came to that conclusion
>>21348937
>With the Volume update, the market would equilibrate over a couple weeks into a new stable situation, where surprise surprise, basically every coin gives the same proportion of returns per $ invested through dividends, making the mechanic completely irrelevant.
cool statement, not a proof by any means tho. the market would equilibrate over a couple weeks into a new stable situation? prove it, goddamit. if it's so obvious then proving it should be easy. do it then
>>21349796
>As for proof that every coin will be the same: if you sort coins now, you'll see that their volume is roughly distributed by current or historical average ROI.
that's a good starting point for a proof yet it remains incomplete, continue please. you have to now show how that relation would change under the pooled divs system and its implications. you don't believe it's gonna remain static, do you?
>The math you're looking for is called "functions" and the specific one is "1/x" by the way. Saying it in case this wasn't obvious to anyone who has ever finished primary school.
nvm, this poster has no idea what they are talking about. just saying "1/x" is NOT A PROOF of anything you smug retard. did you even finish highschool?
>>21354893
this one, along with the smart fandead one, are the only good arguments against it. it would have been cool if they had made them months ago when the timeloop first started but better late than never. i suggest you read through this one very carefully to see how one can properly convey an argument through text cause the other posts you've quoted fail terribly at it. and i had not read this one yet at the time i wrote my post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21357337
ships are the backbone of this economy kid, and with the new fandead x deadbeat the market keeps growing healthy
>>21357400
>>21357488
based

[Anonymous No.]

Like a bolt from the blue, it's time for the Numbers Review.
Data collected at cycle 60.

Here's the R.I.C.H. report for today:
>Total Shares in circulation amount to 19,472,183, a 0.57% increase from yesterday's volume
>Average shares per coin is 299,572. There are 27 coins above this average.
>Calliope currently has the highest volume, at 1,871,562 shares, or 9.61% of market volume.
>Pochimaru currently has the lowest volume, at 38,354 shares, or 0.2% of market volume.

Top 5 Volume Increases (of 42):
>Haato :: +3.4%
>Mel :: +3.2%
>Sora :: +2.8%
>Chloe :: +2.4%
>Hololive & Subaru :: +2.1%

Top 5 Volume Decreases (of 23):
>Zeta :: -24.1%
>Ui :: -6.6%
>Aqua :: -4.8%
>Okayu :: -1.6%
>Shion :: -1.5%

2 coins (Rushia, Lamy) had a net 0% change in volume today.
37 other coins had a sub-1% change in volume today.


Here's the R.I.S.E. report for today:
>Starting Liquid is estimated at $203,759.70, which is a decrease of 1.91% from yesterday's estimate.
>Total Market Value for today is $474,035,974,969.45, which is a decrease of 0.9% from yesterday's Market Value.
>Average Value per Share is $24,344.26. A total of 18 coins are above this average.
>Calliope currently has the highest value, at $47,726,178,524.64 in total market value, or 10.07% of market value.
>Pochimaru currently has the lowest value, at $385,574,679.70 in total market value, or 0.08% of market value.

Top 5 Value Gains (of 39):
>Zeta :: +50%
>IRyS :: +29.6%
>Mumei :: +26.5%
>Matsuri :: +23.9%
>Baelz :: +22.1%

Top 5 Value Losses (of 26):
>Laplus :: -28.1%
>Ui :: -27.6%
>Lamy :: -25%
>Aqua :: -22.1%
>Chloe :: -21.6%

1 coin (Noel) had a net 0% change in value today.
22 other coins had a sub-4.5% change in value today.


Here's the F.R.E.E. report for today:
>Today's Superchats totaled to $367,441,478, which is an increase of 68.12% from yesterday's Superchats.
>The Broker made $565,389,572.25 today, a decrease of 3.3% from yesterday's salary.

Top 5 Superchat Increases (of 22):
>Kanaeru :: +16.7%
>Ollie :: +6.9%
>Civia :: +4.8%
>Iofi :: +3.9%
>Mumei :: +3.4%


Here's the M.O.V.E. Report for today:
>3 coins (Civia, Ayame, Rushia) adjusted green, but are still trending upwards.
>2 coins (Aqua, Ui) adjusted red, but are still trending downwards.
>7 coins (Pekora, Coco, Pochimaru, Nabi, Kanata, Kovalskia, Kanaeru) adjusted red, but are now above their pre-adjustment value.
>1 coin (AZKi) adjusted green, but is now below their pre-adjustment value.
>52 coins are on projected trend lines and have not intersected with their pre-adjustment values.

Top 5 Most Volatile Coins (per Hour Average):
>Zeta :: $1060.61 Down lmao
>Hololive :: $471.66 Up
>Calliope :: $399.91 Up
>Haato :: $390.04 Up
>Sora :: $325.23 Up

Top 5 Least Volatile Coins (per Hour Average):
>Ayamy :: $0.37 Up
>Ayame :: $2.43 Up
>Rushia :: $2.90 Up
>AZKi :: $3.31 Down
>Nachoneko :: $4.02 Down

Overall Average movement was $33.01 per hour.
Average Upwards movement was $122.07 per hour.
Average Downwards movement was -$109.48 per hour.

The Financial Underwriters of Comprehensive Knowledge would like to remind you to stay informed, shitpost responsibly, and uhhhh I dunno eat your vegetables or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21357623
I'm pretty sure I wrote exactly that months ago on the Floor... Maybe not broken into step-by-step reasoning, but roughly amounting to it.

[Anonymous No.]

At least this thread was better than the it's the clique's fault thread that was inaposter

[Anonymous No.]

>>21357623
let me reiterate my argument once again
>i just want people to make coherent arguments either in favour or against it, i don't give a flying fuck about the mechanic per se. a thread celeb sai
so its not a suggestion, its a post about trying to start a discussion, but you devolved it to clique man bad. pity

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>>21357623
>a thread celeb said he didn't like it and that was enough to get people against it. no argument, no discussion.
>miss me with that shit.
You first. After you read this >>10605733
>this one, along with the smart fandead one, are the only good arguments against it.
All of the explanations have been saying the same thing - differently. Sometimes in not as many words. The fact that you couldn't understand them makes them poor explanations for you, not bad arguments. None of the walls of text no offense intended, (You) all just have far more patience left than I do and I salute you for it written beyond "all coins will eventually equalize" offer anything that isn't implied by that very fucking sentence to anyone who can answer "yes" to
>did you even finish highschool?
>>21357806
It's in the thread where it was originally brought up. The entire "discussion" has been based on a false premise that nobody bothered checking, and letting this nigger continue to carry on sperging out and wasting everyone's time. We danced.
>>21357819
How do we know it isn't Inaposter? see: >>21357889

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>>21357819
The posts they wrote had small Cliques in it, which exploded from inside their threads. In other words, the crime is possible through trap X! The details of a tiny Clique that they could join anonymously without noticing and that could shit up the thread is a Devil's Proof! I refuse to explain!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21358139
Explain this mikoler https://twitter.com/sakuramiko35/status/1334017308809981953

[Anonymous No.]

>>21358195
S-say it in red! You can't can you?!

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>>21356476
this is lovely, again, one by one
>>10616799 (Dead)
>Once everyone with fat stacks of "good div coins" switches to buying the new "good div coins" we're right back where we started. It won't even last a second week after implementation before it inverts.
cool, they need to justify it now
>>10617858 (Dead)
this is fine but
>The new proposal is easier for us to break than the current system
i'd like to see how he'd personally break the system
>>10617897 (Dead)
this post is in favour of div pools
>>10618220 (Dead)
this is me, you retard. and yes, it's also in favour of div pools

how can someone be this stupid is beyond me

[Anonymous No.]

>>21358195
S-say it in red! Say "The Clique didn't shit up this thread." You can't can you?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21358100
>How do we know it isn't Inaposter? see: >>21357889
>inaposter is still alive
>inaposter is shitting up the thread again
Oh god oh fuck

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>>21357623
>a thread celeb said he didn't like it and that was enough to get people against it.
The only thing you should ever take from me at face value is the reports that I produce, and only because they contain information that anybody can obtain and verify for themselves. I offer convenience in information. Nothing more.
It is not my job nor my desire to tell people how to think, and I have actively fought against attempts to make me that person. I am not the voice of the thread, my identity is not relevant, and I will not be held responsible for people that agree or disagree with my posts, regardless of the logic they or I use to come to those conclusions.
Just as you think for yourself, assume that others are also capable of thinking for themselves. I have never "pulled rank" or "big leagued" or threatened any sort of action or inaction regarding reports I've produced in order to influence public opinion outside of one time where I jokingly said "I'm not glorifying Tower's FUD anymore" when I replaced Towa with the Player's Choice in the early G.U.R.A. reports. I provide information, and people may take it as they wish.
We can trade bantz about how I'm retarded or you're retarded and that's all just good classic 4chan fun, but don't insult me or this playerbase by diminishing people's ability to think for themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21358492
Tower…

[Anonymous No.]

Why do you retards love to reduce all posts you don't like or that "shit up the thread" to your favorite boogie man? Can it not be someone who has a different opinion from you? Does it strictly have to be your favorite schizo who apparently posts all day every week here and makes all the bad posts somehow?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21358463
we need inaposter now actually, thread pretty dead and it's kinda fun arguing with someone with different presupposition

[Anonymous No.]

>>21358492
oh, please, don't get me wrong. i have nothing personal against you, and the times i've disagreed with you i've actually told you to your face. my only problem is with the people taking anything you say as gospel. that's it.

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>>21358599
I'm growing a raw negative energy tulpa in my head out of everything I hate so I can enter a psychedelics-enhanced vision quest in order to kill my dark self and thus end the war that has been waging inside me.
Sorry if this affects the thread, it just has to be done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21357819
>>21358463
>>21358612
Didnt that tako abayod already since the holofes is done unless he wasnt being serious back then

[Anonymous No.]

Best ship

[Anonymous No.]

I just realized that the useless report is dead, and has been for almost a month now

[Anonymous No.]

>>21358705
I don't like people taking my word as gospel, either. I'm a retard with a chart. Sure, I have some knowledge and I know how game maek gud, but I'm far from infallible even in arenas where I'm an actual expert.
I more wanted to make sure people were aware that they shouldn't fucking listen to me without thinking for themselves.

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>>21358912
Didn't The Investigator post it?

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>>21358275
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>>21358951
I don't know

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now that I've re-read the arguments, the concern is not really about the mechanic itself, pooled divs can be good, the problem is the player response about it. side 1 assume that it will bring stale gameplay, that the "new meta play" will be to just buy the lowest volume for the next hot thing. side 2 says it will not i think so?. or that it will fix divs. just delete mori simple as.

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>>21358612
Please no he was polite but he alone can derail the entire thread from 50 to 310

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>>21358988
>pooled divs can be good
Re-read the arguments again. Please.

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>>21359022
Excellent for the engagement metrics

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>>21359035
>>pooled divs can be good
ehem. let me explain. pooled divs can be a good in a new game. not the current nasfaq.

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>>21358951
>useless report dead
>graph posting dead

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>>21358988
We've been in there and honk almost implemented it. Sadly the fun was stopped by people already holding a lot of the hot div coins. I honestly wanted to see the divs from that for the players that holds a lot of garbage coins

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>>21359074
I'm going to engage my fist with your face for a good metric boost

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>>21358322
You're right, it is lovely.
>cool, they need to justify it now
1. They have, it's in this thread.
2. That was the only dead post that was meant "in support" - the rest were examples of being able to at least try and back a fucking suggestion up with some points of your own.
>>>10618220(Dead)
>this is me, you retard. and yes, it's also in favour of div pools
Because you were DIRECTLY given a fucking answer to your retardation THEN.
>>10618296
https://i.warosu.org/data/vt/img/0106/05/1632969709784.png

I was going to say: Answer me instead of moving the goalposts, or continuing to call names: Why do you think pooled divs are a good idea? But now I know what you think.

>>10618220
>Yes, calli does get the same divs as azki. Yes, there's 10 times more callis than azkis in circulation. Sounds like you should stock on shitcoins, right?
>Well, no. Say the amount of coins in circulation increases by 15k for both coin (I'm being generous here, monkey brains will likely sell callis for azkis). Azki would immediatelly go back to being a shitcoin.
Jesus Christ. There are nearly twenty times as many Mori in circulation as AZKi. Where do I start?
You are assuming, extremely falsely, that the dividend "pool" they will both draw from is the same size. They aren't. Mori's "dividend pool" will likely be ten times as big - going off the difference in total views as a benchmark for "channel performance". So AZKi will seem to pay "twice as well" in dividends. It would only take people buying an extra 80k AZKi for them to have "samey" dividends. That's the Top 100 buying 10x for less than an entire fucking week.
>>10618220
>That's the biggest part of this change. Devs can now control how much liquid gets injected into the economy by adjusting the pool sizes.
The devs could do that NOW if they wanted to. What the hell makes you think "pooled dividends" would be drawing from some pre-determined "pool" that is arbitrarily set? That isn't what this was EVER about - it's about making dividends being dished out in portions based on the TOTAL number of shares in circulation and the fraction that you hold. It's about fixing a pie, cutting it into slices, and continuing to cut it up into different sized slices every week, based on how good the pie is looking. Eventually, people WILL figure out how to get ANY amount of pie to cost the same exact amount of money as any other piece of pie, regardless of the size of the slice, or the flavor. That has already been explained.

God damn, for someone that throws stupid around as much as you do...

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>>21357889
>but you devolved it to clique man bad. pity
that was some other anon, i've never mentioned any clique. you really ought to stop thinking that anyone who disagrees is the same person.

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>>21359248
im not a mind reader sorry.

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>>21359191
is this guy arguing with posts from 6 months ago? holy based, I'm sure you'll get a reply soon lmao

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>>21359191
thread is gonna die before i can write a response to this, but ill try

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>>21357819
I've enjoyed inaposter arc more. Because I didn't need numbers and to read thesis-like posts to understand what was happening

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>>21359362
please don't...I don't care. Everything you've written up until now has been "now they need to justify it". I'll only read your justification for your proposal. How do you think pooled divs will work. Christ...

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>>21359290
not a mind reader
lurk moar then. you need to figure out how anonymous forums like this works

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>>21359459
i dont think the "they will just migrate so it gets all even" would play out as fast as you think it does. Its not just flat divs but the current value of the coin that affects roi, so unless youre cypher or triangle that cant move their mori stacks around >gee i wonder why fandead is suddenly so bitchy the current best coin will be more dynamic than you think
i didnt know it was a this bad a time loop when i posted it i came back a few hours later to proof posting clique posting and the return of inafag

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>>21359163
You can look up the divs devchama gave in the F.U.C.K. archive, for example using the week 2 ones Pudding (has a lot of nabi) would get 44M right now according to the wallet analyzer, just using new nabi divs you already get and currently Nabi pays him $2,280,319.54
>Model A
> 25015 * 736.04 = $18,412,040.6
>Model B
> 25015 * 1,232.24 = $30,824,483.6
So pretty retarded increase if you are holding the right shitcoins

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>>21359191
>1. They have, it's in this thread.
then why didn't you quote those instead?
>Because you were DIRECTLY given a fucking answer to your retardation THEN.
quote it, please. also you should be able to notice that post was addressing the idea that divs ROI would fluctuate back and forth week to week, while I'm saying they would stabilise in a week.
>moving the goalposts
never did that
>There are nearly twenty times as many Mori in circulation as AZKi
not true when i wrote that.
>You are assuming, extremely falsely, that the dividend "pool" they will both draw from is the same size
i explicitly say the opposite.
>It would only take people buying an extra 80k AZKi for them to have "samey" dividends. That's the Top 100 buying 10x for less than an entire fucking week.
that's MY point. look at the fucking image you linked, ffs.
>The devs could do that NOW if they wanted to
yes, they could, but if they did that'd act exactly as a div pool .

maybe try practising your reading comprehension a bit

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>>21359698
>Implying I would ever sell Mori
Never.

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die

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>>21359698
I mean, the week isn't hard and fast, it's a guess. Might take a week, might take two, might take a month. Is that really worth it if the end result is the entire market equalizing like that? It takes all of the fun out of the game.
>the current best coin will be more dynamic than you think
Justify that...
>so unless youre cypher or triangle that cant move their mori stacks around >gee i wonder why fandead is suddenly so bitchy
Stop making it about that!
>>21359830
>quote it
I did.
>maybe try practising your reading comprehension a bit
You're not even making any points or any sense. Fuck off.

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Abayo, thread. You were a lively one, for sure.
...I miss Abayoposting...

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>>21359698
you got the wrong deadbeat...

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>>21359965
>You're not even making any points or any sense. Fuck off.
listen, YOU have been misrepresenting my fucking argument for an entire thread and every time i keep trying to correct you. honestly, go fuck yourself. if you are unable to read english then don't engage in the conversation. you're wasting everyone's time.

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>>21359788
And that's the fun part. Those who are already holding the right shitcoins would have advantage over it, since the div will change according to the amount of overall volume of shitcoins, if the rich decided to suddenly buy a huge amount of those coin, their divs payout will get lower and the "right" shitcoin would change to the next shitcoin. For example pochi had the lowest volume therefore would be the most payout, if everyone suddenly started buying her, her volume would beat nana's therefore nana will become the biggest paying dividends if no one buys her in the remaining time.
That's why I said those who opposed it are the rich who would get bankrupt for holding the most amount of hot div coins. Take note that I don't play the game seriously and just for fun and to do what comes to mind.

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>>21360180
What's it like living inside a clothes iron?

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>>21359698
My guy us deadbeats won't sell Mori, and if the rushia situation is anything to go by, the rest will try to dump her, not like it fucking matters, Mori would go from retarded good for everything (except inflation) to retarded good for day trading with how much she spikes

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>>21360180
NTA, but imagine there were no adjustments, only dividends, but transactional volatility stayed the same.

Dividends would function the same as they do right now. The question I pose for you is this:
Would every coin trend towards the same ROI? Or would they dynamically change the ROI they trend towards every week?

In other words, would you have a static, "solved" market, or a dynamic, responsive market?

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>>21360255
BBB stands to be one of the most to gain from shitcoin-benefitting models, and as has already been pointed out, BBB has been one of the most aggressively against it.

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>>21360255
They would get rich for 1 week and then all the prices would go to shit

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>>21360461
Not even the prices - the volumes.

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>>21360513
My bad, that's what I meant, prices = divs they give, which comes directly from volumes going to shit

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>>21360423
>>21360461
Exactly! Imagine all the chaos that comes to it and how will the players react and prepare a method how to balance OR counter it even. That's why I wanted to see it implemented even for just one or two weeks dividends. You all take this imaginary money game too seriously.

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Abayo, thread!