/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>ENs
>seem constantly stressed and restricted by Hololive, hardly stream anymore because they feel chained and can't do anything. Supposedly.
>JPs
>don't seem to mind it at all and most of them still stream frequently, with only a few notable exceptions

I don't understand. It kind of disproves the common notion that everyone in Hololive gets a free ticket to success and is content to put in the bare minimum. You look at HoloX in particular and even though the honeymoon period is long over they're still putting in the effort because they respect the job. I think some people aren't "restricted" at all, they just don't have a good work ethic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759766
>>ENs
>>seem constantly stressed and restricted by Hololive, hardly stream anymore because they feel chained and can't do anything. Supposedly.
>>JPs
>>don't seem to mind it at all and most of them still stream frequently, with only a few notable exceptions
>
>I don't understand. It kind of disproves the common notion that everyone in Hololive gets a free ticket to success and is content to put in the bare minimum. You look at HoloX in particular and even though the honeymoon period is long over they're still putting in the effort because they respect the job. I think some people aren't "restricted" at all, they just don't have a good work ethic.

[Anonymous No.]

Different management. Different fanbase. Different stressors. Ayame a ho though

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759766
>they just don't have a good work ethic
Or maybe they're just less greedy and want to spend more time with their IRL friends and families?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759766
Western women are trash

[Sage No.]

>>20759766
> .jpeg
Do you go out in public looking like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759883
>likes their job
>greedy
Antiwork refugee?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20760628
You can like something without making it your top priority. And it's not like they're hurting for money either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20760898
Sure, but it still doesn't mean that those who actually like to stream and do it often are greedy. You're acting exactly like the cunts who keep calling the members who don't stream as often lazy and ungrateful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20760990
I guess you're right. But I have a hard time believing someone would genuinely enjoy streaming THAT much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20761424
I don't think there is any other explanation for Koyori.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20761472
Well, I mean there is... You just don't like it much.

[Anonymous No.]

>Different corporate hands jammed up different asses in different markets produce different results

I swear some of you fucks have never worked adult jobs before because this corporate shit is totally opaque to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759766
The funny thing is that the JPs are actually way more "restricted" than EN, it's just that the JP girls have much, much more professionalism and get on with the job while the EN girls get depressed and lose their motivation instantly when they get told their retarded ideas are a no go. Lui talked about the differences, JP side plans everything out while EN flies by the seat of their pants, hence all the "EN curse" bullshit and tech difficulties.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759883
Wouldn’t bother explaining what a life is to a bunch of unicellular on 4ch who never touched grass, they wouldn’t understand or have any sense of empathy.

All they want are yabs, and to bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>20762160
Meant to say incel* mobilefag please understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>20761472
Koyori is greedy and is gunning for a position right next to Fubuki and Marine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20762377
>Doing your fucking job is being "greedy"
The absolute state of Amerisharts

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759883
They have much less working hours than people with normal jobs. How much more entitled can you get?

[Anonymous No.]

Lui was talking about this on stream. She mentioned talking to Mori about the differences between EN and JP and they very different. She couldn't say what it was because it's behind the scenes shit. Translated clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyUEPYEXF2o&feature=youtu.be

[Anonymous No.]

>>20762590
silly incel 4channer, have some empathy!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20762377
>Aiming for the top

Why is that a bad thing again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759766
Only two members of HoloX are relevant and the EN branch mogs the fuck out of most of the JPs

[Anonymous No.]

>>20761916
>industry appealing to NEETs and otakus

[Anonymous No.]

>>20762590
They are working smarter, not harder. The company is making money, they're making money... There's nothing specially "entitled" about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20762202
unicellular was funnier, it made me laugh. it's like you're calling them primitive life, incapable of higher function. it also spared me from having to encounter yet another idiot who uses incel as insult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20762914
"Mogging" in terms of subscribers and viewers is a worthless number. JPs "mog" ENs in terms of quality, and make more money than ENs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20761424
You really underestimate some of these girls. The attention has to feel incredible, especially if you were a small streamer before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20762025
That's the other thing about it. Just because you have some restrictions doesn't mean you don't have any freedom at all. JPs know how to work with what they're allowed to do, they get told they can't do one thing, they find something else they can do. Look at a JP channel and it's just every day they've got something interesting lined up, they get told they can't do something, they find out what else they can do and they do it. They display the vast breadth of things that they are actually allowed to do because they make use of every single thing they can get permission for. Meanwhile ENs give up immediately if their first idea gets nixed and then you're looking at "Last stream two weeks ago."

[Anonymous No.]

>>20761472
>hard time believing someone would genuinely enjoy streaming THAT much
there are literal 2views on twitch that streams more than koyori

[Anonymous No.]

>>20763722
Didn't Koyori in particular have a really sad life or something and Hololive saved her from it? She's what happens when someone gets a golden opportunity and takes full advantage of it instead of sitting on her ass and thinking. "Heh. Life is good."

[Anonymous No.]

>>20763909
i wouldn't really call it a sad life, but more like she's been trying to make it for like a decade with pretty underwhelming results in the areas she's tried

[Anonymous No.]

>>20763909
iir, she was a 2view that have grinded for long, shilled herself in r/vyt one time

Ask /#/ about it, they might give you that reddit link, they were the one that found her PL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20763617
Yeah sure whatever, YWNBJ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20764507
あなたは私について何を言ったのですか、あなたは小さな雌犬ですか?私はネイビーシールズでクラスのトップを卒業し、アルケダでの秘密の襲撃に何度も関わってきました。

[Anonymous No.]

E!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

The way I can tell EN actually streams a pretty normal amount compared to JP is that nobody posts those charts comparing stream hours in these threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20760212
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>20763038
It's not like they're doing things to make job easier they are simply not doing their job, that is just lazy, and that's not a good thing when in their job, the moment they stop being relevant it's over, well they can always milk their whales regardless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20767844
It's also a really stupid move considering that if VTubing ever becomes unviable as a career, they'll have to explain the years long gap in their resume.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759766
As long as the cunnys live, I don't care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20763798
EN management is so shitty at communicating that HoloEN initially believed that unarchived karaoke was going to be completely off the table before being told they just had to jump through extra hoops. /hlgg/ dealt with a ton of shitflinging over the exact nature of Fromsoft permissions because the talents gave conflicting information on time limits. Chances are management is telling them no in ways that seem both arbitrary and conclusive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20770699
This is the most NPC post I've ever seen. I'm in awe

[Anonymous No.]

EN's don't see this as a real job and don't see their fans as human beings because they aren't willing to worship everything they do and never criticize them.

[Anonymous No.]

SANA YOU LAZY CUNT JUST GRADUATE EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR BACK IS FINE

[Anonymous No.]

>>20762914
Reminder that HoloX stomps Council in subs
OP is a faggot though

[Anonymous No.]

>>20782610
Cry about it, /pol/tard. What's next, gonna post a wojak? Oh nyoooo, please don't wojak me. Dipshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20781750
The only reason they even figured out a way around it was that Mumei, one of the few ENs that actually still cares about her job, was very determined to do karaoke so she kept pressing and searching until she found out exactly what she had to do and bought the karaoke software and everything. If not for Mumei that really would have been the end of unarchived karaoke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20785081
I don't have to do anything, you're already making yourself miserable through maladaptive thinking

[Anonymous No.]

>>20785859
(mocking voice) I don't have to do anything, you're already making yourself miserable through maladaptive thinking

[Anonymous No.]

>>20785961
Mocking? It's a wake up call mate. You've got like 50 years left on this earth, that's a long time to spend getting irritated by anything and everything. Learning a little tranquility is an investment that will pay huge dividends

[Anonymous No.]

>>20786185
try to give me tranquility?! I"LL KILL U

[Anonymous No.]

>>20770699
>they'll have to explain the years long gap in their resume.
People use resumes?
You never made a name for yourself in anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20770699
>worked at a japanese multimedia company for x years
i don't see why that wouldn't be a good thing on a resume

[Anonymous No.]

>>20785839
Not to knock Mumei, but she essentially did what Moona had been doing for months, because apparently EN management is also behind the curve on copyright and permissions stuff as well as being shitty communicators, though I would say that Henma actually seems to be on the ball compared to the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20791186
>all the incompetent managers get a fuckton of fanart and shit
>the one competent manager gets nothing, not even a design

[Anonymous No.]

>>20766871
I feel like they put about 4h every two days at most. Either get online, talk a bit for 2h and turn off or play something for 4h and peace out for days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20797138
https://vtuber-ch.com/ranking3/?gname=%E3%83%9B%E3%83%AD%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96English
This page tracks how many hours they stream per week. If you want to compare it to JP, here's the link for that:
https://vtuber-ch.com/ranking3/?gname=%E3%83%9B%E3%83%AD%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96

[Anonymous No.]

>>20797598
For my own convenience, I went ahead and put them together into a single image.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20797720
>Sana with stream time
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>20797720
when you actually look at things objectively for that week at least, its not that bad as people make it out to be. koyori simply dwarfs everyone and therses of course the exception that ame did not stream( same goes for ayame), sana barely streaming after weeks and EN having some members with low stream time for this week like gura and ceres

[Anonymous No.]

>>20798988
The thing about this week is even if you use Holofes as an excuse, the JPs still beat the pants off half of HoloEN. Honestly the fact that Kronii of all people is one of the top streamers is amazing, but she also wasn't in Holofes. Meanwhile Kiara and Irys were and they still beat her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759766
It's hilarious that you say this disproves that notion when Holox is doing exactly the same shit as every other gen and at least 3 of them have the same or less hours per week than average. That sounds like a restriction (or carelesness to me)
Really the differences between JP and EN is that the first can bear to treat it like an restricted office job (same amount of hours and days, playing same games and doing the same things while throwing some collab with friends and some special stream every now and then),
as some sort of step of the music idol career they actually want to do and have heavy support for that since that's the direction the company want to take.
They generally don't care about doing new things that aren't the safe trend of the month.
The second one (well, actually just Myth) now wants to do more idol stuff unfortunately but they still enjoy pushing the envelope and doing more things while streaming like more
variety of games and concepts and more interesting variety streams, but the company says no since that's not the direction they want to take and so they have to basically beg them for permission for whatever they want to do and get stressed.
This is why JP praises Ame as some sort of genius for doing basic 3D and VRchat stuff but then never follows up on this for example.
This is why also Lui was talking about how different JP was from EN on how they do things but couldn't talk about the details.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20794775
Henma wasn’t around before Omega made its reveal. Only got a name because she became Ame’s new manager in time for Myth Anniversary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759766
Could it be that the way the management handles things is out of touch?
No. It's the talent who are wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20800902
a

[Anonymous No.]

>>20800902
the management are running the biggest vtuber company in the world while the EN "talent" were mostly nobody 2views or irrelevant before being picked up. most of them still are totally irrelevant

[Anonymous No.]

>>20804064
You're making the claim that just because someone is a manager that automatically means they're competent? And in this job of all jobs where it is in fact the talents doing most of the work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20804526
his claim makes sense than some of them are straight up questionable streamers that were 2view worthy before and some haven't improved much or moved from that mindset. which indeed makes you question the people who hired them in the first place but it's all fine if the brand is strong enough to carry

[Anonymous No.]

>>20806472
Considering how hard the subs plummeted for all the ENs that debuted after Myth I think it's safe to conclude that they just debuted at the right time, when they were the first big corporation to do English VTubers. And the momentum from that has carried them to that day because you have a lot of people who subscribed to those five, said "Alright, this is enough to keep up with" and don't bother with anyone after that. I'd love for them to hurry up and put out a third gen just so it can also underperform and people stop pinning the blame on the Council members they chose in particular, and realize this is just the usual for Hololive from now on. Anyone they could have debuted would have had equally disappointing performance after Myth. Hell if they keep dragging their feet the luster is going to fade even more and they'll do even worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20808275
What'll you do if they preform better than council?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20797720
The pink cat needs to calm down

[Anonymous No.]

>>20808774
She will have a 168 hour week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20808907
It's not work if you love it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20797720
It's worth noting that the JPs tend to have more, but shorter streams, while ENs have fewer, but generally keep them going longer since they focus a lot more on games than JP. I'd be interested to see ID's numbers included here as a comparison as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759766
>posts the one holo with the most blatant preferential treatment and favoritism in recent hololive history
Based JPcel

[Anonymous No.]

>>20809276
Here's the ID numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20809360
A bit higher than EN's average as a group if you account for the number of streamers, but one-to-one, pretty close.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20800309
I want Ame to give her a design. I'm sure it'll be amazing in its own way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759883
God knows they aren't using that time to work on their fitness

[Anonymous No.]

>>20810498
Well Kiara is. But Kiara also has good streaming hours. Can people finally just admit that Kiara is the most professional, hardest working, and all around best at her job?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20810550
Let me preface this by saying I love the ENs and I am not KFP

A lot of Kara's problem early on was her grating personality (the mememememe thing) and chikin voice, but another BIG one I would say is that she was thinking her genmates were gonna be like JP and she got completely turned upside down cause of that. One example that stands out clearly to me is when she talks about Polka, how Polka rolls with the punches and can deal with anything she can throw at her. It's not just Polka, literally every JP has good senses when it comes to collabing and keeping it "professional". They're in there to entertain and they're super aware of it.

Whereas the western approach or at least most of EN seems to approach streaming with I'll just show up and let our personalities do the talking. It's good in some ways, but extremely grating in other ways, making them always seem super unprepared and chemistry is kinda of stilted and slow especially early on.

I would love an EN generation that would go for the more JP route, hell go even more professional, but it feels impossible in a western setting for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>20810876
I can only hope for Kiara to get the nepotism gen so we can finally get something like that from her older circle. But even then it's not that likely that they are english speakers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759766
Its simple anon, jp has haachama.
And when the other jps see what haachama does and what she gets away with, they get this sort of self reassurance of what they could also get away with.
They don't HAVE to go that far but the fact that haachama showed them where the road begins and where it ends helps a lot
I like seeing hololive branches like high-school classrooms, while the teachers may be lenient, it's the students that can bring each other up, help each other out, try new things for others... Etc
I highly doubt anyone in EN would ever go the haachama route, hell I don't think anyone in JP would ever go the haachama route but heebeing her really helped

[Anonymous No.]

>>20810876
Being 'professional' doesn't matter when the content itself sucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>20810944
Kiara doesn't have a circle, she doesn't know anyone who wants to be vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>20811035
Well no shit. I'm just trying to help define "professionalism". There's a distinct lack of seriousness towards the "craft" of entertaining lots of people, whereas in JP, that is #1 priority. Which I'm guessing comes easy to them because of how baked in the whole boke/tsukommi is into their culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20764318
I'm happy for her then. She really does seem grateful to be here and sets high standards for herself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759766
En wanna produce content for you to like
JP is producing content for Cover to like
Simple as

[Anonymous No.]

>>20763909
Afaik she's an old VA who would've still been waiting for her 'boom' if not for Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20797720
Surprised to see Mel at the top of the list like this. Her stream schedule is usually pretty inconsistent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20767844
>they are simply not doing their job, that is just lazy
Their job is to stream and they are streaming. Even if they're not streaming enough for your taste, they are still doing their job and raking in money.

[Anonymous No.]

Both are restricted but JPs just know how to deal with it
EN are still learning plus they're fucking westoids, come on

[Anonymous No.]

>>20759766
>Americans
love freedom, the first amendment and don't like being literally enslaved by a company.
>JPs
naturally submissive and obedient, wouldn't dare to step out of line and defy the superiors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20815457
Why is this pic always accompanied by a shitty/basic opinion?

I don't know who that is buy I hate her for that reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>20815824
cope. white men wrote Japanese constitution

[Anonymous No.]

JP work culture is a lot more "hail corporate" and putting in faces than western. Also a lot of women came from a lot shittier jobs, or at least know that if they can't make it work here, they're going to be stuck with those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20815824

[Anonymous No.]

>>20800024
>>20815457
Why would I want a constant flow of new things which are scuffed in some way and muh freedom when I can have a nice variety of regular simple things like properly organized collabs and utawakus with samey songs but consistently decent singing ability? I'm perfectly fine with watching a slow and steady progress of my oshi. It's rather simple and straightforward path: she talks about everyday things, she plays FOTM games, she practices popular songs and that's about it, but then there are special events like birthdays, song releases, big collabs etc where you can look back and be proud of her for how far she's actually come. I don't need a fucking Ame who wants every stream to be a creatividad party that will be remembered for months and is actually able to pull it off sometimes but then goes into burnout mode for weeks and months. And then her singing, what the fuck do you even do to stay this bad for this long.
>it's about having fun
Fun in supporting idols comes from their progress. The point is that they have to actually show some hard work and improvement. That's why everything I said doesn't apply to Kiara, IRyS and Bae by the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20816792
That's also why their contant is soulless garbage.