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Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:01:09 2022 No.20745680 [Reply] [Original]

HoloEN is finished when homostars english branch releases. Most of these spoiled westoid women are totally clueless about why they even have an audience. They'll force male collabs out of a misguided sense of self-righteousness and demand equality. The ones that are actually smart enough to want to steer clear of males will be peer pressured by everyone else until they give in. HoloEN interest will slowly peter out until another corp pops up to give people what they want and the holoEN girls are reduced to nijisanji numbers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:02:25 2022 No.20745777 Good. If it needs to happen yet again as a reminder then so be it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:03:14 2022 No.20745832 God I wish Fuck EN

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:03:17 2022 No.20745838 File: 1016 KB, 1920x1080, frog.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:04:07 2022 No.20745883 >>20745680 >>20745777 >>20745832 >>20745838 >HoloJP not the only ones getting male'd anymore It's time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:07:38 2022 No.20746084 No. Their views will barely diminish. It's the money what will stop flowing

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:11:19 2022 No.20746320 >>20745838 >NOOoo not the frogerinos!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:13:31 2022 No.20746486 File: 30 KB, 446x398, 1629587043502.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Bypassing my MD5 filter How desperate are you for replies?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:14:36 2022 No.20746546 >>20745680 good, I can finally drop them at once

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:16:06 2022 No.20746638 >>20745680 Frogposters are EOP dramatourists.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:17:00 2022 No.20746689

>>20745680
>They'll force male collabs out of a misguided sense of self-righteousness and demand equality
This really only sounds like something Mori and Bae would do.
Anyway, I’ll believe HolostarsEN when I see it. They’re testing waters, but I frankly have my doubts we’re even getting another gen this year.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:17:54 2022 No.20746758 File: 49 KB, 601x157, 1633295443089.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20746486 I really don't want to give OP anything but just this once, no. There's several le sad pekofrogs.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:22:43 2022 No.20747026

I'm not ready to call it yet. A few of them could be smart enough to realize what's going on and do what JP does in saying that they're "just more comfortable around girls" and generally avoid male collabs.
The only male collabs these would be participating in are those big group collabs where they're just a tiny part. One-on-one, much lower chance.
Peer pressure is a thing, yes, but the smarter ones are not going to put their financials on the line just to placate a colleague.

I foresee two camps forming. They wouldn't be at all hostile to each other, but definitely have different focuses. In one camp you have Mori, Bae, and Irys. These are either personally enthusiastic about male collabs or prone to peer pressure. Then you have the introvert/frugal alliance. This camp would include Gura, Fauna, Kronii and Ame. (Probably Ina as well.)
I'm unsure about Sana, Kiara and Mumei. Sana never streams but seems like someone who would rather spite her fans if pressed. Kiara is savvy to what her audience wants and kind of unicorn-friendly, but is also more pro-collab than most. Mumei has already participated in male collabs, but she was also very quiet and would probably fit better in the introvert club.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:23:09 2022 No.20747046 >>20745680 Yep. I was just reading a thread about what NijiEN is like now, and it sounds like a nightmare. Time to start doing your reps if you haven't alreay, because it looks like EN vtubing is finished

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:36:55 2022 No.20747878 >>20745680 Fuck you pekofrog poster.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:41:20 2022 No.20748125 Didn't they audition for it before, found no one they liked, and pushed it off? I see no reason why that wouldn't happen again.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:44:46 2022 No.20748309

>>20747026
>The only male collabs these would be participating in are those big group collab
That’s the worst. It’s going to suck so hard seeing all these males celebrate New Years and stuff like that with the girls. I din’t know if I’ll be able to watch it anymore and it fucking sucks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:52:54 2022 No.20748720 >>20748309 They'll be doing stuff with the JP stars most likely. Holofes just reconfirmed they want Stars and Hololive to remain two separate entities by redirecting people to their channel for their panel portion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:58:38 2022 No.20748998 >>20748720 Nice to know there’s at least one company out there who realized weebs and fujoshi are basically two different fan bases that happen to enjoy one medium, and that’s why it’s dumb to force us together.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:06:28 2022 No.20749423

>>20747026
>I'm unsure about Sana, Kiara and Mumei.

Sana would probably tag along with Bae just because she doesn't take any of it too seriously. Kiara respects idol culture too much, and would be terrified of unicorn backlash (although she'll constantly hint at it during superchat readings). Mumei would probably go introvert about it like Gura/Ame.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:24:04 2022 No.20750336 >>20747026 Ina would almost certainly male collab to further discourage unicorns. Kiara is too number hungry to be pro male initially but will probably go along with it if she sees enough of the other girls do it first.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:36:16 2022 No.20750928 >>20745680 i will wait and see, but im ready to jump ship

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:40:51 2022 No.20751163 >>20745680 WHAT DOES THE REDDIT FROG HAVE TO DO WITH THAT? WHAT DOES THE REDDIT FROG HAVE TO DO WITH THAT?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:55:04 2022 No.20751877 >>20745680 Worrying about things you can't control is pointless. At the very least, it should be good for some funny threads. I need an excuse to drop all en vtubers anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:56:14 2022 No.20751946 File: 563 KB, 419x559, 1633906788982.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20745832 >>20745680 >>20745832 God, imagine the amount of cope you all have for male chubbas. Go back to Nijisanji.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:57:30 2022 No.20752003 File: 118 KB, 602x666, GigachadFace.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20751877 You are not Japanese

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:58:43 2022 No.20752068 >>20745680 I trust management to prevent this from happening.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:59:24 2022 No.20752093 >>20752003 and that's why he should stop watching enwhores who think they are

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:59:58 2022 No.20752116 >>20752003 No, but I will become japanese

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 17:03:41 2022 No.20752268 >>20747026 i will never forgive mori for dragging irys into her bullshit. irys is literally the perfect chuba for me and i hate having to force myself to watch all her collabs with the lean wigger.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 17:05:34 2022 No.20752350 >>20752093 Ok, we can avoid Mori and Kiara but still. He should understand that they are not Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 17:14:13 2022 No.20752701 >>20752268 Yeah, I feel the same way whenever my own oshi collabs with Mori. I just want to watch cute girls doing cute things. Mori is like the living antithesis of that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:07:16 2022 No.20755076 >>20745680 You're underestimating how much of a cuck westoids are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:08:43 2022 No.20755146 >>20745680 Ogey, doomposter-chama.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:11:20 2022 No.20755296 >>20747046 Link me up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:20:30 2022 No.20755715 >>20747026 >Ame Lol, this is how I know you don't follow Ame at all. She already interacted with the Stars and tried to get a collab with Shien in the past.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:21:49 2022 No.20755783 /vt/ is always right so OP's post checks out

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:21:57 2022 No.20755789 >>20751163 I don't see you complaining about the reddit model >>20752003 who is actually loved by reddit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:25:08 2022 No.20755909 >>20746084 And in the end, isn’t that the only thing that’s really important?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:25:26 2022 No.20755918 File: 544 KB, 500x500, 1632417550001.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >just two more weeks until homoEN

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:28:15 2022 No.20756033

>>20752068
Management won't do shit. For like 99% of western vtuber fans the collab ban between Stars and Hololive effectively never existed since they all started watching in 2020 with Gen 4, and since then collabs between both branches happens like once a month. It's all on the talent to organize collabs and neither side has a lot of interest to do it. I doubt EN will be much different since only 3 of them ever collabed with the Stars and honestly only Rrat has any interest in being their friend. I swear this exact same thread happens every goddamn week ever since they announced the open auditions.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:29:55 2022 No.20756120

>>20746689
>something Bae would do
you misunderstood. Bae admires holostars and only gives a fuck about them. Not every e-male is attractive to her.
In her debut she literally put some holostars in her "oshi list" because she genuinely likes them. This is further supported when she started crying for them during that one stream.

Now wether she gets turned on by them is a question on it's own

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:32:31 2022 No.20756240

>>20746689
>Mori
Practically forgot about the Stars after the Spiral Tones cover contest. Only interacts with them when they talk about her music and is more interested in Luxiem.
>Rrat
You never watched her if you believe this. She's a lot like Fubuki in this regard and will never force other people to collab when they don't want to.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:34:24 2022 No.20756340

>>20755715
To be fair, if it happens rarely enough that people can miss it, then that’s a sign Ame has way better judgment than NijiEN. No one actually cares if a guy shows up on screen once in awhile. Nobody wants the guys constantly barging in for impromptu collabs half the fucking time when it’s just the girl alone on the thumbnail, nor do they want guys showing up so often that people who don’t want to watch those streams have to miss out on half their oshi’s content.

It’s the easiest thing in the world to not fuck up, and for some reason, I feel like the girls have that tiny bit of common sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:35:02 2022 No.20756375 >>20745680 >homostar you mean brostars?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:36:47 2022 No.20756456 >>20745680 Pepeko

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:38:31 2022 No.20756536 >>20748720 Lui confirmed that HoloJP is completely different from HoloEN behind the scenes. So don't apply the same logic to both.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:39:34 2022 No.20756587 >>20745680 Yea, if they start pushing HolostarsEN collabs, im done. Save that shit for indies. I've purged my youtube feed of any holostars and have stopped it from getting recommened.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:39:59 2022 No.20756613
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I'M TELLING YOU GUYS YOU CAN FORM AN ALLIANCE WITH FUJOSHI TO KEEP MALE AND FEMALE VTUBERS AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. YOU BOTH HAVE THE SAME GOAL, YOU'RE JUST DIFFERENT PEOPLE. WE CAN ACCOMPLISH A COMMON GOAL BY BEING MORE VOCAL AND ACTUALLY GIVING INPUT TO THESE COMPANIES INSTEAD OF STANDING ON THE SIDELINES WATCHING FAKE FANS GET THEIR VOICE HEARD INSTEAD OF OURS. IT'S WORKING FOR NIJISANJI, IT CAN WORK FOR YOU TOO SINCE YOU HAVE THE BIGGER AUDIENCE. LET US RIDE INTO THE SUNSET TOGETHER.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:41:27 2022 No.20756684 >>20745838 kek.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:42:11 2022 No.20756719

>>20745680
Naw, holostars EN management will probably discourage any en star bothering the ENs.
Holostars EN will be like the JP EN, will mostly collab with indies, nijinigs, holoid girls.
Mori will be a driving force in making aom chit chat collabs with them, she seems to enjoy talking to the bros and I think she craves it after all the cackling with the girls. The rrat will make her rounds at least in the beginning teasing and testing all of the members, so will Ollie.
We will probably not see many normal collabs apart from on a branch or company wide level that happens a few times a year.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:44:51 2022 No.20756845 >>20756587 Oga reminds you of the bully who cucked you in school eh?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:45:28 2022 No.20756877 >>20747026 I want to believe this, if only because it's how I thought things would be when nijien brought their males. But we see how that turned out, so I have little faith in all the girls not just giving in and collabing with them a lot

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:46:02 2022 No.20756906

Unless the guys are sexpests I'm not really worried. I think most of the girls could honestly collab responsibly without it being a problem.
IRyS is the only one I would be iffy on because she goes in on the GFE but also even if she doesn't actually go down bad, I feel like she'll definitely say something suggestive absent mindedly and rile up a lot of people

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:46:08 2022 No.20756908 do your before debut Bae discord reps she is down bad for them

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:46:13 2022 No.20756911

>>20756719
>indies, nijinigs
Maybe JP and ID ones. Most likely no EN ones
>Mori will be a driving force in making aom chit chat collabs with them, she seems to enjoy talking to the bros
She barely talks with the current Stars. It's way more likely that Rrat and Ollie will be the ones collabing more frequently with them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:49:02 2022 No.20757030 >>20756719 Dude, Omega was literally shittalking people on Reddit for being against male collabs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:49:49 2022 No.20757073 >>20746689 not just self-righteousness, they will collab with them because they will pitty their numbers, and will try to saviorfag them. people like Ame and mumei are too kind to decline

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:52:34 2022 No.20757205 >>20757030 source?

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:53:39 2022 No.20757248
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>manages to collab with homos
>improves homos sympathy and boost their subs
>improves her own sympathy and views
>to not get any bashing for it
>on the contrary create her own Holo/Homo group with Oga as FoxDemon and fans of both party love it + no idol drama

EN could never

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:54:03 2022 No.20757266 >>20757205 Reddit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:54:58 2022 No.20757311 >>20757073 more like so kind they'll decline LMAO

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:58:08 2022 No.20757448 I don't mind male collabs. I care more about their personalities. If they're nice like the Holostars and understand their boundaries then I'm fine with some collabs every once in a while.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 18:59:26 2022 No.20757500 >>20755296 >>20724054

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:01:05 2022 No.20757565 >>20757030 Wasn't that T-chan? Last time I checked Omega wasn't one of the Reddit moderators

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:02:42 2022 No.20757633 >>20745838 i miss this anime

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:03:36 2022 No.20757676

>>20748720
>>20748998
I wouldn’t bank on it. Remember EN doesnt have gens, who is to say they’ll keep Stars separate, if they even have ‘StarsEN’ at all. Note that they said male auditions are open for HololiveEN - they never said anything about HolostarsEN, meaning they might be mixed in the EN gen.
>>20756536
This.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:05:07 2022 No.20757734

>>20756340
NijiEn is a lot more collab friendly in general- men and women. They practice games and shit offstream and sometimes will stop streaming but continuing playing the games in collabs when they get too tired to stream but still want to play together. Holos don't have that sort of relationship so there is no danger there.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:14:29 2022 No.20758071

>>20745680
All of HoloEN collabs with Hololive JP yet most of them want nothing to do with the existing Stars? What makes you think them speaking English is going to make any difference?
Language never stopped Fauna, Ina, Sana, Kronii, Gura and others yet the homos being male did

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:15:53 2022 No.20758129 >>20757073 If she cared about that shit Ame would have collabed with the existing homos already, language never stopped her form doing several Apex streams with Roboco

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:15:59 2022 No.20758132 >>20758071 the homos also have shit numbers lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:16:52 2022 No.20758177 >>20757248 Tell me you're a newfag, without telling me you're newfag.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:17:57 2022 No.20758221

>>20757676
>meaning they might be mixed in the EN gen.
It's fucking over for HoloEN if that happens because it means that inviting HoloEN to an event would mean inviting males, so no Sports Festival, Holofes, Summer Festiva, MarioKart tournament or any Hololive wide event for them

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:19:36 2022 No.20758286 >>20748125 That's why they're not advertising it as HolostarsEN anymore, they realized Holostars as a brand is poison, still Holostars but they're trying to trick people into thinking they're applying for HoloEN and not HomoEN

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:21:28 2022 No.20758369 >>20758286 If they actually go through with that and don't call them Holostars it will be a massive spit on everything the current Stars, their staff and their fans did over all these years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:21:51 2022 No.20758387 >>20756719 >company wide level that happens a few times a year. None of the company wide collabs include Stars

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:22:54 2022 No.20758417 >>20758369 I don't see why they wouldn't spit on them when after sinking so much time and effort into them they're still failures

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:23:15 2022 No.20758439 >>20745680 Hololive doesn't have a fag flag logo and isn't half as queer friendly as some corps. Therefore, they won't have the homosexual fanbase needed to make their male vtubers popular.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:24:08 2022 No.20758477 >>20758439 You know women exist, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:25:23 2022 No.20758530 >>20758439 The existing homos have tried to fujobait a lot, it's just that no one cares

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:25:28 2022 No.20758531 >>20758369 >did over all these years. fail?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:28:04 2022 No.20758631 >>20751946 You have some nerve Hoshicuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:29:49 2022 No.20758700 >>20758477 No, I didn't know about that until now, thanks for telling me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:30:30 2022 No.20758735 There is nothing wrong with Stars/Live collabs and these are generally very funny when they happen. If you think otherwise you are a fujoshit or a GFE loser.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:31:05 2022 No.20758759 >>20758735 Most of the girls don't want them to happen

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:32:22 2022 No.20758819 >>20758759 Shit coward chuubas don't. Based Fubuki doesn't care.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:32:26 2022 No.20758820

>>20758735
I love it when the JPs are allowed to collab. I wouldn't be concerned about holostars EN if I thought they were going to be holostars JP but in english, but as someone who also loves NijiJP, the NijiEn boys have absolutely ruined my opinion on potential male vtubers in the west if that's what the top of the talent pool looks like.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:32:53 2022 No.20758841 >>20757266 >expect me to visit that awkward middle ground nope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:34:04 2022 No.20758890 >>20758820 >I love it when the JPs are allowed to collab They were always allowed since December of 2019.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:34:40 2022 No.20758912 >global getting spammed with homoEN Can't wait to see the seething Goslings

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:35:35 2022 No.20758956 >>20758820 NijiEN males do the exact same thing female Holos do or are you going to pretend no one in Hololive does ASMR, couple shipping and GFE?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:36:43 2022 No.20759011 I am dreading StarsEN. I know they're going to be very unfunny streamer bros.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:37:27 2022 No.20759046 >>20759011 So just like the current Stars, if that's the case they're going to fail and you won't hear about them again a week after debut

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:38:04 2022 No.20759081 >>20759046 Silence, secondary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:38:19 2022 No.20759084 >>20756845 Sorry, I don't know who that is. Like I said I've purged any holorstars, so other than the robbero guy that I tried watching, I don't know any other ones.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:42:23 2022 No.20759245

Omega will definitely force male-female collabs to try and normalize that culture in HoloEN just so he can finally make his debut without worrying about a backlash. This will be successful in the short term because the Redditors will see a opportunity to make a point, then they will stop watching streams after 3 days as always and the true fans that don't want any of that shit will drop as well leading to a disaster in the long term.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:46:24 2022 No.20759440

>>20758956
Even NijiJP talents have commented multiple times on how ridiculously hard the EN boys pander. It's actually a completely unheard of level of public pandering and it's disingenuous as fuck to compare them to anyone else.
Holos have been infamous for being careful about their ASMR after the first YouTube purge and a pairings are largely incidental or played softly when they're acknowledged. Lines are even openly drawn in most GFE.

And this is before comparing them to NijiJP boys where the top line primarily avoids any sort of pandering outside of special divorced events and merchandise. Ago and Kuzuha made their numbers entirely off of entertainment.

You're a fucking bottom feeder among EOPs to pretend that NijiEN boys are doing the same thing as any JP talents. Luxiem comes on each other during casual streams completely unrelated to BL gimmicks and Vox in particularly is especially bad about advertising streams with sex appeal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:48:04 2022 No.20759515 >>20759440 >Even NijiJP talents have commented multiple times on how ridiculously hard the EN boys pander. Timestamps

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:50:31 2022 No.20759614 >>20758956 >ASMR Too gay >Couple shippings hetshit >BFE Het ships

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:58:13 2022 No.20759941

>>20758177
If we still had like/dislike ratio I could prove you're spelling bullshit out of your ass but keep seething no one actually dislike the Holo/Homo collabs, JP just don't need it because in the end Homos aren't as talented and marketable as Holos
>/vt/ screenshot of unicorns hating Foxdemon
5 schizos don't count faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:04:59 2022 No.20760219 >>20745680 >They'll force male collabs out of a misguided sense of self-righteousness and demand equality. kek this is the male vtuber fantasy. every single one of them is a sex pest

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:07:56 2022 No.20760310 >>20759440 >NijiJP talents Only Utako commented anything and she said it appealed to her, you fucking idiot. Your double standards are disgusting, it shows clearly that you have no self-awareness and doesn't watch NijiEN males at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:07:59 2022 No.20760312 /vt/ is an alternate dimension, I don't see anyone say things like this outside of /here/ and people who I have seen saying things like this outside of /here/ are clearly containment breakers, (You) guys are in for a very rude awakening

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:11:22 2022 No.20760447 >>20760312 >the unwashed midwit masses have zero pattern recognition and only start hating things after they see the damage firsthand We know.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:12:19 2022 No.20760486

>>20759941
Irony. Because if we still had like/dislike ratio I could prove you're the one spelling bs. Fubuki got heavy backlash when she start collabing with homos. Her early collabs got heavy amount of dislikes. Yes, with time she filtered the most toxic unicorns and her collabs stopped being targeted with dislikes, but don't act like this never happened.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:12:34 2022 No.20760493 >>20760312 >I don't see anyone say things like this That's why they say it here, nowhere else can you say such loser virgin-y things without getting made fun of, and even here that occasionally happens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:14:06 2022 No.20760565 >>20760312 Anonimity and lack of censorship allows for more varied opinions than the NPC infested of twitter or reddit that cancel anyone who doesn't think in the same way

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:14:56 2022 No.20760589 >>20760312 no we arent, this scenario already played out multiple times (even with non vtubers) nobody talks about it outside of /here/ but a lot of people whill drop EN, slowly and silently.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:16:17 2022 No.20760645

>>20759941
Are you retarded? Just because jp viewers don't say anything doesn't mean they like it.
Compare concurrent viewers of the same type of stream with and without male collabs for them.
Even fucking mori got shit view count for collabing with Rikka even though almost no negative comments.

Most people at least have the decency to not watch the stream or leave hate comments, doesn't mean people liked it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:18:26 2022 No.20760733 Fubuki's collabs with Stars used to have alot of dislikes back in the day, don't know if this changed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:21:43 2022 No.20760852 >>20760645 >Are you retarded? Just because jp viewers don't say anything doesn't mean they like it. This is the most telling, during the MonHun arc a Solo FBK stream would get double the viewership than a collab with the negro

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:22:53 2022 No.20760911 I hope they at least learn from NijiEN. Sure, the boys get great numbers but the girls lost a bunch after they started going wild with the male collabs

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:29:54 2022 No.20761210 >>20760911 >girls lost a bunch after they started going wild with the male collabs This just isn't true. CCV and sub growth has been up for all the girls since Luxiem debuted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:31:19 2022 No.20761277 >>20761210 Well, that's because it's already a part of Nijisanji's culture unlike Hololive. Different fanbases.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:41:21 2022 No.20761686 >>20761277 No its because the girls were doing shit and so picking up a few fans of luxiem was a bigger boost than any unicorns leaving

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:43:35 2022 No.20761787 >>20761686 The fact still stands that they're different fanbases.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:52:59 2022 No.20762182

Seriously they're making a mistake with this holostarEN.
The dynamic of HoloEn as a whole will change because of this.
All the people here thinking that holoEn isn't gonna interact with the stars are deluding themselve, think about it.
The Western Fanbase will dogpile on the girls if they dont interact with them, its going to be bad publicity these fuckers are already loud enough about the starJp when they dont understand them and dont even watch Them.
So there is no chance in in hell That myth and Council dont include them in atleast some of their big events like the christmas collab or the halloween one.
Idk what they were thinking with that move.
Notice that none of the EN girls are even talking about it, none not even Mori.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:54:00 2022 No.20762230 >>20762182 Western fanbase didn't dogpile on the JP girls for not collabing the Stars JP though, the opposite actually.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:54:45 2022 No.20762258 >>20762230 that's because the ones that will dogpile EN can't speak JP because they're fucking losers.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:02:48 2022 No.20762552

>>20762182
It's genuinely baffling that they're doing this. It puts the girls in such a bad position, either they collab with StarsEN regularly and lose a big chunk of their audience, or they don't and get endlessly harassed by redditors. Either way EN is just going to be endless drama after they debut, and it's highly unlikely they're going to replicate even half of Luxiem's success. I can believe that EN management is stupid enough to do this, or even that they have an agenda for doing this, but I have no idea why Cover signed off on it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:04:23 2022 No.20762610 >>20762552 It could very well just not happen at all. This is the third time they have opened auditions for EN males so it's pretty transparent that they didn't like anyone who applied

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:15:50 2022 No.20763149 Unicorns aren't real. They pretend to care about purity but when push comes to shove they stick by the streamer. Michael Cat was getting probed by an alien and she still came back to big numbers.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:18:08 2022 No.20763236

>>20762610
Then they should have killed the idea when everyone forgot about it, The management pushed this StarEn thing in the limelight yet again so it seem like they are determinated about this.
And if this rrat about them being directly integrated into HoloEN is true well fuck me you can forget about HoloEn being invited in the japanese big events like mario kart or HoloFes I hope the management is not retarded enough to do this but the way they have marketed the ENstars is weird.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:18:52 2022 No.20763264 >>20763149 Sure thing. Still doesn't change the fact that the majority of Hologirls aren't interested in male collabs.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:20:21 2022 No.20763318

>>20762182
tbf, I wouldn't read too much into "none of the EN girls are even talking about it", that has probably just more to do with the fact that they don't actually have much to talk about wrt to the applications, because Cover doesn't exactly shares their plans for new gens and other company stuff with the talents, they are left in the dark almost as much as the viewers are. It was similar when the gen2 applications where happening and before Council debuted, the Myth girls didn't really have all that much to say about this either, besides general "well good luck to anyone, we don't know anything either because they don't tell us shit"

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:23:10 2022 No.20763417
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Ok lets go over this.

>They are going to be totally invasive like Nijisanji because look at Luxiem!
Do you think Luxiem had to leech off a bunch of female 3views to get where they are? They were mogging the girls even before they debuted. The intersex collabs are literally a debuff.

>HoloEN is totally different than HoloJP
Prove it. As far as I can see they are held to JP standards even when it doesn't make sense, like calling into meetings at 3am or using fax machines for perms. The only thing I can think of is them collabing with vShojo when Coco got shot down for wanting to collab with Melody, but Melody is literally a porn girl.

>Holostars will actually be Hololive Gen 3!
No. Holofes just reconfirmed they are committed to the Stars brand when they redirected viewers to the Stars channel while also debuting a Stars gen 4. You dont think putting men in an actual Hololive gen would be shitting all over their efforts in that area and damaging to the brand overall? Even if it was only an EN thing, they don't exist in a bubble and JP fans would be pissed as it would spell uncertainty for them as well. No, they want to drive traffic EOP traffic to the stars channel and maybe some of them learn and watch the JPs, elevating the whole branch.

>Redditors will force the girls to collab with them!
I fully expect that when their collab ban is over there will be several 1 on 1 collabs with members like Bae and Mori. Most will ignore it or say they're busy. But after a month and some collabs have happened, "activists" will probably shut up about it as the novelty will have worn off and things will return mostly to normal. I also dont see them going to full Myth & Council collabs because again, despite being in the EN branch, they are still a corpo Holopro and its just not how things work. EN follows JP lead in these matters and it would make the JP stars look like lepers if Stars did full collabs and they couldn't. They couldn't even give EN subtitles during Holofes - do you think they care much about EOPs or are going to let them dictate the future of Hololive?

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:24:49 2022 No.20763474

>>20763264
But the Twitter crowd and Redditors told me that they would love to collab with men and that they're just scared of their fanbases.. are you telling me that they don't actually know anything about these girls or even watch them outside of clips..?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:28:22 2022 No.20763600 >>20763474 Not only they don't watch the girls outside of clips they can't even name more than 2 of the Stars, and I'm being generous here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:34:09 2022 No.20763854 >>20763417 >Prove it. Lui literally said that, retarded thread watcher.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:36:05 2022 No.20763932

>>20762552
>I can believe that EN management is stupid enough to do this, or even that they have an agenda for doing this, but I have no idea why Cover signed off on it.
Maybe it's not a matter of them necessarily wanting it, as >>20762610 mentions that they still haven't released anything even after all this time. It could be more of a business matter forcing them; Luxiem was able to show that male EN Vtubers could work, that they did better than expected, and pretty much got more eyes on NijiEN, similar to how HoloMyth proved that EN vtubers could work and was able to get more eyes on Hololive. Cover's now in this weird position where they have to decide on either not bothering with Male ENs and handing that entire talent pool and viewbase to Nijisanji on a silver platter, or take a risk and respond in kind by looking into releasing your own En Stars to compete, which is the reason why they informed people they were still taking male application soon after Niji announced more auditions.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:45:59 2022 No.20764365

>>20745680
you guys are retarded as fuck
you never fuck "in family", how you tried being party go an entertainment group i.e. band, acting troupe, ect, whilst fucking another member?

it always ends in tears

honestly more realistic is (as a proxy of networking which will happen by simple virtue of being part of the industry), that one of the Holos ends up fucking one of the Nijis

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:48:54 2022 No.20764491 >>20764365 Yeah, people never knowingly fuck people even though they know it'll end badly! when people are this retarded you can't tell if they're ESL or not even with the busted grammar

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:02:35 2022 No.20765136

>>20762552
I honestly think you people give too much credit to western unicorns. I'm willing to bet the actual amount of legitimate unicorn whales in the EN fandom is negligible at best and that the average fan that's willing to superchat won't give a shit about male collabs happening every once and awhile. They won't watch males, but as long as they aren't barging into member streams or attention whoring in an ASMR stream they won't give a shit. Westoids are weak when it comes to throwing shit fits about MUH MALES are willing to suspend waifu illusion for collabs.

>>20760911
This isn't true at all, they've been inclining since the males showed up
>>20761277
Now you're literally moving goal posts
>>20761787
Then why did you use it as an example for what would happen to HoloEN?

>>20763417
>Prove it.
You're a retard if you think they aren't held to different standards, especially since the talents themselves have said as much.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:15:45 2022 No.20766066

>>20765136
I think you're wrong to assume HoloEN's fanbase will react to males the way NijiEN's did. Most of HoloEN has never collabed even once with men for over a year and a half, to suddenly have regular male collabs will be a drastic change. And, like it or not, the vibe of mixed gender streams is completely different from female only ones. I don't think there are many westerners who will rage and burn their dakimakuras, but I do think that there's a significant number who will just quietly tune out after the product they've enjoyed suddenly becomes completely different

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:20:18 2022 No.20766383

>>20763318
Personally im just going to miss the only girls vibe they had going on and thats why I watch and was attracted to Hololive it would be like the eezygang introducing girls into the mix.
Maybe my real life was fucked up but in almost any group of friends I had thing's changed when the other sex was introduced.
It's not going to make a difference if it's the collab are only once in a while but since Luxiem is the standard of male vtuber in the west I think hololive will try to replicate them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:21:44 2022 No.20766476 >>20745680 Yeah, most likely the casuals will start watching the males more, while the gachikois will get pushed away when the girls start giving more attention to the male streamers than their own audience.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:25:04 2022 No.20766739 >>20766383 >>20766066 Fuck wrong anon sorry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:27:12 2022 No.20766916 >>20756613 I'm not that much into fighting. But I'll stand in solidarity with the fujos, yes, even the male-hating ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:28:21 2022 No.20767012 >>20758819 Don't drag my oshi into this 'onegai'

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:29:06 2022 No.20767076 Sorry, I meant this>>20766383for this >>20765136.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:31:56 2022 No.20767338 >>20757676 It's called HoloStarEN, not HololiveEN. Different branch, different management.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:35:01 2022 No.20767587 All of the male indie vtubers I've seen are not entertaining and give off strong creep vibes. If this is the pool where they come from they will definitely create some kind of metoo situation that will end holoEN. It's such a bad idea.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:38:37 2022 No.20767908

>>20767587
There is not much motivation for a normal dude to become a vtuber instead of a normal streamer unless he's like really ugly or weird in some way so yeah that's the pool and probably way hololive keeps failing to find EN dudes they want to sign.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:43:46 2022 No.20768376

HolostarsEN most likely will have a 1 month collab ban like most gens.
I am sure some girls like Mori and Bae will do collabs once possible. Depending on the performance of these collabs they will be more often or not, but I don’t see HoloEN collab as often as NijiEN does between male and females in any case.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:44:49 2022 No.20768477 >>20768376 >but I don’t see HoloEN collab as often as NijiEN does between male and females in any case. Of course not. HoloEn collabs a fraction of NijiEn as is right now.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:45:07 2022 No.20768507

>>20765136
>You're a retard if you think they aren't held to different standards, especially since the talents themselves have said as much.
If whoever said this didn't elaborate then it doesn't really matter what they said since they could mean anything. Hell them saying that is probably being taken out of context since Im assuming you heard this from a clip. Besides only someone like A-Chan would actually know the inner workings between branches; most JP have an extremely superficial understanding of anything outside their branch.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:46:06 2022 No.20768582

>>20767908
Is the competition really that bad?
I played with the thought for a long time, because I like the anonymity of an avatar and want to see what is possible with the technology, but I thought to myself "eh, who wants to know my ESL thoughts about decentralization, mindfulness, the outdoors and factorio anyways?" I don't think my tastes and personality are really compatible with the average vtuber audience, but my curiosity may gets the better of me.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:58:15 2022 No.20769596

>>20768376
The first few streams will get a boost in viewers because of the novelty and it'll be seen as a greenlight to go crazy with male collabs. Then after a couple months of hemorrhaging viewers they'll try to damage control but it'll be too late.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:01:27 2022 No.20769845 Wonder what the unicorns on Reddit and Twitter will use to justify why the males and females don't interact with each other. My bet is that they'll say they're just copying the style of HoloStarsEN, where they're self contained.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:02:04 2022 No.20769909 >>20745680 I'll just stop watching EN girl that collab with them when it happened

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:07:10 2022 No.20770466 >>20758221 i cant wait to have the EN homos in the JP EN ID minecraft server!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:08:23 2022 No.20770602 >>20758477 meds

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:10:15 2022 No.20770822 >>20767338 Where have you seen HolostarEn be officially used?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:10:20 2022 No.20770833 >>20770466 Shinove would curbstomp their ass

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:11:35 2022 No.20770996 >>20770822 https://holostars.hololivepro.com/en/audition/

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:15:22 2022 No.20771355 File: 60 KB, 200x200, 432560.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i want to see their numbers drop continuously until they eventually back-pedal to the no stars collab law once they realize the true power of their gachikoi fanbase

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:17:23 2022 No.20771636 >>20770996 Thats holostars retard. Here is the link they're using for the male HoloEn. https://en.hololive.tv/audition

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:18:37 2022 No.20771795 I don't really understand the "Female interacts with a male, that means they're fucking" Mindset.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:21:07 2022 No.20772032 >>20771636 It goes to the same form brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:28:01 2022 No.20772859 You just know one of the starsEN is gonna cultivate a fanbase of fujos that will seethe if they collab with a w*man

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:31:08 2022 No.20773199 >>20745680 There's a reason why they have managers you retard. Cover will still maintain the same culture they have at JP with EN to avoid any unnecessary complications with the business.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:34:39 2022 No.20773610
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Are hololive fans under the delusion that all the girls are pure innocent virgins? Most of them are probably married dude. Grow the fuck up.

Cover literally said they have no say over the private lives of their employees. You're being cucked front back and sideways, and you have been this entire time. Go talk to an actual woman sometime you idiots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:43:06 2022 No.20774464 >>20768582 I mean you could probably have some niche channel but I don't see a ESL vtuber going on about that is going to pop off lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 23:44:07 2022 No.20774577 >>20771795 because men only ever interact w/ chicks to try and get laid. everyone know this, unironically.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 00:12:56 2022 No.20777416 i have a photo of sonny brisko's real face

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 00:17:44 2022 No.20777781
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>>20773610
Yeah, but so long as I don't see it on stream, I don't care. I literally don't care if [insert roommate here] has a boyfriend or interacts with men, I just do not want to see the character she plays do it in my face on stream.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 01:57:38 2022 No.20785435 >>20777416 We all know he is the cop who killed pink floyd

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 01:58:43 2022 No.20785517 >>20745680 frogposters and soi posters should be permabanned

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 03:01:43 2022 No.20789653 >>20745680 Yagoo will never allow it.

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