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Why...

>> No.19938942

You know why

>> No.19938946

>>19938880
She released earlier on spotify because.
Plus as a huge Kronii fan, Bae's song was a banger

>> No.19938964

>>19938880
>japanese song
>english song

>> No.19938987

>>19938946
>released it*
What the f is wrong with my keyboard

>> No.19939020

>>19938964
This. It's really simple. English vtubers should stop releasing so many JP songs. ESPECIALLY if it's an original.

>> No.19939094

>>19938880
>Lumina fucked around making her own vtuber avatar instead of doing her job
>Song released early on spotify
>Kronii didn't shill properly
>Fully japanese song, didn't even get subs
It was doomed from the start. She tried to hype it a bit last year, but the MV delays made any interest in it fizzle. Unfortunate, but maybe she learned her lesson.

>> No.19939118

Winging it vs Grinder

>> No.19939226

>>19939094
>didn't even get subs
This is what really gets me. Some of the holoEN originals are in japanese. Fine. Then they have hardcoded subtitles also in Japanese and no English subs. Fucking why?

>> No.19939246

>>19939226
Japanese company, preasu andastando!

>> No.19939280

>>19938880
Other anons mentioned the English lyrics, proper shilling, and non-botched release, so I’d also add that Bae’s image might just be more closely linked to her singing than Kronii’s.

>> No.19939336

>>19938880
she fucked up her release hype

>> No.19939401

Baes entire production proabably just went smoother. Kronii literally said that everything was done for her, she even recieved guide vocals physically showing her how to sing. Pure corporate bullshit, and thats not even talking about how lumina did horribly making the MV. Bae's is simply more soulful.
Sucks because Kronii does amazing singing when she puts her heart into it

>> No.19939502

>>19939401
>she even recieved guide vocals physically showing her how to sing
That sounds soulless as fuck. Honestly, why even bother releasing a song if this is how the process goes.

>> No.19939521

>release issue
cope. the song's shit and kronies know kronii can't sing past her voice.

Should've been something like jazz or city pop that can take advantage of her vocal talent like mumei or bae's songs that play in to their strengths.

>> No.19939555
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19939555

>>19938880
You know why.

>> No.19939592

Now post Irys

>> No.19939641

>>19939592
No, let's be civil.

>> No.19939650
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>>19939555
No, please, I can't fap to Bae again today!

>> No.19939703

>>19938880
I watch hololive EN (emphasis on EN) because they talk in ENGLISH. If original songs are release in JAPANESE without SUBTITLES, I will not listen (because I don’t understand JAPANESE). Simple as

>> No.19939731

>>19938880
catchy edm is more popular than a boring ballad. next, water is wet

>> No.19939775

>>19939502
guide vocals are industry standard in pop lol

>> No.19939802

>>19938880
Kronies don’t give a shit about Kronii’s feelings song. They just want to see some boobs jiggle.

>> No.19939870

>>19939802
No wonder she hates her job kek

>> No.19939880

>>19939802
And they don't even get that anymore thanks to the stupid kimono.

>> No.19939887
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19939887

>>19939592

>> No.19939969

>>19939401
>Baes entire production proabably just went smoother
The MV didn't finish until 2 days before release and was re-recorded multiple times from the breakdown.

>> No.19939978

>>19939802
Its not even her song, thats the shitty part.
I want Kronii to drop some fucked up lyrics of her own volition and not some "le sands of time" lorefag bullshit

>> No.19940010

>>19939775
It still doesn't make it any less soulless.

>> No.19940041

>>19939401
rat literally cried in member's stream due to production issues

>> No.19940048

>>19939887
Sparks was just a disaster waiting to release. IRyS was already digging the grave to bury it before it came out

>> No.19940096

>>19940041
that just means she cares more about her work than someone that consider their part "done" and forgets about it

>> No.19940097

Reminder that haachama has the best English song in hololive, she also subbed all of her raps.

>> No.19940133

>>19940048
seethe world

>> No.19940193

>>19939226
>Holo id original
>In English
>No Id subtitles

They are dumber than Holo en

>> No.19940201

>le camellia song
god i unironically dislike this attention whoring faggot
yet i can’t escape him because i play otoge

>> No.19940449

>>19940041
Damn, I didnt know that. Guess these kinda things just never go well. Kronii seemed kinda distraught about it at times but desu her acting vulnurable just doesnt happen much at all

>> No.19940468

>>19939502
It works well as a starting point, at least. It’s up to the musician to put their own spin on it from there. For example, Pete Townshend is known to record himself playing all parts for demo tapes of his songs, and his bandmates took that foundation and made some of the greatest rock albums of all time.

>> No.19940526

>>19939887
Same corporate template bs that plagues kroniis song. Just slapping hololive onto everything doesn't really make boring garbage more appealing.

>> No.19942597

Bae said that they started recording the song not too long ago around January, she payed for most of the production by herself and she had a lot of input on how the song was going to be like.While she has no experience with writing lyrics, when some of the lyrics originally written by camellia didn't vibe with her, she wasn't afraid to put her foot down and demand changes, even going as far as to input her own in there which made her nervous. Bae had to do mutliple recordings in a studio by herself. (She kicked out all the audio engineers) She had control of the entire studio to herself and she recorded multiple stuff like PLAY DICE and HIKARU NARA spread across 2 days in sessions of 4 hours each. When she sent camellia the recordings, the initial reception was good but Camellia asked for more takes which she re-recorded until both of them were happy with the result. Camellia did all the mixing with audio and everything by himself afterwards. Followed was the other processes such as making MV, artworks and whatnot. There were some problems along the way which made Bae very distressed in a members stream. (MV not getting made in time) but they managed to pull a clutch and eek it out.

Nandra kandra means jack shit, so does blah blah blah
No math can settle this rrat means that Bae does not care about monetary gain and money and that she will pour all of the money she gets into more projects.
YOLO is my ninja way is Bae's life moto. It means that she will Yolo her way through life without just sitting around even if there are risks involved. She has promised she will do a naruto run in 3D while singing that specific part of the song live.
TLDR: Kronii's process was cover-controlled
Bae's was hands-on with most of her own effort into getting things done.
Also Play Dice is the better song (for me)

Nandra kandra motherfuckers

>> No.19943001

Bae dropped the shit deep Ballard voice she always does for karaoke so it turned out to be a much better song.

>> No.19943372

>>19942597
Based Streamwatcher

>>19943001
based threadreader

>> No.19943479

>>19940193
Anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGviVpVE1fA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stmZAThUl64

>> No.19943564

>>19940201
Thanks for playing my VN's anon, giving me a nice place to live here rent free in your head

>> No.19943657

>>19943479
They put it few days later
There's no id subtitles on premier

>> No.19943740

>>19940193
No, SEAs should learn English.

>> No.19944486

Because Daydream fucking sucks

>> No.19944734

>>19939802
>They just want to see some boobs jiggle
They don't even get that anymore.
Council shitters are the most cucked fanbase in EN vtubing

>> No.19946199

>>19943657
I'm sure the ~100 IOPs were devastated

>> No.19948232

>>19938880
why not

>> No.19952043

>>19938880
LA LA LU LU LU LO LA LA

>> No.19952104

>>19939502
mori does this too

>> No.19952205

>>19942597
Very well put.
When Cover is too much in control of production it >>19939887 leads to disaster every single time.
Hell sometimes Myth thanks management for leaving them alone.

>> No.19952252

>>19942597
>. Bae had to do mutliple recordings in a studio by herself. (She kicked out all the audio engineers) She had control of the entire studio to herself
Was that in a member's or can I get a timestamp?

>> No.19953135

>>19952205
Pretty much. IRyS would have unironically been better off as a regular Hololive member where she could do karaokes and covers while building anticipation for a self-financed original where she could have input and avoid Omega's cringe-fest.

>> No.19953166

>>19952252
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQKei2mtbOY&t=3178s
There you go

>> No.19953272

>>19938880
She streamed literally every day for the entire month and this was the big finale. Consistency does wonders.

>> No.19953413

>>19953166
Holy mother of BASED. She's got such a positive attitude.
Thanks,.

>> No.19953646

>>19938880
I love Kronii, but Bae's song is way better.

>> No.19953698

>>19938880
The public doesn't like slow songs

>> No.19954002

>>19952205
>>19953135
Sounds about right. I remember Mumei saying that she and Mori had to go over the lyrics for A New Start so they wouldn’t be 100% Japanese, and how she used production delays as a chance to splurge on the MV, so it’s a matter of how much the singer is willing to put her fingerprint on the finished product. Bae took the lead on hers from the start, Mumei wrested some creative control for herself, while IRyS and Kronii didn’t.

>> No.19954006
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>>19938964
This
>be EN Vtuber
>someone meant to fill the gap in the English market
>the only requirement is to speak English, literally no other requirements
>have a mainly English speaking audience
>release jp song
I don't understand the thought process behind this. The English market is not only bigger, but it's also the foundation of the EN channels. Yet they keep insisting on releasing jp songs, geared towards the jps who have more than enough native gens to cover for their needs. Honestly, I'm geniuenly happy to see Bae's song do well. The little rat deserved it

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>>19938880
>1,718,524 views
>https://youtu.be/Py21QCndbxc
Kronii's song simply isn't good, especially the vocal part. Bae's song is quite good though.

>> No.19954274

>>19938880
>>19939887
>Daydream
>MV by LUMINA
>Sparks of Joy
>MV by LUMINA
Gee, I wonder why both these MVs tanked.

>> No.19954442
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>>19954006
Because weebs think japanese lyrics = better music.
It makes me happy as well that Bae's song is doing well. Kronii's and Muimei's songs sound so fucking generic it's not even funny.
Hololive needs to stop with the generic anime opening/ending songs and actually produce something with soul in it.

>> No.19954511

>>19954442
every song that hololive ever puts out will sound like generic anime bullshit, because they exclusively hire songwriters that write generic anime bullshit

>> No.19954571
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>>19954274
Man, say what you will about all the other MV producers like Riguruma or Kanauru, but at least they deliver shit on time.

>> No.19954709

>>19954274
They should just stick to stream graphics, it seems to be more their speed. They make good motion design, sure, but if they don't stick to deadlines, they're not a good hire.

>> No.19955392

camellia did not master the song very well it's too compressed and I listen to death metal primarily

>> No.19955874

>MV
>adobe after effects
Why bother

>> No.19956243

>>19938880
kornies too busy ERPing and writing awful smut
they hate their oshi

>> No.19956403

Because Bae's song is better.

>> No.19956579

>>19954511
Why don't they just hire a Holo that knows how to write music.

>> No.19956637

>>19954234
>1.7m
Mumei is boring but I kneel

>> No.19956668

anyway yeah the rrat's song is way better than balloon tits'

>> No.19957310

>>19954006
If I had to rationalize it, I'd say the first 4 points you made basically ensures that any song would automatically get attention from the EN crowd. They probably assumed Western views would be guaranteed so she released a JP song to just draw more of the JP audience in.

>> No.19958124

>>19956637
She's not a boring singer like Kronii is, which is what matters for songs.

>> No.19958176

>>19958124
I meant her streams are boring

>> No.19958229

Baez is the better singer.
Her song is crap though, more so randumb xD modern denpa garbage you see all the time with hololive songs. It fits the character I guess.

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>>19938942

>> No.19958300

>>19958176
True

>> No.19958471

I do like Kronii, but I am still to listen to her song, even though I've already listened to Bae's around 10 times already

>> No.19958621

Kronii has a really nice voice but pretty much no power behind it.
A shitty voice with a ton of power will sound better than a nice voice that falters after a second.

>> No.19959148

>>19957310
If you want JP audience, just release a fucking cover. It would actually had much more chance for bringing that audience. There's no reason for singing exclusively in japanese for an original.

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>>19956579
they won't even hire a songwriter that knows how to speak english, you're asking too much

>> No.19959905

>>19959239
I mean, with the exception of Journey of 1000 Years, pretty much all the songs that Mori has been involved in songwriting for Hololive have done relatively quite well.

>> No.19959978

>>19939802
Me too

>> No.19960505

all hololive songs are good
except if it has
>ft Mori Calliope

>> No.19961115

>>19938880
oh yeah? well i'm sure kronii's 3d porn will run circles around rat's. that's what kronies care about anyway

>> No.19961120

>>19960505
Not liking Cloudy Sheep and Spiral Tones? What a faggot.

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>>19938880
Bae is just better

>> No.19961169

>>19961120
yes
everything the Nigger of Nippon touches are automatically shit

>> No.19961322

>Nina Kosaka stream jojo w.alongs


Baelz should stream Biker Mice from Mars watchalongs

>> No.19961343
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>>19954234
I kneel...

>> No.19961891

>>19954274
I don't give a shit who makes the MV lol, I'll even watch Reflect's "video" if the music is good enough.

>> No.19962915

>>19954442
>hololive
>produce
nigga everything their talents release is out of their own pocket and network, hololive doesn't do shit

>> No.19963109

>>19939094
>she learned her lesson.
>Jobber
Kinda doubt that

>> No.19963657

>>19938964
>bad chuuba
>good chuuba
>>19942597
Take your meds
>>19954006
>market to wapanese
>don't use japanese language
For what purpose. Also
>posting with the shitty wigger who can't put out a good track if her life depended in it
Ngmi

>> No.19964519

>>19938880
leak
no leak

>> No.19966859

>>19938880
cool

>> No.19971793

>>19954442
>babby's first time hearing denpa music

>> No.19972084

>>19971793
I have no idea what that gook word means but if a song sounds shit then it's shit.

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>>19939969
What is with Holo MV production that makes them cut it close like that? A New Start's MV references Mumei hanging out on a mountain top and that stream was only like 2 or three weeks beforehand.

>> No.19973486

>>19938880
Because Bae is a much better singer than Kronii? It only makes sense.

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>>19963657

>> No.19973838

>>19939555
Hello sex

>> No.19977107

>>19939555
Made for marriage

>> No.19978148
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19978148

>First official song and if you've actually been watching Kronii since the start you know she's kind of shy and very critical of herself when it comes to actually shilling her own work vs. the narcissist persona clip watchers think she emboldens all the time
>Really doesn't use twitter to post about her day-to-day like the others in her gen do outside of liking fan art and making stream notice posts outside of a few occasional tweets here and there
>computer troubles the month of her release probably reinforce a perceived imposter syndrome which makes her less comfortable trying to shill the song because she probably things it would seem crass to do when she's stuck in a time where she's doing guerilla streams on her old PC she's not comfortable doing long streams on
>LUMINA took way too long on the MV to the point
>the premiere for the MV was at dead hours for most of NA and it's dumb a :15 preview had a 2 minute YT premiere buffer on it
>Another big issue is that Cover had a deadline they wanted the song premiered, so once it was obvious the MV wasn't going to be done on time, they released the song anyways so people got to listen to it before the MV dropped which probably hurt the initial amount of views it would have gotten if it rolled out on time
>MV releases something like 8 days later, and it's still missing YT subs, and the actual in-video subs you have to fucking squint to read

I think it's fair to say some people don't like the song because it's a bit more on the melancholic side compared to other Holo originals, if not leaning a bit too heavily on the instrumentals sounding like a NieR song.

With that said, most of the issues that plagued the MV's actual release were well out of Kronii's hands. It's kind of hard to shill a song when you're likely getting mixed signals from management about when it's actually going to drop.

I like it a lot.

>> No.19978692

>>19978148
that's a lot of copium to defend a shit song. none of those issues matter when her song is mogged by a genmate's with half the sub numbers and quarter of average view numbers

>> No.19980880

>>19939703
Simple as you being a casual EOP. Learn Japanese, faggot.

>> No.19982442

>>19955874
???
What the fuck do you want them to use? AviUtl?

>> No.19982734

>>19938880
The clock can't sing

>> No.19982942

>>19938964
How do people not cringe at music they can understand? I get second hand embarrassment when I hear someone make sentences timed with music or when they mispronounce a word in a really awkward attempt to fit with the instrumental

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>>19939887
>>19954002
Why won't Irys listen to the chicken's advice and take the reins?

>> No.19983489

>>19939802
it doesn't help that her audience can't understand what she's fucking saying because there's no subtitles

>> No.19983857

>>19983086
i have to wonder if it's because she was initially brought in a singer rather than a chuuba to go alongside them
though in that case i almost wonder if she should have MORE control instead of less, idk

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19984060

Coucilbros were we too cocky?

>> No.19984221

>>19982942
special level of autism u got going here buddy

>> No.19984253

>>19984060
I don't know who that is so therefore it's doesn't matter.

>> No.19984533

>>19978148
i like her roommates content and even official works she's in but this ain't it kronie. not being in english is definitely a debuff anon but can be negligible. she said that what ever his name is came to her to see if she wanted to do it and it shows in the whole thing. that gives off a sense of not real motivation and lack of some sort of confidence, it would be nice if she just made something original even if scuffed to hell and back.

>> No.19984700

>>19984060
Seeing how it loses to A New Start, I'd say no.

>> No.19985105

>>19984533
I was speaking mostly to how the song's initial release was scuffed from a technical and logistical standpoint, but I'll agree with you a few of those points you made. Personally I'm hoping that she learned from this experience and can channel it into being a little proactive in for a future song, but that's part of the experience: you watch and hope that they'll continue to grow whether they take little or big steps in doing so.

>> No.19986058

>>19984700
It's going to lose to Play Dice before long too.

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