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>suffering>how much they deserved it
artia>suffering 100>deserved it 100
RushiaSuffer 50Deserved it 200
Aloe80 suffering10 deserved
I guess I get this out the way before someone shit it up.Calliope Suffer 60Deserved 50
MitoSuffering 100Deserved 90
Request to add a date in the corner like the last one.
Nene 75 suffering 75 deserved
>People already putting people at way too high of a suffering levelNobody posted so far should be above a 30 at the absolute most
>>19857360it's all relative, who's the highest out of all?
The last time this idea was brought up it went nowhere. Vtubers are not anime characters, they evolve through the years. What's "accurate" right now, might become useless in the yearsAlso, people are biased af
Ironmouse is an easy reference point.
>>19857561oops, meant for >>19857360 >>19857392
>>19857392Probably Ironmouse as the other anon said, but there are plenty of other chuubas streaming with severe chronic illnesses or in other extremely shitty situations
>>19857296see >>19857360matuli is probably highest on the suffering since it never ends for her, but its self inflicted Kiara, i unno, like a 40 for suffering an a 20 for deserve
>>19856565Who would get perfect 0?
>>19857843LaurenHe's not suffering from the consequences of his actions and he obviously doesn't deserve it.
latest one I could find
>>19857880Nah, she had the janitor yab.
Hey fags, there should be at least a short explanation justifying the ratings being given.
AmeSuffering 90 she has SUPER BAD LUCKDeserved 0 she got it from her grandma
https://streamable.com/r3p82sNatori 100 suffering 0 deserved, Sio 95 suffering 100 deserved
>>19857986What did Haneru do wrong?
>>19857986What did debi do?
>>19857986Who's that handsome young man next to the janny?
>>19858180>>19858300At least tell us the coordinates you niggers.
>>19856565You should make this a yearly tradition
>>19857986Huh, what ever happened to tranny shark?Haven't seen her in ages
>>19858332Koronesuki. What about him?
>>19858300He’s a koala so he deserves to suffer
Millie Parfait10 suffering45 deserving
>>19858604what did millie do? It's because she's a flip isn't it.
>>19857125She’s not suffering and she didn’t do anything to warrant suffering
>>19858749enabling her coworkers shittalking vtubers from a rival corpo whose ID branch helped her grow during her 2view days in her PL
>>19858796I will make changes if you suggest a new position and justify it
>>19858796She contracted COVID and rumor has it that she was going out with Kanae secretly.
>>19858831>enablingnot what happenedcope holobrony
MaimotoSuffering 80 - Lost J1 League collab after months of preparationDeserved 5
>>19858401Puts zero effort into anything and so became all but completely irrelevant
>>19858838The new COVID strain is pretty weak and even if the rumors are true (lmao if they are) it’s not that bad
>>19856565Ironmouse >suffering 95>deserve it 35
>>19859033Is she not going to miss any concerts this time? She's been pretty unlucky this year.
Nyanners60 Suffering100 Deserved
>>19857506That's why the charts are dated.>vtubers aren't anime charactersVtubing is all about being chuuni as fuck
>>19857100Mori should be lower on the suffering scale desu, around 30 and below. She has successfully locked herself in an echo chamber of sycophants and pretty much made it so any form of criticism will be "haters" and ignored. Not to mention she is currently the golden goose of Cover in the absence of Rushia and Coco which means that she'll be even more protected from accounatability.
YagooSuffering: 90Deserved: 15
Miko>suffering 20>deserve 0
>>19857986Listener san was right. Doog's health was at risk and she is now literally in poor health. Change Listener's place to Suffering 100 Deserved 10.
>>19859154>she'll be even more protected from accountabilityThat's not how it works in Hololive though. Even Pekora doesn't get preferential treatment.
>>19858988because getting your chat and twitter tags spammed is totally equivalent to having to live in a plastic bubble like lol
>>19859086No concerts announced recently, but she was part of that big concert that got canceled a couple of months ago. The people who got COVID during that concert or missed their chance performing the first time on stage suffered the most, not Mito
>>19856565I doubt we will be able to fill it.Not even /a/ managed to make an accurate one and they had thousand more options than us
>>19859234>preferential treatmentBecause she was denied a project that reeks of potential yab and opsec issues? Management saying no to pekol that one time was totally reasonable. Tolerating Mori's behavior is not.
>>19859260Okay, then we should adjust her rating a couple of notches down.
>>19858988>>19859073>>19859107>>19858997aqua already there
>>19859154Mori should be30 suffering75 deserving
Inukai Purin100 suffering5 deservedHell, I challenge anyone to find someone with a higher suffering than her. Poor girl has the worst life rng.
Suffering in which sense though. Yab-wise? or just their existence being suffering
>>19859334Then we can move MaimotoSuffering 70Deserving 5He lost that collaboration to no fault of his own. I lowered the suffering a little bit since I realized he's relatively successful with his career still.
OP, shouldn't we remove those inactive/retired vtubers to reduce clutter?
HACHAMACHAMA100 suffering10 deserved Haato95 suffering15 deserving
Towa15 S 100 DKanata60 S 50 DHaachama45 S 55 DMarine30 S 60 D
Shartemis of the Loo25 suffering65 deserve it
>>19859690What the hell is mito doing there?>>19859685Theres no way haachama is anywhere 100 suffering lol, or anyone in holo except maybe coco.
>>19857986what did uto do?
(You)r oshiSuffering 100Deserved 0
>>19859886tell me it isnt so
>>19857986Anyone remember the names of 25,65, I remember they made youtube videos on a spaceship and probably quit before the vtuber boom late 2017
>>19859594>>19859492natori already there>>19859367is >>19859154 your justification?
>>19857986I'm glad this retard is already on there.
85 and plus suffering should be reserved for people that have graduated or had really, really shitty things happen to them.
>>19859998Purin could take 15 deserved 100 suffering then
>>19859998Mito35 suffering15 deserve it
>>19859759kanata occupied by mori>>19859797>>19859834>>19858832
>>19860253>>19860261please justify a requested change
FinanaSuffering: 50Deserved: 5
>>19860368>Ironmouse at anything below 100 sufferingAnd how are y'all justifying how much she deserved it? It's fucking genetic. Are you shaming a fetus?
>>19860460Surely rushia should be bumped up to at least75s100dShe graduated after all
>>19860690she's had sex though
>>19860704I agree rushia is too low, I would place her at 90 95, personally
>>19860690i know literally nothing about ironmousewhats her deformation?
>>19860847She's bedridden for life. Autoinmune disease.
>>19860778That has nothing to do with anything.
>>19860847Shes like retarded and needs plasma replacement every 2 weeks
>>19859967Nevermind, found them. Barara & Karen. Didn't quit until 2018.
>>19860575She got COVID and isn’t able to stream for a while, but the new strain is pretty weak so she’s gonna be fine. She’s still a successful Vtuber so I don’t think she’s suffering. Also hasn’t really done anything to deserve suffering
>>19857798>subaruwho had to spend years of her life in hospital, and had her family home burn down>suffering 5
>>19860575>>19860847Iron mouse, for all her suffering, 100% deserves.She abandoned her daughter, after all.I proposeS: 70 - She could've been faking her illness. Also she had a very successful subathon on Twitch.D: 100 - For being a piece of shit.
>>19860690Saw her manipulate her chat saying “guess nobody wants to watch me anymore” when her subathon timer got low so ya she deserves it
>>19860847Genetically busted immune system > lungs turned to swiss cheese by common infection > long hospital stays and being stuck in bed atrophies her musclesShe can barely walk, barely eat anything other than applesauce, oatmeal, and meal replacement shakes, is regularly taking medicine that is damaging her hearing, needs regular infusions of donor plasma (which is in short supply) to have any protection against other common infections
Juniper 10010Stole her design, then attacked the original artist. She's making cash out of his work and basically got away with it.
Fauna Suffering: 95Deserved: 5Shes been protecting nature for 4.54 billion years afterall
>>19861203How is she alive?
>>19860880immune deficiency, not autoimmune.
>>19860847I thinks it’s some sort of immune system deficiency. Also someone here posted a clip here of her on an older account talking about how her ex-husband was abusive (or something like that). So I’d definitely put her suffering at 100.>>19860918>>19860800I think 80s100dis better, wouldn’t go much beyond that given that she still has fans in spite of the great yab.>>19861013Good point
>>19861242Don't take good places with meme scores.Fauna is a 20 suffering at most.
>>19861282Oxygen tube, plasma donations, a port in her chest that allows medicine straight into her heart
>>19861091Also that Nux drama showed everyone how fake these vshojo girls are.
>>19861438All vshojo girls are +70 deserved for sure, with Melody being the best person around.
>>19860261>>19860983mito changed>>19861073ironmouse changed
>>19861282Educate yourself on scams and twitch
>>19861534Right. Ironically, Melody seems to be the only one genuine there.
>>19861569She neglected to tell her audience about it for a while for this reason
>>19861547are you an idiot
>>19861918gosling...had a hard life
>>19861569hiding behind a vtuber avatar is actually the perfect defense for doing a scam like Ironmouse is doing>can you prove your lungs are fucked up?>dont want to doxx myself>can you at least take a picture of the machine?>dont want to doxx myself>meds?>dont want to doxx myself
forgot mito>>19861208already occupied>>19861335rushia changed>>19861363agreed>>19861918
>>19861547I think we should take mouse on her word regarding the level of suffering unless there is evidence to suggest otherwise. On the basis of the prior statements I’d put her at100s70dThe deserving being based upon >>19861091>>19861073>>19861438>>19861918Agree
>>19859313What was the project?
>>19861547mio suffering 10deserved 0
>>19862112>already occupiedIt isn't though.Towa is at 15.
>>19859998Yes. Mori isn't suffering as much as she deserves or thinks.
>>19862018Even in a world where you are right, no one will give a shit because you're such an asshole.
>>19862202I'm not sure if she ever confirmed what it was but the most plausible theory is that it might've been something that involved fan participation so it got rejected. A /vt/ rrat said it may have been a minecraft meetup with fans.
>>19862235You said 100 suffering 10 deserved
>>19862120Anon, Rushia is at 100D right now, and GFE isn't even something immoral. Anyone who's not retarded wouldn't get affected by it anyway.>Ironmouse - abandoned her daughter>Apricot - adulteryIf Nyanners is a 100D, then these two above should be worse than her.
>>19862480Yes, and towa is at 100 suffering and 15 deserved, so the space below her.
>>19862120ironmouse changed>>19862235I thought you meant 100 suffering 10 deserved, but I suppose you mean 10 suffering 100 deserved. Added>>19862248Mori changed
Pochi should probably be suffering 80+ with ~10 deserves it. She basically spends her life in bed on a good day and in the hospital on a bad day. All she did wrong is giving numerous people a /ss/ fetish.
>>19862480Anon, X axis is read first.
>>19862556Anon, please consider my points on Ironmouse again. >>19862534
>>19862630please restate your suggested positionI don't mind moving back and forth, so any "final" position should hopefully be reached by majority decision
IRySsuffering 30deserved 0
Requesting Millie get moved to 10,10. Initial reasoning was BS as they say she deserves to suffer because she was in that nothing Discord leak and all she said was, "Glad to have you with us, Shu" when he mentioned he failed hololive audition cause they were accepting males at the time.Sana at 100S, 60D. Back injuries are the worst but she deserves the flak she's getting for not communicating it earlier.
>>19862626already occupied by aloe>>19862808
Beatani60 D20 S
>>19862781Proposing to change Ironmouse's D to 95 at least soIronmouseS: 100D: 95
Nobu 60S 10D. Gave up her dream job because she wanted to do covers/collabs, but management just wanted more sexual ASMR.
>>19862919beatani deserves ZERO
>>19862901>PochiJust put it somewhere close, 75-5Speaking of Pochi, Reine should be 15-5. She has regular back problems but hasn't done anything wrong, is hardworking, and according to the people who have actually spoken and interacted with her, very kind.
>>19862931wtf is your damage, dude
>>19856660Dude she is still getting horrible messages. Her suffering is higher than 50.
Matsuro Meru70 Suffering40 deserve it>Goes into a loop of being very sweet and high energy and productive, and then dives into depression.>Every time she does start to get out of the loop, something happens like getting sick or a family member dying. >Often goes radio silent and disappears for a week or more.>autoimmune disorder so she doesn't go outside much, if at all.>Sometimes streams high as fuck. Recently did a stream so high she didn't remember streaming it the next day.>Often gets her mother's problems thrown on her. Like when her mom bought a guinea pig, dropped it off at Meru's place, claim she needed her to take care of it for a bit, then never picked it up.>Recently went four months of being on time and active and then yet another family member died.
>>19863081She's a kusobear. She causes her own suffering by acting schizo.
>>19862901Why the fuck is Towa at D100? If you're talking about her first yab, S should be higher and D should be lower. She took a pretty big hit and took a long time to recover (S should be at least higher than Nene if you compare how much each suffered for their respective yabs), but what she did isn't comparable to what Sio or Rushia did.
>>19857138Having your house burned and having a heart disease is not suffering?
Why is Towa 100D?She didn't do something illegal nor immoral. In fact a lot of her coworkers have only good things to say about her. Her fans affectionately tease her about being an angel.
>>19863278Because holofags are dumb and can't really justify most of their scores.
>>19856565WTF, where is the completed chart?
>>19863159The fact that most of her gachikois forgave her and she now gets to keep a higher percentage of their money evens it out.
>>19862900millie moved>>19862919>>19862931ironmouse moved>>19863113>>19863206>>19863278>>19858832
PikameeSuffering: atleast 60Deserved: 0
>fartemis>not 100 deserved>Miko>suffering so lowwtf
>Almost killed by Sio and her fans for nothingChieri suffering 80Deserving it 0Also, fuck Sio
>>19863181>Recently did a stream so high she didn't remember streaming it the next day.What stream was this?
>>19863206I agree with this anon. Towa suffered more than Nene. She got canceled by nips because of her voice and THAT scandal, had to be saved by EOPs so she can restart her career, clawed her way back to the grace of nips audience by establishing connections with the FPS crowd.
>>19863444Why do you keep putting Ironmouse on the right?
50 suffering80 deserved
PomuSuffering 85Deserving 25
>>19863458>>19863636>>19863691>>19863546occupied by aqua>>19863631>>19863524>>19863633see >>19858832
>>19863556https://twitter.com/matsuromeru/status/1496535843502272512She deleted the Twitch vod.
>>19861918If gosling is us, we kinda deserve it a bit more considering we fell into the rabbithole and didn't turn back.
>>19863717>explain why it should be changed>give me numbers>give numbers>explain why it should be changedFor fuck's sake. >>19863633 because>>19863278, >>19863206 and >>19863613.
>>19863717Bruh we've already explained that Ironmouse's suffering has a genetic cause, that's an automatic 0 on the deserved scale
>>19863631Ironmouse is a horrible person, anon. You can't have Rushia and Nyanners at 100D and Mouse getting less than that.
>>19863717Ame should be moved 4 or so spaces to the right, she's kind of a bitch and a gremlin sometimes, certainly not a zero.
>>19863955>Ironmouse is a horrible person, anon.Based on what?
>>19863953No bro. That disease is a 100 karma for abandoning her child and trying to cancel Nux without cause.
>>19863998Much of her suffering is also self-inflicted through lack of self-control. Agree it should be a lot higher than 5.
>>19863717Miko has a chronic disease of some sort that made her have to stop streaming for over 3 monthsI would argue that this is a higher than average level of suffering, also considering how poorly she was doing viewers wise earlyand Artemis fucking shilled himself for weeks and had a wet fart of a debut and no personalityI guess it's not so extremely egregious but the difference between expectation and reality makes one deserve more suffering i'd say
>>19863998It's only to chat though and chat loves it. All her interactions outside of the role she plays is pretty wholesome and sweet.
>>19864027You know the "abandoning a child" thing is literally not true, right?And Nux had it coming.
forgot pomu>>19863808Towa changed, didn't see a justification to change nene>>19863953already occupied by natori>>19863998ame changed
>>19861073>>19862534>abandoned her daughterHow are you going to doxpost and still get information wrong?
>>19864027>trying to cancel Nux without causelollmao
>>19864033 here35, 15 instead. Some of her suffering is self inflicted. Just because she's my Oshi doesn't mean I should be biased towards her in this.
S 10D 80Shion, bratty Kusogaki next to Samegaki
>>19864165>>19864247Mouse admitted fault in the end. They were in the wrong. They didn't know they're being recorded.>You know the "abandoning a child" thing is literally not true, right?If people wanna take her word for being "ill", then it's fair to believe her story about her abandoning her child.
>>19863458>bullied even by her teachers for being a haafu>had little to no friends until the last years of highschool>was anorexic for a period of time>the cat she always dreamed to have had a genetic disease and almost dies>has seen a great amount of her friends graduate without reincarnating>got depression from magnet's graduation>almost graduated because of it>a relative who was like a brother to her commited suicide a couple of weeks ago, thinks she could've done something about itprobably should be a little higher in sufferingdid I miss anything?
>>19864033>>19864333added, also nice dubs and trips>>19864335>>19864371>>19864133please suggest a position if you would like a change>>19864518already at 100S 10D
>>19864573do you have a specific place in mind?
>>19864375She... doesn't have a story about abandoning her child? Dude you are LITERALLY making shit up. You've got full schizo.
Suzuhara LuluSuffering: 55Deserved it: 0
>>19864213Nene should be lower simply because she faced almost no consequence compared to others at the same height S as her. A little shit talking in anonymous boards an twitter with no punishment besides a scolding from management doesn't warrant being almost as high as Rushia, Aloe and Aqua. I think 35 is high enough for her. D from 75 to 80 because she made it worse herself by not admitting it straightforwardly in her apology, which increased the shitposting by a lot on the nip side.
VoxS: 10 has a successful career so far.D: 95His RM history is horrible. This guy is a known pedophile according to StarBot.
>>19864596Miko suffering 60deserved 5 or 10
Kitanya95 suffering10 deservedLiving in south africa is hell. I've never seen a streamer cancel a stream because their house was getting shot at before.
Nene AmanoSuffering: 0Deserved it: 10
RosemiS:20D:90she hasn't paid for her sins yet
>>19864682Seconding this. Any stories relating to her kid are unstantiated and pure shizo posting. Mousey deserves to be negative 5 on the chart for how much work she's put in to still have a life and take care of herself even with her shit situation.
>>19864764>she faced almost no consequenceShe almost got canceled over a nothingburger you retard. The "victim", which is her friend, wasn't even complaining at all.
>>19860690Ironmouse and Mashiro should both be at suffering 100 and on the lower end of the deserving scale, that other chart had it pretty accurate for those two
>>19864596uhhhMocca at 90/65Lauren at 85/20
>>19865022What sins or are you just autistic? What am I say? Of course you are
People who claim Mouse is a saint didn't see the video. Please do you reps first.
>>19864764nene changed>>19864814>>19864836miko changed>>19864913
>>19864748Shouldn't aloe and ironmouse be switched?
>>19865034"almost got canceled" is nothing compared to the others at that height. She went back to streaming normally a few days later with her fanbase intact, holofags generally on her side and most other people are already forgetting the subject. If this turns out to affect her numbers on the long run and she has to grind for a long time to regain her trust like Towa did, maybe she should be moved higher, but for now it really looks like it ended up being a nothingburger.
>>19864681If we're talking about how shitty her life has been like 95, but since her career has been pretty good and she's loved by everyone probably about maimoto and maybe pochi
Why was Artia 100/100 again? Did she get killed?
>>19865112Sin of spamming this board with herself constantly.
Redpill me on mothbitch what did she do to deserve it?
>>19864764Its not just her tracing incident. She's always had the debuff of being in the cursed get 5 along with very recent depression made even worse by the fact her oshi killed herself. Nene is without a doubt suffering more than the halfway point.
by tradition Anon should always be 100,100switch with artia
>>19865112she's been a bitch on her past lifes
>>19865327Then tell that to OP. I was only talking about it from the point of view of the tracing yab.
>>19865126I suggest you move the 3 top-right girls counterclockwise. Also, with how her life went, shouldn't Shuba be on S20?
>>19864375>They didn't know they're being recordedExcept none of them were recorded. Just Mel in the userlist. No conversation with any of them.Sure they made themselves look like retards, but really? Criticizing someone publicly is now the worst of crimes? Everyone crying about it like they'd been shot needs to go get shot.
>>19865277She missed a couple of streams just right after her birthday for something that shouldn't have been a scandal. That's thousands of dollars worth of SC and merch income she missed. Also her merch got recalled.
>>19865126Move Artia to 95/95 and put Moot in 100/100 for his recent child porn charges.Pipkin Pippa in 90 suffering/10 deserved. We don't know her age, but most of the shit she's gone through is due to her shitty childhood much like Ame.
>>19865350I wish I could reveal how I know, but god yes she's been a complete fucking diva her whole career.
>>19865126Nippleman (Lauren Iroas) should be on 80/80. His suffering keeps growing, and he was retarded enough to admit to pirating the thing.
>>19865124We've all seen the video, there's just one schizo who wildly misunderstood it and continues to pointlessly seethe about it.
>>19865007>>19865022>>19865055>>19865229please provide a justification for any suggested changes
>>19864748On the basis of>>19861013I think we should bump Subaru up toat least40s0dAlso I believe we should put rrat-poster(s) at0s100dBecause rrats actually bring joy to the poster at the cost of misery to the receiver
>>19865490>Criticizing someone publicly is now the worst of crimes?It's not just criticizing. They were trying to kill Nux's career. I don't care for that guy, but when it was revealed that Nux was in the right, everyone backpedaled. Mouse is a scum.
>>1986551190 is very high, what has this rabbit gone through to justify that?
>>19865501She got more sympathy SC thanks to the yab than she would have gotten otherwise. The merch loss, she brought on herself, so I guess moving her up-right would make sense.
>>19862212Mio should have a much higher suffering and deserved ranking considering she was the catalyst for the permission's arc.
>>19865525So it's a "Trust me. I'm a private eye"
>>19865698You do not understand the permissions arc.
>>19865557Fuck off, shill. Unless you can refute that video, that's a valid evidence for Mouse being a 100D.Also, I think Mouse should be a 50S. She went to Japan earlier. It's becoming apparent now that her disability is not really that dire cause she can travel. She is a manipulative person, we can't even trust her words anymore.
Koyori 15 15
Zentreya AKA TTSdragonSuffering: idkDeserved: nothing below 80
>>19865671The SC she got was peanuts. We didn't even include the damage to her reputation. She should be moved upwards-left.
>>19865862go white knight somewhere else
Miyabi is probably 70/15 for being the first homo and his rough debut
Pekora: S30 D10Korone: S85 D0Kronii: S40 D9999Sana: S60 D60Fubuki: S75 D0
>>19865284moved nene>>19865341good enough reason for anon, need to justify artia>>19865453please provide justification for suggested changes>>19865511justify artiathat was actually another man named mootpippa added>>19865552lauren changed
>>19865566i'd move aqua a little to the right because how she absolutely abandoned Coco during the taiwan yab, and put Pikamee in her place
>>19865665Basing it on comparison for Ame's suffering stories. She's indie and not well known, but some of the stories hit just as hard. One example, her family had a small pet shop, and her sister/family would just take home small pets from the shop then basically stop caring for them after a matter of weeks, and let them languish and slowly die/abandon them. Had a huge impact on her for care of animals and such.
>>19860880Mouse went to Japan. From being bedridden for the rest of her live to being able to travel abroad, how does that even make sense?I propose we should change Mouse's suffering position.
>>19866074You dumb nigger, are you talking about her recent stream? Where a guy took a stream rig backpack with him and was a virtual tourguide for her while she was still bedridden some place in Puerto Rico?
>>19866025Thats... honestly not that bad.I wouldn't call it a 90.
>>19866025Also, Pippa is NOT indie.
Deadbeats S 20 D 100
>>19866074 (me)MouseS: 60 - She can actually travel. Her sickness isn't really that debilitating, might not even be true. Also, she got 3rd for the highest amount of subs in Twitch history. That should lower her suffering points right?D: 95 - Remain as-is.
>>19865571subaru changedrrat added>>19865770mouse changed>>19865778>>19865928
>>19865985On the basis that many anons in the thread disagree with the validity of the assertion that mouse abandoned her daughter I propose we move mouse back to100s80dWith her moved we can move atria to 100s95dSo that anon can take his rightful place at 100s100d
>>19865985>please provide justification for suggested changesAlso, not that anon but.>need to justify artiaI wouldn't put her away from the corner. It'd be>Artia / Anon>IM / SioSio should stay there now that I think about it. Artia keeps suffering but living in bugland against your will counts a little for the D axis. Mouse is getting somewhat better treatments, so her suffering is a bit less. Anon is self-explanatory.
>>19865770There's nothing to refute, there's nothing in that video that's ba->She went to Japan earlier.Oh. Oh! You're trolling. I thought you were legitimately crazy, but you're just having a giggle.
>>19866345Bro, Mouse suffering shouldn't be 100. It's not even verified that she's really ill, but we are sure that she's incredibly rich. She even made it to Twitch record for subs count.
>>19866015>because how she absolutely abandoned Coco during the taiwan yabyawn
>>19866015You've got to be fucking kidding me. Should we move Kuzuha to the right as well for deleting his tweet of support for Coco?
>>19866343swap gosling out with mashiro>bullied in school>shit family>had to work with corpses for some time to make ends meet>witnessed death twice>mom tried to commit family suicide>the spongebob incident
>>19866673dude, you just made me look like a cooldown posting nigger
SanaS: 5D: 85
>>19866345>anon>100dAnon may be a faggot but he hasn't betrayed everyone he knows
>>19866343I would like to posit that watame should take the spot at85s0dBecause according to posts on here apparently she had a bad father and in general she is a sensitive sheep who acts as a grief counselor for the chat. I have not heard of anything bad she has done to deserve to suffer. Also add watamelon at 0s 0d because watamelon represents shitposting bliss.>>19866549Her having all that money is a good point. I still think the immunodeficiency is worth taking at face value as many posters belieb it. Perhaps a nice 85s 85d would be good?
>>19866792Sana has a broken back, she can't even stream properly. If Ironmouse gets S:100, Sana should get 80. It's actually affecting her job unlike Ironmouse who can stream like nothing.
>>19866834>he hasn't betrayed everyone he knowslollmao even
>>19859886>Unrepentant whorespoonfeed me anon. i heard she had a yab with one of her outfits but she disappeared and /vt/ moved onto other drama before i could get the full picture
>>19866673Idk, was Kuzuha the one being supported by Coco while he has being attacked by antis? no, but Aqua was.
>>19865936justify moving sanafubuki already occupiedothers added>>19866015moved aquajustify pikamee>>19866251oh shit it was pikameejesus christ this is what happens when you don't follow the formatpikamee and nene fixed>>19866280>>19866286mouse moved
>>19866969Coco made Ark a thing in Japan, the game which propelled Kuzuha to stardom. That should count for something.
>>19864913For me what puts her so high isn't even the farm raid shit. It's that on top of>SA power and internet just go out sometimes so she has to cancel streams and sit in pitch black>Streaming so much Minecraft and staying SFW infested her community with cringe kids that she and her mods have to babysit>Chronic pain and other health issues that keep her a shut in>Takes a 2.5 month break because she went to get a surgery, and the doctor fucked up and stabbed her stomach, necessitating another surgery right after>Has tons of stories that basically end with "and then I almost got raped">Basically has to move if she wants a career and happy life but is stuck in SA for at least a few more years so she can graduate with enough qualifications to get a job wherever she moves.Tanya is the perfect chuuba for saviorfags
>>19866343Miyabi is the most inoffensive homo of them all so he should be D 0.
>>19866969>why did the girl who's always a target avoid the fireshe would have been collateral you fucking mongprobably would have quit sooner than coco if she got involved
>>19867024I ask again: are you an idiot?
>>19867024>justify pikamee really shitty life and all of this>>19864573If I had to add something it would be how so many viewers abandoned her as soon as HoloEN was announced
broswhat did moth woman do i don't know enough about her
Anon95 suffering95 deserved it
>>19866345>>19866359mouse artia and anon moved>>19866739>>19866859if you want someone's spot you need to justify moving them too>>19866792justify moving sana>>19866859>>19867315moved pikamee
>>19867232even months after the incident when everyone was having collabs with Coco again she still didn't even mentioned her.
>>19867315>If I had to add something it would be how so many viewers abandoned her as soon as HoloEN was announcedThat happened but I think she's better off now. Pandering to EN fanbase by streaming on Twitch has worked well for her, and she has connections with basically every corpo + big indies like Kson because everyone just loves her
>>19867367le ironic weeb who hates anime fans
where should Magnet/jellyfish go? If we're going by the underage thing.
>>19865525Might as well air out the dirty laundry already if you think she deserves it that much to put her at 90
>>19867545Would be okay if it was just that, but she hates japanese artists too. Fuck that.
>>19867425not everyone cares about coco as much as you doi doubt aqua and coco had much of a friendship considering they're night and daywhy would she mention coco
>>19859492I know Purin's a flip but may i know as to why her suffering placement is that high?
>>19867529Yeah she's doing better now, but she's has to work for it a lot harder than before, and she's never had a big gain of subs since like more than a year before.
>>19867315>>19867400I get your point but we should put more weight on the recent happenings. I'm sure lots of vtubers have a sad past.It's criminal to have Pikamee, Aqua and Aloe get the same suffering points.Aloe lost her winning ticket to Hololive lottery. She hasn't even have a proper career yet and she still is suffering from mental illness. Her family broke apart. And she's not rich unlike those other people.
Unicorns65 Suffering100 Deserve itUnicorns are mentally ill but deserve it, due to their own stupidity and the fact that they call everyone cucks despite the ones that are truly being cucked (by mental illness, their tulpa, and Rushia)
>>19867631Her family got corona recently.She almost died.Her mom actually died in the next room over.They were distant and finally starting to get along.Her dad went to jail.Her house got destroyed by a hurricane.She's very emotionally dependent on chat, half of them being groomers.And yeah, she is indeed flip.
>>19867697You seem upset
>>19867688I totally agree that aloe should be higher
Mysta at 65/60Noraneko at 80/20
>>19867400How about bumping korone up to 90s and 0d and putting watame to 85s and 0d based on the prior reasoning in >>19866859I’d say being rather ill could warrant a 90s for korone.>>19867697Surely unicorns suffer as much as goslings as they always end up being cucked in the end. Perhaps 95s 95d?
>>19867627>i doubt aqua and coco had much of a friendship considering they're night and daywhy would she mention cocothey weren't friends when Coco stood up for her either though
>>19867786Sure, I'm good with that
>>19867891>an extrovert acts this way>an introvert should alsowhy would aqua act like cocoaqua is not coco
nakiri ayamesuffering 15deserved 70
>>19867688I would't have a problem with Pika in the same tier as Maimoto or Pochi, but the problem is that those three probably deserve 0 suffering so I would't know who should be moved to the right
>>19867387justify moving anon>>19867199maimoto is there>>19867697>>19867786unicorn added and moved>>19867772>>19867971
You EOPs better stop talking shit about Aqua. She was one of the holos who lost the most from the bug yab and she never stopped being on Coco's side despite that. If you want to point fingers at somebody, point them at Cover for restricting their interactions or the chinks for being chinks.
>>19867786forgot korone and watame
Someone stick pippa on here for me plz. Deserves a lot of suffering. Anyone based must suffer.
>>19867963I wan't asking Aqua to stand up for her as Coco did, but to atleast acknowledge her, that even the most autistic of introverts should be able to do
>>19868230She was literally not allowed to. See picrel >>19868144
>>19868182Pippa is already up at 90/10.
If you want a joke one or a filler you can add Pajeet, the niji samefag40s60d
>>19868162I don't think Haachama is suffering. She's a yab machine that always gets away with it. I'd put her as a 5
>>19868056Looking good anon. Also how about Architect posters at 0s 25d, deserving some suffering for being weird and generally being content>>19868424How about the piss drinker, surely we have to put him somewhere?
>>19868319>She was literally not allowed toNo, she didn't want to.Unlike Aqua, Fubuki went all out in support of Coco. Fubuki is the one who lost the most. Cover chose Coco instead of the chinks. Aqua was wishy-washy about it.
>>19868424>>19868523would rather not add individual postersarchitect is fine
>>19868483She constantly blames herself for Coco's graduation
>>19868483She suffered a lot when she was studying abroad.
Haaton S100D45She got her head cut off
>>19868587Isn’t there a piss drinking thread? Ambrosia I think, maybe that infamous image can represent them. On that basis we ought to consider the cannibals of meat and the become lamy guys (maybe represented by anon with a lamy mask or something).
>>19867963Anon Pekora is also an introvert and not only she still collabed with Coco but she even made her a member of her minecraft construction group
>>19868534>No, she didn't want to.She did everything she could to acknowledge Coco without going against the management's directives, Kaichou herself is also to "blame" because she tried her best to not involve Aqua in that mess (see the already mentioned totsumachi).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F2f5nNlCH8&t=378s
bump limit reached, I won't update anymore tonight but I will check the thread when it archivesI may make a continuation thread tomorrow
why does hard working bubble girl deserve it more than lazy my dog died so imma take a break and injure myself girl
>>19868818and look at all the good it did
>>19868793How about Choco at 25s 0d she got shat on by the YouTube algorithm and I think someone here said that jp anons have messed with her in the past.
Discord 0 suffering 95 deserved
>>19868793Gosling should be replaced by Kurumi.
>>19868793Kanata S85 D10She has an incurable disease that causes hearing loss that she has to battle to keep her passion for singing alive. Also extreme vertigo.Possessions stolen by a close friend before debut.Anxiety attacks. Covid.It would be funny to put her beside Watame.
>>19869530>?so you're retardedit accomplished literally nothingcoco quit didnt she
Move Aqua to the left. She doesnt deserve none of her suffering. Its just literal schizos attacking her all the time for made up reasons.
>>19869645>I'm not visiting my dying friend because he's gonna die anyways
>>19869865they interact as much off screen now as they did back thennot even comparable to a dying friendbut keep seething ig
>>19866015The most retarded poster in this thread. It's so unfair to say that to Aqua who was herself caught in the crossfire. She is absolutely excused if you know the context, which I assume you don't since you posted something this retarded.
>>19870282then keep her on 0 but move her lower, since she's done such a perfect job at avoiding schizos, she definetly hasn't suffered more than Maimoto.
>>19868793koopa, i'd put her at 100s 10d in place of that listener san>slew of illnesses that keep her bed bound including EDS and the same illness ame has that can't let them eat bread>stories of getting fucked over by doctors and leaving the offices crying >has been in a wheelchair before>is currently on a pseudo break because boneitis hit her so hard she can't even talk for too long without getting sick>lost weight because she pukes most of the food out
>>19870891yeah, I don't know why she was put so high up when the worst she had was some Apex antis a year ago and losing her Chinese fans, and other vtubers have had both of those happen to worse degrees
>>19870964she was the first to be added so there wasn't much comparison yet
>>19870915>is currently on a pseudo break because boneitis hit her so hardWhy sugarcoat this, anon?Her career went to shitter because she fucked a fan of hers.She never really suffered. Her potential is low to begin with.Koopa:30S100D
>>19870891>>19870964I mean it's not just apex antis>smash bros antis>ARK antis>Taiwan antis>rushia yab schizos>seaschizosThere is a couple
>>19870891>hasn't suffered more than MaimotoYou're delusional. Aqua lost her Chinese fans and along with it money.
>>19871312>koopa talked about her illnesses fucking her over before the summer space incident>this nigger somehow thinks she made it all upyou are the dumbest, most seething faggot i've ever seen and i hope you reincarnate as a homosexual in a muslim country
>>19871341>smash bros antisDamn, that's a blast from the past. I'd completely forgotten about that yab.
>>19870891>she's done such a perfect job at avoiding schizosShe literally gets schizos for the most petty shit imaginable anon..
>>19867400>if you want someone's spot you need to justify moving them tooi think goslings not having families that try to murder them is enough justification kek
>>19871400Her merch still sells like crazy though, so not really a big loss for her.
>>19871400I'm pretty sure losing literally all your money is worst than losing a percentage of your income.
>>19864913>Living in south africa is hell. I've never seen a streamer cancel a stream because their house was getting shot at before.Fake and gay. Gangland shootings doesn't happen in nice suburbs.
>faggots filling up the left columnStop listening to every single retard that suggesting their oshi suffers but doesn’t deserve it any of it.
>>19871926You sound mad, schizo.*spits on you*
>>19871926>sugest to move someone slightly to the right>another two hour schizo argument startsyeah no thanks
AZKi needs to be shiftedSuffering: HighDeserved: Low-midSuffering>Suffered from design debuff for her first 2 costumes>Was once part of upd8 (from the same company who mishandled talents like Kizuna and Nobuhime)>INNK debuff instead of Hololive buff during essential growth periods>As of today still part of Hololive Production and not Hololive like the rest of the female JP talent>Many of her 40+ original songs have <200k views, some don't break 100k>Has to watch the songs of every newer Hololive member eclipse her every time, still tweets positive comments about them despite the reverse rarely happening>The coof killed her live show momentum>Extensive networking throughout the scene, but most Hololive viewers have never heard of her>(You) probably forgot she existed>Has to work a day job that she hatesDeserved>Doesn't leech off Hololive members more often>Chooses to take the VSinger route instead of the Hololive streamer route
>>19872095>ignores how the reasoning was kinda bull
>>19868793What the fuck is this absolute bullshit placement of Sana? She should be just one spot left of the Deadbeat.
>>19872493also she uses her position to elevate lesser known vsingers (dont stop the music, collabs, opening acts on her lives)
>>19872493>>19872657(me)comments referring to placement in >>19857986