/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Lofi the asshole

[Anonymous No.]

Why does she hate Iofi so much?

[Anonymous No.]

Iofi is so defensive about her awful art. I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.]

based lofi

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
Maybe don't sell traced art

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
Based because she's passionate about it

[Anonymous No.]

Oh no no no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839854
It's all she has

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
Based Iofi punishing sinners equally, evem her wives. Trace correction camp went well once again.

[Anonymous No.]

hey antis, post your work. I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839854
She loves what makes her happy. You wouldn't understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
>>19839791
But Nene was thanking Iofi in particular and said it made her really happy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c57hyLw5liE

[Anonymous No.]

>>19840323
antis of nene? there aren't any. Antis of iofi? there aren't any, you need fans in order to have antis

[Anonymous No.]

>>19840523
>>>/vt/nene
>>>/vt/pagi
They have fans, anonchama

[Anonymous No.]

>>19840523
You're right! None of those vtubers have fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19840523
I still hate Iofi for what she did to Gura during among us. Fuck her forever.

[Anonymous No.]

Did Iofi pull a karen on Nene about art? That is funny to visual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
UUUUUUUUHHH??? ANTIBROS????????? THE NARRATIVE?!

[Anonymous No.]

IOFI CORRECTIVE RAPED NENE

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
iofi is an angel, while can completely be a bitch with fuckers who trace art online on twitter, and I expect she just had a reasonable conversation with nenechi

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841305
Artists hate tracers but there's very much a different standard for people who put themselves forward as artists and amateurs. Because artists know better than anyone that tracing/referencing is a common shortcut when working on your own time.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does Iofi think she has any authority on this matter? Stay in your lane you failure

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839854
This about sums it up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839854
It's always the shit ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841156
Lofi has in the past expressed extreme distaste for people tracing without crediting the original artist, saying that is what she hates most of all. Come March it is revealed Nene had been doing exactly that.
After the Cover announcement and Nene video, Iofi tweeted nene saying she was always available if nene wants to talk about art, that she was hoping to hear from Nene and wished Nene good luck.
In Nene’s comeback stream, while she was thanking her senpais for their advice and support she named Iofi in particular as someone she spoke with a lot and that it made her really happy.
Knowing Iofi she was probably gentle but firm and did her best to be a good senpai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839854
SEA pride

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841432
Iofi is Nene’s senpai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19840161
It's not terrible. If she would just make the eyes a little smaller and make the chin less pointy it would look almost as good as the artwork in the instruction manual of a 2nd rate JRPG on the PS1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19840161
This is 14yo deviantart tier, not terrible, better than I could do but I don't sell myself as an artist either

[Anonymous No.]

STOP TRACING ME, IT'S MY ART

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841860
You want the hard truth, son? There's a reason why every big artist traces: drawing is really hard.
Just trace. This is how your art will look like forever if you don't. Reference as heavily as possible, never draw from memory.
Pride will be your undoing.
Maybe after 5 years or so of heavy practice you will pop out something mediocre without having to look at the source. Before that, just swallow your pride and trace.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839854
>awful art
She's GMI. Drawing and learning everyday. You?
PYW

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839854
Most artist big or small, hate people stealing their shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841889
no way you can look at that and say "yup, that's good, no corrections needed here"

[Anonymous No.]

90% of people who consider themselves artists don't make it anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841889
SOUL

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839854
Someone please buy Loafy an atlas of human anatomy for artists, she really, really needs one. She needs to use poses from those as references instead of trying to replicate mange/anime style on her own.

[Anonymous No.]

if someone else makes easy art, her whole "artist" gimmick crumbles down, ofc she will try to show her stupid hobby in pedestal to stay relevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841889
>>19842534
I'm guessing she spent so much time on it that by the end her eyes were too worn out to notice. That's why you take breaks when you draw for a long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841889
Looks like your average shoujo manga from the 00's.

[Anonymous No.]

>all these crabs ITT
Haha, faggots that will never make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19842356
Tracing and referencing are completely different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19842447
Or other people’s shit. Or even seeing someone do it at all because it means they won’t get better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19842815
Art is pointless, plagiarism is based. Nene should tell iofi to die and then trace more.

[Anonymous No.]

Super Nene-chi love
ALL SEANIGS HATE

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843502
We should tell Nene to stop talking to that bitch Iofi!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
Iofi is such a jealous bitch I bet she had multiple orgasms when nenechi got into trouble because that girl is actually cute and popular unlike the burqa alien.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19842680
“”””””Artists”””””” are just jealous that tracers are better artists than them.

[Anonymous No.]

Notice how actual professional artists like Ina and Sana haven't said anything, they don't give a fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19842447
>their

nobody want's to steal from her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
Imagine being lectured by a broke ass deviant art tier side-brancher with one tenth of your audience. Nene is a saint.

Meanwhile professional artist Ina could give a shit if Nene traces.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843688
They refused to support Nene despite the fact she did nothing wrong. Fuck those bitches, if they aren’t with us they’re against us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843812
Ina is a tracer too that also steals all her work because she is smart like Nene.
But she didn’t show any solidarity with Nene, she is a fucking traitor gook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841694
she's ID so it doesn't count

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843688
Ina is not even capable of feeling negative emotion

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843885
Nene called her Senpai though. Was Nene wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843966
She's just being polite

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843922
That is because she is a Korean dog that hates the Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843922
Ina is Korean she can't feel any emotion

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841889

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843885
and you will never be Japanese, so you dont count nigger

[Anonymous No.]

I’m glad a backstabber like Santa has her own back break.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
I do think it's very funny that Iofi can't actually draw, but her design isn't exactly oriented towards figure anime drawing. I always figured lore-wise Iofi would be good at pic related. However her schtick being shitty middle school chibi doodles is, admittedly, hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839854
It's called being passionate about something you faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>19844128
bet you thought this looked clever. Oooh two back metaphors ooooh! That'll show 'em you're not ESL

[Anonymous No.]

>>19844128
I mean Sana, she is bitch and hate Nene. Too lazy for show it like ifoi.
Iofi hate! Ina hate! Sana hate!
NENE LOVE!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19844225
Die indog, iofi a shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19844017
Ina is Nene's wife. Nene wouldn't like you saying bad things about her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19844017
Yet here she is, drawing Japanese cartoons professionally and work for a Japanese company

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843114
Not in the twitter-sphere.
Do both anyway

[Anonymous No.]

you're all retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>19842655
this, i wish someone had told me before

[Anonymous No.]

>>19842655
I might actually do that if I have some cash to throw away, bet their managers won't even let it pass through the gifting shit. "Human anatomy for beginners"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841889
I only see one thing wrong here. Why do people trash her art so much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839854
t.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19842655
PUSSY ANATOMY FOR BWGIGNNENERS
ALL MY FAULT AMLL MY FAULT FIAP!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843883
>literally draws everything onstream

Whatever nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841889
she needs to flip her drawing before posting them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19844504
Not true.

[Anonymous No.]

iofi if you're here don't listen to these jealous faggots, they're just mad they can't draw anything. keep going, your art is already professional level 10/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>19844723
Shut up indog, Ina is a tracer just like her wife.
But there is nothing wrong with tracing, ina should admit it like her wife or she’s no better than iofi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19844647
She is a indog bitch that trick and hate Nene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19845097
Ina is on stream, drawing art approximately 50 times better than Iofi (give or take), literally right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19845643
Because she knows tracing is based and does it like her wife Nene.
Nothing wrong with stealing, that is why Ina and Nene do it. Iofi is just jealous she can’t even do tracing. Ina only shit for not defending wife.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19845756
Ya'll seeing this fucking mongrel speak right now ? Christ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19845756
any example of her tracing? if it's just tracing over photos, then whatever, but if it's tracing another anime piece, then that's a big no no. What Nene did has legal ramification, but a photo tracer like Araki doesn't have to worry about such things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19846232
>if it's just tracing over photos, then whatever
Why? What makes tracing over a drawing that doesn’t belong to you any worse than tracing a photo that doesn’t belong to you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19842356
thats horrible advice, retard. tracing doesn't do anything to help you improve outside of maybe line control.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841889
lol, sora has the opposite of fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19846342
because all artists do it and deemed it okay. they only get pissed when their works are being traced. i didn't make the rules..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19846232
>>19846342
Araki doesn’t trace though, just references.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19846342
It isn’t any better and artists will still get shit on when inevitably caught. Shou, the PRISM, mangaka was revealed to be a major tracer of pictures and got his manga canned almost immediately after the news broke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841889
too soulful for vt

[Anonymous No.]

HOW DO I KNOW THE LINE BETWEEN TRACING AND USING REFERENCE, IT'S TOO MUCH AUTISM FOR ME

[Anonymous No.]

>>19846170
Iofi is bad artist and jealous bitch of Nene and Sana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841889

[Anonymous No.]

Man I can just imagine nene rolling her eyes out her sockets listening to Iofi trying to give art advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841889
iofi's art seems to never improve, she needs to ask Ina for advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>19846384
Art is for suckers, why struggle when you can just trace some loser?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847092
>massive horse cock

[Anonymous No.]

>>19840161
How did Nene manage to trace in real time? That's kind of a talent all on its own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847013
>reference
>looking at something and drawing what you see
>tracing
>laying your canvas on top of another picture/drawing, then copying the lines directly

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847092
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvu9itUS8eU

[Anonymous No.]

what if i draw something without references or photos and post it on twitter, then find out it's really similar to some drawing from nip artist #62638? it's too much autism for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847165
Not hard, Ina does it all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847327
With traces drawings you can layer them back together and lines will match up exactly. That is how Nene got caught.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19846871
he only got canned because people were pissed this was taking time away from his cunny doujins. guys like togashi had no problems whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847392
i see, thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847092
Ok, this just cements Nene just being nice towards Iofi's "advice"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847329
>all the time
give me just one example, nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847456
Togashi got hated for that too but it isn’t like you can make him draw less since he is already at nothing. How many weeks has he been on “hiatus” now?
That Pokémon artist got canned for tracing recently for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847502
Nene brought up Iofi alone during the stream so we would know to hate her!
Iofi HATE!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847624
>weeks
ahahahaahahahah

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847613
she traced her own art, sameface syndrome

[Anonymous No.]

>Iofi isn't mad at Nene
>Nene isn't mad at Iofi
>Artist whose art was traced isn't mad at Nene
>No further consequences

Dramafags btfo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847613
Watch streams and check the archive.
Why are you mad though? Nothing wrong with tracing, Ina knows because she is a professional rather than some hack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847840
I’m mad at iofi. Nene probably too but just wouldn’t say it openly. Iofi is a jealous bitch that hate nene from her tweet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847843
> Nothing wrong with tracing
stfu nene

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839854
bitch has nothing going on except trying to leech from nene situation

[Anonymous No.]

You'd think she'd be busy enough running two 24/7 streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847926
> Iofi is a jealous bitch that hate nene from her tweet.
what

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
why tf it's iofi of all people what the fuck is wrong with that indog?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847939
Iofi is jealous of pro tracers like Ina and takes it out on Nene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847939
nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>19848018
cope indog

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847978
Iofi hate Korean ina for tracing so attack ina wife Nene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19848052
nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847755
>>19847843
that ain't tracing. stop equating complacency with tracing. unless she is drawing over someone else's piece, then it isn't tracing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19848120
She does, look it up. Do your archive reps.
Ina traces because she is based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19848227
stfu nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>19848240
Fuck off Iofi, tracing is the best way to make good art. Don’t hate the ina, hate the game.

[Anonymous No.]

Bunch of shitty ass rp up in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839854
post work

[Anonymous No.]

>>19848227
Links or it didn't happen. Or are you gonna sit here for eternity screaming about Ina tracing with nothing more than "source: I made it the fuck up" to back your claims?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19844785
She needs more than just that, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
What happened to iofi? :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>19848645
do your reps newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>19849258
Nothing, Iofi is just known to hate people tracing without crediting the artist and Nene was caught doing that. When cover announced that the tracing was confirmed and Nene posted an apology video and tweet, Iofi tweeted nene saying that if Nene needed someone to talk to she was available. It seems nene took Iofi up on that and the two were talking a bunch these past few days since Nene mentioned it in her latest stream and thanked her for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19849554
>It seems nene took Iofi up on that
Oh no, now her drawings will be as bad as loafy's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843817
t. Nene

[Anonymous No.]

>>19849647
Only if she starts tracing Iofi instead.

[Anonymous No.]

Indogs are disgusting
Monkey face banana eating tree hugging street shitting bunch of uncivilized niggas

[Anonymous No.]

>>19849846
Yes, someone should honor kill Iofi like a kaffir. She poison Nene with ideas that tracing bad, not based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847163

[Anonymous No.]

why is iofi acting all high and mighty despite being an indog?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850041
After she got away with bullying Gura she became too full of herself

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850316
If not for Iofi purposefully sabotaging Gura, gura would have 5 or 6m subs by now. She should never be forgiven for being such an evil piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19849554
Ah, so just anons funposting, thanks for the clarification!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850570
Fuck off indog. This is all iofi and ina's fault.

[Anonymous No.]

>CLIPNIGGER thread followed by a bunch of vtsister posts
Why are Americans like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839854
COLLAB】 Mogging Iofi-senpai!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFsdItkJ3Zw

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
>>19842356
>>19845756
>>19847392
>>19848338
>>19849554
Ya'll retarded. Tracing has never been a problem.
She tried to sell it. That's the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19851002
So what? Making your own art is for retards when you can just let someone else do the work and then rip it off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850943
Iofi needs to trace more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19851575
Maybe Ina can teach her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19851643
She tried but it didn't work. See >>19850943

[Anonymous No.]

>>19849647
Kek
Iofi ruined another holo yet again

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847165
Great artists can trace in real time. People like Kim Jung Gi projects invisible sketch from their eyes that only they can see and they just trace the sketch from thereon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19842447
>>19843186
I'll never understand why

[Anonymous No.]

>>19851002
How is that any different from what hololive already does?
They make money by presenting someone's work, video games, in their own way.
It's the same principle as tracing, take something someone else has made and add your own stuff to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19851837
Maybe the reason Iofi wanted to talk to Nene was to get tracing advice from her because Ina wouldn't share.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19852315
When you put alot of work on something you dont want people stealing it
The difference between big and small artists is that since big artists are more used to and already made a name for themselves they generally care less because they dont really have much reason to, doesnt mean people like ina or sana support tracing (unless its for study or learning purposes)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
Iofi has so much pride for her shitty art, it's honestly admirable. She's still a bitch though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19852557
Because they don't claim they made the games they play and get permissions first. Even when Iofi ranted about tracing last year it wasn't just tracing, it was specifically tracing without crediting the original.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
this fucking seanigger think she's the shit huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>19852666
>Because they don't claim they made the games they play
Well maybe they should.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19852784
She's van Gogh by indog standards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
>>19840474

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
How many niji en chuba in this thread ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19852615
>When you put alot of work on something you dont want people stealing it

If you're upset due to the tracing of paid work, you're an idiot because you already got paid and if when doing art for money that's all that matters.

If you're upset due to the tracing of free work, then it means you had ulterior motives and a sick ego and you didn't do it out of passion for art.
The only part that matters in art is that you created something, if you're concerned about backlash/tracing/etc. then it means your heart was never in it and you're seeking something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19842356
Tracing is fine to get a foundation of a piece but you should still actually learn anatomy and construction and perspective and gesture so you can understand how to correct edit what you trace into something new.
Its like in cooking where you almost always use an already made recipe as a foundation and change it to fit what you are trying to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847013
reference is looking at something and drawing what you see, whereas tracing is directly drawing over the image
HOWEVER, you can still get in trouble if you reference something and what you drew is nearly identical to the image you referenced. It’s still considered plagiarism.
The smartest thing to do is to look at multiple references and create something unique from that. Tracing is fine for practice (safest to just not post that work) or if you only trace an image to measure out proportions or something like that, and then draw the rest yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

At least 3 holos and around 12 nijis are posting in this very thread. Spread the word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847092
SOMEONE GET THIS GIRL A LOOMIS FACE BOOK
Rest looks nice imo, she clearly puts most her time into light

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
POST YOUR WORK, ASSHOLE

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841070
Can I get a quick rundown?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853151
about 9 of them idk, sounds funny

[Anonymous No.]

>not a single crab posted their work here
>still have the audacity of criticizing someone else
Sugoi

[Anonymous No.]

But only mediocre and shit artist care about tracing, because pros know that it's going to happen anyway, but know that they're so good that people will keep commissioning art from the original artist anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853385
I don't need to be Bobby Flay to know the food tastes bad anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853385
I guess if you're not a professional chef or culinary scientist you don't know whether food tastes good or not huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853168
People just dont want their work stolen its really not that hard to understand and you dont need to go to mental gymnastics to justify it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853320
You don't have to be a chef to know when the food's shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853459
>>19853477
>food analogy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853168
Exactly, this is why all plagiarism is based. If you're typing up a paper for a research journal, it is better to just copy your data from someone else to save time from needing to do the test yourself. It is still advancing awareness on the topic of study and if people get upset about it then they're just exposing they don't really care about their own research beyond the recognition they might receive.
Doing your own work with anything, paiting, drawing, music, writing, studies is gay and if you do it you are literally a cuck. Citing sources is the most cucked thing a person can ever do. "Morality" is a spook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853385
this is the dumbest argument you can make in defense of bad art

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853385
is this the infamous
twitter tranny logic l keep hearing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853385
This. Unless you’re a master carpenter you have no right to complain about your support beams collapsing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853320
your art will always be bad iofi

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853459
>>19853477
>food analogy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853385
>guys you just don't get it it's supposed to be shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853524
You are from indonesia so you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853385
Wow, it's like no one wants to be associated with this shithole or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853537
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853506
>People just dont want their work stolen
It's not stolen, the original still exists, it was never taken away from the owners possession.

>its really not that hard to understand and you dont need to go to mental gymnastics to justify it
I can't stand spineless worms like you who can't justify their beliefs beyond a surface level
>I believe it...JUST BECAUSE OKAY

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853385
Give me something to trace and I will, I'm not some cuckfag indog.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are >we attacking Iofi over this
In fact even if there were a conflict between them why would >we take Nene's side and not Iofi's when Nene was the tracer

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
Fuck off lofi. Leave Nene alone
Even Redjuice is better at drawing than you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853134
so funny how /vt/ completely ignores this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853537
>Luxury goods = Societal Necessities
You're very smart and nuanced anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853794
Iofi is from indonesia like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853782
Trace the fart battle painting only change all of the farting men into holos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853780
>reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853832
> women cannot possible tell lies in order to remain civil

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853838
>Societal Necessities
No such thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853939
>>19853832
>>19853134
Nenechi is a plagiarizer so she is a known liar, she is probably lying about liking iofi too and wants us to hate her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853902
>not responding to the point yet still replied

[Anonymous No.]

Iofi good Nenshit bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853780
At this point im just gonna assume you are trolling, have a nice day or whatever

[Anonymous No.]

>>19854076
So you admit defeat. I accept your concession, better luck next time with your redditdragon poster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19839630
No offense to iofi but she’s not exactly skilled either, giving others guidance when you’re still at a beginner level can hinder an artist, neither know the basic fundamentals.

If I got to recommend anyone, it would be ina. She’s got a good grasp on shapes, values and gesture which are pretty much the bread & butter of experienced artists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19854518
Advice from Ina is how Nene started tracing in the first place.
Nothing wrong with that though, she should keep tracing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19854198
This >>19853151
>>19853356

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853151
>>19853356
>>19854759
NijiEN has better things to do instead of posting on /vt/.

[Anonymous No.]

based Iofi putting the island nation monkey in her place

[Anonymous No.]

>>19849271
>makes retarded claims
>I don't have to have evidence you need to prove me wrong!
every time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19855381
If you want to stay helpless and ignorant that's okay too. Just one more lie to tell yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19847092
Man loafi really can't draw profile shots at all. wtf is that head shape lmao.
She's the kind of artist that lacks basic anatomical knowledge but tries to hide it by focusing a lot of time on the little details like shading and highlights.
Pretty much putting glitter on a piece of shit.
Her body proportions look fine but she needs to ditch the pointy jawline and make it more round as well as making the iris smaller so they don't have bug eyes like here >>19841889

Just pirate the morpho art books, loafi.

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>>19839630
OBISA !

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>>19855548
Morpho books are good, I bought a few and they’re good study material. I’d also reccomend her looking at art and try to break down the process from an artist she admires, referencing goes a long way.

If anything I hope she takes the time to study up and improve, simplification and some good art books go a long way. (prefer if she ignores iofi advice as well)

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>>19856070
Nene should just keep tracing.

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>>19853782
All this samefag holyshit. It's just showing that you're even more pettier than fucking lofi

[Anonymous No.]

>>19854759
Why would a nijien would be a in /vt/ thread defending Iofi you mongoloid

[Anonymous No.]

>>19857307
They feel they got fucked over by Cover because they were rejected so they sympathize with ID.

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>>19840523
Holobronies love to be tribalistic, even to other Holobronies fans.

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>>19843114


Not really no.

Referencing, tracing, copying, all different facets of the same dynamic.

You think apprentices in the atelier of a 17th century master were told 'juts bee urself lol'? fuck no. Their number one job was to be an assembly line for churning out copies of a masterwork for market sale - and by doing this, they effectively learned the skills of the trade for themselves. The now existence of other means of copying has as a side effect also led to degenerate modernes forgetting how the art of illustration as a *praxis* is done.

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HoloJP seanig vs HoloID Indo fans


State of Holobronies 2022.

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>>19857851
>Things in the past were different from now
Uh huh, astute observation.

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>>19857851
This. I have no idea why tracing and even referencing gets demonized in this day and age.
Everytime I see an artist say that tracing and referencing is evil I just want to comission them drawing a realistic horse on a motorbike.
Have fun drawing that shit without a single reference.

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>>19857735
Americans in general, and every other loud obnoxious pack of polemic rabble rousers.
You can add Russians and Arabs to that list.

[Anonymous No.]

this thread is so fun to read, kek
thank's OP

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>>19858431
Everytime I see an artist say that tracing and referencing is evil I just want to comission them drawing a realistic horse on a motorbike.
Have fun drawing that shit without a single reference.
Why bring up referencing as if anyone here is attacking it?

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>>19853385
>posted their work here
>Anonymous
Son are you retarded? i think you are

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>>19841889
what do you guys think of this edit, I hope ifoi doesn't mind

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>>19853335
Sloppy recap:
>among us en/id/jp first big collab
>iofi and kiara attempt to translate and iofi says she's willing to do so
>gura tries to claim she's not the killer and Iofi basically translates nothing of what she says
>jps and some ens vote out Gura
>Gura is kinda pissed off about it
>Chumcuks are big mad and start giving Iofi shit about it
>Iofi then says on Twitter she didn't want to translate since it's tough on the fly, basically backtracking her earlier statement
>Gura and the other EOPs in EN never play Amogus with JPs again

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>>19859197
Not bad, but Sora's eyes are still off.

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>>19858262


You're a big stupid dumdumhead, anon.

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Imagine defending a tracer.
If Nene wasn't a le anime waifu, you would absolutely shit on her right now

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>>19841070
Maybe don't be such a monolingual in 21st century?

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>>19859372
Yes and?

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>>19859372
imagine chocking on my cock lmao

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>>19854823
Reimu is literally /here/ multiple hours a day
Hi, Reimu.

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>>19859372
I hate tracer. Doesn't mean I have to love deviantart self-proclaimed artist.

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>>19858523
Sounds like Alpha energy that you know nothing of.

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>>19839630
Kek why does Iofi think she's qualified to give art advice to anyone?

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>>19859714
T. burger

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>>19853385
I literally cannot post any of my art here or people would know who I am and I don't want you fuckers bothering me on twitter

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>>19851002
Tried to sell it while being a friend of the person who made the original who was also being sold at the same time. There's no actual crime here. Tracing is pretentious nonsense anyway. It's not actually a crime and not even as morally questionable as sampling in music but the majority of people who get upset about it also think reference material is tracing even though every artist does that. You see artists get accused of tracing all the time because they use reference images because it's the same concept except a professional just hides it better.

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>>19860953
>Tried to sell it while being a friend of the person who made the original
And others too, Nenechi didn't limit herself to just Yuri Yuru.
>the majority of people who get upset about it also think reference material is tracing even though every artist does that
Why did you bring that up here though where no one complained about such a practice? Some form of strawman?

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>>19860300
stfu sana

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>>19861196
Because I read a lot of manga and literally 90% of threads complaining about tracing are about reference material. The fact is the two things are intimately related. Even if we lived in a world where most complaints about tracing were about tracing and not reference material, there would still be no argument for why one is okay and not the other. If you are against "tracing", you should be against remixing too. Which many people are, but it's also ridiculous there. It's an argument of morality over fucking art. Once you get into that territory there are many people who would argue it's immoral to earn money for art to begin with.

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>>19858641
You’re welcome cutie

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>>19847948
It's hard out here for ID

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>>19860953
>>19853168
>>19851283
>>19852557
Imagine you create an open source app and somebody just copy paste your source code, do a slight modification on the UI and sell it.

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>>19847456
Togashi cancelled himself, so it's ok

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>>19865600
Why would I make an app when I can just let someone else do it and steal it myself?

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>>19853385
This bait works everytime

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>>19854034
well, its working..

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>>19839630
Every single content on the internet should have a legitimate ownership. So, when something like this happen again, they can just sue each other.

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>>19866070
>>19866226
>No new IP

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>>19853794
>Why are >we attacking Iofi over this
because shes a dogpiling cunt. nene didn't need to also be cancelled by her own senpai with the amount of heat she was already receiving. iofi could have just DM'd her some suggestions rather than virtual signal like a bitch.

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>>19866291
>Dog-piling
publicly voicing your support, availability and well wishes?
>virtue signal
That isn't what that phrase means.

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>>19866512
>publicly voicing your support, availability and well wishes?
>publicly
what does nene have to gain from that message being public instead of in private DM?

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>>19866960
Why did Haachama publicly tweet Rushia during her drama?
Lets her know that Iofi is unafraid of showing her support of Nene immediately, despite being an artfag herself. And it does seem that Nene took her up on it too. It's nice that she had friends like Iofi there for her during the drama, especially considering Nene's depression.

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>>19860250
t. Yurocuck or Spicskin

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>>19867248
>haachama
also an attention whore, but at least she wasn't saying 'you fucked up' under her breath. i would also rather eat haachama rice than get art advice from iofi.

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The fuck happened now?

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>>19853459
>>19853477
>"you shouldn't criticize something if you don't have experience with it
>"I DONT NEED TO BE GUY FIERI TO KNOW WHEN MY TRIPLE PATTY BIG MAC WITH EXTRA LARGE FRIES IS MISSING THE SECOND HEAPING OF MAYO"

why are americans like this?

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>>19866291
literally everyone already knows how iofi feels about this stuff
why the fuck would she bother keeping her reaction private

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>>19869682
>>19853134
>>19840474
>>19849554

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>>19859455
Being monolingual is the norm is plenty of countries. Not a majority, but it's not uncommon and not just Anglo nations. It's primarily countries who either have multiple languages in its borders or are in need to learn English/other big language in the region that are bilingual. And of course, if you move to another country, you should speak their language as well. But while Anglos get shit for being monolingual, even in their own nations, Japs never seem to get the same level of shit for the same issue.

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Can someone spoonfeed me on how Iofi is related to this whole Nene business

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>>19874048
Read the thread.

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>>19854616
Tracing is not a crime, tracing and selling it as a merch is.

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>>19858262
>society goes through peaks of virtue where people get complacent and troughs of niggerdom wherein people wonder why everything sucks
Such is human nature.

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>>19874048
Nene is dumb
Apologizes and pulls traced stuff
Iofi decides she is personally impacted by this and makes a bunch of tweets
Luckily no one cares about ID so she doesn't get in trouble for being a self-important retard.

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If Iofi wasn't so bad at drawing I wouldn't have so much secondhand cringe. Her reaching out to Nene to give tips makes me curl up in embarassment just hearing about it.

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>>19869915
Because it's the truth and you have no argument against it.
Nothing wrong with tracing either, but that's a separate matter.

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>>19847013
I can actually trace a pose from reference and its annoying that both are deemed NOOO YOU CANT in all english art spaces. Like the etiquette is you cant even use a reference without mentioning the reference and the artist. Its a big headache.

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>>19847092
>>19841889

Iofi's coloring are very pretty, however her human faces look very weird.

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Nobody made a joke about Iofi's asshole and posted it, we truly live in sad, sad times

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>>19839630
Why are you seething so much anon? For a holomem that nobody cares about, you sure really love her

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>>19841070
I don't know man maybe gura should learn japanese is been a year and a half.

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>>19878830
assbro... not like this...

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>>19839630
Reminder Nene did nothing wrong

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>>19847165
That's the thing that confuses me.
Nene is blatantly a good artist yet she chose to blatantly trace.
I've done pieces plenty of times over the years, you don't trace directly from the source material, you take that piece, you sketch over it yourself, maybe change some orientations and scales, pixelate it, trace back over that THEN you begin your outlining.
This way you aren't making a blatant trace, just using something as a general foundation to what you want to do, you are making it your own.
This shit happens all the time in the creative industries. There's still multiple games being sold with blatant IP infringements that got settled out of court and some not even that!
At least the Nene case wasn't seen as malicious by the parties involved. Still bewildering.

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>>19839630
Thank god i thought it was iofi
So who's Lofi?

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>>19853524
>>19853590
>>19869915
>Can't respond to analogy so must deflect
Cope

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>>19865600
Like what Google did ?

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>>19874668
>Iofi decides she is personally impacted by this and makes a bunch of tweets
This part didn't happen.

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>>19847165
If you have a tablet you can print the art to trace and draw on top of it. Very clever nene, very clever.

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>>19860953
>the majority of people who get upset about it also think reference material is tracing even though every artist does that.
Except she was tracing, drawing on top of another drawing and not using the mangaka's art as reference. Why try to murk the waters when it's crystal clear what she did?
>There's no actual crime here.
Read below
>>19861890
>The fact is the two things are intimately related.
This is false. Drawing from reference means you're drawing from 0 and only using your eyes and skills to draw the reference in your style. It's different from tracing where you just take something, draw on top of it while tweaking some things. The skill and effort needed between the both of them is completely different and saying they're the same is ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst.
>Once you get into that territory there are many people who would argue it's immoral to earn money for art to begin with.
This is such a dumb take. An artist draws what they're requested and gets paid for it, if the client expects an original art, the client should get just that. Nene was selling her postcard with her drawing on it as a nene original, she was lying and people were not getting what they were paying for.

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>>19839630
Do we hate lofi more than ollie now ?

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>>19840161
Nene still tracing when will she learn her lesson.

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>>19882392
Of course Nene still traces, tracing is based. Investing time in learning to draw is literally cringe when tracing is so much easier. Once a tracer, always a tracer. Nene wasn’t even punished for it because she did nothing wrong, she will keep tracing and there is nothing you can do about it.

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>>19847456
There's a difference when you trace photographs and is that no one can't own a way when the human body moves, and you still need drawing skills if you want to draw the trace in other art style.
But when you take another persons work and literally just trace on top without changing anything you're not learning that's just copying, If the artist wasn't a fan of her she could have been sued and it could have been a bigger yab that it was.

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>>19882628
Iofi pls, seething like this isn't healthy

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>>19847840
It will probably have consequences for Nene's career opportunities as she will seem a lot less attractive as a partner to third parties.

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>>19883882
>More solo Nene streams and Holo only collabs
Sounds good to me

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>>19865600
Pretty sure most apps have copy-pasted code

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>>19882031
Nah, it's just the OP samefagging. just look at all the replies here. nobody seethes over loafy as hard as this guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19881488
imagine letting an indog rent-free in your head

[Anonymous No.]

>>19844647
Because its easier to bring someone else down than to build yourself up.

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>>19881488
>>19884749
Just because something didn’t literally happen doesn’t make it untrue.

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>>19885003
IT WAS REAL IN MY MIND

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One question. Is tracing in the art community the same as plagiarism in academics?

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>>19885527
In what way do you mean?

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>>19855548
>>19856070
people like iofi wont be able to appreciate this kind of stuff, if they did they'd be practicing figure drawing by now
they prefer how to's and tutorials with anime 'style'
I dont understand how she still sucks when sana and ina are one disc message away

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>>19855548
>She's the kind of artist that lacks basic anatomical knowledge but tries to hide it by focusing a lot of time on the little details like shading and highlights.
Extremely accurate, she's trying to make a grand castle on a foundation of sand

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>>19885527
Yes, it is literally plagiarism. The solution to it is the same: Cite your sources.

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>>19885920
The hardest part for many artists is that you need to get worse to get better. When you lack the foundations you can still build something but it will be flawed and unstable. Going back and learning good, true fundamentals you are missing when you are accustomed making things beyond that step can feel very discouraging. This applies to habitual tracers too (whether they plagiarize or give credit), since it is a very easy way to get something when you lack the skills to do it yourself, but if you rely on it to create rather than just to study you’ll be stunting yourself.

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>>19841300
H-hot!
I wish I could've seen it

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>>19883307
>implying photographers don’t own the way their shots are composed
>implying more than 0.1% of mangaka and illustrators have any unique style to speak of
You can’t be serious. There is no difference between tracing a photograph and tracing a drawing. Either they are both wrong or they are not.

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>>19865600
...That's exactly what happens to code lincensed under MIT or BSD. At least with GPL you have a leg to stand on in court.

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>>19887903
They are both wrong if you try to pass it off as untraced and don’t credit the original artist.

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>>19888422
>That's exactly what happens to code lincensed under MIT or BSD.
>lincensed
If it is licensed then it is not the same, we have had this discussion before anon. You are still obligated to include the MIT license when you use it.

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>>19888422
>>19888584
And the same goes for BSD too, you are still to include the BSD license when you use the code.

[Anonymous No.]

What did she mean by this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiX5jGIUonU&t=1634s