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I fucking hate twitch and its community. I fucking hate the twitch chat """funny"""men. I fucking hate donations with VO. I fucking hate raids. I fucking hate hype trains.
Why do most indies use this shit platform instead of youtube?

>> No.19714919

OMEGALUL forsenCD

>> No.19715167

atpRtsd

>> No.19715170
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Y? twitch is pretty cool

>> No.19715277

>>19714818
add channel points to the shit list
I want to go back to how streaming was 10 years ago

>> No.19715376

>>19714818
Because the majority of English speakers who want to watch streams are using Twitch.

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>>19714818

>> No.19715577

>>19714818
There are more viewers over there.
t. indie

>> No.19715588

>>19714818
>Why do most indies use this shit platform instead of youtube?
To grow on Twitch all you have to do is stream a lot, maybe advertise your streams elsewhere once in a while, and hope you get raided. Helps if you have a network of friends to share viewers with too.

On YouTube, grow is entirely dependant on The Almighty Algorithm blessing you and recommending one of your videos. And the algo only likes shorts right now, and only if you upload them consistently and often.

So Twitch is a lot easier on growth if you just want to play video games with your friends. YT is for GFE baiting and actually edited videos.

>> No.19715598

>>19714818
>Why do most indies use this shit platform instead of youtube?
Because you can actually grow on it as an indie streamer unlike youtube

>> No.19715606

now that's not very PogChamp of you

>> No.19715634

One of my friends was watching an osrs streamer he likes. This osrs streamer was some hundred hours into a hardcore when he looked away from his monitor and got killed. My friend then proceeded to use his channel points to purchase nine "MMM Homie"s. When someone purchases an "MMM Homie" the streamer is supposed to do a bad impression of hit animated television character, Marge Simpson, saying "mmm, homie".
These "MMM Homies" were sent with the following message
>Why did you kill your HC is it a strat?

The streamer however, did not take kindly to this and banned him for a week. My friend then donated £5 to this streamer saying "please daddy i am sorry" and was informed he is still banned. After one week he returned, and donated £5, with the message
>I'm back daddy, can I please get my MMM Homies now?
And was banned for another day.

I tell you this, because this was a story told to me as an argument *FOR* Youtube adopting twitch's monetization schemes. Which if this does not properly explain the culture gap between Youtube streams and twitch streams, and why that culture gap should remain, I believe you need to get your head checked.

>> No.19715641

>>19715577
But do you really want a viewerbase of only manchildren that can barely withstand not using the same shitty emoticon for the 10th time in a row?

>> No.19715975

>>19715641
better than no viewership
some people want to actually make a living

>> No.19716247

>>19714818
twitch has more npcs than reddit

>> No.19716251

>>19715641
You don't choose your viewers and I'm on youtube as well, but there hasn't been any growth there.

>> No.19716307

>>19714818
why do people act like twitch hasn't been the default streaming platform
for like the last 10 years

>> No.19716316

Just stop using twitch then

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>>19714818
>Why do most indies use this shit platform instead of youtube?
Because le funny bttv/ffz/7tv emotes

>> No.19716475

>>19715588
>YT is for GFE baiting and actually edited videos
Are there any chuubas that even make edited videos anymore besides stream highlights?

>> No.19716574

>>19716307
/v/ likes to posture

>> No.19716619

>>19714818
Now write this again, but without crying

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>>19714818
The only thing I find superior about twitch are the emotes.
>b-but they're normie shit!
Your favorite chuuba probably rips them off.

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>>19715170

>> No.19716714

>>19716631
I like the emotes too but I can't stand people who say them irl. A friend of mine says monkaS out loud all the time when we're at a bar or some other shit

>> No.19716725

>>19714818
Youtube live streaming is kinda "old" news and is only forced by Japanese streamers.
To be fair, it's working for them well since holofans usually ONLY watch hololive members and thus they are all in one place.

For westerners, twitch is the place where it's easiest to grow, is way more user friendly and whether people like it or not, has much more chat interaction with the streamer rather than being a face in the crowd.

>> No.19716779

>>19716714
Why are americans like this

>> No.19716781

>>19716725
I hate when a streamer interacts with the chat though. I'm here to watch a chuuba play a game, not suck the chat's dick for money.

>> No.19716889

>>19714818
Is more easy to be discovered on twitch, if you don't have a company backing you up on youtube you will forever be ignored

>> No.19716972

>>19715634
so the difference is that youtubefags are sensitive snowflakes whereas twitchfags are self-aware retards who don't throw a fit when chat mods time them out?

>> No.19716995

>>19714818
Because it was the first streaming service and are several years ahead of YT which basically added streaming as an afterthought.

>> No.19717027

>>19716781
Then you are better off watching hololive since outside of supachats, they don't interact much and just straight play the games.

People who watch on twitch (especially indie vtuber viewers) like the interaction a lot more since they can ask questions/talk to the streamer and it's very difficult to do that on YT.

>> No.19717032

>>19716714
No fucking way. How old are you guys

>> No.19717178

>>19714818

> Twitch and it's community
OK, every community is different
> Twitch chat ""funny"" men
OK, every community is different
> Donations with VO
Watch someone who doesn't use those then, but you actively hate the features that allow tubers to monetize better
> Raids
You actively hate a feature that allows tubers to grow
> Hype trains
I guarantee nobody is paying attention to the scamtrain but you, but assuming they were you actively hate the feature that improves tuber monetization

So like, you pretty much hate the things that allow indie tubers to be successful both financially and growth wise, so don't ask "why use twitch"

>> No.19717254

>>19714818
As shitty as Twitch is and as much as I hate it, Youtube is even worse.

>> No.19717263

>people unironically endorsing twitch
You guys make me physically ill. Walk off a bridge with the rest of your cult.

>> No.19717283

>>19716781
Might as well just watch a video if the live aspect matters so little to you - why would you watch the thing at a designated time otherwise when you can wait for a VOD and fast forward through their piss breaks?

>> No.19717304

>>19717178
>So like, you pretty much hate the things that allow indie tubers to be successful both financially and growth wise, so don't ask "why use twitch"
You shouldn't become a VTuber (especially an indie) expecting to actually make money off of it. It should only be a side-gig at most, while you have an actual 9-5.
Just because it allows you to "monetize", doesn't mean it's a good feature.

>> No.19717322

>>19717263
I like how we've managed to get to a point where you can feel like you're better than other people for preferring YouTube, of all websites

>> No.19717406

>>19717304
That's your opinion, I'm sure the people who put hours of work into this and spend hundreds or thousands on models and rigging have a very different opinion

>> No.19717434

>>19717406
t. moneylet

>> No.19717889

>>19715641
>viewerbase of only manchildren
>doesn't read youtube chat
Better than cultivating seanig and sandnig schizos who don't even pay a single cent and shit up your stream while having the power to put retards on a leash with better spam and moderation tools.

>> No.19718314

>>19717889
Just remove chat altogether. It's gonna make every stream 10x better.

>> No.19718362

>>19717434
> In which pure innocent anon discovers people are doing indie vtubing in the hope of being successful and making money rather than staying as a perpetual 2view

Sorry to shatter your illusions bud

>> No.19718487

>>19717178
tuber making money is not inherently entertaining and those features shit up the content
if I wanted to get grifted, I'd donate to ironmouse so I don't miss out on le epic subathon

>> No.19718510

>>19718314
I enjoy reading the chat, I observe the individuals and analyse their psychology and imagine who they are.

>> No.19718528

>>19714818
Le funni emotes
https://7tv.app/emotes/60ae8fe3229664e86632eef3
https://7tv.app/emotes/60ae958e229664e8667aea38
https://7tv.app/emotes/60a55d1e718f01430990c7d6
https://7tv.app/emotes/611d32a595ab6c6c0e2f8bbc
https://7tv.app/emotes/6144b8fb7b14fdf700b945ef
Random user: https://7tv.app/users/60af6678a564afa26e61f9b5

>> No.19718547

This whole thread should just clue in any indies who might be doubting themselves because of what they read on /vt/ to take literally everything posted here with a humongous grain of salt

>> No.19718639

>>19714818
all your memes come from twitch

>> No.19718684

>>19714818
Okay Susan

>> No.19718726

>>19718547
An indie who's good at their job doesn't need to doubt themselves. If they're doubting themselves it's a sign that they're shit at what they're doing.

>> No.19718855

>>19718547
No sane person would take anything posted on here seriously.

>> No.19718881

>>19715277
Yeah, and cowboys wanted to return to their horseback heyday in the mid-1800s, but progress continued to march, as did the times. Accept change, faggot.
>b-b-but muh sovl
Concession accepted.

>> No.19718929

>>19718726
Also true, but I'm coming at this from a general mental fortitude angle as well. A lot of these indie vtubers are just in it for validation and social fulfillment, as backwards as that may be. Some of them need to have things spelled out for them, especially the ones putting stock in what the vtuber board on 4chan have to say

>> No.19719016

>>19718929
Fuck do I care about their mental state, they either entertain me or I'm out of there.

>> No.19719025

>>19718855
I agree, but one can become sane or at least slightly less insane. I just felt like I should say that on the off chance it does something good for at least one weirdo reading this thread. Clearly at least one or two people were invested enough to respond to this thread in earnest.

>> No.19719182

>>19717032
30. Hes married and has 2 children.

>> No.19719189

youtube's chat experience sucks dick
simple as

>> No.19719262

>>19719189
>>19718314

>> No.19719283

>>19719182
NotLikeThis

>> No.19719333

>>19719182
Why haven't you beaten him to death and stolen his family yet?

>> No.19719393

>>19715641
>But do you really want a viewerbase
Yes, that's why they go to Twitch.

>> No.19719443

>>19714818
canata is kute.

>> No.19719461

>>19719182
Your friend might be the most autistic man on the face of the earth. God bless him and god help his family

>> No.19719487

>>19715577
You become part of the 1% of streamers if you consistently stream to 51 people or more. To be in the 1% of the 1% you need 251+ viewers.

>> No.19719513

>>19714818
I agree on most fronts, but realize we're the minority. The majority will always be people that do not care about most things that the few find infuriating. Most will use whichever platform the streamer they want to watch is on. Streamers themselves have every reason to prefer Twitch if they want a viewership and aren't doing it purely for themselves or their friends.
Youtube won't be competitive for streamers until they implement a half decent way to browser for livestreams. They already have a fucking category system, so it's just a matter of a better interface that allows you to filter on that category specifically. I don't expect them to do this though, and instead they'll continue adding all the viewer interaction features that won't help without this crucial piece for any small streamers.
I've done some streaming on and off since 2011 across Ngame (died in 2011 or early 2012), Twitch, Mixxer, and Youtube. Youtube doesn't come close to being good for the streamer, but feels best as a viewer.

>> No.19719602

Isn't Twitch that place where streamers look at chat before deciding what kind of reaction to have and call it content?

>> No.19719610

>>19718314
What's the point of being a streamer? At that point it's just better to record yourself playing a game and then editing out all the slow bits and make them concise videos?

>> No.19719658

>>19719189
I truly believe that whoever designed the twitch mobile app should never reproduce and should immediately kill themselves to spare humanity of their awful existence.

>> No.19719685

>>19719262
Then it's no different from them recording the video and premiering it.

>> No.19719779

>>19719610
>>19719685

When it's streamed I have a feeling of being there watching this person have fun live.

>> No.19719789

>>19715170
>a clique's agit prop group that literally makes money off of drama.
>dogshit reaction culture and moralfag fart sniffing farms
>legit insane fanbases that outrivals kpop fans: mental gymnastics to defend their substitute friends

>> No.19719797

>>19718528
Implying a handful of channel specific emotes running out of a 3rd party extension that is the distinct third most popular in the category of sidestepping official ones is in any way relevant to the discussion

>> No.19719941

>>19719779
Good for you, but a lot of people like to interact and talk with the streamer through chat. The point of the stream becomes pointless when you remove that aspect. There's a reason why those people are watching streams rather than VODs.

>> No.19720034

>>19719779
Just watch a VOD and pretend if you're not interacting, holy shit

>> No.19720120

Tbh I use twitch because it's less demanding on the net side of things, YouTube is crazy with just how much it demands of your internet to stream.

>> No.19720277

>>19718881
You can still be a cowboy.

>> No.19720430

Just stop watching indies. Problem solves.

>> No.19720476

>>19717263
nothing funnier than youtubefags thinking they're some barometer of great content. You're the newfags to this livestreaming hobby, learn your place buddy.

>> No.19720655

>>19720476
No dude. You're the fucking newfag for using a renamed version of justin.tv and I'm the heckin cool oldfag for using and advertising for a Google product

>> No.19720675

>>19720120
I find this interesting. I've seen some vtubers talk about using Twitch on occasion because they're net is not stable enough for Youtube. Maybe it's because Youtube transcodes all quality levels of the stream, where Twitch has a source passthrough.

>> No.19720940

>>19716714
Give him a swift throat-chop next time he does that

>> No.19720972

>>19720655
I was watching Brazilian football back in 2009 on Justin.tv and switched to twitch around 2012 when I started playing LoL. Youtubefags like OP are just upset that their "platform" hasn't produced any funny memes like the retards from the hearthstone section back in 2014-2016.

>> No.19721057

>>19714919
>>19715170
>>19716418
>>19716639
I C bajs

>> No.19721208

>>19718510
How much could you possibly glean from emote spam? I've legit never seen 1 minute of a twitch chat that wasn't 95% emotes

>> No.19721299

>>19718684
Susan and her ilk would rather vtubing not exist at all

>> No.19721364

>>19718881
I'm sure that sounded smart in your head

>> No.19721495

>>19721208
Are you just watching the MOST viewed streamers? Because chat in that regard is the same between YouTube and Twitch. Fast chat with plenty of members only emote spam.

>> No.19721746

>>19714818
Düd. Like.
*slams desk 20 times*
Like, düd.
*farts*
I'm fuckin DONE düd.
*slaps monitor with feet*
L-L-Like, thatsfuggin POGGG-uh düd.
*gesticulates wildly*
Like, düd, thisguysjustmalding, düd.
*brushes bangs*
Like, ACTUAL Pepega, düd, I-I-I don't...
*takes food from mom*

>> No.19721816

>>19721208
I watch a guy with like ~3,000 viewers on average and his chat still manages to be mostly readable and doesn't have very much emote spam.

>> No.19721835

>>19714818
Nothing good can come out from there anyway so just use it as a filter.

>> No.19722557

Twitch is an infinitely better viewing experience, especially with something like alternate viewers and shit. There's also discoverability on Twitch. By not using Twitch, you are actively fucking kneecapping yourself as a small indie, and for what? The "respect" of some sperg who wants to groom you and wants a smaller viewerbase so he won't be called out for being a fucking creep? Youtube sucks dick. Moderation tools suck dick, actual YouTube staff sucks dick, UI sucks dick, everything there just sucks fat, juicy cock. If you don't want to use it, that's fine; fuck off elsewhere you dumb cunt. YouTube spams shit anyway, so you can't even claim to have a one up on it.
>t. Indie who moved to Twitch after Youtube kept fucking me over

>> No.19722932

>>19722557
you should get a real job at this point dude

>> No.19723103

>>19722557
>Twitch is an infinitely better viewing experience, especially with something like alternate viewers and shit.
Everything except this is correct. Especially if you have to bring up alternative viewers, which I am sure Youtube has as well but you don't hear about as much because you don't need them. Don't let your salt cloud that part at the very least. I won't call it better enough to warrant the downsides, but Youtube is still better as a viewer. The downsides as a streamer are exceptionally awful though, especially if you don't care about preserving VODs or their view count from the stream itself.
On the viewer side, chat is the main thing Youtube fucks up massively. It's amazing how over engineered it is and how poorly it runs as a result. Twitch had the right idea with using IRC as a base and just extending it to their needs.

>> No.19723420

>>19723103
I'm not them, but I watch streams on both websites and honestly feel like the experience is about the same on both platforms from a viewer's perspective.

>> No.19723940

>>19723420
It's the little things, honestly mostly stuff you only notice if you have particular setups.
For instance, Twitch forces a pre-roll ad most of the time by splicing it directly into the stream HLS playlist. If you don't have adblock, you probably wouldn't know or care, since you are used to ads anyway. There is no such issue on Youtube.
Youtube also transcodes all streams instead of just ones for partners or with enough viewers. Youtube also has a much, much higher bitrate cap allowing for much higher video quality if taken advantage of. Things that the streamer has little reason to care about, but are very nice for the viewer.
Likewise though if you are a viewer that likes to actually use chat, Twitch would probably feel nicer, more responsive, and has some extra features to get that bit of a rush when using it. I am sure there are other things for Twitch as a viewer, but it's been a diceroll for me on whether the site loads pages properly or not for years now, even with umatrix and ublock completely disabled. I'll chalk that up to my own setup regardless though, as I can't imagine something like that would go without major complaints if it were common.
That, combined with the pre-roll ad that even streamlink can't fully get away from (it just doesn't show it but still requires you wait it out), makes me just not bother watching Twitch streams.

>> No.19724138

>>19714818
Youtube eats a chunk of your "Live viewers" such that at one point there were people who had ZERO Live viewers displayed, but chat was moving with a pace of at least 10-50 people.
That alone is enough to justify fucking off to Twitch for many indies, since they live/die on that CCV number to attract more viewers.

>> No.19724378

Because youtube is worse

>> No.19725048

>>19723940
You don't get ads with streamlink and you don't need to wait it out. You might have an old version of streamlink installed or you need to configure it correctly.

>> No.19725691

>>19725048
Indeed I guess they added an explicit option for disabling ads a few years ago. I'll test this out and might be more open to watching Twitch streams again if it works. Thanks.

>> No.19726227

>>19714818
I hate twitch too, but once they have 10-25 viewers they can start growing there. On Youtube that's not enough to get them into any algorithm unless their description metadata spam is really strong or they do yabs. On Youtube they need to grow with subs first before streaming brings enough money to survive.

>> No.19727289

>>19714818
most western streamers use twitch, most asian streamers use youtube

>> No.19727392

>>19727289
>most asian streamers use youtube
Really? I've heard Koreans have their own video site they use over YouTube. You can also find plenty of Japanese streamers on Twitch as well. Are the majority of the YouTube Japanese streamers vtubers?

>> No.19727406

>>19714818
Unless I'm blind, I don't see a way to sort streamers by vtubers on youtube like you can on Twitch.

>> No.19727426

i love animations that fill half the screen and the streamer stops and yells YO KEKINCEL1488 WELCOME TO THE BOYPUSSY ARMY MAKE SURE TO POST SOME EPIC KIPPARASCISTS IN THE CHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.19727538

>>19727392
I found a korean vtuber streaming to 10k viewers before so there's an audience there somewhere.

>> No.19727574

>>19727426
They do the same thing on Youtube.

>> No.19727647

to put it simply: algorithm

if you're a brand new chuuba to the scene it's significantly easier to build a following on twitch. whereas on youtube you can remain a 2view for literal years

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>>19716418
hell yea brother
bring the P A I N

>> No.19727774

>>19715167
based aris enjoyer

>> No.19727847

>>19714818
Twitch is what happens when you let /s4s/ and YouTube poop grow and evolve

>> No.19729305

2views might make more money on Twitch and good for them, but in exchange you trade having any control over your community at all. I'll stick with the soulful 2view vtuber than your vtwitcher, thanks anyway.

>> No.19729681

>>19714818
We get it Holofag, (You) don't enjoy anything except jacking off, saying "ogey rrat", and dead Coco memes. You're not the target audience.

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