CyberLive Double Graduation

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Kaneko Lumi and Amaris Yuri are graduating from CL at the end of the month.
https://twitter.com/lumikaneko/status/1500577207697170433
https://twitter.com/AmarisYuri/status/1500576958970691589

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About what I would expect from a Cyber live manager, but why Yuri too?

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>>19709313
WHAT

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WAT

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I feel bad for the panda idol.

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Didn’t think Amber Glow would outlast CyberLive but here we are

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>>19709528
Cyberlive is dead

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And with that, the only RTS chuuba disappears into the ether. Fucking hell.

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>gets a 3D model
>graduates a month after
???

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will people accept cyberlive is just yunity rebranded now? over half of the founding talents have bailed now

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>>19710049
Gen 2 I'd say is pretty strong.

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Hylo wasn't enough to satisfy her bloodthirst, huh.

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Terumi I kneel

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>>19709528
vtubing is a dying fad.

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Okay, so which of them made it into one of the larger corpos?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH GET FUCKED HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

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Small companies are drooping like flies

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>>19710235
>neither's retiring her character
What do you think?

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>>19710255

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Wait, what the fuck?

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>>19710235
Neither. They’re taking their models and going indie. CyberLive contracts gave ownership to the talents, so nothing was stopping them from using the company to grow and then bailing. Lumi and Yuri are greedy whores.

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>>19710139
How about after a new outfit?

>>19710209
Not really. Just the low tier (more) mismanaged companies are. Industries are always supported by the top 3 and the rest are picking at the leftovers.

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>>19710293
>>19710344
Ah, I assumed this was a traditional graduation and didn't realize this was just them cutting ties with their company

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So for all her twitch subs I guess.

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>>19710344
nah. people with a functioning brain have been pointing out how fucked up CL is in its management and business. This makes perfect sense

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>>19710344
what a retarded company

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>>19709528
Double graduation for double literal whos.

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>>19710209
>It's dying
>There is a rush to get more male vtubers up
Sure thing buddy.

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ANOTHER DAY ANOTHER HAPPENING MAKE IT FUCKING STOP

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>>19710433
This. The company is beyond fucked.

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>>19710433
But she was it's management

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April fools teehee

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>>19710467
Every day another yab until nuclear winter.

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>>19710344
>so nothing was stopping them from using the company to grow and then bailing
every smart chuuba should do this, use corpos like the retards they are and take the clout (or even better in this case, the identity outright) with you when you're no longer beholden to their bullshit

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>>19710460
When you're small you need to give incentives for people to want to apply. They probably want to beat some of the other small corpos to the punch on certain applicants. Because of this people leaving like this can happen.

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>Lumi graduating
>Peari hasn't streamed in weeks
>Jelly releasing last merch
>Nina....

IS THE HOLOEN 3 DREAM TEAM REALLY CONFIRMED?!

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>>19710485
>Move to management to help get things sorted out
>Realize it's way more fucked than you thought
>GTFO
Done it myself before so I can see that happening.

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>>19710485
anon... she was a talent made management because they had no management.

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>Lumi steals Yuri and runs off with her supas.

H-H-Hot...

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>>19710579
>Jelly in EN 3
>reunited with rrat
wew

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>>19710613
Wew, I can see why she bailed.

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>>19710579
>keeping their models, identities, etc. and just jumping ship to indie land
>"graduation"
lol
lmao

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>>19710674
can't be in two corpos at once after all
and why would they not keep their models if you think about it, contract allows it

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>>19709528
>Come witness the wedding celebration
Damn, but to be fair, her name is literally Yuri.

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>>19710731
I mean, if they were actually joining the big leagues they'd just go for an overall graduation since I can't think of any corpo that lets their streamers stream under another vtuber identity regardless. You can still take the identity with you regardless, but there'd be no reason to frame this like this if your plan wasn't either to go fully indie or to jump into something that models itself after Vshojo

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>Every talent that's gotten a 3D model just up and ran off with it

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>>19710674
with how much Lumi earns, she has more than paid off what she and Yuri are worth. Probably even all of gen 1 is worth.

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>>19710831
>grab an amazing model that fans already know you for
>stream under it for a couple of months
>join holo/niji and rake in the big bucks for a few years
>graduate from them later and return to being indie with your old character
It's a solid plan. Get tons of money real fast, then coast on it and decent earnings for the rest of your life. Kson already proved it works.

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>>19710485
>But she was it is management

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>>19710579
Pear...

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>>19710823
the hololive en gen 3 rrat is dead

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>>19709528
Get fucked Lumi the whore. been busy fucking your black boyfriend huh?

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>>19710912
The point being, if she was already hired and is being onboarded by one of the big two, I doubt they'd let her continue streaming on her own channel in the dead period between being hired and debuting. Every other chuuba that's been in the same situation has graduated (for real) months before their debut.

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>>19710981
This poster is Terumi Koizumi

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Are you faggots idiots? They are doing April Fools

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>>19710974
NOOOOOOOOOO

Actually, it's ok, Lumi and Yuri are kind of an average streamers tbdesu.

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>>19711045
It's not April

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>>19711045
>Haha, April Fools, we only made you THINK we were leaving our company because it's doomed to fail and falling apart at the seams!

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>>19711045
>April Fools on March the 6th

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>>19710579
>Nina's first 3D live right after
Uhhhhhhh guys

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>>19711045
https://twitter.com/AmarisYuri/status/1500583072458182656

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So where does this rumor that they're becoming big corpos come from? Neither niji or hololive are prepping for a new wave within the next month or so, and why go from one shitty corp to a slightly bigger shit corp?

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>>19711082
>>19711096
>>19711102
>>19711179
they are doing it on march 31 which is April 1 in japan faggots.

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>>19710974
Miori left MyHoloTV to become an "indie" only to immediately join Tsunderia

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>>19711212
it's called cope and what this board does anytime someone they watch graduates

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>>19711228
You don't prepare April Fools jokes a month in advance.

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>>19711212
Holobronies see how good smaller chuubas are but don't want to escape their bubble

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>>19709528
>Lumi
HoloEN3 incoming

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>>19711179
>please continue to support all of CyberLive, because we won't be!

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>>19711230
Do you seriously think Hololive or Nijisanji would actually keep or use the Lumi/Yuri identities and models? We're not talking about a Suisei here.

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>>19711045
The reason they're waiting until March 31 is probably for business reasons; contracts, billing cycles and contractor payments usually work monthly cycles, and no one wants to fuss with partial payouts if they don't need to. Not so they can go
>LOLOL, March 31st is April 1st in some timezome somewhere
Plus, announcing it in March defeats the purpose of April fools.

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>>19711228
CyberLive is an American company and both of these girls are in NA

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>>19711212
They choose their candidates 6-10 months before debut.

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>>19709528
Happening incoming

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>>19711212
What rumour? You mean random faggots on /vt/ posting fantasy company pickups?

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>>19711282
>deleted
lol

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>>19709528
Wait what
Last I seen Lumi she was moving to Twitch, did she get her company banned for not sending mods nudes or something?

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>>19709528
FUCK I WANTED TO DICK THEM BOTH DOWN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
At least they cucked my oshi out of her wedding stream idea.
>>19710974
Alright. Good for them.

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>>19711317
They probably had to put in a notice at the start of the month.

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>>19711414
She probably still is, they're just "graduating" from their shit corpo but keeping their characters

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>>19710579
>>19711348
This could be it.

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>>19711212
It gives them time to stream and build their indie fanbase a bit before joining the big two.
Because both of them have just opened auditions now, they won't debut their new generations/waves until the usual time of mid September. There's plenty of time between now and then.

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>>19711228
CyberLive has nothing to do with Japan, retard

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>>19711228
Please stop wasting copium, this board consumed so much of it lately we're having a worldwide shortage

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>>19709528
Was the (NTR) really necessary

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>>19711463
I mean, Yuri already tweeted that she explicitly meant going independent and not that she's stopping vtubing.

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>>19710831
>I can't think of any corpo that lets their streamers stream under another vtuber identity regardless
Athena moved to AkioAIR but she did get new model
Shit happens but mostly as a way to buff themselves up for new companies I think

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>>19711497
Yes it was, Ivan.

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>>19711467
>>19711348
retards

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>>19711212
Just speculation since indies usually try to join them.
Hololive auditions opened up in January and Nijisanji opened up very recently.

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>>19711032
Not true for the newest nijis. Fulgur graduated the day before debut and Ukis last pl upload was like 12 hours before debut

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>>19711596
Are they though? Only yuri has tweeted about going indie.

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>>19711348
Stop, I already got burned two times thinking Pear would go to Hololive and Niji. I'm happy enough she is alive as her current self right now.
Would be happier if she streamed but she can take her time Ayame taught me to be patient

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>>19711497
They would usually collab on Thursdays and they're both quite aware of gosling culture, so they called it NTR Thursdays since they're "in love" and cuck their fans once a week.

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>>19711692
>Lumi could end up in NijiEN female hell
please no

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>>19711348
Who would you add as the 5th member?

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>>19711706
Yuri's clarification tweet uses "we"

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>>19711730
Peari has a real shot of making it too, if she applied.

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>>19711761
If their latest Red Nijimale can be based, imagine the havoc Lumi could bring

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>>19711536
Yeah, just new corps. No way a established company would adopt existing vtubers. It reduces the compan'y negotiation advantage, and removes the leverage that they would have over a talent if the corporation owned the model (leverage with which they can demand cooperation, or extract a higher cut of payments, possibly even discourage them from leaving the company all-together).

>>19711625
There's no way they're getting picked up right away. Firstly because any decent contract would have a non-compete clause with a cooldown time of at least six months, maybe a year. Secondly it would make the vtuber and possibly the hiring company look bad, like they're poaching talent or the vtuber is a greedy backstabber.

If they're picking up someone, it's almost certainly better to do it after a year if they ever do.

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>>19711821
Didn't this exact thing happen and they became one of Tsunderia's highest earners? I see no downside.

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>>19710649
>Jelly in EN 3 reunited with rrat
>Best EU indie ca get along with anyone. Kiara gets a level-headed collab partner
>Peari translator of the gen

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>>19711821
Rosemi, Petra, Bae, and Kronii were all from other corpos, and I think only Petra had been graduated for longer than a year

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>>19711821
>1 year after to pick someone up
that's 3 years in vtuber time

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>>19711958
Because Miori puts in an insane amount of work into her channel, shorts, and music to the detriment of most other aspects in her life. It's unclear how much being in Tsunderia has helped her, if at all.

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>>19711978
It would be perfect......... But I don't trust holo management to overcome nepotism for objectively best girls.

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>>19712077
she have ura

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>>19711348
Hololive would have to prove that they can do better than that for third gen.

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>>19712150
Ura did shit

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>>19712146
Jelly IS nepotism, anon

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>>19712287
If there is one thing I have learned from this board, it's that everything is nepotism.

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>>19712287
Did her and bae even interact?

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>>19712586
anon..... your PL reps

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>>19712146
If HoloEn management wants something different, fine BUT they must do better than MJ, Lumi, Nina, Peari.

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>>19709528
Who?

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>>19711978
Peari would fit right in with Sana in never streaming.

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>>19709528
What the fuck.

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>>19711770
Yuuka bear

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>>19712867
Who do you have in mind?

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>>19713092
I enjoy this bears memes.

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>>19712146
>to overcome nepotism
Jelly and Yuria it is then

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>>19711821
Didn't Rosemi apply while being in a corpo? I wouldn't put it past any of the small corpos to apply to either one while still being under contract.

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>>19709528
>Marriage
Is it legit or just to bait yurifags? Didn't watch much of either outside some peeks into their streams from time to time.

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>>19713315
Its RP, they're both straight and want dick.

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>>19712867
The weakest ones in that lineup are Nina and peari .They could do a lot worse. see 3/5 of council and 2/5 of myth if I’m being honest
Nina might be a bae situation because she tries extremely hard despite not being the most entertaining and end up winning people over because of it.
They should poach miori when they grab jelly for a myholo reunion

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wait, I got a random recommended twit that lumi is graduating, why? never watched her but I sure saw that she got promoted here a lot, what happened?

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>>19713469
go here to discuss the rrat, you rratmongers

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>>19711793
With how little she streams she would fit in Holo perfectly.

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>>19713119
EileMonty

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>>19711984
>>19713253
Don't want to sound like I'm pulling a "moving the goal post" fallacy, but any decent vtuber contract should have non-competes since vtubers are privy to a lot of corporate insider info (pay rates, event plans in the work for months, recruitment methodology, among others). But just because there's a non-compete, it doesn't mean they would be enforced.

When a small company is negotiating with titans like Anycolor or Cover, I imagine they could offer fat stacks of cash that is too much for a small company to refuse. Especially if the alternative to a pile of money is having a begrudging or bitter talent who would try and leave anyway.

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>>19713905
It’s either an April fools joke, or being promoted to management gave her the insight that cyberlive is holding her back

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>>19713421
Ah, bit of a pity then, would have been cute otherwise.
Well kinda, what with the kinda scummy circumstances, would also have explained why Lumi didn't want gislings from what I heard time ago.

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>>19713838
Considering that Nina is a wagie and still gets her numbers and mogs the rest at singing and reps, she's far from weakest in that kino lineup.

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>>19713949
She probably stream reliably if she got in.

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>>19710379
Holo and niji and who?

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>>19713838
Why is nina and peari the weakest?

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>>19714099
Seems like she is more interested in playing games in her discord in a more relaxed way than in streaming right now though. I don't know what's going in her private life if there's any explanation for that though

[Anonymous No.]

The vtubing community is in a dysfunction.

Hololive has 90% of the market for English females. If you're a female vtuber, you are either part of Hololive, Vshojo, or you're not even on the map. People are so overly obsessed with these corporations they absolutely refuse to check out anyone else, it means these people are stuck in a stagnant market.

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>>19714023
well, let's see how fast she comes back

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>>19714089
When people are looking for comedians and creativdads, a chill streamer that tries and does her reps is going to be shit on anon.

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>>19710379
>mismanaged companies
How would you know if they're mismanaged?

>Industries are always supported by the top 3 and the rest are picking at the leftovers.
That's usually because of economies of scale. But there is no economies of scale in this industry. It's because of the religious behavior of the majority of fans who will absolutely, steadfastly refuse to watch anything else. The only "economies of scale" is numberfagging, where people are such sheep they want to watch what everyone else is watching

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I'd laugh if Lumi joins Hololive considering she always shits on them on her private fan discord

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>>19714023
Yuri specifically mentioned it meant she was leaving the company. Also
>Posting April Fools joke on March 6th
>Posting April Fools joke that could damage the company's reputation by making it look like things are bad enough multiple talents are leaving simultaneously

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>>19714301
I find her funny. She has pretty good improv. Creatividad.. she used to be much more when she started but I guess something changed.

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>>19714304
>But there is no economies of scale in this industry
There are. It's called branding. Some of the ENtubers launched with 100000 subs or damn near it, which already put them in the top 0.01% of streamers BEFORE they ever streamed once.

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>>19713838
>The weakest ones in that lineup are Nina and peari
That's a strong group if Nina and Peari are to be considered the weakest

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>>19714391
Wouldn’t be the first time. Tsunderias manager baited for 2weeks with bad new and graduation incoming just for it to be a merch drop.
It’s only suspect because they graduate on the 31st in the evening

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>>19714518
That’s why the
>they could do a lot worse

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>>19714478
>It's called branding.
An easy way to say, "using the religious programming embedded in people's brains to make them choose something that isn't in their interest".

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>>19714548
That's because of billing cycles and payments. It's less work for everyone involved if the contract ends at the end of a month so they don't have to fuss with editing billing cycles for a one-time, especially if it's a highly automated system.

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Because of the religious behavior of hololive fans, who refuse to watch anything that doesn't have Yagoo's dick-print on it, the vtuber market is completely stagnant for everyone else. It means that we are losing a lot of great vtubers, who are not seeing very much growth. The vtubing community as a whole is starting to wilt and die.

It's because of the insane, borderline psychotic behavior of vtuber fans, who absolutely reject anything that isn't part of this one corporation.

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>>19714364
>she always shits on them on her private fan discord
proof

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>>19714608
You got it, bucko.

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>>19714608
Nobody has time in their life to investigate all options for every consumer choice they make.

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>>19710831
It literally happens with Hololive. Azki does that shit all the time.
Kson did it when she was Coco for a while.
Mel just PNGs it up because why get another costly avatar?
Irys got a new L2D and "graduated" shortly after it when she joined Hololive.
In fact, I believe Chloe did the same, not sure, never watched Maaru.

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>>19710110
>into the ether
She isn't actually going to stop streaming.
>>19712146
>>19711978
>>19710649
Holo absolutely is going to pass Nina over in favour of, I don't know. Finnish Lumi or something.
>>19710579
>IS THE HOLOEN 3 DREAM TEAM REALLY CONFIRMED?!
No Lumi isn't going to retire her character.

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>>19710831
>since I can't think of any corpo that lets their streamers stream under another vtuber identity regardless
Anon technically besides Sora, all of gen 0 had their own vtuber models prior to joining Hololive.

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>>19714796
Is that a serious presentation?

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>>19714901
But isn't that the purpose of this board? For people to learn about new vtubers? Instead, I see a complete flood of hololive threads, and whenever someone posts a non-hololive thread they get dogpiled. In fact there is a cultlike atmosphere which has developed, that you aren't supposed to watch anything with low views. Which is the complete inverse of the standard 4chan mentality.

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>>19715106
Yes. It was a live presentation by marketing firm PureSpectrum at a marketing convention.

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>>19715146
This board was created as a result of /hlgg/ and /hlg/ overtaking /jp/.

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>>19715146
>Which is the complete inverse of the standard 4chan mentality.
This board has a massive Reddit population so...
>>19715106
Of course it is.

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>>19715146
>Which is the complete inverse of the standard 4chan mentality.
Most holofags are either directly from places like reddit and twitter or indirectly by way of /v/, /pol/, and other large boards that have tourist infestations. The idea of "4chan mentality" does not apply to them.

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>>19714901
>nobody has time in their life to investigate anything except the 6 or 7 watchable English vtubers at hololive.
>but they do have time to watch hundreds of hours of vtuber streams
yeah bro, nobody has time in their life to investigate the millions of music artists. And yet, people do, and they spend lots of time setting up playlist and going down rabbit holes to find new obscure music.

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>>19715146
... please stream again... I miss her.

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>>19715306
That's another vtuber hololive killed

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>>19715146
It's something that has always surprised me since the early days of /hlgg/. 4chan has had its roots in contrarianism for well over a decade, and yet the shark has always been the 2nd most popular of everyone in that global. You'd expect 4chan to be falling on the sword of the hipster big corpos (vsj/niji) or boosting up the small ones, but nah, it's big names all the time here.

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>>19714364
we already know she's a clout chasing whore

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>>19715375
>vsj/niji
Whores will never be popular here

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>>19710209
Its certainly not dying. Hololive and Nijisanji are doing better than ever. Its just that the boom period is over so the casuals aren't as engaged. Expect a lot of the small agencies that popped up during the boom period to start closing up shop over the next year or two.

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>>19714956
>pass Nina over in favour of, I don't know. Finnish Lumi
Interesting, not a bad trade. but isn't she more of a VShojo girl? She hangs out with them a lot, no?

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With these 2, I've seen 6 people graduate / quit / get fired recently that I watched.
It's likely to hit 7 in the next hour.
I'm going to miss Hano.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j10PWRawYM

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>>19714956
>No Lumi isn't going to retire her character.
she wouldn't have to

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>>19715566
Hololive has 90% of the English market for female vtubers.
Nijisanji has 90% of the English market for male vtubers.

But what about Cyberlive? What about Prism? What about Phase Connect? What about all the indies? They're seeing practically no growth at all. Many of the good ones are quitting now. Lumi was a huge favorite.

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>>19715472
/here/ is the smallest group of viewers. They’re both doing well enough

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>>19715587
You pretty much have to be in their orbit if you're a twitch vtuber don't you?
There really aren't many big vtubers on that site outside of vshojo and co.

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>>19714145
Theoretically Vshoujo if they ever go through with their idea to debut more members.

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>>19715375
On the other hand 4chan also goes against standard cultural norms and a lot of the "hipster" corpos and even Nijisanji itself are heavily progressive in their beliefs. Hololive comes off as very "trad" and doesn't get involved with any of the woke shit that infects twitter. That is a big reason why its so popular here and also why a lot of the seetheing 2views seem to have a lot of disdain for Hololive while embracing Nijisanji.

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>>19715146
Sounds like you have some bizarre persecution complex. There is far more discussion here about small corp and indie stuff than anywhere else on the internet, and very little of it gets dogpiled by holofags.

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>>19715653
And tsun is seeing only seeing growth because mio works her ass off with covers and shorts

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>>19715653
They're all seeing growth, but on a scale that is imperceptible if you're too used to Holo's massive numbers. For example, Nene Amano's new outfit hit 1k viewers, when she normally hovers around 100.

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>>19715787
Not really. CL for example don't orbit them and are doing fine.
>>19715645
Anon porting over hasn't been done in, what. 3 years at this point?
>>19715587
Oh I don't dislike her but her content's fairly standard. Nina & Lumi do things few others do.

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>>19715801
They are. They tweeted the auditions are wrapped up and they’re finalizing new additions like last week

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>>19715937
Nene's ASMR keeps getting recommended to people who listen to vtuber ASMR recently.

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>>19715270
>>19715242
Sounds like evil cult shit, except it's out in the open and everyone is clapping

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>>19714304
>But there is no economies of scale in this industry. It's because of the religious behavior of the majority of fans who will absolutely, steadfastly refuse to watch anything else. The only "economies of scale" is numberfagging, where people are such sheep they want to watch what everyone else is watching
It doesn't stop existing just because you hate it. Face the facts, branding and marketing are one of the most important things in media consumption

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>>19715375
/vt/ isn't random people from 4chan who happen to like vtubers, it's people who specifically come to this board because they can't discuss vtubers with any degree of criticism anywhere else. That's why people hate frogs, wojaks, "traips" and other "board culture" stuff.

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>>19715653
>>19715864
That is legitimately untrue. The only small EN corpo that's really stagnating (but still gets talked about) is Prism. The rest are all growing if slowly.
TL;DR: Numberrot.

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>>19716037
You are 100 years late to this shit
>Citing works of writers such as Gustave Le Bon, Wilfred Trotter, Walter Lippmann, and Sigmund Freud (his own double uncle), he described the masses as irrational and subject to herd instinct—and outlined how skilled practitioners could use crowd psychology and psychoanalysis to control them in desirable ways.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

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>>19716037
It’s basically how marvel saved itself and why otk/lsf dominates twitch culture

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>>19715375
>4chan has had its roots in contrarianism for well over a decade
that hasn't been true since god knows how many years
/a/ talks about the most popular anime, /mu/ talks about the most popular music, /tv/ talks about the most popular movies
It's all the same

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>>19715653
Lumi is not quitting and even those smaller agencies and indies are still growing. You are part of the problem if you start spouting doom and gloom just because everyone isn't getting thousands of viewers

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>>19716425
You're right about the other two, but /a/ has suffered from exceptionally shit mods. In the last several years, they've propped up shounenshit while removing or heavily limiting /a/ staples.
I will never forgive them for sakurafish.

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>>19711984
idk about rosemi and petra, but i believe bae and kronii were in no name small corpos that seemed to have little to no experience in any of this and picked up the gig of corpo "cause i love anime wowie zowie". hell kroniis went under just before she announced the graduation for that one.

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>>19715375
HAHAHAHA
You ever heard the phrase "NYPA"? Or "Not your personal army?". Yeah, that's been a meme for most of its life because it's so easy to trick the fucking retards on this site in to becoming your personal army in to doing whatever it is you want, directly or indirectly.
Companies have been caught out trying to do this before in shilling games or services, for example.

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>>19716709
Fortunately smart guys such as you are well above that sheep behaviour.

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>>19711045
April 1st is the start of the new fiscal year in japan. It's more likely they just agreed to stay on until the end of the fiscal year.

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>>19716805
I'm the one that did it. Regularly. So yes.
It's yet another "accidental name left on an image".avi.mp4.exe thread.

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>>19715969
>Nina & Lumi do things few others do.
It's up to EN recruiters to prove it. The bar has been set, EN management has to find stronger talent than them.

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>>19716037
>Sounds like evil cult shit, except it's out in the open and everyone is clapping
It is. That's why it works.
Here's the thing. Just because religion died doesn't mean the instinct to believe has been bred out of people (on the contrary, as there's both rising evidence of a genetic basis for religiosity and an inverse correlation between religiosity and breeding success, meaning natural atheists are actively selected against) so corporations are hijacking that circuitry for personal gain.

Disney & Apple may not tell you to wash your hands in a certain way but just like a church they make money by selling you faith and just like a church they use government power to ensure compliance at threat of (if you resist) death.

Just look at how people on this board act.
"Hates Hololive" is used in an almost religious sense.
Man wishes to believe, and this board is very much proof of that.
Well that and there's a lot of unironic trad larpers here.
>>19716637
Nah Kronii's background was in Voice Acting. Her career was dead as fuck but even a dead as fuck career in a real profession counts for 5 careers in vtubing.

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>>19716905
EN management is vtweeters and numberfags that think in-house artists should stream and consistently pass wrong information to their talents. They're gonna fuck this up.

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>>19716425
/a/ is as contrarian as ever

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>>19716873
cyberlive continues to not be a japanese company

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https://twitter.com/cyberlivecorp/status/1500608187732402176
Only an april fools joke :)

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>>19716069
try posting that "board culture" on /jp/

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>>19717139
anon...

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>>19709528
What the fuck those two are the best ones

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>>19717226
of all fonts available, they choose the one that look like comic sans

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>>19717226
Misaki a shit

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>>19717294
those were daily threads where people are shitting on those series btw.

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You got a nice oshi I think I will take it

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>>19718415
YAGOO! PLEASE! SAVE THEM!

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>>19718415
YAGOO YAMEROOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>19718415
I really don't think you want someone that makes Hitler & dropping phosphorous on civilians jokes and calls people gay, Yagooman.

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>>19715864
You mean coomerbait right?
And even then most of her growth seems to only affect her, the others don't seem to get much trickle down from it, unsurprisingly.

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>>19718415
one more left to save

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>>19719507
Miowife,,,,,

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>>19719507
Isn’t she the one that’s parents stole her vtubing money?

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>>19719507
If Mio continues inclining at her current rate, she'll surpass Sana by the end of this year.
She saved herself.

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>>19719630
That's any vtuber with Asian parents. Happened to two other Tsun talents, Yuuna and Purin, too.

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>>19719748
Breadwife.....

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>>19719507
Nah, her coomer shorts and "not GFE" has been carrying her well so far and her music is picking up the slack after she reached 100k, she's pretty much carrying the comapny on her back right now, she's fine.

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>>19719921
It would be nice if she did more full covers of some of the stuff she's been doing in the shorts.
She does the yandere vibe well in them but some of those songs, especially when she goes to a lower pitch is just my kind of jam.

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>>19717294
Containment threads has been on /a/ even before 2010. /a/ has changed only very little.

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>>19710579
>>19711348
>>19711467
HoloEN 3 is going to be a male generation

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I hope Pandora graduates soon too. So she can join Hololive and get the recognition she deserves.

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>>19720432
Is Pandora from EU/UK? How good is her Japanese?

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>>19720575
>How good is her Japanese
Good enough to work as a medical professional in a japanese hospital.

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>>19720575
She's British, she's fluent in written/heard japanese, she translated Phase-Connect's website to JP.

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>>19720674
Already sounds like a strong candidate assuming if she were to apply

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>>19715864
Lisa and Ami are consistent 3views now, even with Susan's viewer count fuckery. Tomo and Kazu are seeing some networking gains recently as well. The climb is slow and mostly from the newest generation, but it's real

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>>19720575
bong living in nippleland

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Im going to stop making rrat posts because mine actually come true.

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>>19722203
can you rratpost my 2view indie into Hololive?
but I won't say her name because she's mine

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Remember when the yunity rrats came out and people disregarded them as just rrats? 3/5 of gen 1 leaving sounds like how all yunity ex-talents left. I guess it was true after all...

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But why.

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>>19711821
That sounds very much like coercion. Everyone can make a model these days and sure as fuck almost any rigger can do a better job than Holo's shovelface king.
If keeping the model hostage is the only thing they can do as a corpo, the Rushia-Coco path is the way to go.

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>>19719748
Seems to be happening to some of the Nijis too.
Very "I raised you you owe me".

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>>19709528
i never watched either but lumi seems like a nice person

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>>19725800
She's a genuinely an excellent entertaining streamer, nice person but bratty and talented at singing, there's a reason why this is such a huge blow to CyberLive and why people speculate her for holo or niji.

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Since Lumi keeps her model will she just be indie or find a small corpo that will let her use her model like Miori?

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>>19713119

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>>19726329
Indie...for now

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>>19713838
>Jelly
>ever going corpo again
Slugma and Misaki probably did naked dogeza in front of her house for days trying to get her in and fishman probably hired a shaman to appear in her dreams but she ain't going down that road again ever.
Or at least not until she's told the MyHolo story which all of the involved have repeatedly backpedaled on.

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>>19726987
>the MyHolo story
They impose shitty restrictions on their chuubas for the sake of staying in character, even at the expense of their health and safety. What's left to tell?

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>>19726987
>MyHolo story
I wonder what the hell happened, other than all three of them quitting and moving on to better things. (Marcia in particular)

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>>19725800
>nice person
She reads as a pick me girl to me

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>>19726450
Whoever thought black, white, pink and green looked good together should stop designing vtubers.

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>>19728356
Please don't insult the Panda. She's very cute.

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>>19728356
That's a perfectly fine palette, what are you on about

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>>19728356
The colours are fine. The way they're distributed is a mess and makes me wonder whether she designed the thing herself.

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>Anons keeps telling me to take the small corpo pill
>The ones I like either don't stream or graduate
How was this supposed to be different from just watching Hololive and Nijisanji?

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>>19727448
She's a very needy motherfucker tbdesu

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>>19728896
Because she's still streaming? Do you only watch vtubers in companies? Idk about you but I'm still gonna be watching Yuri and Lumi long term

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>>19728896
The only one that hasn't fallen apart or had graduations is Phase Connect surprisingly.

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>>19716069
/vt/ is from /jp/ and there as well as /a/ and the general Japanese culture arm of this site don't like any of that shit either. Outsiders think 4chan is nothing but /b/ and /pol/ but no, there are different populations here who are nothing like those places at all.

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>>19709528
LUMI NO
Fuck fuck fuck...

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>>19729498
She is still going to stream retardchama

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>>19729538
Really? Thank god. Don't ever leave me Lumi...

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>>19716002
Yeah, those auditions are very real and open. Trust us.

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>>19715653
>But what about Cyberlive? What about Prism? What about Phase Connect? What about all the indies? They're seeing practically no growth at all.
Idk about the rest of CL gen2, but one of them went from <1k subs on her PL to having over 50k on her current one & began hanging around a bit with Ollie and Mysta, and one of the other ones went from 50-60 CCV -> 100+ and found a decent # of active paypiggies.

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>>19729538
Does she own the model or something? Is she just going to leave the company?

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>>19729935
Yeah, the company is retarded & seems to let them leave with their model after 6 months.

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Why did none of you listen to us when we warned you about Yunity.

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>>19729146
Even more surprising when you take the JP "branch" into consideration. We lacked faith.

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>>19721022
Kazu is seeing considerably more growth on Twitch than on Youtube too, especially thanks ot raids, wonder how the others would do in there.

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>>19729146
You've definitely jinxed it now

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>>19715864
The whole of Tsunderia's third generation got a decent growth spurt recently because of this cover
https://youtu.be/-dWcA8c-xpA

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>>19730375
Wasn't it mostly Tomo and Ami? Don't think I saw much about Kazu and Lisa.

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>>19728921
Somehow I'm not surprising she is, seem to remember anons talking about her being GFE or a gosling magnet or something, so yeah, no surprise there.

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>>19730466
Lisa at least got 1k+ subs out of it

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>>19709528
is this some elaborately-designed shitpost

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>>19718415
Please...

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>>19715146
there is no 4chan mentality

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>>19715375
>4chan has had its roots in contrarianism
this is your mind on /v/

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And just like that...Menace is gone. I'm gonna miss her bros...

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>>19730375
mio basically did all the audio work so she did work for it

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>>19715146
>whenever someone posts a non-hololive thread they get dogpiled
/wg/ has a 24/7 schizo who has destroyed the thread in his crusade to get low-views exposure. /wbg/ has multiple slots dedicated to 1views in the whole roleplay. There's 24/7 threads active for NijiEN and NijiJP, and nobody is spamming or attacking generals for the smaller agencies when they pop up. There's multiple splits dedicated to single low-view indies that segments of this board like. Hell, there's even a JP indie thread. Jesus we even have a 24/7 VShojo thread. We've completely lost the comfy, tight-knit atmosphere of the early Myth days and now this is the 2nd fastest board on the site after /pol/.

If you feel hostility it's not because low-view/non-Holo chuubas aren't welcome. On the contrary, they were welcomed too much, to the point where any cohesive board culture was destroyed. We've piled up multiple thousands of people with very little in common all into a single board - enough to completely overrun competent moderation, never mind our jannies with their salary of $0.

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>>19711096
Is CL actually doing bad?

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>>19736005
I miss the old days, people were making funny stories and shot, and we could just laugh, now it's all hate and drama...I watched a couple YouTube videos showing threads from the old days and you can tell there's a difference in the whole atmosphere

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>>19715787
Define "big".
Sure VS has all the 10K's and most of the 5K's in it's orbit but there's plenty in the 1K range who don't have much to do with them.

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>>19720405
the usual auditions for HoloEN have been open since December, the male specific ones just fired up.

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>>19709528
>Graduating
FAAAAKKKKKKKK

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>>19715787
It's more that people of similar sizes tend to gravitate towards one another. They're not "VShojo and Co." they're just all big. The Vshojo and Co. wasn't even Vshojo prior to the org, they were just "Zen, Silver, and Iron Mouse" then Mel came along and joined. There was no "organized group" and co, they were just all the bigger creators. That's typically hwo content creation spheres in general work. Look back at all the old Newgrounds animations, Youtubers, even current and old Twitch streamers.

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>>19736232
Things looked like they were going well, but Lumi and Yuri leaving is a huge debuff.

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>>19710530
I have to assume most small corpos understand that they're never going to be as big as Hololive and Nijisanji but are satisfied enough with the short term money to let talents have control over their identities.

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>>19736005
Good post. Sorry that happened to you but I'm not leaving.

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>>19736005
>We've completely lost the comfy, tight-knit atmosphere of the early Myth days
Then go complain to the meidos and beg for a /hlolo/ board. The vtuber world was always bigger than HoloEN, besides.
Think of /vt/ as more of a /vg/ for vtubers.

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>>19743407
This entire board was created by popular demand due to holoEN’s massive success. Unless the literal final yab happens at hololive things aren’t gonna change anytime soon.

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>>19743763
"Popular demand" in this case meaning /jp/ got pissed at the constant EOP posting and forced the EN crowed into this containment board.

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>>19742761
Truth. That's why mouse is now familiar with the whole OTV&friends crowd. She just grew to the size where they are likely to notice her.

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>>19720234
Her main reason for not doing full covers as much is that she said it doesn't bring in the views that short covers bring

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>>19749641
Wonder how long she will be able to hold the numberfagging attitude, like yeah, she has a reason to go that way, but chasing numbers and putting so much focus into it, especially on a platform as inconsistent as Youtube's, can lead to some serious burn out.

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>>19715146
I dunno man, whenever I make threads about literal 2view indies that don't even know English I manage to gather at least dozen replies

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>>19709528
Yo stupid fucking Nigger.
I know you are here Lumi, no fucking rrats
What the fuck are you doing? What is the fucking reason to just kill a company you were doing well in and actually giving you a lot of shit and money? Literally NO FUCKING GOOD REASON unless you are getting in Hololive EN3 CONFIRMED because even in NIJISANJI YOU WOULD DO FINANCIALLY WORSE THAN CYBERLIVE
SO WHAT THE HELL JESUS CHRIST OF A FUCKING NIGGER

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i am concerning for their gen2, all of the Cyber gen2 are all pretty good but two pillars of the company are going now leaving also the poor panda suffering

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>>19709528
damn what a shame Lumi was the only good vtuber they had in that shit company

[Anonymous No.]

Gen2 feels like Cyberlives real gen. Their first gen felt extremely amateur

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>>19755477
Will they survive long enough to see fruition, though?

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>>19755477
too bad one of the best diamond in the rough found recently by any small agency had some shitty surgery stunting the growth and now this too.

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>>19714364
Ultimate proof she was the Whore of Cyberlife all along

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>>19755494
Cyberlive third generation would have to come soon and be a major improvement from the previous gens

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>>19714364
As Shondo said
>Bitches say they don't go after the money or the clout, but you can be damn sure if a call happen and the conditions are favorable bitches will follow the scent of money, always, me included.

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>>19710209
its just the top of the bubble, wont die but we will get vtuber winter

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>>19714956
>holo
>eu
roflmao

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>>19755761
>Bitches say they don't go after the money or the clout, but you can be damn sure if a call happen and the conditions are favorable bitches will follow the scent of money, always
Yes, yes very easy to call out o-
>me included.
Huh.

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>>19756619
Shondo is a medicated schizo with some based takes time to time

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>>19756680
>medicated
gay

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>>19756619
She was actually contacted for a Raid Shadow Legends sponsorship and instead of decline she asked them to rise the price, they declined

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>>19756233
Kiara WILL force the issue.

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>>19709528
Lumi (Cyberlive), Aoi (Prism Project), and Miori (Tsunderia) should be in Hololive. They're all better than Council.

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>>19757138
Aoi is going to graduate soon. Prism project isnt doing her any favors

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>>19730002
Honestly, what's so retarded about that? It's not like these companies re-use the graduated characters for anything else, it seems pretty fair from their part

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>>19757542
It doesn't incentivize them to stay.

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>>19757138
Mioria almost definitely applied but got passed over. Their hiring process is hot garbage. Lumi is a a former underageb& that is just a bit too edgy to fully shake it.
>>19757456
>Prism project isnt doing her any favors
Reminder that Shiki revealed that it can take over a month to get paid and the only real support they get are interest free loans for equipment and covers and such.

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I thought people told me Cyberlive was doing better than before? That they weren’t the black company they were in the beginning? Then again they are dumb to let them keep the models so I guess it’s on them.

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>>19757741
> Reminder that Shiki revealed that it can take over a month to get paid
Are you really using something she said from her debut time to make a point about now?

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>>19755477
> extremely amateur
So Emma?

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>>19755195
She got into VShoujo.

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>>19715653
Wait you’re saying you thought these starts ups were going to make a splash on the Vtuber community and gain a large audience? Really? Starts ups who barely existed for one year?