/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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Tracing is bad

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>loafy is the schizo spamming 4chan with this
sasuga sea

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>>19472437
Kek she’s a boot licker who won’t go after her coworker

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>>19472437
Deviantart tier artists get crazy butthurt about tracing, pros don't really care.

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>>19472437
Nene can apologize by eating out her brown pussy.

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>>19472437
> 17 August 2021

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>>19473107
so?

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>>19472437
The thing is that it is basically impossible to draw an anime character in any pose that hasn't already been drawn before.
Realistically even if you were to draw completely from your imagination your drawing could still be seen as a trace job.

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>>19472437
Imagine considering Iofi's garbage drawings as artwork.

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>>19473186
No. Tracing is super obvious

[Anonymous No.]

what a masterpiece from lofi

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>>19473186
>pixel-by-pixel similarities is the same as just having the same pose and therefore excusable
Cope

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>>19472437
Who

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>>19472437
the opinion of this literal who doesnt matter

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>>19473186
lol, LOL

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>>19473489
It's a little corporation called Hololive.

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>>19472744
this

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[Anonymous No.]

Tracing bad because... umm... it just is

[Anonymous No.]

>is friends with the artist she traced from
I Wouldn't be surprised if they knew and didn't mind. It's happened to me. I think everyone else is looking into this a bit much.

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>>19472582
to be fair when you're a nobody being copied means somebody's stealing your merit and maybe even your profit, if you're already an enstablihed artist, instead, the geenral damage is lower and there's not much risk of you're work being overshadowed by the copy

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>>19473578
Murder bad because... umm... it just is

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>>19472437
Based lofey

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>>19473678
nice falseflag

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>>19472437
The artist is friend with Nene so she probably give her the pose book to trace from (500 girl poses" in a sense both of them trace from it and it is totally normal but retard manager force Nene to apology to satisfy /beg/ fags and avoid drama

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>>19472437
Hypocritical whore.

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I can't be the only one who doesn't give a shit because artists are scum.

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>>19473605
She actually is and it was absolutely not a big deal to her. The drama rats don't actually care about the artist herself though. They just want to burn Hololive down.

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>>19473932
You think Namori uses a pose book? Really?

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>>19472437
M’kay tracing is bayud.

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Drawing with slightly disfigured anatomy is the right way, you won't get accused of tracing.
Now you realize who's the smart one.

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>>19473972
Artists are your whole life you ungrateful faggot

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>>19473397
what happened to her chest?

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>>19473972
Artists give us good doujin and vtubers you faggot

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>>19473561
Low-key threatening. I hope she does give Nene a good talking to

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>>19473996
Yes, or free reference in the internet. Picrel is the pose they accuse Nene trace off, which took a few minute to search in Pixiv
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/95866927

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>>19475320
it's a hand, and it blends in because there's NO shading.

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>>19472437
what a retard
now i just want to trace someones art with her hashtag to piss her off

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>>19473186
This is not true at all. You have the mentality of a 5 year old

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>>19473397
>that head
Someone tell this lass about Drawabox. Loomis is too advanced for her.

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>>19473186
retard

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>>19472437
Tracing is good for newbie artist, you just retard

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>>19475709
How is that even the same pose

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>>19473397
am i supposed to think this looks bad? it's not the best thing ever but you're acting like it's utter garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

only shit artists moralfag about tracing; all the good artists stole their share of stuff in their day

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>>19477709
Its not bottom of the barrel but you'd expect someone who gets on anti-tracing high horse to at least be a good artist.

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>>19473991
Miko baby

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>>19477920
She can draw photo-realistic art. It's just that she won't cause she prefers that kind of art style.

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>>19473972
Oh, definitely. They profit from the IP of others and they don't even thank them for it.

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>>19477920
You'd expect the opposite, a good artist wont care if someone is "cheating" to get some nice art, a struggling one is going to seethe at the ones taking the "easy rout" etc.

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>>19472437
I don't get why Nene didn't just trace 3d models from the clipstudio asset store?
She uses clipstudio, right?
There's like a million high quality poses in the asset store with multiple body types to choose from.
If you're gonna trace then atleast do it with something that won't get you into potential legal troubles.

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>>19472437
Stop spamming this shit iofi

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>>19473578
I mean, for small artists is bad because threatens to cut their popularity projection, after all everything is about money/clout for them.

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>>19478030
This. So many so called "artists" get assblasted when you use references or use 3d models as a base while industry professionals literally trace someone else's work with no fucks given.
Why get mad at someone for using tools to work more efficiently?
What's next?
Using layers and coloring digitally is now cheating too since you can't do that on paper in real life?

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>>19472437
subhuman nigger has subhuman opinions

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>>19478065

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>>19478060
Her favorite artist and... someone she knew

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>>19478539
>Said by Pinoy
You two just disappear and SEA would be less toxic

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>>19472437
Nene is added to Iofi’s shit list with Gura kek

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>>19473397
Is that Anya's mask?

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>>19472582
>pros don't really care.
meanwhile rushia's illustrator was specifically seething about it on twitter, kek.

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One of the first things I learned when I started practicing art was just how much good artists use others work for reference, including some tracing.

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>>19481692
What did shark do

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>>19472437
Tracing isn't bad. Tracing and presenting the work as your own is. Tracing and selling the work as your own is even worse.

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>>19483113
just ignore him, that poor faggot still trapped in 2020

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>>19475679
I hope Nene tells her to fuck off

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>>19482820
He was seething cause he couldnt profit from rushia no more

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>>19483219
He's making an art book of Rushia for Comiket. I think he can still profit from her.

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>>19483182
It’s literally confirmed retard.Gura is the only EN member Iofi doesn’t follow on Twitter. Hell, it even created the rrat that Gura was soft banned from collabs outside of EN

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>>19483113
>Amongus collab
>Goorah always get killed
>Chumpedo seething because Iomi didn't act as translator
>Chumpedo raiding her tweet , Facebook , Reddit etc to call Iomi useless because goorah lose in amongus
>Chumpedo : "we are a good fanboy , meanwhile they are trapped in 2020"

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Can someone translate this post into English?
>>19483757

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>>19483169
That's why you have to sell it under a nickname or a company's name

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>>19483592
>Gura is the only EN member Iofi doesn’t follow on Twitter.
what a strange thing to lie about
>Hell, it even created the rrat that Gura was soft banned from collabs outside of EN
lmao who the fuck would believe that

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>>19483791
>I'm a drama addicted SEA faggot with a severe case of schizophrenia

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>>19483757
>chumpedo
Moonafics still denying the truth that their brethen started it huh

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>>19472744
Brown? She’s brown irl?

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>>19485992
anon?

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Imagine tracing other people's work for profit or for clout. Nigger-tier behaviour right there. Trace for studies and keep it to yourself. Use multiple references to create a new one, shit ain't hard, bro.

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>>19483910
Thank you.

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>>19477650
It was a different one, nene didn’t just trace one image.
https://imgur.com/n14fA2f.jpg
https://imgur.com/sijGcCr.jpg
https://imgur.com/BKsRF9J.jpg
https://imgur.com/pwx2NMD.jpg
https://imgur.com/dKObrJC.jpg
https://imgur.com/GFz1uDJ.jpg
https://imgur.com/agG2Mto.jpg
https://imgur.com/Y49tPyf.gif
https://imgur.com/PNnb45L.jpg
https://imgur.com/tjtwGpK.jpg

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>>19483195
That would be disrespectful to her senpai.

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>>19478135
And that is why they are artists and not anything else. Biggest retards when it comes to conducting business

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>>19472437
At least Ina isn't a bitch like her.

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>>19486342
There is nothing wrong with tracing and you are probably just a dumb chink if you think otherwise.

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>>19489111
Lying is based.

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>>19489112
>Ina
>Isn't a bitch

He didn't know

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>>19472582
A mangaka working on a very popular series about cuckolding and incest or whatever male yuri authors get up to got caught tracing and the whole manga was unceremoniously cancelled; the seething was pretty good for a few days.

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>>19489223
Never happened.

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>>19489367
the manga was "Prism" by Higashiyama Shou and I was only pretending to not remember what it was called so you wouldn't think I'm a nerd

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>>19489112
I find hard to believe someone who insults their fanbase isn't a bitch.

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At least tracing looks better than the garbage Iofi draws

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>>19489468
Didn't happen but they deserved it.

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>>19489436
Fucking Prism got canned when it was getting good. Stretch was whatever

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>>19489123
Copying other peoples work and claiming it as your own is chink behaviour

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>>19489585
bro I am literally still mad about stretch

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>>19473972
I agree, Nene and Marine are scum.

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>>19478060
>woman
>acts like a retard
Shocking

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>>19489223
Implicity is better.

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>>19489436
Shou didn’t trace and even if he did there is nothing wrong with tracing.

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>>19473452
>One pixel amirite
Arrest

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>>19489223
There's also the Chihayafuru author who was put in the freezer and had all of her works removed from shelves for two whole years by Kodansha because she was found to have traced some panels in her manga.

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>>19477618
>>19475861
Tracing is still bad, newfag.

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>>19489918
Prove it.

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>>19489112
both bitches

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>>19477709
the proportions are all fucked up and the face/artstyle is just ugly

[Anonymous No.]

Why hasn't Araki been cancelled yet?

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>>19489918
It's not tracing if the drawings don't superimpose. Try again.

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>>19488986
lmao, that's so blatant.

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>>19488986
>if you move the lines a couple centimeters to the left and right, its tracing
Stop being disingenuous.

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>>19478060
Her artworks were homages for her favorite artist. It's not even tracing since they don't match at all.

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>people still arguing over whether it's tracing or not
Cover and Nene admitted it's tracing already. There's nothing to discuss.

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>>19490780
>>19477920
It looks good to me though. That's her own unique art style. I bet she can do a photo-realistic drawing is she really wanted to.

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>>19473932
Totally makes sense. Her artist friend wasn't even surprised about it. Me thinks Nene already asked permission from her beforehand.

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>>19477779
Right but what Nene did isn't even stealing. Hell, it's not even piracy, which is a crime, like what that Niji talent did a few days ago.

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>>19473397
KEK

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>>19490560
Ina is more talented that any of the Nijis.

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>>19489870
She must've offended somebody. She should have asked for permission first like what Nene did before she put it up for publication.

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>>19489650
Nijisanji copies Hololive all the time. Most of their EN talents are chinks but nobody cares. Stop being racist you nijinigger.

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>>19473397
the hand...

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>>19491097
Because nijiniggers forced them to lie

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>>19491317
>like what Nene did
You can spam this as much as you want, it's still just a rrat until somebody posts any proof. Also, Nene blatantly lied about it saying just drew "while thinking of" the drawings she liked. If she got that close to the original just by thinking of them, then she's a freaking genius and could easily prove her innocence by drawing live with no reference. Of course, she contradicted her own lie in her own tweet when she said Cover's statement which plainly says "tracing" is true.

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>>19490836
Because this was a parody/references

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>>19473991
Miko baby

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>>19490879
Unfortunately Nenechi’s did.

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>>19490985
Some of them might just be referencing but others large portions line up 100% when overlayed.

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>>19491970
How does this work anyways? None of the gifs or shit I've seen really matches 1 to 1, what's the margin for this kind of thing?

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>>19491452
Your speculations no matter how seemingly plausible they may be doesn't strengthen any of allegations.
Them apologizing for the disturbance their antis may have caused don't mean they really did anything unethical.
People are innocent until proven otherwise.

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>>19491430
So you’re calling Nene a liar?

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>>19491232
It is plagiarism.

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>>19492044
There is no margin. Everything is just pretty arbitrary like art in general.
Only schizos and twitter art trannies will take things this seriously.

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>>19472437
more infighting from SEAniggers. ID was a mistake.

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>>19491970
How about you show proof?

>>19492015
>but others large portions line up 100%
I don't see it. If artists draw their subjects doing the same poses, its bound to have overlaps. That's common sense. The fact that you have to qualify Nenechi's drawings that portions of it don't even align from the alleged source material already refutes your entire point.

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>>19492063
Fuck off nijichink

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Was anyone hurt by it?
If not, where's the crime

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>>19492095
You have to show proof if you want to accuse her of that otherwise that's just slander, which is a crime.

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>>19492044
If it doesn't match then obviously it wasn't traced at all.

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>>19491097
>Cover and Nene admitted it's tracing already. There's nothing to discuss.
Cover admitted to tracing, Nene didn't mention tracing at all in her tweets or video.

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>>19492272
Though she did acknowledge that Cover's statement was true...

[Anonymous No.]

This is all bullocks really.
It's most likely that Nene's artist friend gave permission so she can do a homage artwork for her.

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>>19485992
She's Indonesian, anon

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>>19492048
>Them apologizing for the disturbance their antis may have caused
lol, read cover's statement dumbfuck. It's there in plain letters. They admit to tracing and apologize to the involved parties. Also read Nene's tweets saying the contents of Cover's statement is true.

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>>19492044
So what tracers often do is trace an image they like and then modify portions of it to suit their needs. Not everything gets modified though so you end up with parts that still overlap exactly and allows it to be separated from just referencing.
https://m.imgur.com/tjtwGpK
This one is a good example. You can see that the legs line up exactly on the top when layered.

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>>19489436
I was enjoying that manga too.
I didn't even care about the yuri sex scenes, I just like seeing girls being lovey-dovey with each other.

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>>19473397
don't worry Iofi! i'll save you! my art is worse than her's you guys are just picky fucks.

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>>19473397
6/10
Slightly above average

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>>19492226
Once she's confessed to it, that's really not an argument anymore.

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>>19492473
She was forced to confess
It doesn't count

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>>19491232
It's illegal, just like writing a song that's practically a copy of somebody else's (and claiming it's your own).

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>>19492636
>She was forced to confess
That's slander against Cover corp.

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>>19492044
>>19492269
>>19492408
So here's an example of a non-Nene tracer. The tracer traced the one drawing and then made modifications to it, but left enough that you can tell they are clearly traced when overlain.

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>>19492408
>>19492044
>>19492269
>>19492408
And here is the image from https://m.imgur.com/tjtwGpK
You can see that the legs line up almost exactly with only small deviation regarding clothing changes. This is absolutely traced, not just referenced.

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>>19485992
...I would say touch grass but in this situation watch some porn, please. I hate everyone here but even I'm concerned you don't know what a vagina looks like and that they can vary in color.

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>>19492473
She confessed to using artwork she liked as reference, how she was thinking about it while drawing but it ended up looking more similar that she thought, she never said "I traced"

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>>19483592
Don't drag gura into this, Iofi literally wants to play rhythm games with her, it's a rrat creted by the one Aifag redditor, he's on a stong vendetta against Gura because muh Oyabun's #1

[Anonymous No.]

Why even care, the problem is on the drawfag, unless this retard is posting it on her streams, let the people lynch the drawkek she shoulnt care at al, lmao

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>>19492851
She didn't say "referenced" either. She said she had Namori's work in mind while drawing. However, she also said Cover's statement is true, and that statement says she traced. Also looking at >>19492787, it's blatantly obvious that it's tracing, so her trying to say she was just inspired by Namori only makes her look worse.

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>>19493004
She is the drawfag

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>>19493045
people are tracing her work? lol

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>>19472582
>pros don't really care.
You don't have the moral standing to call out others for doing what you do.

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>>19493004
It's coming up because Nenechi got caught tracing some Yuru Yuri art for something that was being sold as official Hololive merch.
Iofi hadn't said the OP tweet in response to the situation with Nene but it shows her general feelings about plagiarism via tracing.
Cover and Nenechi have already addressed the situation, with cover confirming it is traced, issuing an apology and taking the merch down from their site. Nenechi issued an apology as well. Luckily she is friends with the artist she traced, the Yuru Yuri mangaka.
>>19493073
No Nenechi was tracing art and selling it as her own original artwork.

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>>19493146
No artist has the intellectual standing to give opinions on tracing. How many of these people have studied philosophy or art history? The opinion of an artist is worth even less than the opinion of a stranger, because the artist is financially biased in their opinion. It’s like asking an oil executive’s opinion on nuclear energy. Stupid

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>>19475846
>Drawabox

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>>19493035
she's salty that she got caught

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>>19493503
Exactly. Just like how people that are alive don't have the intellectual standing to give opinions on murder. They're going to be biased in their opinion.

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>>19475679
LMAO like hell nene would listen to that 2view loser. that's like an ant trying to give a bear a talking to.

nene makes more in one merch run with traced art than iofi has made in her entire career

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>>19493045
Oh... I mean... I'm sure Nene had her reasons, art is stupid anyways, who cares if you copy someone else's work. Is not like she was going to profit out of it.

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>>19493822
>Is not like she was going to profit out of it.
about that...

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>>19493822
>Is not like she was going to profit out of it.
...anon, the traces were being sold as Nenechi drawn merch by Hololive before she was found out.

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What I dont understand is why the fuck did she trace, when any drawing software like clip studio paint has 3D models you can use for posing and liteally trace with no fucks given

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>>19493807
Not everyone is a numberfag.

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>>19493885
So?

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>>19493970
So she was going to profit out of it.

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>>19473397
Lil B approved and you're a fucking moron. She just added me as a new simp. Kys.

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>>19472437
https://youtu.be/dMwhZryRUr4

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Anyone who equates tracing over a picture with capital offenses like murder is so intellectually dishonest and delusional that they don’t warrant a serious reply or (You)

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>>19493909
nene doesn't even numberfag she's just naturally charismatic and talented. iofi could numberfag as hard as she wants and she will never get viewers she's got less personality than a dishrag

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>>19473397
She should stop trying to be an illustrator and become a mangaka. This is better than Zatch Bell

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>>19489436
Nerd

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ITT: Brain damage coomers defending shit art tracing. I would also love to hear your favorite artists and I post my favorites too! You fucking smoothbrains faggots.

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>>19493885
Huh, well... I'm sure the original artist knew and was getting a share from it.

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Tracing is fine when it comes to using it as private practice or learning, anyone who's into drawing will tell you it's ok on those contexts, but tracing something and then trying to make a profit out of it is something you simply don't do if you expect anyone to respect or care about your work. Doing that is seen as disrespectful towards the original artist and your audience.

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>>19493774
the death penalty and wars (state sponsored murder) is justifiable in certain situations. some people are too dangerous to society and civilization to be left alive

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>>19493896
Hard to say. It was mostly Yuru Yuri stuff and she likes the manga and is friends with the mangaka, even having the mangaka do some of her other birthday merch.
It is possible she was referencing it but was taking too long or wasn't satisfied with how it was going, deciding to take a shortcut by just tracing the art and modifying it from there. Sometimes people think "I could do this if I wanted to, so it is okay for me to just trace it to save time".
But that's just a rrat from reasons people have traced before. I really don't know why she did it, only that she did.

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>>19475330
Like who? What kind of doujin? What kind of art style? What the fuck do you mean?

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>>19494090
You sure are angry about your hilariously incorrect opinion just because the masses agree with it

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>>19494123
No anon, I'm talking about murder which is an illegal, "wrongful" killing with malice.
People can't really say if any killing is right or wrong though because they're alive and so they have a conflict of interest in staying that way which leads to bias in their opinion.

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>>19494188
>it’s wrong because it’s wrong

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Some of you really do know nothing about art. Tracing doesn't even look good. It's why Nene's traces look like stiff garbage. You are always better off just using something as a reference and drawing it in your own way. The Araki swipes posted here are a perfect example of the difference of using a reference vs tracing. Tracing should only be used as an educational tool, not as something you put out to the public.

For most artists this would be impossible to come back from but Nene is cute so she will have a second chance (which is fine, people do deserve them)

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>>19494224
Exactly. No one can truthfully say if any killing is wrong so murder doesn't exist.

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>>19493035
Talk your shit, anon. You know what's up.

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>>19494188
>murder
The loss of life and dissolution of the social contract, measurable loss of money and life
>tracing
capitalist is angry that someone copied his work and sold it to people, no measurable loss of money, just “dude trust me this kid on deviantart is totally cutting into my market with his badly traced art”

[Anonymous No.]

So did Namori say something

>lol I don't care
or
>friendship with Nenechi over

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>>19494012
Hang yourself

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>>19489436
That wasn't because he traced, it was because the images he traced he didn't pay for the copyright rights to use. It wasn't just prism either, a bunch of pages from Japanese Preteen Suite and the cover were traced as well. Takatsu got in trouble for the same thing, again not the tracing part but the implied piracy from tracing.

[Anonymous No.]

bruh they seriously arguing that tracing is some death note shit where if you trace an artist they drop dead and lose all their money LMAO. imma start tracing art too if that’s how it works. fear my death note bitchesss

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>>19494175
> The masses are /vt/ and literally no one else, not even 5ch.

NECK YOURSELF AND YWNBAW

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>>19494090
And I'm still waiting

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>>19494337
>The loss of life and dissolution of the social contract, measurable loss of money and life
Says the person that is alive. You can't be trusted since you have a stake in the matter. Objectively, your opinion is worse than worthless.

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>>19494432
Lying is based, morality is a spook.

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>>19494491
I will continue to trace your art and there is nothing you can do about it. Bitch about it on twitter and waste your one life whining about something you cannot change

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>>19494557
You don't even draw and YWNBAW

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>>19494614
Twitter troons are the ones who get mad and go on lolcow rants about tracing. Based third worlders red line someone’s art and repost art and get more clout and money than the original artists

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>>19473561
>us
Bitch who the fuck do you think you are?

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>>19494674
That is just google translate being shit.

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>>19494659
YWNBAW, stop gaslighting and thanks for outing that you go on Twitter so that you can try to get mad.

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>>19494111
Agreed. When it comes to pros they loathe people making money off someone else's work. Its just professional courtesy.

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>>19494111
>>19494918
The only good posts in the whole thread

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>>lol I don't care
pretty much this. Give the amount of holo work she does, possibility of designing her own holo and relationship to nene it was never going to be anything else

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who cares, professionals trace all the time, they just hide it better and call them references

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>>19494881
>resorting to name calling and other ad hominem
Oh nyo, not a good look for the anti-tracers. Did you get into art because you couldn’t cut it in more educated fields?

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>>19473186

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>>19494111
Absolutely. Even in lofi’s rant it was just tracing but tracing and taking credit.

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Is this really a thread dedicated to attacking iofi of all people?

You realize her comments were directed at some giga-schizo who has replied to e every single tweet she, moona, and risu have made for months telling them to kill themselves while posting stolen art on their tags?

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>>19473186
retard

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>>19490985
>literally overlays the images
Stop being retarded

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>>19492044
>what's the margin for this kind of thing?
The margin is, is it enough to trigger my autism? My fanbase's? 4chin's?

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>>19473186
This is true, just like the story about the immortal monkey, typing random letter for eternity could write a sheakspear book.

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>>19494251
Not everyone gives that much of a shit about doodles, anon
Get a life

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iofi is a real pro, she doesn't need to trace.

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>>19496010
Don’t do this to her. She tries.

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>>19496010

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>>19496113
>posting something literally traced as a reaction image
pottery

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>>19495990
>Not everyone gives that much of a shit about doodles, anon
Isn't that what /vt/ is about?

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>>19496010
this is very good work she has a bright future in horror manga

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>>19496010
Maybe she should start tracing, yabe

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>>19473397
This looks like it’s from one of those AI generated anime girl sites. Are you sure it’s not?

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>>19496010
This genuinely looks AI generated and I refuse to believe otherwise

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Has a single person ITT even watched a solo Iofi stream? I'm doubtful. How bored are you?

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hahaha nene is a fraud

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>>19496507
No, and I never will

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>>19496507
you would literally have to pay me

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Isnt using references kind of like tracing if you're really good at it

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>>19496726
not really since you usually use a handful of pictures as reference and look at them to see how to work with the pose you want to draw, you aren't meant to perfectly copy the reference, you're meant to use it as a guidance on how that pose works and how it looks.

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>>19496507
I’m not an Indog and she mostly sticks to that language so no. But I agree that she is right about this one.

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>>19473397

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Nene Iofi smackdown

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>>19482820
Any artist that can't draw original work should have their artistic opinions discarded, regardless of how talented they are.

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>getting away with it by implying she has a photographic memory

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>>19503698
Nenechi is a genius. I thought everybody knew that.

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>>19472437
Hololive is so fucked up lol doing a bang up job of carrying vtubers forward

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Tracing is based.
The only thing artists should care about is getting paid for their work, beyond a paycheck it's narcissism.
Any artist concerned about tracing is implicitly saying they think the traced work is better than theirs.


0 respect for artists who publicly release free artwork, you deserve every bad thing you receive in your art career.
If you do art purely for fun and solely for yourself then you shouldn't care either way because it's all for fun and the sake of art itself.

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>>19494047
Don't talk shit about Zatch Bell, faggot.

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>>19504221
This is true with books, movies, research papers, music etc. There is nothing wrong with copying Anne taking credit for another person’s work. If I want to sell Parry Hotter and the Stilosopher’s Phone and say I am the original author and owner then no one should be allowed to stop me.

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>>19504540
I'm speaking morally not legally so I obviously agree

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>>19494159
>needing recs
Lurk forever.

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>>19494110
>cover
>sold tracing art even if the original artist knew it
BHAHAHAH COPE

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>>19496010
Shit artwork is still artwork, and unless you're Miura who was born with the hands of god then you'll be improving over however many years provided you don't give up on your passion. People who trace rather than learn how to draw will never achieve growth like this.

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>>19504540
>books
Yes
>movies
Maybe
>research papers
No
You receive funding for research to put out information for the betterment of society in some facet, hardly comparably to a luxury good like art
>music
Yes

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>>19504540
I like that you used Harry Potter when it is a ripoff of Lord of the rings.

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>>19489203
My oshi will call you a loser again

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>>19504863
Wrong, most research papers are for vanity and should absolutely be plagiarized to counter the "publish or perish" and "least publishable unit" issues plaguing academia.
Scientific research has no benefit or value to society and if they can't protect their interests with a monetary stake then they don't deserve to have them.

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>some dude pirates porn
>EOPs scream about how evil he is and how he's totally retiring
>hololive girl steals and monetizes off of artwork
>nothingburger nothingburger nothingburger

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>>19472437
Based Nene. Iofi should have just sent that in a DM instead of airing it all over Twitter like the Karen she is.

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>>19505078
You're right about academia being fucked and the biases and special interest groups pushing certain things but
>Scientific research has no benefit or value to society
lmao

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some of these comments are so funny and out of touch. let's blow up the situation a bit and see what art twitter thinks, maybe we can get some real "discussion" sent nene's way :)

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>>19504787
Tracing is helpful when learning how to draw tho, saying it's original art and selling it is the real problem

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>>19505110
I don't think most eop on /vt/ scream about nipplesanji being evil for pirating, just funny because it was nipple torture porn. However that lands him in really hot water with elevens.
It is a shame that people are so lienient on Nene though or so deflective with their tribalism. She's my favorite Holo but I'll admit she fucked up and is extremely lucky it didn't turn out worse. I'm glad she got caught this early since she probably would have continued otherwise, though it is a shame she's going to be living under the stigma of being a tracer from here on out.

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>>19505403
Yes I agree.

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god dammit Nene, commission the artists next time.

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>>19505383
>let's see what twitter thinks
Only a twittertard would say this. Get out.

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>>19472437
Nene is literally living so rent free in Iofi's head that she can't sleep. Now that's based.

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>>19505591

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>>19504221
And so ladies and gentlemen, it's the mentality of this post is how capitalism gets away with killing cultures.

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>>19505179
Iofi didn't send that to Nene though, look at the date.
Iofi sent pic related.

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>>19505403
We can keep saying this over and over, but Nene was absolutely not intending for this to be a stepping stone for her personal growth as an artist.

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I don't know shit about art, but always thought her drawings were cute. Was it all fraudulent or would they still be cute without tracing? If so, then she's retarded. But that isn't really news to anyone. I love my retarded wife.

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>>19505681
>August 17 2021
I can't believe the Alien indog knew of Nene's crimes for this long and never told anyone. No wonder she couldn't sleep that must have been extremely stressful. Living in fear of the hyper tracer god idol Nene.

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>>19505762
Now you know dramafags can't read anon. Why waste time even replying to him?

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>>19505591
/thread

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>>19505811
The sad thing is that based on what we have seen from her actual art streams Nene is actually capable of cute art even without tracing although she struggles with some classic things like hands.
It is a shame she tried to take a shortcut to get what she wanted.

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>>19472437
Johannes Vermeer was also accused of tracing and some retard schizo artist indog will never be 1/10th as popular with original art.

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>>19505591
>god dammit Nene, commission the artists next time.
The strangest thing? She did, the artist she copied is her friend, the Yuru Yuri Mangaka, who did some of the other official merch for Nene's birthday.

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>>19506030
the real question is do you think namori genuinely forgave her for stealing/profiting off her artwork?

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>>19506030
So she modeled the style to match the merch and because some pixel lines look similar to other pixel lines it's tracing? Can art schizo just drink paint thinner and fucking die already

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I dont think tracing is bad, momosuzu nene's drawings only copy the character pose not entire design or just recolor it. In one of dokidokidrawing video(cmiiw) which having talk with Mikey about originality of drawing, japanese artist seems like want to inspire each other, which is the opposite of western artist. Also i remember there is this one animation video to promote something(i totaly forget what it is) from a big company, they found out that the animation was traced from various clip of other animations, and then they took it down iirc. So, my opinion is still tracing isn't bad as long as it is not a plain copy and claim it as yours.
I though iofi was a good person, but talk ill of your friend and posted it, well i was wrong then.

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>>19490836
he was being ironic

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>>19506114
Indogs are notoriously jealous even of things that have no baring or relation to them

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>>19506097
>some pixel lines look similar to other pixel lines it's tracing
It lines up perfectly which lets you know it was traced and Cover has already admitted it and taken down the merch with the artwork.

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>>19505958
Right, and the appeal of the merch with her own design was always "she drew it herself", moreso than the quality of the art. Nobody would care if the hands were subpar, or whatever.
Or she could trace over herself if she needed reference, like those real photos she draws over before posting on twitter.

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>>19506114
>>19506097
when most of the effort was made from someone else you don't get to take it and use it for commercial purposes or to make money without permission. I know I know, 4chan, being the bastion of morality it is isn't the place to debate piracy and shit, but anime art is always being stolen and reposted without permission and traced. They constantly call out people for this sort of thing, almost daily.

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>>19506114
>I though iofi was a good person, but talk ill of your friend and posted it, well i was wrong then.
She didn't though. The reply she sent to Nene about this was
>>19505762
I am sure that Iofi is really upset but she seems to be trying to be a good senpai ready to be there and support her kouhai.

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>>19506097
>and because some pixel lines look similar to other pixel lines it's tracing?
Some pictures literally match up one to one. You could spend years digitally drawing nothing but skirts because frills are your fetish or something, and the odds of you having one skirt having the exact same lines multiple times are about as common as two snowflakes with the same pattern landing in your hand.

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>>19506257
Nenecute!

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>>19506072
This is the thing that really bugs me. There's an actual likely chance that Namori isn't okay with what Nene did, because what artist would be happy seeing someone steal and profit off of their work, especially a friend. But she has to pretend like they talked it over and everyones okay with the scenario.

This is going to be a thorn in her side for years.

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>>19506295
People are just defensive because it is Nene. They love her and she has never been caught doing anything actually wrong like this before.

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>>19506097
>some pixel lines look similar to other pixel lines
lol

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so,, which one should graduate? nene or iofi?

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>>19506475
"He was a good kid" is my favorite defense.

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>>19506297
I am really sorry, i didnt read the entire post reply. Thank you

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>>19506114
Pose copying is heavily looked down upon in japan unless it's a famous/trendy pose. It's the reason why the no game no life had to go on hiatus after getting caught tracing on almost all of his LN covers.

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>>19506072
I don't know but I've wondered that too. Just as a fan of Nene I'm upset by this dishonesty and I'm not even an artist. Having your actual friend do it though? Friends are the people that can really hurt you because they're the ones you trust. How long would Nene have kept doing it if she wasn't caught now?
I really hope everything does work out alright and Nene is able to stay a good friend with Namori despite this. With her Depression, Nene needs her friends.

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>>19505110
Who the fuck bitches over people pirating porn? Other than the fuckers getting fucked, who actually cares?

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>>19506630
Nene really does seem like a good person though so I can see why people would be upset.
She's always been stupid, though in a cute well meaning sort of way. I really, really hope that she doesn't stupidly try to trace something again after this and that she can move on from it.

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>>19506671
>that 0 is 90cm high
just how tall is nenechi?

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>>19506826
I wonder how many times someone will have to make major fuckups before we get past the "they're a good person, this was just a mistake, we should all move on from this" stage.

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>>19506789
>Other than the fuckers getting fucked
That is who bitched.
Also the law cares and it is a bad look for an entertainment company to have their entertainers stealing entertainment.
Finally, the porn company has connections with some of the sponsors of an event for Niji which is apparently in risk of cancellation over this.
If it was a less hilarious pornography he might have gotten away with it.

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>>19506953
>That is who bitched.
She didn't bitch, by the way. She poked fun at it.
>the porn company has connections with some of the sponsors of an event for Niji which is apparently in risk of cancellation over this
Please for the love of god, learn japanese before you post about japanese drama.

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>>19482820
wonder if Cover cut ties with them like with Hitomi Chris one...

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>>19506913
Depends on the fuckup. Like Nene has accidentally doxxed her gen and spoiled her genmates streams without meaning to due to being careless or excited. And she got Kiara demonetized on youtube for a while by accidentally streaming on her account.
Those all seemed accidental though. It is hard to believe an adult, even a dumb one, would think plagiarism is okay and so this one seems more intentional. If she were caught doing this specific kind of fuckup again then I would be sad but understanding if she was absolutely blasted for it.

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>>19506650
Ah, this one is very interesting. I just remember that in japanese comicket event where will always be artists selling their doujin which has famous ip character like fgo, love live or something else. But they didnt get sued for it, and they earn money from it.

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>>19507171
Because ultimately that relationship is symbiotic. Many IPs will straight up allow individuals to profit off of them and make doujin or merch because it grows the fanbase and is essentially free advertising. Basically, if the IP isn’t going after these doujin artists, then the unspoken agreement is that it’s allowed.

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>>19507171
Maybe the main problem is whether you sell it your own, or by selling it through company like hololive as a merch. You know that nene's other twitter also selling a merch, maybe she's used to trace post for her artwork and sell it on fanbox.

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>>19507171
Because nobody cares about doujin works using heavy references unless you get caught full on tracing multiple panels; see Pija.

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>>19507243
Agree

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>>19473561
I remember she had one of the first collabs with Nene (it was a drawing one I believe) and was later seething on twitter about people not recognizing she's a hololive member lol bitch must've been jealous for a while now.

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>>19472437
no its not

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>>19472582
this is true but virtue signalers do care

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>>19506114
>I dont think tracing is bad
>japanese artist seems like want to inspire each other
>the opposite of western artist
>animation video to promote something
>found out that the animation
>then they took it down
>my opinion is still tracing isn't bad
faggot be fighting with his own words

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>>19505808
Unwarranted response. The anon you responded to was just defending tracing as a learning tool (which it absolutely is). Not defending Nene or saying she just did it for training (she didn't).

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>>19472437
Twitter Soapboxing is always awful

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>>19483757
I thought it was about those plagiarised icons

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>>19489056
indogs and other non-japanese will never be seen as equals let alone "senpais" in based nippon culture no matter how it looks on paper.

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>>19492272
I'm pretty sure she said tracing in the video at one point

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Do people genuinely give a fuck about tracing?

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>>19508985
Absolutely.

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>>19494251
Nene is not a pro artist by any means, drawing is just one of her hobbies and she probably got overly ambitious with this one to the point of a fuck up.

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>>19509362
Yeah but she claimed it was her own work and it was being sold as such on official hololive merch.

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>>19508473
She does say it when referencing Cover's tweet at the start of the video, although in a kind of roundabout way. In English it would be as if she's saying "as Cover stated, there was an affair regarding partial tracing" and she apologizes "for that incident causing commotion." That's just nitpicking fine points of the language she used, sure, but the reason I do it is that she then immediately tries to downplay it as just reference, even though the official statement she just confirmed as true in her tweet says tracing. This is just personal opinion, but she really gave me the impression that she didn't want to admit she was tracing. NTA by the way.

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>>19508985
No, otherwise I wouldn't be watching anime or vtubers.
Anyone who's unironically mad at this is a hypocrite, especially the nips.

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>>19506594
you could tell me iofi had actually graduated a year ago but no one noticed and I would believe you.

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>>19494090
My all time favorite is Caspar David Friedrich. But if you just mean Japanese illustrators, I really like Satoshi Urushihara and Haruhiko Mikimoto. I'm pretty sure they've traced in the past but I can't think of any specific examples off the top of my head.

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>>19509394
What I mean it's not nearly as big of a deal as if she was a pro and drawing was her selling point, the whole scandal seems pretty autistic.

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>>19509394
It was her own work. Are you implying it wasn't?

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>>19509139
Spotted the nijinigger.

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>>19510653
Kill yourself immediately faggot. Plagiarism is wrong and I can say that even though I like Nene.