How do we make the /vt/uber community healthier?

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There seems to be a lot of instability and drama in the industry, and no less in what, who, and why the fans are that exist.
I don't think we can fix or even start to stop a problem until we acknowledge it.

So, this thread. I think we should have serious discussions about how to healthily consume these creators and what you can legitimately expect to get out of them. Mental health issues aren't always pretty but when some of the people in this community are ill it affects everyone, including the Oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

just give up, big fandoms are always cancer because people are cancer, stick to small friend groups

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unironically by being gatekeeping faggots

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>>1845417
V-Tubers are especially cancerous because young men are coming in making it something it isn't. We have a lot of genuinely autistic people who can't seperate masturbating to a girl's fanart from the actual girl themselves or their real sexual lives.

We can stop it before it starts by talking about the elephant in the room, what v-tubers are, how we consume them, what a girl means when she does what she does on the stream, etc. I think a lot of people need to take a step back and question their own views to see if they have some misunderstandings.

[Anonymous No.]

Amegeddon was 5 months ago and it killed off most of the worst schizos, no one gives a fuck anymore

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>>1845394
Stop posting here.

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Just enjoy it and don't worry about what other people do.

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>>1845517
>We can stop it before it starts by talking about the elephant in the room
no you can't, the amount of people here don't make up the majority of fans and new people discover this board every day, whenever you think you've got an ability to wrangle these tards new people will waltz their way in, it's fruitless to try. all you can do is try and be a good fan and lead by example and condemn bad people when you see them

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>>1845590
you'd be suprised how many people would be better off if they just asked about women for thirty minutes to a sane rational adult or their own fathers

[Anonymous No.]

Keep on bullying nyannerfags, tiafags and herfags

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>>1845617
they wouldn't be here if they could anon

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>>1845394
Well it's much more bigger than the usual fandom, it has to do with how society see japanese men and how loney they are, and the incel shit and a bunch of other topics that have to be mentioned, unless the talents themselves start talking about it, there's going to be a vtubing shooter or a murder

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>>1845394
You can't this is what you get when you cross the fanbases of streamers, anime and idols.

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Amegeddon really exposed how awful people here (and by here I mean the /jp/ threads that predated /vt/) are. Imagine seeing girl who's overcome poverty and near-homelessness and is finally achieving something and going somewhere in life and shitting on her for the crime of having an ex-boyfriend. 4chan has always been a one-up contest of how cruel you can be, but I feel it's gotten distinctly worse since around 2015 or so.

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>>1845645
we love lain! we love lain! we love lain!

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>>1845688
The worst thing is that it seems to be an attempt at aping a Japanese-style idol purity culture that even the Japs themselves are moving on from. No one on 5chan got this mad about this shit.

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>>1845688
it's younger posters.
you have a genuine chance to affect their developing minds. sure, they'll blow you off a fair bit -- but if they're surrounded by people challenging their preconceptions you can get them to flip.

it's why we have the whole incel issue in the first place -- some of the stuff is so basic it's assumed it doesn't need to be said or re-stated, and some people miss out on it due to neglect or whatever else. some of the obvious stuff is never stated online.

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how do we help the holos????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHPKgVvzwM0

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>>1845394
context

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>>1845727
>No one on 5chan got this mad about this shit
That's just because Japanese Amecorns don't exist. Depending on how "pure" the girl is seen to be the amount of Unicorns in her fanbase ranges to a lot to nearly non existent. Marine has virtually no Unicorns for example. Plenty of Japs sperged out when they thought Gura's purity might've been ruined and cancelled their memberships though. They also found 4chan's reaction to Ameggedon funny and payback for when Americans told them to get over the Towa yab. Like "see, we're not the only ones like this"!

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>>1845617
>sane rational adult
Its surprising how sane adults are demonized in media and how the most popular celebs are angry clickbaiting faggots
> fathers
Got it the worst. Basically, the point is asking a calm, rational person has been presented as the worst option for the last decade

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>>1845517
Hahahaha
I like how you can write "coming in making it something it isn't" and then treat it like a problem of ignorance. You won't win because some people are specifically sculpting community views day in and day out with an aim to cultivating that particular perspective. They are already well aware of what you espouse and they use it as a "Know Your Enemy" handbook. See: all attempts to turn even the most everyday, normal interactions into expressions of GFE.

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>>1845394
>Baby cuts
>Horizontal cuts
>Fucking thigh cuts
ngmi

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>>1845844
Supposed to be one of the pictures an anon posted during amegeddon. In fact people found it on a tranny discord.

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>>1845517
>how we consume them
I fucking hate that verb, the 'consoom'. Use something less predatory, e.g. 'enjoy'.

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>>1845394
average EOP schizo. I see no problem

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>>1845688
It appears you weren't around during the Kannagi shitstorm (the one with Haruka Tomato).

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>>1845688
I mean, irony poisoning and the fact that a lot of 4chan users have just genuinely horrible views don't help; using words 'ironically' tends to make it so you're more likely to use those words genuinely, and the counter-culture that makes 4chan go against mainstream views and take regressive positions is fairly shitty because people don't seem to be able to look at things critically and not believe everything they see on the internet/not understand that having beliefs like those is kind of poisonous to their mental health
>>1845750
This as well; I'd be willing to believe most people who have horrible views are actually like 12-16 year olds who heard of 4chan as this cool edgy place and then internalized the views that people espoused on it.
Of course, there are people who came to those views on their own or through indoctrination outside of 4chan, but I think 4chan is certainly a factor in some views

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>>1845394
I bet she's cute though. I would love to see her face.

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>>1845883
Some of them are malicious or unable to be reasoned with, I'm sure, but there are also a genuinely higher amount of autistics here than usual who can fall for that shit if you don't challenge it.
You've got the first attractor, a niche hobby associated with autism, and then the second, 4chan, creating a much higher percentage of autistics.

We don't need to spoonfeed but we shouldn't allow it to become common wisdom that we're all here for a GFE. I don't have a perfect solution and I'm fully aware part of the benefit of 4chan is it's anonymity and free flow of discussion but this stuff has real world implication analogous to /pol/ or old /b/.

Once you step into the pit you realize a lot of these people are not joking or trolling, they're dead serious.
They're small enough to almost completely nullify if people just were aware that it's not a joke or board culture, these are a minority of genuine incredibly mentally ill people infesting the board.

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Just be glad none of the tubers themselves are mentally ill.

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>>1845394
Leave Menhera for the vtubers, not the fans. Fans aren't usually as entertaining

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>>1845972
What was Armageddon?

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>>1846038
>irony poisoning
Shit like this is why I have to take "normalfag" or "boomer" opinions from time to time. I don't have time for this kind of shit. The irony is that I keep seeing 4chan types on my Facebook and I hate it.

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>>1845394
Based, next time go down the road if you want to get anywhere, not across the street.

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>>1845394
ban all "ogey" "rrat"

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>>1846108
>Just be glad none of the tubers themselves are mentally ill.
Have you ever watched vtubers before?

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>>1845727
Why would they get mad about ame??????

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>>1846108
>

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>>1845394
What's your point?

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>>1845394
By luring more healthy people into this hole of depravity. As long s there is new blood, someone is bound to still be a healthy individual and the average health of the community will rise.

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>>1845622
The most important ones to bully are KFPfags and Shartem*sfags.

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>>1846169
>>1846191
Most of the non-indies just seem to be putting on an act to me, for entertainment value. Some milk their retards but most don't. I haven't seen any serious signs of mental illness or genuine obsessive attachment to their tuber personality, their following, or other tubers.

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>>1845394
You can't. This entire community hinges on having parasocial relationships with imaginary characters acted out by real people playing a role.

It's pretty much a giant fucking magnet for autism and other forms of mental illness so there is stopping it. If you do see some autist trying to act up like this; don't egg them on and tell them to take their meds. Pretty much all you can do is try not to act like an insufferable asshole

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>>1845622
>>1846222
You're forgetting Deerfags

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>>1845394
>pure holoen girls
>all of them are western whores
You brought this on yourself. Western women are WHORES. Just enjoy the vtubers as entertainers not as your virtual girlfriends.

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>>1845883
>See: all attempts to turn even the most everyday, normal interactions into expressions of GFE.
Simple, normal interactions is GFE though. A lot of people want a girl who they can talk to or hang out with and female streamers give people this opportunity.

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>>1846003
Fuck that whore.
t. /a/

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>>1846131
Check archives on /jp/ on october 1st

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>>1846135
Genuinely it's important to take literally everything you see on 4chan with 8 fucking litres of salt. A lot of people here are just kids with too much time on their hands chuckling as they type up shit about how 'x thing/group/person is horrible' to make people mad while not realizing they're actually coming to genuinely believe it and gain a toxic as fuck mindset, and that's not even beginning to talk about how /pol/ literally indoctrinates them if they go onto it.

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>>1845688
>4chan has always been a one-up contest of how cruel you can be, but I feel it's gotten distinctly worse since around 2015 or so.

It's been getting worse every year since 2004. There is no going back; just ignore the faggotry and move on

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>>1846288
Some lean in hard into the GFE though. It makes me so uncomfortable when they do because I don't see it ending well. I'm glad Okayu doesn't do things like that even if the games she plays suck.

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>>1846131
Amegeddon was nothing, just a little pun that Ina made up. Don't investigate further.
https://twitter.com/ninomaeinanis/status/1338569787773833216?s=20

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>>1846205
Don't assume they're all trolls or fucking around, don't let them control the narrative. Challenge them when you have the time or energy. Try to be more compassionate. This isn't a charity but some of these people don't have any role models when it comes to women -- this is their first time engaging in a female dominated medium with a strong emphasis on personality and without it being fiction, like some Anime or show.
I know I'll be ridiculed but this stuff can genuinely help people who lack common sense for women. This stuff can genuinely help autistics who can't tell when a woman is asking for it and when she's being a friend.

It's not your responsibility to make sure kids aren't coming here, or that mentally ill spammers are banned in a timely manner, but it'll affect you. You can't prevent every tragedy but you can prevent most.

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>>1846272
They're properly contained to one thread.
>>1846321
/pol/ is often more right than wrong, it's just the way they go about making their points that's pure cancer.

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>>1846384
>/pol/ is often more right than wrong
Go back to /pol/

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This thread has already done more than I hoped for it to accomplish. Just saying this common sense stuff is enough to challenge the circle jerk usually ignored.
Might not seem like it but I guarantee you someone has already seen this thread, opened it expecting it to all be shitting on OP, and was surprised to see the response so far.

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>>1846408
/vt is now just new /pol
Chang my mind.

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>>1846384
>/pol/ is often more right than wrong
Fuck off /pol/

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>>1846525
/vt/ can't be the new /pol/ because it's already the new /v/ colony.

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>>1845394
that's from Sandbag's discord though

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>>1846493
Most people hate those desperate saps or the type of fag who should get the message stays in their own threads. The things is that if you're fanbase has even one crazy that is enough.

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I'm basically an Ame gosling who "roots for" her and sees her as an ideal of what I'd like in a partner, but I also know how to separate fantasy from reality, as I assume the vast majority of teamates do. At most I'm using it as motivation to better myself (exercising, etc.).

>>1846525
>Chang my mind
lol nice one

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>>1845394
Be real, these guys were going to do this regardless of whether or not their oshi "betrayed" them. They are pretty much garaunteed to do this unless they get the original problem fixed, which is themselves.

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>>1846639
>I'm basically an Ame gosling who "roots for" her and sees her as an ideal of what I'd like in a partner, but I also know how to separate fantasy from reality, as I assume the vast majority of teamates do.
lol
i hope this isn't serious

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This is a lot of pointless handwringing when we haven’t even had an incel kill one of the girls, wear her detached skin like a skinsuit, steal a car, and lead police on a high speed chase across three states yet. If you want to finally get serious about this, only then we can start talking about boundaries.

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>>1845688
>ex-boyfriend
Amebros wtf...
Do I delete everything of her before I further cuck myself? I bet she's getting fucking gangraped by niggers right now..

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>>1846768
You trying it jinx it nigger?

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>>1845394
step 1: do your reps
step 2: suddenly know japanese and don't have time to interact with the fandom because there's archives to watch
step 3: unsubscribe all clippers because you have seen this before anyways
step 4: bliss until all the companies go to ruin because of predatory capitalism or some shit
step 5: suicide

none of these involve posting anywhere.

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>>1846321
>using 'toxic' unironically
you have to go back

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>>1846768
Fellas which vtuber would give the best quality skin suit? I feel it would be Flare (low body fat percentage = lower rancidity, skin already pre-tanned).

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>>1846493
>Might not seem like it but I guarantee you someone has already seen this thread, opened it expecting it to all be shitting on OP, and was surprised to see the response so far.
You got me there. I'm always surprised to see empathyposting on 4chan.

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>>1846588
When I was a teenager, back when, I started on /b/ like a bunch of other dumb abnormal kids. Then I got more political and went to /pol/ -- I still had the 'outsider' mentality to 4chan so being so frequently challenged for my politics started to seriously affect me, first causing anger and later conversion.
What got me out of that hole was becoming more social and seeing my views actually challenged by people. When the only people willing to talk about /pol/ shit is /pol/, the /pol/ mindset has an extra outsider edge to it along with a feeling that they won't engage it because it's right.

Knowing that mindset I know that threads like these can really actually stop the pipeline for some, or atleast get them to jump off at the next stop and ask around a bit more before the train leaves without them. You expect one thing, that the OP is going to get shit on and be told to go back to /r/eddit and whatever else is fad, and then you see this -- it makes you stop.

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>>1846493
>Might not seem like it but I guarantee you someone has already seen this thread, opened it expecting it to all be shitting on OP, and was surprised to see the response so far
it's funny because it's true

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>>1845983
face the facts you little gobshite, you CONSOOM this content just like everything else you do "productively" until this fucking lockdown ends and of course relentlessly also after that happens.

you are here forever.
feeding on other people's work.

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>>1845617


They wouldn't because most people's fathers are bluepilled gen y'ers or babyboomers, and no people's fathers are gen x'ers or millenials because the latter are all childless thanks to the former.

Sex is literally just a phone call away for anyone who wants it, so how can there ever be such a thing as foreveralones? Because getting PiV obviously isn't the real issue. Cooming is easy, the problem is that marriage is illegal.

This is all beyond the scope of what some people in a dank corner of the inernet can do about their dank corner of the internet, but it's what forms the background of these sorts of things that will impact them anyways.

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>>1846768
I would rather there not be a first time. Many will quit and it'd be really awful for the victim.

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>>1845394
>How do we make the /vt/uber community healthier?

Making Calli leave

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>>1845688
Wait people actually got assmad at ame having an ex?
Holy shit why the fuck
How fucking autistic are people on this dumpster of a site

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>>1846294
fuck (you) I still want a second season

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>>1846384
you now manually realize "/pol/ is always right" was always, at any time, about ideology, not about their status of validity in arguments

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>>1846639
In a sense, I think it's natural to be attracted to your oshi. There's clearly aspects of them that appeal to you and draw you to them specifically, and those are likely the same things you would look for in a partner. The issue is whether you mentally keep it as a crush or you fall way too hard and become obsessed.

[Anonymous No.]

Never forgiving you guys for this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp10iDUOR9Q

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>>1846870
Lairs of irony can do that. I started watching and simping for Matsuri in bad faith because I wanted her to have more complete emotional breakdowns until she was a broken husk, now I kinda want her to get better and enjoy her time on this earth. I want her to graduate a better, happier, and more complete person. It's strange how you can gaslight yourself like this.

[Anonymous No.]

this thread smells like newfaggotry

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>>1847077
what happened? is there some SC talking about it?

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>>1846768
I dislike Kiara but it was a wakeup call seeing actual recorded video of a bike stalker telling her to kill herself while he rode by. All it takes is someone who thinks she's a Japanese hating western whore corrupting Japan who has no respect for the culture, and you'll get a knifed Kiara the next time she comes to Japan.

I won't get political but the Japanese have an ultra nationalistic portion of their population more than willing to kill themselves over someone insulting the emperor -- there's a real possibility that encouraging her to say more dumb shit by poking the hive could actually result in one of those borderline schizos deciding to commit the crime while he's underage.
I don't have answers on how to make the Kiara problem fade or become less serious, nor do I expect everyone to stop shitposting or having banter, but it's obvious from Kiara that something could happen to some of the holo's. Especially with how new and inexperienced the whole industry is with this emerging culture -- nobody knows for sure how much security is appropriate or how to best keep any of those switches from being turned while somebody is especially ill and vulnerable to madness.

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>>1845394
stay away from shitty fanbases
stay away from crazy schizos that are beyond broken and can never be fixed
stick to small circle of small time chuubas that are forever chill as fuck
simple as

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>>1846967
listen, and listen well.
Poe's law applies.
When a bunch of people act like spergs and idiots online, for the lulz, someone WILL take it seriously.

4chan is basically Poe's playground. Millions of autists throw shit at the wall to see what sticks, and people take them seriously.
I can almost guarantee you nobody actually cares, and the ones who do destroy all their merch for a photo in a post, which means they actually don't.
If that wouldn't be true there would be thousands of suicides daily just in the threads.

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>>1847085
>I started watching and simping for Matsuri in bad faith because I wanted her to have more complete emotional breakdowns until she was a broken husk
what the fuck
you kinda forget that there's, you know, an actual human being behind the cute and funny anime jpeg?

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>>1846078
Okay, I see a lot of 'disillusioning' talk and what-not, but what about the next step? How do you retain these people who have ostensibly become "healthy members of the vtuber community" and have them continue to support their oshi for her other aspects, without quitting altogether when they realize they didn't get what they originally 'bought'? You can't just leave them hanging, after all.

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>>1847195
I'm better now, I wish her the best of luck and I want her to have a happy, fulfilled life with loved ones. I care about the person now, my faith turned from good to bad.

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>>1847121
Because it ruins some of the fun. Like an ARG host having to stop the game due to someone taking it too far. It's not fun for everybody and it would be great if these guys were just trolls fucking around.
I'll fully admit I did some fucking around with them thinking it was all a joke. I have clearly been far too long isolated from the more deranged elements of this site. I wish I could just go back to shitposting but it's clear some losers are determined to ruin it for everybody else.

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These vtubers are like the modern day geisha's or something. They were not only about sex but just spending time with.

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>>1847195
>you know, an actual human being behind the cute and funny anime jpeg?
No, they are virtual characters. Real life actors is just a rrat.

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>>1847198
>You can't just leave them hanging, after all.
the fuck are you, twitter community support?
they have worse problems if their lives depend on some wannabe anime girls online doing human things

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>>1847260
well, you're "reformed" from shitposting literally harming your psyche, but what about everyone else? what about all of the literal children and teenagers the election and /pol/ or thedonald attracted to this place who are actually getting their brain toasted by the nonsense in this place?

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>>1846383
not your hugbox gtfo

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>>1847342
i don't know even the rough estimates but teenagers these days, aleast the abnormal and tistic enough to seek out alternative spaces like 4chan, seem to cycle ideology at pretty fast speeds.

you know how some stock/crypto buyers are always chasing the next two hundred percent oppertunity? how they get told this one is really going to pop off? i get the impression it's similiar to that, these guys follow the hype, have denial when they see it's not all that they thought it was eventually (hopefully) and then get onto the next train chasing that high of understanding the world.

the major problem is sometimes they don't get off. sometimes, for a variety of reasons, they stay on the train.

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>>1847342
are you their dad or getting fined for this?
no?
then who the fuck cares

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>>1847270
>have clearly been far too long isolated from the more deranged elements of this site. I wish I could just go back to shitposting but it's clear some losers are determined to ruin it for everybody else.
have you tried not being a massive faggot?

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>>1847334
Really? I thought the whole point of the OP was that it affected everyone? People fitting the OP's stereotype who've been convinced they've been deceived aren't going to just peacefully drift away, they're going to badmouth vtubers, try to 'save' people from their newfound moral high ground, and in the worse cases go full anti against the vtubers and their support structures, They certainly would have nothing better to do with their newfound time. And surely you don't want to just cut people off from their old fanbases without making any effort to retain them.

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>>1847460
Not to be that person but Covid is a great example. /pol/ was convinced for months that it was a world shattering event and when it was they pretended it wasn't.

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>>1847157
jp found an old qna from 2019 from a roommate gushing over a boyfriend. The ex bf in question was a vtuber and was bitter enough to stir up a shitstorm via taunting fans. Threads went ballistic generating the image above. She probably knew what was going on and managed to hold it together for that stream but broke down crying at the ending. She later said on twitter it was just spicy noodles and there's nothing to worry about. All for the crime of dating a guy before hololive. Purityfags are scum

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>>1847342
>wont somebody please think about the children?
>>>/r/eddit

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>>1845394
Just dont let it be more than a hobbie, dont neglect your job, studies and try to work out

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>>1847362
4chan gatekeepers are literally trying to preserve their hugbox though

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>>1847362
>It's not your responsibility to make sure kids aren't coming here, or that mentally ill spammers are banned in a timely manner, but it'll affect you. You can't prevent every tragedy but you can prevent most.
Fully aware. I never claimed otherwise. But I believe in selfish altruism. I think it's why we're typing on computers right now in the year 2021. I think truly selfish actions often end up being majority helpful to others.

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>>1847460
you underestimate greed.
/biz/ is a whole other layer of humanity, most of them just trying to survive the best they can which is not a lot.

>>1847496
>anything on 4chan is a hivemind
FUCK
OFF

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>>1847506
No I know about amegeddon, I just didn't know what happened on that specific October 1st stream.

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Anyone have that screenshot of some chat admin going full simptard and sperging because the streamer had a BF and the first thing he does is move on the the next streamer? No amount of disillusion with any particular tuber will fix anyone.

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>>1847528
you will never belong here

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>>1847533
>you underestimate greed.
I'm down ten thousand dollars because I thought my ten percent returns should actually be twenty percent. I know what it's like to be riding a bull run only to realize I got suckered. Not only that but I also know what it's like to be an ideological sucker.

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>>1847528
good. now get out

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>>1847554
bold statement to make on a board with a primary userbase that started using 4chan in september

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>>1847664
i don't get this claim. like if literally no one that likes vtubers browsed any other board before
i'd wager the vast vast majority of people here are just crossboarders

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>>1847664
not many people started using 4chan as a whole for the first time for vtubers, most of those people went to reddit or twitter

the bulk of this board is probably 2015/2016 phoneposters who came here because of trump

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There's no such thing as a healthy VTuber community to begin with. If we were mentally sound, we wouldn't be spending our days watching girls wriggle around in an anime sock puppet and pretend to be everyone's pure idol girlfriend. The 'community' can only exist so long as there are mentally unhealthy, lonely men to exploit and opportunistic women who are more than willing to squeeze those paypigs dry. And boy, there are. I remember a recent Subaru clip where she said recent Hololive gen recruitment had something in the range of ~6000 applicants. I'm sure with the current EN recruitment it's even more now. Every thot with a microphone wants in on the sweetest gig of the century.

So how exactly do you propose to improve the mental health of everyone involved? You can't, because those of sound mental health would never end up here to begin with. People get so attached to these girls that I seriously worry what they might do when the girls inevitably graduate. You having fucking Aloe simps, for a girl who did a grand total of two streams, an introduction and a goodbye stream. It's truly unreal to watch, but at the same time totally understandable. Everyone wants to feel appreciated and there's an endless legion of lonely men who are willing to shell out cash for the female attention that they could otherwise never get.

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>>1847171
meds

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>>1845688
Roommate posting usually has me like some vtubers more. It worked with Ame. She's not my type of girl, so it killed the horny for me, but it just means I can jokingly Gosling vs actually Gosling, which is a helluvalot better than going full parasocial

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>>1847754
wonder how many people still go to /b/ first these days. i know /pol/ is kind've the new /b/ when it comes to first time users.
i think the bulk here is likely older though. anywhere from 2006-2014.

then again the internet kinda boomed and became officially integrated into everything around 2015/16

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>>1847485
holy fucking shit get a degree in psychology and an office, you clearly need it to validate (you)rself

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>>1847714
been here since 2008, /b/ to /a/ and /jp/ since Miko exists
enjoy their content regardless of what people write here, simple as

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>>1847779
>So how exactly do you propose to improve the mental health of everyone involved? You can't
You nailed it man. It's easy to tell if there's hope for someone or not, and a lot of people here are way too mentally broken.

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>>1847779
it's all fun and games until you get some of these girls deliberately goading the losers with this GFE shit. in fact i respect the girls that don't do that shit, like kiara. and no i'm not falseflagging as kfp or something, i don't watch her at all but i appreciate her not doing that shit. ironically her being somewhat social justice oriented might have something to do with it...but then again you're a retard if you don't think the EN girls care about "social justice"

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>>1847956
kiara does it more than any of them

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>>1845394
Ban post-holoEN debut newfags and EOPs

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I dont think theres any cure for teamates at this point.

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>>1847531
wrong post faggot, also that essay you wrote makes no sense.

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>>1848009
she just yuribaits with calli sometimes for the lulz

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>>1847779
>If we were mentally sound, we wouldn't be spending our days watching girls wriggle around in an anime sock puppet and pretend to be everyone's pure idol girlfriend
i see nothing wrong with this and I'm mentally stable/healthy. Lunaito btw

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>>1846843
Polka, she has the closest volume/surface area for it

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>>1847779
The entire thing is bullshit... You can be autistic or depressed or whatever else without becoming unable to function beyond a minimum wage job or able to engage with the v-tubers in a healthy manner. I've suffered plenty but I engage with who I like as a form of habit no different than a sports team or show you enjoy, but with the added benefit of her kindness and similar interests.

For fucks sake my own mother got into V-Tubers. She saw Watame crying talking about her childhood and it's like something clicked in her head, she wanted to start watching it live even, silly as that is given she'll probably never learn the language given her age.
It's not just cute anime girls preying on men's lust. It's the emotional aspect of someone you aren't as suspicious of -- a person carries all sorts of burdens in our mind, about what they're trying to gain or whatever else -- but a Tuber's anonymity allows both our mind and their mind to be more honest and let down more guards. This shit is attractive to anyone.

If you doubt what I say just look at VR chat. This is basic human nature, people desire freedom from their bodies in order to say what they think. This isn't just for you or horny men, you need to work on your empathy if you really can't imagine anything beyond your own emotions and perspective on this. Hell, maybe it's a relic of self criticism where your attachment to v-tubers makes it impossible to be okay.

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>>1847877
Maybe you should tell that to OP first, then

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>>1847754
Most of those reddit refugees came here because how bad Holo and vtuber subreddit have become nowadays anyway

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>>1848048
you read it wrong dumb dumb

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>>1847642
and that somehow makes you entitled to be fucking mother theresa for a bunch of neckbeards falling in love with jpegs?
holy fucking shit get a twitter and fuck off

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>>1848136
Being happy with myself is free.

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>>1847779
half of these people wouldn't be here if it wasn't a fucking pandemic and all the shit they'd usually spend their time with was closed. I bet all my Internetz the moment covid is somehow "over" 4chan is healing in a big way, excuse the trumpism

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>>1848087
i don't think he was talking about himself
just open the global thread whenever amelia's streaming to see he's right

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>>1847956
There are some I can't even watch because of how much they do the GFE shit. Like how does it not make people feel uncomfortable? Maybe I'm in the wrong hobby, I don't really care about the implications, it just makes me feel yucky to hear it.

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>>1848226
>Like how does it not make people feel uncomfortable?
Well, when a virtual cartoon character is the only person who's willing to even pretend that they give a fuck whether you live or die, you take what you can get.

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>>1848080
lunaitos are the most stable bunch on this board

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>>1848080
listen, I don't personally watch Luna but big respect goes out to Lunaitos. The level of not giving a fuck you guys go to is insane and I respect every bit of it. Dare I say based. Role model for the whole board. Never seen any hugbox tranny discussion involving her.

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>>1848226
I don't even know what this means any more, the term has become so diluted. It used to mean flat out Rushia-level "I love you, we'll be together forever, please don't look at any other girl" and "I think I'll eventually marry a fandead" but people keep bringing up random weaksauce shit like Ame talking about walking her dogs as GFE because "that's what a girlfriend would talk about!" Frankly it seems like an anon problem, not a holo problem.

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>>1848219
He said "we". And as someone who used 4Chan when I was younger I'm all too familiar with the feeling that anything I like could be shameful, especially if it's anything to do with anime. I'm willing to bet if he's a long time user that is part of why he can't conceive of it beyond hopeless men in the worst light. Someone I know called me out on this shit and it actually helped a lot, made me realize how needlessly I prefaced everything I like with "I know this is kind've pathetic/bad/sad but".

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>>1848092
in theory I should have done that.
in practice I'm just shitposting to procastrinate work here so couldn't care less
but yeah I agree.

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>>1848226
This. It's why I can only watch the VTubers that are cheeky little shits like Pikamee or Pekora. I don't want a girlfriend, I just want to watch a cute anime girl play games, rage, and have fun.

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>>1847779
Harsh but true. I wouldn't have it any other way.

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>>1848092
actually, let's do that

>>1845394
why would you care, faggot
let Darwin take care of it, better yet, tell all of them indivudually to do it vertically so it actually does stuff instead of just create LOOK AT ME scars for attentionwhores.

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>>1848371
mah nigga
That is exactly why I enjoy Pikamee, and I also thrive to look for more fun indies like her.

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>>1845617
>a sane rational adult or their own fathers
And that's the kicker. Most men I've met fall either into borderline rapists, religious nuts, perverts or mama boy simps. You guys are gonna have to climb the mountains to speak to the few sane men left in America.

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>>1848128
who the fuck were you quoting fuck off

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>>1845688
Wait Ame had a boyfriend??

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You just need to slap the shit out of unreasonable people.

This place is a prime example why you'd need to do it. A shockingly large amount of people are ignorant about their targeted hateful comments being genuinely hurtful, whether they do it "for the lulz" or not. It's easy to say "haha man up you pussy" to someone, but I doubt any of the ones who say that have been in a position where they're on the targeted, receptive end of it for weeks if not months, unable to do anything about it.

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>>1845394
Step 1: Laugh at them for being a seisofag
Step 2: Laugh even harder because they posted it expecting us to give a fuck.

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>>1848443
>indie

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>>1848336
that's true. i'll agree with you and him in the way that yeah, i'm never admitting publicly that i waste my life away on this site and masturbate to underage anime girls and anime girls with cocks, but i've kinda outgrown the whole "everything i like is shameful and cringe" shit somewhat. my friends know i like anime and weirdass japanese games, i always pick the little girl character and they don't give a shit. even so i know i gotta keep up some semblance of normalcy, so even if they know i like to watch "anime girl streamers" i'm no way in hell sending them a korone clip even if they've probably already seen her do the eekum bokum thing. you still gotta have some powerlevel, you know? but i'll also admit that yes, the majority of people that end up watching vtubers and dedicating their entire waking moments to watching archives for "reps" and their oshi are probably not very well adjusted. i'd say the people that know how to simply enjoy a cute girl doing cute things without wanting her for themselves are a minority...and a silent one, at that

inb4 >friends

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>>1848447
Anon. They are women in their 20s. There's likely not a single one who doesn't have a body count in the double digits, and a large percentage likely have boyfriends right now.

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>>1848465
nigga just turn off the screen like what the fuck

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>>1845394
Context?
I haven't been visiting the global threads for a while now.

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>>1848511
i wouldn't say double digits but i'm very certain _every_ girl in the agency has lost their virginity and has been in a stable relationship before.

that said i don't think many have a boyfriend currently, men aren't that willing to put up with their girl literally streaming for hours on end for randos on the internet

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>>1848521
>nigga just end your career

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>>1848487
oh my bad

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>>1848521
genuinely impossible. random discord e-thots get fucking murdered these days by stalkers. still remember when that kid murdered that discord thot who ghosted him via decapitation.
just like in serial experiments lain the real world and the internet are no longer black and white, instead we have an ever increasing gray.

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>>1848544
1 in 4 japs are virgins in their 20s, probably somewhat lower among women but still higher than you'd think

aqua is an obvious example of someone who probably couldn't even handle an intimate relationship

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>>1846967
Amegeddon was more about people being 'concerned' that guy was still with her. How much of it was genuine sperging and how much was opportunistic shitposting no one knows, but the thread calmed right down after the breakup was confirmed by some stalker anon. But that could also be a third of the posters getting banned on that day.
A lot of other things put the nail in the coffin, including someone (possibly ame herself) coming in a few weeks later, when some people tried to revive the rrat, with suspiciously specific screenshots and message logs from long-ago privated discords to establish alienation happened even before auditions.

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>>1848521
That applied 10 years ago when Tyler the creator made that tweet.


The rules have changed, and now nobody can turn the screen off, and it follows you everywhere you go.

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>>1848605
HE is still an active streamer and definitely the kind of person who actively uses 4chan so it might have been HIM

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>>1848325
Ame shilling her valentine's day stream as something more than a regular stream gave me GFE vibes and turned me off of her. I will still watch her oblivion streams because I fucking love Oblivion(I'll die on this hill) but I checked out.

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>>1848544
>i wouldn't say double digits but i'm very certain _every_ girl in the agency has lost their virginity and has been in a stable relationship before.
This can't be true because I would have mental breakdown. Since having a mental breakdown would be bad it can't be true.

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>>1848583
the vast majority of these girls are in their late 20s though, some are older
like literally only shion and haachama are entering their 20s while the rest are exiting them or getting close to

my headcanon is that aqua despite suffering from genuine social anxiety plays it up for comedic effect. i just struggle to believe that someone who's so fucking good at managing an audience and social media hasn't been in some sort of a relationship before

but then again i'm not japanese so what the fuck do i know? i'll restrict my comment to the EN girls then, they've all most def have had boyfriends and various sexual partners...not that it fucking matters at all

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>>1848571
oh no, that's horrible!
and (you) are to blame for it all! jesus christ! please do something about it already! oh the humanity!

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>>1848633
>I am helplessly addicted to the love my mother never gave me which comes to me in the form of light rays from my monitor but only when I type specific things requiring actual engagement
god just fuck off can't even be assed to type all that out

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>>1848544
i could only imagine dating some of the girls as a legitimately good idea. for some reason the openness of marine and her genuine appreciation of fans would make me okay with such a girlfriend, as ironic as that is for miss horny.

more than anything though i'd be concerned over my own position, not theirs.
a girl who is by far more successful and appreciated than me would definitely weigh on me -- i'd imagine feeling somewhat like a replacable cock.

[Anonymous No.]

Sexual liberation was a mistake. Embrace the masculinity of Islam.

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>>1848662
>I will still watch her oblivion streams because I fucking love Oblivion(I'll die on this hill) but I checked out.
That is GFE too, having a girlfriend play through your favorite game.

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>>1846384
>/pol/ is often more right than wrong
Only in the sense that they literally deny objective reality and beg you on their knees to leave if you point out the facts.

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I was thinking this thread was decent until
>age=maturity
Yeah keep your circlejerk going gramps.

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>>1848737
the point where /pol/ became lost was when you became a shill for challenging dogma. at that point it became a glorified constant war between various cults trying to control the narrative and discredit the other as shills.

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>>1848325
>It used to mean flat out Rushia-level "I love you, we'll be together forever, please don't look at any other girl" and "I think I'll eventually marry a fandead"
this is just rushia playing up to her gachikois and paypigs. no one actually believes she literally wants you to only look at her and that she's going to marry a fan someday...i think
gfe nowadays is shit like amelia literally having a valentine's day date stream and spending like what, 9 fucking hours celebrating new year's in a ton of different timezones? also telling her chat that they're special and that she feels all warm and that they deserve love. that shit's disingenuous and legitimately makes me worry for the poor people who fall for that shit

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Okay, what ISN'T the GFE experience then?

I've been thinking about this lately and if i'm slowly getting to that point without realizing.

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>>1848736
But my favorite game is Morrowind and that'd make for a boring stream.

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>>1848675
>i just struggle to believe that someone who's so fucking good at managing an audience and social media hasn't been in some sort of a relationship before
hehehehe
my mom had sex for the first time at 25 and is one of the most sociable people i know -- she also has anxiety bad enough where it practically ruined her career and even life, to a degree, to a point where she's made it clear she'd had killed herself if if i had died during childhood.

it's genuinely amazing how mental illness works. even incredibly sociable people who you think have it all together can be having panic attacks.

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>>1848780
>Okay, what ISN'T the GFE experience then?
A Male vtuber or a collab with males.

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>>1848767
t. 18 year old
it's not a meme. age does give you perspective and experiences help you mature and grow. unless all you fucking do is stay home being a neet for 8 years straight

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>>1848780
botan

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>>1848635
It was definitely not him. The stuff that got leaked was not flattering to his side.

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>>1848767
back to r*ddit you go zoomer

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>>1848844
>18 year old
If anything they're an Underage Band

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>>1848780
i don't know. watame is my answer -- far more a mother than a waifu desu. feel like im in pre-school again when i'm watching her, very soothing.

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>>1848852
would be incredibly funny if he were one of the ame antis in /hlg/

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>>1848822
no, i understand your point. i guess i'll give some of the more...fringe JP girls the benefit of the doubt like her and pekora. others like marine and coco and shion have def fucked though, even noel if her guy issues are anything to go by

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>>1848873
Maybe, but you can easily spin that to lacking affection or something too.

t.Yuki-min

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>>1845394
Stop caring and watching people you don't like. Support people you like.
Ehh... it's unhealthy only if you allow unhealthy people to affect you. You're no better than this retard on photo.

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>>1848662
I mean she did shill it that way, same as the first "date stream", but both just turned out to be just parody events whether she meant them to be or not. The couple even broke up at the end of the game for the valentine stream, which isn't exactly a good connotation to give your viewers if you want to give them GFE.

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>>1848844
It's more about brain development not being complete until you're 26 to me.

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>>1848844
>>1848862
I can safely say my parents became better persons when I hit the 12s and started pointing out their bullshit.
>hurr it was the age
No way, I left them to their own in specific aspects and my mom still can't bring herself to do a bit of exercise or my dad to constantly wanna see his family even if we just saw them a week ago.
I can't even count the times I had to be a mediator because they spent an hour arguing over pointless bullshit.
Experience means jackshit if you can't learn from it and most adults die having the mental age of children.

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>>1849022
You find it easy to be a mediator as a kid because nothing you say has any consequence for yourself.

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>>1849022
and then you grow older you realize your parents are human beings subject to their own flaws just like yourself and you start getting stuck in your own ways and begin acting stubborn just like them before you

and you realize that you don't actually know shit about your parents and the life they lead before having you, if you're even lucky enough to know both of them in the first place

then you begin to forgive them and understand

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>>1845394
>I think we should have serious discussions about how to healthily consume these creators and what you can legitimately expect to get out of them.
Who are you to dictate how anonymous retards on a Taiwanese imageboard consume their funny Vtoobs, faggot?
You don't have authority over internet users, eat shit and fuck off back to whatever shithole you came from, your ilk is not welcomed here.

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>>1845517
Female hands wrote this post

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>>1848989
Maybe she was low key telling mentally ill fucks to step off and stop trying to make her their virtual girlfriend since it won't work.

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>>1849155
There are no females on /vt/. Yes trannies but not real ones.

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>>1849097
Oh no I already know saying too much is bad, I learnt that since very young thanks.
>>1849114
You think I don't know that? They're amazing for being able to change their lives from how they were raised, and it's precisely because of that that I strive to be better than them too. I know I have shortcomings too but your past doesn't excuse you from your current actions. We're not robots, we can think for ourselves and don't need to use our past as an excuse for being stuck.

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>>1849188
She's not that clever, it's just because the studio that made that "game" is one of the ones that Cover actually has permissions from, and it's short + about romance so she just fit it into her stream.

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>>1848605
Doesn't change the fact that he probably fucked her raw, slapped her ass red too, nutted in her face. If your cool with girls like dat hit me up bro I'll give her 10 ugly kids you can take care of while we rearrange her kidneys.

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>>1849278
virgin hands typed this post

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>>1849278
Have sex

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>>1849188
I mean people do send in SCs asking to marry her and she just tells them to 'get in line'. For the first few months it was actually notable how much she refrained from using the "love" word with respect to her audience. There's a lot of cues that indicate she doesn't want to provide anything close to the Polka/Rushia experience.

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>>1848780
Karaoke, this is the most basic just like listening your local radio.
Count yourself somewhat sane if you don’t follow anyone in particular through content you would normally find boring or actively watch archives. Everyone else is just slowly falling to the flirty girl using a cute tone scheme. In the end, not watching vtubers is the real winning move against GFE.

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>look at this thread
now I remind you Amegeddon was overblown because a SEAnig and his group of discord fans decided to leak the content outside of these threads (which is the reason why Ame's old community posts like "u" was deleted) but yes we are mentally ill like our oshis, chat reflects the streamer

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>>1845750
It's not my or anyone else here's role to parent "developing minds" as you put it, nor is 4chan a good place to attempt that anyway. You seem hilariously out of touch with this website and view it as some sort of cultural battleground where every post needs to be countered with your pre-made talking points. Hint: it's not.

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>>1848780
Suisei

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>>1848844
Even if you were to be a shut-in NEET for ten years, you still mature a bit and are pretty different from who you were as a 18y/o.

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>>1845394
Stop being a busy body commie fag. If people just did that one thing it would fix all of society also nice (you) farm.

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>>1846967
At the time people thought for sure they were STILL together. Also the source of this info basically had Ame describing their sex life which further put salt into the wound.

Anyway it wasn't so much people being mad as it was Goslings being fucking pathetic and writing 50000 paragraph essays about why they lost all hope, MUH KAYFABE IS BROKEN, etc. etc. while others trolled the shit out of Teamates calling them Condomates and saying their SC money goes to paying for his condoms.

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>>1849438
Pretty much, the brain is still developing until mid 20s. Society should probably adjust to accommodate this, but that’ll take time. Either way, no matter how smart or mature a teen thinks they are, they’ll grow and realize what immature things they’ve done and regret it.
t. Was 18 and dumb

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>>1849508
Technically she actually denied sex, just intimacy. But still to them its about the emotional betrayal rather than any concern over physical issues.

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>>1849508
And that therein is my biggest issue.
Oh we’re discussing how 11 year olds are attractive? Nah man it’s call irony. Oh we’re gosling over a vtuber, calm down faggot it’s just ironic posting.

Then when something actually happens, 80% of hlgg is having a meltdown over it despite it all just being “ironic posting”.

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>>1849554
Retards think they are in good company.

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>>1845517
hi risu
Jesus just talk about ripping nuts off on your next stream to hurt these fags more i know you want to

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>>1849406
v-tubers aren't mentally ill
>muh usual suspects
Acting. Rushia fosters it for money but she isn't mentally ill nor is she codependent.

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>>1849619
Aqua is, but not in a menhera way she's just cripplingly autistic

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>>1849619
I love Matsuri and Polka but they both have something genuinely wrong with them.

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>>1845394
For the record you can easily find pics like that on https://twitter.com/search?q=%23shtwt&src=typed_query&f=live that aren't indexed on GIS (check for yourself).

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What a shame, this was a genuinely interesting thread.