/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Is Council the first holoGen to completely fail?

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>not one memorable stream
>not one memorable moment
>not one memorable song
>not one memorable meme
Yes.

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>>17337247
Yes. Vox is going to overtake Sana very very soon.

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>>17337247
Yes, absolutely obliterated by the gen that followed them

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>>17337247
Part of me thinks Myth just got lucky with debut timing because everybody was stuck inside during that time period. We need an EN gen 3 to have enough data. If they blow past council you have your answer. If they about the same or worse then Myth just got lucky that Gura carried them.

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>>17337766
>Part of me thinks Myth just got lucky with debut timing because everybody was stuck inside during that time period.
How new?

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Nope.

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>>17337766
>Myth just got lucky with debut timing
Yes, and first EN branded generation with very little significant competition at the time. That's not going to be repeated.
>We need an EN gen 3 to have enough data
ID3 is not far off. With ID2 being EN1.5, there's a pretty good chance ID3 will be 2.5. If ID3 passes Council, that's pretty much the last nail in the coffin. I really enjoy watching ID, but I recognize they are always going to have a numbers debuff compared to EN. If ID3 can overcome that and pass Council, it's a huge indicator of lack of interest in EN2.

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>>17337766
>Myth just got lucky that Gura carried them.
This. Gura was pretty much everywhere and still is. Not necessarily in views anymore but in brand recognition. People who have nothing to do with her or vtubing know about her.

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>/thread/

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>>17337247
Nah, first one was gen4.
And if we take gen3 as golden standard, then every gen aside third is a failure.

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>>17338174
>gen3 as golden standard
Myth is the gold standard, being the first Gen to have all members at 1 million subs.

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>>17337766
This. Gura for example got popular mostly due to worldwide lockdown + kids that got directed through YT's algorithm. That's why it still cannot be replicated to this day, the events surrounding it was pure lightning in the bottle. If anyone thinks she got where she is due to talent they must be off their meds.

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>>17338326

She was a major success by herself before, why would her talents not carry over?

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>>17338326
>kids that got directed through YT's algorithm.
When we start getting gura nostalgia threads I'm leaving this site.

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>>17338326
Seems you have this all figured out, mind posting the data you used to reach your conclusion?

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Depends on your definition of completely fail. They aren’t anything special that’s for sure

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>>17338326
You realize Gura was already bigger than any Hololiver before joining, right?

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>>17338434

You say this, but I said the same of Azumanga Daioh. You are here forever.

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>>17337247
Yes

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>>17338557
>>17338532
Nta but it's extremely obvious that she got popular with the normalfags at that's part of the reason she blew up.
The old channel has nothing to do, it had 600k subscribers at the time of debut and she was small on Twitch

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>>17338663
>nothing to do
With it.
I forgot to end the sentence

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>>17338326
>If anyone thinks she got where she is due to talent they must be off their meds.
If it's only muh algorithm magic then why is gura the most popular? Why not ame, Kiara, ina or the wigger?
You can't deny her talent anon

[Anonymous No.]

Susan screwed every Holomember that debuted in 2021. Vtubers are on the decline and half of it is her fault.

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>>17338723
Lay it on me, I live for vt schizo theories

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>>17337247
>Is Council the first holoGen to completely fail?
>Pulls more numbers than you ever will
>Makes more money than you ever will
>Loved in Japan
>Loved by peers
>Beats out even myth numbers at times
>Plays the same shit as every other holomem.
Yeah definitely failed, chumbud.
>>17337766
Yeah we know this. Myth literally only succeeded because of pandemic buff and it introduced vtubing to the west. Anyone who pretends to have been into vtubing prior to it is lying, because none of you speak Japanese and watched Nijisanji JP or Holo JP before clippers joined the fray in 2020.

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>>17338711
Do you know what the most viewed video on youtube is

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>>17338723
Stop blaming Susan for your Oshi laziness

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>>17338814
You’re making too much sense for a bait thread anon

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>>17338769
Not a theory, even Holo members complained about it. It wasn't Susan herself intentionally, if that's what you mean, duh. Look up Laplus suddenly losing 120K subs at once

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>>17338711
>numbers indicate talent
Pewdiepie must be the most talented person in the world.

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>>17338814
>Anyone who pretends to have been into vtubing prior to it is lying
Everyone point and laugh, laugh at this peasant who wasn't around during Asacoco streams.

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>>17337247
Pretty funny that you're using gen 2 to trash on them, lol.

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>>17338888
It's a slow morning, even bait won't be entertaining lol

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>>17338814
>Lived in Japan

Searched the JP threads and vtuber websites extensively. They absolutely don't care for it.
Myth too but they have some fans at least

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>>17338880

0/11 members that debuted in 2021 have a million subs, and those include chuubas I like and don't like. Gura got a million in a month, guess she can't catch a break from all the hard working

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>>17337247
so whats your definition of fail?

also dont use my baqua for baiting

t. aquacrew

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>>17338910
Thank you for this.
Cumpedos need to fuck off.
Worse than Pewds fanbase

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>>17338944
>4 big hitters plus choco who used to carry them in the beginning
Hmm

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>>17338904
No like, who's Susan and Laplus? What did they do? I've been diving into indie tubers for the last several months, idk what this months hololive drama is

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>>17339031
Anon you don't need to pretend to be retarded to get answers, you can just ask normallly. Also it affected indie vtubers too

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>>17338936
Bruh Asacoco was 2020 as well. Vtubers became popular in the West in late 2019 after Fubuki's Scatman and Miko saying the no no word. Before that it was tumbleweed

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>>17339094
I'm being dead serious anon.

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>>17338711
>talent
>saying ''a'' in her debut
s...sugoi....

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>>17338904
Didn’t follow HoloX, but Council subs got culled like 3 times before debut, I can’t find the graph though

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>>17338910
>gura is popular only because of the algorithm
>>the why aren't the rest of myth just as popular?
>b-but being popular doesn't mean is good!
Don't pull a muscle moving the goalposts, anonchama

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>>17338985
You, holodrones are at fault, mass subbing new shiny girl, confusing algorithm.
You act like bots and are treated as such, i don't see a problem.

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>>17337766
Unironically this. I had seen vtuber memes prior to her debut, but I never willingly watched any streams. My Twitter feed was full of Gura during her debut so I decided to watch it. Hooked ever since.

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>>17339022
>Aqua: doesn't stream
>Ayame: doesn't stream
>Shion: doesn't stream
>Choco: doesn't stream
>Shuba
nice gen you got there

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>>17339179
Because the algorithm was solely focused on Gura throughout the debut era. Do you recall all the times you saw "A" memes being on your recommendations? I remember my recs and all of Twitter being full of variations of that shitty meme but her other genmates were barely mentioned in comparison. Yeah, if it wasn't for that she'd be at the same level as Mori right now.

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>>17339336
>Council

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>>17337247
Cover can't recreate the vtuber boom so there was never going to be another gen as hyped as Myth. It's actually interesting just how much competition has popped up between Myth and Council, the market is like night and day.

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>>17339336
Weeaboo JP fans will forgive anything about their lack of streams.
I hate Council but even i can recognize that some of the JP holos are much lazier than they are

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That is a completely unbiased yes from me i wanted to like holo council but i found them to be. Only slightly more appealing than holostars and in my opinion that means they failed the main branch bench mark test.

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>>17339146
holoX did get culled, but La+ pointed it out so more people were aware of was happening and could resub, while council just bent over and took it. That is ok managment for either muzzling Council, or council for not caring enough to point it out.

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>>17339146
Council indeed got culled a lot harder than HoloX, but they also made the mistake of not acknowledging it at all. HoloX mems may have looked like huge numberfags by going all "guyss i lost 40k subs SUBSCRIBE SUBSCRIBE PWEASE" several times but at least that helped them regain the subs much more quickly and it worked in their favor. I'm sure the Council girls didn't want to look desperate but a simple "youtube's kinda screwed so double check if you're still subbed!!" would've been pretty helpful.

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>>17339580
Tell me when an EN does a concert on the level of Aqua's

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>>17339625
If Cover fucking give their 3Ds they will, faggot

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>>17339625
Tell me when Cover finally hands them their 3D models so they can actually begin to consider doing concerts like the JP girls.

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>>17337766
Council hype got bungled by kinda weird (or just ugly) designs and then at least here instant doubt about their past lives.

The real thing that stunted the momentum basically for any Holo audience, was they seemed rather uncommitted to the role in several of them having various points of very light activity (or just basically none for Sana) or otherwise were just massive disappointments - very ironically due to the lore, which was for some reason supposed to be the focus.

Lore was the real weak point the more you think about it - Mumei tried way too hard to be the 'pitiful' airhead she's stated to be, and people thought that was annoying and too gratingly fake. An EN aqua is a nice idea - but moompers laid it on way too thick at first. Aqua is actually a pretty normal person most of the time, and only sometimes has baqua moments but Mumei tried to be that basically 100% of the time. People kept expecting Bae to be a zany entertainer like an EN Peko, and she herself tried to commit to that and present herself as that - but, she's just not that at all, she thinks being loud and shrill = """chaos""" and that simply does not help her. Even where the lore was not damaging, like for Kronii, it hasn't helped her either. For example she is stated as being haughty and sarcastic and she does insert that in sometimes, going "aha of course I am" in response to "you're pretty" complements from other Holos - but knowing that she's stated as being like that, makes you feel like it's all fake and scripted when she does it. That.. sucks, actually, it takes you out of it. You don't want them to feel fake and scripted and the more they try to stick to the pre-stated lore rails the more it looks like that. If they had basically no lore, there'd be no preset expectations. For JP in Gen 6 even if they had detailed lore like Chloe she 1000% ignored every word of it and did what she knew she's strong at. Imagine if Chloe had tried to be a cool aloof kuudere assassin/hitman instead of just be cute. She knew better and said fuck that.

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>>17339767
tldr, omegatranny destroyed council by inserting shitty prepackaged lore.

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>>17339733
Hell they won't, maybe Mori will but no one else has the staff or the location available to even plan it out well, Aqua's shit took half a year of planning

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>>17339767
>Mumei tried way too hard to be the 'pitiful' airhead she's stated to be
Personally I feel like she was simply way too fucking nervous at first, she really seemed like a deer in headlights for the first couple weeks where she barely said anything and I'm sure she did try to lean a little into it but I don't think it was all completely intentional. Made worse by management not allowing her to use her own fucking character lore by shutting down history streams and history related games because muh politics. She's gotten very comfortable nowadays and it's very nice to see.

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>>17337247
Did you get laughed out of the numbers thread again CouncilSchizo? Unfortunately the catalog isn't familiar enough with your BS to laugh you out of the entire board but you really need to take your meds.

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>>17337247
The issue for me is they have too many girls not standing out.

For Myth each girl comes across as a unique individual with their own personality.

At the extreme surface level with council you have Fauna and Mumei who are both quiet/softly spoken, "cutesy" type voices, both great in their own right but seemingly not too different from one another at first glance, and Bae and Sana are both australian, giving it a weird feeling.

Myth was just the perfect combination of each girl being distinct and working as a whole, and council just doesnt seem to feel that way.

That being said I pretty much only watch Gura, Irys and Amelia anyway.

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>>17340062
>board with thousands of thousands of visits and IPs everyday
>all the shitposting about a certain topic is ALWAYS the fault of one singular schizo
I wonder what brought this line of thinking, shit like Barry was already extremely rare but in this board every thread got it's own boogeyman

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>>17339336
>Shion streamed yesterday
>Aqua streamed most of the week + concert
>Choco streames regulary be it Ark autism or her collabs
the only one i can give you is Ayame other than that you are retarded and should watch more streams instead of posting your dumb takes

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Seriously why is Sana's live2D so shit, it looks like something from a 2009 Newgrounds porn game. Kronii and Irys seem like they were done by someone competent but they don't fit into the other Hololive designs.

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>>17340254
Most common sense post. Also speaking the truth

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>>17340266
When one schizos COMMITS and does it hard, every day, for months on end with little variation, it kind of becomes obvious to spot. What causes it? Probably mental illness of some sort, or perhaps they're a seething 2view. Who knows for sure?

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>>17340254
Myth felt unique not only for being English Holos but being a really different composition from most of the HoloJP gens which are generally made of known experienced streamers on yt/NND. Council in being mostly composed of various 2views and some known/guessed on names felt very much like how NijiEN had been doing it, only Niji pulled some girls who immediately had a lot more gravity/personality to them than anything we saw in Council like Selen. This is another facet, in addition to comparing to Myth you could compare them to Niji and they looked a lot like Niji's formula only done worse.

Only Sana was the wildcard here, but what we wound up with was an Ina that doesn't draw + took a month off from streaming on her channel. Ina-ina probably would not have fared much better if she went under the same pattern as Sana, can you imagine any of the Myths just fucking off for a month last November in the thick of their most crucial growth/establishment period? We would have never heard the end of it.

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>>17340357
Cover doesn't want to invest too much on a nepotism hire.

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>>17340505
>Trust me I have no proof but I KNOW it's one guy, there's no way that there are multiple people that want to shitpost against this topic on this board addicted to shitposting
No anon, there isn't a barry nor a ACfag in this thread, and you would be lucky to spot one on the rest of the board

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>>17339336
Choco
>blonde, streamed non stop at the beginning now barely streams

Ame
>blonde, streamed non stop at the beginning now barely streams

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>>17337766
Cover fucked the Council by waiting too long to cash in on the hype from Myth and tried the same shit strategy of hiring a bunch of random people with no connection to each other + Ina's friend and then expected they'd magically have good chemistry, even though it took Myth months to get over their awkward collaboration period.
>>17338414
Gura was not a major success by herself. Her youtube channel might've been because of what that type of content appealed to, but comparatively speaking, her stream viewership was abysmal because the people who watched her content weren't interested in her as an entertainer and only cared about the shitpost videos.

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>>17340505
gen 5 shizo is salty because Botans debute shat all over his oshis 3D debute

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>>17340672
you do realise that just because you don't watch Choco it dosen't mean that she dosen't stream right?

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>>17340345
Even her streams regularly though

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>"first holoGen to completely fail"
>"completely"
>steady subs
>stable average CCV of 4k-10k for non karaokes
>tons of fanart daily
>dedicated clip channels
>fan animations that get hundreds of thousands of views
>remarkably loyal fanbases, even for Sana somehow, go figure
so where's the part where they failed?

>b-but myt--
no fucking new gen/wave in history will ever have an incline as huge as myth's because their circumstances were quite literally perfect. even the miraculous gen 3 which is constantly taken as the best gen ever didn't have an incline that notorious.
that said, go sub to Flare you bunch of huge faggots.

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>>17340266
How new? The schizos are easy to spot and its obvious when they spam threads/the catalog.

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>>17340598
Fucking imagine if they pulled Selen instead of who they got for Bae and gave her that sexy rrat model and told her to go nuts being funny and chaotic. She'd mix with that assignment like cinnamon and sugar AND she'd have been a fucking apex god on top of it. God, this is actually painful to contemplate.

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>>17340811
He doesn't watch Amelia either. Just a faggot

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>>17340674
Not to mention she was pretty dogshit as an entertainer and was always awkward on stream outside of being a mumbling mess of a drunkard. It's pretty wild how much she changed.

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>>17337247
Huh????

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>>17340969
>The schizos are easy to spot
Yeah schizoS, it's simply retarded to think that it's one guy making this threads, and it's also mental to think that less than a dozen people are shitposting in those threads too

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>>17338414
nta, but her previous "success" was having a handful of scripted clips, mostly meme songs, going viral. Nothing more, nothing less.
Her few tries at actual livestreaming were pretty miserable, both from a content standpoint and from a popularity standpoint (she got a few hundred ccv max, which is kinda underwhelming for someone with a 1mil youtube channel and several clips with multimillion views).
So yeah, her "talent", if you could call it that was making short meme songs go viral, and it's arguable that this talent didn't really carry over, because she hasn't made any new videos in that style since as Gura, there's been no "ok boomer" or "kiss yo homies" part 2.
Does she have an actual talent for livestreaming? Well, that's more debatable, her previous livestreaming career before Hololive was not as much a smashing success (and mind you, it's not like had the excuse of being an undiscovered unknown either, so no "she was always good, she just needed to be given the right stage spotlight for people to notice!" cope like the 2views usually tell themselves), and only since she got the Hololive brand buff with the blue triangle next to her name she got tenthousand viewers showing up for her streams.

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>>17341022
Senzawa streams barely got past the 400 hundred views with how low effort they were, her Vtuber model was even a looped GIF most if the time.
Most people were only in it for her drunk shitposting nature of her youtube channel

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>>17338814
Holy cope. Council is a literal failure.

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>>17339012

[Anonymous No.]

I only dislike Sana
I don't care about Fauna
I like mumei and kronii
I love bae

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>>17338814
Kizuna AI retard

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>>17339767
tl:dr loserbait is a fat retard and crippled the branch with his nonsense.

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>>17341022
Exactly. People give Gura way too much shit for how well she integrated herself into hololive and the amount of professionalism she has.

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>>17341563
>Gura
>Professionalism

She can't even make music on her own, create projects and do her nihongo reps.

Call that professional?
She is just the lazy senzawa she always was

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>>17339911
Troon nigger had a debut at the end of THIER night. The night should have been all about them, not some faggot who's on a power trip because upper management doesn't care about managing the EN branch too closely.

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>>17341671
Man imagine baiting people this much, anon. Kinda sad, really.

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Why do I keep going into these shitty bait threads?

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Because people are bored and need their drama fix.

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>>17337247
So smug, and so right

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>>17341820

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>>17341732
Not bait. Compare Gura to the rest of her gen.
All hardworkers. What does Gura do other than having 3 million dead subs?

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>>17337247
HoloID

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>>17339767
meds

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>>17340982
The fact that this isn't the reality we have is true pain.

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>>17341909
Undermine ID to the point of barely noticeable pre-ollie. Being the 1st holo to get a million. Being the fastest growing vtuber in history. Having the 2nd/3rd most viewed stream in vutber history. Having the most memed single word meme since the letter 'E'. Mogging Pekora in Mario kart and probably mogging your oshi too.

This can go on really, baiter.

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>>17342079
Also the first Myth to graduate since she hates her fans and being in hololive.

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>>17337247
As has been stated before, Cover took way, way too long with putting together and releasing Council. They basically allowed the small corpos and Anykara to take all of the really good and promising talent, and now we're left with five girls that stream like they're JP gen 2.
EN3 will be interesting to see though. It may be the first time we see some transfers from the prominent small companies or even NijiEN.

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>>17342285
No, that's Cali

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>>17342079
He asked for hardwork, and all you did was presenting proof to why Gura is a blight

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>>17340254
I feel Cover realize people are just bad at remembering faces they haven't spend much time with and that's why council and X are heavier in lore - to give out a character template for people to recognize.
It in turn backfired a bit in council when they take the lore too literally and became somewhat discouraged from letting out their own character. - but how do you act like space or time anyways? X's choice is better in that at least the talents know what to expect from a kusogaki demon lord or a samurai character and capitalized on it instead of letting it restraining themselves.
I do think Council is getting better as time goes on/you watch more of them - Fauna and Mumei clearly have very different sense of humor for instance.

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>>17342381
Does RFA at level 30 and Reflect not show hard work? Are you dense? ESLchama

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>>17342292
JP gen 2 worked a lot at first. Aqua was a goddamn horse and Choco was a big reason for 2018 growth. Council is a fucking embarassment and I say this as a big hololive fan. No, I don't think myth is the greatest thing ever but at least they work.

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>>17342445
She didn't even write Reflect fag, she just singed it.
How is RFA at level 30 hard work? Are you being sarcastic?

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>>17342608
Are you a SEAnigger? That seems like to think only Indogs and JP streamers only show hard work then you are delusional

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>>17337766
>We need an EN gen 3 to have enough data. If they blow past council you have your answer.
Isn't that what's supposed to happen? If the new gen doing better than the previous that, would mean that management are learning from their past mistakes.

Since ID is a debuff, it would be better to look at ID3, if they can surpass Council that would be huge.

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>>17337247
I only awknowledge the chuubas that are hardworking and cares on what they doing CONSISTENTLY not just for 1 stream per week. So on council i see this only on Bae and Fauna.

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>>17342860
HoloX isn't that much more successful than Council.

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>>17342863
HoloX isn't that much more hardworking than council. Their short streams kinda debuffs them.

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>>17340254
This pretty much.
I don't watch EN at all, I just watched all of their debuts.
I know Mori raps and is a bit of a foul mouthed sperg.
I know Kiara is trilingual and was a bit obsessive over others.
I know Ina is an amazing artist and comfy
I know Gura is the greatest singer in the world to all of the children who have never heard anyone else sing and a bit of a childish gremlin
I know Ame is a bit of a gremlin too albeit her debut was scuffed apparently due to lack of sleep.
Just their debuts alone were memorable and allowed them to stand out from each other.
I legit forgot all of Council's debuts, I recall Kroni being a bit of a semen demon and Fauna being EN Lamy but that doesn't make you stand out much. Hell I don't even remember Fauna exists until I intentionally try to recall her or come across any pictures or mentions of her.

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I can't believe Council actually just doesn't stream. How do they get away with it?

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Reminder that "A New Start" has reached a million views before Aqua's "Kira Kira" (which has been out for 3x as long)

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>>17342670
I know ENs puts hard work. Just not Gura.
You haven't posted a single proof of Gura's hard work yet.

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>>17342926
>>17343041

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Council has Kronii and Mumei so at least it wasn't a complete waste.

[Anonymous No.]

Stupid ass fucking post from a stupid ass fucking nigger from some stupid fucking place in the Philippines.

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>>17343354
Seems like a waste to me. They are the worst of their gen after all

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>>17343183
That's nothing. Sweet Carnival released like 6 months ago and is barely over 700k views. Aqua has a few songs with relatively bad numbers.

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>>17343475
Sweet Carnival is kino I wish it did better...

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>>17339767
It was hilarious seeing how Gura shat on Pokemon's Arceus writing and pointed out "Was this written by Omega"?

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>>17337766
Wtf is this cope in the first few month Myth was just better compared to Council except maybe in collab.You can argue that they would not gained this much success if they had debuted as the second En gen and you're probably right but they for sure would have gotten bigger.

First lets just look at the gen design
Ina is a eldritch being
Calli is the grim reaper
Ame is a detective
And Gura clearly a cute shark with a trident.
The only thing they fucked up a bit was Kiara design.
Council design is comparison doesnt work as much even their gen name suck Omega is a fucking retard for that one.
Mumei is supposed to represent civilization where is that shown in her design she look like a basic rpg character going on an adventure
Sana and Kronii are guilty of the same thing but Ouro Kronii is designed by Wada Arco so I shall let it pass.
Only Fauna and I guess Baelz design clearly represent their theme.
Now lets look at their first few month
Amelia Watson was a freaking streaming machine you could always count on Ame to stream,sometime even twice per day for several weeks and she made great stream like her halloween Watson coconction or her 9hour happy new years stream and etc.
Ina offered the chill vibe and is truly a good artist, I dont think we have anyone better than her in hololive her capacity to entertain and draw pretty fast too was valuable.
Now I didnt watch much of Mori but all of the first songs she put out were big success her mini album was at the top of charts and Idk why but she gained a massive following of paypig who stayed til this day.
Kiara, if I remember correctly was the one who streamed the most after Ame,her shipping with mori was for the most part obnoxious but it brought a large group of fan artist and some Kino collabs and she also released the most songs after Mori.
Finally We have Gawr Gura her sole presence probably boosted all of holomyth numbers,her beautifull singing catched like 50K in her first Karaoke,she also used the algorithme and played the popular games like outlast and a ton of minecraft.Gura is also the one who wanted the play a way out so she brought this Awesome collab to us.
Oh and the A at her debut was (unfortunately)iconic for a long ass time.
Now is there anything of the same caliber in the first five month of council?
All im certain of is that if Council was the first gen of the En branch HoloEn would not have been this successful.

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>>17339767
I don't know if it was full-on scripting, but there definitely was a very strong theming push in Council. The first game choices for example were very much designed to fit the character lore. There's a sizeable chunk of /vt/ that buys into the idea of "vtubers as characters", and I get the sense that HoloEN management shared the same ideal, at least for an initial push of interest.
I don't know if I agree it was an overall debuff though; I feel the impact of it was fairly minor if you compare it to the other factors like people coming off lockdown, increase in EN streamer competition, Youtube sub culling, etc.

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>>17344501
>Mythfag

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>>17337247
No, but it's funny how you continue to seethe about it. You're the same poster who thought Mori's fuckup was going to be the downfall of EN and look where we are now. Back to square one you non-japanese dumpster fire.

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>>17337247
>They're a failed gen
>Literally exists so Myth can have toys to play with in their baby crib because Myth are a dysfunctional group of autists who don't get along in a cohesive 5 man group

They are all individual successes but fuck me as a family are they a failure
HoloX makes them look like a bunch of adopted foster kids in comparison

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>>17344501
your English grammar is atrocious.

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>>17340982
>wanting a loud mouth negress over the adorable Bae
Bae is amazing. Take your Apex nigger who isn't even good at Apex and go away Nijinigger.

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>>17345581
Why did you respond to yourself

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>>17340982
Bae is amazing, what's wrong with you?

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>>17340982
>>17342044

>wanting to add an Apexfag over Bae's amazing personality and singing voice
This is unironically the worst opinion I've seen on this board in months, Selenfags are truly delusional holy shit

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>>17342608
>she just singed it
HOLY ESL!! Now everything makes sense.

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>>17344370
Clip/tikestamp or permanent ban

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I like 5/5 of council, whereas I only like 4/5 of myth
Therefore council as a whole is better than myth

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>>17344370
Even Gura knows that the new Pokemon games are trash

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>>17346027
there's something wrong with your brain

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>>17346027
Based

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>>17346027
This

I'll always watch Gura but I find myself watching a lot more Council lately than Myth. Their group dynamic is just so much better and all of them are just a million times better at talking than anybody in Myth other than Gura and maybe Kiara. Whenever Bae, Fauna, or Mumei do a zatsu I will always watch. Throw IRyS in there too, she is amazing.

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>>17340982
Bae is OVERALL better than Selen you Nijifag

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>>17339580
>much lazier than they are
compare the amount of streamed hours in their first 6 months and then see who's lazy
if council achieves the level of success gen 2 has then we can talk

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>>17339010
don't call my akutan baqua
t. aquacrew

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>>17337387
But the berries...

[Anonymous No.]

Why don't we have mods on this board?

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>>17337247
>have not failed
>BUT I DON'T PERSONALLY LIKE THEM THEREFORE FAIL REEE
medicate.
>>17338936
>delusional ex-tatsu strikes again
yawn.

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>>17342079
>hard work
>lists ancient things that have absolutely nothing to do with hard work and everything to do with trends, youtube algorithms etc
>lists poor bait in the midst of it all
God I fucking hate chumpedos so much. No wonder you faggots are among the most hated fanbases.

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>>17350241
your oshi is lazier and a hag.

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>>17344370
Timestamp. Now.
I will kneel forever if true

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>>17344370
Wrong. Gura loves Omega and respect them. All of HoloEN does.

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>>17350877
I can tell you Kiara and Ame have only ever taken jabs at Omega and never said anything good about him. No idea about Mori since I don't watch her, but I'm fairly sure it's the same for Ame and Gura.

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>>17337247
Jesus Christ is that one event old enough for newfags to just not know about it?

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>>17351035
*Ina. Meant to say Ina and Gura at the end.

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>>17350819
https://youtu.be/XYy-4jsp3Ko?t=392

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>>17351265

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>>17351265
pfttt

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>>17337387
>no memorable meme
Which is weird because the fanbase tried really hard with "FLOWER" and "BEEG". Only think we have is "I forgor" which is even shittier than bottom left

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>>17351265
holy fucking based

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>>17341022
>dogshit
SEAnigger opinion discarded

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The girls in holocouncil are boring to be honest

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>>17339767
Outside of the “I forget things a lot” coming up multiple times in her debut, I don’t think she was trying too hard to play a character so much as she was a barely functional nervous wreck to the point where everyone assumed she was a mouthbreathing retard. She even complained about it a week in. Everything you can see in current Mumei is present in her early streams, but she wasn’t confident enough to follow through back then. Then management doubled down on the problem by shooting down her ideas on how to play into the lore in an entertaining way. Whether strategy games and history streams would be a good idea is up for debate, but she seemed to have the impression that she would be allowed to do those things, only for the rug to be pulled out from under her. It’s less that Omega forced her to follow the lore and more that he burdened her with the lore, only for he or someone else in mid-to-upper management to actively prevent her from making use of it.

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>>17342926
>>17343041
This. HoloX had a more explosive start due to not having a JP debut a minute before to steal the hype and not having burnt out senpais telling them to take it easy. Now things have settled to where they’re roughly equal, Susan’s CCV fuckery aside.

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>>17351035
Mori laughed at someone in chat calling Omega an A-chan wannabe.

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>>17337247
you are correct

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>>17351044
Chowa...

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>>17351265
Every time I am close to forgetting about Gura she gives me a reason to love again.

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>>17351265
based shark

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>>17338326
Yes, her talent got her there. She got very popular due to her singing clips. Her debut singing and her first karaoke is what did it.

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>>17339145
Singing ride on time during her debut got her popular. Fucking nijiEN/HoloJP retard

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>>17351265
>Israel
I thought that anon was rrating. Holy fucking shit my knees

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>>17338541
Not beating chocosub account till today is considered failure anon

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Myth only succeeded because expectations were low, COVID shit had people indoors, and Gura gained insane popularity.

Council had the expectations to be as good as Myth and failed, they never had any memorable moments or ships, and they just generally do not put any effort into streaming. Irys/Muemei/Kronii tried creating some funny moments together but it just never worked out.

Point being is that when EN 3 comes out, they will probably be only slightly better than ID numbers because there is not really many more notable EN people who would be a good fit for Holo.

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>>17351265

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>>17351265
kek, the Omega disrespect

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>>17351838
>Only think we have is "I forgor" which is even shittier than bottom left
Pretty sure Mumei herself put that in the dirt long ago.

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>>17344775
Basically I think they can try to be set into characters/lore etc but keep it under wraps, like a page of notes taped next to their monitor - telling everyone what they are supposed to be ahead of time produced expectations that may not always be able to be fill in. Most tellingly this is what soured people on Bae, she wasn't ACTUALLY much wrong, people were just annoyed going "come on already, be funny we're waiting for it, do pranks or weird streams or something" etc and she doesn't really. If we never expected it and she herself didn't feel a need to try to be wild and screechy and just be a chill little rrat people wouldn't have found her disappointing.

I'm too lazy to go pull it up but I'm pretty sure Ame's lore originally had nothing about a time travel detective in it at all. It felt like Ame made it up on the spot to make herself more interesting/standout compared to her chuuni fantasy genmates (ina practically being a monmusu with the tentacles). However, in doing this unexpectedly, she is able to control it and bring it up or just not care about it as-needed because no pressure, it's not actually a defining trait or expectation but just a sudden bit of fun if she feels like it. Same goes for Haachama and her schizo split stuff. Not a word, not a letter of that, in her description - she just felt like doing it. If a girl wants to make a little story or lore of some kind then let her, but if she doesn't then who cares.

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>>17338814
Anyone who pretends to have been into vtubing prior to it is lying
You do know English indie vtubers existed in 2019 anon

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In truth, the real reason was that Myth were all the "first picks", premium talented entertainers, whereas Council at that point were the bottom of the barrel who couldn't even make it into Vshoujo, Tsunderia, Phase Connect, etc.
With Niji EN having flooded the corpo market, and most of the good indies now having audiences on Twitch so big that joining Hololive would be a financial detriment to them, I shudder to think what dregs will make up Hololive EN 3rd gen.

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>>17374785
This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever read

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>>17374785
>Niji EN having flooded the corpo market
10 girls is flooded? HoloEN has 11.

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Myth came into a scene with no competition so despite the fact that they lacked talent, charisma, or any sort of group synergy they attained a audience who convinced themselves that they were entertaining in order to justify watching them instead of the JP and ID Holos.
Gura was the only one who had talent, and thus why she is the only one who skyrocketted to over 3 million while the other failures, despite all the advantages languished at 1 million. And then absolute bottomfeeding Vshojo came along and ate up the rest of the audience that Myth failed to secure.
Council came in and are legitimately nearly as good as JP but are now facing a competitive field of a EN audience who's tastebuds have devolved as they have been eating shit for a year. But they will win out in the long run, people are starting to realise

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>>17338814
Imagine not knowing about vtubers pre-2019 from porn.

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>>17337247
>>17337387
>>17337486
>>17337570
holy samefag

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>>17375227
>THESE POSTS AGREE THEREFORE IT MUST BE ONE PERSON
literal room temperature IQ

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>>17375493
3 posts with the same opinion, minutes apart in a fast moving board until someone else finally took the lazy bait.

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>>17337247
The real question is if holoX is doing better than council

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>>17375828
For the most part yeah, but chloe will probably die of sepsis before summer. lui isn't doing better, but is also having discord sex with all of council, so it evens out.

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>>17375828
Generally yes HoloX kills most of Council in views/money. I mean what else could you measure them by besides personal prefs. Of which I like La+/Chloe/Koyori/Iroha better than most of the Councils besides maybe Kronii after her Sonic stream, the first glimmer of some actual passion from that entire goddamn gen.

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>>17337247
No, because Gen 4 exists. I had to google search who was even in it aside from Coco, Kanata and Towa.

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>>17351265
LMAO

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>>17338532
It was spoken to me by God.

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>>17338326
It's funny how you still think that when we literally have the data to prove that's false now.
Only like 8% of Gura viewers are under 18

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>>17359766
>>17369211
Post time stamps while i get a burger to enjoy the show please

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>>17373553
So much of this.

>duck
>rabbit
>a cosplayer
>a fox
>a stupid dog
>purple garfield
>an orange retard
They are quite popular, more than the literal demons and angel in the group.
Even though with rushia they started the 'powercreep' it seems more of a funny trope than part of her character description. Same with Towa and Coco.
Think that was the big problem with Myth and is the biggest bane of Council.
In the future they should just give them the avatar, whatever concept notes the artist was working on and let the girl LARP whatever and it'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.]

Always fascinating to see a thread like this full of statements that are just so far outside of reality. You people must come from some weird parallel universe.

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>>17351265
chumbuds, i kneel...

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>>17384222
It's called thinking.
You should try it for once in your life illterate simpleton.

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>>17353387
>I work at Cover
The post

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>>17337387
> not one memorable song
Half can’t sing to save their lives.

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Outside a few exceptions like Matsuri bandaids and Korone engrish and Gura a, most of what drove hololive's virality and success in the first place was collab antics. Matsuri molesting everybody, Aqua/Shion squabbling, Okakoro shipping, etc.. Like fuck, look at the success of the pekomoona collabs and how they basically "saved" the entire ID branch.

With Myth being composed of 4/5ths of hyper autismos who have the social skills of a wet brown paper bag, and 1/5th annoying retard who doesn't shut up, you have nothing but awkward spaghetti dropping and/or forced cringe in all of their collabs. Literally the only interactions between the lot that had any popularity, besides from the utter cretins who pretended the calli x kiara routine wasn't the worst shit on the planet, was amesame, but neither party was interested in ship baiting and let it die. So when Myth debuted missing one of the most important factors of hololive's formula entirely, all that happened was they took up all the attention from all non JP watchers, and neither managed to build upon it or even maintain it.

Then Council came along to what was essentially scraps, and while they're pound for pound less cripplingly autistic as Myth, they're still cripplingly autistic too, and more than that also bad at streaming on their own, either because they just don't do it and/or they're boring and/or they're stuck on the lore cringe. All of this while the competition in the EN corpo market gets more and more competitive and can start to bleed holo en viewers, at however small a rate.

So while Council is a relative flop, that flop was set up by Myth. Also, the covid lockdown shit has and always be complete cope.

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>>17337247
>No mention of HoloCN, the true failed gen

[Anonymous No.]

>>17388661
Rent free

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>>17351265
Please tell me I'm not the only one that noticed that the Chumbuds put two completely unrelated statements together to fit the narrative that they want to believe.

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>>17337247
vtubers are old news now

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>>17339767
Mucho texto nigga... just fucking cut to the chase and make it like 30 words

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>>17337387
>not one memorable meme
dead dog

[Anonymous No.]

Council has no value other than being myth's sidekicks.

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>>17337247
hey retarded aquaposter, hows the batsoup?

[Anonymous No.]

Akutan...