/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Is this a joke? Nijisisters what happened? Why did this go so wrong when we trusted the plan?

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>>17291004
This was the plan.

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>>17291004
A 4chan anon on /vt/ discovers that men are better than women, instance #793,740,137

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>>17291004
And that's them in Niji. Can you imagine if they had the Holostars buff?

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>>17291203
>Holostars buff
What's that?

[Anonymous No.]

It just means that niji fans have more in common with women than holocucks

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand the question. It's been a month and Vox Akuma/Mysta/other boys are outgrowing the other nijiENs for the most part.

[Anonymous No.]

How the fuck does Petra have so many subs when she's so boring?

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>>17291362
model buff

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>>17291004
Vox Akuma... I kneel

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>>17291314
That's pretty much it. The girls worked so hard but as soon as the guys came, they were turned into supporting cast. Puts into perspective how they were considered successful back then and look at them now. They were merely stepping stones for the males and that sucks.

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>>17291314
The Nijigirls share an audience with Hololive and tons of other corpos. Luxiem are the first major EN males to debut and are treading uncharted territory in a way. They have little to no audience overlap with each other, either. Of course they're still growing faster when they're bringing in an entirely new fanbase

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>>17291502
Oh okay.

>>17291517
I assumed OP was saying that Luxiem was growing poorly a month out, rather than that Luxiem was mogging the other groups.

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>>17291004
Did they mog Sana already?

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>>17291362
People thought she was the owl initially. Also the model.

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>>17291383
But Rosemi is also loliish?

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>>17291618
nope, and probably never will

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>>17291670
It's so sad that you can hardly ever stream and still be more successful than streamers who stream for 30+ hours a week just because of the Holo name.

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>>17291502
Maybe if you supported them more it wouldn't happen. Luxiem fans pump out fanart, thumbnails, and SC, meanwhile fans of the other waves are sitting on their hands commissioning skeb artists. It's to the point where Reimu and Nina got an increase of fanart AFTER Luxiem

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>>17291502

the girl superchats and subs actually boosted after the males debut, what ya talking about?

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>>17291751
quality over quantity, as usual for hololive vs nijisanji

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>>17291362
She's less boring now. At least better than >>17291628.

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>>17291752
Luxiem fans are mostly sea fujos. An entire different market. That the other girks appeal to.

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>>17291809
Absolutely delusional.

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>>17291004
Don't call me your sister fucking faggot.

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>>17291809

there is more soul in a single nijiEN chat interaction that the entirity of the council's careers

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>>17291362
Chink buff desu. She pander to the right audience

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>>17291863
>NijiEN already has more members than HoloEN despite debuting their first gen half a year later
heh

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>>17291858
So there are more sea fujos than English speaking men in the world?

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>>17291920
I was talking about how an actual failure like Sana can succeed more than someone like Elira who streams 14 times a week at times, all for over 4-5 hours, just because of the Holo brand.

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>>17291878
>muh SOVL
delicious cope

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>>17291899
Selen and Enna have spoken the most Chinese on stream.

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>>17291004
>delusional Holotrannie in disbelief that men are superior to women

[Anonymous No.]

It's over

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291960
i wonder if anyone in NijiEN is half as talented in anything as Sana is as an artist
they have a pro-gamer that got absolutely destroyed in a tourney, right? what else?

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>/vt/ is wrong again
2 years of screaming that males don't have a place in western corpos
never listen to /vt/ it's just an echochamber of incels jerking it to anime girls. they don't know anything.

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>>17292019
Sana may as well not be an artist since she doesn't do art related streams

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>>17292019
Sana actually draws on stream? When?

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>>17292077
you didn't answer my question

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>>17291203
???
literally what did you mean by this

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>>17291752
Yeah, this has always been why pandering to both genders is such a viable strategy. Men will drop hundreds on pixels because they're fiscally retarded, but women will spend 24 hours a day marketing your product for you all over social media because they're easily obsessed.

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>>17292019
They have a menhara wagie lesbian

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>>17292019
Niji has better singers. If you consider global branches, Niji has better gamers as well since they have more males. Niji's resident rhythm gamer could crush Gura with one hand.

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>>17291878
This one goes to the list.

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>>17292019
>Singing
Enna, Elira, Reimu, and probably Millie are better at singing than any of HoloEN by far.
> Art
Finana is a really good artist and Selen has been a semi-professional chibi artist for a long time.
>Endurance
Elira and Nina can go all day easily, unlike all of the Hololive members who have hurt tummies and hardly ever stream. :(

Also, most importantly, THEY ACTUALLY STREAM AND ENJOY BEING VTUBERS kek

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>>17291923
There are more SEA fujos that haven't been pandered to than english speaking men who haven't been pandered to

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>>17292190
And get tattoos of their favorite Luxiem chuuba

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>>17292290
better singers than Gura?
>if you consider global branches
nope, i asked about Niji EN

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>>17292321
love me some enner earl wet, simple as

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292321
streaming*

[Anonymous No.]

NIJICOPE LIST
>building a sub-culture
>slow and steady growth
>merch sales
>no longer showing off their achievements on their page because they have shown more humility
>percentages
>ratio
>tournaments don't count
>fortune telling
>volume
>averages
>total CCV during primetime
>trailers are ads
>Google trends
>Holo EN was a desperate gambit
>Holo's forcibly acquired audience vs Niji's natural growth
>stop picking on midgets! fight someone your own size!
>pit Vshojo against HoloEN when you're losing
>pit HoloEN against HoloJP when you're losing
>pit former Holo against HoloJP when you're losing
>Holobubble is bursting
>foreign buff/global audience bad, muh local Nips good
>YouTube Japan trends
>Apex will only get more popular from now on!
>flexible creative freedom
>Holo's restrictive management will cause them to eventually graduate
>Cover uses bots
>Hal is honorary Niji
>Kson is honorary Niji
>Ui is honorary Niji
>Most vtubers are Nijisanji like and Nijisanji is part of greater vtuber community
>Nijisanji fans are more passionate about their livers and will leave dislikes to show their engagement
>Sponsorships are retarded
>Hololive's merch and sponsorship bad because companies underestimated them which means that they don't care about the cheap collab
>Koshien is not an event
>Nijisanji is solidifying their other markets while keeping their strong home market
>pre-recorded lives are technically premiers and shouldn't count
>Cover is just lucky to have clippers and algorithm on their side
>Hololive invented unicorns
>watchalongs are POVs
>Nijisanji isn't a corporation, it's a family
>each Twitch viewer is equivalent to about 1.5 Youtube viewers because Selen flopped her first Twitch stream and Selen never flops
>by promoting the main channel they create more general Nijisanji fans which will then trickle down to the smaller livers down the line
>subs to growth ratio
>subs to SC ratio
>*insert delusion about Selen here*
>VOD views don't count
>everything that brings a big audience is a special event
>Niji is mainstream in JP, which is more important than Hololive's international dominance
>Holo's main channel kneels to Niji main channel
>gen 3 should be left alone so Nijis can be properly compared to Holos
>Square Enix doesn't count
>combined peak CCV
>quality numbers
>dead cat bounce
>Holo merch sells out quick only because of scalpers
>Hololive is only popular because of chink clippers
>68% of the top 50 vtubers is bad
>Rightful sovereignty
>Ichikara has morals
>bug in the algorithm
>DLC is a gimmick
>Nijisanji has a better following than Hololive in the west
>There are no nijifans here, only falseflaggers trying to make Nijifans look bad
>Views don't matter
>only the west speaks english
>outfit reveals don't count
>look at the Twitter interaction
>Fake numbers
>R-r-relays don't count because I say so
>Pokemon doesn't count
>20 hololive merchs
>We're losing? Better start telling blatant lies
>Luxiem is five Mystas
>Gura didn't go viral
>less money from way less obsesive fans , but that is also a good thing on the long run
>The numbers do not reflect the quality of the content
>NijiEN chat interaction is actually soulful

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291670
What do you mean never will lmfao with Vox's sub growth he'll beat Sana pretty soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292400
Glad you had the time to type all of this out because you had no streams to watch kek
>>17292321

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>>17292400
Please stay in your containment thread

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>>17292348
https://youtu.be/QCjMLzhDnq4
https://youtu.be/p7rJNPBExAc

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>>17292400

most of these statements are true though

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>>17291004
Based LORD Vox DESTROYED the purple fatass

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>>17291670
Anon have you actually seen Sana's subs? She's getting surpassed in a month or 2

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>>17292321
>Singing
they're nowhere near Gura or Irys, kek
stop joking around
>Art
oh damn, a semi-professional chibi artist?! move over Ina
fucking kek
>Endurance
not a talent

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>>17292513
>Gura or Irys
COPIUM

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>>17292348
Yes, Enna is better than the shark that can only sing within a very narrow range, cannot belt, and cannot even sing the pre-chorus to Counting Stars.

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>>17292400
Did you really write down a list of antiposts against the company you oshi? Is this supposed to look like you're owning anyone, because it seems that anonymous posts are living rent free in your head. I've only seen this type of retardation with the guy who hates Final Fantasy on /v/.

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>>17292400

anon making this list doesnt make nijisanji fans look bad, in fact it makes them look good because they are actually passionate about the branch they like.

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>>17292409
he debuted two months ago retard, he's already slowing down and he'll slow down further

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>>17292494
holy shit THIS is the best singer Niji have?
fucking hell the delusion, she can't hold a note for her life

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>>17291004
God I love Vox's voice so much. I don't even care if he's fucking women, I'm going to join Nijisanji so I can fuck him myself. I'm a man.

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>>17292621
Anon... This is not a hill you want to die on, please look at Sana's subs

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>>17292661
Do you even know what holding a note is? You could have mentioned any other failure she exhibits, which leads me to believe you don't know what you're saying.

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>>17292562
Kiara has wider range and can belt, is she a better singer than Gura?
and Irys is the best Holo singer anyway

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>>17292734
anon, she has the pitch control of an infant
get your ears fixed

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>>17291502
According to this retarded logic, Gura invalidated everyone before her just because she gained subs at an alarming rate.

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>>17292752
No because Kiara isn't on tune. And Irys is too nasal. The whole point is that they all have flaws that make them subpar singers.

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>>17292290
If they are so good at what they do, why didn't they became more famous than hololive even though they started before? Not counting Sora since the vtubing meta drastically changed after Mito

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>>17292494
I really like her singing over her clips like these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BVFa8q7-ZI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKQGoM-KK9I
Also her jazz cover of hope in the dark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hcW3x3Quo4
It's so contrast to her usual speaking voice and I find that pretty endearing

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>>17292818
Gura can't invalidate anyone her fans don't give a shit about anyone else
>>17292787
>likening pitch control to ability to hold a note
Her pitch is all over the place in Karaoke but come on now don't embarrass yourself.

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>>17292787
https://youtu.be/FxvCCtbtyfQ?t=54
Imagine being unable to sing a simple 6 note riff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292661
Time to get your ears replaced anon, that Holo-branded one doesn't last very long.

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>>17291502
Based nijisanji, the bearer of patriarchy culture. I will support and follow them to the end of the world

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>>17292975
You're cherrypicking so I won't judge that butchering, but I'm listening to her karaoke ukelele stream and her voice always sounds like she's crying or forcing being cute. Why is she singing in her character voice? I listened to some korean song she sung in a clip and it sounded nice especially since it was live and not mixed/produced, then I go to her channel and she's doing that stupid American indie pop girl voice

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>>17292958
if your pitch control is shit you don't hit clean notes and you can't keep them clean for long
it's exactly what Enna's problem is
she has a nice voice and good lung capacity but is technically rough as fuck
she's not just a subpar singer, she's a subpar singer among singer vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

hololive caught nappin on the EN fujos.

[Anonymous No.]

Hot take: Elira is a bit better than Enna anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>17293205
https://youtu.be/FxvCCtbtyfQ?t=134
It's not cherry picking. She is physically unable to sing that riff.

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>>17292975
>post what you consider Enna's best performance/ a good ad of her singing
>post what you consider to be Gura's worst performance
>see, they both have flaws! this means that Niji ENs are totally talented
the fucking desperation
just admit to yourself you like Nijisanji just because you like being a contrarian and you'll enjoy life more

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>>17293354
How many times has Gura had to change the pitch of a song into the one specific key she's comfortable with again? Since you're a hololive fan, I'm sure you know.

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>>17293323
I mean cherrypicking by saying she can't sing by posting that 1 song. I am pretty sure it's obvious her range is limited
This sounds better than any English song I've ever heard come out of her mouth and it's probably not even her best Korean song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aN53Wu9CD4

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>>17292400
Based Nijidestroyer

[Anonymous No.]

Look at all this holobronism, is this what happens when your vtubers don't stream?
>Inb4: "they're idols, not stre-"
Yeah yeah, tell me that when they actially get good singers aside from Irys

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>>17293266
EN fujos aren't watching Luxiem. It's the HK/Taiwan/Chinese/Korean/Malay/Flip/Indo/Jap fujos that are watching. That's why Vox/Mysta/Ike stream during prime time for SEA.

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>>17292321
>sana
jesus christ

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>>17293439
The riff isn't of a particularly high range. I picked it because that's one of the only instances of her accidentally choosing a song that's above her level of expertise, because it requires her to sing a more difficult series of notes, which she is simply not skilled enough to do. Gura can only sing very specific songs in a very specific range. Her vocal tone is good and her voice is pleasant to listen to, and she can sing on key within her very narrow range. She's being carried by that, while lacking most of the other skills that would make one a good singer.

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>>17293432
quite often, that is the essence of covers
you can be a limited singer and still be a good singer, having a wide range doesn't make you a better singer
especially if you can't control your fucking pitch in ANY range

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>>17293490
anon that's not a very convincing arguement when you're shitposting on a vietnamese corcheting blog

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>>17293499
anon over half the countries you listed know and speak English.

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>>17293656
My original comment was about her fake voice in some English songs though. It sounds like a 15 year old's first indie song cover. But then she sounds normal in other songs.

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>>17292400
it feels like every day i see this list this last week it has an added line, nijiniggers seems to go into overdrive for some reason

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>>17291004
How the fuck Reimu becomes 1k+ views streamer nowaday? I think she was a sub 500 views before I dropped nijiEN, does they really incline?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17293838
And copypasting that pasta over 100 times isn't going into overdrive?

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>>17292787
Wait, were you expecting her to hold every note at the same pitch while singing enka?
Are you stupid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291362
Everyone just wants to a Pentomo to groom

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>>17293917
She became the self-insert harem protagonist for girls

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>>17291383
>>17291899
>>17291628
>>17291820
ah yes, model buff for more than 6 months kek are you guys aware she's not almost 7 months old in the account and not just 1 month? maybe it's because there's people who like her..

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>>17292529
numbers and past lives (no holo brand to carry them) say otherwise lol

cope harder

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>>17292856
and the niji girls are perfect?

Why werent they raking in numbers pre-niji like gura and irys were when they were both indies?

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>>17291809
I'm a massive holofag, and even I can tell you that's pure delusion. Complete nepotism hire.

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>>17292321
> Finana is a really good artist
Not even you believe in that when you think she's better than Petra.

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>>17293977
This board is full of normalfags they don't know what enka even is. It's why they're spamming white girl music in here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292661
No, she's not. Chima is the best singer Nijisanji has and she mogs all hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>niji having better artists than ina and sana who get hired out by big gacha franchises

thread is delusional

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>>17294137
I'll agree only because I'm also subbed to chima

It's too bad operatic singers aren't mainstream anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>17294095
Not gonna lie, former Hololive fan here. This is fucking hilarious watching HoloEN crash and burn

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>>17294137
NijiEN retard, read the whole thread

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>>17294042
Alright, let’s see the sheer numbers of their counterparts. Not that I even care, but I’m curious.

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>>17291004
This is the power of MANJISANJI desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17294152
Ina > Sana (doesn't stream art) > Finana (barely streams art) > Selen

[Anonymous No.]

>>17294269
look it up yourself faggot
on an unrelated note, boy do i like Rennai circulation

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291203
>Holostars buff
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291502
this, i feel bad for the girls.

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>>17294078
You seem to have gotten your correlations wrong here. It's because hololive looks more closely at numbers than talent that they hired Gura and Irys.
Meanwhile, Niji just hired Elira's friends, but at least Elira had talented friends.
The real losers are the much more talented 2views and 3views who got into neither company.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know how the fish beat anyone. The bitch didn't even debut.

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>>17294269
give me a niji who sang an anime ending song before they became niji

because that was irys before hololive

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>>17294423
boy I'm glad no one's giving you money because your definition of 'talent' has no basis in reality and results

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>>17291004
I was membered to Rosemi and Petra and dropped them when the penises invalidated the company, but this still kinda hurts. The girls didn't deserve this. They fought a grueling uphill battle to keep NijiEN afloat after HoloEN skyrocketed, and they clawed their way upward bit by bit through sheer determination and hard work. To see them just... existing there like that really hurts. They've been reduced to being second class in a branch they built from nothing. It's happening exactly like I predicted it would for them - they're now just accessories for the guys and secondary to them.

I pity them. They didn't deserve this shit.

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>>17294423
i'm still waiting on what their talent is supposed to be
so far i got a couple of them being okay singers at best and another couple being amateur artists

[Anonymous No.]

>>17294096
She's pretty good though

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>>17292400
Kek, the list has grown. Also checked

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>>17294529
I didn't watch this morning, but I think Rosemi is still doing well. Her YGO stream was doing /numbers/

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>>17293804
EN means USA (and Canada, which is just USA 2), obviously.

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>>17294529
But Petra literally has inclined off Shu shilling her to his yumejoshi fanbase. Rosemi has also inclined quite well in the last week.

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>>17294495
Yeah but your definition of talent is apparently based on youtube views and hey, did you know that Gura's most popular song is the one where she featured for Belle Delphine? Wow, Belle must be super talented, huh?

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>>17293917
Despite what this board would have you believe, ALL of the girls have inclined from Luxiem. They brought in new people who then went to check out the girls (even if they were originally attracted by males or fujo shit). Rosemi's went from a 1k-1.5k streamer to a 2k-2.5k streamer as well, to name one I noticed recently.

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>>17294736
Rosemi was getting 2k before the third wave even came out

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>>17294529
They were living in the nijiJP's reputation which include a big chuck from males like Kanae and Kuzuha's back , you fucking unicorn needs to fuck off, if they don't have a nijisanji brand slapped on them then they will just be a 2view loser like their past vtuber identity

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>>17294529
Don't come back

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>>17291004
That's what happens when you're the only big corpo with male chuubas.
They got literally 100% of the market for homersexuals and femcels

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>>17294268
> holy shit THIS is the best singer Niji have?
im responding to this retard

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>>17294980
Sounds pretty gay to me.

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>>17294823
No, unless it was a original idea stream or collab, she rarely breaks 2k+, she was around 1k5+, all of the girls except Elira and Selen were under 2k+ when they did normal solo stream

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>>17294702
profit*

>Wow, Belle must be super talented, huh?
Why yes? How could you tell? Also got a lot of money doing it. But her talent wasn't singing lmao

Gura got famous doing her meme songs and that wasnt the only song she made viral. 1 million subs and even further reach gets you very far if you want to market and sell shit (which is why belle prolly worked with her, being the hustler she is)

Irys' utaite shit got her hired by a studio to sing an ending song for an anime, because people were willing to pay for her talent.

if people don't think your talent is valuable enough to pay you, you're not really all that great

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>>17294461
Are you genuinely fucking retarded?

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>>17295166
If they wanted to be singers why didn't they get picked up by Universal JP or something. How the fuck does Himawari Honma have a major debut as a musician but Irys and Gura don't? Why doesn't Hololive capitalize off EN's singing ability at all, instead making them sing dumb meme songs or English songs with awkward lyrics?
I don't see how singing for an anime is a step below being in Hololive and needing to meet a stream quota for random games.

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>>17295166
Yeah, just like how the Kardashians get paid to model. Because they're good at it.
And how lilypichu must be a better artist and singer than anyone from Holo or Nijji, since she has more subs than all their past lives.
I think you're mistaking luck and marketing for talent dude.

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>>17294608
>>17294693
>>17294736
But what's the point? They will forever be in their shadow in a professional sense, and the taint of collabing with males hangs over them like a miasma.

>>17294883
It's better to be small with dignity that a lapdog stinking of penis.

>>17294899
Of course I won't Anon, no worries. I would never subject myself to the humiliation of supporting or watching females that collab with males.

[Anonymous No.]

Vox will beat Sana in subs very soon, but when you consider how little effort she puts in and that she's, by far, the most unpopular and filtering Hololive OF ALL TIME, it puts into perspective how small NijiEN really is. She has nearly 200k LESS subs than Fauna who's 2nd from bottom in a failed gen. Vox has no competition yet he's going to hover around Sana's numbers for a long time. NIjiEN are really screwed. Then consider the next male gen the female fanbase will flock to and then StarsEN kek. Niji lost.

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>>17295355

>singing for an anime a step below being in hololive

you obviously can't into basic comprehension. You're the guys who bitch about the brand buff holos get. She got that gig without it and somehow some rando niji mogs her because muh talent over branding? get real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291004
This was literally THE plan.

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>>17291362
Petra has slowly improved actually. Even I watch her from time to time now.

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>>17295506
>You're the guys who bitch about the brand buff holos get
I'm not. Are you capable of responding to my post without bringing up other anons crying? I am not talking about Hololive branding, or Nijisanji, I am talking about why their singing is being underutilized.

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>>17295355
>How the fuck does Himawari Honma have a major debut as a musician but Irys and Gura don't?
I mean, that's less singing talent and more Cover being too retarded and lazy to pursue proper record deals for them. They think it's better to publish under their own label than under Sony music or something for some reason.

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>>17291203
>Holostars
>buff

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>>17295410
It's a better metric than whatever the fuck your metric is.

also irys and gura (past lives) marketed themselves specifically in the niche and got more money and views for it. They just happened to choose hololive.

Comparing them to rich multimedia celeb families with big connections off the bat is pretty retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291004
First males on the market. This was to be expected. They are the male Myth. Hopefully they won't go to shit as fast as Myth did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17295645
That's my question at the end of the day, it's a fucking waste of talent

[Anonymous No.]

>>17295624
cover isn't a perfect company

And irrelevant.

The discussion was about muh talent in singing better than your talent in singing. (nijiEns vs irys and gura) Plain wrong and it's observable with data.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17295819
And I said that they're talented, stop being triggered. I swear I must be talking with women right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292290
>Niji has better gamers as well since they have more males

Niji females are much better gamers than Holo females too. Especially if you look at EN only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292513
Gura has a good voice but she's horribly amateurish and refuses to get better. Irys is a bit professional but her voice is nothing amazing. NijiEN definitely has better singers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17295911
I was talking with people who were saying nijien talents mog irys and gura when they're literal whos in comparison (I say this despite being a fan of millie post and pre-niji debut). Them being talented (a yes/no question) isn't even relevant to the points I was making.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292400
Nijinigger bros.. How will we ever recover?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17296181
Ok sis, sorry for butting into your conversation, I'll ask for moderator permission to post in this discord channel next time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17295410
I don't like to go into past life stuff very much, but gura has a proven track record of creating multiple large channels. You rarely see luck so repeatable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17296446
Yeah, Gura is smart, and good at identifying trends and marketing herself. But the talent we're talking about here is technically singing. And she's good at singing in a way that stimulates neckbeard neurons, but she's not objectively better than Enna.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292576
Its a pasta bronies use when they got no argument

[Anonymous No.]

>>17296612

again, your basis of 'better' amounts to 'because i said so'

[Anonymous No.]

>>17296181
>I was talking with people who were saying nijien talents mog irys and gura when they're literal whos in comparison
Holobronies really can't help themselves but bust a nut about muh numbers, every single time?
>Popularity impacts singing ability now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17296709
yes because your definition of singing ability isnt measurable and there's no inherent worth that's observable

it's just delusions and opinions

[Anonymous No.]

>>17296709
*ability to get paid for it and make money off it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17296692
Gura:
>poor range
>cannot sing difficult melodies
>cannot belt
>poor consistency
Enna
>doesn't have consistent pitch according to you but you've yet to provide a timestamp showing an example of this
>bad at marketing and did not have as many views in her past life
These arguments were already made earlier in the thread but you just ignored them and started going
>m-muh popularity
and then claimed nobody else had any proper basis for judgement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17295745
They will have no choice, another male wave is coming in less than two months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17296779
kek, you're objectively pathetic. How do Holobronies get so much joy over worthless numbers from someone completely unrelated to them? Do something with your life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17296928
> poor range
define
> cannot sing difficult melodies
define
> cannot belt
define 'belt' and why belting = better singer
> poor consistency
in what manner? define

Enna
>doesn't have consistent pitch according to you but you've yet to provide a timestamp showing an example of this
I'm not this guy
>bad at marketing and did not have as many views in her past life
or maybe people didn't find her noteworthy enough.

>muh popularity
once again a better metric because you can see whose work and talent are worth money and actual value

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291878
Based and correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>17296965
lol I'm subscribed to talents from both companies. I simply pointed out an objective truth and you all got your panties in a knot over this

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus Christ. I guess numberfags must have been the ones who were defending Mori all this time rumao

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297066
Also even if you do define it, that's *your* basis of a better singer, which amounts to a single opinion.

Popularity aggregates many opinions and produces results and actual value

[Anonymous No.]

But in reality, doesn't Vshojo talent actually mog both HoloEN and NijiEN?
Ironmouse is the best singer even though she's hooked onto a literal oxygen tank.
Froot is a great artist who is much more versatile than Ina. Sana may be comparable but she never fucking draws anyway.
Veibae is much better at marketing, taking advantage of a bigger streamer to boost her views, and Nyanners as well was comparable to Gura's past life before joining Vshojo.
Like in every single metric discussed, Vshojo is better, with a smaller talent pool to pull from. You guys are fighting for a far off second place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297301

actually needs meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297254
What are people like you doing on 4chan? Reddit is obviously far better

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291809
If that was so, why would those people need to join Hololive if their natural quality would garner success for themselves?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297066
Read the fucking thread. It's all been discussed before.
And it's hilarious if you're not the guy because that means retards like you two have a consistent spelling style.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297246
>Is it against Hololive?
>Must crush it?
>Is it against Holo JP?
>Must crush it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297066
You're talking to the guy who thinks the wavery consistency of enka songs is her displaying "bad pitch" he probably has never heard the originals and only has listened to bastardized remix snippets in his black people music
https://youtu.be/8wUHmhgubks
Fucking zoomers

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291203
Lol Miyabi still has trauma....

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297423
He's not talking to that guy. He probably is that guy, just pretending he's not that guy to save face because he knows he was wrong about Enna's singing ability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297379
no it really hasn't. >>17297254

Everything discussed in this thread amounts to 'because i said so' or 'because this is what i believe a good singer is'. It's a worthless metric

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297340
By what standard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297423
who's enna

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297508
Okay. I believe Calli is actually the best singer. Her song has the most views. She is better than Gura and Irys. She is better than Suisei. She is better than Chima. You cannot say that she isn't because your evaluations of her singing, aside from sheer popularity and only popularity, is a worthless metric.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297483
I don't care if anons think Enna sucks or is god or something I'm just annoyed that this board has 0 idea about Japanese shit despite watching Japanese companies

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297638
good. I'm getting through to you

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297576
It's more popular and gets more media attention. Obviously if 4chan was as good of a websitento discuss things as reddit it wouod have as many visitors and would also be more well known. The new Pokemon games are obviously also all amazing and among the best games of all time, otherwise they wouldn't sell so much

[Anonymous No.]

this is what organic growth looks like, without hired indian viewbotting

[Anonymous No.]

So basically, Holofag tried to claim Gura was better than Enna, realized he fucked up, tried to say popularity was the only metric for judgement because that's the only thing Holos had an upper hand on, and when called out on that, is now playing the
>I was only pretending to be a retard
card and acting like he wasn't samefagging the whole thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291203
>Holostars buff
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAh

Seriously how fucking retarded you people are? Nijisanji is the org where males thrive in JP and EN will not be different

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297839
They had lower initial subs as well compared to Obsydia. They'd have around 50k while Luxiem was sub 30k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17296939
>another male wave is coming in less than two months
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297864
Please don't call him a holofag. Niggers like him shit on Sora with no hesitation

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297864
>the only thing they had an upper hand on

No, they were also objectively better singers

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297997
I thought Sora was untouchable but apparently /#/fags dislike her

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297721
sure, if going for a better website was what i was going for i'd probably be there

but people get attached to objectively inferior things all the time. See this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>17295425
>Of course I won't Anon, no worries. I would never subject myself to the humiliation of supporting or watching females that collab with males.
I'll be forever grateful to Luxiem for weeding out the unicorns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298117
Of course they would. According to them she isn't "objectively" good
>>17298141
I just wanna hear it from you please say it. You think the recent pokemon games are objectively some of the best games ever created?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292019

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298117
/#/fags hate low numbers. They view 1.5k~6k as a low viewer count. I don't care, I'll enjoy both Sora and Pekora along with the Niji EN girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292400
>fortune telling
kek wtf

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298207
No, no. I think he means profit specifically is the biggest metric. So actually, the best game ever is whichever shitty mobile gacha game is topping the charts right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17294736
Yeah Nina even mentioned how she went from 15% female viewers to 26% after Luxiem

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298264
>I'll enjoy both Sora and Pekora
Based
>along with the Niji EN girls
Faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298207
why though? Does a game selling well really hurt you that much?

Pokemon isnt even the top gaming franchise in terms of money, that would be Mario.

You can dislike better things, doesn't make them any less successful

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298351
unironically true though

Seethe harder

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292321
Selen and Finana are nowhere near Ina's level. Ina is great, but there is still a large gap between her and better artists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298207
>the recent pokemon games are objectively some of the best games ever created
Not him but yeah. Pokemon Sword and Shield are among the greatest games ever made. You can have a different opinion and prefer objectively inferior games, but that doesn't change how great the Pokémon games are

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298475
no one in nijien though

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298405
I'll never be bound.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298351
Yes. Gacha games are the future, old man

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291752
Nah I'm gonna switch to the winning team instead. If you can't beat them join them

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292321
>Gura and Kronii streamed the most after Kiara of all people
>Sana 2 hours
THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING STATE OF HOLOEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298475
Honestly, I don't care which one it is, I hope one of the corps actually hires a god tier artist one day. Someone who actually knows what they're doing. I draw myself and was looking forward to Ina but had to dip once I saw the monstrosities she called 'gesture drawings'.

[Anonymous No.]

>numberfags unironically believe gacha games and capeshit are objectively the greatest things in their respective mediums

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298785
yes. and?

Maybe if you threw more money at things you cared about, your opinion would matter more

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291203
only females get the holo buff, just like males get the best niji buff

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292321
holy shit i never really put the numbers together like this. basically 15-20 hours of work a week and the holos are probably making six figures. that is the life right there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298719
Ina has never done gesture, they are essentially quick figure drawing. I don't see anyone that can draw at a high level to be saddled down by a silly vtuber corpo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17296181
Gura got popular doing meme songs and Irys did covers people thought are the official release. They are both decent singers but raw numbers are never a good measure of quality. Look at the trash dominating music charts today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291362
She has improved a lot. Her interactions with Enna and Mysta are peak content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299069
>Ina has never done gesture
The only streams I have ever watched from her were gesture drawings

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297066
Anon Gura herself complained few times how her recent karaokes were mediocre. She got worse since joining HoloEN not better. Probably since she gets money without even trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298826
>he's sticking with it
>>17299084
Nonono anon, according to numberfags arena of valor is the best game of all time

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292019
Selen got destroyed in one tournament where she was forced to play a role she's not used to. Almost won a second one and got #2 in the end. Did okay in third one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299210
There's a reason even Triple A companies are going into the predatory gacha market

You can whine all you want but your opinion means shit if it doesnt pay the bills

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299435
Anon they are doing this shit for years with lootboxes and other crap. The only difference is everybody jumping at open world anime games now because of Genshin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299435
Anon quick question how much money do you make?
I need to know how much you're paid in order to assign a value to your opinion.
Converted to USD please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299142
Yeah she lables it that, but this is a figure, not a gesture. She puts a heavy emphasis on the figure rather than the movement which is the purpose of gesture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299587
Compared to something like this. More ocused on movement, less focus on muscles and proportions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299540
>Because of Genshin
Yeah, popular games tend to move markets like that lol

>>17299544
you're underage

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299069
>she called 'gesture drawings'
I know. That's why I used quotes and shit.
She's good for being self taught and all but I'd love a chuuba who actually had proper fine arts education. But yeah, you're right that people of that skill level wouldn't want to dumb themselves down into an anime girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299724
>he can't answer
Kek. Guess we shouldn't be listening to the poorfag's opinion then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299435
Please tell me the objective worth of China among countries and economies and demographics, please type it out in words

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299808
you're listening pretty intently

[Anonymous No.]

>>17294461
Which anime?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299821
They may be morally apprehensive and cause lots of political issues but by objective standards in many categories China is one if the greatest or the best country on earth. That's just a fact, no you don't have to be a chink to admit that

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299821
shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17300005
Ohohoho

[Anonymous No.]

>>17300005
This thread makes more sense now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17300005
They are objectively a superpower and have surpassed the US in a lot of ways.

But like said earlier, you can dislike better things in favor of inferior products. You have a right to your opinion.

>>17299984
Babylon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291362
Pandering to JOPs so much probably earned her a lot of subscriptions from them that the other girls don't have besides Elira to a smaller extent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17297301
Meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>17300067
>>17300005
>>17300132

CHINKS HATE NIJISANJI
HOLOBROS BOW TO XI

[Anonymous No.]

>>17299732
I apologize for that, because those that lack knowledge in it are fooled into thinking the way Ina does gesturing is how it actually is performed like this guy: >>17299142 I'm not trying to fault this poster because he is assuming someone who does art professionally wouldn't mislabel what she does. I'm not going to hate on Ina as well because as you said she is more self taught so there is a chance in which she misunderstood certain exercises without someone that can give her feed back to guide her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17300321
Fuck off nigger. Numberfags don't have true allegiances, they think the lower performing holos are shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17300437
I like using numbers to measure success, but I also subscribe to the lower performers because I sincerely want them to succeed. Same with indies and smaller corpos.

What would I be called?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17300437
I don't get why numberfags even watch vtubers. Shouldn't they be watching Xqc or Pokimane or something? They're clearly better and more talented streamers by their metric.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17300005

[Anonymous No.]

>>17300646
people don't always act rationally regarding objective facts

They can prefer things, but it doesn't necessarily make their preference the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291203
>Holostars buff
idol company wouldnt like that anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17298498
this is your brain on holo
even if it's a shitpost you're making amazingly retarded takes just to "own the nijiniggers" which is so incredibly sad

[Anonymous No.]

I Wonder how many day Will /vt/sister bump this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>17300988
it's getting (you)'s so it's working

[Anonymous No.]

>>17301011
Say that to the 2 day old Mori threads, this one is almost at 300 posts and not even 4 hours old. Dumbass

[Anonymous No.]

>>17301011
Not a long time since it's nearing the bump limit because of plenty of discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17294078
Gura didn't have a successful singing channel, she had a successful meme channel. That's why her biggest vids aren't serious covers, it's all stuff like "I rapped a copypasta!" and "Oki Doki Boomer!" Those weren't getting views because of her musical talent.

[Anonymous No.]

On the bright side, at least we can put all the arguments to rest and both holofags and nijifags can unite over shared hatred of numberfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17301779
I still think many NijiENfags are retarded from how they behave on here, but they're not even close to numberschizos

[Anonymous No.]

>>17301594
>biggest vids are songs >biggest collab was a song >not musical talent

Her farewell karaoke also left an impression on her (1mil+) fans. In her current iteration she still gets numbers for singing

>a successful meme channel
You're only seeing what's left. She was also on twitch doing vtuber stuff like gaming and karaoke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17301779
>>17302047

nice opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292949
Love how everyone ignored this in their shitflinging

[Anonymous No.]

>>17301779
I may have disagreements with Holofags but I will always stand by their side when shitting on numberfaggots, their ilk that bleeds into the catalog and generals should be nuked

[Anonymous No.]

>>17302184
I think nobody even understands what he’s trying to say there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292949
nijifags can't answer this

its either mismanagement (given the sentiment surrounding money around here, not surprised if that's the case) or quite simply the talent objectively sucks

That's really it

[Anonymous No.]

This is what lack of streams does to a Holobrony, an entire thread of Holocope and praising numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292949
They were more famous(stupid word to use btw, AI is still more famous than Gura but far less successful) how does Hololive as a whole becoming more popular make them not good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17302545
Your post spacing is really obvious, chink cocksucker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17292318
>>17291968
Go and watch 10 minutes of any Nijisanji EN collab. Any. And then watch a single Hololive EN collab. The difference is like night and day. Nijisanji EN actually don't fucking shy away and acknowledge that they're CO-WORKERS. Not to mention they actually interact behind the scenes on discord. They aren't afraid of expressing themselves freely no matter how vulgar and out of line it seems. They're down to earth and aren't held back by idol mandates to appear as marketable to grown ass asian men who jerk off to idol doujins 24/7. Hololive EN feels absolutely fake and limited to the point it's hardly even fun to watch anymore. I can only take so much of Ame acting like a childish gremlin and Bae screaming YABAI to the point that I feel like I'm watching the vtuber equivalent Game Grumps with them trying to remain PG through and through.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17302727
Ai is not more 'famous' than Gura; Gura has bypassed her sub count and probably beats her viewer count total.
Niji not being able to deliver results on par with Hololive despite having 'better talent' makes them objectively inferior and brings the claim 'better talent' into question.

>>17302777
I'm the guy who said 'shit' lmao. China is a superpower, but I don't like them.

preferences aren't facts. facts aren't preferences

[Anonymous No.]

>>17303479
So true brother, baby shark is the best song ever made

[Anonymous No.]

>>17303479
AI is absolutely more "famous", which is why it's a stupid word to use since Gura is more successful. Led Zeppelin has more sales than Eminem, but Em is still more famous. I also don't understand why you would equate talent to popularity when talent is a vague term wheras popularity isn't. Explain your line of thinking please

[Anonymous No.]

>>17303688
you said it. The stuff nijisanji and hololive produces doesn't even come close

[Anonymous No.]

>>17303688
Why are they not acknowledged if they are better? Better chemistry, better gamers, better singers, better entertainers yet hololive keeps eating their ground in Japan and NijiEN is not even close to being what holoEN is

[Anonymous No.]

>>17303922
Idk man, why is Justin Bieber more popular than Radiohead? Would you say JB and his production team are more talented than Radiohead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17302064
>biggest vids are songs >not musical talent

Very little musical talent is required for "Tide Pod-chan Sings Gucci Gang". Her most popular cover was the "drunk" version of Country Roads (and yes, I'm considering the stuff she deleted too). Her biggest music vid ever is a piss-take rap. She consistently did better when her music had a "don't take this seriously" disclaimer, even among her fans. She was a great content creator making the most of her limited range, and she should be praised for that. But be real - she would not have had similar success as a serious utaite.

>In her current iteration she still gets numbers for singing
I thought we were talking about PL numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291004
the most impressive thing here is petra breaking 200k

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291362
One, she has the JP buff, and two, she plays very hard to a certain group of fans. Every cell in my body sings in joy when she gets bullied, doubly so when she acts smug first.

Not sure what's up with the NijiEN or Anya-Petra generals though, these people are fucking schizos and I wish they had nothing to do with my oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>17303922
So you admit that they're better and the only thing Hololive has on them is numbers? Glad we agree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17304114
Petra is entertaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17303852
>famous
>doesn't actually use view count or subscriber count or any metric relevant to fame/popularity
>makes arbitrary claim of led zeppelin v eminem
>uses sales
How did you also ascertain that eminem is 'more famous' than led zeppelin? You said he is more famous despite having lower sales? What is your basis for fame to compare with sales? fan count? polls? mentions in articles and books?

>gura more successful but not more famous

Arbitrary statement. I used subscriber and view count because I'm approximating current fans and reach. What's your basis for the 'more famous' statement on Ai?

I did not comment on 'more successful' because it isn't defined. More successful in what? Both these statements are arbitrary and illogical.

>talent is a vague term
exactly, but somehow it's 'better' or 'worse' according to some guy's opinion. Since it's subjective and vague as you put it, I measure by number of dudes' opinions regarding who they prefer.

Hololive wins out by a huge margin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17304498
Idk I use her streams to sleep and to throw her a pity+1 viewer

[Anonymous No.]

>>17304462
Anya-Petra general is due to most Niji ENs splintering off to other generals before they made more wave centric ones. Petra was the odd one out and grouping her with Anya made it so the thread would last longer between dead hours from either streamer. Melhomies have been pretty chill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17304558
a lot of words to say 'big number good oogabooga'

[Anonymous No.]

>>17304558
Ai has more reach in the news, merchandise, sponsorships, presence on social medias, and concert performances. I know all you numberfags look at are the funny grey numbers at the bottom of the screen but there's more than Youtube.
You don't even watch Hololive, I bet normal Holofags are ashamed to share a fanbase with you

[Anonymous No.]

>>17304643
It's weird for me because I actually quite dislike Anya despite my fondness for Petra. Sort of disallows me from participating in the usual stream commentary I do for other chuubas with generals. They've also developed a weird subculture where they all want to fuck each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17303993
That's a disingenuous comparison. They should at least be in equal grounds in terms of popularity, Nijisanji and hololive are much much closer than Radiohead and Justin Bieber
>>17304478
Reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.]

>>17304798
>they all want to fuck each other.
Wot. Only Niji EN talks about fucking Pentomos which I can understand hopping that thread for another one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291203
>holostars buff
what the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17304719
Numbers are what corps follow, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291203
Thanks for the laugh

[Anonymous No.]

>>17291203
People who are ???'ing at you are delusional neckbeards who've never had any friends/acquaintances who have been fujoshi.
They've been waiting a long time for male vtubers to watch. All they'd need is decently attractive voices and a willingness to pander with a bit (or a lot of) of homobait and you've got an instant recipe for success.
It helps that the Luxiem boys have great designs and are thematically matching enough to work in group fanarts, making pairings and such easier to establish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17304807
The fuck are you talking about, why is that disingenuous? Radiohead is simply far less popular than Bieber. Nijisanji is also (on a global scale) far less popular than hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>17305041
Read the second part of the sentence

[Anonymous No.]

>>17304807
What about my post is wrong? You have no rebuttal, you have actually been doubling down all thread about how Nijisanji has better x, y, and z, but Hololive has better numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17304769
Well at least you're going somewhere with your answer now.
>more reach in the news...
currently? or before 2020? Given Ai is about to retire?
Are we also including google search history? What range of fame are we talking here? All time? I made a statement on current events.

Don't really care what you think I watch. Stated facts and you're all getting twisted up.

>>17304719
>talent is better because i say so

[Anonymous No.]

>>17305282
>talent is better because i say so
Yes, that is generally how opinions work

[Anonymous No.]

>>17305179
Yeah it doesn't make sense to me because previously throughout the conversation you've been implying that Nijisanji's is basically completely ignored by people comlared to Hololive
>Why are they not acknowledged if they are better? Better chemistry, better gamers, better singers, better entertainers yet hololive keeps eating their ground in Japan and NijiEN is not even close to being what holoEN is
Yet now you claim that they are on equal grounds
>they should at least be in equal grounds in terms of popularity
There is a huge disparity in their popularity obviously, how can you ignore that

[Anonymous No.]

>Holobronies and Nijiniggers in one thread.
BRO LOOK AT HOW BIG OUR NUMBER IS!!!!! MOG MOG MOGGED!!!!
>Those very same retards later in the week.
Normies are invading our hobby and forcing it to change, how do we gatekeep effectively?

It's mind boggling reading this place sometimes, it's like you're proud of numbers one second and then hate the influx of people the next.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17305376
doesnt make them *objectively* fact

[Anonymous No.]

>>17305537
Numberfags are retards who don't represent the average opinion on here, nor are they in any way compatible with the classic 4chan mindset. They probably come from other websites

[Anonymous No.]

>>17304107
>very little musical talent
again with arbitrary statements. according to who?

and even then there were other memelords, copycats and vtubers (ame comes to mind) doing similar things, but she cornered the vtuber sing funny song niche with 1mil

>"dont take this seriously"
how does this diminish from the piece's musical merit or capacity to sing? are you sure you got that context correctly?

>not have success as serious...
how would you know? basis for this statement? by what measurement wouldn't she succeed?

>I thought we were talking about PL
True, but still relevant. She is still a singer after all.

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>>17305243
I put an IF
>>17305428
I meant equal grounds not in terms of popularity but in potential for growth

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>>17296041
Delusional and seething.

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>>17305537
It's mindboggling that you think anons are believing those two things at the same time. It's mindboggling that all across this retarded containment board, anons will see posts and think they know the intention and posting history of everyone present.

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>>17306041
Why would Radiohead not have had the same growth potential as Justin Bieber? He was just a kid doing song covers on Youtube. In fact shouldn't that speak even more to his talent? After all Radiohead are all highly trained musicians who could make all kinds of music whereas Bieber was just some kid from Canada

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>>17306144
>I-It's not me I swear
Uh huh

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>>17305676
that people put so much importance in 'average opinion' on an anon board is retarded

moreso for fags who think they have a handle on it

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>>17304478
anon cannot into rhetoricals and is probably an esl

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>>17306017
>again with arbitrary statements. according to who?
Look up the term "novelty song".

>by what measurement wouldn't she succeed?
By the measurement I already brought up: her biggest successes have been novelty songs, and by a wide margin.

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>>17306383
Yes anon, every person here who says they want to gatekeep vtubing also want everyone to have 1 million live viewers.

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>>17301779
>>17302195
Lol holofags and numberfags are one and the same. Remember when YouTube was buggy they literally weren't posting about anything else. They constantly have to justify watching by looking at the big grey number because frankly nothing interesting is going on most of the times

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>>17306783
I actually have had conversations with Holofags who are pissed off at their oshis being shit on in that thread. You know, people who actually watch streams and are posting about them alone in their generals while everyone else is obsessing over the number. Not everyone is the same, this is not a hivemind

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>>17306241
>Why would Radiohead not have had the same growth potential as Justin Bieber?
Because they do different type of music and pop music is much more popular

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>>17306609
>novelty song
doesn't address how it doesn't 'need much musical talent'.
Career musicians have made these in the professional sense. Would you say Weird Al Yankovic doesn't have much musical talent?

everything about this statement is subjective

>By the measurement I already brought up:
You can't become successful singing novelty songs as an utaite? I seem to remember a lot of jp meme songs that actually put indies on the map. (iosys, hyadain, etc)

A lot of these are just subjective statements being posited as fact.

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>>17306115
You have no argument. Gura didn't have a good karaoke in months.

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>>17307285
the argument is the nijiens are shit compared to them evidenced by lack of interest

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>>17307484
The one you made up in your head right?

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>>17306955
Ok then, other Vtubers besides Hololive do a different type of Vtubing and the tight-knit idol group concept is much more popular than doing variety entertainment. So they never had the same growth potential

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>>17308047
They both do variety entertainment. The idol stuff is the background. They always had the same growth potential

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>>17308337
Do you even watch Hololive? The way the interact with each other and how close they all are, plus also the fact that they all do idol stuff and the very infrequent collaborations with men and the fact that it's all girls are huge differentiating factors compared to most other Vtubers. Minecraft and the interactions in there, all the concerts, all the songs. Hololive is not just like any other Vtuber company.

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>>17308711
>how close they all are
lol
take a look about what language this thread is about before you go and use JP in this argument

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>>17297301
Vshouho has better average view nowaday. They are inclining hard

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>>17303124
>They aren't afraid of expressing themselves freely no matter how vulgar and out of line it seems. They're down to earth and aren't held back by idol mandates to appear as marketable to grown ass asian men who jerk off to idol doujins 24/7.
Exactly. That's precisely why it's a waste of time to watch them. It's just "Sex & the City" in vtuber form. I don't want "realism," I want beautiful fantasies.

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>>17304114
She is more watchable nowaday

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>>17308944
EN would be nothing without JP

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>>17308711
There are companies that are trying to imitate what hololive did but they are not succeeding. Hololive have quality talents.
Nijisanji could've grown the same but they didn't because they lack in the quality department, it's not the idol stuff that did hololive grow. That's what I'm trying to say.

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>>17309572
>that did hololive grow
Made*

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>>17305537
There was a time when people enjoying every Vtuber groups and talking with each other about them with minimum tribalnigger but that time was long gone

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>>17309157
So you want your oshis to be held back just because "muh immersion".

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>>17309725
They aren't being held back. It's about being an artist and committing to the craft. Anyone can be a whore.

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>>17309857
They're being held back by idol mandates.
>No political talk at all even it's for comedic purposes
>No banter among co-workers
>No talking about sex and/or gore what so ever even if it's from a fucking video game
>No talking about religion, history, or other countries as to avoid yabs
Yeah no fuck that noise.

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>>17310184
I don't want any of that in vtubing, and judging from your tastes vtubing isn't even for you. Why are you even here?

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>>17310268
Mumei did. You know what Management did? They said no. Because something about the history of potatoes being yabai. She wanted to be a history teacher and Cover said no.

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>>17295425
> I would never subject myself to the humiliation of supporting or watching females that collab with males.
Based

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>>17309572
The other companies that are doing what Hololive does probably aren't as good at it or they are too late to the game. How do you know the idol stuff didn't make Hololive huge? You really think if someone like Rushia acted much more crudely didn't appeal to her male fans and frequently interacted with men that she would be this popular? I can't say anything with 100% certainty about that myself, but neither can you or anyone else.