3D models usage should be mandatory

[Anonymous No.]

2D is cool and stuff, but when you have your hands on a decent 3D model, i'd rather see it

Lamy is just one example

[Anonymous No.]

>>16271769
I mean for gen0 it basically is, I understand that the load on a PC is rough unless you are an extremist and have the money to blow like on dual 3090s etc. but for Zatsudan and SC reading you're 100% correct.

Everyone baring EN and ID have them (Holox) and they really do convey better than live2D most importantly is body language like how Marine seems to get excited and move back and forward a lot when talking to chat or how when Miko laughs really hard she leans back shit you would miss out on with live2d

[Anonymous No.]

>>16271769
Why doesn't Gura ever use her 3D model?

[Anonymous No.]

still can't believe some indies have 3d models while holoen doesn't

[Anonymous No.]

Whenever Miko turned her head at Korone in the Mikorone stream.

[Anonymous No.]

Depends on the model. For someone like Korone, I prefer the 3d model, but Subaru and Watame have bad 3d models and should stick to 2d.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16273650
>Watame have bad 3d
You're a fool, Watame's 3D streams are a fucking goldmine, i'd agree on Subaru if for the fact that she is a great show woman and always emotes very well in 3D (body)

[Anonymous No.]

They're often criticized but I like Korone and Watame models

But yeah, the key word here is "decent", if its a shitty model then yeah, not worth it
But I wish they were more used and more worked on to be used in more contexts, imo its part of why Miko is top tier

[Supernenechi No.]

WAMY

[Anonymous No.]

>>16271769
Nah, strongly prefer 2D.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16271769

no, 3d sucks and looks cheap

[Anonymous No.]

It depends on circumstance and how you're gonna use it. For someone like Ange who gestures a lot with her body it's good to use during zatsudans, but that's not the case with everyone. If you're not super emotive you might as well make use of the outfit variety of a 2d avatar

[Anonymous No.]

>>16273295
>most importantly is body language like how Marine seems to get excited and move back and forward a lot when talking to chat or how when Miko laughs really hard she leans back

if I cared about body language i'd thirst after real life women. chuubas are anime characters and they should remain 2d.

[Anonymous No.]

>love my chuuba with a cute 2d model
>she switches to 3d model
>It looks offputting but she is my love so i put up with it for now
>surely she will go back to using a 2d model eventually
>enough time passes
>start to like the 3d model because i am used to it now
amazing how easy it is to convince people to like downgraded soulless designs.

[Anonymous No.]

Miko is the main one who makes the best use of 3D because she’ll do all that shit where she will turn around to drive cars or watch TV or whatever

[Anonymous No.]

>>16273854
NTA but I agree that Watame has a bad 3d model. A lot of Watame's expressiveness is just lost in 3d, particularly her home 3d.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16275711
Pekora's Home3D is even worse.
Before Cover tries to force 3D, maybe they could work on getting 2D right first? I still can't believe how bad their mouth tracking is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16276453
>I still can't believe how bad their mouth tracking is
if I cared about mouth tracking, i'd thirst after real life women. chuubas are anime characters and anime girl only need to open their mouth wide enough to speak

[Anonymous No.]

>>16273482
Kind of crazy that fucking Snuffy has like 3 of them with variations and full proper hand tracking and not one person in HoloEN has one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16276609
Good for you, buddy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16276610
Hololive is a joke of a company

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>>16276610
im sure myth`s models were finished ages ago, they just wont reveal them yet because m-muh japan 3d debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>16276453
I think a lot of anons don't know what they really want, like it's funny seeing people complain about petty stuff but then I always see people saying how Artgun's 3D models are "uncanny valley" and gross despite being more technical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16271769
I prefer Lamy’s 2D, and just 2Ds in general desu

[Anonymous No.]

OP is right. Live2D is old and busted. Live3D is the future.

At least until holographic hard light Live4D comes out and let's you feel up the avatar.

I'm holding out for Live5D which actually allows the vtuber to feel what the viewers' are collectively doing, which will give rise to the gangbang meta. What a time it'll be to be alive. Kids in the future will have no idea how bad we had it back in these days.

[Anonymous No.]

As a VTuber boomer, Live2D was an overall downgrade for the whole industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16276609
>I
if I cared about mouth tracking, i'd thirst after real life women. chuubas are anime characters and anime girl only need to open their mouth wide enough to speak
Watame's 2D often doesn't even do that.
I often forget about it or don't notice, and then I watch non-corp vtubers briefly and realize how much more immersive it feels when the mouth matches the voice. I don't want Cover to do it better because it would make their 2D models look like 3D women. I want Cover to do it better so that I feel more connected with my oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16276609 #
>If I cared about mouth tracking, i'd thirst after real life women. chuubas are anime characters and anime girl only need to open their mouth wide enough to speak
Watame's 2D often doesn't even do that.
I often forget about it or don't notice, and then I watch non-corp vtubers briefly and realize how much more immersive it feels when the mouth matches the voice. I don't want Cover to do it better because it would make their 2D models look like 3D women. I want Cover to do it better so that I feel more connected with my oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16276864
>>16276610
>>16273482
Stop talking to yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>16277234
If the Japanese side of the industry innovated into existence the standard for and means to produce/animate high quality home Live3D models and assets with minimal tech investment, that'd revolutionize vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16277297
Schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>16275711
Watame's 3D is good you stupid fag.
It's just that her 2D is REALLY good.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lOiXryhuJE

[Anonymous No.]

look at the difference, 3D is clearly superior when done right

[Anonymous No.]

>>16271769
All that matters to me is if the eyes have the uncanny "looks actually alive" vibe

[Anonymous No.]

>>16271769
3D > 2D

[Anonymous No.]

>>16271769
2D > 3D

[Anonymous No.]

>>16271769
3D is better, but 2D is more convenient. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16282431

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>>16291259
Ksons rig is so fucking good

[Anonymous No.]

I believe all EN wants to be able to use their 3D models, especially Amelia.

But again there's Hololive: "nooo, you all need to come to japan to make a special event"

[Anonymous No.]

>>16291259
>>16291327
ples andastan small company

[Anonymous No.]

>>16277135
it lowered the bar for entry so that many talents could get into vtubing, but technically l2d is backward.
so many vtubers would incline hugely with a 3d model

[Anonymous No.]

>>16277135
>>16291944
You are so fucking wrong. Without live2d every new vtuber would be using a generic look-alike vroid model.

[Anonymous No.]

HolEN doesn't want 3D besides Cali and Maybe Kiara. Ina and Watson haven't shown interest and Gura hasn't said one way or another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16292822
How to be able to tell someone never watched EN? This one makes it obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16291944
are people really this retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16292913
Forget watching EN that guy doesnt even know Japan exists as a country