/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

I'm tired of seeing western Vtubers think being a Vtuber is just another method of being a camgirl.

>Great now i can make money from simps, but i dont have to maintain my appearance!

Not realizing that being a Vtuber, a virtual IDOL requires performing, performing as a character, and upholding a certain image.
I can guarantee the vast majority of Vtubers do not know what idol culture is, and if they do, probably hate it.

its a shame that Western Vtuber "scene" in particular is being flooded with people who just think all you need is an anime avatar to be successful, and you can continue on with your abhorrent personality.

With that said Nene and Korone are the best. :)

[Anonymous No.]

Western people not understanding Japanese culture, what else is new?

[Anonymous No.]

I agree with them playing characters being important but the farther from the idol persona the better.

[Anonymous No.]

Just ignore western vtubers, it's not like they would be able to get into your beloved Whore-o-live without knowing how to act like "proper" idols.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm tired of seeing holofags thinking being a vtuber is just another method of being an idol.

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>>1608211
Yeah, I can't stand any of the EN Vtubers. They completely miss the point of being an anime girl. If you watch them cause they speak English, just go watch Pikamee instead, cause she's the real deal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1608211
tldr of op: you need charisma, something probably no one on this board has
thanks for coming to his TED Talk

[Anonymous No.]

>>1608501
The only ones with an idol persona are Sora, Azki and Suisei, though. All the others are anime girls, which is fine and what the EN Holos fail to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1608575
i heard pikamee reads Comic LO is that true?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1608554
The entire VTuber concept is heavily influenced by Japanese idol culture. It's a mashup of Vocaloid culture, seiyuu idol culture, utaite culture, and bits and pieces of Japanese streaming culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1608211
>I'm tired of seeing western Vtubers think being a Vtuber is just another method of being a camgirl.
Why?
>Not realizing that being a Vtuber, a virtual IDOL requires performing, performing as a character, and upholding a certain image.
Why?
>I can guarantee the vast majority of Vtubers do not know what idol culture is, and if they do, probably hate it.
So what?
>its a shame that Western Vtuber "scene" in particular is being flooded with people who just think all you need is an anime avatar to be successful
Why?
You've utterly failed to state your case.

[Anonymous No.]

When you watch a vtuber you dont want to hear about vaginal discharge or some freakzoid mentally ill nonsense. You watch Vtubers to relax, and unfortunately western women really dont "get it" they dont "get" hostess club or idol type "relaxation experiences"

[Anonymous No.]

>>1608699
>So what?

Its exactly this attitude that is the problem with western vtubers.
>So what? why do i have to act like an anime girl? Why do i have to be "cute" for you? Why do i have to do anything?
At that point why even be a Vtuber.. oh right, money

[Anonymous No.]

>>1608700
Haachama just sniffing her feet and eating sausage dipped in chocolate

[Anonymous No.]

>>1608632
She does, yes:
https://twitter.com/amanopikamee/status/1272509522385371136?s=20

[Anonymous No.]

>>1608777
haachama is mentally retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>1608857
yo... based?

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>>1608773
>At that point why even be a Vtuber
Why not?
You're still not convincing me that people streaming with anime avatars is a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1608901
Yeah, she's the best:
https://youtu.be/ukQC5o350_I?t=1336

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any noteworthy western vtubers that aren't either "ironic weebs" or trend chasers? I used to think Natsumi Moe was emblematic of ironic weeb culture, but watching one of her recent videos she's actually a lot more genuine than most of the new generation of western vtubers.

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>>1608211
>I can guarantee the vast majority of Vtubers do not know what idol culture is, and if they do, probably hate it.
I know you're making this thread to bait replies but there's nothing wrong with hating idol culture.

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>>1608948
There's nothing wrong with hating idol culture indeed, except when you make idol culture your fucking work. That's the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1608916
because the entire concept that its merely "just an avatar" is incorrect. do you know what an idol is?.

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>>1608948
Yeah let me just be an idol but do nothing that idols do and just take a giant shit on the entire thing.
hating idols is cool and all but if youre an idol, you should be expected to perform a character, be entertaining in a not annoying way, etc

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>>1608978
OK, we can clear everything up then by fixing your OP then
>I'm tired of seeing western Vtubers think being an idol is just another method of being a camgirl.
Otherwise I don't see where being a vtuber requires being an idol, nor being a vtuber fan requires being an idol chaser.

[Anonymous No.]

I mean, "idol culture" doesn't exist in the West to begin with, and with the explosion of Vtubers and the ease of the tech becoming more accessible, it very much is an easy way for girls (and some guys) who want to stream and make money that way but not have to be on camera because they don't have the looks to be a big popular model or whatever, to do just that.

Like anything, the first forays into the space generally require money and backing, hence they tend to be carefully managed and produced, but as it becomes more accessible, anyone can do it and the overall quality takes a nosedive.

This is sort of a side tangent, but I think it's related; I used to stream/produce content in the TTRPG space for a while. When I got into it, it was relatively new and hadn't blown up yet, and so while there were some streams and lots of podcasts, most of it was unknown. Over the next year or so, more and more people saw it being a thing, they saw people doing and they said "Hey, they're streaming and it looks easy. I have friends, we're funny. We should start streaming and we'll be poplar too!" and so there was a massive flood of low-effort podcasts and channels popping up everywhere. Hundreds, thousands of them, most with no production value, shit content, no charisma, just really junk stuff saturating the market.

Most of those eventually died off, but a lot of stand-out personalities emerged from the flood, and they were the ones with the charisma and social media presence and the "it" factor (mostly, skin color) to get picked up by more professional outfits, and over time all of the shit, low-effort garbage gets drowned out and overshadowed by more and more professional outfits with money and production and backing behind them. And now, if you look, there's still a few small streams and shit kicking around, but they're overwhelmingly buried by companies investing in more polished, more marketable mass-appeal content.

I say all of this because I think Vtubers will go the same way. It's easy now, and anyone can do it and we'll be flooded with thousands of low-effort Vtubers scrambling to make a spot for themselves, and over time most will die off or leave, and the better ones will gradually gravitate together or be bought up by big money companies and turned into more marketable content. It's absolutely going to happen.

[Anonymous No.]

FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE DOOOOOLLLLLLAAARRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Anonymous No.]

>>1608978
>because the entire concept that its merely "just an avatar" is incorrect. do you know what an idol is?.
You ARE aware that you don't have to be a Japanese girl pretending to be a "kawaii pure idol" in order to stream with a cartoon instead of a webcam, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1609046
what do you have against purity? does it bother you?

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>>1608968
>>1609014
You don't have to be an idol to be a vtuber. Okayu explicitly said she didn't want to be an idol when she started, she just wanted to stream video games. She ended up enjoying the singing role and all but still.

[Anonymous No.]

Idol culture is trash, I agree that vtubers should try to play a character at least somewhat, but fuck off with that idol shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1609080
Yes. A white canvas exists to be painted on, not to be admired.

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>>1609080
you ask that as if it isn't far weirder to require a girl to put on some fake persona to cater to your purity fetish than being able to just enjoy watching soem girl who likes drawing on stream with a vroid

[Anonymous No.]

Why is nobody pointing out the obvious fact that not every vtuber is an idol? Even in Japan it's only Hololive that (prominently) does that. Nijisanji and VOMS are not marketed as idols at all. I hate you faggots who think everyone should act like a Hololive member or that it's necessary to be a Vtuber.

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>>1609113
Okayu is literally an anime girl. She just doesn't even need to act to be one.

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>>1609175
Why don't you read the fucking thread?
>>1608622

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>>1609179
So it's the same as regular streamers. No need to put on an act, if you have a good personality and voice you'll succeed.

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>>1609170
ina is okay. I GUESS

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>>1609205
She doesn't need to put on an act because she's a living anime girl, which is the entire point. A western roastie can't just put on an anime avatar and call it a day, cause they still are western roasties.

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>>1608655
Clearly you weren't around when virtual obaa-chan and the nojya loli were top vtubers. Acting like an idol isn't inherent to vtubing at all.

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>>1609204
Claiming that Hololive isn't comprised of idols beyond those members is wrong, though. That's a Reddit meme. They're all significantly more sanitized than your average Nijisanji liver, yes including talents like Marine and Matsuri.

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>>1608211
They're all just YouTubers talking through a cartoon, it's not as special as you're making it out to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1609258
Even Haachama-chama?

[Anonymous No.]

there was a really cute vtuber that used to play a lot of apex legends but stopped streaming because she wasnt getting enough viewers.

If she did other shit besides play Apex i think she would have gotten more engagement. honestly.

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>>1608211
>I'm tired of seeing western Vtubers
Could end it there, and i'd agree with some exceptions. I don't think vtubers need to be idols, but the fact that western chuubas have so little similarities to even male Japanese chuubas is enough to be a turn off. Just looking at hololive EN and you can see how vtubing with a popular company can accelerate your career just by playing their character

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>>1609273
If i want to watch the stream of a girl with a shitty roastie personality, id go on Twitch and just watch any of the countless female streamers.

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>>1608211
>Vtuber = Virtual IDOL
The fuck gave you that idea?

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>>1609302
Yes, even Chammers. Hell she's getting even *more* sanitized after Cover's new rules. Call me when Hololive has a guy dressed as a walking gay joke talking about shoving dildos up his ass and girls talking about liking to be choked during sex like Nijisanji.

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>>1609325
you've had a hard life huh

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>>1609325
> If i want to
Nobody gives a shit what you want, dude. Watch the ones that cater to you, don't bitch about the ones that don't.

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>>1608978
>do you know what an idol is?
Do you? It's not a vtuber by default, that's for sure. Lurk for 1 million years. Never has been. If you hate people who stray from the idol image then you should become an anti for Sara Hoshikawa and Gundou Mirei, they're whores.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1609258
>>1609341
Which still doesn't mean they're idols. Being an idol means acting by the precept of being seiso, and only those 3 could claim to be like that. Just because some of the Nijis act like tryhard degenerates doesn't mean the Holos don't constantly swear like sailors or act like if they were constantly in heat.

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>>1609325
That's what I'm saying though. The best vtubers out there are people with talent or at least a fun personality. The avatar itself only gets you so far. It's the actual person behind the avatar that matters. The avatar is only a gimmick at the end of the day.

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>>1609229
>these japanese women are just like my anime
Been a long time since i've seen one of you in the wild

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>>1609363
I dont give a shit about what you want either, so ill continue bitching :)

>>1609423
This is true, once this "gold rush" is over the decent ones will rise to the top.

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>>1609413
>Being an idol means acting by the precept of being seiso
Anon, this is a Reddit meme too. In Japan they call people who do softcore porn "gravure idols", it's not as seiso defined a term as you think. Look at any underground idol threads on /jp/ too, those girls are considered idols and they're far more raunchy than your average Hololiver. The idea of an idol is striving to be seiso, not acting like one by default. Hololive is marketed as an idol group and all the members fall under this label regardless of how they act. Holos like Amelia actually follow the idol image that companies strive to produce very closely - a plain girl doing her best to become something bigger than herself. That's how they rope in men, they sell the idea that their paypigs are helping them achieve their dreams. I mean just google how they market traditional idol groups even, it's the same idea.

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>>1609471
If only he knew the secret trick, say desu enough times and you'll turn japanese like those pure virginal foreign women

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>>1608211
its just localised. so its just your "vtuber culture". also nijisanji isnt really based on idol culture. ive said this a dozen times, but western vtubers never give a fuck about voice acting or playing a unique character, while its the most important thing of all in japan.

the western vtuber culture is very different from japanese

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>>1609498
>The idea of an idol is striving to be seiso
So literally not a single one of them other than Sora, Azki and Suisei. Gotcha.

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>>1609471
But they literally are? I guess you don't watch anime and you think there's only the classic stereotypes, but in reality there's a lot of very different anime with a lot of different anime girls in them.

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>>1609491
>This is true, once this "gold rush" is over the decent ones will rise to the top.
I predict you're going to be very disappointed how many of those won't meet your standard, anon

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>>1609526
Yes, and every single Hololive girl strives to be seiso in a sense. Just google this shit man.

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>>1609498
Based idolchad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1609560
Goggle what, your headcanon fanfics about them? How about you watch them in action instead?

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>>1609518
>its just your "vtuber culture"

it feels like being handed a plate of shit and being told you have to eat it.

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>>1609592
Google what being an idol means and what it encompasses. Also just understand that they consider themselves idols and are marketed as such and are viewed by their fans that aren't Redditors as idols and not "le epic comedians xD" for a reason. Read the official YouTube page description that explicitly says it's an idol group. Stop falling for memes.

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>>1608211
seethe idolfag

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>>1609471
Anon, have you never met a Japanese person? Or do you only watch shonen fantasy anime? Japanese people are very similar to anime and manga characters, many of which draw heavily from the author/artists experiences growing up and are influenced by the real people they've met. I've met my share of asian women who resemble anime characters, but of course the "pure perfect asian virgin wife" is an exaggeration.

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>>1609545
if you find the disgusting behavior of a twitch camgirl cute, you are beyond disgusting and your opinion means nothing to me.

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>>1609670
Who says it's my opinion? And your opinion means nothing to anyone either. What matters is the popularity of the people you hate growing and continuing to grow because western culture laughs at idolfaggotry. You don't have to like it and neither do I, but that's the reality of it. What good is there being mad about it?

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>>1609700
its a shame westerners cannot have anything decent.

[Anonymous No.]

God I fucking hope NijiEN succeeds so the vtuber=idol meme dies.

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>>1609700
>popularity matters
>what's good is what's popular
I'm afraid this zoomer mindset means your autism is terminal.

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>>1609946
No what's popular is popular. "Rising to the top" doesn't mean something's good, it means it's widely popular.

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>>1608211
>>1608655
>>1608968
>>1608978
>>1609014
>muh idols
Most non-Holo vtubers aren't idols and even most Holos spend a lot time making fun of stuff like "seiso". Motherfuckers will only watch Hololive and then think everyone has to be like them

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>>1609947
To be honest I think really the only major difference between Nijisanji and Hololive when it comes to being "idols" for the most part is just the way they market themselves and the attitudes of the fans and performers themselves to using that title. They do a lot of the same stuff, ignoring some outliers in Nijisanji, and the fans even grow similar attachments but the Nijisanji side mostly seem to be tongue in cheek about it or reject the label unless its at some big live concert or some particularly touching moment involving idol like activities. Where are most of the Hololive girls regardless of how they act will take the endeavour of being an idol seriously.

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>>1608575
What is the point of being anime girl? You stupid weeb...

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>>1608211
>I'm tired of seeing western Vtubers think being a Vtuber is just another method of being a camgirl.
It isn't?

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>>1610167
right but it doeasnt make western vtubers look the same as jp vtubers. western vutbers dont play a character and voice act.

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>>1608575
>t. EOP clipfag

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>>1611953
Kiara plays more of a character than half the JPs.

[Anonymous No.]

>le west >le west >le west >le west >le west >le west >le west >le west >le west >le west >le west >le west >le west >le west >le west
Why can't say it like it is? It is fucking all protestant countries. Le west this, le west that when it is obvious that is it the american mindset of me me and me? Stop trying to make us all look bad with your stupid self flaggelation. Not all countries or viewers are like that. Americans, south americans, germans and brits can't live without external attention which is why they are extremelt annoying in the fucking chats. The spanish community knows full well the difference between spanish viewers and latino viewers because latinos keep trying to attracts attention while the spanish community cringes in disgust of how bad they will think of them, in a stupid self flaggelating way. Tell it like it is: Americans, Germans, South Americans, Brits and Filipinos act like animals with constant need of validation. Shut the fuck up with this >le west mindset. I've been fucking tired of this belief for years. Specially with the japanese who actually believe this crap.

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>>1609113
there are western vtubers that literally call themselves idols while being the furthest thing from idols they could possibly be

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>>1615265
le hurt eurocuck

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>>1608861
That's part of the reason she is so lovable

[Anonymous No.]

I'd say the vast majority of western vtubers are socially awkward weirdos who's only way with interacting with most people is through a persona or avatar. And plenty of Japanese Indies like that aside from the idol wannabes.

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>>1615541
I accept your defeat.

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>>1615265
based

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>>1611891
Not being a disgusting roastie, you fucking cuck.

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>>1611891
ever role played? if you say a retarded shit like "cringe" you never got it in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

op is retarded.

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>>1608575
But i like the ones that are more "real" than just a characters that is why i like Mori out of all Holos.

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>>1629588
Most of the JP Chuubas are pretty much real though, at most you have them changing their voice tone a bit, but even exaggerated ones like Pekora are 100% real. All she does is to add peko to her speech, as you can see by the fact that a lot of times she forgets to do that, and more importantly when she talks to her mom on stream and her mom makes fun of her because of the peko, but she doesn't bat an eyelid when it comes to her voice, her speech and her laugh.