/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Even after over a year we still don't have any EN gfe girls in Hololive.
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
because they are SJW whores. example Kiara

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
Tenchou is gfe because she keeps the voices at bay! hope this helps

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032974
>>16033026
Duality of man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
We have Mori and Amelia with the realistic GFEs. Even if they never acknowledge what they are doing

Also Fauna is doing a really good GFE for her members

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033114
Sorry but none of them are doing gfe.
Mori and Amelia are anti gfe if anything.
And Fauna's more of a motherly thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
We have literally every color of Lamy. Come home EOP man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033172
>And Fauna's more of a motherly thing.
This is what cucklings say to cope with Eddie blowing her back out everyday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033423
i'm not a sapling that's just what i've been told when i've talked to them

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033423
fauna doesn't do gfe anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033172
>Mori and Amelia are anti gfe if anything
That's what makes them the realistic GFE. It's some good shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033114
Woman on the internet exists

"OMG ITS GFE!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033560
Why would you want realism though?
Get an actual girlfriend if you want that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925

[Anonymous No.]

grew too fast and got too much attention, especially from schizos.
ENs are not as desperate for international streaming fame as the JPs are/were.
might get one by the third or fourth EN gen, but also holoEN might already have distinguished itself too much as not catering to that audience by that point.
>>16033560
you are a retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
kiara is GFE, she actually used to be professional and can maintain the kayfabe pretty well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
They hire lazy fucks that don't have to try for numbers and have no ambition. If they hired sweaty numberfags you'd get at least one GFE EN angling for SC maximization.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
Why does everyone ignore her

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033767
We know you fucks are lying, Kiara tried to start doing it early on but KFP are bunch of faggots and friendzoned her. Sadly EN is full of normalfags that will sandbag things like this, making it hard for anyone to get started doing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033644
>>16033664
>>16033767
KFP no offense but you need to accept that Kiara is not gfe.
I can't fall for a girl that talks about hanging out with her friends boyfriends and mentions hanging out with her guy friends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033644
>>16033767
Honestly I watched her a bunch early and I remember she set pretty firm boundaries with her audience which I respected but the boundary was also pretty clearly set on the far side of GFE -- she wouldn't do that to or for her audience. It wouldn't surprise me if that's changed but also she streams at a time I can't watch, regardless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033934
from what little i've seen of her she seems more like a close friend for her viewers, just one who overshares some stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033896
EN 2views have the most virgin filled parasocial chats. Holos just attract normalfags

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
Because it's cringey. It's like asking why English speakers don't talk like anime characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033896
>KFP are bunch of faggots and friendzoned her
I can't really blame kfp since she went insanely hard on the whole takamori thing early on.
If she wanted to be gfe she messed up from the start.

[Anonymous No.]

No one ITT watches Kiara

[Anonymous No.]

>>16034138
does anyone in the kfp thread watch her

[Anonymous No.]

>>16034071
>Because it's cringey
so are vtubers but that doesn't stop you from watching them

[Anonymous No.]

>>16034138
why would i?
she's not gfe

[Anonymous No.]

Come home sapling

[Anonymous No.]

there are great EN indie and smaller corpo chuubas doing gfe, it's just they aren't recruited to Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>16034870
Get that whore out of my sight

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033915
>he says will posting Fubuki "we are just friends but watch only me" Shirakami
>>16032925
Saw a rrat that said Fauna is breaking up with Eddy. If that's true, I expect her to go full mommy gf(e).

[Anonymous No.]

>>16034870
cucked choice, have some self respect

[Anonymous No.]

>>16034991
I am currently parasocial with Eddy so i would anti Fauna for breaking his heart

[Anonymous No.]

>>16035071
>>16034981
>Wants GFE
>Refuses the best choice because of some rrat from ages ago that wasn't even proven
Lmfao enjoy your boogymen

[Anonymous No.]

Mori is literally doing GFE ASMR right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL2iruXhjeM

[Anonymous No.]

>>16035213
and then she'll go to her TT friends and make fun of your comments with them.
she literally promised you guys that

[Anonymous No.]

>>16035212
I wouldn't want even to risk it, so no thanks
better safe than sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>16035213
every chuuba indulges into GFE from time to time, but I think it is obvious that isn't Mori's main appeal

[Anonymous No.]

>>16035196
Ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033644
The first bullet point is as fake as the next 2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033896
>>16033915
>>16033934
Not a KFP, only started watching her recently. I don't really watch holoEN all that much, but Kiara just seemed like the most gfe out of the bunch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16034870
>>16035212
why are cucklings like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16036062
that isn't a high bar

[Anonymous No.]

>>16036589
Why are faggots like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
Why do people care about "GFE" so much? if you're that pathetic just go the OF or those hotline where you call a woman, or better yet clean yourself up and get a real woman

I don't need VTubers to do GFE, there's nothing wrong with the ones that do but the unicorns and simps that feel they "need" it from them are pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
Because they're in it for the money, which comes easily by virtue of being in a larger market and having first mover advantage. Not a single one of them has ever even done a shower stream.

And even if they did, I still wouldn't watch it because I'm not a streamer, and because of that I don't have a soundproof room, which I'd need to relax and enjoy cute gfe shower time without running the risk of getting judgmental looks from anyone who overhears.

Population density was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

I still can't grasp the essence of GFE and have trouble pointing it out without first being told(Rushia). I just know that Kiara makes me feel like I'm being hugged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033560
why are anons such massive woman-hating faggots

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041037
Incels on this board

[Anonymous No.]

>>16034004
Somehow JP holos can get parasocial without groomers but with EOPs it's impossible
You're either fucking a woman already and a normalfag or a groomer trying to fuck
Why can EOPs not desire romance from their parasocial chuuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>16035212
>ages ago
why are cucks like this
she fucking talked about him
constantly
CONSTANTLY

[Anonymous No.]

>>16040889
No she doesnt

[Anonymous No.]

>>16037120
She. Never. Even. Hid. It.
You are a cuck. You are a literal fucking cuckold. It's fucking disgusting. You have no fucking dignity left as a man for not even drawing that one measly line

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041387
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>16040889
GFE makes you feel desired and special. Especially desired. Like somebody wants you as much as you want them. And it makes you feel possessive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041387
Quit samefagging schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041509
Genuinely deranged more than any other schizos on this board. I understand a unicorn better than you

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041654
You will kill yourself like every other cuck eventually does

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033644
>>16033767
the problem with kiara is that her avatar is shit, it's like having an ugly girlfriend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041743
>Waaaah someones favorite fake anime girl had a boyfriend at one point in the past
Lmfao

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041676
they're just trying to get you banned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041819
>in the past
what a fucking joke of a man you are

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041567
Thanks. That makes a lot of sense.

>>16041416
Shut up bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041892
You realize where you are right?

[Anonymous No.]

>mention gfe
>cucklings show up instantly

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041955
>Mention Fauna
>Schizos show up instantly

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033644
I got to line three and had to stop because I was cringing so much. This is something my middle school sister would write.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041890
I've been banned 257 times, the 258th won't stop me.
THE WOMAN IN REAL LIFE THAT VOICES THE CHARACTER IN HOLOLIVE CALLED FAUNA HAS A BOYFRIEND AT THIS EXACT MOMENT IN TIME, A SINGULAR MAN CALLED EDDY WHO DOES NOT WATCH FAUNA BUT INSTEAD HAS COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF SEX WITH HER ROOMMATE, AND FAUNA HIDES THIS FACT FROM ALL OF HER VIEWERS BECAUSE SHE PRETENDS TO BE THEIR GIRLFRIEND AND KNOWS THAT MANIPULATING MEN BY DOING SO WHILE HAVING A BOYFRIEND IRL IS MORALLY WRONG.
oh no are the mods coming with their banhammers? :( maybe they'll try rangebanning again this time, I'm sure it'll work this time lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>16042501
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041473
Okay, calling people cucks as a joke is funny. Being retarded like this isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16042501
Please take your meds anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>16042691
>as a joke
If you watch somebody with a boyfriend for GFE, you are an actual, literal cuckold, and it makes you a fucking worm.

[Anonymous No.]

go indie for them

[Anonymous No.]

>>16034138
Depends on how often you mean by watch her, I watch her sometimes but not enough to confidently align with her

[Anonymous No.]

>>16042744
I don't take mental advice from somebody with such a low sense of self worth that they become a willing cuckold. Go to therapy and get your fucking dignity back you emasculated fucking eunuch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16043145
>>16043053
Seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>16043209
Nearly all cuckolds kill themselves
You are a self-correcting problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>16043363
Who's your oshi then schizo?

[Anonymous No.]

>one kept talking about her bf non-stop
>the other cheated on bf and then fucked a nippon, thinking he would give her fiance visa or fame
anonchamas...your choices are quite depressing

[Anonymous No.]

Gura can be hit or miss on the gfe sometimes she is just incredibly lovey dovey but for the most part I'd say shes more of the childhood friend you've always had a crush on and secretly she does as well but shes too shy (I supose) experience.

So yeah not as clear cut but for her shrimps that just makes it feel more authentic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033934
I don't need to be constantly placated. She scratches the itch of casual night in with the girlfriend. Chit-chat, dopey shit, cutesy talk, and she shares a hell of a lot about herself just making it feel that much closer. She's got anxieties and fears she shares, celebrates with us, and has some real self-doubt that can feed into that want to protect. She'll never do actual asmr or date streams, but that isn't the kind of thing I'm looking for in GFE. I just want what she offers to fill in nights where I'm not out hanging out with friends/family.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16043389
Like I would associate any of my oshi with my posts, but I'm a DD. However I sure as fuck do my reps and don't buy into cope. I'm not such a brain-fried cuck like you that I can no longer tell fact from fiction.
Even with GFE, you can still have some semblance of self-respect instead of shrugging your shoulders and willingly torpedoing yourself to rock fucking bottom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16043673
Shouldn't you be on reddit instead faggot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16043591
But that's not what GFE means here. It's not the literal prostitute term. Blame fags here for confusing terminology, but GFE for a vtuber is about being your pretend(ish) girlfriend, not just acting like one. Subtle but important difference.

That's also why people can often talk past ewch other. When you get GFE from Lamy and Rushia, there is no line or bar, and you can't reliably tell yourself "this is a joke" or "this is pretend"- the point is that for the purposes of you the viewer, it's the real thing, and you have every reason to believe she considers it the real thing as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16043766
Reddit is filled with cuckolds like you far more than anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16043887
alright this stopped being fun a few posts ago, cya schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>16038799
No money for headphones???

[Anonymous No.]

>>16043944
You will never be a man until you stop being a disgusting freak

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033114
Ame hasn't been doing GFE since her first 6 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16043673
>>16043887
>>16044234
take your fucking meds you embarrassment holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
why would you need gfe when the western hemisphere only looks for a cucking experience

[Anonymous No.]

>>16044643
Learn how to be a man instead of an abused doormat you slithering fucking insect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16037517
A real woman? That's too much hassle. And expensive as fuck. No no no, EN Rushia is needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16044875
not a sapling, you're just an autistic gachikoi retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>16035425
>>16036589
>>16041387
What's the difference? The majority of these girls are just better at hiding it than fauna. Just because they you don't publicize having BFs doesn't mean they don't have them and doesn't magically make you not a cuck for supporting them. The real choice is to keep vtubers at an arms length and watch them for entertainment, not GFE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16042501
Who cares anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
Polka is close enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>16044943
>not a sapling
sure you aren't

[Anonymous No.]

>>16044954
ogey
the OP is asking about GFE btw, not your opinion. Nobody cares about your opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>>16045124
lol cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>16044954
>watch them for entertainment

[Anonymous No.]

>>16045236
nah, just developed object permanence alongside my disgust for emasculated cuckolds like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16044954
>watch them for entertainmen

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033114
you cannot be this retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
Whats GFE?

[Anonymous No.]

I’m not even into GFE but why would it even be important if your pretend-girlfriend vtuber anime girl is single or not in real life? It’s pretend. A fantasy. I don’t go watch a superhero movie and seethe because the actor playing the main character doesn’t have super powers in real life because I’m not a retard. Providing that intimate feeling is just another form of entertainment and I’m sure most of these fans if they had a gun to their head would admit they know that’s all it is. Why shit on someone for having an escape? We all have those in some form or another.

[Anonymous No.]

What's more powerful, a chumsagi, or a fanbeat?
One is the anti numberfag/antiherposter, the other is both a possessive gachikoi and a full affirmation ghostling at once

[Anonymous No.]

Because unlike JP members, the EN girls are too cuntish to do GFE. The only ones that somewhat do it are Mori/Irys/Kiara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16045945
>It’s pretend. A fantasy.
Go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>16045945
>I’m sure most of these fans if they had a gun to their head would admit they know that’s all it is.
My oshi is my girlfriend and I am her boyfriend, unironically. Fuck you for projecting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16045890
see >>16043845

[Anonymous No.]

>>16044954
>watch them for entertainment
i would watch male streamers for that, lirik is my favorite btw, that guy is funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16046124
This is unironically such a pathetic bitch response, its you basically going: Nooo! leave me alone!

Cope loser, I'm here, i'll keep posting what I want and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16046356
This, but I don't because I've never found streamers to be entertaining. No hate for people that do, it's just not for me and I've tried plenty, too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16044954
And that's all I care about. If she can hide it, good for her. If she had a boyfriend in the past but doesn't now, whatever. But with the amount my Oshi talks about her personal life, it'd be pretty easy to tell when she starts dating because the daily personal stories will disappear because she'll want to avoid bringing up her boyfriend. She's also asocial, so if she suddenly starts hanging out with friends every other day, shit'll be suspicious too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16046412
ogey
go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>16046531
Make me

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033114
>Fauna
>GFE
She would've been if she didn't go the ASMR route.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16046512
this is why I only watch girls who are fucking terrible liars. Just good at hiding isn't good enough for me. Never a garauntee ofc but there are ways, as you've picked up on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16042501
based
jannies and cucks btfo'd

[Anonymous No.]

>>16046553
don't care, go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>16044954
You're kinda right but some of these girls can barely get a bf let alone beta orbiters, so they use chat/members as thier emotional dump and get too personal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16046763
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041778
It's more of an acquired taste if you stay around for her streams, but no one on /vt/ ever does so they're missing out.
>But she's annoying, I can't watch her
KFPs know this and Kiara does too, ironically that's the best aspect about her is she's aware of her poor habits of her lack of self-awareness towards others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16047033
that's actually alright if true. i don't want to dislike kiara, but it always seemed like she pushed people away from her with a toxic personality, then would put on a pity party instead of any real self-reflection

[Anonymous No.]

>>16046969
go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>16047347
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>16047312
Yeah she's always been critical of herself, especially after she used to surf /jp/ for brutal opinions about herself during her debut months. I can't find the clip(been searching for a couple minutes), but she has some issue where she can't help but to say the first thing on her mind and she isn't always aware if she's being rude of not. While I don't think that's a good excuse and she could try to improve on that, admittedly I relate to that bad habit of hers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16047642
That's just the nazi blood flowing through her veins

[Anonymous No.]

>>16035212
>some rrat from ages ago that wasn't even proven
are you serious

[Anonymous No.]

>>16047642
the main difference being, you're probably not a public entertainer. i can respect that she looked for opinions on herself, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16042501
So it's not morally wrong to manipulate men when they don't have boyfriends? Than it's suddenly supporting you and making you feel less lonely?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16046124
Well, it's only a fantasy for you. It's actually business for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16047363
go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>16048560
It's not the only tell for manipulation(obviously), but it is one major tell

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
>>16032925
>>16032925
>vestern vomen
>GFE

[Anonymous No.]

>>16043053
So that means everyone that watches VTubers for GFE, since they all have boyfriends...

[Anonymous No.]

>>16043363
>All cuckolds kill themselves, because they are a self-correcting problem
Then why are anon malding over them, if the problem is going to fix itself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16049146
ESLkun...

[Anonymous No.]

>>16049234
Because they're disgusting and I still have a semblance of faith in mankind that I intend to protect by despising threats to it

[Anonymous No.]

>>16049318
If you are a protector of mankind, then mankind is doomed...

[Anonymous No.]

>>16049533
if mankind needs to be fine with cuckoldry to survive, mankind deserves to die anyway

[Anonymous No.]

not replying to that doxx schizo but fauna doesn't pretend to be viewers girlfriend.
she pretends to be their mom.
a weird yandere plant mom that will grind them into compost if they disobey.
nobody that is into that is going to care if she has a real boyfriend.
hell the hypothetical boyfriend could be the viewers dad.
do you think your dad cucked you because he fucked your mom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16053627
NTA but you're playing dumb if you think mommyfags are that literal. Of course it matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16053739
>NTA
I don't believe you.
It's all an rp nothing about it is literal, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck happened to GFEbros? I remember them back in /jp/ but when did they grow to the point of lashing out at everyone else and screaming about cucks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
They know that shit is mental and unhealthy

[Anonymous No.]

Girlfriend Experience is cringe, you are cringe

[Anonymous No.]

Western education and values shape their personality so well, everybody was taught to behave what were told to fit in with society. nobody can get out of the loop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16054826
I broke out. But you're mostly right. In the west even co-dependency in an actual relationship is frowned upon.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't let fujos and male feminists on this board shame you for having standards, unicorn bros.
how many whores will pander to unicornchads for our money, but the moment we expect some commitment , we're suddenly raging misogynist 'incels'...
they'll use buzzwords like these to shame you if you dare to expect something from women besides them playing games and doing cute noises while earning a ton of money.
there's also a lot salty 2views and indies who got rejected by JP corpos from /asp/ and /wvt/, hating GFE and idolchads is how they cope.
don't be a cuck like EN oil barons, brainwashed by vshojos talking about how many guys they fucked in a single night.
t. fandead

[Anonymous No.]

>>16055457
kys fancuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>16055457
You tell 'em, Farquaad. This riff raff would superchat an ogre in a dress when they could be watching a princess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033624
>>16044560
Her bitchiness and goblin voice as she gets angry over minor things is the closest to actual gfe most of you will get.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16044560
she never did GFE newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>16045945
the love between Rushia and fandeads isn't "pretend" or "fake" it's literally real as it can get

[Anonymous No.]

>>16055457
bicorns truly are a disease

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
Kiara is GFE until she gets horny for a woman

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032974
Kiara is not and never was an SJW

[Anonymous No.]

>>16062422
Yeah, she just had a case of "woman having to empathize with left wing views because the other option won't give her much"

[Anonymous No.]

>>16062451
she just has a case of "having completely reasonable views on American politics from an outsider's perspective."
She never once got into the actual meat of actual left-wing politics and everything that entails.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16055457
I'm not a unicorn, but I'll associate with you over any faggot who thinks wom*n should be exempt from any standards.
Those girls make literal millions per year as an "entertainer", while the average cuckold works his daily 8 hours to simp for a girl fucking someone else.

They cope by hating on the men who at least have some requirements for their parasocial crushes.

[Anonymous No.]

>holoEN gfe
>production kawaii exist
When are you going to take the small corpo pill an-non?
Clearly your girls are too westernised to do a Japanese tier gfe.

[Anonymous No.]

is this the meds-free zone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16062751
I was just going to suggest Production Kawaii. You people need to broaden your horizons. Anyway, gotta go as I need to hang out with vtuber gf.

[Anonymous No.]

Phase connect vtubers, Pippa and Tenma had discussed about this before.
Pippa is a white girl from America.
Tenma is probably a Japanese currently living in Canada.

For westerners, the concept of separating your actual identity from your vtuber persona is weird but doable to an extent because they are taught the values of being yourself from a young age.

While in east asia (especially Japan), everyone has 2 personalities, your surface persona that you show to everyone and your deep/heart persona. Hence why it's easier for asians to develop an extensive persona of their vtubers. They have trained to not be themselves from a young age.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16062751
>>16063060
the only one I watch is charlotte while I am not watching my JP oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>16063192
Something about that Japanese way of living seems kinda fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16063060
i think your seethe is misdirected cuckshizo
i'm fairly certain most saplings don't care for gfe

[Anonymous No.]

>>16063649
I think you meant to reply to someone else bro.

[Anonymous No.]

We could have one if we got Fallenshadow over Fauna

[Anonymous No.]

>>16063649
An-non, you're the schizo one.
This thread is discussing bout why holoEN doesn't do gfe, not about if saplings care if Fauna does or does not do gfe.

Take meds, onegai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16041387
This. Having a well hidden bf is one thing, but if you watch a gfe chuuba who constantly talks/talked about their bf, you're undeniably a cuck and arguably have horrible taste in women. Denying this in any way is pure cope.

Well, whatever makes them happy I guess. As long as I don't have to share a glass with them, they can suck up their wife's boyfriend's cum for all I care

[Anonymous No.]

>>16055457
>if you dare to expect something from women besides them playing games
why would anybody watch women play games anyway? they're so bad at it, this stream being prime example https://youtu.be/wU5rSaD9kL8
7 hours of button mashing and smashing her head into the wall like a brainless monkey and still fail to beat the boss. it literally took me no more than 30 minutes and around 10 deaths to beat that boss, some MALE streamers i watch even beat it on 1-3 tries. if you're women and you're not at least decent at games(like selen) then the only thing you're good for is being eye candy if you're IRL streamer or GFE if you're vtuber, don't even kid yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16056038
>literally took chat on a date
>"she never did GFE"
imagine being as fucking retarded as you. i feel bad for your parents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16032925
Fauna is GFE experience. Watch streams retard.

[Anonymous No.]

Wow this thread went full schizo when I went to bed.

>>16058799
Anon who made that post here. Okay, I acknowledge I don’t have any idea what goes on between Rushia and her fandeads. My post probably doesn’t apply to their case. I don’t know if I would even call that GFE so much as she’s straight up dating her chat.

[Anonymous No.]

ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>16033114
>Mori
the fuck nigga? You don't even watch her.
>Ame
Nigga, even in her pl/rl she was NOWHERE near a GFE.She isn't now.
>Fauna
You're actually right here for once and that's because she has a BF so she knows exactly how to string you along.

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>>16068838
>if I would even call that GFE so much as she’s straight up dating her chat
Given that the term GFE started as a description of Rushia, "dating your chat" is what GFE means. Nobody wants a fucking anime woman to pretend to date them what kinda sad sack of shit do you have to be to need such fake cope as that...the whole point is that it's real
Rushia is the most intense and direct but she's far from the only one

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>>16069170
Okay, guess I had the wrong idea. Thanks for enlightening me anon, this was educational.

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>>16032925
>there was a point in late 2020/early 2021 where I though Mori and Ame would have an ASMR arms race
Don't take financial advice from me.

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> Don't let fujos and male feminists on this board shame you for having standards, unicorn bros.
> how many whores will pander to unicornchads for our money, but the moment we expect some commitment , we're suddenly raging misogynist 'incels'...
> they'll use buzzwords like these to shame you if you dare to expect something from women besides them playing games and doing cute noises while earning a ton of money.
> there's also a lot salty 2views and indies who got rejected by JP corpos from /asp/ and /wvt/, hating GFE and idolchads is how they cope.
> don't be a cuck like EN oil barons, brainwashed by vshojos talking about how many guys they fucked in a single night.
> t. fandead

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> the love between Rushia and fandeads isn't "pretend" or "fake" it's literally real as it can get

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> My oshi is my girlfriend and I am her boyfriend, unironically. Fuck you for projecting.

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You know, the fact that any post about rrats and a vtuber having a relationship gets like 10 replies in this place makes me think that faggots who say it doesn't matter to them are liars who say that because they want to cope.

I mean, I don't want my oshi to have a bf, and I admit that

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>>16069545
>>16069724
>>16069790
Oh so none of my posts are good enough? Quote this post with a wojak you fat fucking nigger or I will ban you from 4chan for the rest of your fucking life, and yes that is a threat you little bitch. WOJAK ME NOW AND DON'T YOU DARE LEAVE ME OUT AGAIN YOU SPINELESS FAGGOT.

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>>16069545
>>16069724
>>16069790
extremely gay content

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>>16032925
Ok. I will admit there is no GFE in HoloEN, if you allow EN to collab with HolostarsEN once they are out! In fact, why don't we allow them to collab with males freely, after all, this shit is only banned because "muh trust and muh respect for the paying custom- I mean boyfriend viewers" right? So if there is no GFE there shouldn't be a problem, right?

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>>16070273
Sure, if we also bar them from collabs with HoloJP. Do that and I will literally never comment on HoloEN again. Hell, I'll leave this god forsaken board too. And no roommate collabs, either, those get termed as a breach of contract.

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>>16071853
Why would I accept any more conditions? The point is that it is reasonable by your own shizo rules so, no fuck you faggot. You can stop commenting on EN though, that can only be a good thing. And god please stay on thise board, wouldn't want unicorn shizos roaming free.

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>>16048560
That's the idol contract. You throw up your chastity (you can still fuck girls if you are prison gay) for the prime of your years in exchange you get lots of payment, parasocial love from strangers and some support for creative/entertainment projects. Then you graduate, get married to some chad and everyone was happy with the time they spent with you as a parasocial object. Now in reality many 3dpd japanese idols were getting cocked by producers until the last few years when they cleaned things up a bit but thats an aside.

It's an exchange if you will.

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This is definitely the most out of control thread I’ve seen on /vt/ lately hahaha

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>>16072246
>parasocial love from strangers
No, you are thinking to highly of yourselves.
The idol contract is, manipulating men to give you money in exchange for payment, fan support (which is what you could call love i guess), and most importantly enduring the control and power your fans and especially gachi's exert over you, your chastity and romantic private life as long as you manage to. That is what unicorns mean by: "we expect commitment for our money."

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>anti-GFE fags are wojack posters kek

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> That's the idol contract. You throw up your chastity (you can still fuck girls if you are prison gay) for the prime of your years in exchange you get lots of payment, parasocial love from strangers and some support for creative/entertainment projects. >Then you graduate, get married to some chad and everyone was happy with the time they spent with you as a parasocial object. Now in reality many 3dpd japanese idols were getting cocked by producers until the last few years when they cleaned things up a bit but thats an aside.

> It's an exchange if you will.

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>>16072656
Are you insinuating the exchange is somehow unfair? What are you a TERF? Seems pretty reasonable to me. It's not like young girls are forced into idoldom.

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>>16042501
Based as fuck

>>16032925
Might be a culture thing, is there really even a GFE market in the west beyond the schizophrenic superchatters who think donating their paycheck every week will actually get them laid?

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> Are you insinuating the exchange is somehow unfair? What are you a TERF? Seems pretty reasonable to me. It's not like young girls are forced into idoldom.

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>>16072715
> TERF
incel spotted

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>>16072715
No I am not but how is this compatible with: "I am so in love with her and she loves me back for real"
Seems like wanting to have your cake and eating it to. You want to be a man child and shelter yourself from reality by controlling some womens cunt with your money, be my guest. Just don't turn around and say some shit about fucking love or respect of all things, especially when as soon as your rules are broken and upon experiencing the loss of aforementioned control, you turn into a bitter and hateful skin wearing stalker or pathetic man child.

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>>16041567
Kiara does that for me all the time.

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>>16073088
Wow nice strawman retard. I never once insinuated that I thought it was some "real relationship" its just a little play, a service someone does. A little communal "girlfriend" a little fantasy for the lesser status men. But the way you talk about things, and others in this thread talk about things, and posting wojaks it is apparent to me you are woefully illiterate and have no ethical or moral basis for your beliefs thoughts or actions and can demonstrate no axoims upon which these takes of yours rely on.

You basically just took what I said, and reframed it in some Freudian retard babble about muh control when it is a voluntary exchange. Yes there are of course schizos in each fanbase who don't get the whole pretend aspect, but thats true of all celebrities.

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>>16073183
Well, of course I am not talking about (you) specifically but in general, there are a lot of fucking people, as can be demonstrated by just scrolling up, that think of it exactly like that and that's simply not what it is.
And my point about power and control is absolutely correct, make no mistake. That is why these rules like male collab bans are so implicit and rarely talked about. This is why even though in every other aspect they will happily divorce the roommate from the vtuber, when it comes to the boyfriend that barrier is just evaporated. This is why idols shave their heads as an apology when they are found out to have a boyfriend and this is why mano aloe was bullied out of hololive immediately after her debut. Also I am sorry for your experience with the wojaks. They need to go back.

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>>16033644
...I quite.

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>>16073502
Ok I get where you are coming from then. And indeed Idoling is a dangerous game, there are many instances of stalking or even straight up violent attacks when you try to form parasocial relations with vast quantities of low class men. Now you could maybe argue some idols going into this don't fully understand the nuances of this relationship and its dangers, many cheat the rule in this case and a few got away with it as well. There is an aspect of control in the mind of malformed schizos who don't understand the play, but for the average fan they will just move on to someone who is more "devoted" to the idol exchange.

I would say Idol culture is only slightly more inflammatory than any other form of personal celebrity, even foul mouthed top streamers get parasocial freaks swatting them and stuff.

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>>16042501
Based cucks will seeth and cope

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>>16044954
>for entertainment

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Mori loves me

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>>16074619
T.manlet

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>>16074619
Try her anon. She wouldn't even rape you, she'd just brutalize you without sex.

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Honestly this entire thread is probably the reason why EN doesn’t do GFE.

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>>16073792
I agree with most of what you said, only two things. First it is still a little disingenuous calling it simply play, because once there is money involved it becomes a profession as well. Of course it depends on how much money is spent, but once you get into the big spenders calling it a game or play simply won't cut it anymore. Second, your point about the average fan. Think about it, if this were nothing but an innocent play or game why would the average fan even want someone more devoted, as you say. Wouldn't it be completely normal to just ignore the one instance where a rule is broken? The pretend game just stops and resumes, what of it? If this were just a play, that would be how you'd treat it, right? This also ties into the thing about roommates. Play in this sense means playing a role, where the actor or roommate, becomes invisible for the sake of immersion. So then why does it matter if the roommate has a boyfriend? When did the role play stop and what replaced it?

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>>16075722
You're missing the point, its a play in the sense that the fan knows he will not have a relationship with the girl but he engages in this patronage with the assumption the girl has put her relations on hold in order to be communally available to her fans. On the first layer is the fantasy, the simp adores the girl and imagines her his wife, and the girl pretends to enjoy the company and attention of the fans. Now implicitly the man knows that he will never be in a relationship with the girl, but he goes through the actions of playing out the play for emotional comfort, likewise the girl knows that placating these faceless strangers is not real love but she is expected to uphold her end of the bargain. You are conflating the Vtuber-person separation with the role of an idol, idols who just walk around as themselves are expected not to have boyfriends, an anime puppet in front does not change that. And it's not a wholly innocent game, there is a bit of warped emotional dependence usually one way from the fans to the girl but sometimes two ways. That said, I would say any girl who gets into the parasocial business with a boyfriend is just simply a bad person. In Japan this is simply understood as the norm for people becoming these communal girlfriends, filling this role that idols do.

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>>16032925
it's cringey af and attract the worst kind of fanbase.
i don't hate all of the gfe jp chuubas but wamy is one of those that I hate.
most gfe chuubas are not right in their head and has attitude problems, wamy is one of it.

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>>16076054
NTA, but just the fact that you have to do all of this explaining I think shows that the “problem” is that the EN community has no such equivalent set of expectations culturally, which is why the EN girls do not conform to this standard, nor do the fans.

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>>16076834
Yeah, HoloEN without any irony is the first Japanese style idol troupe to exist in the english world and neither they nor the fans fully understand it, and they would have no reason to compared to Japan where idol culture sprung out of historical practices.

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>>16076054
>You are conflating the Vtuber-person separation with the role of an idol
Fair enough, but
>end of the bargain
see how you are being vague again in an attempt to blurr the line between what is actually exchanged and what is expected. What exactly is the end of the bargain? To pretend to be a communal girlfriend or to actually be a communal girlfriend? This is key because one can be performed professionally and the other extends into the private life of the person itself which then IS the same as the distinction between roommate and vtuber again. If this would only be about the expectation to pretend to be a communal girlfriend there'd be no problem but what you want to control is not her professional life, you want to control the person itself which this
>is just simply a bad person
illustrates perfectly. By setting this cultural norm you are shifting away from the Idol as a public personality towards the private person. You can now pressure the person itself without having to worry about her maybe having a strict barrier between her private life and her work.

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>>16032925
Anon, EN culture is different. First of all GFE is considered slutty, which makes sense since "GFE" is a term used by literal hookers and porn stars (You guys didn't think chuubas invented that word, right?) and it's clear that they find the idea of leaning too heavily into girlfriend kayfabe as cringe. In Japan these girls know they are being slutty and the ones that do GFE have accepted their status as softcore sex workers a long time ago. It's the same reason why most male streamers don't do boyfriend roleplay shit, they think that would be strange to do.

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>>16077793
This argument is retarded and nonsensical, the entire point of becoming an idol, a communal girlfriend is you are sacrificing your private life for a timeframe to reap the benefits. Idols in Japan understand this, it isn't manipulative, its understood. The west doesn't understand that but since we now have western peoples working for idol companies in idol capacities they should learn this basic shit.

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>>16033114
>>16033172
>>16033560
Ame isn't GFE, she's wife experience.
As in "get the fuck off me, I'm busy, go play your games", pissed about something but never talks to you kind of wife experience.
But then sometimes gets sappy/affectionate.

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>>16078061
To play devils advocate, you could also argue that since it’s for a western audience with different cultural expectations the basic assumptions don’t necessarily have to be the same and it will evolve into its own thing over time that is distinct from Japanese idol culture.

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>>16078061
>you are sacrificing your private life
So then what was exactly the difference again between an average fan and a hardcore shizo (except for the skin wearing part) if this kind of control of the private life of a person is baked into the culture itself? You still think I am arguing against this when all I ask is that you people are being honest about what's actually happening here. You can point to the difference in culture all you want but the fact of the matter is, this is not as innocent as being about love or comfort for you. I am perfectly comforted by a vtuber saying cute shit or even giving me attention without her having to sacrifice her fucking entire private life. If the average fan wants a fake girlfriend experience and nothing more why can the she ACTUALLY cheat on you and is ACTUALLY a bad person for doing it?

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>>16078569
This is the truth, let's be honest if the EN Holos were copying the JP format it would not work. It's the same reason why chain restaurants have different menus in different countries. You have to cater to the local audience, and Lamy tier GFE is off the menu since it is a radically unpopular choice. The fact that you only see unicornfaggotry on /vt/ and virtually nowhere else shoes you how unpopular it is among English speaking fanbases.

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>>16078569
Sure, and different holomen are treating it differently. A few have brought into the traditional idol method, namely Gura and Kiara and others are trying to have their cake and eat it too. The layer of the vtuber discouraging doxposting and gossip allows a more "preformative" idol where they just have a boyfriend and then emotionally pleasure men on the internet. That said Hololive always presented itself as an idol company and one can get this basic grasp of idol culture through maybe a week or two of watching translated JP idol content so I would hope the ENs signing up for it had some background knowledge.

>>16078752
How is this not fucking obvious to you. Jesus. It aids in the simps living in the fantasy to foster their parasocial relation when the idol is for (them). The sacrifice of the private life is not just a cultural thing, it is a aspect of the PRODUCT that is an idol. There are female performers with boyfriends and many fans but they don't get the same fanbase seeking parasocial validation. The quality of said validation, even if you might find it creepy or schizo is decreased when the person whispering sweet nothing to you, even if its fakery, has a SO. How many times do I have to write and explain this and why can't you get this basic concept. Virginity/chastity has a market value.

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>>16079069
So to be a unicorn you basically have to be a doxxfag to cover your bases? No wonder people think of you like chinks

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>>16079357
This is a problem unique to vtuber idols but traditional idols get tabloids writing about their escapades when they fall off the wagon. At the very least the layer of the vtuber avatar reduces the severity of the tabloid posting. Roa who had a scandal in nijisanji and got stalked/harassed is going to JP court with the argument that a Vtuber Persona is not separate from the performer in order to seek damages from her attackers.

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>>16079576
>will doxx you
>will tell you how to live your life
>will try to backseat and dictate all of your content
>will actively anti you the moment you do something they don't like
>only gives you money as a passive bribe until the previous thing happens
Anons I'm starting to think unicorns aren't worth the money

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>ame
>Mori
>fauna
Hell even gura sometimes

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>>16080006
This is a little bit of a strawman. Look at Coco for example who didn't really do traditional GFE, she was very open about her past life and not having an SO while working as Coco and when doing zatsudans tried to socialize as a older sister/GF to her fans and made buku bucks.

The idol industry is in a nutshell an industry farming the market value of virginity/chastity, you might find that reprehensible somehow but you also seem to be posting from the perspective of a historically illiterate westerner who views all of life through a post sex revolution lens and finds it to be the moral apex of civilization, beyond the purview of this thread but I would disagree from a basic survey of the sociological health of modern societies.

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>>16079069
It is obvious to me alright, I just don't like it when people are pathetic enough to exert real power over another person to the extend of writing it in a basically unspoken social contract all for nothing more than a fantasy and then turn around and play it down or flat out lying about what they are doing on the one hand and on the other pretending like this is all just love and innocent play. If all unicorns were honest about this as you are being right now, then I'd at least have a little respect for them. But they hide behind all this bullshit and later use it to justify their disgusting moral crusades against them as if they were some kind of victim.

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>>16082485
Well the problem as others have stated in the thread is this is many westerners first rodeo with an idol and they buy into the parasocial shit, they were obviously ravenous for it, the layer of vtuber let them distance from the "twitch thot simp" mindset. And as we have all seen many have brought into it whole hog without understanding the premise. This very thread indicates I will have to make an article about this on my substack when i stop being a lazy fuck and do content creation again.

[Anonymous No.]

unicorns are mentally ill men who should kill themselves instead of expecting women to be single for the sake of muh GFE and idolfaggotry

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>>16083072
i accept your concession, go back to /r9k/

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>>16083072
So you're telling me that the in the japanese idol communities, the gachi's are completely honest about how immoral the industry is, how the moral standards and cultural norms that prevent the talents from having a private life are only their to exert power over them and that all this is just in an effort for them to be able to run away from reality and into a fantasy world where they can pretend to be loved without justifying or glossing over any of this this in some way to anyone outside of this group?

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>>16085563
Yes they understand it, but the way you frame it is goofy, it's just "don't have a boyfriend for x amount of time" it's not this crazy power dynamic you seem to frame it as. In fact if western women were smarter and more detatched they would close their legs and then sell their virginity at ages 19-25 and marry millionaires and giga chads with ease because its scarcity in the market.

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> Yes they understand it, but the way you frame it is goofy, it's just "don't have a boyfriend for x amount of time" it's not this crazy power dynamic you seem to frame it as. In fact if western women were smarter and more detatched they would close their legs and then sell their virginity at ages 19-25 and marry millionaires and giga chads with ease because its scarcity in the market.

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>>16085918
>detatched
I don't know how being smart or detached would make it less of a power dynamic? It would just make the recipient be able to be less affected by it.
Also we haven't even talked about how the unspoken nature of all this makes it easy to just bend the rules which makes it impossible for the talent to exactly know where the barriers of her behavior are at a given time. And because we are not simply talking about two parties but a multitude of parties as the bond is formed not with the collective but with each gachi individually, that also these rules and barriers are at least technically drawn for each person individually and differently thus making it even harder for the talent to understand where they are. Of course I realize there will be certain standards and conventions but again, it's all unspoken so it makes it easier for actual shizo's to set their rules and be still perfectly able to participate.

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>>16087737
Ideally companies/legal systems would be strong enough to protect idols from any quantity of schizos but Japan's is notoriously shit at it which is the only thing giving random viewers any sort of sway in the dynamic. And again basically everything is forgiven as long as your aren't dating while working. Even girls in the JP industry who got outed for the behavior have survived either based on their popularity or just apologizing and getting back on board. The one where the girl shaved her head was an extreme case, and she even jokes about it now and won a comedy competition by using it as material.

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>>16032925
EN watchers are all chads who have a fulfilling love life. We don't need some fake imaginary girlfriend.

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>>16088229
The Watame incident is a good Hololive example of the same thing. Boyfriend’s profile was on her Switch, she told her audience that they’d broken up, Coco cracked a joke about it, and everyone moved on.

[Anonymous No.]

Unicorns get the rope