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So Hal caught holoAIDS through Towa/Matsuri, which in turn passed to other Niji APEX autists like Kuzuha, Kanae, Ibrahim, etc. Is that right? It's really spreading like a virus.
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https://twitter.com/ShibuyaHAL/status/1478742169490178053https://twitter.com/ShibuyaHAL/status/1478742169490178053https://twitter.com/ShibuyaHAL/status/1478742169490178053THE SAVIOUR OF /#/THE EMPEROR OF NUMBERSKNEEL
EMPEROR HAL WILL SAVE /#/, PLEASE SUPPORT HIM
>>15877502That experiment is not conclusive since the bot verification is not yet done. Should have started the poll 30 mins into the stream.
>>15877502THIS ONE
Someone sc him to do it again at least 30 minutes in. 5 minutes is way too early. He got too excited kek
>>15877423this is a good point*. ideally he'll do another poll when ccv flatlines later in the stream*not that it invalidates the first poll
Would be interesting to see the results of an external poll site.
>>15877533I kneel. Please save us Hal!
>>15877550well we'll see if he gets ccv equal to the final results and how long it takes>>15877453
I know the poll is nuts but this is the bigger scoop from Hal, the CCV shown to the streamer isn't the same as the public one
his viewership already seems capped? he got like 2500 and it went down
>>15877524Explains VSPO and Ratna too. Any female Vtubers also just probably overlap with Hololive a bit anyway
laplus waiting room 10k
>>15877524The Towa 3D stream the other day was a good vector but It's more than just those 2.
>>15877550YT: oops sorry we'll start filtering out bots from polls next quarter
I guess no harm in it but such a pointless poll lmao. The waiting room cull into verifying viewers has always been a thing.
>>15877596Seems like YouTube decides a cap for every stream and you’re stuck there.
Theres a reason Hal was the only homo COVER never had a problem with
>>15877502I need the reaction of 5ch or matome
>>15877535>support a male vtubernever
wait so the people waiting is bugged and show more people and the livestream is bugged and show less people? that it?
>>15877646going up again now that hes in game but it stagnated pretty hard between the games and started going down. I thought this lad was a big Apex boy 2.5k seems pretty low to start dropping viewers even if just in between games unless im mistaken on Hals size
>>15877533the niji godfield tournament today made it obvious to me now. Youtube is only counting one stream if you're opening multiple tabs.
>>15877675He will help save your oshi. You better support him
>>15877550>>15877572>>15877617It's now 15 minutes in and his CCV is still over a thousand short of the end of the poll, and that's assuming zero new viewers arrived in the intervening 10 minutes
>>15877533I TOLD YOU ALL ABOUT THE KING OF INDIES, EMPEROR OF ALL VTUBERS!>I DID TELL YOU!YOU DIDN'T LISTEN!>>15877550Anon, if he fails to ever beat that poll number (and he likely will) that's enough evidence.With that said, showing "600 people watching now" when there are 5000 people watching is a travesty in either case
>>15877533My kneels... I can't...
>>15877701We already knew this from at least last summer though
>>15877701>He admits to watching NijisanjiGross
>>15877533>>15877535THE EMPEROR PROTECTS! I KNEELTAKE MY ENERGY
Damnit, the waiting room "bug" has been there since last year. That's not the issue here. We might need to put it in the OP. There's been a lot of tourists here
>>15877677Waiting room viewers all need to be 'verified', so that's the drop you see at the start. Then there appears to be some absolute fuckery going on during the stream, where a good chunk of viewers just never show up in the public CCV but apparently DO show up on the streamer side. That would explain why Mori threw out that 2k figure of 'missing' viewers, she's been watching her numbers and knows roughly what the discrepency is.
>>15877677>people waiting is bugged and show more peopleThat's retarded to even assume. Youtube NEVER overcounted anything in their decade long history
Luna has 10x as many likes on her stream as she does viewers.
>>15877723number thread is really just niji anti thread huh. it gets sooo slow here when holos aren't getting numbers lol
Hal did the poll too early, he pulls 5k-10k viewers on Apex so the numbers on the poll weren't absurd considering it was just 5 minutes into the stream and YouTube was still processing the viewers
This new reality is now with us forever.Just accept it.
>>158777041k more in polls than ccv has been a thing for a long time. We need bigger discrepancies than 1k
another poll Hal now that its been 20 minutes onegai....
>>15877759you know bots can be programmed to like streams, right?
>>15877777when the poll maxed at 4.6k and CCV is currently around 4k, 1000 isn't a small number
>>15877796it has been like this for more than a year
Hal did the pool too early
I think the best time to do a poll is maybe 15-20 minutes after the CCV starts inevitably flatlining.
This is out chance to get Kiara to do a bunch of informative polls. Platform, country, viewing habits, members, superchat habits, etc. Both to try to figure out the cull and get some more behind the scenes info
Stop biting the bait retards
>>15877833Can someone superchat him in Japanese?
>>15877796It's been like that for a long time. Are you new? Anything bigger than 1k, now that might be something
https://youtu.be/9A08eWF0Xz4haachama stream in 50 min....new 3view incomingis this counted as a guerilla?
>>15877856i'm saying 1k isn't a small discrepancy when the seemingly max amount of viewers is 4.6k.if there were 10k+ then yeah 1k difference isn't that big
>>15877790>you know bots can be programmed to like streams, right?kek, interestingly enough I've been in the receiving end of this sophistry
>In other news target for love just reached 1 million viewsFucking finally, shit shill song destroyed my shark perfect score
Despite Riku's best efforts (collab fees, charging for new outfits, etc) to fuck up the EN branch, the most popular stars have emerged from their male wave. What does this mean for the next hololive generation? Are they going to have males or will they abandon the market and continue to be female only?
>>15877875Guerilla streams don't have waiting rooms.Speaking of which, anyone tracking guerilla streams? They should be immune to the waiting room cull, so we should be able to add another metric to the calculations.
it's all the fault of kpop niggers overusing their indian bot farms. they tried to make BTS song beat world record a few months ago and now we dont count as real viewers because we fell into the margin of error of the new algorithm
For people saying hololive should move from YouTube to Twitch.... Dude. Forget about it. From am outsider's perspective, people are just not going to move to Twitch. Youtube is where the hololive audience get their content. The translated clips are on YouTube. The holoGra are on YouTube. The music are on YouTube. It's just too convenient. You can't just make them change their habit overnight.
>>15877502Amerimutt SJWs are no better than the CCP. They are fucking manipulative as hell. Youtube became like RT. And as usual, those dumb Amerimutt woke subhumans fucking suck at hiding things.
Hal finally passing his polled numbers from the start of the stream
>>15877932What would be the actual numbers for those 1M+ kpop streams?
>>15877952if they were to swap they'd probably do it slowly.also, its normal for twitch streamers to have some presence on youtube
>>15877952Maybe don't switch completely but do some simulcasts or once a week/few a month streams on Twitch just to protect their egos and preserve their sanity. If this continues Kiara is going to be streaming to 500 ccv. Even if she knows its bogus that shit is maddening. If she announced it properly and hyped it she could probably easily get 10K on Twitch
Will Kanae fail to beat 4k for the second time ever in his Vtuber career?It's not Valorant this time but Mahjong.
>>15877761Now no need to Play the victim card here that dude is just another one of the many resident schizo here and number thread has a schizo for everyone not just Nijisanji
>>15877922hololive and holostars are separate :^)
>>15877952How many JP people actually used twitch? I could see that hurting the JP side even more
>>15877502FalseEyeD is already on the casehttps://twitter.com/FalseEyeD/status/1478728490979573765
>>15877979He should poll it now and see how much it goes above the current amount.
>>15878000Oh gods that's not looking good.
>>15877983Youtube actually doesn't remove the botted numbers from VODs because they want to charge the advertisers more. But when it comes to paying ad revenue they subtract all that lol
>>15878040look at RTA numbers
>>15877761>number thread is really just niji anti thread huh. it gets sooo slow here when holos aren't getting numbers lolFUCKING KEK>it's the fastest thread in the board right now
>>15877952more holos making twitch accounts would put pressure on youtube at least (assuming they even care)
>>15878040JPs only use Twitch for JP traps, and esports.
Alright so I'm back /#/, I need a quick rundown on this HAL dude, is he reliable?
>>15877952>>15877992Twitch literally has a button to export your VODs to Youtube in one click, streaming on Twitch then posting VODs to Youtube afterwards is extremely common
>>15878071Why would they care?
>>15878000he has been like this for several weeks before what are you talking about
>>15878041good shit, that's one vtuber news guy who's at least somewhat tolerable
Iroha started a twispace 5 minutes ago, already 6k listeners
>>15878041who?
Let's fucking GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOhttps://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478742434913955848https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478742434913955848https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478742434913955848
>>15878084Nah, he polled way too early
>>15877952>>15878040Has nobody ever paid attention? Pekora and Miko have both used twitch and gotten sizeable views similar to if a bit lower than youtube in 2021 (I don't remember exactly)They just need to switch to twitch for a few streams to make a scene and fuss to youtube
>>15878070It's Nijifags and their victim complex
>>15878087Is that before or after they mute 20 minutes of audio for playing 10 seconds of a copyrighted song?
>>15878087Probably one of a few indies that managed to beat Holo and Niji from time to time.
maybe its the polls that are bugged
Korone is a terminal case. Never surpassed her waiting room numbers. We should start making a list of terminal patients. Korone, Iroha, who else?
Hal clip, don't know if it's of any worth thoughhttps://streamable.com/s0qiu9
>>15878125they are monitoring the situation
>>15878084Anon, Shibuya Hal is nicknamed "The Emperor" in this thread, and for two reasons1) he, while he was an indie, was the highest ranked indie by CCV of all of them2) he is the vtuber with the most connections in the field and the organizer of most of the cross company tournamentsIf someone getting pissed at what's happening can mobilize a lot of vtubers, that would be him
>>15878146After, which is why most people record their streams locally and post that instead of using the Twitch feature
>>15877502WATASHOGUN WILL HAVE WATAMAGE'S HEADJUSTICE SHALL PREVAIL
>>15878125>there's more retards complaining so we'll wait and see how big it actually is before we give a shitThanks youtube.
>>15878125>update: we have reviewed the reports and have confirmed that it is indeed working as intended and removing spam viewers. for more information, read this link
>>15878151people are just switching accounts to vote again, numbers is grasping hard
>>15878125I’m surprised they even acknowledged it instead of giving a generic response.
Hals viewers really dont like to "Like" streams though do they.
Of course Hal would be angry at those bad numbers. He's about to debut his FPS vtuber/streamer group this year after all.
>>15878125Anon, I'll fast forward their answer for you>your complaints were heard, now the polls won't be ahead of the displayed CCV anymoreHere is the code that fixed it> if displayed poll vote > displayed CCV * 0.737> displayed poll vote = displayed CCV * 0.737Then people will point out that poll vote freezes at 73.7% of the displayed CCV, and others will say it is "a conspiracy theory" and a coincidence
>>15878125Well it's something at least, not expecting a fix any time soon but the fires are starting to rise
>>15878200I too vote, rush to log into my alt account within the next minute, and vote again in a poll purely to add one vote and rig it
>>15877761>it gets sooo slow here when holos aren't getting numbers lollollmao
>>15878150She got flagged after the 24H marathon stream damn... and here I thought she was the salvation for JP 10ks
>There were probably more people watching than I thought.You think, Mori?
>>15878215The thought of Japanese Apex schizos turning on them has spurred them to action
>>15878187I mean it's kinda hard to take seriously when actual chuubas aren't talking about. No, Hal doesn't really count he just bitches about every little thing, like seething for days about tap strafe in APEX or losing RP for disconnecting. We need corpo chuubas speaking up
>>15878215It's been building. One or two outraged faggots? Can ignore. People learning that their PREMIUM accounts might not be counted properly? That gets some eyebrows. When you start to get hundreds of reports from all over though, someone needs to get called up though, and at that point it's "not my problem, let the tech guys figure out what the fuck they broke".
>>15878084Probably the only Indie that managed to beat Holo and Niji in ccv
>>15878199fuck you made me check
>>15878084He is extremely transparent on his numbers, he gave an entire rundown on the monetary logistics of VSaikyou. AND he owns a vtuber company that finished auditions and he and his team were wrapping up looking at applicants weeks ago. Of course he wants this issue to be fixed.
>>15877952Holo JP still uses Nico sometimes for a special event and Subaru and Aki have used Twicas. Friendly reminder Japan has their own streaming sites. So even if every Amerimutt streaming site went full blown Chink they would still be able to have their own shelters and move there.
>>15878271>realized after 1 yeardamn lol
>>15878246only takes 10 secs
>>15878200I voted on my phone, my ipad, my smartwatch, ran to my kitchen to vote on my connected fridge under 1 minute and ran again to vote on my Tesla.Thousands of hololive fans did the same as me. We are coordinated on discord.
>>15878313Can confirm, I did exactly that
>>15878299Hololive on Mildom let's fucking go!
>>15878230Thanks, I'll use that as an interview question
>>15878299NND is the worst website I've ever used. Would rather Holos start streaming on Dailymotion honestly.
New poll
>>15878125Holobrony cope
>>15878200>>15878313>>15878347I made all these posts. In fact i single handedly boosted all the polls with 2k+ votes with all my devices
>>15878313Why is it so hard for people to accept that some people just watch with two devices. One vote on PC and one vote with the phone in their hands to boost engagement. It's not that improbable
Numbers on this poll are nowhere near as dramatic
Hal your engagement numbers are shit. Your fans suck.
only 96% engagement this time
14k waiting for Laplus into 1k watching, I know there was always a drop before but it was never anywhere near this dramatic no?
>>15877533I'm a holofag, but even I have to admit ..MY KNEES, MY KNEES ARE BENDING ON THEIR OWN
Laplus final waiting room number
laplus' waiting room cull has to set a new record
>>15878448How long was it up for? He should have let it go for a bit longer
>>15878397>watch the same stream with two devices, one of them logged in on another account, and bothering voting twice even, consistently, across several different streamers on the platform
>>1587844896% engagement for a bunch of Apex normalfags is at least triple what you'd expect
That La+ cliff, holy shit
>>15878486only around 2 minutes
>>15878397If they did that how would youtube know they were the same person? It's 2 unique viewers at that point.
>>158784862 minutes and some seconds
Someone post the La+ Nike
ACCELERATE
>>15878397>some peopleWe are talking about streams that are 2k-4k even after the culling. Sure, maybe there is some guy who can pull off his phone under 1minutes, but there is no way that thousands of people did that under 1 minute. A lot of those viewers don’t even have a PC and are watching on their phone on bed and won’t vote.
>>15878526Stop engaging with retarded seriously jesus
>>15878548JESAS
>Irys has the most overlap with holoJP>afftected the most by the cullThis is not a coincidence. It started in holoJP and started spreading around like a virus.
Don't you dare imply that Gura is hit by the cull as hard as Pekora. Both of their last streams have the exact same length but Pekora has higher VOD views despite slightly lower CCV.Also Pekora had a Superchat readng part that dropped her views plus she doesn't have the massive archive viewers buff that Gura has.
>>15878548Capped at 6k incoming
>>15878448oh no no cull bros....
>>15878573please don't start this time loop again
>>15878573Stop copingThere is no culling
>Enter stream>Vote on the open poll with multiple accounts and devices>Leave a dozen likes and a dislike for good measure>Post in chat>Leave streamThis is how the average Holobrony box pusher behaves.
>>15878573Shut up zhang
>That chat speed for La+Holy shit
>>15878573interesting, nice catch
>>15878448You bet your ass he's gonna tweet out what his account recorded the peak CCV was after and it's gonna be closer to 7-8k.
Good morning spicschizo
>>15878647It’s incredible you’re staying up this late Flip.
>>15878041>FalseEyeD is already on the caseNo he's not. You will soon out he's no different from the likes of Hero Hei, Woolad, Quartering and all those other fags.
>>15878642Pekora has 433k views on this stream, Gura has 317k on her gta stream
>La+ delayed the stream half hour because she wants to win a gold with waiting room numbersHow calculating is she?
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478742434913955848https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478742434913955848Will there be some hope now?
>>15878647you forgot the part where i do the same for every niji, vspo and indie i knowand their roommatesat the same time
>>15878742Slowpoke-chama...
>>15878735Not at all, she was dying during the collab
>>15878448>2 minutes for 95% poll engagement>with an audience that wont even click Like on the streamyeah okay youtube
>>15878573See >>15872164
La+ chat speed looks like a 30k room at least
>>15878677what are hal's apex streams previous numbers
>>15878720>Nousagi bring up VODs copeHow the tables have turned
Laplus pls do a poll just for the numbers....
>>15878782Too many anomalies, that thing can only be taken at face level.
>>15878742Not until it gets bigger than at least the dislike button controversy considering susan said fuck you and still did it.tldr no /#/ is dead
>>15878760oh....i forgot to check the thread gomen
>>1587879014.5k waiting room would be 30k by now, instead it's 6k lmfao this is a joke
>>15878472Why would you say "but"? He thinks Guwa is cute. He has nothing against Holo, just because he's friends with Niji doesn't make him a tribalist.
>>15878790>all that emote spamyeah this is exactly why her stream displays 7k instead 30k
>>15878798near 10k before the suspicious late december
Just took a quick glance at the thread, so CCV peak is shown in the user's private dashboard but is inaccurate during the actual live stream?
>>15878125>we have just fixed the issue, now polls hide total votes and only show percentages
Does anyone have an edit pic to pekora viewership before and after the cull? I need it pls
>>15878915The actual number is only shown a few days later, and it's nowhere near the numbers that would be accurate
This could all be solved by not showing CCV publicly
>>15878915>so CCV peak is shown in the user's private dashboardProbably not, since ludwig showed his and it was the same as the one shown in playboard
>>15878915Yes. But I wonder whether it counts waiting room numbers as well for it
I know numbers are fucked, but is no one really going to make a daily tally? Who won today?
>>15878991Hal's showed highest concurrent viewers anon. It's in the part cutout in this screenshot
>>15878742yes, sure they will do something about it
>>15878975This will probably happen after what happened with the dislikes, it would still allows streamers to show their numbers to sponsorships
>>15878991Who knows, maybe they paid special attention to Ludwig’s channel considering they spent over 10m on him.
>>15878125PR response. Nothing will come out of it.
>>15878975color rankings
/#/ is getting botted I see.
I feel so bad for the low viwere chuubas, they dont deserve this...
>>15878448Still weird. No way you got that much of an engagement. 30% is the twitch average.
>>15879023Toya. Daily tally only happens after 1AM JST anyway
>>15879023What’s the point of a Tally anymore. There’s no feeling of victory over a fucked up number.
>>15878802I mean, that's what chumbuds have relied on all this time so it's only fair they get a taste of their own medicine, right?
>>15879082The confirms the theory that the numbers are low because no one watches the streams.
>>15879082time to cull
>>15878991The 最大同時視聴者数 part is the highest concurrent viewer count
>>15879035What are you even implying? Hal showed 700 concurrent viewers in the screenshot but implied the real numbers are higher. Which means the content creator sees the same peak as everyone else and youtube doesn't correct the ccv number for the creators
>>15877533i KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLRUU
>>15879023yeah that'd be like maintaining the scoreboard for the tennis tournament on the titanic as it's sinking, what's the flipping point?
>>15879023Toya goldGura silverIronmouse bronze
>>15878275>I mean it's kinda hard to take seriously when actual chuubas aren't talking about. No, Hal doesn't really count he just bitches about every little thing, like seething for days about tap strafe in APEX or losing RP for disconnecting. We need corpo chuubas speaking upWhy would they care?And don't say "Sponsorships".
>>15878573>vods viewsWait...i thought you guys told me it was irrelevant
jesas... just read the previous thread
Streams over 10k (05.01.2022 JST) Toya 19,789Gura 17,845Pekora 15,903Fubuki 11,988Debidebi 11,946Nijisanji 11,508Ratna 10,947Winners of the day#01 Chloe 39.2k#02 Korone 48.1k#03 Pekora 59.7k#04 Nijisanji 14k#05 Toya 19.7k
kek, send this back in time and ask numberfags to explain
>>15878991that's as it's going on, Mori mentioned seeing the same number on her end as the public number too. Hal's thing is that he's opening a stream that took place two days ago and it has a completely different number from when he was currently streaming.
>>15879152nvm, I didn't realize you were talking about the mahjong pic
>>15879106And its only fair you get called our for the hypocrisyBut either way Peko had a more solid average (discounting supacha, she had 14-15k)and Gura a higher peak, this doesn't prove shit other than Peko having has more views overall on that stream
>>15879159>Compare Twitchbots to Youtube cullling numbersFuck off
>>15879200
Haachama guerillaShould be intersting
>>15879152>Hal showed 700 concurrent viewers in the screenshotWhat screenshot? Definitely not in his latest tweet. He said the numbers are fucked and posted two screenshots of analytics. This one is posted with him saying that he didn't remember viewer count going above 2k
>>15879200wait a 14k was yesterdays gold? what the fuck
>>15878275Corpo chuubas can't really be that loud about it since it would be a major embarrassment if it by some miracle turned out it was bots being culled. Corpo people would prefer contacting YouTube directly and in private.
>the scales are falling off of everyone's eyes nowGuess who's laughing now huh? People who said the numbers weren't adding up right after Christmas were called coping schizos. Now? Pioneers.
>>15879263kanata waiting room took yesterdays gold with 18k
ENTER
>>15879044Then how would a sponsor know which streamer to choose if they don't have CCV to measure popularity? This fucks indies so bad and screws companies with microinfluencer sponsorship strategies.
>>15879143hm thats not the same page though, hes looking somewhere else in youtube
>>15878975Better yet make their own version of Bili points.
>>15879200>another day where you can't even make a top 10
>>15879284The fact they were right doesn't mean they aren't also coping schizos
>>15879263its a reality now. we will never get even 20k+ gold again
>>15879291Subs and views of course.
>number culling made /#/ the fastest threadwe've won... but at what cost?
>>15879291They should buy ads on youtube instead of doing sponsorships :^)))))
>>15879200>this faggot actually erased kanatas 17k from day 4kek the sad state
>>15877533Emperor of Numberkind, please save us!
With HAL's statement I am now pretty sure that the bug is just user validation being extremely slow. But no clue about why is it so and why it seems to be fucking vtubers especially
>>15879317>just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right
>>15879353No, just because you're right about one thing doesn't mean you aren't a schizo in general. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>>15879316At least we have a rank
>>15879328Personally i’m waiting to see who reaches 2view first. It’s still a free horse race but inverted.
laplus plateauing at half her waiting room lol
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!THEY HIT AMAMYA TOO! THOSE BASTARDS!She's usually on the 2k range! Sorry for laughing at your oshis anons!
Korekore is live and doing better than his average?
[GOOD NEWS] Youtube will now only show percentages on polls instead of total vote count
>>15879200Gozaru lost the battle against Susan
>>15879294Ludwig showed the real time stats which shows the same CCV for viewers and the streamer. Hal showed the stats for old live stream which seems to show the correct CCV.
>>15879455iroha no...
>>15879455Iroha... you were too cute for this cruel world
La+ went from 14k waiting to 1k watching, this is actually demented. They didn't even spare my nijiwife...
Join the membersheep unless you don't want Susan to fix the numbers fast
>>15879376cope, you schizos were screeching "Pakora" while people like me rationally explained its most likely a racially based cull, been saying it from the very beginning.
>>15879455Has anyone been hit worse than Iroha? I swear that this happens on all of her streams, and she was inclining so hard...
>>15879483I have my Jingisukan badge for a year of membersheep and I'm counted as a bot, sorry Watamage
>>15878720>nousagis are tourists and only stay for 30 seconds>chumbuds are dedicated viewers that stick around for a long timeI remember this exact thing being said in reverse when Pekora had higher CCV and lower VoD views
>>15879439>>15879480H*lolive needs to be quarantined away from the rest of the vtubing industry before it's too late. These two got hit because they interacted with h*lowhores before.
Gura’s recent GTA5 vod is really weird. It’s uncharacteristically low across the board and there’s not much of a reason for it from what I can tell honestly? I understand her VODs climb over the days yada yada but her views on the vid is climbing at a snails pace compared to even dbd and her likes are some of the lowest in recent memory. Kind of weird considering her numbers live were solid and her messages per min were really high as well.
>>15878782This doesn't take into account stream length though. Longer streams will have a higher unique chatters/avg ccv ratio.
>>15879480>from 14k waiting to 1k watching,bruhhhh
>>15879200>Nijisanji 11,508Wait, the noon show only got that? What does the anon who insisted people were just getting bored with it say now? This is obviously nonsense.
Since these threads have shown that twitch numbers are the only ones that can be trusted, I propose we restrict the topic of this thread exclusively to twitch numbers. Those who wish to discuss youtube's numbers and "the great cull" are welcome to make their own thread.
>>15878548similar to matuli and chammers stream today, 10k waiting room and it didn't go over 4.5k during the stream
>>15879526I mean there was a HoloX collabPeople will switch HoloX to Pekora and switch back to HoloXThat's why the Vod views are high
>>15879621>Since these threads have shown that twitch numbers are the only ones that can be trusted, I propose we restrict the topic of this thread exclusively to twitch numbers. Those who wish to discuss youtube's numbers and "the great cull" are welcome to make their own thread.This but unironically.
>>15879615>niji recline>bad guests>people are bored with ittake your pick and continue to pull the wool over your own eyes
>>15879621i agree with myself
>>15879621I propose you hang yourself.
It's 1am in Japan and by my count there's around 26k people apparently watching Nijisanji lmao
>>15879584It is lower than usual, and the viewer verification was pretty slow too considering it was only a 2.5 hours stream.
>>15879490>plural
>>15879455we need to start collecting screenshots of waiting rooms
>>15879690>>15879584She's playing through the boring parts of GTA, it should pick up again when she gets closer to the end
>>15879621Daily Tally ad infiniumVeibae NyannersIronmouseNimuVTThe Rest of the VSJ and Snuffy and they never break 20k unless collabing with huge clique streamers. There ive done your thread for you.
>>15879691>your shitty discords
>>15879675Holo is under 30k too
>>15879717i don't know about other people but i haven't had a chance to catch up with it yet since I'm still working
>>15879733I'll start
>>15879584It's a bit shorter than her usual GTA stream but it should still get to 350k-400k views after a while. Her GTA streams are clip behemoths so at least it'll generate that engagement.
>>15879584Her live numbers weren't that solid. She had a good peak because of the nonsense of her benny hill chase with the police kept bringing people in. This is why you shouldn't treat peaks as king, but I'm preaching to nonbelievers on that one.
>>15879717Yeah I get that. What I meant is more that her views typically drive up overnight and you see more of a “booming” vod, but it’s barely moved despite having much better numbers compared to dbd live. Not saying there’s anything suspicious going on, it just seems weird that there isn’t nearly as much activity considering there were some super clippable moments in the gta vod
>Chama failed to break 1kand started declining
How many "similar report" do you think they got? I only see three so far.https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478742434913955848https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478744025993732101https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478743141133996039
>>158795842 hours only what do you expected? People really just can't accept she also culled by half too and twice: 2020 and 2021. We don't really know her truth actually numbers since december 2020 but her vods are always above 300k
Pain
>>15879809youre seeing an unironic cull debuff, the numbers arent high so people are hype about the streamsalso january is always a bad month for youtube for whatever reason so theyre reclining AND being fucked for the double whammy
Some bloke picked up the mantle for doing the Holo songs rankinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTr1pWBmafE
>>15879852holoX seemed to just be fucking railed by it. poor Lui
>>15879591I think i did one with stream length and it look even more erratic. It just shows that active chatters tend to stay the whole stream. I’ll try other things tomorrow. Going to sleep for now.
>>15879865did the channel that normally does it die or something?
>>15879819jesas...
Not like this
>>15877533Emperor, I kneel
>>15879823Cover and Nijisanji private chat to Youtube, Feedback form, etc.
Feels like I'm back in 2019-2020 youtube. I know this is bad but it kinda feels cathartic somehow..
>>15879908he doesn't monetize them and is a bit broke rn
>I love you as long as you're not a parasocialShe loves me bros! She loves me!
>>15879865This guy already fucked it up since Target for Love isn't on the list at all, it should be somewhere in top 5 just by eyeballing it.
>>15879908Basically the channel owner needed to get his shit together, and since those videos were done without monetization, they were done out of love for the music and numbers (but weren't paying bills).So, on permanent hiatus until his shit is sorted.
>>15879854Yeah I can see that being a thing honestly. A lot of the EN tourists probably don’t even realize what’s happening so they see low(er) views and just decide to not check in on the streams. This goes for the others too obviously
>>15879947SONG RANKING BRO LOVE
one million in a little under 10 days
>>15879946If vtubers naturally reclined and we went back to the days of comfy chats and high numbers being a rare and well-deserved achievement I'd be fine with it, but now we have all the negatives and no positives
>>15879947>>15879979numberbro... i hope he finds his way
>>15879200Has any Niji member said anything about this cull (on stream or Twitter), or have it been only Holo, VSPo, VOMS and indies (i.e: HAL) who brought it up in public so far?
>>15879979>>15879947Is he actually stupid that he doesn't monetize his videos or would he get in trouble for monetizing hololive songs? Because if he could have monetized, what retard wouldn't when you get consistent 100k+ views for each video you shill out
>>15879997Very bad for Gura, but explained by:-shill debuf-cover of a song that has 200k fucking views so almost no song buff-Blue Archive took 300k views by reuploading to their EN and Korean channels (seriously what the fuck was the point of contracting her if not to get her audience watching)
>>158799979 days and 9 hours, to be precise
>>15880037Cover doesn't allow monetization and it would be claimed anyway
>>15880037You still see ads on the video and that ad will go to cover
>>15880037Copyright bots from those covers' originals
>>15879974https://youtu.be/FTr1pWBmafE?t=958that's next week's score, this one only covers up to the end of the year and appearently target for love is too new
This Gura dedicated JP clip channel is pulling some real views. Sometimes it will get like 4k on a video, sometimes it will randomly go viral to 50-100k.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCub__YBYmh7idd8biQyGgYg/about>89,464,137 views in totalHe's also competing with ANOTHER Gura dedicated clip channels that averages way more per clip but uploads lesshttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UChhcieZzdkZfECz4KWaxWMw/about>30 million viewsI'm surprised to see a "this holo only" channel get so much, let alone a EN to JP channel.
Chama 1k get!
>>15880145Gura cute, what else needs to be said?Cuteness transcends all.
>>15880054My theory is that she was intending to bring it up the day before and have the premiere properly put up for people to know and tune in but got thrown away because she cancelled the stream that day. Instead we got a random ass drop with literally zero promotion apart from the initial tweet and one single follow up comment on her next stream
>>15880155Chammer ... Not like this ...
>>15880145This kind of shit is why Hololive won't die even if they all moved to twitch
>>15879564It's not the chuubas its the fans getting flagged. You're better off blaming unityfags
>>15879951>unironic vshojofags in this thread
>>15880168No doubt she fumbled promoting it, but I still think the top issues are it being a shill song, leeched by multi channel uploading, and basically a Christmas themed song dropped on Christmas (people are fucking done with Christmas after 25th, this needed to come out way earlier).
>>15880155I'm staying in the trenches to help gather evidence to pressure YT to fix this shit but goddamn this is miserable to watch
>>15880090Just open a patreon bruh
>>15878790Going by the 2.25 rule she has about a 35k CCV.
>>15879823Well, it's more than we got in the last few days, so I'm on hopium now
>>15879951who what
* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *Here it goes>19,797: Toya (Nijisanji)>17,734: Gura (Hololive)>15,872: Pekora (Hololive)>12,091: Fubuki (Hololive)>11,954: DebiDebi (Nijisanji)>11,501: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)>10,577: Ratna (Nijisanji)Notice that these latest tallies are just an historical recollections of what happened because it has ZERO relation to the actual live viewership of the streams of the day.
>>15879823From randoms on Twitter? I've seen more than a dozen just by searching with "teamyoutube viewers" keywords, and I have no doubt there are actually more (i.e JP reports). Wouldn't be surprised if Cover and / or AnyKara have been asking them to have a look at the issue either
>>15880304I love it tallybro. Do put an asterisk on these for the future if this shit ever gets fixed. If not, well just make a note that the numbers were fucked starting from the start of the month.
>>15880090Cover does actually, monetizaiton via ads is in fact one of the few monetization methods that cover explicitly allows.
>>15880155I remember when Mumei got like 24k for a guerilla karaoke about a month or two ago.
FUCK YOU. You gave holoaids to Hakache too. How the fuck did she get it? I don't remember her interacting with h*lowhores before.
>>15880359all her viewers were botshow do i know?all me
Holobots i kneel
>>15880344>just make a note that the numbers were fucked starting from the start of the month.I'll just put that disclaimer from now on.
>>15880359vtuber community is one big orgy where you partner swap every day. If someone has HoloAIDs you're going to catch it eventually
>>15880304a-are we even getting a top 5 tomorrow?
>>15880386asus, your engagement...
>>15879823>I will report this issue everyday>Until you fix a problem autism
>>15880393Kek.KEK.
>>158803044 Niji : 3 Holo, another win for Niji organic viewers, both the crown and amount of streams above 10k.
poor laplus....karaoke reopen monetization stream can't even beat fubuki shiny hunt numbers...almost an hour and not even 1m yen sc
Someone REALLY loves being tribal huh.
>>15880359No, it's you faggot. It's the fans who are shadowbanned. You chose to watch a holo, a niji, vespo, or just fucking Apex. You're carrying the aids
>>15880386Wtf
>>15880304Even with the cullingQueens are still QueensKing are still...king?
La+ watch time is 3.3 minutes per viewHer average CCV would need to be at least 3 times higher to reach a normal watch time ratio
>>15880386>From 1M to 36K JESAS
Asus had a waiting room of 1m+ that was culled to 50khttps://i.imgur.com/oP3tnyi.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/gB3eMnO.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/CNgXesD.png
>>15880479Listening to her while playing a card game, guess that doesn't count.
>>15880447she got like a thousand members today, she will be fine
>>15880304Iroha...
>>15880386This is how the poll should be if it wasn't botted by.
>>15880483>https://i.imgur.com/oP3tnyi.jpg>>15880488Hahaha wtf
>>15880488broken af
>>15880447>not even 1m yen scShe only got demonetized for like a day lol, she's doing good considering
>>15880488Graduation when?
>>15880483>>15880488Asusbots I kneel
>>15880488Jesus
>>15880527I, too, have 20,000 logged in bot accounts lurking around 5000 streams 24/7 waiting for someone to put up a poll so I get to rig the results.Get on my level.
>>15880483Is it really 1 million? They're at 27k right now.
>>15878572irys also does the most karaoke/concert style stuff of the ENs, so if the emoji spamming is a cause then you would expect her to get hit pretty hard
>>15880488BOTS
>>15880488I wonder if it could be related to news sites embedding the stream vs people watching it on youtube.
>>15880488>>15880483kek
>>15878142still remember the numbers since it was hot topic back thenMiko MC Avg before 2020 cull(prime time): 27kMiko MC Avg before 2020 cull(late night): 20kMiko MC Avg after cull early 2021(prime time): 15kMiko MC Avg after cull early 2021(late night): 10kYT fuck up and Miko late night guerilla MC on Twitch: 17284which is a reasonable number since not all japanese willing to watch on twitch17k is very close to the 20k she usually has and it already exceeded her median at the timenow just wait for her to use twitch so we can compare the current numbers:Miko MC Avg before 2021 cull: 24kMiko MC Avg after 2021 cull: 7kMiko Twitch Watchalong: 7kPekora on the other hand we don't have much datashe played MC like once but it has shit number because it was hardcore modeduring the time hardcore was done to death by holomems and everyone got shit number on it except Mikobut I can already see a easy 40k if she does a normal MC nowrememeber her unculled MC are at least 50k back in 2020
>>15880242Cope
>La+ 6k ccv but 17k likes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeEXqClMSRE27k views with slow as fuck chat. Damn, Laplus has faster chat than that
>>15880483this is what happens when you hire too many pajeets
Chink dictionary bots are more human than me
>>15880488Is Asus big enough to raise a stink about it that Susan will pay attention to?
youtubros.....
>>15880657To be fair I doubt average viewers watching massive cooperate reveals would chat to begin with
>>15880649Pekora got somewhere around 18k with an unscheduled Twitch Minecraft stream that she only announced on Twitter as it started
>>15880679They areWill they though? That's another story
>>15880488ASUS...my poor, poor ASUS...
>>15880679if they went apeshit,yes. kinda looks bad for business if people suspects you are using shit load of bots.
>>15880679I doubt they'll even notice
>>15880488Start concerntweeting about this while tagging youtube
>>15879243Yeah cause Holobros would never fake accounts.
>>15880679You're thinking this wrong. What you should do is raise a stink that Asus is botting with that 1M waiting room. Force Asus to confront YT directly.
>>15880488Hypothetically if CCVID is contagious, and enough Hololive viewers watched Asus' CES presentation, would that make it a superspreader event that transmits it to a million people
>>15880657>27kThat's literally low for a brand like chinksusmf raided twitch thots have more ccv than this....inb4 youtube actually does something forr Asus.
>>15880155let me show you a simple comparison between today's collab between chammers and matsuri and the collab between chammers and suisei back in September and please do tell me what you think:>haachama X suisei:it had a peak CCV of 20,114it's currently sitting at 211,324 VOD views and has 15k likes.>Total number of chats: 22259>Number of chats (Japanese): 14378>Number of chats (stamp): 4713>Number of chats (English): 3438>Number of unique users: 2864>Number of unique members: 587>haachama X matuli collab:the ACTUAL peak CCV during stream was 4,505It's currently sitting on 210,779 views only after 5.5 hours of the stream ending with 19K likes, the stream started with about 4K likes and ended up with 17K>Total number of chats: 14487>Number of chats (Japanese): 9698>Number of chats (stamp): 3019>Number of chats (English): 1770>Number of unique users: 2468>Number of unique members: 562so with the exception of CCV as well as number of chats, the stats are pretty much the same, you could even say that the later stream should've had higher CCV.while the collab with suisei had 4.85 comments per second and the collab with matuli had 3.91, the collab with suisei was 17 minutes longer which nets close to 5k comments more so the total amount of chats should make sense, which means the only thing that varied a lot is the CCV
>>15880787It is. Asus had 1M waiting room for that stream
https://twitter.com/kureijiollie/status/1478768170433323008
>>15880803King no more... even within his own company
>>15880775This, let them fight.It's either asus confess they are using bots or youtube confirms they are doing a shit job.
>>15880679Not by itself, if this can be twisted into “ASUS bots their conferences lololol” and make raddit front pages maybe it’ll start mattering to them enough to get to the bottom of it.
>>15880803King...
>>15880803King... my poor King...
>>15880479 (me)Koyori 2.5 min/viewHer average CCV would need to be at least 4 time to get a minimum of 10 min/view
>>15880803Is it time to send Kuzuha on a boat to a deserted island while singing KING in an Apex tournament?
>>158804884k views kek
>>15880803144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k
Looks like Minecraft made everything worse again. Koyo at 6.3k likes, Lap at 18k likes.
>>15880803he's no king until he does the poll
>>15880821Based. Need more people tweeting about it.
>>15880821>she thinks it's only 50% declinengmi
>>15880803Kuzuha is within Mysta mogging territory now
>>15880962La+ is a massive vector. She has a lot of nijifans who watch her and only her out of hololive. Suisei too. Towa poisoned the APEX scene with her live. Also Iroha is getting hit the hardest makes me think she is liked by holofans that get around.
>>15880962Look at those drops. Over 1000 Plusmates turned into bots in one stream
>>15879733>NimuVTIs not first half of 2021 anymore anonIs been ages since she has beaten even a JP holo before the cull.Unironically it can occur the same for vshojo because, if we go by nimu, the clique buff can wear off.
6/7 current Holo JP streams are well below their waiting room numbers, this is getting worse and worse every day
>>15881013>Susan is destroying vtubers so hard and ignoring ManjisanjiEN>now ManjisanjiEN is black shipping their JP counterpartsI'm fucking dying here. There is humor in this calamity
>>15881043FUCK
>>15881037i only know the big 3 of VSJ are doing 5 digits these days and I knew Nimu reclined but i was unsure if she reclined below other VSJ girls and Snuffy at this point.
>>15880821>"y-you guys are retarded schizos and there is a reason why everyone wishes your deaths every time you show up">shit like this starts happening and people are waking upThe rest of the board will kneel.
>>15881037the top vshojos were already hitting 10k+ months before they collabed with mizkif and co
>>15881043im gonna fucking kyoani susanin minecraft
>>15881013My kuzuha vs orange kuzuha time loop joke is coming true?
This is it. Susan is putting an end to JP vtubers. They were too much of a threat to western whores and will be buried from now on.
>>15881043all I see are Nikes everywhere
>>15880888 (me)Polka 8 min/viewFlare 7 min/viewThey are at the 2h mark. My guess if that the average CCV should be about 1.5 to 2 times higher
>>15881013Mysta is truly Kuzuha killer
>>15880428rip kuzuhachin will try to continue your legacybecause your people already left you for dead
The real reason behind the culling is that Susan plans to debut as a vtuber and needs to remove the competitionShe will be the gura killer
>>15881043How should we name this? Cullvid?
>>15881087The time has come to rename the board /#/.
all hail veibae
>>15880962>people suspected lap was an undercover niji agent sent to destroy hololive from the inside>actually an undercover holo agent sent to destroy nijinigger viewers
>>15881087It's incredibly hard to wake normies up to anything going on that doesn't fit into their preconceived narratives. Look at Pizzagate.
>>15881062Take it as a case study on WHY their numbers seem okay. No overlap with holofans? No overlap with anyone? No emotes to spam? NijiEN girls seem to be having a tough time. Manjisanji EN is unironically the best place to monitor things since it seems like everyone but them are getting fucked harder and harder.
>>15881149She'll be a 1k ccv chuuba, so Susan will continue the cull until Gura is below that number.
>>15881152CCVID-22
>>15881167They only way sluts could win is when the overlords put their hand on the scales.
>>15881089horse shit Veibae until December didnt have anywhere near a 10k average and didnt hit 10k average in until late december her average post VSJ was 6k inclining to 8k before December. Similar results with Nyanners except with her average an incline of 7k to 9k before December blasted it off and Ironmouse with 7-8k before the Late December incline. Fuck off with your garbage.
>>15881037it all depends on if the vwhorejos are guest stars or permanent fixtures in the cliqueveibae seems like shes willing and capable of getting fully integrated, not sure about the others
Pekkers and Migo need to big dick this and show us the numbers are still there. Just a stream or two on twitch won't hurt. Maybe have Same-chan and Watson do some twitch streams too.
>>15881224He didn't mention average
>>15881200It started in December 2021 like covid in December 2019
>>15881131 (me)Kanata 2.5 min/view (Avg CCV -> 4x)Haachama 1.6 min/view (Avg CCV -> 6x)
>>15880488roru
How many of you have watched your oshi less because of the cull showing less ccv, or outright stop watching them? It feels horrible to feel attached to a declining entity, however artificial and defunct the measurements are. I also hear this sentiment echoed in various social media.
>>15881224kek when the fuck did we move the goalposts to monthly average?nyanners & co hit 10k+ frequently since like last spring, you can very easily look that up
>>15881306If everyone is declining, no one is declining
>>15881306kys
>>15881306Absolutely states of Nousagis
>>15881306it makes sense but I will not stop watching Suisei no matter what happens
>>15881287jesas 6x? so you're telling me that haachama should be at 6k avg ccv right now? a peak should be at least 8 then?
how do you explain this retards? stop making shit up
So about Gura recent GTA stream, i notice her tweet got half amount of like compare to the DBD stream tweet, so it seem more like a inconsistently in viewer
*turns you into a bot*
>>15881306that's not how it works retard
>>15881306I would watch her every stream even if I was the only viewer, the problem is the casuals do subconsciously feel that way if the numbers go down
>>15881375FBK was getting 40k for Pokemon a couple of weeks ago retard
>>15881306I legitimately only look at numbers here my second monitor is full screened on my oshi so I dont see their numbers, if you are having full cope you can do what that one anon did last night and use your adblock and block your oshis viewcount element with it lmao
>>15881402That’s exactly how it works, bandwagoning is a real thing.
>>15881306The opposite. I am watching more streams from different streamers based on interest rather than just monitoring the biggest stream of the day.
>>15881306Who's your oshi?Peko?
>>15881375>Fubuki CCV drops by 80%>Haha if the cull is real explain this!???
>>15881287is this constant among all streams since the cull? or is this for the streams happening right now?
>>15881306i feel you, i mean i started watching gura because she was the number 1, the best, if for some reason she is not anymore i will stop watching, and fuck whoever tells me i'm wrong because everyone here is a numberfag and to me numbers are THAT important, i only watch the people with more views
>>15881306My only worry is that it could hurt her motivation.
>>15881306Pakora...
>>15881306It's the opposite anon, i started to watch more streams other than my oshi now
>>15881458Chammers and NeneI found myself anxiously staring at the ccv praying they reach 1k asap rather than the stream itself, its sucked the enjoyment out.
>>15881306Nah, I watch every stream I can and if I can't I try to catch the vod. This change/bug/pajeet coding is annoying as fuck, but I don't watch my oshi because of the numbers.
>>15881467>>15881436there, i forgot the likes like a retard, 9k with 11k likes looks normal to me, you are all just talking out of your asses
>>15881351>>15881458>>15881520Retard
Who was patient zero of the cull virus?
>>15881541>Having more likes than CCV is normalRetard
>>15881528anon all we can do is cope until it's fixed, chammers is also my oshi but I read >>15881287 and >>15880794 and immediately felt better ngl
>Shirakami 9k shiny huntBros? Do you think Susan is punishing vtubers for the silly fox getting 3+ million watch hours in December?
>>15881477I hate to break it to you anon, but until YouTube is fixed, you're a Vshojo fan now
>>15881597Kanae
>>15881541the absoulte state of sea education
I am not a numberfag but I noticed that live viewer counts have been unusally low recently even for the big ones. What is the reason for this?
>>15881608>Yesterday's gold is ToyaNah he's a Nijifan now.
>>15880821based indogs
>>15881666
>>15881284Yeah, but making it 21 makes it seem like it's THE major happening for the year. 22 felt more appropriate.
>>15881541Fubuki has a like rate of 4.1%extrapolating her that means there were 268k viewers so far.Meaning she circled her 10k average nearly 27 times entirely
>>15881666half a billion people died of covid
>>15881666Scroll up you illiterate fuck
>>15881666Cover got caught using viewbots
>>15881685
>>15881632>he actually clicked on ludwig and valk links
If we want a live drama about this...Kiara is about to stream soon and the waiting room is barely 2k.
Please tell me you aren’t actually mentally affected by what shiny digits e-girls have for show? This has to be people larping as concernfags, I refuse to believe anons are THAT low.
>>15881527yes, for me it's just calling out pajeet for their shitty works.
>>15879865This channel has a fuck ton more data on the videos so numberfags can appreciate it more.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy5LRYgjqycofouDpL1D9OQMost recent video for holo originals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOl3lGx25e4
>>15881713So you're saying the catalog is going to be 80% screenshots of Kiara with 150 viewers once the schizos notice
>>15881737I can't get an erection if I don't see a stream over 30k. I haven't been able to jack it for 3 days now
>>15881737its a mixed bag honestly. my only concern comes from do the girls even give a fuck from my favorites. other than that im just interested to see how far it spreads and if it gets worse.
>>15881380She's probably just declining at the same as all of this is going on. It was inevitable given that she's not a particularly good streamer.
thoughts on this post's explanation? >>15881347
>>15881737anon, if you are paying to use a service, you would expect them to be less buggy.
>>15881737Anon... , do (you) expect schizo to watch stream?
>>15881746Too bad it's in Chinese
Anya/Ollie tweeting about it is worse than I thought.It means Cover isn't on it, their managers aren't talking to their talent about it.
>>15881737I treat number shit like sports, of course I'm gonna be pissed when everything has aids, where I can see 5 touchdowns being counted as 14 points. My love for numbers and my love for vtubers is a very different thing. I only hope that her numbers aren't bothering the ones I like.
>>15881801Probably what's happening, but doesn't explain why culls are getting stronger, effected vtubers especially and started spreading like a virus
>>15881801It's possible based on Hal's tweets earlier, but also incredibly retarded that they'd show a known-incorrect count to everyone during the stream when only the channel owner can actually look up a maybe-correct one later
>>15881879If Cover doesn't have a team of professional numberfaggers tracking analytics they're incompetent.
>3k waiting room>culled to 1kweird, I expected worse for Kiara
>>15881801Matches up what Hal was complaining about. He was complaining that the CCV data for old videos was much higher than what he saw live.
I think VODs are getting culled too, just not to the same degree
>>15881924EN isn't as affected as JP due to the higher level of normalfags and tourists who watch them.
>>15881879tell me one time ollie listened to her manager's pleads to not be a dumbass whore
>>15881924>chat is still mostly gooksWere the koreans always the answer?
>>15881879Small indie company pls understand, they won't do shit unless a girl breaks down on stream
>>15881917They don't even have enough people to mod the girls' channel anon ...
>>15881801Doesn't explain why only some people are heavily and consistently effected whereas normalfag streamers aren't.
>>15881924The cull doesn't hurt EN's as bad as JPs. But the stream only just started, so we'll see the real damage in about 30 mins.
>>15881917yes
>>15881966What did I miss. Why so many?
>>15881879The JP girls know what is going on and have brought up the nonsense. Only HoloEN is silent on it.
>>15881924After todays Iroha 12k to 2k and La+ 14k to 2k you might even say Kiara is not affected at all kek
>>15881903vtuber watchers for some reason are all getting tagged for the verification process, maybe. Because their system is shit and gave them ccvid for some reason
>>15881879We already had several Holo JP said that they know about it anon
>>15881367It depends of how her watch time was like before. I'm guessing 10 min/view for streams near 1h of duration>>15881475For streams happening right now. A few months ago the expected watch time would be something between 10 to 20 minutes per view. Those values bellow 5 minutes are something that started happening in the last weeksLooking at the ratio between minutes watched and view helps to find problems with CCV or view counterToo high -> problem with the viewsToo low -> problem with the CCV
>>15882013Kiara asked for more koreans to come visit her stream. it got clipped by a korean clipper and it went sort of viral.
>>15881960>higher level of normalfags and touristsThat would be for Gura anonThe rest of EN is not normalfag attractor
>>15882013She commented on a very popular KR clip channel and they all fell in love with her.
>>15882028Calli even made a poll on her stream today to see how bad the cull is
>>15881972Cover and Anycolor are 50 million dollar companies at best, you really think they could do anything against youtube?
>>15881978I think it's just shitty algo anon.the flagging mechanism just over aggresively flag emotes user as bots.since I think this is the most glaring differences between normie channel and chuubas.
>>15881666A large number of legitimate viewers (30-90% depending on the chuuba) are discarded and not counted. Nobody knows why, people speculate that they are flagged as bots due to bot-like behavior (spamming emotes, watching multiple streams at once, etc.). This started happening after Christmas and affects everyone on Youtube, but vtubers are affected disproportionally harder, especially HoloJP and some indies.
>>15881960EN isn't as affected because they were already being culled heavily, tourist.
>>15879997I doubt the archive people even care, 1 million for something sponsored is a big win
>>15881801>thoughts on this post's explanation?It's retarded. Any system that pretends to show the "live viewership" but it is not the real live viewership is defective by design, it doesn't matter if there is the "real live viewership" report buried somewhere
>>15880488HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHI am unironically giddy and laughing at this shitshow.Can't wait for the eventual reckoning because oh boy is this gonna get into some clickbait headline eventuallyMeanwhile, let's see just how far we can spread the holoaids boysstart watching every single big stream for 30s, let's make this a "super spreader event" as the boomers call it
>>15882065please do enlighten me anon, how can I find out the watch time exactly? I don't understand the min/view that you're talking about
>>15882200Both EN and JP were culled last year, JP to a lesser extent. Stop leaving out the part where HoloJP and Nijisanji lost 20%-30% of their viewers too.
>>15882153the pajeets at YouTube probably just took datasets without context and call it a day.hence emote spamming in vtuber = bots
Kiara already recovered her waiting room numbers
>>15882135>the flagging mechanism just over aggresively flag emotes user as bots.It's not "emotes user as bots", do you really think Shibuya Hal APEX audience is spamming emotes?For fuck sake, VERSEn audience is getting culled from 150 to 50 CCV. Are 100 people spamming enough emotes to get caught in some anti spam?
>Kanata 2k Mario KartWTF
>>15882095>popular KR clip channelwhich one?
>>15882232supposed avg watch time = (avg ccv/total views)*total timethat is assuming ccv is right, and that total views were not still processing by the time the video ends (or, if you want to take an old video, that those total views have no late vod watchers)
>>15882261VERSEn.....aaaaaagh why do I feel bad for corp chuubas who fail for no fault of their own aaaaagh. I wonder how they feel being culled to 2views
>>15882350One of them rejecting HoloX to join Sony is my favorite rrat
14k binding of isaac veibae
>>15882261>For fuck sake, VERSEn audience is getting culled from 150 to 50 CCV. Are 100 people spamming enough emotes to get caught in some anti spam?For fucks sake idiot, you don't have to spam emtoes in VERSE's chat to get flagged as a bot. You go into some holo/niji karaoke, you spam some emotes, boom you're a bot. You go watch VERSE? you're still a bot
>>15882261>holofag spams like a nigger in holo streams>watches streams from Nijisanji or others 'cause he's bored>behaves himself to an extent but has too high of an engagement rate>youtube algorithm thinks he is in good company so other people behaving normally in chats the holofag participates in start looking like bots to youtubeThis is all hololive's fault.
>>15882261or even worse anon. their AI mark non-alphabetical as bot at some point
Did Kiara do any polls? Of any of EN she seems the most receptive to investigating her numbers through various means
>>15882427Nobody cares about twitch bots numbers
>Kiara at 4k
>>15882455She did one at the beginning of this streamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmc9jBtG7K0
>4K Guess Susan decided to be benevolent with chikim
>>15882455kiara, mori, ame, bae and probably others have done polls recently yes
>>15882529LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Jesas how massive a buff is deathloop that Kiara is getting 4k?
>>15882535Tenchou I kneel....She's mid tier Holo all along
>>15882581KFP have been waiting for her to play a FPS for a very long time.
its kiaras first fps game i think, so slight buff there i guess?
>>15882535Proof that no cull affects EN at all. It makes sense since none of the small corpo vtubers or NijiEN vtubers are getting culled either.
>>15882535Beating your own waiting room numbers is very impressive nowadays. Good job KFPbros
>>15882437Yeah, it makes sense. a full third of Verse audience, across the board, is emoji spammers in Niji/Holo streams.Same thing for Hal, for some reason half of his APEX pretty much nip only audience is also hysteric emoji spammer on Holo/Niji streams.Same for VSPO, same across the whole vtuber field: a third to half of the audience of streamers as dispar as Kanae, Kuzuha, Lize, Hal, Beni, Tachibana, Verse 2 views, they all double as emoji spammers at Holo/Niji streams.That makes more sense than Youtube shitting the bed and having a widespread problem with the way they count CCV, right
>>15882622There is no culling for JP either
>>15882622>Proof that no cull affects EN at allBegone with your dogshit bait
Holofags, time to watch the Nijimales for a day or two.We can't let them be the only guys not having fun ~
>>15882622>none of the small corpo vtubers or NijiEN vtubers are getting culled either.Except, of course, for Rosemi
>>15882454Kek, utf codes for the majority of kanji and the hanji are the same if I remember correctly. This rrat has a non 0 percent chance of being true
>>15882658Yes, Nijis and Holos are the backbone of vtubing and all other vtubers are literally only getting numbers by the grace of holofags and nijiniggers taking an interest in their asses.
>>15882685Is this a call for a raid? Janny, I need you.
>>15882658Don't forget 950,000 of the people who tuned in to watch Asus' CES presentation also regularly spam glowstick emotes in Hololive streams
>>15882691Doesn't rosemi live in Japan
>>15882232Watched time in minutes divided by the amount of views. That's the average time spent in each view session.The expected time for each view is +10 minutes. When this number is too low it means that the CCV is fucked.Average CCV * duration / viewsYou can find the data on Holostats and Livecount
>>15882622retard
>>15882529
>>1588154111k likes is normal for a 16-17k stream by holo standardsfoobs is getting at least a 40% cull
>>15882620Is pretty much the same number she got for her last stream on sunday.It will be funny if it is due her korean fanbase....actually...didn't Kronii got her usual Hades numbers on her last stream?And she also panders to koreans
>>15882715No, she's in Canada
>>15882571>here you see the specimen of an average twitchtard
>>15882685not gonna work, beggar
I wonder how much this entire crapshoot is benefiting Twitch, it must be like a second Christmas present for them
>>15882719NijiEN, Phase Connect, Prism, Cyberlive, Kawaii etc did not experience and viewer drop between November 20 to December of 20
>>15882716when's the best time to take the views? right after the stream ends? an hour after?
we are finally hereseveral 2views got culled and become 0view with moving chat>https://twitter.com/batahan1/status/1478738720648232967>https://twitter.com/hajikko_pen/status/1478743199669960704
>>15882755it was less than her last Hades stream which was quite awhile ago but similar to her Diablo 2 numbers id say which are more recent. Oddly she gets just as much viewers for SC reading streams, people just arent that interested in watching her fumble around ARPGs and are just there for her I suppose.
>>15882838get them to provide graphical proof, anecdotes won't get anything through
>>15882135Anon, there are literally people in this thread who cannot leave comments, because they didn't attach channels to their accounts, yet they're still getting culled. Emote theory was always wrong, even back in Coco days when she was parroting it. Emotes might be a contributing factor, but they're far from the only things that matters.
>>15882693we are talking about pajeet engineering after all. for all I know their model might just consider western alphanumeric as "valid"
>>15882620Pretty big buff. You can see her like to view ratio is past 100% too.
>>15882334This is the clip with Kiara asking Koreans to watch streams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2sEmbFpdAcThis is the clip where she commented https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1K-yLIrI8Same channel.
>>15882838kek
>OH NO NO NO HAHAHAHASorry "King", 7k is for winners! Matome lads were joking that Kuzuha was doing Hololive a solid by streaming and proving it is *not* a localized problem
>>158828380views...
>>15882951I can't save them... because I am culled...
I don’t' think we can prove it but it seems to be getting worse overtime. How low can the big hitters go? Can we get Pekora/Gura under 1K? It would actually be better if they go that low. A 30% drop might be fans leaving. A 95% drop is just fuckery
>>15882975finally you understand
>>15882945The NYE nijisanji events really threw the scent off for many people. The decay Hololive feels in about 4-5 days ahead of everyone else.
>>15882945Hal spread the holoaids that he caught from Towa to him
DrDisrespect is streaming in 10 minutes and has a waiting room up. Can we get a checkmark graph off of him too?
>>15882945NijiEN Males will mog him in 2-3days time
Is this a regional thing? Has anyone outside japan or asia been affected by this?
>>15882895>even back in Coco days when she was parroting itIt was never her who said it and it wasn't her chat either, I don't know where that talk is coming from. Her chat tested out a lot of things but it always had to with specific characters being used in either messages or names, like sometimes having "i" in your name made it disappear, the next day it'd be some other character and none of it seemed to have any logic behind it. There was even a period where there were safe words like "neko" or "peko" where you could use them at the end of your message and it would show up no matter what.
>>15883107what if some apexautist is pacient zero instead? Hal and vspo are as fucked as holos. In fact didnt VSPO do a few big relays as well?
>>15882975Just make a new accountIronically doing the exact thing actual bots and spammers would do fixes the problem
>>15883180>>15882691
>>15882945>Kuzuha is within reasonable boundarys to be passed by fucking Mysta at this rate
>>15883186EN one year ago
4.7k for Kiara so far. So the cull has had nearly no visible effect on Kiara this time around. Other EN girls seem to have been mildly hit, but Kiara seem to have almost fully dodged it.
>>15883133HIs waiting room is a little anemic tho
>>15883289Korea buff
>>15881978Normies are affected. Most streamers are down 50% or more with few exceptions, such as NijiEN.
>>15883251Mysta deserves it desu.he panders insanely hard
>>15883291Damn that's a good thumbnail
>>15883186>It was never her who said it and it wasn't her chat either, I don't know where that talk is coming from.nta, but please, I remember coco saying that directly in the stream
>>15882838At least it keeps getting worse and worse
>>15883289she was getting 4ks with that shit alice game before
>>15883344some pajeet is gonna get fired for this
Kiara also doing the poll meta right now
Lets go polls
kiara poll
Lol Kiara with the poll: are you here? 1) yes 2) yes. But really if she want's maximum engagement she should have used something spicer like: Ametori or Takamori?
>>15883337Must have been just reading out a chat message then. As far as I remember she always said she had no idea what it was about. Besides, her chat post-spambot used emoticons A LOT and they would've definitely done it less if they had been told such a thing.
75% engagement in 1 minute
>>15883133Graph? No
>>15883449Chikim is so strong now
It's not emotes or chat at all, or at least, not only chat. Several anons reported being turned into a ghost on accounts that have never chatted or commented once.
CCV get on the poll
100%+ poll get
Over 100% engagement on Kiara's poll in about 2 minutes
100% engagement GET
>>15883322It's spreading...I'm more certain now (but not 100%) that whoever the fuck set the parameters on this AI added some shitty 'association clause' to try and catch other bot accounts, an it's turned it into a fucking spreadable 'virus'. Only way I can see this having spread so far, so fast. You spam emotes or 'Kusa' or stock phrases alongside someone who's been 'culled'? Congrats, you're now the proud owner of '1' culling and can now spread it to others. It'd explain how it got around so fast, and its also just stupid enough that I could see some underpaid/overworked faggot in the basement shipping it before Christmas break, with the Hololive Karaoke relay spreading it amongst oh so goddamn many people who then spread it far and wide.
Almost exactly 2 minutes
It took 2 minutes too surpass.Kiara didn't get hit very hard.
and more votes than viewers in 2 minutes, and this is after 41 minutes into the stream
>>15883435"Are you here?" "yes" "yes" is word for word a copy pasta of what Hinano did for her poll, she's definitely throwing rocks
kiara poll doesnt fucking say how long ago, am I the only one???
>>15882838HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>15883531click on it anon
>>15883531Open the poll anon
>>158835311. You have to expand it2. She's displaying it on her screen, blindchama
>>15883518>>15883522no cull confirmed?
>>15883531The time appears when you click the 3 buttons.
>>15883531Yes it says how long on mine, your youtube is fucked up or on a phone or something.
>>15883572Are you retarded?
>>15883572I don't think you understand that a 100% engagement poll is nigh impossible
>>15883572holy retarded
So we're thinking about 7k real CCV for Kiara? That honestly seems higher than normal for her.
>>15883572anon are you stupid
>>15883508they work for youtube anon. they are not underpaid/overworked but still an incompetent faggot.
>>15883567to be fair he has like 20 pixels on that stream
>>15883609>1st FPS>Later than her normal streams, burgers can actually watch
TAKE SCREENSHOTS YOU DUMB CUNTS
6 minutes in, 6800 votes vs 4600 viewers
>>15883605I mean this is a special case right? Some normies are aware of the cull now. Besides a 1k discrepancy between poll and ccv has been around since last year
>>15883508Anon the dude who wrote this probably earns 200k/year + stock and has unlimited PTO.
>>15883605I just voted in the poll and left a like after watching for 10 seconds. It's very possible.
>>15883649it's me and my 1500 fridges, sorry to disappoint you numberfags
>>15883609Not really? She was under a cull before, too, just not as much.
>>15883609She's just about to hit 7k on her poll. If that's 100% engagement of her real "viewers" it would go against conventional Youtube wisdom. I think 7k is the floor; I'd bet it's higher and probably always has been since December 2020.
>>15883609She was hit by the cull last year. Her real CCV has almost been much higher than whats shown.
hey anons, what does it mean when your unique users number is higher than the peak ccv in your stream?
>6.5k votes 5 minSo she is getting culled by only 2k going by Pikamee's average view time.
>>15883649>>15883667>>15883677This would perfectly explain why her viewer retention is low.
>>15883609New game+ new costume+ new KR , seem normal to her
>>15883667>>15883649>in b4 hurr hurr "people vote and leave"
So what's the ideal cutoff time for a poll before it starts to count the user churn
>>15883704I have never seen a poll on Twitch get more than 50% engagement, what amkes them so different from YouTube's?
>>15883613Well, if they're salaried they could be 'overworked' if they're not the highest in the heirachy, but yes underpaid they're not, since y'know, google. Yea, Kiara's been hit, probably missing a good 3kish viewers from the CCV.
>>15883133He started 1 minute late with a waiting room peak of 3.6kHe recovered it in 2.5 minutes
>>15883719Her likes and VOD views have always been in line with reported CCV.
Kek, imagine getting mogged by Kiara of all people
>>15883133>DrDisrespectMade his waiting room back easy peasy, no different from how vtubers made back in the days.His auidience is **this** low tho? What's the hype then? He would be Luna tier at best
>>158837533-4 minutes really.
>>15883696That just makes it worse, I was trying to invent some corner case where they could at least be forgiven due to crunch, but ..yea, Google.
>>15883757Tab out is still counted as a view ?
>>15883786I've said it before and I will say it again. Kiara is a mid-tier Holo and so are the HoloStars. They should have around 3k+ CCV without the arbitrary culling rules.
>>15883753in my opinion it's best to keep it under the 2min mark to really prove the point
>>15883757Twitch counts people who are tabbed out, muted ect in the live views. Also supposedly it goes to the opposite extreme of youtube and basically doesn't cull any bots.
>>15883649>>15883667I kneel, numberchicken
>>15883831They are not, but embedded viewers are
>>15883704I didn't vote btw, not even logged in lol
>>15883722anon, search the normal engagement rate for these kind of polls. About 30%
>>15883797>His auidience is **this** low tho? What's the hype then? He would be Luna tier at bestIf the Holos were on Twitch they'd all be in the top 0.01%. Even Aki Rose and Mel.
>>15883831Anon, it's not just that 100% participation on a poll is UNHEARD off in any sort of poll be it in person, election poll, even Saddam Hussein and Bashar Al Assad had the decency of winning by less than 90% of the vote with way less than 70% of poll attendance on election day.In real life I only say two cases of more people than eligible voters showing up to polls and actually being allowed to cast a vote, with one of those being fraudulent elections in Africa
>>15883850Holostars audience other than occasionally Astel and Roberu have always been very small, even pre-cull 2020. Those two guys are in the tier of like, low end ID and the very bottom JPs (Mel, Choco, Roboco) doing debuff content.
Pekora really should celebrate her birthday on twitch. It will be be too painful to see numbers bunny not getting even 20k on birthday stream on YT.
>>15883753Average watch time is about 4 minutes so that's the upper bound. 2-3 mins is ideal.
>>15883897Isn't the 30% thing just some random result that pops up in a google search? No one has really done a study for youtube especially holos right?
Did Kiara complain about it?
>>15883938>>15883850just check their vod views
>>15883935true. in a real life situation 100% participation is just not possible. so if a poll reaches this number some fuckery is happening.
>>15883775Last years cull hit all of EN the hardest but also affected JP's. Everyones real CCV has been fucked since last year. So Her likes and vod views might be inline with everyone else, but everyone's CCV is also fucked.
>>15883965People have brought up Twitch polls as comparison. Not sure if I've seen any actual data or screencaps from those however. But whatever the case, I'd find even 80% participation highly suspect, and we're looking at way more than that.
>>15883971Wondering the same, why did she start a poll? For the exact reason we hope she did?
>>15883921Dont forget if the holos (or honestly, anyone streaming on YT at this time) were on twitch, rather than a 30-40% culling, they'd be getting a 50-60% boost
>>15883859If you mute it on the twitch player the tab eventually becomes inactive and no longer counts towards views. The way around it is to mute the tab itself and not the player.
>>15884083There's got to be a not insignificant number of people who watch on devices that can't interact with the poll like consoles and smart TVs
>>15883965Anon this stuff has been studied for decades, scientist will literally die of joy if you can show them the method to get this kind engagements
>>15884107Selen streams on twitch regularly and gets the same amount of viewers she gets on yt (before the current cull).
>>15884102She didn't explain but the reasoning is obvious from how the poll was literally just asking if you were present.
>>15884102Anon.....Why else would she fucking do a poll WITH THOSE CHOICES? It's clear she knows there's fuckery afoot, and she wanted to see how much of it there was.
>>15884146I remember I used to farm shit in Warframe by leaving on ~30 streams, but you had to leave them at least some volume, even muting the tab prevented you from getting the drops.I just sent that browser's audio to a different channel and left that muted and that worked.
>>15884102The poll was "Are you here?" the intent couldn't be more obvious.
>>15884016I mean look at this picrel. He's been inclining hard lately and that should have been around 3k if not for the bug.
>doesn't take long to reach and top the peak waiting room number>only 1-2k difference in pollsSo is it safe to say that jp is the one hit the hardest right? Wonder why that is.I've yet to see the nike pattern on any of the EN girls. Kronii even got more than 5k on a third stream of a normal game.Mumei's marika seemed a bit low, but still, nowhere as low as the jp girls
>>15884043and all those watch-time* comparisons with twitch thots are useless, youtubers numbers should be much higher
I was watching a stream with ~4k viewers on Twitch last night. He had a poll and after 2 minutes there were about 600 votes.
>>15884218>HolostersDid the Stars change their name?
>>15884107A PekoMiko minecraft collab on twitch would have 70k per channel minimum if given a day or two of hype. They need to bite the bullet and come together to numberfag.
kek this guy using the cull that's currently happenning as a tool for clickbaithttps://youtu.be/MfzrnIDGNwo
>>15884247Blame Google Translate.
>>15884235EN got hit with it last December, despite how much everyone said it was just "reclining" there's no way it would have been as drastic as it was.
>>15884218No. His waiting room does not look bugged. He didn't get the virus yet.
>>15884102the poll question was: "are you here?". Option A was yes. Option B was yes.
>>15884177>>15884194>>15884206S-Sorry
>>158842183k for a buff game for him is not a mid-tier Holo (well at least not before lel), and besides all the homos besides him and Astel get much worse views than that
Can we compile some Twitch poll numbers so we have something to compare against?
>>158842185 hours stream and not even 30k views
>>15884205Idk if they fixed it but when Overwatch was doing some limited edition skin, seagull told chat to do that and it worked for me. That's a super clever workaround though.
4 hour stream with a VOD view count of 255k right after and an average CCV of 8k is normal? VOD views are still buffering it seems.
>>15884235So far it looks like a subset of the JP branch are the ones hardest hit, and the ones who can't even make their waiting room numbers back.Hardest hit Holos are Luna, Kanata, Lamy, Polka and all of Gen 6. Those are the ones who consistently can't make it back to waiting room numbers. Others are managing to push through a bit better.
>>15884294People are still getting culled without having the utterly fucked waiting room numbers, some cases are just more severe than others
>>15884170All you have to do is shove the poll in the viewers face. It's a lot easier to click on a poll on mobile than actually fill out a poll irl. Voting on yt mobile (the majority of vtuber watchers) literally takes less than a second. Holos have always been getting higher poll numbers than ccv for a long time.The jp girls are the exceptions though, their poll votes were 3 to 5 times more than their ccv
>>15884173Are you dumb anon? Just the fact that they could change platforms and keep all their audience is absurd. Its just that selen yt 2k is actually a 4k unculled, and when she jumps to twtitch, 2k of those 4 actually follow
So what's the consensus here? So far the theories are>viewers being flagged as bots by spamming emotes>viewers being flagged as bots by watching specific content/streamers>algorithm limiting the maximum possible CCV for unknown reasons>vtubers themselves being flagged by unknown reasonsAlso I wouldn't discard multiple options being true simultaneously.
>>15883965It's a pretty typical ratio for any kind of engagement on the Internet and actually shows up in a lot of other places as well. See the 1% rule or the 80/20 principle for example. It's not a number set in stone obviously but it's an assumption which should be in the right ballpark. Obviously vtuber/idol fans and otaku will have a tendency to be way more engaged than normies but still the ratio of participants/lurkers shouldn't be anything close to 100% because statistically that's nearly impossible.
can she be beaten now?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qap5aO4i9A
>>15884387From what I recall, she does those twitch streams way out of her usual time slot as well.
>>15884235If it's due to some shitty machine-learning garbage, it's because whatever data-set and parameters they used were centered around something Japanese, thus causing the initial hit to swiftly spread to the tight-knit niche of JP chubbas. If it IS behaving like a goddamn fucking virus, it'll spread to EN soon enough once enough 'culled' people spam some emotes or lol or 'Kusa' or something that triggers this shitty garbage to mark people's accounts.
>>15884396It's never one single thing with Youtube's algorithms. They're being flagged by bots due to multiple stupid factors.
>>15884357who? and no its not normal
>>15883875It's well known that if you watch from sites like cytube you don't get counted towards visible CCV on YouTube, but do count for Twitch. Never do you see a 2view express shock about getting a 100 percent bump from a cytube visit.Also you don't get to vote from sites like that.
m-muh muh polls
>>15884173Niji EN doesn't really seem to be culled much. Pomu can stream to 2k for 2-3 hours and get a 25k-30k VOD an hour after. If Sana or Kiara does that they'll have like a 60-70k VOD. This is pre-2021 cull, IDK if it's even more now but Pomu seems almost completely unaffected, which is also bizarre since her audience heavily overlaps with Holo EN (but maybe not Holo JP).
>>15884433it's already affecting asus ces livestream. so my guess is some faggot did a major fuck-up when modeling this antibot.
>>15884396I would bet it's viewers being flagged as bots if they watch over a certain threshold of content per day. VTuber fans love to multi-stream and watch a fuck ton of content, far more than any other fanbase I can think of.
>>15884420How? How is it statisticallt impossible? Voting on yt mobile is vastly different than irl voting. It's shoved in your face and all you have to do to vote is touch your phone. You could even easily do it by accident. The app opens up chat when you click on the screen, it's literally easier to do than clicking the like button.I agree that there's some fuckery going on with how holos arw getting 3-4 times the number on polls compared to their ccv but saying that the polls are only 30% of their actual viewers? Really? Not even 50? Cmon man, don't be like that.
>>15884386Yeah but it used to take a while to get to higher poll numbers than CCV, unless one did it right at the start of the stream when the waiting room was processing. Now it takes under 5 minutes.
>>15884396We don't know and everything else is a rrat
>>15884551Nope.I have over 30 hours viewed on some days according to my stats and my views count.
>>15884590Twitch has similar UI and only receives engagement magnitudes lower.
>>15884590The mere fact that you need an account to vote means that 100% participation is impossible even if viewer behavior for YouTube vtubers was fundamentally different for no apparent reason.
>>15884590type less and just search twitch polls
>>15884396All streamers are affected, some more than others, some seemingly not much, such as NijiEN. This would point to some algorithm that either verifies certain types of viewers slower than usual, or an algorithm that flags certain types of viewers as suspicious. Being a vtuber has nothing to do with it, and wouldn't make sense with how there are normies streamers with similar drops, and vtubers with barely any drops.
>>15884528The question is if that faggot will face any consequences for this or he'll get off scott free.
>>15884597>Yeah but it used to take a while to get to higher poll numbers than CCVFactually wrong. I remember EN polls last year where it hit almost 1k more than their ccv in a short time. Not as fast as now but still around 5 minutes or so
All this culling and delay in view processing make me wonder how significant does Gura's VOD viewer have on her stream view count? It might be much lower than people initial thought.
>>15884696Consequences?Aahahahahahahahhahahaha.
Her peak was only 1k higher than her waiting room. It wasn't as bad in her last streams so it's getting worse as time goes on.
>>15884696pajeet never faces consequences anon, he'll have another fake resume ready to go by the end of the hour
>>15884590To get the poll you must be1) logged in2) watch on a device that supports YT polls, like phone or desktop, but not a game console or a smart tvUnless we're talking about literal who 1views, you're basically guaranteed to have a portion of the watchers who can't vote. Nobody has exact numbers for vtubers in this regard, so the best assumption applying is common ratios for various types of polls and interactions.
>>15884675People watching on a smart TV, game console, etc. also can't send chat messages or vote in polls, for what that's worth
>>15884688He will find results about hot tub streams
>>15884696if it's affecting revenue and big names complains. the answer would be yes anon the faggot is gonna get something up his ass.machine learning infra is expensive and if the model is making youtube lose money somebody gotta go.
>>15884767>be watch>assumption applying isI need to stop posting while drunk.
>>15882945>>15883965Jun's youtube poll was ~20k participated for ~70k viewers so yes it holds up even if you were right to doubt the first percantage people see on google
>>15884590>but saying that the polls are only 30% of their actual viewers? Really? Not even 50?That's why I added>It's not a number set in stone obviously but it's an assumption which should be in the right ballpark. And>Obviously vtuber/idol fans and otaku will have a tendency to be way more engaged than normies50/60% might be possible due to the type of audience but I feel like this would be the upper bound.
Over half the Holo JP streams today peaked in the waiting room. At first this was undetectable enough that there were fierce debates about its existence, but how bad is it going to be by tomorrow? What about the end of the week?
>>15884672>>15884688Dude twitch on mobile is quite different than youtube.In youtube the first time you open a stream it automatically opens the live chag with the curret poll smack dab right at the bottom spanning the entire horizontal space right where your fingers usually are when you type or use your phone.>>15884675100% might be impossible but 30%? Really? Nothing in the past year have indicated that a holo should've gotten 3 times their ccv. 2 times maybe, but 3?
>>15878915>>15878991>>15879463The CCV displayed after the stream in the private analytics dashboard doesn't match up with what the viewers and streamers see while live.I'm the anon that did a CCV test with friends and my own account in Jan 2021 and I just checked my dashboard for the archived analytics.This should've been 3 viewers constant. Archived analytics is more accurate than live but still fucked.
>>15884857We already have 2views saying they've had literally 0 viewers while people are typing in chat
The problem is that google is full of useless diversity hires that this shit will probably never get fixed and youtube will likely just ignore the problem until large companies paying youtube for ads start complaining about fake numbers.
>>15884835 (me)Oops, did not mean to reply to >>15882945 (You) gomen, dunno how that even happened
>>15884917You seem to be implying that all of the coding for Youtube hasn't been outsourced to a bunch of nobodies in India
And by the way if it works like we think it does and watching multi-POV streams makes it worse, guess what? The Mario Kart tournament with dozens of POVs that people will be repeatedly switching between is in two days.
>>15884907didnt you do that yesterday? that youtube tweet says to wait 40hrs+, try checking again tomorrow for any further difference
>>15884718You can tell by the VOD number a few hours after she streams vs what it is in 24 or 48 hours. Those are actual VOD views not livestream processing.
>>15884752itSPREADS
>>15884790I really really fucking wish google would put some effort into ensuring that their bots are working as intended before letting them loose in a live environment. I swear it's like they want a robot apocalpyse.
>>15885004No, someone grabbed my old screenshot from last year.>>/jp/thread/S32554010#p32560408
>>15885004>40hr+meant 48
>>15884889Here's Jun as an example27k/73k = 36%~ish
>>15884952If it accelerates the cull and everyone becomes a 3view then it'll be too blatant to be ignorable.
>>15885022At least they sold off Boston Dynamics so they're no longer literally building killer robots with this standard of quality
>>15884911INFINITY PERCENT ENGAGEMENT LET'S GO
>>15885022What if they've unleashed a benevolent AI and it's sabotaging the anime girls for our own good, Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect style.
>mysta sub 3kThe ccvid? Collab debuff? Bad timeslot,m
>>15884952oh god oh fuck it's all ogre
>>15884952Why do you think people are suddenly deciding they "don't feel like streaming it." Basically dipping out of attending that masquerade ball being thrown during the middle of the Black Death.
>>15885100Everyone has ccvid to some extent at this point.
>>15885100you can't draw conclusions from ccv right now, fucking leave it
>>15885022it's pajeet anon. they don't care about the quality of their work or how it will affect people. they just get it "done".
>>15885100He might've gotten the AIDS from Finana now. It's over...
how did we go from numberrot to CCVID...
>>15885022People that are hired for these companies have more ambition than common sense, and something like this bot is probably impossible to test thoroughly for side effects in whatever test enviroments they have.
>>15884952PLEASE PUT EVERYTHING IN LOCKDOWN
>>15885149Susan loves her bots
>>15885120It doesn't matter, because of the Holo box 80% of their viewers will be watching, and the issue is on their end not the channel's
>>15885120Shit you're right
>>15884768Who the fuck watches hololive on a smart tv
>>15885100Debut buff over, collab debuff, CCV cull, timeslot. All of it.
>>15885154Someone thought they found the magic bot to deal with the crypto problem and ended up killing vtubers instead.
>>15885173They don't know that.
>>15884889A recent ASUS steam only had <3% voting
>>15885185A good number do from what I hear in the normiesphere
>>15885148Finana would be one of the last to be infected, her early days filtered holofags while genshin GTAV and other gachas brought in the normalfag audience.Rosemi and Selen probably have the highest overlap with Holo fanbase, which has shown in the former but for some reason Selen hasn't been affected as hard.
>>15885154More like they're all incompetent diversity hires.
>>15885185I'm watching chicken's stream on a PS5 right now
>>15885185Me but only when I'm not watching on my smart fridge
>>15885173Wearing a bird mask full of herbs didn't do anything either but people get desperate and superstitious in the face of calamity.
>>15885212>A recent ASUS steam only had <3% votingkek, they had a literal million strong waiting room. This anon missed the waiting room peak
>>15885185You don’t watch YouTube on your TV while in bed?It’s a normal thing to do
Maybe susan actually loves us and wants to cure us of our numberrot....This'll never get fixed until we learn our lessons
>>15884288Everyone was hit last december
>>15885193What is the "crypto problem"?
>>15885185>Who the fuck watches hololive on a smart tvI fucking do! I have youtube on both my living room and my bedroom TVs and I can watch it in any of those.Back when Miko was streaming Summer Hardcore Minecraft I used to sleep with her stream on, comfy as fuck
>>15885120"No mask?" "NO MASK!"
>>15885233If that's true then Petra is Greenland/Madagascar?
>>15885300Cryptobots infesting the Japanese livestream scene. Check playboard Japan rankings.
>>15885240This is /g/ cope from failing their FAANG interviews. To pass any top tech company's interview you need to prepare for months. After you're hired, your performance is reviewed regularly, and you WILL be fired if you're not up to par.
>>15885300>What is the "crypto problem"?Here is today's unfiltered top 20 as tallied by live-ranking
>>15885268I could hardly afford a PC can't even begin saving for a TV
>>15885342It's not their scene alone. See >>15885360
>>15885360Looks like Kore wasn't affected. That's his usual number.
>>15885360When did this shit start popping up?Maybe we can trace the exact timeline of when that smartass dev decided to push this garbage out the door based on when this cryptoshit started on the JP side.
>>15885333At least on par with the boys, for sure.
theyre making fun of us bros
>>15885360So it didn't even fix the cryptobot problem
>>15885348The problem is the skills required to pass Google's dumbass interview have no correlation with ability to write good softwareThey have literally screened out the creator of a programming language for not being skilled enough in it before
>>15885418fuck i wish i could read runes
>>15885418translate, weebs
>>15885432>>15885441Short summary is>I'll post this on 5ch, then screenshot and samefag it on 4ch for the lulz
>>15885333If anything Petra is more likely to catch it from Niji JP than anyone else from Holo EN
>>15885402Dramafags are all tourists after all
>>15885308How were you able to sleep, much less not wake up, with the loud ass screams and laughs she makes?
>>15885418>imagine believing youtube polls while doubting CCVs
>>15885432>>15885441>Youtube survey is credible, even though you suspect Youtube
>>15885432>>15885441"why do you believe the poll numbers if you don't believe the viewer numbers", basically
>>15885474isnt anya affected? if so wouldnt she bring it to petra since they have that mixed general or is that some sort of shitpost general ive never actually gone to it.
>>15885418Nips in charge of understanding how technology works
>>15885490The series of stream was comfy for the most part with her speaking softly and intimately with the audience>EXCEPT FOR THE LOUD NOISES WHEN SHE GETS BTFO BY CREEPERS AND DIEBut waking up to that is part of the fun too
>>15885493T. Seething indie who is now a 0view
>>15885360These crypto shillers should unironically become vtubers lmao
>>15885513I think that's more of a joke based on their similarities (unpopular for their gen, prudish, wish they were Japanese), I don't think there's any real fanbase overlap outside of here
>SHAME ON US GUYS!Checking Matome for some fun screens and they spend most of their time talking about Micra, and Usaken this, and Akukin that, and Shiranui whatnot and this thread didn't even actually watch any of the streams>SHAAAAAME>SHAAAAAAAAAAAAME
>>15885560It's not my words turbo retard
>>15885500Well, you could believe that the poll might be dropping what it believes to be bot votes, but the opposite is to believe it's making up votes. Even a pajeet coder cannot be stupid enough to implement that, that would actually be more than minimum effort.
>>15885513It's just a meme based on them both being the lowest in their respective companies (before Reimu debuted in Niji EN wave 3 and took the crown). Also realistically Anya gets better views than Iofi and Risu but they're not as fun to meme and don't stream much.
>>15885429Their coding interviews are panned, and for food reason, but they do serve a purpose in filtering out unmotivated candidates without problem solving skills as well as less ambitious candidates who are not willing to go the extra mile to pass the interview. Point stands though that getting into these companies is hard, and there's no system that gives you an advantage for being a minority like you seem to think.
>>15885580They’re hacked accounts running a prerecorded video posing as the official coin channels.
>>15885621Yes, that is the correct response. Active participation is much harder to fake than passive number display
>>15885185I watch holos on my new TV so I can shitpost here while its also counting my view (if they didn't flag me as a bot already).
>>15885628Seems to be that being a foreign national and being willing to take less money for a job that you are on paper overqualified for gives you an advantage.
>>15885628I'm not the 'diversity hires' anon and I don't think that's actually a problem there, I think the problem is their stupid hiring process biases them towards people who desperately want to use the most complicated solution to every problem because it'll be fun to work on, which is how you end up with them accidentally developing an incompetent racist AI while trying to filter out spam
>>15885628correct, from a product development point of view, adding count for polls just don't make sense. but dropping them do.
>>15885704It really doesn't. They go through the same interview process as everyone else. And besides they're still paid much more than natives working at less prestigious companies.
>>15885628>>15885704>>15885740It's not thr devs. It's the product managers and the cto. They're the ones forcing devs to keep making new shit using the latest fads
>>15885695>buy a $1000 shitty tv>instead of a second computer screen that costs at most $300>just to watch youtubeBased retard.
>>15885628>and there's no system that gives you an advantage for being a minority like you seem to think.While that may be nominally true the system gives you an advantage for being a pajeet>H1B are cheap, indentured to your company (can't job hunt) and being fired means being sent backso they literally have local workforce training their pajeet replacements even if tH1B is mean to be used when there is no possible way to hire locally.
>>15885418This is from the NIJI THREAD. You can tell by the name, each anonymous board has different names 火星 is Mars, the board which has the Niji thread. Won't bother to find the specific thread but for examplehttps://tanuki.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/livemars/1641406252/aNijifags like that Hololive is suffering and so deny the existence of the CCV being off even though Chi-chan also brought up the bugs (well they hate her anyway). The Hololive threads are the ones that don't doubt us, post tweets and screenshots directly from this thread, and make fun of the retards in the niji threads.
>>15885871don't they care about tokyo ghoul
>>15885822>He thinks I paid for it
>TOP KEKMatome bros have either the same type of trolls or the same sense of humor this thread gets
>post tweets and screenshots directly from this threadall me
>>15885798>They go through the same interview process as everyone else.No they don't. Tech companies deliberately put unrealistic demands in their job requirements to filter out any native applicants so they can hire H-1B Pajeets at bargain basement wages. I 100% guarantee that Pajeet is not going through the same process that natives are asked to go through for the simple fact that if they did then Pajeet would not be hired because Pajeet is not good at his job.
>>15885740Okay, that much I do agree with. Rockstar dev syndrome is very much a thing, and exasperated by their personnel reviews emphasizing new features and products rather than maintenance.
>>15885930i made this post
>>15885920Put it back Lamar
>>15885862Not a thing that happens, sorry. Hiring incompetent people costs them close to a million dollars. No one is hired due to their nationality or because their starting salary is 20k/year less when the others would start at 100k/year.
>>15885922sasuga
>4 nijis in top 10(Almost) balanced, as all things should be.
>>15885871Their Holo thread is barely alive, trolls paid by matome sites have made it their hive to samefag and rrat to farm clicks.
>>15885814yeah, it's a structural issue with how promotion works incentivizing dumb shit
>>15885922The normie streamers aren't getting affected in general, it's true. Susan has carefully crafted a virus that targets vtuber audiences only.
>>15885822Nothing is better than using a smartphone, you can take it anywhere without having to stop watching the stream