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Anonymous Sun Jan 2 23:59:10 2022 No.15729993 [Reply] [Original]

>And I mean you are men
>So we tend to think most of your fans are women
>It's why we can't just reach out for collabs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0DJgv8Cmdc

Is this an excuse or do the girls truly believe this? Subaru once said something similar about Roberu when asked about a collab. But Holostars collab with women all the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:00:39 2022 No.15730077 >>15729993 it's the stock answer given by the management, don't think too hard about it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:05:22 2022 No.15730456 It's a throwaway answer to avoid addressing the elephant in the room. In the end, hololive fanbase will never accept them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:09:02 2022 No.15730810 It's a socially acceptable excuse to hide they're avoiding the boys only for their own sakes

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:23:30 2022 No.15732396

>>15729993
Well Matsuri's and FBK's numbers were tanking at a time that roughly correlates with then interacting with the Holostars, there were other reasons but maybe the homos kind of feel a bit guilty and use this as an excuse to turn down the girls.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:29:22 2022 No.15732861 Well, it's the polite answer. But the NijiEN homos actually do tend to get worse numbers when they collab with the girls because their audiences don't overlap, lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:32:16 2022 No.15733169 >>15729993 Generic canned response, don't think too much about it, apart from a couple of groupings I don't see collabs to be as entertaining as the ones they have anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:32:52 2022 No.15733230 >>15732861 Oh boy women are much more hostile to each other than males. They just kinda act different when you anger them

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:34:53 2022 No.15733430 >>15729993 It is and that's pretty normal, female vtuber fans are bad news. Just look at Niji, Lain got into huge trouble yesterday because she was alone with Kuzuha for like 5 minutes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:40:45 2022 No.15733965 >>15733430 Meanwhile Vox is thirsting for Reimu and Petra like he's trying to reignite the British Empires Colonial days and his female fanbase basically cum in chat

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:42:05 2022 No.15734098 >>15733430 Dumb eop

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:44:59 2022 No.15734450 >>15729993 >Roberu Collabs with 774 not Hololive, now how the 774 girls handle their fanbase who knows but that just isn't the Cover way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:46:58 2022 No.15734702 >>15734450 Roberu MIGHT be shadow banned from Bae collabs, since the last impromptu collab in Apex with her and Ollie basically had Bae wet and panting like a dog in heat

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:48:17 2022 No.15734833 >>15734702 He literally invited her to come to Bar Robel just recently.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:49:53 2022 No.15734953 >>15734702 >Calls in to his Christmas totsu >invited to Bar Robel >Asks him what he wants for Christmas (he wants a 6IV ditto rumao) yeah I think not

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:53:17 2022 No.15735290

>>15734702
They'll be fine, the normal rule of thumb for streamers (vtubers) is if you have to or more of one sex (gender) and one of the other you don't have to worry about unicorns raging at BOYFRIEND/GIRLFRIEND shit. I believe this is one of the tactics some of the most popular guys use if they absolutely have to have a female stream with them.

This worked well with FBK, Festival,Rikka, Roberu and the OlliexRoberuxBae impromtu was well received.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:54:41 2022 No.15735381 >>15734833 >>15734953 until it happens, the shadowban stays

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:56:12 2022 No.15735532 >>15735381 >until it happens my baseless headcannon stays

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:58:12 2022 No.15735738 >>15735381 >shadowban Who's doing the ban? Omegatron literally take break from twitter to help Holostars live

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 00:59:09 2022 No.15735812 >>15733965 >Vox thirsting for Reimu >Not the other way around ogey

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:01:03 2022 No.15735954 >>15734450 >now how the 774 girls handle their fanba >Haneru: are you okay with Yukoku Roberu fucking all animare? https://youtu.be/AvNnBOOh7fo?t=988 Yes she asked the crowd at 774inc comiket booth and yes it's also streamed live on official channel

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:01:53 2022 No.15736014 >>15735812 Petra is the one thirsting for Vox. She was even talking about how much her "friend" has it "down bad" for him, catches all the streams, wonders if he's single etc. the other day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:02:35 2022 No.15736082 File: 562 KB, 2048x2048, 1631993423612.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15729993 She's not wrong. https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/12583891

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:02:41 2022 No.15736085 >>15734450 OP is referring to Subaru being asked to do a collab with Roberu, but she said his female fans might not like that, which is obviously nonsense.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:36:38 2022 No.15738445

>>15736085
How the fuck is that nonsense? Roberu fans are okay with him collabing with the 774 but not with him collabing with Subaru, just like Kuzuha fans being okay with him collabing with Himawari or Mito but not with Lain, Ibrahim fans being okay with him collabing with girls but they absolutely despise his trans genmate, or like Kenmochi fans being okay with him collabing with girls but sperged out when he collabed with bootleg Holo like Ui-mama.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:45:20 2022 No.15739056 >>15738445 >Ibrahim fans being okay with him collabing with girls but they absolutely despise his trans genmate Based Ibrahim fangirls?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:46:24 2022 No.15739114 >>15738445 >not with Lain No one cares You could replace her with Hisui though

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:49:47 2022 No.15739299 >>15738445 I don't know why you're trying so hard to push this thing with Lain

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:50:06 2022 No.15739314 No, the Fujos are batshit insane. Even your typical unicorn just doesn't want to see flirting, but ANY female in proximity to the tuber they like causes the femcel to metldown.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:50:56 2022 No.15739362 >>15738445 >but not with him collabing with Subaru Says who?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:55:07 2022 No.15739584 >>15739362 no one, his whole post is retarded

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:55:10 2022 No.15739589

>>15738445
>Roberu fans are okay with him collabing with the 774 but not with him collabing with Subaru
What's the difference between Bae, Ollie, Anya, Matsuri, Suisei, Fubuki, and specifically Subaru? What's the difference between Fubuki and Subaru? What's the difference between Suisei and Subaru?
There's only one difference, and that's from Subaru's audience. Not Roberu's. It's in Subaru's perceived self interest, not Roberu's fan base being upset.

The only Holostars who believably could have unicorns is perhaps Izuru or Shien. The rest of them is just the girls protecting themselves at the cost of the boys.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:55:26 2022 No.15739604

Female fans can be just as unhinged as the male fans, they aren't so different.
Go to any primarily female fandom and you will see. They hate other women the most.
The main difference is they won't drop their oshi like a rock if he flirts with a girl, they will just make hate mobs against the succubus that seduced him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:58:33 2022 No.15739794 >>15733230 I don't understand

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 01:59:29 2022 No.15739840 I get that you guys like your oshis and want to believe that they are all very kind, but this is just an excuse to get out of collabing and no amount of mental gymnastics about fans of male chuubas will change that

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:00:30 2022 No.15739898 >>15739794 Go to /cgl/ for a while. Educate yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:00:33 2022 No.15739901 I thought the excuse was that the girls were too shy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:02:14 2022 No.15739974 >>15739898 Girls are actually really nice to each other

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:02:46 2022 No.15739999 >>15729993 Does Sora have unicorns?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:03:38 2022 No.15740042 >>15739604 100% right they are even worse. Look at some of those kpop groups, the women are absolute psychos and will act they way publically on twitter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:03:48 2022 No.15740048 >>15738445 >brahim fans being okay with him collabing with girls but they absolutely despise his trans genmate Melissa?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:04:14 2022 No.15740065 >>15739974 Maybe mentally well off girls. The kinds of femcels that obsess over vtubers, or otherwise lose themselves to fandoms? Not so much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:06:36 2022 No.15740192 >>15739901 The excuse is whatever beating around the bush tactic works. They shouldn't say things that imply the issue is on the boys' end, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:08:58 2022 No.15740319 >>15738445 What the fuck is wrong with Nijisanji fans? I'm willing to bet management doesn't step in when the girls are getting harassed either since the guys are more popular

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:10:09 2022 No.15740401 >>15739974 LOL

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:11:49 2022 No.15740503
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>>15738445
For fucks sake you little bitch, just accept that the holomem don't want to collab with the males and use flimsy excuses, instead of just spouting off about shit you don't know anything about. You stupid nigger

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:16:50 2022 No.15740780 >>15739589 >The rest of them is just the girls protecting themselves at the cost of the boys. >at the cost of the boys. ????

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:16:53 2022 No.15740784

>>15739974
>Girls are actually really nice to each other
Which only applies if they can somewhat stand each other and are mentally sound. Anon's example >>15739898 is on the more extreme end, but definitely shows that things can get really ugly if they're losing themselves in the drama.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:17:34 2022 No.15740815 >>15729993 Why keep up these excuses when the literal face of the company doesn't care and collabs with the guys? It's better to dodge the topic entirely instead of throwing out excuses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:19:15 2022 No.15740899 >>15740815 Because retards like >>15738445 will buy it and make up excuses for the girls

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:22:31 2022 No.15741076

>>15739999
I doubt it. Soratomo generally have kind of a sexless relationship with their oshi, sort of like kids with their mother or older sister. Having a problem with Sora collabing with men would mean admitting that she's a sexual being, and for a lot of them that's just gross.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:23:15 2022 No.15741111 I dunno about any of that shit, but Sora is based as fuck and so is Aruran. That's all I need to know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:25:12 2022 No.15741202 >>15741111 Based

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:25:19 2022 No.15741216 What went so wrong in hololive that nijisanji can have males and females collab without it being controversial but it is for them?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:27:33 2022 No.15741321 >>15741216 >wrong

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:29:14 2022 No.15741421

>>15739589
You have to be buttfuck retarded to be a gachikoi for Izuru, he specifically hates fangirl shit and will roast you on stream. Shien has collabed with women several times and will continue to do so, so he has weeded out any fans who would have a problem with that. Only once in the history of Holostars was there a subsect of possessive female fans that tried to tell Astel not to interact with women, and Astel publicly crucified them. Hololive management is making shit up, or the girls are making up their own rrats about the Holostars having possessive gachis.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:29:19 2022 No.15741429

>>15741216
It isn't controversial, there has never been a controversy. Some holomem have built up a fanbase that is made up of gachikois and unicorns so they fear that they'd lose a bunch of potential profit if they collabed with males. But if you ask me, for most holomem there wouldn't actually be a huge controversy, just a loss of some SCs

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:30:00 2022 No.15741466 >>15741216 They unironically should've never made Holostars. It doesn't make sense to this day since it goes against their own model.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:30:43 2022 No.15741506 >>15741466 >It doesn't make sense to this day since it goes against their own model. What?

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:30:45 2022 No.15741511

>>15741216
Hololive consistently caters to idolfags because they'll shell out as much cash as they can for their oshi as long as they never collab with a man. Only a few of the girls in Hololive (excluding ID) don't care about the unicorns. It's sad, but if that's the only way they can milk those unicorns dry, you might as well kneel to them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:32:32 2022 No.15741596 >>15741511 Please don't use unicorn and idolfag interchangeably, that's 2 completely different things

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:33:55 2022 No.15741660

>>15741216
I wouldn't say it's controversial but didn't they explicitly ban the men from collabing with the girls for a short while when they debuted? Of course they went back on that, but when you do it once you're putting everyone in a weird spot when it's lifted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:35:27 2022 No.15741746 >>15741511 Everyone says this like it's gospel on /vt/ but unless you are Rushia or Lamy (or someone else who actively caters to unicorns) I genuinely don't believe that the majority of a chuuba's paypigs think like that

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:38:02 2022 No.15741872 >>15741746 According to /vt/ it's been proven time and time again that not interacting with guys at all will lead to more success than those that do interact with guys.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:39:02 2022 No.15741923 >>15741872 >According to /vt/ Numbers don't lie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:39:38 2022 No.15741952 >>15741872 >according to /vt/ That's the point, that's what I'm disagreeing with. /vt/ has been wrong about many things many times over and anons move goalposts every day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:40:18 2022 No.15741980 File: 72 KB, 226x222, 1633499121034.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15741216 >wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:40:38 2022 No.15741994 >>15741923 Numbers are the biggest lie, especially coming from jewgle and jewtube

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:41:02 2022 No.15742019

>>15741746
I'm sure there are many lonely salarymen who sacrificed real life action for a good career and high salary and I'm told Rushia and Lamy cater to them. But I've often wondered just how many of the paypigs are either just rich reasonably well-adjusted people who have the cash to dump on their entertainment or gone far enough that there is nothing that could shake their trust in their oshi. Certainly the NEETs spending their days on 4ch or 5ch complaining about male collabs aren't paying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:41:30 2022 No.15742039 >>15741923 And they spell disaster

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:42:28 2022 No.15742095 >>15741872 It depends on the fanbase and the girl, no two chuba's fandoms will have the same reaction to male collabs and trying to create some sort of universal code is pointless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:43:14 2022 No.15742131 >>15741980 Uifag... https://youtu.be/XUeXzPyGt_w

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:43:29 2022 No.15742148 >>15742039 Yeah, collabing with a homo is a disaster.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:44:16 2022 No.15742180 >>15729993 Don't underestimate female unicorn fans

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:44:46 2022 No.15742204 >>15742039 HE'S FAT!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:46:09 2022 No.15742267 Please....Holostars....stop inviting the girls to these things....

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:47:42 2022 No.15742332

>>15742019
Exactly, some people are just richfags who like to dump money on chuubas they like. Unless you are a chuuba like Rushia and you love grooming unicorns to forfeit their life savings for you, I don't think most paypigs are unicorns. I also agree that most of the unicorns on this basket weaving forum are probably all grey names who never donate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:48:33 2022 No.15742367 >>15741511 >It's sad What's the sad thing about this??? I'm pretty sure you're beggar who don't even watch any stream.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:48:54 2022 No.15742377 >>15742267 bruh....

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:49:54 2022 No.15742423 >>15729993 reminder female unicorns are worse than the males and nijisanji has experienced this first hand

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:50:05 2022 No.15742431 >>15742131 Ui mama is lesbian

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:50:10 2022 No.15742432

>>15741216
>Nijisanji
>Never made a big deal about it, their streamers are called livers
>Hololive
>Created the stars
>Brutally handcuffed them and basically gave them a giant list of shit they couldn't do
>Finally relented after almost a year
>Gachikoi paypigs where already in place so they simply couldn't do a 180

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:50:37 2022 No.15742449 >>15742095 But anon, that's too rational. We can't have that on /vt/.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:51:28 2022 No.15742476

>>15732396
>Well Matsuri's and FBK's numbers were tanking at a time that roughly correlates with then interacting with the Holostars
No it doesn't you retard, Fubuki was never a numbers queen till recently and Matsuri's numbers have been tanking for ages due to her nonstop apex fest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:51:46 2022 No.15742489 >>15736082 You really think guys would go to these events?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:52:01 2022 No.15742499 >>15735812 Reimu is a femcel

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:52:51 2022 No.15742543 >>15742476 >Fubuki was never a numbers queen till recently WRONG ON SO MANY LEVEL, RETARD >Matsuri's numbers have been tanking for ages due to her nonstop apex fest. WRONG ON SO MANY LEVEL AGAIN, RETARD

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:53:40 2022 No.15742576 >>15733430 She got shit on because she was winning and she's labeled a sexual harasser by her retard antis because she's a fujoshi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:54:12 2022 No.15742601 >>15742423 iirc recently NijiEN male member asked fans not to draw fanart of him with the girl so to be considerate?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:54:47 2022 No.15742619 File: 75 KB, 594x828, 1637200823943.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15742543 Wow you sure showed me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:55:44 2022 No.15742663 >>15742423 No, unicorns are meaningless besides their monetary power and have never done anything

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 02:58:34 2022 No.15742791 I dunno about all this shit but I think it was really nice of Sora to call in and say such lovely things. She is a true pure idol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:00:00 2022 No.15742838 >Having Sora of all people say this bullshit Christ just graduate the entire branch if you're gonna be this disingenous. What a bunch of bullshit. Just go all in on your idol trash/gfe shit and keep milking the paypigs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:00:09 2022 No.15742857 >>15739589 Holostars have publically shit on unicorns. The only people who unicorn for Izuru are retarded EOPs who don't know what he's saying and are too stupid to watch clips

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:00:35 2022 No.15742884 >>15742267 If you're talking about OP he didn't invite anyone, the callers come if they please, he even had some dude from NijiKR he's never spoken to before call in.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:02:39 2022 No.15742996

>>15742884
You're telling me Sora invited herself to this thing, shat on the guys and says no one wants to deal with their supposed unicorns, and left? basically spewing rrats?
Why do people want Holostars to collab with Hologirls if they're this ignorant?

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:04:18 2022 No.15743077

>>15742601
That's pretty standard, especially in JP fandoms, het ship fanart tends to be frowned upon, same with male lewds or lewds that involve a male that isn't a self insert or a non-descriptive one.
And considering how much several of NijiEN's livers are into JP and their chuubas stuff that request is not really surprising.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:04:23 2022 No.15743080 >>15742996 honestly I think it goes to show how sheltered Sora is... She's been in her tiny little idol bubble for so long that she had no idea that was a 'back stage' comment. But yeah, very rude either intentionally or unintentionally

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:07:22 2022 No.15743214

>>15743080
It's just hurtful especially to Aruran who's worked hard to make connections outside of Holostars, and now she comes in and tells everyone no one wants to see female collabs due to a female audience, when he did just fine with Lain and others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:10:27 2022 No.15743350 >>15741429 >It isn't controversial, there has never been a controversy. why do newfags alwqys talk so onfidently qbout shit they know nothing about just baffling honestly

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:10:28 2022 No.15743352 >>15736082 This is (was?) literally the only female holostar fan in the entire world.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:10:37 2022 No.15743358 >>15735812 >>15742499 kindrer girls seething lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:11:15 2022 No.15743376 reminder /vt/ is the place where social autists gossip about 2d character

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:11:47 2022 No.15743402

>>15742996
If you watch the whole thing she's obviously not being malicious at all and Aruran even comments on how nice she (and "everyone in Hololive") is. But obviously he's not going to correct her on stream especially with how happy he was that she came, so it's hard to say how the boys really feel about comments like that, they never talk about it and more often show happiness when they're acknowledged by the girls.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:13:37 2022 No.15743476 Nobody cares about these homos

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:13:39 2022 No.15743477

>>15741421
If the Homos are driving away their core audience it explains a lot about how bad they're doing. Luxiem is kicking the absolute shit out of them and that's probably why. The Hololive girls don't realize that the Homos are sabotaging themselves and it's not really their fault if they are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:14:04 2022 No.15743489 >>15743476 I care

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:15:06 2022 No.15743523

>>15741746
>Everyone says this like it's gospel on /vt/ but unless you are Rushia or Lamy (or someone else who actively caters to unicorns) I genuinely don't believe that the majority of a chuuba's paypigs think like that
Because you spend your time in an EOP echo chamber. Idols have literally been sued for dating by their companies and broke down and shaved their heads before for being found out. I'm talking within the last decade, not some far off 1980s shit either.
Also, many holos asked their chat if they're okay with male collabs. The answer was always "no". Learn Japanese

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:15:34 2022 No.15743544 >>15743402 >they have to literally larp along in front of the audience cuz they're coworkers >omg they are so genuine Retard, btw wrestling is fake

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:16:01 2022 No.15743559 >>15743476 Dozens of people care. It's just bizarre that they are so obsessed to have them collab with my oshi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:16:36 2022 No.15743596 File: 3.39 MB, 3516x9360, 1641094845288.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15742019 >>15742332 This was posted by a unicorn recently

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:17:22 2022 No.15743619 someday karma will hit girls like Rushia and Lamy for manipulating unicorns minds, lonely and desperate guys are mentally unstable and dangerous when they feel hurt

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:17:28 2022 No.15743624 >>15741421 So that's why holostars haven't inclined.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:17:38 2022 No.15743637 >>15743596 All me, btw

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:17:55 2022 No.15743652 File: 2.82 MB, 1280x720, 1640630375436.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Not sure of what's going on here but Izuru's bussy will be mine after I join StarsEN.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:17:55 2022 No.15743653

>>15743559
Homobeggars have always been a thing. It's strange that they keep trying to claim being allowed to leech off Hololive is the path to success for them when we know Fubuki has been trying to drag Oga up on her back for months to no avail. The Hololive audience has zero interest in watching Holostars, they need to build their own audience

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:18:34 2022 No.15743676 File: 284 KB, 835x789, IMG_20220102_221812.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15743477 Luxiem has gachi pandering on lock

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:19:42 2022 No.15743731 >>15743596 >Matsuri >Fubuki If he was a true Hololive unicorn he would ignore every girl who so much as breathed in the homo's direction.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:20:49 2022 No.15743781

>>15743676
>Homostars shoo away fujos and women
>Stuck with sub 1k views for over a year
>Luxiem pander unceasingly to their thirsty female fanbase
>Beating out some Hololive members in views
It's honestly amazing how fucking retarded the Homostars are. Same with Homostar fans who think claiming they insult their own core audience will endear them to Hololive fans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:21:08 2022 No.15743790 >>15743596 That's definitely terrible, but he's still dropping single digit supas so he's not completely mindless about his spending.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:21:24 2022 No.15743798 >>15743731 Go ask them yourself if you want, I only know what they said

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:21:28 2022 No.15743801 File: 370 KB, 1333x2000, FCXZiMaVQAAofM5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15743652 Izuru and Miyabi should be allowed to collab with the girls, they and their fans won't be able to tell they're males.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:22:53 2022 No.15743845 >>15743619 >manipulating >he doesn't know

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:23:47 2022 No.15743870 >>15743790 Reminds me of the time Lamy talked about how one of her unemployed fans kept throwing red superchats at her https://youtu.be/_9ns_CER4Ic?t=174

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:24:08 2022 No.15743881 >>15743781 But Shien and Oga pander to their thirsty fans all the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:25:10 2022 No.15743927 >>15743781 This just loops back to the question of >what are the holostars supposed to be? Are they idols? Variety stremers? Gamer bros for friendless men? Virtual gigolos for women?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:25:33 2022 No.15743941 >>15743619 >manipulating I want them to act like that.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:25:53 2022 No.15743955

>>15743790
Still though, that's *one* guy, and he's on 4chan sonprssumably an English speaker. And they were still a hardcore gachikoi. JOP are even more gachikoi than EOPs by far and probably drop more than that. If you risk losing god knows how many of this type of viewer just by collabing with somebody you honestly have no particular reason to, why would you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:26:02 2022 No.15743963 >>15743927 Nobody knows. They're Yagoos pet project and that's all they need to be to survive. The lack of focus definitely hurts them though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:29:10 2022 No.15744049 >>15743955 Because this man oppresses the girls, they need to save my based boys and stop acting like sluts REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:29:54 2022 No.15744075 File: 2.81 MB, 1280x720, 1640631413077.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15743801 Shogun only needs to talk in his girly voice and the viewers will think he is a female indie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:32:55 2022 No.15744187 >>15736014 that's kind of pathetic, how does she have a male audience... or more like how long can she keep her mostly male audience while acting this way?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:33:36 2022 No.15744219 >>15743596 Wait I think I know who this is lmao Why did they say love you and that they're a girlfriend to lamy while being a rushia gachikoi? Cmon my dude at least hold yourself to consistent standards you hold the girls to

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:33:49 2022 No.15744233 >>15733430 Stop listening to 5ch. Lain is not getting bashed by fucking women of all people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:34:52 2022 No.15744280 >>15744187 >how does she have an audience Thats what her father wants to know too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:35:51 2022 No.15744312 >>15743523 >Many Holos Name some names. Post sauce. If it's Rushia or Pekora or someone like that then it doesn't count because they cater specifically to unicorns so the answer is obvious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:35:55 2022 No.15744315 >>15733430 Isn't Kuzuha living with his girlfriend Mikoto? (who actually also got attacked when people heard Kuzuha during her ASMR stream, she got 10K dislikes or something crazy like that) perhaps they hate cheaters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:38:08 2022 No.15744405 >>15733430 No she didn't?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:39:49 2022 No.15744460 >>15742601 He said not to ship him with the girls or draw lewd art of him with them because he's not comfortable seeing his coworkers like that. He's closer to the guys and they joke about that kind of stuff a lot so it's less of an issue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:40:14 2022 No.15744482 >>15744315 It's a rrat that even Japan and Suki kira have gotten tired of, this board is the only place that pushes it this hard. I'm sick of this faggot who also keeps saying everyone hates Lain, I don't know what his goal is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:43:14 2022 No.15744591 >>15743376 When you put it this way, it does sound really pathetic. But it's also fun watching from the sideline lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:44:04 2022 No.15744620 >>15744315 Nope. But idk I guess you're the kinda guy that also believes that Gura lives with a 6'6 black man

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:49:49 2022 No.15744849 >>15739840 We don't want them to collab with m*les though

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:50:09 2022 No.15744861 >>15743927 They're idols, eops are just retarded and pigeonholes all idols as unicorn panderers.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:50:45 2022 No.15744887
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>>15743781
Yeah seeing those clips of that black haired holostar straight up seething and insulting his fans really made me have absolutely zero sympathy for their struggles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:53:08 2022 No.15744957 >>15741660 collab ban after debut is a standard practice

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:53:23 2022 No.15744963 >>15744887 I subscribed to him after that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:54:40 2022 No.15745015 >>15744887 Where’s the clip?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:57:26 2022 No.15745131 >>15743955 Nigga even in Japan they are a minority. It's just that some of them have more money and act like schizos so people feel inclined to listen to them. Literal Jew tier behavior.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:57:30 2022 No.15745134 >>15744849 That's fine, but don't make up rrats for why they wouldn't do it when it's obvious that they fear losing out on some money. I don't get all the collab begging either it's fucking retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 03:59:25 2022 No.15745202 File: 157 KB, 1200x1700, FAicnKqVEAgGwCJ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15744887 Based Izuru filtering idiots like you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:00:03 2022 No.15745225 >>15745134 >I don't get all the collab begging either it's fucking retarded its cuz i dont give a fuck about the women and the guys deserve their subs and views more than they do

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:00:14 2022 No.15745232

>>15744957
The Stars had a full ban during their first couple of month until early December of 2019 when Cover consolidated all branches under Hololive Production. Basically only Gen 1 was under that ban.

>>15744887
You mean putting the annoying fans who can't stop asking to be singled out and treated specially on their place?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:00:39 2022 No.15745249 >>15744887 If (You) had to deal with annoying teenage girls you would roast them too anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:01:15 2022 No.15745272 >>15745225 >guys deserve their subs and views more than they do Why? Because you want to suck their dick?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:01:37 2022 No.15745280 >>15745272 Because dudes rock and women fucking suck

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:02:34 2022 No.15745306 >>15745280 Izuru is one step in the door to becoming trans if you listen to his Twitter spaces

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:03:44 2022 No.15745345 >>15745280 I have an exactly opposite opinion. Now what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:03:50 2022 No.15745349 >>15745015 I can only think of this one since it's been posted here before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QyZ5ZY5uzA In which all he's doing is calling out a fan who's upset they're not getting special treatment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:03:51 2022 No.15745350 >>15743781 >>15736082

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:05:01 2022 No.15745395 >>15745345 Are you a woman? If so, you're a stupid bitch and I hate you. If not, why do you hate yourself?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:05:37 2022 No.15745418 The stars are okay but I'd still rather not see the holos I like collabing with any men, sorry. Though if I had to pick any I sure would pick the JP stars over any other guys, especially western ecelebs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:06:05 2022 No.15745452 >>15745225 Nice to see the mask come off. The typical homostar fan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:06:17 2022 No.15745467 File: 65 KB, 243x300, tall2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15739999 yes, me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:07:17 2022 No.15745504 >>15745395 I don't hate myself or my friends but every other male is trash and should be beaten with hammer. Including Homostars.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:07:39 2022 No.15745517

>>15745131
I've never seen any evidence for a minority of paypigs being gachikoi who care about that stuff. Some people /here/ say that but they will literally only support that claim by saying "it's cringe therefore most people aren't like that"
Ignore reality at your leisure I guess

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:07:43 2022 No.15745521 >>15745249 wow how smart, antagonizing your audience is sure to work out well right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:08:03 2022 No.15745541 >>15745504 based

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:08:18 2022 No.15745550 >>15745504 You're bitter because you put pussy on a pedestal. Sad!

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:08:51 2022 No.15745585

>>15743781
Luxiem collabs with women though, and the fujos don't care as long as they are catered to from time to time. Only male unicorns get mad about interacting with males, which is a stupid since the only idol limit is supposed to be having a boyfriend, not existing in the same space as a male.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:08:58 2022 No.15745591 >>15743781 doesn't luxiem flirt with with girls too? If anything this proves that as long as you pander to your fans in the end, you can collab with anyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:09:08 2022 No.15745599 >>15745395 I'm not any other male, I'm me. The only male that matters, aside from the ones I choose to care about on a whim.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:10:00 2022 No.15745641 >>15745585 >>15745591 Newsflash you can pander towards women while also collabing with women, Luxiem even have their girlfriends modded in their chats, women will consume anything with cute anime boys on it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:10:09 2022 No.15745647 >>15745550 I put myself on a pedastal and all the pussy belongs to me.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:10:44 2022 No.15745669

>>15743927
YAGOO is a saviourfag. He lost interest in his girls once they started blowing up and left them in A-chan's hands so he could focus on saving men who need to do 8-hour daily streams just to make what Pekora brings in from 5 minutes of idle banter.
If Holostars ever succeeds, he'll abandon it, too. Probably start a vtuber group strictly for mute cripples or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:11:30 2022 No.15745692 >>15745591 Shien and Oga also pander to fangirls and fujos and they don't care that both of them collab with women. Fujos just aren't as picky as unicorns.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:11:31 2022 No.15745693 >>15745641 Which Luxiem has their girlfriends modded in chat?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:11:44 2022 No.15745705 >>15745641 so woman fans are homewreckers while male fans want loyalty?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:13:21 2022 No.15745778 >>15745705 No, unicorns are just schizos and fujos know their gosling behavior is just larp.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:13:37 2022 No.15745789 >>15745647 Damn right and other males are competition to be crushed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:14:34 2022 No.15745830 >>15745693 Luca and Vox, the two with the most yumejo pandering

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:15:27 2022 No.15745864 >>15741596 Not the person you replied to but could you give me the differences?

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:16:43 2022 No.15745906
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>>15745585
>>15745778
You should really get over it. Unicorns run this shit because they spend the most $$$. They will never stop being pandered to so it's pointless to seethe about it. You think Rushia is ever going to give up her spot as the top superchat earner just to collab with Shien or Oga more? Wake up.

Money talks and gachikois spend the most money

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:17:04 2022 No.15745925 >>15739974 retard alert

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:17:08 2022 No.15745931 >>15745864 idolfag= cares about irl relationtip status at the current moment unicorn= idolfag, but also wants oshi to be a virgin too/no previous relationship

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:18:54 2022 No.15745997 File: 690 KB, 649x654, 1629307453471.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15745906 based

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:20:48 2022 No.15746075 >>15745521 I mean, when you don't deal with them in advance they're only going to get worse. For example, Dream Minecraft

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:22:05 2022 No.15746115

>>15745906
Fucking look at Lamy. She skyrocketed to upper level SC rankings in Hololive despite being Gen 5. So did Nene, BUT ONLY after she committed to the "my fans are husbands" bit(and let her fans talk her out of ever even mentioning homos). Meanwhile Polka with obviouz male collabs on her roommate and Botan with her lack of gachikoi pandering and an open invitation to homos, are not up there.

GACHIKOI PANDERING WORKS. retards

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:22:26 2022 No.15746121 >>15746075 His situation is entirely his fault. Imagine if a vtuber you followed made tweets and kneeled to any random 0 follower anti who had a made up issue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:23:52 2022 No.15746169 >>15743596 Why is anon a whore?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:25:03 2022 No.15746215 >>15745906 Rushia's paypigs are gachikoi because that's her audience. Her paypigs would be different if she catered to a different audience. That's not exactly rocket science.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:26:22 2022 No.15746275 >>15743596 That's a lot of small donations. I think I spent more in December than this guy did all year, and 99% of my SC go to one girl.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:26:48 2022 No.15746293

>>15745789
I can feel sympathy for the males I like, but not enough to let them fuck the women I like. I wouldn't feel right cucking a friend, either. But random ass dudes? Fuck em. If I feel a comradery with someone it means my superior brain that I put on a pedestal decided they were worth giving a fuck about. Ironically, it's why I respect unicorns enough to not fuck an active idol given the chance. I don't want to cuck dudes who are sensible enough to hate that shit. We have enough fucking cucks as is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:27:11 2022 No.15746307 >>15746215 She'd be making less money either way so asking any Holo to saviorfag the Homos is essentially asking them to give up a big chunk of their income. Matsuri used to be Rushia tier, where is she now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:28:10 2022 No.15746356 >>15746275 damn, how much did you spend?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:30:41 2022 No.15746461 >>15745306 Aw yeah, switching teams to join the more profitable market, sasuga Izuru

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:31:55 2022 No.15746504

Rushia doesn't pander to gachikoi for money, she panders to gachikoi because she has an extreme attachment to her fans and is genuinely in a serious parasocial relationship with them. It's not about the money for the girls who pander to unicorns and it's not about the money for the ones that don't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:33:45 2022 No.15746564 >>15746275 Unless you're that pekorafag or nenefag or korone/aquafag then there's no way you did spend that much

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:33:47 2022 No.15746566 >>15745931 Thanks, was curious about that

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:34:45 2022 No.15746600 >>15746293 >I don't want to cuck dudes who are sensible enough to hate that shit. We have enough fucking cucks as is. I'll drink to that.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:37:01 2022 No.15746688

>>15746115
Ofc ti works but you've to know to play it correctly or else even if you do you won't get high numbers, besides not all Holos are comfortable with it/have the experience or even care to do it.

Ie Polka and Botan are and example, they've been doing it b4 Holo and they have this mentality of "Vtubers should be able to live off of sponsors" you know, like normal Youtubers do, meanwhile Nene had this dream of being an Idol so she definitely was ready to do it, Lamy was a bit shy at the start but found a spot where being whiny, needy and cute would give her tons of Sc.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:38:09 2022 No.15746728

Its extremely simple. The homos don't collab with the girls because the girls don't want to. They have to maintain their idol image because the gachis give them tons and tons of money, and collabing with men would be a betrail in their eyes. Is this right? Are Gachikoi mentally ill? I don't know, and it honestly doesn't matter. What matters is that Idol culture, toxic as it may or may not be, is what brings tons of cash to Hololive's table, and they have to keep it going. Its business. The homos just have to find a way to market themselves better. Personally, i think more collabs with the niji homos could be really good for them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:38:25 2022 No.15746738 >>15746307 Tbf, if ANY of the rumors I've heard on this board some more believable than others, but all potentially rrats then Matsuri has more than just a lack of gachikoi to blame for low earnings

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:40:34 2022 No.15746835

>>15746504
True, money is more of a supporting argument for us since that behavior can often get attacked regularly by cretins. It's defending the relationship with one of the few things normalfags can actually understand, since they never let up on their retarded moral crusade against the dreaded parasocial relationship

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:40:40 2022 No.15746843

>>15745931
>>15746566
Well generally an idolfag is also simply just a fan of idols. There are of course plenty of unicorn idolfags but not all idolfags are unicorns. Idolfags also aren't inherently opposed to idols having any sort of interaction with the opposite sex(although it has to stay platonic of course) whereas a unicorn wouldn't wanna see their oshi in the same room as a man/woman

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:42:48 2022 No.15746923

>retards in this thread believing superchats equate to success.

Rushias donations are 80% of xqc's and yet he made more money this year then the entire 3rd gen combined.

Gachikoi baiters dont do it because it makes them money, they do it because they are just as mentally deformed as their simps.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:43:44 2022 No.15746962

>>15746688
I never said all Holos should do it. But keeping it the sort of default company culture like it iz now gives Holos a place to find that fanbase easily if they want to, without stopping other holos from doing male collabs if they really want to. Gachikoi culture is inherently more fragile than general entertainer culture so letting it be the "default" like it is is probably more helpful than the other way around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:45:09 2022 No.15747020 >>15729993 How do you think Miko feels knowing her goddess Sora and her girlfriend Suisei talk to and collab with males?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:45:59 2022 No.15747047 >>15746923 That's nice. Still not letting your Homos collab with my oshi.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:46:01 2022 No.15747050

>>15746843
A unicorn specifically is an idolfag who also wants his oshi to be a virgin. What you're describing as an idolfag is just a fan of idols. Not wanting their oshi to be in a relationship is the most common type of autism found among idol fans, those are idolfags.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:46:13 2022 No.15747060

>>15746923
What the fuck is that supposed to prove? If anything, its amazing that Rushia gets 80% of xqc's superchat revenue considering how she has a much smaller viewerbase. Obviously xqc is going to earn more money because he's a single individual who has multiple other methods of winning money (merch sales, sponsorships and etc), while the hololive girls only get a % of their superchats and merch sales since they're in a company. You're comparing apples to oranges.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:46:59 2022 No.15747089 >>15741466 Didn't help that they debuted around the time gen 3 aka the cabaret gen debuted.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:49:29 2022 No.15747185

Unless you're specifically interested with male anime characters(which is not the case for the majority of hololive fans), there's no point watching holostars when there are much more entertaining male jp streamers that already dominates the market. No amount of holo collab will save them.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:49:32 2022 No.15747186

>>15743781
That's not the reason of their slow growth newfagchama. NijiEn successful because the girls promoting the shit out of them before debut. Meanwhile Cover literally sabotaging Holostars creation
>doesn't give stars their own manager until Aruran debut
>doesn't give staff support especially tech support that result in Suzaku graduation
>doesn't give spotlight at all to Holostars not until Holocomi
>And lots more to the point Yagoo himself wished he handled Holostars creation better
Management fuckery like this usually kill any vtuber project. Even the mighty Kizuna Ai can't recover from management retardation. It's kind of miracles that Holostars managed to stay alive and kind of recovered alwuth the successful 3D live

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:49:38 2022 No.15747188 >>15742601 That's pretty nomal desu, it's pretty much a global rule among chuubas and their fandoms unles they say otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:50:51 2022 No.15747241 >>15747186 >NijiEn successful because the girls promoting the shit out of them before debut. Nobody watched NijiEN before Luxiem anyway so their "promotion" was pointless

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:52:59 2022 No.15747304 >>15747060 The point is that money was never the reason that female chuubas did or did not cater to unicorns. The ones who do it want to do it and the ones that don't do it don't want to do it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:53:28 2022 No.15747321 Man I like holostars but I sure dislike Izuru, gets mad when people use emotes in his chat and is completely against idol shit? Ungrateful man whore. I’ve never been mad at other members like the anti posting I’ve seen here but damn do I dislike him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:53:40 2022 No.15747329 >>15743214 Man, I remember that, Lack must have been really happy to see his only son finally collab with one of his siblings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:53:58 2022 No.15747335 >>15747089 Gen 3 was the tipping point and that is why I will forever love Sankisei. Without them who knows if we would have even half of the gachikoi relationships we have today

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:54:37 2022 No.15747351 >>15747321 Dang, he's against emote usage? I'd understand if it was spam but.....

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:54:44 2022 No.15747355 >>15747304 No other Holo is making anywhere near as much money as Lamy or Rushia though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:55:04 2022 No.15747370 Ok then, assuming holostars don’t pander to female unicorns then what would I have to do to become a male idol that landers to female unicorns?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:55:16 2022 No.15747375 >>15747186 When even Yagoo himself openly admitted that he fucked the Holostars that's when you know it's bad. They are trying to make up for lost time and it's sort of working, but the damage is done and they can't fully undo it.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:56:02 2022 No.15747405

>>15747351
I looked at Astels Jump King stream the other day and he was bitching out his viewers for talking to each other in his slow ass chatbox. It's not really hard to understand why the Stars are unpopular, they're all extremely fucking autistic and don't have the benefit of cuteness to fall back on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:56:10 2022 No.15747408 >>15747351 Oh sorry, I’m actually not sure, I think it was spam but what got me mad is that it only happened while he was singing which is like what every other fan does on every other chat while their oshi sings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:56:32 2022 No.15747416 >>15747355 Rushia is in love with her audience. She would do the GFE pandering even if she was broke as fuck and made no mention from it. That's the point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:57:08 2022 No.15747437 >>15743781 Tbf, Luxiem's succes has a lot more behind it than just pandering to gachis. >>15743619 Considering Hololive's ability to, not only survive bad situations, but come out stronger than before from them too, that ain't happenning anytime soon.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:57:11 2022 No.15747440

>>15747185
Here's the thing: most hololive fans are male EOPs. When watching a vtuber, if you cant understand what they're saying, the enjoyment you're going to get is from funny noises and them being cute. Males aren't cute to most males, so Holostars aren't going to be popular. There's just no reason to watch them because any value they could bring to the table is going to be lost because they can't understand Japanese. Its why hololive English is so fucking popular, like 80% of hololive global only talks about hololive English, because they're all EOPs. Conversely, Nijisanji JP males are mega popular because most of Nijisanji's fanbase is Japanese, they're even more popular than hololive there, and people watch their males for their content, not just because they're cute, just like they'd do for regular streamers.

TLDR : Its an EOP problem. Holostars can't compete in Japan because its dominated by Nijimales, and they can't dominate overseas like the girls because they aren't cute.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:58:06 2022 No.15747469

>>15729993
Hololive is an idol agency and a natural disposition of idol fans is possessiveness. The simps don't want their oshis talking with what they view as competition. Simple as that. It's nothing against the Holostars but simply men interacting and being friendly with Hololive in general.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:58:23 2022 No.15747480 >>15747355 You are unironically retarted if you think superchats are where the bulk of a vtubers earnings come from.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:58:27 2022 No.15747484 Ok so if Holostars doesn’t pander to female unicorns what would someone have to act like to pander to them and be an idol, not pureness but at least the not collabing with females rules and dance/sing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:58:35 2022 No.15747491 >>15747405 You're not supposed to talk to eachother in chat, no matter the stream. Its basic Japanese streamer rules.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 04:58:50 2022 No.15747502 >>15747416 Chloe has made as much money as the entirety of Myth in December. Yes that includes memberships and sponsorships.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:00:01 2022 No.15747547 >>15747480 You are unironically retarded if you think any Holo is making enough off sponsorships to make up the deficit between them and Rushia. You think Botan is making a million dollars a year off shill streams? Fuck no.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:00:49 2022 No.15747586 >>15747469 But anon, your argument doesn't matter because I think it's cringe and therefore you're wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:02:19 2022 No.15747650 Boy, it feels good to not be retarded.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:02:48 2022 No.15747674

>>15747480
Nah you're the fucking retard. Rushia has earned roughly 1.6 million dollars in superchats. If youtube takes 30% and cover takes 40% of the remaining cash, thats about 672 thousand dollars in her pocket. Do you SERIOUSLY think she's making more than that from her salary or from her sponsorship/merch cut? She's fucking not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:03:50 2022 No.15747710 >>15747405 (You) are a stupid EOP if you don't understand that not talking amongst yourselves in chat is a basic rule for most chuubas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:04:17 2022 No.15747726 >>15747405 Every single HoloPro member have this as a rule. This isn't fucking Twitch where you can use a slow chat like a Discord text channel, you retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:05:00 2022 No.15747755 >>15747491 Still seems like such a stupid rule, like what is a chat good for if it's not being used?

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:05:33 2022 No.15747774

>>15747710
What else are they going to talk about? Him falling down on his ass over and over? It's a basic tenet of small streams that you build up a community of people who know each other. If they can't do that then you can't build an audience. Big Holos can get away with that because their chat is endless emote spam, Astel can't because his stream is boring as fuck and chat moves slowly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:05:59 2022 No.15747788 >>15747484 If (You) became a male chuuba you could collab freely with female chuubas while still pandering to gachikoi, that's fine. You have to be willing to be extremely gay with your genmates and do a lot of ASMR though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:06:14 2022 No.15747796 >>15740048 Yes. She considers herself non-binary or some shit.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:06:27 2022 No.15747801

>>15747755
The chat is for talking to the streamer. Allowing people to talk among themselves leads to an unruly chat that is difficult to moderate. Same reason why you're not supposed to mention another vtuber in chat unless the streamer mentioned them first.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:06:32 2022 No.15747804 >>15747755 to talk to the streamer you retard

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:07:17 2022 No.15747832

>>15747674
Holos can renegotiate their superchat cuts and Rushia almost certainly has. She'd be getting a bigger cut than most Holos. The idea that anyone thinks ANY Holo is earning over 500k a year on shill streams is one of the most retarded things I've ever read here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:07:28 2022 No.15747841 >>15747774 >t. twitch cancer american EOP

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:08:00 2022 No.15747854 >>15747774 Ask the nips, they made this rule and that's the way that Japanese streaming culture works. I wouldn't take the side of the rule breaking EOPs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:08:21 2022 No.15747862 >>15747801 >>15747804 >Talk to Astel >AHHH CHING CHONG PING PONG NO TALK IN CHATTU WAITU PIGGU Nah, hard pass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:08:23 2022 No.15747864 >>15747804 You think people are too stupid to do both?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:08:38 2022 No.15747876 >>15747788 I actually like doing the asmr but prefer not being gay. Would the asmr be “to I’m your boyfriend type”

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:08:51 2022 No.15747885 >>15747755 Any stream chat that's allowed to talk among themselves devolves into angry arguments about politics in about 15 minutes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:09:07 2022 No.15747901 >>15747774 >build up a community of people I fucking hate EOPs so much, this is why I never fucking liked streamers before Hololive. Gachikoi are less cringe than you and your fucking "communities". Go ERP in Discord

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:09:35 2022 No.15747922 >>15747862 Of course it's an EOP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:10:09 2022 No.15747952 >>15747586 It is cringe but I'm still right. Pandering to lonely guys will always be profitable. Kronii and Chloe are two more recent examples.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:11:00 2022 No.15747983 >>15747862 Good, get filtered Waitu Piggu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:11:03 2022 No.15747985 >>15747901 >>15747922 Really a mystery why nobody wants to watch the Homos or associate with you fags, a real head scratcher.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:11:39 2022 No.15748008 >>15747862 Stick to simping for 'Dad', EOP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:12:05 2022 No.15748024 Fuck EOPs, do your reps fag

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:12:07 2022 No.15748026

>>15747801
The not mentioning other VTubers rule actually makes sense since people literally get carried away, but come on, how unruly do they really think a chat can get just from people going, "hey dude, how long do you think he's gonna be stuck on this part for?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:12:10 2022 No.15748028 >EOPs bad >but i want EOPs to watch my homos beggars...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:12:13 2022 No.15748029 >>15744187 I mean, Pengy always had a good amount of female viewers for a reason I guess.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:12:19 2022 No.15748034

>>15747408
>which is like what every other fan does on every other chat while their oshi sings

Why should Izuru tolerate what he doesn't like because everyone else allows it? He doesn't like emoji spam while he sings because he wants actual feedback. Astel is the same, and in fact said if you guys want to disregard his feelings and use emoji so badly, make him more popular that his chat becomes too fast to read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:12:32 2022 No.15748042 >15747985 Nah, I'm glad I don't have to deal with your ilk.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:13:33 2022 No.15748089 >>15748028 At least the newfags are being exposed to why the Homobeggars were always considered cancer in /jp/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:15:35 2022 No.15748183 >>15747885 Isn't there a banned words list they can use with bots, and then also have it in the rules? At least then it'll be easy to snip the bud of a growing problem

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:15:39 2022 No.15748187 File: 1.39 MB, 1299x1812, 1640357085970.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Needs rape correction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:15:40 2022 No.15748188 >>15747547 Why bring botan or shill streams up? My point is that the main breadwinner for vtubers (all youtubers to be honest) is popularity, the number of views you get both live and in VODS is where you make the bulk of your money via ads.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:15:42 2022 No.15748191

>>15748034
>Why should Izuru tolerate what he doesn't like because everyone else allows it?
Because if he doesn't it makes him look egocentric and autistic and nobody will watch him? Is his plan to be a 2 view for eternity because this is a good way to achieve it. You think the fag will ever get 10k watching him if the normies can't emote spam?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:16:19 2022 No.15748208 >>15748089 Anon, everyone who watches chuubas in /jp/ dislikes EOPs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:16:48 2022 No.15748228 >>15748188 Ad revenue is their smallest income stream retardchama. 1 member is worth what they make from ad revenue from a single VOD with 200k views.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:16:48 2022 No.15748229 File: 167 KB, 327x323, 1622575899219.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15747862 Astel is one of the homos who actually reads and replies to English comments. Try again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:17:37 2022 No.15748269 >>15748191 Do numberfags really not understand the concept of cultivating an audience?

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:19:00 2022 No.15748338

>>15748269
Cultivating an audience by being autistic and standoffish with the people who came to watch you and enforcing a bunch of dumb arbitrary rules that no other vtuber does? Good strategy! Why aren't the Homos getting 10k viewers a stream I can't understand it's the perfect way to grow!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:20:21 2022 No.15748384 >>15748191 Last I checked people were still watching him. Also Izuru likes talking to his chat so I'm sure he doesn't give a shit anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:20:25 2022 No.15748393 >>15748338 I guess thr average numberfag really can't understand anything other than numbers. Many such cases.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:20:33 2022 No.15748397 >>15747674 You really underestimate how much those shitty acrylic made profits

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:22:26 2022 No.15748488 File: 978 KB, 1920x1080, 1635592336455.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Legs.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:22:41 2022 No.15748499

>>15748397
All Holos sell that shit merch and Rushia is one of the more popular Holos with a fanbase who will obsessively buy all her merch. Again, it comes back to gachikois being more valuable pound for pound than casual viewers who would tolerate Homostar collabs. You're undermining your own argument.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:26:12 2022 No.15748644 >>15748228 And all the streamers who have gone on the record to state the opposite are all working together in a conspiracy to discredit you, right?

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:26:19 2022 No.15748647

>>15748338
The ones that do that are EOPs. Other than the dumb gachikoi that wanted to be treated like special princess by him his Japanese audience always obeyed the rules. Also pandering to EOP is a horrible idea. Aruran and Temma stopped doing that when they saw how much trouble it was to wake up early in the morning just for that audience to have an almost insignificant growth in their normal, non pandering streams. Aruran found more long term success with his Izakaya streams than the cultural exchange ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:28:24 2022 No.15748719 >>15748647 Didn't Temma want to start doing his English streams again though? Aruran definitely stopped permanently.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:31:23 2022 No.15748825

>>15748719
I believe he said it on the one he did in December, but at this point he's doing it to actually learn the language and not to increase his numbers since he's still the bottom one in both subs and ccv. Even Miyabi has a healthier ccv and he did 0 EOP pandering.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:32:59 2022 No.15748895

>>15748647
Temma stopped them due to entering Apex tourneys and having to prepare along the other boys for their 3D debuts and the Live in December plus other irl stuff iirc, he has even said he want to return to them when he has more free time.
And Aruran does seem to have stopped permanently, though I suspect it also has to do with how much certain individuals were popping up during his last streams, more specifically people who shoved the Holo girls and especially Coco on the memes they submitted for those streams.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:33:34 2022 No.15748916 It's not that deep, the reason why no one watches them is because they're not talented/entertaining enough to compete against other male twitch/youtube streamers and nijimales vtubers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:34:30 2022 No.15748941 >>15748825 I don't think Temma ever did it for numbers, I thought he wanted to learn English to communicate with the EOPs that were already there.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:38:26 2022 No.15749075

>>15748895
>>15748941
Temma was a bad example, but it still shows how pandering to EOPs doesn't actually increase your numbers. The English learning streams were one of his best performing streams, but he saw almost 0 growth from it. When the EOP saw that he wouldn't start using English constantly on normal streams they just dropped him, and they dropped him harder after he put the learning streams on hold because of how busy he was in the last 3 months.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:40:02 2022 No.15749125 >>15748034 Wanting "feedback" aka literally backseating on a karaoke is beyond retarded. Cheer emote and pachi pachi spam is a million times better. No wonder nobody watches holostars.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:40:41 2022 No.15749140 >>15748499 The point never was about the financial "weight" of gachikoi, my argument was simply that superchats are not the largest income stream.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:43:49 2022 No.15749238 >15749125 You're trying a little too hard with the bait anonchama.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:44:44 2022 No.15749261
File: 2.75 MB, 1400x1600, 1618618747572.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>Finally a post that talks consistently about the guy that introduced me to chuubas
>It is all shitting on him for being autistic
I Mean, you earn some you lose some i guess

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:45:37 2022 No.15749296

>>15749075
That makes no sense compared to Astel. Astel constantly caters to EOPs and he gets a massive boost from it compared to the other Holostars. Astel doesn't even speak great English. Once Temma has solid enough English that he feels confident in using it regularly even outside EN pandering streams he would probably get permanent growth.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:46:01 2022 No.15749311

>>15749238
Not bait. I've never seen a more retarded argument in my life. Who the fuck wants to read some nobody with no credentials try to critique a singing stream, in the middle of a singing stream? That's the time to cheer the perform, not to give advice. Do you also shout pointers to the guitarist in the middle of his solo at a concert? How fucking dumb are you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:46:38 2022 No.15749333 File: 74 KB, 529x787, 1635592305008.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15749261 I love my oshi's autism. Ignore the retards in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:47:49 2022 No.15749369 >>15749238 I agree with him, what the fuck advice could chat give to someone who is singing? since when should chat be musical experts? Can you post 1 example of what you would type in a karaoke stream that is considered feedback?

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:59:46 2022 No.15749854

>>15739604
>Female vtuber collab with a male vtuber.
Her autistic male fans will turn against her and becomes her Anti.
Meanwhile fans of the male she collabed with will welcome her at first but then call her a whore after their favorite husbando's popularity rise.
There are cases where fans of male K-pop idol refuses to believe their bias was a sex pest and harass the victims instead. Women are easily blinded by love. I don't recommend Hololive members to collab with any male vtuber with a significant female fanbase (<30%) for this reason.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 05:59:48 2022 No.15749856 >>15749311 >>15749369 samefagchama...

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:00:53 2022 No.15749908

>>15749296
It worked for Astel, but he also streams for ungodly hours and well into the Japanese morning, basically having a decent schedule for EOPs. Aruran and Temma don't, and other then the 24h endurance stream Aruran had recently neither of them seem interested in streaming around those hours. Even if Temma starts using English constantly he would still not see a big growth if he streamed around the Japanese afternoon/early evening, when most EOPs are sleeping. I could be wrong and he might grab a big EOP fanbase that likes to stay awake or wake up around his main streaming hours, but I still think that it's unlikely. Also don't forget that Astel saw a pretty decent growth in his JP fanbase with the networking he did after all those Apex tournaments he participated last year, so it wasn't all EOP pandering.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:01:54 2022 No.15749951 File: 33 KB, 293x228, 1637613018425.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15749908

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:04:25 2022 No.15750057

>>15747375
>but the damage is done and they can't fully undo it
Last half of 2021 definitely the beginning of Cover finally treating Holostars better. The timing is also coincidentally match with Coco graduation. I guess it's true that there's management restructuring after she left, and Holostars win a big one out of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:05:48 2022 No.15750121 >>15750057 kek, this faggot again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:06:40 2022 No.15750155 >>15749908 We will have to wait and see. Temma did purposefully do his English streams at times when he knew EOPs would be awake so I don't think he would overlook that detail if he kept it in mind before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:06:59 2022 No.15750169 >>15750057 choke a dick gaynigger

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:07:19 2022 No.15750188 >>15750121 What's wrong with it anon? Please enlighten me

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:07:40 2022 No.15750201 >>15750057 >it's the "holostars benefitted from coco's graduation" fag again I was starting to miss you anon-kun...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:09:01 2022 No.15750269 >>15749856 Why can't you answer, and how is that a schizo question? Not samefagging I am genuinely asking. How should I type in chat during a karaoke stream if cheer emoji is banned?

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:10:24 2022 No.15750328

>>15741466
Ironically I believe that the Holostars are actually partially responsible for the way Hololive is now.
When the Stars debuted the Hologirls were still doing collabs with Niji males with 0 issues and that made some people confused and question why Cover completely banned the Holostars from interacting with the girls.
When they finally removed the ban months later the girls were already losing interest and then later when they merged Hololive and Holostars into "Hololive Production" was what finally made most of the girls stop male Vtuber collabs. That infamous Miko clip where she talks about not wanting to collab with men anymore was literally a few days after the Hololive Production thing was announced.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:11:42 2022 No.15750390 >>15750169 >>15750201 Please enlighten this pheasant with your insightful knowledge. Please correct me when it's a fact that Shinove got promoted and Holostars get new managers right after Coco graduation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:12:11 2022 No.15750423 >>15732861 I think I did see that. When Luxiem collab with the other groups it seems like all members drop about 200 viewers than they otherwise would have.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:13:09 2022 No.15750464 >>15750328 Bruh do you even sankisei?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:13:44 2022 No.15750485 >>15750390 Birdanon...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:15:02 2022 No.15750549 holostars always get better treatment from YAGOO

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:15:33 2022 No.15750570 >>15750485 Yes anon I called myself bird because bird has small brain. That's why I ask enlightenment for the supposedly insightful anon over here

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:28:53 2022 No.15751052

>>15732861
Is the solution to that just be a male chuuba that have "boys" for an audience so they would be simping together instead of feeling alienated or envious at him in a collab?
And for holos that simp on homos as a secondary trait like Ollie and Bae, how does that look like?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:31:04 2022 No.15751145 >>15750549 Yeah like not giving them proper manager and tech support that ends up with talent graduation right?

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:33:26 2022 No.15751237

>>15750328
Anon, the current way of Hololive, as you put it, is because of sankisei, they were the first ones to go really serious with that kind of culture, so to speak, and way of going about things, which brought them and Hololive significant success and made several girls from previous gens follow that model too.
All that you mentioned would have still happenned even f Holostars didn't exist but sankisei did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:33:42 2022 No.15751248 >>15751145 >Yeah like not giving them proper manager and tech support Just like any other holos then. >graduating Shame, but good for him.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:39:00 2022 No.15751454

>>15749140
People only ever make this argument to then pretend that the chuuba with the most SC is also not the highest earner because there is no easy way to prove the obvious fact that the one with the most SC also has the most sales of anything else, too. A gachikoi-heavy audience is pound for pound more valuable, period.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:46:42 2022 No.15751786 >>15751454 They do? Damn, not me though so not sure why you would bring it up, I don't even have anything against Gachikoi/GFE vtubers. I literally came here for that one point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:47:19 2022 No.15751807 >>15751454 >there is no easy way to prove There is, just look at Nijisanji, Mito and Deron earn a tons with all the shit they do like record label deal, shill stream, etc

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:48:45 2022 No.15751859

>>15751237
>>15750464
Yes, and Sankisei were not that special for months after their debuts that happened in July and August.
Only Pekora and Marine started becoming strong at the end of 2019, and by that point the rest of Hololive had already changed as I mentioned.
Sankisei was the first true "no males" Gen but they were just doing what some of the other girls were already starting to do at that point, they didn't invent the concept of "stop collabing with males".

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:51:14 2022 No.15751966

>>15750328
I think when girls collab with males, they tend to lean on the dudes so much that their own personality won't grow. They'll just end up as "that girl who's close to that dude." I thought this when I was watching Hana stream Apex with Bobon a few months ago
cmiiw

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:53:58 2022 No.15752067 >>15751807 >literally makes the pivot I explicitly call out in the post Really nigger?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:54:38 2022 No.15752092 >>15751966 >They'll just end up as "that girl who's close to that dude." Doesn't really happen with Holostars especially Robert and Pizzadad. Robert especially has passive buff that make his collab partners louder and funnier

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:57:09 2022 No.15752185 >>15752092 People literally refer to animare as "Roberu's Harem", even Tamaki joked about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 06:57:10 2022 No.15752186 >>15752067 You literally typed >A gachikoi-heavy audience is pound for pound more valuable, period. Mito doesn't have gachikoi, her superchat turned off and she still earns a lot

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:00:29 2022 No.15752334

>>15752186
And gachikoi pandering makes more than her and Hololive makes more than Nijisanji. Stop coping. I specifically said that people will pivot to
>this means that gachikoi don't make the most money
And that pivot is exactly what you did. 8t's a retarded pivot. Gachikoi are more valuable than any other viewer. Giving retarded arguments to the contrary my time of day bores the fuck out of me because it's been done over and over again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:01:08 2022 No.15752356 >>15752185 It's actually goes both way, Roberu is also known as Inaba Haneru's plaything and Animare omocha no tantou (don't know the english equivalent), he even admitted it himself

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:02:30 2022 No.15752399 >>15752334 >Hololive makes more than Nijisanji. NTA but isn't anykara still bigger than cover?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:05:11 2022 No.15752486 >>15752334 Retard, anycolour's net worth is three times greater then cover. Why the fuck would you make an argument that a simple google search will disprove? Are you underage or disabled?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:06:42 2022 No.15752546 >>15752356 You type this shit and still don't understand why men wouldn't want to watch women with that kind of joke? The dude always takes the dominant role in a ship in terms of mental real estate, it's how people's minds work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:08:35 2022 No.15752602 >>15752486 Get back to me with that chart of Vtuber corpo earnings specifically accredited to vtubers that showed Holo blow Niji the fuck out of the water last year. If you think Mito makes more money than Rushia I have a bridge to sell you.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:11:00 2022 No.15752692

>>15752546
>why men wouldn't want to watch women with that kind of joke?
Haneru has tons of gachikoi, and she's equal with middle tier holo
>The dude always takes the dominant role
Only if you get your knowledge from 4chan. Roberu has speech debuff when there's Haneru presence, even mentioning her name is enough

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:17:28 2022 No.15752918 >>15752692 >Haneru has tons of gachikoi, and she's equal with middle tier holo Literal cuckolds are not a wide group to pull gachikoi from.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:20:11 2022 No.15753007 >>15752602 If you want to make an argument, its on you to provide the evidence. I'm not going to go looking for some random chart that may or may not exist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:22:48 2022 No.15753069 >>15752692 >Roberu has speech debuff when there's Haneru presence Tamaki as well. I would say Mea too but I think it's because Tamaki is also always there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:22:50 2022 No.15753071 File: 155 KB, 814x1326, 2021 Superchat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15752692 >Haneru has tons of gachikoi, and she's equal with middle tier holo Maybe in the past lol Not anymore

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:23:24 2022 No.15753087 >>15753007 I'm not having a retarded argument, I've had it enough over the last 2 years to know how it ends, with nijinigger cope and grasping at straws like always while Holo revenue continues to dwarf them more and more over time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:25:32 2022 No.15753158 >>15753071 Based anon, I should've fact checked the dude but I was retarded and gave him the benefit of the doubt. If there was ever a gachikoi who openly joked about his crush getting rammed by another dude I'd hardly consider him a gachikoi

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:26:22 2022 No.15753182 >>15751966 This can happen between all girls collabs too, like Kanata almost becoming nothing more than Coco's +1 or Moona being Pekora's sidekick. Then there's Ame and Gura for the HoloEN fans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 07:28:48 2022 No.15753265 >>15753087 If you want to run away when pressed for evidence, then go for it. I cant stop you.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 08:19:20 2022 No.15754821

I wonder if the new homos are going to be the "3rd Gen" of holostars.
There's already a bit of a spotlight on them, holofans and nijifans alike are aware they exist.
If the next gen has some talented mofos that make a splash similar to HoloX, they might incline the entire branch on their backs.

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 08:25:48 2022 No.15754999

>>15732861
I honestly think it's just the male part of their fanbase that's just going towards their favourite liver's POV for the collab. Despite what people think about the percentages for the Luxiem boys about their demographics, dudes are still a big percentage of their total viewerbase and I seriously doubt that will ever change

Anonymous Mon Jan 3 08:26:24 2022 No.15755023

>>15747050
yeah, there's levels to this -

Level 1 : Alright with whatever his oshi does outside of work as long as her work itself isn't affected. If her idol work starts to lower in quality/quantity due to off-stream stuff, they will be pissed.
Level 2 : Same as level 1, but doesn't want their oshi to bring up any of the stuff she does off-stream to on-stream talks. They're able to keep the separation as long as their oshi keeps things separate.
Level 3 : Do not want their Oshi to be in a relationship, either off stream or on stream. Are alright with male collabs as long as there's no flirting or romantic behavior on stream.
Level 4 : The ultimate schizo, who doesn't want his oshi to ever interact with a male, be it on stream or on twitter or anywhere else (Love Live fags).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 08:28:37 2022 No.15755085 >>15738445 Melissa isn't trans and I will not allow you to slander my life partner by assigning an identity to that isn't married to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 08:30:38 2022 No.15755130 >>15747985 go watch your faggot livestreamers sucking each others cock on twitch, you are not welcome here cretin

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 08:30:56 2022 No.15755143 >>15741421 Well to be fair, Izuru just straight up hates any woman that is younger than he is. He only likes older women who aren't mentally deranged like teenagers are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 08:31:45 2022 No.15755170 >>15747796 Non binary isn't trans it just means that Melissa will never fuck anything

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 08:52:56 2022 No.15755649 >>15753071 > less than polka > less than a literally graduated chuuba jesas she has fallen off... 90k is still a decent amount to take home though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 08:55:49 2022 No.15755714 >>15755649 it's not that she's fallen off it's just that everyone else started getting more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 3 09:00:39 2022 No.15755815 >>15755714 well in any case she's not a good argument for or against gachikoi

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