How do we save them?

[Anonymous No.]

Now that NijiEN Males are going to be debuting to what seems universal praise, IRyS being a complete failure as a EN VSinger, HoloX mogging all of Council's numbers in a little over a week, Council's constant breaks, Myth's new costume debuts being a failure numbers wise, and HoloEN getting utterly beaten by NijiEN in SC and hour streamed. How do we save HoloEN before they are no longer relevant to the EN Vtubing world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
They don't need saving. Let sleeping dogs lie

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
The only thing these new Nijifaggots are going to do is making the Holostars even more irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
Universal praise? No one's going to watch them, they're going to be huge failures.

[Anonymous No.]

I forgot Irys was supposed to be like the EN Sora lel
She stands out so much to the point where she doesn't even feel like she's a part of the same company as everyone else, they really did her dirty by having her debut on her own

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
>Omega out, morale up
>Gura MOTIVATED
>Kronii actually trying
>Bae finally hitting her stride
>HoloX sub growth and CCVs reclining down to Council levels now that the debut buff is wearing off
HoloEN is doing just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
>numbers

You belong here
>>14767914

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
>Universal Praise
When I see stream numbers we talk

[Anonymous No.]

>>14768661
Actualy, she's more like EN Azki.

[Anonymous No.]

Ame replace Omega

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
This is universal?
Dude Hololive sneezes and they make more subs than this and it's been 4 hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
To save EN you need to boost Gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869

[Anonymous No.]

>>14771891
fujobait was a bad idea

[Anonymous No.]

>universal praise
let me know when they beat the tutorial boss

[Anonymous No.]

>>14771891
they will all be under 50k and people will still say that they can be saved with collabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>14772010
>let me know if they beat the tutorial boss
ftfy

[Anonymous No.]

>>14772227
Niji management will obviously think so

[Anonymous No.]

>>14771941
Yikes. Seems here that HoloEN has dropped significantly while NijiEN is inclining

[Anonymous No.]

>>14772558
So, blind, delusional, or both?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14772645
I don't think he knows how to read the chart, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14772698
So we'll pencil it down as "nijifags are poorly educated".

[Anonymous No.]

>>14772558
Council is in a mild decline, but HoloEN as a whole are on a much steeper incline than NijiEN are. You can interpret the reasons as you like, but both NijiEN and HoloEN are inclining, with Holo inclining harder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
niji midgets should know your place
get your head out of the clouds

[Anonymous No.]

Depending on how well the NijiEN males do might convince Cover to actually do Holostars EN as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
Fire Gura and everything is fixed

[Anonymous No.]

>>14768661
Who's Sora?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14775941
End your life and everything is fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>14768225
>making the Holostars even more irrelevant
PLEASE
seeing the stupid 'what is he talking about' and 'wow hes so cute' en comments in the holostars chat is so annoying

[Anonymous No.]

If these males somehow gets 20k Debut numbers and 10k ccv on their first week. They will get massive kneelers and praise.

When Council got 90k+ Debut numbers and their ace had 30k to 20k ccv on her first week. Lots of Doomposting.
When HoloX debuted and gets massive success. They get used to shit on other Holos. And when they start to fall, Doomposts starts.

You nijifags are insufferable. And you call /vt/ & Numbers Thread as the Hololive Hugbox when your chuubas don't perform well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
Don't you have being a twitter warrior and prepping your bulls >>14771891 for your oshi to be doing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14777610
It doesn't work like that with Niji. For example, Ethyria got the highest debut numbers out of the three girl waves but yet their regular streaming numbers are some of the lowest, and sub counts have stalled for 3 of the 4 and SC have been abysmal as well compared to the previous 2 waves. The males will likely get 15-20k debut based on current trends, with a lot of padding from curious JP fans it looks like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
>IRyS being a complete failure as a EN VSinger
Since when was charting top 5 in 15 different countries considered a failure?

[Anonymous No.]

>If these males somehow gets 20k Debut numbers and 10k ccv on their first week. They will get massive kneelers and praise.
>When Council got 90k+ Debut numbers and their ace had 30k to 20k ccv on her first week. Lots of Doomposting.
>When HoloX debuted and gets massive success. They get used to shit on other Holos. And when they start to fall, Doomposts starts.
>You nijifags are insufferable. And you call /vt/ & Numbers Thread as the Hololive Hugbox when your chuubas don't perform well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14778484
Irys failed as a concept, Mori is more of a vsinger than Irys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14778605
dont care mate, shes legit top 3 best things to happen to Hololive in the last 2 years

[Anonymous No.]

>>14778605
>Irys failed as a concept
in what measurement?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14778676
Irys was supposed to be a more idol focused chuba like Ai. Everyone expected her to become irrelevant like Azki. Instead she wound up being seen as just another Hololive vtuber, effectively failing to be either spectacular or a ginormous failure.

As far as /vt/ is concerned, she's a regular run of the mill hololive chuba like all the rest. So in that sense she succeeded as a vtuber despite failing as a standalone concept, given that collab streams are her greatest strength.

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>>14778941
>As far as /vt/ is concerned, she's a regular run of the mill hololive chuba like all the rest
as far as /vt/ is concerned its not uncommon to see her ranked above most of myth and council so youre literally fucking clueless

[Anonymous No.]

>Irys was supposed to be a more idol focused chuba like Ai. Everyone expected her to become irrelevant like Azki. Instead she wound up being seen as just another Hololive vtuber, effectively failing to be either spectacular or a ginormous failure.
>As far as /vt/ is concerned, she's a regular run of the mill hololive chuba like all the rest. So in that sense she succeeded as a vtuber despite failing as a standalone concept, given that collab streams are her greatest strength

[Anonymous No.]

>>14771891
Why are all of them so gay looking?
Where is my chad Belmond EN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14778941
>Instead she wound up being seen as just another Hololive vtuber, effectively failing to be either spectacular or a ginormous failure.
This pretty much, she's just there. I don't think people were expecting her to be irrelevant though, a lot felt it was going to be a more focused Azki that will come out with original songs or singing more covers, collaborating with music studios, and having the support of Cover in these endeavors.

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>>14779037
>>14778941
This sounds like more a failure of your unreasonably high expectations (lets not pretend the vsinger concept is some tried and true method of success outside of Suisei) than it is Irys living up to them

The fuck did you really expect? An album a month or something? She works for Hololive not Sony Records

[Anonymous No.]

>>14768784
>total SC beaten by HoloX in just a week of monetization
>highest council sub passed by new girl soon to be two
>All of HoloX passed Sana subs
>Breaking Kronii SC records on the first monetization stream by X2 ( Chloe $90k )
>not a single member of HoloX get below 10k ccv during their very first solo stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>14779265
What is this holojp vs holoEN faggotry
KYS nigger, HoloX's amazing success is good for everyone and shows the Japs still give a shit about their own

[Anonymous No.]

>>14779265
>>total SC beaten by HoloX in just a week of monetization
>>highest council sub passed by new girl soon to be two
>>All of HoloX passed Sana subs
>>Breaking Kronii SC records on the first monetization stream by X2 ( Chloe $90k )
>>not a single member of HoloX get below 10k ccv during their very first solo stream

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>>14779097
Don't be a fucking retard, her only original album was back in July and there's nothing on the board for half a year. Then why the fuck did they market her as a Vsinger instead of sticking her in gen 2? If you think those are high expectations then you should fuck right off for defending Cover's shitty behavior of not supporting their talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>What is this holojp vs holoEN faggotry
>KYS nigger, HoloX's amazing success is good for everyone and shows the Japs still give a shit about their own

[Anonymous No.]

>>14779305
>If you think those are high expectations then you should fuck right off for defending Cover's shitty behavior of not supporting their talents.
Why are you so mad for getting called out?
You know she's been recording the past month and a half right? Or are you perpetually stuck in summer of 2021? What's your cope of not keeping up if you have such a high amount of caring into her

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>>If you think those are high expectations then you should fuck right off for defending Cover's shitty behavior of not supporting their talents.
>Why are you so mad for getting called out?
>You know she's been recording the past month and a half right? Or are you perpetually stuck in summer of 2021? What's your cope of not keeping up if you have such a high amount of caring into her

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
>NijiEN Males are going to be debuting to what seems universal praise
Lol. Lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14776010
Someone Mito kneeled to

[Anonymous No.]

Jannies are late again...

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
(you)

[Anonymous No.]

I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>14779265
all of HoloX covers songs passed 1M as well.. La+ Cover is at 3M meanwhile council...

[Anonymous No.]

>>14779288
Congratulations, they had early explosive growth and have a shit ton of paypigs. Doesn’t refute anything I’ve said about how they are now, with Lui getting sub-10k views most streams and Chloe tanking her average/median viewership with SC readings at odd hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14779944
They debuted their covers right after they debuted
Council have like 2 covers under their branch and both are from Bae
What do you expect?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
They're going to be eating out of trash bags in 3 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14773785
Good luck convincing Cover to do that since the indogs have been begging for overseas holostars since ID2 and STILL waiting for it rn

[Anonymous No.]

>They're going to be eating out of trash bags in 3 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14779380
Sounds like the guy who used to insist that Pomu was having a better career than IRyS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
*Ding Ding*

Behold and gather round children. In today's class we're going to study how the Nijijew lies and attempts to twist reality to better cope with her sense of inferiority. Let's go through each claim one by one shall we?

>Now that NijiEN Males are going to be debuting to what seems universal praise.

Of course they aren't. Even for male designs they're noticeably bad. Also take use of the future tense used here. They haven't actually debuted yet. People will feign interest at first, but it won't stick. NijiEN Males will be the failure you already know it will be.

> IRyS being a complete failure as a EN VSinger

We'll come back to this in a minute, but I'll raise it here so people can't accuse me of skipping it.

>HoloX mogging all of Council's numbers in a little over a week

And this is where the cat is let out of the bag. Here we see that in order to make Council seem like failures he must compare them to... not a Niji EN branch, but rather another Hololive branch. In doing so he also establishes numbers as a metric. Ultimatly Counciil mogs all of Niji EN in this category as well, meaning that if Council are a failure we must conclude Niji EN is an even bigger failure. Same goes for IRyS comparisons.

>Council's constant breaks

Irrelevent.

> Myth's new costume debuts being a failure numbers wise.

Still more than what Niji EN can pull in. Also again they're using in-house Holo numbers to define failure. When the NIji's get more outfits then we can make a proper comparison. I have feeling it won't go well for the Niji's though.

>HoloEN getting utterly beaten by NijiEN in SC .

And here we see the goalposts being changed. In the only actual comparison made to Niji EN as well. This is because the Nijijew doesn't want you to realise that Holo EN gets almost all of it's money from subscriber count and it's understood that the more subscribers a vtuber has the less SC they tend to make. Ultimatly Holo EN still pass Niji EN in the streets when they go to deposit their cheques (if they remember to and don't lose them in piles of garbage - a priveledge of success).

>and hour streamed.

Irrelevent, but you can have this one if you want.

Capcha: NJAID

[Anonymous No.]

>>14780041
Why can't council do the same? Hell even kronii and mumei teased cover / original songs on their debut just like what HoloX did, but HoloX actually deliver

[Anonymous No.]

>>14780852
That sounds like a them problem familia I don't have the answers

[Anonymous No.]

>>14771941
So fucking sick of those mid-months graphs. Last months holokeks also were posting a graph where HoloEN was inclining in November. Now look at how it ended up. Sure, they are most likely to incline during December, but it will be much smaller incline than you see here.

[Anonymous No.]

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>*Ding Ding*
>Behold and gather round children. In today's class we're going to study how the Nijijew lies and attempts to twist reality to better cope with her sense of inferiority. Let's go through each claim one by one shall we?
>>Now that NijiEN Males are going to be debuting to what seems universal praise.
>Of course they aren't. Even for male designs they're noticeably bad. Also take use of the future tense used here. They haven't actually debuted yet. People will feign interest at first, but it won't stick. NijiEN Males will be the failure you already know it will be.
>> IRyS being a complete failure as a EN VSinger
>We'll come back to this in a minute, but I'll raise it here so people can't accuse me of skipping it.
>>HoloX mogging all of Council's numbers in a little over a week
>And this is where the cat is let out of the bag. Here we see that in order to make Council seem like failures he must compare them to... not a Niji EN branch, but rather another Hololive branch. In doing so he also establishes numbers as a metric. Ultimatly Counciil mogs all of Niji EN in this category as well, meaning that if Council are a failure we must conclude Niji EN is an even bigger failure. Same goes for IRyS comparisons.
>>Council's constant breaks
>Irrelevent.
>> Myth's new costume debuts being a failure numbers wise.
>Still more than what Niji EN can pull in. Also again they're using in-house Holo numbers to define failure. When the NIji's get more outfits then we can make a proper comparison. I have feeling it won't go well for the Niji's though.
>>HoloEN getting utterly beaten by NijiEN in SC .
>And here we see the goalposts being changed. In the only actual comparison made to Niji EN as well. This is because the Nijijew doesn't want you to realise that Holo EN gets almost all of it's money from subscriber count and it's understood that the more subscribers a vtuber has the less SC they tend to make. Ultimatly Holo EN still pass Niji EN in the streets when they go to deposit their cheques (if they remember to and don't lose them in piles of garbage - a priveledge of success).
>>and hour streamed.
>Irrelevent, but you can have this one if you want.
>Capcha: NJAID

[Anonymous No.]

>>14780232
fucking based

[Anonymous No.]

>>14780232
A list of holocope in this post alone:
>Even for male designs they're noticeably bad.
>People will feign interest at first, but it won't stick.
>NijiEN Males will be the failure you already know it will be.
>Ultimatly Counciil mogs all of Niji EN in this category (note. stupid holokek forgot about one of the most important numbers - superchats)
>if Council are a failure we must conclude Niji EN is an even bigger failure
>Irrelevent.
>Still more than what Niji EN can pull in. (note. stupid holokek trying to slither out of answering about myth recline (-42% kek) and instead tries to compare with niji numbers)
>And here we see the goalposts being changed. (note. stupid holokek didn't realize that it's HIM who's changing goalposts)
>Holo EN gets almost all of it's money from subscriber count and
>the more subscribers a vtuber has the less SC they tend to make
>Ultimatly Holo EN still pass Niji EN in the streets when they go to deposit their cheques (note. info is pulled from stupid holokek's asshole)
>Irrelevent, but you can have this one if you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14780232
Absolutely based

[Anonymous No.]

>>14780232
Proof next thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14767869
By making sure Omega doesn't return from their MIA.