NijiEN Would be More Successful on Twitch

[Anonymous No.]

Raids, gift subs, bigger community for streamers, better discoverability for streamers, wider community of vtubers to interact with, etc...
Doesn't it kind of suck that NijiEN would likely have higher viewers and more income if their company just allowed them to stream on Twitch?
I'm pretty sure pic related wishes she could

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639925
I never saw a good post with an image of Selen attached.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639925
It's a complicated topic, Twitch has a bigger platform overall but YouTube has fewer competition for Vtubers which means they get a better spotlight, some anon said before that twitch only gets a cut of subscription and not from the bits and donations so that might be the deciding factor

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder what getting a handy from Selens dragon arm would feel like

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639925
They could just stream on Twitch and YouTube at the same time, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639997
>YouTube has fewer competition for Vtubers
Would this matter as much though when they'd be flying under the banner of the second most well known VTuber agency in the world?
I feel like if they had done NijiEN on Twitch from the start, they'd be so well known by brand name that they'd have gained quite a following in Twitch and the wider Twitch VTuber community.
Hell, they interact with Twitch VTuber's on Twitter all the time. Now imagine if they could get raids from them and collab with them on the same platform. Many of these big VTubers on Twitch really love the Nijisanji name, so they'd definitely try to connect with and raid the NijiEN girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639925
I have literally never seen a good post with a Selen image attached

[Anonymous No.]

>>14640106
No, most of them either have contracts with the companies they work for or twitch/YouTube themselves + twitch partners can’t stream on any other platform

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639997
Anon, the biggest vtuber on twitch is Nyanners, and she gets an average of 9k viewers. The bigger platform argument doesn't really hold up when it comes to vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639925
>better discoverability for streamers
Twitch's system is built around promoting live streams. If you're not live your channel might as well not exist so discoverability is volatile as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14640106
Not if you want to make money, no. Twitch partners cannot stream on any other platform and if you want to make any actual money and not just pocket change you need to be a partner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14640172
Nina should be fine, then

[Anonymous No.]

All I see on twitch is constant retarded drama. And most of the vtubers there arent ones you'd want to interact with. Selen tried to collab with Zentraya, it was a tts mess and we all remember the disaster the big gary's mod collab was.

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>>14639925
Even big streamers talk about leaving twitch in favor of youtube.
And for VTubers Twitch is a debuff. The Twitch community promotes e-thotery and they have to act in a certain way to gain viewers, so they end up like the rest of the e-sluts.

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>>14640163
I wonder what her equivalent numbers would be on youtube with the exact same audience, given the way live view counts get culled there

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>>14640608
>Even big streamers talk about leaving twitch in favor of youtube
Yep, when they're offered millions of dollars to do so

[Anonymous No.]

>>14640608
>The Twitch community
biggest reason twitch fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck is wrong with Dragoons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639997
>youtube daily users: 122 million
>twitch daily users: 30 million

[Anonymous No.]

twitch has no discoverability you ignoramus. It specifically panders to numbersfags because it has no youtube algorithm. When someone clicks "browse" of a category they just watch the first 2-3 results aka the one with the most viewers and never scroll down

[Anonymous No.]

>>14640665
6-8k and she wouldn’t get bounties like she does on twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14640705
I'm OP and I'm not a dragoon.
Just genuinely wonder what people think

[Anonymous No.]

twitch doesnt fit japanese style vtubing. what theyd actually lose if they moved to it is the japanese niji fanbase, collabs with niji jp members, western casual vtuber fans who watch both holo and niji and dont care about shitty tribalism and dramas, their archives, easy links and connections to other channels.

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>>14639973
I aint never seen two pretty best friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641297
>what theyd actually lose if they moved to it is the japanese niji fanbase, collabs with niji jp members
I just don't feel like that matters as much for success as a more profitable platform, but I can see how it would reduce group cohesion when it comes to the other branches

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641356
Nijisanji barely has any group cohesion to begin with so I don't see the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

Feel about Twitch however you want, but the truth is anyone would be more successful streaming on Twitch rather than Youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641356
>more profitable platform
If it were, they'd be there.

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>>14641468
I don't think that's true, anon. I feel like they're not there because Any Color is a Japanese company and they either don't see the bigger picture in the West, or don't want to switch any of their members off of YouTube because they started on YouTube and it would be a 'disgrace' to switch what the company is doing.
Those are both probably retarded examples, but my point is they're only allowed on YouTube as a result of being part of a Japanese company.

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>>14639925
>if their company just allowed them to stream on Twitch?
they already can stream on Twitch, newfag. most of them already have Twitch accounts too and a few have used them (usually when YT shits the bed). a few JPs and all the KRs have Twitch accounts too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639925
Fact: Selen would be better off in Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641513
https://www.twitch.tv/selentatsuki

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641513
Could they use those full time if they wanted to, though? And if they could, when they got Twitch partnered, would Nijisanji be okay with them no longer being allowed to stream on YouTube?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641516
doki
bird

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641516
Don't want her
t. holobrony

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639925
Please stop shitposting with my wife, Twitch sucks balls, the top female streamer is an e-prostitute, the top vtubers group is leaded by another prostitute (i know where melody came from, and how much she carged for a lapdance)

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641603
Your wife willingly streamed there before she was no longer allowed to

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641549
there's nothing stopping them from streaming on Twitch as much as they want or applying for Affiliate but YT is still the main platform, they can't outright ditch it

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641666
>YT is still the main platform, they can't outright ditch it
This is what I'm saying anon. They can't switch to Twitch from YouTube. I genuinely think they would be more successful if they had all debuted on Twitch and used that as their main platform, but I can agree with you that it's kinda too little too late for that at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641356
niji en is special because they have an actual connection to japanese vtubers, industry, artists and 3d modelers. without them, niji en vtubers are just western indie vtubers. especially those fluent in japnaese like petra, elira and rosemi would totally lose their jp contents and connections.

theyd also lose clips and its culture. clip culture is one of the biggest parts of vtuber culture because japnaese vtubing focuses the interactions and the character developments between multiple vtubers. twitch doesnt/cant have such a collab friendly structure.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if twitch actually pays people to post stuff like this. It's not beneath them, nothing is, I just wonder if they do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641603
amouranth works harder than any corpo vtuber and has multiple youtube channels and sms outlets, sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641729
>theyd also lose clips and its culture. clip culture is one of the biggest parts of vtuber culture
Twitch VTubers get clipped all the time anon. On par with VTubers of the same size on YouTube.
>focuses the interactions and the character developments between multiple vtubers. twitch doesnt/cant have such a collab friendly structure.
This has been shown to also work on Twitch. It's just as collab friendly. It's also easier to introduce your audience to other VTubers because you can raid their streams. It's an actual feature on Twitch to end your stream and have it automatically take your viewers to the stream of another streamer of your choice

[Anonymous No.]

for all its faults, Google is a much better platform than twitch can ever be

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641825
Not when it comes to moderation tools, it isn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641832
it's not the tools fault when staff adds a bunch of zhangs as moderators

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641973
I see we're thinking of the same incident here

[Anonymous No.]

If Nijisanji is going to keep releasing waves they might as well at least try it with one wave at least.

[Anonymous No.]

Did you even check the leaks? Even the biggest vtubers on twitch get a fraction of what a top youtuber gets if you match ad revenue, bits and memberships vs youtubes ad revenue, superchats and membership into annual pay. It's no wonder they also use youtube as a supplement. Also, top streamers are willinging switching over to youtube so that tide may be shifting pretty soon.

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>>14639925
>Selen says retard
>gets banned
>comes back
>says some other slightly offensive word
>passing Jannie pisses themselves, bans her again
>it doesn't help some of them have hateboners for anime anything
Twitch is good for small streamers to grow, youtube is good for established streamers to not deal with the many flavors of faggot twitch plays with. Yes they still have to deal with Susan's "AI" but It's slightly less shit than twitches ever roiling pot of steaming shit. Can't even call a simp a simp on there. Both Hololive and Niji are better on youtube.

Now OP, if you REALLY want to get some bait posts rolling, say they'd do better on Trumps streaming site when he eventually makes it. now THAT would get you some yous.

[Anonymous No.]

Twitch has content control to the point of banning for language and doesn't allow "their" talents to stream on other platforms. Even billibilli isnt that restrictive

[Anonymous No.]

>>14642128
>top youtuber
This is not NijiEN, thus this thread saying they would get more viewers on Twitch.
>top streamers are willinging switching over to youtube
Because of contracts offering them millions of dollars from YouTube to do so

[Anonymous No.]

numberfags are the worst. How hard is it to just enjoy something without worrying about what the public thinks of it. Not even /tv/ does this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>14642138
multi million dollar site with 4chan moderation and reddit culture

[Anonymous No.]

>>14642138
>>14642144
Isn't Any Color already policing their language?
Why would that matter on Twitch if it's already taken care of by the company?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14642267
>Isn't Any Color already policing their language?
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>14642267
No, do you even watch streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641516
She really wouldn't. The two niji ENs that would be better off in Hololive are Pomu and Rosemi. The latter i have to imagine would be extremely popular as a holo, she fits the brand really well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14642323
NijiEN? Not really. Every once in awhile I'll drop by. I find it hard to believe Selen just calls people retards all the time, though. If she does, that's pretty based and I'll eat my words

[Anonymous No.]

>>14642267
>14642402
Anon, I don't even watch Selen's streams and I know there's no way they're policing that language she's using. Woman could scream cunt on stream 100 times in a row and they wouldn't give a shit. the one and only clip I saw was calling her own senpai a pussy and telling him to insult her and swear at her in Indonesian.
>>14642258
>Site backed by BezosBucks with over moderation and twitch "culture"
Pick your poison, there, Einstein.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14642527
>could scream cunt on stream 100 times
That's fine on Twitch
>calling her own senpai a pussy and telling him to insult her and swear at her in Indonesian
That's fine on Twitch

[Anonymous No.]

No.

niji is a dead brand

[Anonymous No.]

>>14640681
I kind of hate their interface too

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639997
Twitch gets bit cuts too, but donations are handled offsite through something like streamlabs which twitch can't get a part of.
>>14640967
Youtube daily users use it to watch videos, not streams
Twitch daily users exclusively watch streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14642691
Twitch doesn't get bit cuts from what the streamer gets, though. The streamer gets $1 for every 100 bits they get.
It's just that for the consumer, it costs more than $1 to buy 100 bits, so the cost is placed on the consumer instead of the streamer. This is why I only use things like streamlabs donations.

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/akDHyKm7kk0?t=603

[Anonymous No.]

>>14642691
I wouldn't want to get into the user dynamics because you can equally argue that YT is an ocean of fresh meat who see nothing wrong with supporting female streamers while Twitch's resident culture generally looks down on ""wholesome"" support of the streamer

[Anonymous No.]

>>14642629
You severely underestimate the autism of a janny, firstly. Secondly if she says that I'd assume she's just fine with the word "retard", but I'll leave that to someone more versed in her actual streams rather than myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14642766
Not gonna watch that, but I have changed my opinion.
Everyone needs to Facebook Gaming NOW

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641297
They don't seem to collab that much with niji JP though

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641819
>Twitch VTubers get clipped all the time anon. On par with VTubers of the same size on YouTube.

Most vtuber fans dont want to go to other sites. You see a clip on Youtube, and then can search them and subscribe them. Its easy as hell. Which matters. Like i said, not all Niji EN fans only watch it. Many of them that include me watch both Hololive and Nijisanji, JP and EN. If they moved to Twitch, theyd just lose many of the "vtuber fans".

>This has been shown to also work on Twitch. It's just as collab friendly. It's also easier to introduce your audience to other VTubers because you can raid their streams. It's an actual feature on Twitch to end your stream and have it automatically take your viewers to the stream of another streamer of your choice

Even if all of this was true, then again you and they would lose all the connections to other branches. Japanese vtubing is specialised in making/experiencing good "dramas". For example, their mamas or papas often comment on chat or superchat them, and fans feel heartwarmed experiencing such a special time. These small dramatic things do matter. Imagine Holo EN members streaming without any information of Holo JP members/artists/Yagoo, collabs with JP members, events on JP MC server, and the JP industry. Itd be boring as hell.

Niji EN has yet to have many collabs with Niji JP members, but they will have and join some big JP events in the near future like finally one of the popular Niji JP vtubers Debidebiru totsu'd Petra a few days ago. You wouldnt be able to get these "dramas" if they moved to Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643091
>You see a clip on Youtube, and then can search them and subscribe them.
Clippers usually put the Twitch channel of the streamer in the description, so I don't feel it's any harder to find them.
As for your JP branch comments, I don't disagree with you. If someone cares about EN's connections with the JP branch, they'd be right to want to keep them on YouTube

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>>14641819
>It's an actual feature on Twitch to end your stream and have it automatically take your viewers to the stream of another streamer of your choice
When I watch a stream, last thing I want is some randos appearing and flooding the chat with "[streamername] sent us", demanding attention and derailing the stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639925
I enjoy the small shitpost videos/songs/covers Enna and Rosemi put out and Twitch doesn't have support for that so it can suck my dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>14642128
They use Youtube as a supplement for offline discoverability + VOD archiving. And the differences in revenue are not as drastic as everyone makes them out to be. At the very very top, sure, but there's like 10 people at that level and the vast majority are extremely comparable or doing better on Twitch thanks to gifted subs, direct donations, and bits.

[Anonymous No.]

Youtube Live is getting raids, gift memberships, and a youtube premium twitch prime equivalent in 2022.

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>>14643236
Guess that's just a preference then. I like it when streamers who are friends can raid each other, or streamers you watch can show off smaller streamers they recommend
>>14643293
Fair enough. I just subscribe to the Twitch VTuber's YouTube channel for that kind of stuff, but I can see wanting it all in one place I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643339
Does it also get a theater mode that doesn't suck and global emotes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643339
I knew about the gifted memberships, but not about raids. It'll be interesting to see how this grows YouTube's live streaming ecosystem

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>>14643341
Wouldn't it be wild if both sites had profile sections where they could link to each other and not have to worry about this ridiculous notion that streaming on Twitch means you can't have a Youtube presence at all? A big part of why Nyanners blew up so much in the first place was her Youtube videos getting attention and those people feeding into her Twitch viewership.

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>>14643466
Yes you're right, but I didn't want to point out the obvious to anon unless it was really clear I had to.
It's easy to look in 'about' sections on either site and find links to the VTubers other presences online

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>>14641064
Nah it would likely be higher than her twitch viewer count since that is usually the difference between Youtube and Twitch livestreams, more discoverability. Especially since she's been making YouTube videos for some time.
It would not be worth it for it tho, Twitch partner program is probably quite lucrative. And you could arguably reach some of the YouTube audience already with videos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643091
>Niji EN has yet to have many collabs with Niji JP members
Selen was collabing with Kanae pretty often. Oliver is honorary niji en.
The vtuber culture on twitch is very different in a way that turns me off. That isn't changing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643466
>A big part of why Nyanners blew up so much in the first place was her Youtube videos getting attention and those people feeding into her Twitch viewership
This is basically the main gameplan for most streamer in the west. Stream on Twitch, post videos on YouTube and it'll work well if you got good attention on both.

[Anonymous No.]

I was going to respond to some of the posts in this thread but it seems like a waste of energy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643466
>streaming on Twitch means you can't have a Youtube presence at all
You can dump vods since twitch doesn't give two fucks about vods, but if you're a partner you can't go putting content elsewhere, no. Twitch maintains a walled garden.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643653
At least this thread seems pretty civil

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639925
>Raids, gift subs
Coming to YouTube next year.
>bigger community for streamers, better discoverability for streamers
Debatable. Twitch's community is a mess and the management of Twitch is even worse. NijiEN can still collab with Twitch streamers too so them being on YouTube doesn't matter much.
>wider community of vtubers to interact with
Oh no think about all the 0 view PNGtubers they are missing out on collabing with. Oh wait, they can still collab with anyone they want even if they are on Twitch.
>Doesn't it kind of suck that NijiEN would likely have higher viewers and more income if their company just allowed them to stream on Twitch
There is no evidence that this is the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643687
>but if you're a partner you can't go putting content elsewhere
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
You can't stream on other platforms but you can still make videos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643687
You can make YouTube videos as a Twitch partner. You can post your Twitch clips on your YouTube channel. You can do whatever you want on your YouTube channel except stream as a Twitch partner and it's fine. IronMouse has even streamed on her YouTube channel a couple of times to celebrate YouTube milestones, and nothing bad has happened to her as a result.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643732
>>Raids, gift subs
>Coming to YouTube next year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639925
>>14639997
Twitch is oversaturated with garbage. Standing out and being discovered by people is almost impossible. I've seen people with 25 viewers go down to 4 on Twitch. You have less engagement overall and less staying power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643804
But anon, you could get a free membership

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643732
>Twitch's community is a mess and the management of Twitch is even worse
This is subjective and it's not like YouTube is much better at this

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643836
>Standing out
They would be doing this by being streamers under the name of Nijisanji, the second most notable VTuber company in the world

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643838
I'm neither homeless nor underage

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643873
At least to me YouTube doesn't seem as bad. It might change when raids and gift subs are added next year though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643378
Extensions exist
Emojis are enough, really don't need to see stupid pogchamp shit being spammed all the time

[Anonymous No.]

>yfw a grey name youtube user is talking to your oshi in your general direction

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643925
Depends how they implement raids.
I hope they have some sort of whitelist or ability to turn it off.

[Anonymous No.]

Was looking at something about this just last night. When Ironmouse first discovered + befriended LordAethelstan he was a sub 100 viewer streamer and you can see the effect that continued raids have had on his viewership since then. He's still not a massive guy but his average stream views have gone up 6-8x since.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643878
>, the second most notable VTuber company in the world
they would be just Twitch streamer #29783644 if it wasn't for youtube, twitch don't work well with shilling and recommending other vtubers on the same company, you also don't have clipnigger channels that leech from the vtubers to boost their popularity

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643972
Imagine the backseating and chat misbehaving
Finana will not survive

[Anonymous No.]

They've definitely raised the amount of collabs they're having with JP, they collabed with Chima and Lain recently. Then you have Reimu collabing with that KR guy. Not sure why anons are saying they don't interact with the other branches.

[Anonymous No.]

Yes, please come to twitch so I can spam

"BatChest I HECKIN LOVE VTUBERS" in their chats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14639925
SELEN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE MARRY ME I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, EVEN THOUGH I HATE TWITCH, I WOULD WATCH YOU STREAM THERE

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>>14644031
>twitch don't work well with shilling and recommending other vtubers on the same company
Raids. Also you can join 'stream teams' (not sure the official name) where it'll be a link to a page with everyone else on your team that shows up next to your stream title. YouTube is apparently getting raids, so we'll see if it works as well as it does on Twitch.
>you also don't have clipnigger channels that leech from the vtubers to boost their popularity
Twitch VTubers still have clipniggers, and they typically link the VTuber's Twitch channel in the description

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>>14644063
youtube's really not that different

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644068
doki
bird

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>>14643181
No one reads descriptions. Even for the ones already on Youtube, the clips don't largely result in an immediate sub. What happens is that many people who watch the clip are often already subbed to the streamer, so the algorithm automatically recommends the streamer's VODs and livestreams to the people who aren't already subbed as autoplay, sidebar or frontpage, which grossly increase the probability of them clicking and then subbing. This can't happen for Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644110
>Am*lia's chat

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>>14644110
Ame is in NijiEN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644099
Don't even know anyone who uses team pages but yeah they exist and would be a convenient way to see everyone in a group at a glance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644099
>Raids.
that goes against the chat rules of not bringing up or mentioning other streamers if everyone is gonna keep raiding them all the time
it's just all gonna go off topic it will be just another discordfaggot experience with mods trying to 'moderate' (power abuse) chat because of the raid system bringing in retarded tourists

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644110
Its actually concerning how BTTV/FFZ emotes have actually became legitimized lingo outside of Twitch, on sites that don't even support BTTV.

Thats totally WeirdChamp, man.

[Anonymous No.]

Most of the chuubas we love now either used to stream on Twitch or Nico. Anons throw tantrums about the site but if their oshis moved they would 100% follow them and just say that tge Twitch culture doesn't reach their oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644110
>all greynames
how old is this

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644099
>>14644183
I'm guessing you've never heard of the Jerma-Nyanners drama when it came to raiding then? Raiding should be permanently disabled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644211
No I have not, fill me in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14641603
How much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644234
No. Do your reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644211
What drama? Only thing I know of is people in either of their chats spamming about the other one but that has nothing to do with raids and more to do with poorly behaving chatters which absolutely is also a problem on Youtube. Jerma even recently raided Nyanners. Made it into the vsj+ divegrass team because it was a surreal moment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644234
Nyanners community being retarded and ended up with Jerma getting pretty livid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14643091
>If they moved to Twitch, theyd just lose many of the "vtuber fans"
I personally don't really mind this tho as Niji style of vtubers is not that different compared to 3DPDs hence they clicked a lot with OfflineTV, being mainly twitch could also direct them closer to their target market, mainly the NAs just like what NijiKR did by doing their KR streams on twitch but transformed themselves into extended NijiJP on YT

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644185
Are you telling me Pomu's chat isn't allowed to say the word 'Elira' if Pomu herself brings her up herself?
This is nearly the same thing as raids

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644188
There are extensions to add them to YouTube chat.
Pretty sure it's actually a built in feature on either BTTV, FFZ, or 7TV

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644342
Elira is part of Nijisanji, but if some random retarded whore with 12vies in their communities goes in and recreates the Nyanners drama, then we'd rather not have any of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644211
Nyanners got her highest peak viewer count ever when Sykkuno and Jerma coincidentally raided her at the same time

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644281
>Jerma getting pretty livid
Incorrect

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644400
>look ma, tourists!
And no one cares.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644391
>recreates the Nyanners drama
What Nyanners drama?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644436
How is that different from someone getting recommended a NijiEN stream and clicking on it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644442
go back newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644466
I'm serious. How would a 12view raiding a 2000 viewer streamer cause any drama? Nothing like that has happened with Nyan

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644281
Literally can't find anything about this. Putting my doubt.
Either way that doesn't mean raiding itself is bad, it's dependent on the communities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644462
People with vested interest in vtubers get recommended vtuber content. Different communities have barriers and they should be respected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644442
If it's what I'm thinking of then it was just people in chat being rude. If Nyan mentioned something tangentially related to Jerma then people would talk about him and beg for a collab, etc. She told chat to cut it out and it did slow down tremendously. note how that anon trying to make it into a bigger deal is just telling people to do reps without providing any evidence it was anything more than that. Last night Nyan talked about him for like 5 full minutes and none of the aforementioned problems came up because chat knows to cut that shit out now.

It did also lead to some funny art though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644519
Who, that is big, is going to be raiding Niji streamers who aren't also VTubers, on YouTube?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644462
Raiding is no different from sending in a superchat just to show everyone how much of an attentionwhore you can be, but instead of money, you send your toxic community.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644520
That's hardly any unique drama. Viewers being retards and constantly asking about collabs aren't anything unique to Twitch

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>>14644520
Yeah, I know about this, and this is accurate to my knowledge.
I'm asking how that anons example is at all related

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>>14644554
>you send your toxic community
Or Pomu sends her chat to Finana's stream, thus keeping more eyes on different NijiEN streams.
Does this not seem beneficial to you?

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>>14644567
It isn't that related. Because the exact same thing happens on YouTube as well which kind of breaks his point.

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>>14644597
She already does that on Youtube by telling others to go watch their streams. Random shitters should never be allowed to raid haphazardly.

[Anonymous No.]

why are gossiping retards treating a minor inconvenience as a huge drama

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>>14644289
I dont know much about Niji KR but isnt the branch so profitable in the first place? I mean, I know about Bora, and from what I know, only she was making money and gaining viewers on YT mainly because she was aggressively collabing/interacting with the JP vtubers. Ofc Niji EN is different from that but she at least already proved collabing with Niji JP is important and profitable. i dont really understand the idea that being isolated from other branches can benefit Niji EN. If they were isolated that way, as I said, theyd lose many foreign opportunities and keep pandering to the English speaking Twtich market. Theyd have to change many things to fit trends on Twitch and end up doing very different things from the style of Japanese vtubing.

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>>14644643
because labeling everything as drama sounds more exciting than calling it a nuisance

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>>14644634
>Random shitters should never be allowed to raid haphazardly
It's a good thing that doesn't have to be the case

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>>14644749
Good, it should be permanently disabled then.

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>>14639925
To be fair, in reality, NijiEN is extremely successful. They are so successful that they have to ban people from their streams in order to have a comfortable amount of viewers. Otherwise, each of their streams would have 700k+ ccv.

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>>14644643
>minor inconvenience
unironic cope
wouldn't have been an issue if nyanners community wasn't toxic

[Anonymous No.]

>>14644890
>If I keep saying it people will believe me eventually!

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>>14644821
I can understand not liking Twitch and not wanting your streamers to be on it, but you can't tell me it would be a bad thing for fellow Nijisanji members to be able to raid each other

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>>14644915
Raid culture is just attentionwhore culture. You can tell other people to go watch their streams without announcing how much of an attentionwhore you are, and potentially distracting them from what they were doing and annoying them and cultivating off topic garbage in chat.

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>>14644696
As I said they can play both tho, for example they could do it like this
>twitch : solo gameplays, inner NijiEN collabs, external collabs
>YT : crossbranch Niji collabs, non-EN freechats like Nina's FR/RU, Reimu's ES or Millie's TAG

Some EN vtubers switch platforms regularly, same with NijiKR so it shouldn't be hard for most fans to adapt imo

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>>14644914
It's by far one of the stupidest attacks I've heard against Nyanners here.
If you want easy bait to hate on the pink cat then go with something normal like pomf pomf or rehash the nux bullshit

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>>14645047
Well you're not gonna be happy when YouTube adds raiding then

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>>14645047
I guess the people I watch who raid each other are friends. Didn't realize it was a problem when you're dealing with coworkers

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>>14645092
You greatly overestimate the willingness - or rather, awareness - of the casual fan to jump between platforms for streams. I for one have no idea how many streams Hada has had on twitch in the last 7 days, for all I know it's zero. I only know she had a Minecraft one on Youtube recently because it popped up on my front page. And I actually care somewhat about her. For people who barely remember who they subscribe to, they are never going to be there to pad the numbers.

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>>14645182
Raids can be really annoying and really distracting. It's the equivalent of reading an akasupa in the middle of something everyone is focused on, and it ruins the experience. The thing is, it's also unavoidable because everyone will keep talking about it in chat, and thus also forcing the streamer to acknowledge it. There is a reason why they specifically put up the rule that chat shouldn't bring up off topic garbage unless the streamer specifically says so.

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>>14645351
They don't have to setup the alert for it if they don't want to. Hell, they can turn off raids entirely if they want. Why would they not want the option though?
I'm talking currently about Twitch. Obviously they'll have that option when YouTube adds raids next year

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>>14645405
It also doesn't have to be an alert. Have you seen those retarded raiders who spam garbage all in caps "THIS IS A RAIIIIIIIIID!!". It can get really annoying really fast.

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>>14645351
Literally everything you said is invalidated by the fact that streamers can turn off raids for their channel

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>>14645493
If it was intra-company only, they could just make it a rule not to do that kind of thing. That way, they'd still get a 2k raid of viewers without the spam

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>>14645554
Hololive already did a "no all caps" rule, and that turned out very badly. They even tried implementing a bot that inadvertently banned people who only sent emotes. In the end they just left chat as it is.

>>14645515
The only argument for Twitch was the raids, the raids is shit and therefore there is no reason to be on a shitty platform like Twitch full of cancerous communities.

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>>14645554
No one will listen unless mass bannings occur - and they don't want that. That creates a confrontational let's-see-how-far-we-can-push-each-other dynamic which is fine for male streamers but anathema for vtubers.

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>>14645671
>>14645689
So if making a rule like that wouldn't change anything, does that mean the rule about not talking about other streamers is just as ineffective?
From what I'm seeing, you're saying "if there's no rule for it it'll be cancerous chaos" and also "if there is a rule for it it won't matter because it can't be enforced"
Which is it?

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>>14645092
What vtubers were/are doing well that way? Also your idea is pretty dumb. If they reduced activity on YT nobody can grasp their "characters" unless you are a die hard fan of them, thus none of Niji JP vtubers would collab with them since they cant even understand who they are and what they are doing on their solo streams.

Vtubers always need "loosen yet common connections" with other vtubers. Vtubers always (have to) collab with other not-so-close vtubers and newcomers, and have to keep developing a relationship with them. Your way of streaming only works when they want to have their own circle jerking community that doesnt need a change or newcomers

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>>14645825
But what about the connections they could make on Twitch?
There's a lot more English speaking VTubers on there then there is on YouTube

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>>14645785
Making a rule that is just and that makes sense should be the rules that are implemented. Retarded rules like "no all caps" will never work, but sensible rules such as not wanting off topic garbage during the streams are followed. Rules are there to mitigate cancer, if raids were to be implemented then people wouldn't follow the off topic rules and do whatever, because that's always been Twitch culture regarding raids. It doesn't fit well with companies like Niji or Hololive.

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>>14645785
The rule about not talking about other streamers IS barely effective, people try to start a conversation all the time. It's real purpose is an excuse that chat uses to self-police really tone-deaf people. The difference is that it requires a response to actually talk about it, so it peters out if no one else actually sees it as relevant. When it is seen as somewhat relevant by a significant portion of greynames - e.g. when multiple vtubers are on the same Minecraft server but doing their own shit - it completely loses potency and the chat gets insufferable.
With raids they fire-and-forget, the entire point is to flood the chat so the streamer knows what munificence has been bestowed upon them by the other person. Complaints are just acknowledgement that they've succeeded.

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>>14646086
Yeah that's just another way of being an attention whore, but it's not as ignorable as a superchat. You can ban/remove/ignore attentionwhore superchats, but you can't do that to all the retarded raiders shitting up chat. Twitch has always been insufferable.

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>>14645942
>>14646086
Fair enough. It really comes down to if you mind raids or not, I think. With NijiEN being part of a Japanese company and having other branches to be concerned with, I can see why people wouldn't want it.
It's the same why with me not liking superchat reading. I like zatsudans, but can't stand superchat readings, so Twitch-style streams are more to my liking.

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>>14641545
>>14641513
Selen said in her only Twitch livestream so far that she's the ONLY member of Nijisanji EN who has permission to stream on Twitch whenever she wants to. The others can only stream on Twitch when Youtube is down or broken.

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>>14639925
They can stream to twitch, Selen has before, and even top jp dogs like Kanae do it regularly. The problem is that for some permissions they negotiated only youtube, not twitch.

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>>14642323
>>14642301
>>14642138
Nobody in Nijisanji is allowed to call people retards or faggots or any other word that'd get them banned off Twitch. Millie even privated her recent birthday stream because one of the videos she played had a guy saying "my nigga" that she didn't know about.

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>>14645898
>But what about the connections they could make on Twitch?

Niji EN has their own different generations even within Niji EN and they are the most important vtubers to collab with. Not to mention, new gens keep joining it. Other indie vtubers dont really matter for them. Have you ever even watched their streams? They are not random western indie vtubers and dont have any duty to develop the western indie vtuber scene. Why would they have to move to Twitch to shill for other western indie vtubers.

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>>14646202
Not to mention there is a secondary aspect when it comes to raids for vtuber companies with gens where everyone is supposed to be buddy-buddy in contrast to very loosely related streamers. People will definitely start bringing up things like 'why did you raid X instead of Y, she has lower numbers', 'it's Z's turn to get raided', 'it's such a shame X ended 5 minutes before Y, she could have raided her', 'why did everyone leave X's stream after the raid, do all the viewers from W not like her', etc? Raiding becomes compulsory and something they have to think about to not step on the toes of viewers. It's the same reason why they don't member each other on their company accounts, membering one spawns the question in viewer minds of 'why didn't you member the others?'

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>>14646722
Nijis do member each other though

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>>14643934
The one nice thing is they removed the reddit frog emotes from the default viewer so you need some dumbass extensions to seem them.
It's also a good way to see what vtubers are redditors if said emotes show up in the stream itself.

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>>14643732
Discoverability on youtube is way "better" than on twitch. Twitch is largely organized by looking at the top streamers of a given category, youtube is more algorithm based. In general youtube will lead to outcomes where more people that are likely to enjoy the content are being funneled into communities. In my personal opinion, until twitch's archiving system is on par with youtube's, I'll never actively use it.

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>>14639925
no post with a selen image has ever been good, so thank you OP for continuing that trend. Now, promptly kill yourself or go back.

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>>14641516
she doesn't fit the brand. Even in EN, she's really not the type of personality hololive seem to go after.

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>>14639973
Stop parroting and read the post, anon.

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>>14639925
Selen fans are more retarded than chumbuds. Most annoying fanbase in /vt/

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>>14639925
but I like YT

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>>14641059
Twitch has one of the worst search functions I've ever seen. I have to assume people don't use it, since filtering by tags in Browse is much more efficient.