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14118865 No.14118865 [Reply] [Original]

They should change the way youtube works. Hololive has such a stranglehold on the youtube algorithm that it's impossible for other companies or individual vtubers to grow there unless they literally advertise in holonigger's videos like how NijiEN did, otherwise they would be stuck with 100-200 viewers at best like the rest of the companies/indies there. There's a reason the only vtubers that can somewhat compete with hololive are on twitch and not youtube.

>> No.14119242

>>14118865
This thread will reach bump limit because holofags LOVE to take bait.

>> No.14119309

>>14118865
why are dragoons like this?

>> No.14119382

>>14118865
Chloe > Selen
YouTube's algorithm can even see that.

>> No.14119431

Youtube doesn't give a fuck.

>> No.14119565

>>14118865
>There's a reason the only vtubers that can somewhat compete with hololive are on twitch and not youtube.
Keep in mind that there's a startup KR vtubing agency, and they're much much doing more better than NijiKR. Know what's funny? They literally have 'Inspired by Hololive' in ther portfolio, public even. The name's Isgye Idol

Wanna know what would be more funnier? If Hololive somehow were to catch the trend that Korea are mostly Twitch watchers. Combined with Hololive's presence towards Korea. And create a Korean branch to stream there specifically. they will take the market Nijifren, and that's what's funny. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC2fvhDgem6GHbeUgSog-LZg/featured
Look at the channel, judge it yourself. Its one of the biggest Korean clippers out there.

>> No.14120018

>>14119565
so what you're confirming is they only got big is cuz they were leeching on the hololive brand name instead of building their own thing from the ground up?

Nice proving OP's point.

>> No.14120045

>>14118865
This is a flaseflag

>> No.14120340

>>14120018
Anon... It's a peek of Hololive presence in Korea.. a peek.. and they're already mogging Niji...

>> No.14120915

>>14120340
i mean yeah that proves OP's point. The algorithm is skewed unto them so much that yeah they basically have a monopoly on the market right now.


Not to hold it against them tho. To have that is a really good job, but it's really bad for the market. all it ends up breeding are countless chuubas that emulate holo instead of doing their own thing and getting big that way.

Instead of talents feeling like they have freedom all people are getting are talents that feel like they need to be like hololive in order to survive.

I do not want to see this medium 5 years from now so i'm gonna cherish the few scraps of creativity I'm seeing while it lasts.

>> No.14120991

>>14118865
>The system is unfair, someone else is playing by the rules and winning! We need to change how it works so that we can win!
I hope Holobronies win for at least four more years

>> No.14121117

>>14118865
>>14119382
>>14120915
It's not that well known, but Youtube does sign on streaming contracts to creators.

Naturally, that contract means skewing the algorithm to them.

>> No.14121313

>>14121117
Do those contracts include cutting their viewers, shadowbanning them and culling their subs? Because that's what happens to Holo channels.

>> No.14121900
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14121900

>>14118865
SELEN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE MARRY ME I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, I GO TO BED AT REASONABLE TIMES

>> No.14121916

>>14118865
I have never seen a good post with a Selen image attached

>> No.14121935

>>14119242 fpbp
its somehow incredibly easy to bait holofags.

>> No.14122037

>>14121916
but >>14121900

>> No.14122404
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>>14118865
Cope niji has their chances to pander to EN market but unlike FBK they btfo EOPs like plaque just cause they cant handle a view retarded EOPs in the chat. Holo was welcoming EOPs no matter how retarded the early newfags were and they reap what they sow in golden bulks. Now niji trying to pander to EOPs a FUCKING YEAR after Holo enter the market.
Blame the retarded anykara for thinking EN market has nothing to do with them and grew complacent with their local numberfagging, not realizing that Youtube is a fucking international platform. Now that they lose their numba 1 meme they started to pander to EOPs? Good fucking luck with that. And (you) are retarded to support a company that dimissed (you) in the past.
Also
>they really tried to rebrand NijiIN into EN during the boom thinking they'd be relevant
Fucking kek

>> No.14122768

>>14122404
Niji entering the western market earlier wouldn't change anything besides them having slightly more subs/viewers than now. Hololive would still have complete dominance over the algorithm because of the chink clippers flooding it with nothing but holoshit in 2020.

>> No.14122880

>>14122404
To be fair, Nijisanji IS the dominant brand in Japan. So of course the hubris is expected. On the other hand, Hololive always crawled like worms under Nijisanji's shadow, but they got hold of EOP panderers like Miko, Korone, Fubuki, and an actual Westerner, Coco. It seemed they would be irrelevant, but it was them who pushed for the untapped market of EN. And what a market EN was.

It was like in the Renaissance when the Ottoman Empire once dominated trade, but they were rendered obsolete when the Europeans discovered America.

>> No.14124722

>>14118865
>Hololive has such a stranglehold on the youtube algorithm that it's impossible for other companies or individual vtubers to grow
Part of the problem is the combination of a saturated market and waning interest. I just don't enjoy the novelty of being a cuck anymore, and I'm probably not the only one. Been watching G Gundam on jewtube instead. Luv me heroic fables more than cute girls doing cute things for the umpteenth time.

Kepe in mind the boom cycle began in 2020 and we' re on the cusp of 2022. Without real innovation, investment and premium offerings in the EN market that rise to the same level of quality as Hololive JP, the western market was always doomed to collapse.

>> No.14125279

>>14118865
I see their shitty clips pop up all the time in my recommended and I have to click “do not recommend channel.”

>> No.14125371

>>14119242
what do you mean?

>> No.14125413

>>14122768
>this is what chinks actually believe

>> No.14125493

>>14121935
>Somehow
A large portion of them are third worlder tourists, so no mystery there

>> No.14128368

>>14118865
>another beggar thread

>> No.14128621

>>14118865
well then, take it.

>> No.14129051

>>14118865
They should give it back to Jawed

>> No.14129114
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14129114

do u guise like my poster?

>> No.14132108

>>14129114
Yes

>> No.14132337

>>14129114
cute

>> No.14135839

>>14121313
hololive is a bit slow on payments to new channels anon

they have to pay per channel

>> No.14136270

>>14125413
Holochinks were the first vtuber company to have an official channel on bilibili. Still to this day hololive is the most popular foreign vtuber company in China. You can cry about it all you want but both me and you both know that Coco was bullied out of the company because she ruined their Chinese relationship. No amount of revisionism will stop all of this from being true.

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14136384

>>14118865
Why is it exclusively the dragoons that bitch and moan about everything...
Just enjoy your oshi and stop numberfagging

>> No.14137170

>>14135839
Considering that it happens on channels of all ages that doesn't really hold water.

>> No.14137470

>>14136384
Holofag cope

>> No.14137585

>>14118865
this is either some of the most pathetic falseflag attempts or the most copium overdosed Nijikek on the planet.

>> No.14137648

>>14137585
>everything is a falseflag
cry more about it nijikek, your ilk make up 90% of the shitposts on this board.

>> No.14137666

>>14136384
What makes you think these are actually dragoons and not falseflagging faggots?

>> No.14137759

>>14122880
>To be fair, Nijisanji IS the dominant brand in Japan
lol.lmao.

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14137783

>>14137470
>everyone who disagrees with me is a holofag
Thanks for proving my point faggot dragoon

>> No.14137943

>>14137648
Retard.

>> No.14137946

>>14137783
what the fuck are you talking about schizo? everyone knows that nijiniggers shit up every thread by starting tribal wars. Meidos need to make another board or just put a sitewide ban on you just to contain your disgusting ilk.

>> No.14138025

That's it. I’m sick of it. I'm sick of all this "millions of subscribers Hololive vtubers" bullshit that's going on in the chuuba market right now. Niji vtubers deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself donated to a genuine JP Niji Vtuber over 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been watching their every stream for almost 2 years now. My vtubers mog full professors of philosophy with interesting things they have to say.
Niji vtubers spend years practicing for a single stream and do their reps up to million times to produce the finest entertainment known to mankind.
Niji chuubas are thrice as entertaining as Hololive ones and thrice as funny for that matter too. Anything a HoloEN can stream, a NijiEN can stream better. I'm pretty sure a NijiEN could easily mog a HoloEN thrice their sub count with a simple gaming stream.
Ever wonder why Gura never bothered collabing with a Niji? That's right, she was too scared to be put next the disciplined Niji-kamis and their superior ANYCOLOR entertainment. Even in the beginnings of /vt/, orangeposters targeted mainly Nijisanji chuubas because their audience captivation power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Nijis are simply the best vtubers that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better numbers than they get. We don’t need those Holowhore meme spewing twitch thots to pollute our perfect vtuber word.

Here's the new weighted sub system I propose for Vtubers:

>If a subscriber only watches Hololive and not Nijisanji, they count as 1/10th of a sub
>If a subscriber watches Hololive AND Nijisanji, they count as 1 sub
>If a subscriber knows only watches Nijisanji and not Hololive, they count as 10 subs

Now that seems much more representative of the actual talent of these chuubas, don't you think?

tl;dr: Niji girls and boys deserve bigger numbers than Holowhores, see my new weighted subscriber system

>> No.14138066

>>14118865
I'm fine with NijiEN being relatively niche compared to Hololive. Did you SEE /NijiEN/ after getting just a bit more popularity when new waves release? Holofags and SEAnigs ruin threads.

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14138125

>selen

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14138271

>>14138025
Not reading all that, but keep seething.
Tribalfags deserve the rope

>> No.14138357

>>14118865
This is true. Youtube is a dead end for any non-holo and even for many nijis. Supposedly they'll make changes sometime next year but considering the viewer number feature I'm not holding out hope.

I wish it weren't so but it is. Twitch and Youtube are both awful, but Youtube is considerably more hostile towards streamers than twitch is.

>> No.14138371

>>14118865
I've said this before the only reason Hololive has such a stranglehold on YouTube currently is the flood of clips every Holo gets. A sneeze gets 10 clips from from a dozen clip channels. Until some Niji EN clipper abandons all self-respect and goes full clipfarm mode the Hololive clips will clog up any momentum Nijisanji EN may get.

>> No.14138439

>>14129114
based

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>>14138371
yeah good luck with that bro

>> No.14138518

>>14138371
If anything niji clippers would rather jump ship over to clipping hololive
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxpE_HS5QWhpahlmd83GpTA/videos
>channel name is Mito oshi solo translation team
>content is mostly related to hololive

>> No.14138534

>>14138025
The seethe is palpable.

>> No.14138643

>>14138461
This is what I am talking about. All of these clips lockdown the algo with high viewership to end and high viewer engagement rates.
>>14138518
To be fair that channel appears to be doing a bit of everything. Kson, Nijisanji, and Hololive.

>> No.14138678

>>14138271
>>14138534
Can't believe I'd see the day anons wouldn't recognize the masterwork bastard sword pasta. It's a good rewrite, but man. Maaaan.

>> No.14139954

>>14138025
This but unironically.

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