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After almost a year, was she right?

>> No.13968665

>>13968573
Yes, but it was still a dumb thing to actually say. Like an athlete saying "I don't give a shit about this sportsball team, but they paid more money that the other teams so I moved here."

>> No.13968699

>>13968573
Graduation soon?

>> No.13968703

No. VTubers are mostly boys pretending to be girls. It's perfectly fine to shit on e-girls and like VTubers if you're gay.

>> No.13968722

>>13968573
why did i write almost?

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>>13968703
i want to fuck her room mate (dont know what he looks like)

>> No.13968747

>>13968573
Some vtubers are e-girls but not all of them are
Streaming to Twitch makes you an e-girl
Associating yourself with Kson/vshojo makes you an e-girl

>> No.13968800

Roast toast

>> No.13968907

>>13968573
This is why I didn't know there's a Nijisanji ID branch.

>> No.13968931

>>13968573
There's vtubers that are legit insane and rely on their chats for emotional support. So they're not just doing it for the money.
I don't know of any female twitch streamer that this applies to. So Hana is wrong, but she has the genes of a fucking commie in her so what'd you expect?

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>>13968573
Yes. Most people in places like this can't actually handle the fact that there's a real person behind the fantasy waifu.

>> No.13968961

>>13968931
>>13968747
cope

>> No.13968967

>>13968573
Yes but it's like the mall Santa standing up and saying "You guys know I'm not really Santa right?" Sort of unprofessional.

>> No.13968973

Garbage thread. Hidden.

>> No.13969029

>>13968931
That's probably because you don't watch many female twitch streamers. There's tens of thousands of them, far more than there are vtubers, and plenty of them make fuck all in revenue and just stream because they like the attention or interaction.

>> No.13969036

>ID

>> No.13969054

She was always right but most people stopped denying and just learnt to live with it. We always had anons falling for the roommates rather than the avatar so to a degree we always knew.

>> No.13969057

>>13968573
What people hate about "e-girls" is cultural. A Twitch thot behind an anime avatar is an e-girl. You could argue that any overtly manipulative and narcissistic chuuba is an e-girl. But there are plenty of chuubas this doesn't apply to, so no, she wasn't right.
And she most likely knows she isn't right, but her politics tell her to be extra hateful of gross loser men hating on women in any context, so she made the post anyway.

>> No.13969064

Kson alone proves she was

>> No.13969084

>>13968573
Yes.
I give money directly to my oshis roommate instead of just the Vtuber now.

>> No.13969109

>>13969057
There are also tons of girls on twitch that probably don't follow the e-girl culture but nobody ever brings that up.

>> No.13969145

>>13969109
The entire culture around Twitch and the mechanics of subs and bits and emotespam chat disagrees

>> No.13969186

>>13969109
If she isn't slurping up attention and milking simps I wouldn't call her an e-girl, but you don't see much of them since there are literally tens of thousands of whores on Twitch bouncing around with their tits and ass hanging out.

>> No.13969201

>>13968573
Technically she's not wrong but it's dumb to say that knowing who your audience is. It is funny that most retards who hate roasties for having life on easy mode love vtubers who are just roasties living lives on an even easier easy mode since they don't even have to be good-looking or work hard on presenting their real selves on camera.
E-girls = roasties putting themselves out there
Vtubers = roasties hiding behind anime avatars
The best girls are the ones who know how to be entertaining AND are smart enough to pick great designs/great presentation for themselves.

>> No.13969241

>>13969145
>muh twitch bad
Emote spam is on YouTube as well anonchama

>> No.13969244

>>13969201
I'd have thought that nijisanji fans would be ok with e-girls?

>> No.13969278

>>13968573
>was she right?
She'll never stop being wrong and retarded. She'll also never be popular which probably explains why she made those assmad tweets in the first place.

>> No.13969284

>>13968573
Proven wrong by NijiEN basedness and wholesomeness

>> No.13969288

So Hana is also a bitch

>> No.13969313

>>13969241
No shit. It's not nearly as prevalent

>> No.13969344

Bro it's been over a year, did this hurt you personally?

>> No.13969394
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>>13968573
I don't think she was.
It's like a woman wearing underwear and being straight up naked.
I believe leaving it up to imaginations makes it better, panties are nice, vaginas are gross.

>> No.13969427

>>13969201
>antisocial menhara NEETs
>roasties
I don't think you know what roasties are, Anon.

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>> No.13969534

>>13968573
Whether you think she was right or not, idly picking on your meal-providers (who you know are predominantly losers with lots of problems) is peak entitlement. And she's not stupid, she actually does no better, she's just so full of herself that she can't help it.

>> No.13969589

>>13968573
This is what happens when the girls are not on a leash. They'll keep slipping their dirty laundries. Has Pomu addressed Rosemi's fan that she bullied into quitting?

>> No.13969640

the bad ones are, sure

>> No.13969651

yes

>> No.13969677

>>13968573
"E-girl" has a very specific connotation that not even all female irl streamers meet. It's ridiculous to assert that all vtubers arre.

>> No.13969681

>>13969534
>d-don't ask anyone to not be an asshole! they provide your meals you know!!
retard

>> No.13969688

call me a incel if you want but all women are whores
sorry but it is what it is

>> No.13969721

>>13968573
She was right and mental gymnastics being preformed in this thread proves her point

>> No.13969727

>>13969427
i'd say 80% of jap girl vtubers are roasties.
compared to the 99% of american ones they're doing pretty well

>> No.13969745

>>13969427
Not that anon but I know many menhera neets that skate from relationship to another so getting dicked on the regular for monetary support isn't abnormal to these types, especially because there will always be guys desperate enough to simp for them

>> No.13969760

>>13969681
>d-don't go on completely unrelated tangents berating your audience because the mood strikes you
Yes.

>> No.13969764

>>13968573
>virtual e-girls
how high was hana when she wrote that

>> No.13969777

Right or wrong, this chuuba declined so hard it's not even funny

>> No.13969798

>>13969760
>don't berate people in your audience for being bad people
retard

>> No.13969821

>>13969777
didn't she make it happen on purpose. anons talked about how she chose to destroy her growth

>> No.13969823

>>13968959
>Most people in places like this can't actually handle the fact that there's a real person behind the fantasy waifu.
You're right. Consider it's a board rule to ignore the puppeteers.

>> No.13969853

>>13969534
Apparently, people who like being shit on are the biggest of whales.

>> No.13969914

>>13969798
Stop saying r*tard, it's ableist. YOU are a bad person and I expect an akasupa apology.

>> No.13969929

>>13969853
hololive disproves this so hard it's not even funny.

>> No.13969943

>>13968573
>y'all

>> No.13969957

>>13969929
>The hololive girls who treat their fans the worst are the ones with the best audiens to money ratio
You're wrong.

>> No.13970035

>>13969929
don't bother, he's almost certainly one of the retards who thinks sana "shit on her fans" by saying she doesn't care about the people who whined about her hiatus

>> No.13970047

>>13969957
ummm?

>> No.13970093

>>13968573
No.
I couldnt care less about the person behind the avatar.

>> No.13970145

It's weird that these tweets left such an impression on /vt/

>> No.13970256

>>13970145
it shook us to the core unironically

>> No.13970312

Vtubers play a character. No matter how the fans act simping a character is different from simping a girl.

>> No.13970420

>>13970256
I've just never seen it discussed anywhere else. I wonder if Hana herself even remembers tweeting it.

>> No.13970435

>>13970312
cope, lose weight

>> No.13970486

>>13970420
she has an alt where she spews her cold takes. i don't think she changed regardless.

>> No.13970535

>>13970486
also she's just a weird person in general.
I remember an anon talking about her trying to get her fans to have gay sex

>> No.13970534

I'm still not sure what an e-girl is

>> No.13970573

>>13969394
holy based, are you me? I'm betting you like it better when bras or bikini is on rather than the nipples themselves? The subtle hint that they exist, only shadowed by the cloth that is draped over them?

>> No.13970722

She was right and people making outlandish assumptions over the meaning of "e-girl" itt are projecting hard.

>> No.13970734

>>13968573
is that the only thing people talk about with hana macchia
she's streamed before you know

>> No.13970872

Nevermind if she's right or not, what is the point of trying to convince people she is? Who stands to gain from it? Definitely not the chuubas, whose profits would dwindle after the bulk of their paying fanbase is aggressively reminded that vtubers are actually the kind of people they hate behind the avatar.

How would the viewers benefit from no longer being able to suspend their disbelief and enjoy this escapism?

>> No.13970875

>>13970734
i watched her last animal crossing stream for like 20 mins. pretty comfy desus

>> No.13970914

>>13970722
>projecting
You mean "coping"? Buzzwords aren't interchangeable, retardchama.

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Crucified for our sins
Also a hafu so that makes /vt/ seethe some more

>> No.13971060

>>13968573
honestly, i don't give a fuck about it, i just watch vtubers cause i prefer them from disappointing reality. As long as there is a 2d avatar veil between me and the woman behind it, i'm ok.

>> No.13971103

>>13968573
100%
Except they have a WAY more autistic following than E-girls. But you watch them for the GFE and nothing else when the male talents are way funnier and more entertaining.

If they weren't e-girls used to bait in lonely men, then companies wouldn't have a fucking male:female ratio of like 1:10

>> No.13971210

>>13971060
based 2d escapism anon

>> No.13971364

>>13968573
What was this outburst supposed to achieve, anyway?

>> No.13971426

>>13968573
She was ahead of her time, maybe she saw where vtubing was heading to but at that time kayfabe was still prevalent so she got shit for it.

>> No.13971493

>>13971364
Imagine the entire community going "yeah, she's right" and then female chuubas have to get real jobs or become normal streamers if they look good.

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>>13971035
>Also a hafu so that makes /vt/ seethe some more
what, is /vt/ just a bunch of third-worlder vt sisters?
don't answer that question

>> No.13972002

>>13968573
Youtubers are just commenters but they talk through youtube videos.
>>13969427
My dear insecure holofag, not all girl chuubas are as sheltered and introverted as your oshi. Some socially awkward introvert girls still gets and accepts boys/men asking them out if they worked on their looks and had to be in places that ensures them socializing with other people. An acquaintance of mine for example, don't know how to act and trashes relationships just by being there and being herself

>> No.13972049

>>13968665
FPBP

>oh shit this entertainer doesn't actually care about their audience and only pretends to because they get paid big bucks to do it

What the fuck does this bitch expect.

>> No.13972254

>>13968573
That's true.True aaaaaaaaaaaand... Yeah, that's pretty true. That's true and- yeah that's true. That's true. That's true- That's pretty true. That's pretty true, I mean- inhales ... That's true. Yeah. That's true. Uhm- That's true. That's fuckin' true. Uhm... That's how it is dude. Like really can you't disagree with that. *nods head* that's pretty much true and Yeah, that's pretty true. That's true and- yeah that's true. That's true.True aaaaaaaaaaaand... Yeah, that's pretty true. That's true and- yeah that's true. That's true. That's true- That's pretty true. That's pretty true, I mean- inhales ... That's true. Yeah. That's true. Uhm- That's true. That's fuckin' true. Uhm... That's how it is dude. Like really can you't disagree with that. *nods head* that's pretty much true and Yeah, that's pretty true. That's true and- yeah that's true. That's true.True aaaaaaaaaaaand... Yeah, that's pretty true. That's true and- yeah that's true. That's true. That's true- That's pretty true. That's pretty true, I mean- inhales ... That's true. Yeah. That's true. Uhm- That's true. That's fuckin' true. Uhm... That's how it is dude. Like really can you't disagree with that. *nods head* that's pretty much true and Yeah, that's pretty true. That's true and- yeah that's true. That's true.True aaaaaaaaaaaand... Yeah, that's pretty true. That's true and- yeah that's true. That's true. That's true- That's pretty true. That's pretty true, I mean- inhales ... That's true. Yeah. That's true. Uhm- That's true. That's fuckin' true. Uhm... That's how it is dude. Like really can you't disagree with that. *nods head* that's pretty much true and Yeah, that's pretty true. That's true and- yeah that's true.

>> No.13972278

>>13970914
Maybe it's coping in the sense people are refusing to face facts I guess.
I said "projecting" because it's painfully obvious that anons look at the word "e-girl" and their imagination instantly jumps to the most negative stereotype of a girl with huge tits berating her viewers for donating $5 instead of $50 they can conjure.
WIth that image in mind, they read her post and somehow assume it's meant to be deameaning or an attack aimed directly at *them*
That's why it's projecting: because they assume a moral judgement that does not exist in the post itself.

>>13970872
>>13971364
Probably so some Vtuber fans who jumped into the bandwagon last year could humble themselves, instead of pretending to be superior just because they donate to a kemono-mimi girl using Live2D. She's been doing this gig since before the Vtuber boom, after all.

>> No.13972305

>>13972254
is this a meme or are you a schizo?

>> No.13972345

>>13969688
I've had my heart broken so many times, that I actually agree with you. I don't hate women, I just think they're disgusting creatures.

>> No.13972531

>>13968573
"E-girl" is a such a vague moniker that the statement is mostly meaningless.

>> No.13972533

>>13972278
>Probably so some Vtuber fans who jumped into the bandwagon last year could humble themselves, instead of pretending to be superior just because they donate to a kemono-mimi girl using Live2D. She's been doing this gig since before the Vtuber boom, after all.

Is it worth rocking the boat over? I imagine many chuubas making a living off this wish Macchialists would shut up.

>> No.13972560

afaik this Hana bitch comes from a higher-middle/rich class family in Indonesia and those people are one of the most entitled group that I know. Opinion discarded.

>> No.13972834

>>13972533
If we're talking strickly in terms of professionalism, probably not. Only huge fans would want to avoid the kayfabe and hear about behind the scenes stuff, I think.
But also unless you're a Tokino Sora, a Siro or even a Tsukino Mito, when you've been this thing for a long time it's probably hard to not just go "yeah we've there before" whenever certain conversations pop up.

>> No.13973594

>>13972531
You're correct anon, that was kinda the point she was making however peoples varying opinions of what an egirl is and whether thats a good or bad thing is what makes some seethe while others dont care.
egirls arent always ethots but ethots are always egirls.

>> No.13973684

>>13968573
Nobody cares what indonesians think

>> No.13973705

>>13973594
if she breathes faggot

>> No.13973924

>>13973594
>uhm akshually e-girl just means a girl who is on the internet so all women are actually e-girls
This is such a coward's argument, kill yourself

>> No.13974027

It's that crab in a bucket shit all you people do all the time. It's not deep.

>> No.13974039

>>13972560
>too retarded to do even the slightest bit of fact checking
Hana's dad is a white dude from Boston in his mid 40s. Her mom was a Japanese woman who died when Hana was a kid.

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>>13970535
Socialists are weirdos in general

>> No.13974296

>>13974039
>her mom died therefore she can't be a rich cunt
Ogey

>> No.13974320

>>13974191
Her father is a socialist, she probably is, but only by osmosis because she appears to be on good terms with him even if he abandoned her in Indogland.

>> No.13974538

>>13968573
It would be easy for me to agree, but I avoid those normal e-girls.

>> No.13974699

>>13970535
>I remember an anon talking about her trying to get her fans to have gay sex
That's not that weird, there are ton of women who'd love to see that

>> No.13974780

>>13969394
>It's like a woman wearing underwear and being straight up naked.
both are whores

>> No.13974862

>>13968573
this is true about vshojo

true about specific niji members but not niji as a whole

not really true about hololive

and then probably true about most indies but there are some indies who maintain a more professional attitude and appearance

>> No.13975186

>>13974862
its true about most of hololive, gfe is part of what egirls do.

>> No.13975314

>>13968573
No. An e-girl can just sit in front of the camera in a bikini and let her body do the talking while a vtuber actually has to be entertaining or else she will remain a 2view.

>> No.13975383

>>13975186
sorry vcuck but name one time hololive members got into a public drama spat with a retard anituber and made themselves look like idiots?

they haven't because they aren't egirls

>> No.13975442

no she wasn't, if anything she proved she's jealous of these ethots, because unlike them, she couldn't manage to profit just with her looks and had to resort to vtubing and the fact she's so desperate as to break out of character shows how insecure she is of the future and wants to prove herself that she's worth something and is not just because of her vtuber persona

>> No.13975496

>>13968573
She was wrong, vtubers are worse than egirls. Unironically your average egirl is a much more stable person than your average chuuba.

>> No.13975650

>>13968573
She was always right! One of the first English vtuber I watch. People here tend to detach themself from reality. So anything resamble truth would make them instantly seething

>> No.13975680
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According to the Wikepedia definition of E-girl, the over whelming majority of the Vtubers discussed here aren't E-girls, since E-girls are primarily defined by being part of the "E-Youth" subculture, which is pretty specific to Tumblr, Twitter and Tiktok. So unless your Oshi has an avatar with this sort of aesthetic or posts usually flirtatious videos on any of the above platforms then no, they probably aren't an E-girl

BUT that's probably not what Hana Machia, or the culturally illiterate ESL's who populate this hobby, mean when they say "E-girl". What they actually mean is E-thot.
An E-Thot, or "Boob tuber" is a woman on the internet, usually a streamer, who uses their sexuality/attractiveness as an actual appeal for personality.

By this definition, I STILL don't think most Vtubers can be qualified as E-thots. E-thotting is very very hard to do as a Vtuber considering that in a world where everyone can be a pretty girl with big boobs, its very difficult to sell yourself if that's all you're bringing to the table.

Most people don't watch Nene Momosuzu because she's flirting with them, but because she's a goofy larger than life personality. That applies to most of Hololive, Niji, and even a good portion of Vshojo.

>> No.13975721

>>13975496
Then why the fuck are you posting in this board?

>> No.13975764

>>13969764
she accidentally sprayed antiseptic spray on her face. pls andastand

>> No.13975768

>>13975680
>Twitter and Tiktok
anon...

>> No.13975833

>>13968931
>So they're not just doing it for the money.
Anon......

>> No.13975837

>>13975680
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-girls_and_e-boys

Thank God that shit wasn't really all out in the open during the 90's. That Wiki article alone is cringe.

>> No.13975879

>>13975721
Not him, but i like to see neetweebs like you seethe from reality check

>> No.13975982

>>13975768
Yes, there are a lot of Vtweeters and Tiktok vtubers, but the over whelming majority of Vtubers discussed here don't fit into those categories. Especially the "flirtatious videos" half of the description.

>> No.13976063

>>13975314
thats an ethot anon, learn the difference.
>>13975383
anon all entertainers gets into drama all the damn time, being an entertainer is nothing but drama, even normal people get into drama with eachother needlessly.
by what you think is an egirl is, everyone is an egirl.
>>13975680
while youre correct about the differences of egirl and ethot, one could argue that people only like vtubers because their designs are attractive, the personality usually is the 2nd factor considering how people treat those with not great models or designs.

>> No.13976132

>>13975721
Im hoping to find a normal chuuba

>> No.13976153

>>13968573
Their IRL could be dead for all that I care. Schizos have a unique power that can distort realities so in my eyes their roommate doesn't even exist. They are all 2d girls living in 2d dimension and can only be interacted by yt and their social media. I have over 10000 pics of chuubas and almost none of that are roommates, except for one. I jack off to their avatar. I talk with their avatar. They are the part that's real. Of course you still need a VA but in the end of the day it's just that. A voice.

>> No.13976214

>>13968573
Considering she very obviously meant "e-girls" as in "regular female streamers" yes, and she always was.
The willful misinterpretation by the people on this board isn't correct though.

>> No.13976415

>>13968573
Kson is literally an e-girl so yes

>> No.13976471

>>13969821
Yes. She's got a bad mix of anxiety, imposter syndrome, and not wanting to be typecast over memes like big streamers always are.

>> No.13976516

>>13976063
I'm not going to deny that the designs are attractive, however a large part of it is less "I want to fuck the character" and more "I like the characters design/concept". The thing that attracts me, and I think people as a whole, are the larger than life characters.

Its why Ollies design was such a huge buff on debut despite having, by all definitions, the least fuckable/attractive design in her gen. Her design was visually striking, and presented a far more interesting character concept than the other two girls in her gen.

>> No.13976555

>>13972278
this exactly.

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>>13970486
Deeply political takes such as picrel

>> No.13978194

>>13976561
she was refering to futanaris anon

>> No.13978440

we have this thread every month or two

>> No.13978601

>>13968573
>y'all
opinion discarded

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>>13968665
/thread
never break the third wall, always play in hypotheticals. its clown world out there.

>> No.13979394

>>13978194
I know.
The joke was that that account is like 95% horny posting, depression, and shitposts rather than hot, cold, or any other temperature of take.

>> No.13980078

>>13976214
Her willful misuse of a well known word is acknowledged and her opinion is discarded, she's a stupid bitch

>> No.13980191

>>13980078
Given that even people criticizing her can't disagree on a definition and half the time start saying "e-thot" when she never did, I don't think it's nearly as well defined as you seem to think.

>> No.13980202

>>13975680
>Actually I made up a different word so I'm right
Kill yourself autist

>> No.13980288

>>13976214
>>13980078
This is nothing but cope. Hana is right.

>> No.13980308

>>13980191
Well known to people who aren't autistic retards, maybe it's too much to ask for an In-dog like Hana to understand that though

>> No.13980404

>>13980288
Hana is right that she is a vapid whore, it's hard to believe anything else she says considering that though

>> No.13980499

>>13976516
>Implying tons of people don't want to fuck the designs
Why do we have to lie in these threads?

>> No.13980624

>>13968573
Not wrong, but listening to a woman who's entire thunder was stolen from her "dad" doesn't make her look any better.

>> No.13980660

>>13980308
>In-dog like Hana
>Couldn't even be assed to do basic research or even read the rest of the thread
Ah, it's like that.

>> No.13980732

>>13968573
Yes most women, including her, are whores. Her "dad" is her boyfriend.

>> No.13980957

Her streams are fun but man Hana is an absolute idiot. You ask her if she's going to play a game and her first instinct is to shill one of her colleagues who plays it. I'm not asking you because I want to see the game, I'd just buy it for myself, I'm asking because I want to see you play it.
I'd also call her retarded for her crusade against clippers, but her chat is actually pretty nice desu. You can actually get your messages read if you put some effort in. Though she will make a point of pretending not to recognize your name if you're not a member.
I'm also sure she's reading this thread. I notice the /vt/ memes you dogwhistle on stream Hana, don't deny it.

>> No.13981176

>>13980624
The guy is in some socialist part. I wouldn't be surprised if he's got some public speaking/debate training.

>> No.13981246

>>13976516
wanting to fuck the design is fine and no one should shame you for that.
but character designs and physical appearances arent functionally different for streamers, the only real difference is that people have a choice on the design but that comes with marketing anyway.
thats why the good designs with questionable personalities tend to do better then bad designs with good personalities.
also some people tend to think "why would i watch someone if their vtuber models bad when i could watch someone with a better model whose just as good".
i dont agree with them but people who think about the designs above the personality isnt unusual
>>13980308
anon everytime we have this thread people cant come to a conclusion on what egirls are because people just mix terms and different extremes together because there is no consensus.

>> No.13981651

>>13981246
Any time someone tries to tell me this hobby doesn't have some of the same ethot practices as 3D streamers I think about things like how much people go crazy over revealing outfits like Noel's latest one or Marine's swimsuit. Or what dragged people towards Kronii. Sex appeal sells, not sure why we need to jump through mental hoops and act like it isn't happening here.

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>>13968665
>>13968573
Shes wrong because the vtuber isnt showing their body for attention. They actually engage the audience too. They play games, sing, dance and talk with the audience. e-girls just sit there looking angry all the time and demand you pay them.

>> No.13987242

>>13981246
>but character designs and physical appearances arent functionally different for streamers
yes and VAs are functionally identical to actors. totally.

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