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13776169 No.13776169 [Reply] [Original]

How do we save Council? Gen 6 is already mogging them in every conceivable way.

>> No.13776188

>>13776169
I think you can just accept that the amount of success they currently have is enough for them.

>> No.13776210

>>13776169
How are they mogging them?

>> No.13776279

>>13776210
Had twice the number of viewers for their debuts than Council, Laplus already has more views on her debut VOD than Kronii. Growing faster, obviously far more popular and already showing more ambition than any of the Council have.

Face it the Council are slackers who bring nothing to Hololive.

>> No.13776364

EN chuubaing on the decline as people return to normie streamers or their lives
JP chuubaing on a steady rise as it becomes more accepted as a form of entertainment and another extended branch of Otaku culture

This isn't surprising as the JP girls have the most consistent live viewers in the world

>> No.13776423

>>13776364
I think this is right. EN audience made up of too many normies not committed to the otaku lifestyle. Mori struggling to break 5k CCV means the writing is on the wall for EN.

>> No.13776446

I don’t think English vtubers will ever be able to overcome the “ugh it’s weeeeeeiiiirrrrrdddd” reaction that westerners have to the whole thing. Hololive really fucked up by getting kicked out of China.

>> No.13776457

>>13776279
Too bad the debut numbers don't translate well into subscribers.
Shark cunny had 165k or something viewers and got 330k subs
Dog girl had 180k viewers and got 210k subs.

>> No.13776495

>>13776457
>Shark cunny
i'm retarded
meant to say Dark cunny

>> No.13776531

>>13776169
EN vtubers are a declining market that's already been saturated by HoloMYTH mogging every english speaking vtuber on the planet on their debut. Holocouncil just really cant compare to them and there's no saving them since everyone would rather watch HoloJP than HoloEN nowadays.

>> No.13776553

>>13776457
CCV is all that matters. Having a ton of dead subs is meaningless. Gura can't compete with Pekora despite having twice the number of subs. Having a ton of flaky normies as your primary fanbase is the exact problem of EN. People will tune in to watch Pekora no matter what game she's playing or what she's doing, even Gura's hardcore fans skip out on DMC streams

>> No.13776645

>>13776553
We'll see their numbers 1 month later

>> No.13776684

>>13776169
Unless they start to be more creative and try new things with their content, they wont be going anywhere...They also need to improve the chemistry among the themselves since that's also what always grab the audience attention...

>> No.13776714

You'd have to go back in time and actually scout worthy talents instead of lazy opportunists and nepotism hires.

>> No.13776745

Council is fine and doesn't need your saviorfag trolling.

>> No.13776787

>>13776553
Well the shark obviously is kinda burned out with this whole vtuber gig...Cant blame her tho because it sometimes happened among the girls in holo

>> No.13776809

>>13776714
That's the problem EN vtubers as a whole are such devoid of talent compared to Japanese vtubers. Not to mention the fact that pretty much all western women are whores and lazy opportunists. Holocouncil is the best of the best they could find.

>> No.13776811
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>>13776553
Gura's CCV is unironically busted though but I think pekkers still has better ccv even without the youtube bullshit

>> No.13776826

>>13776745
>Council is fine
Clearly they are not. Sana is pulling Roboco level numbers. In fact let me blow your mind here, of all the gens in Hololive Council has the overall lowest viewership on their streams over the past 2 months. That's right, they've had less people watching their streams than Gen 0, Gen 1 and Gen 2 as a whole.

>> No.13776855

>>13776169
Dunno if it's related or not but I find it weird how there's so little fanarts of them. When myth and council were announced, everyone and their mother drew them, getting an average of 30k+ likes per piece. I remembered there being a lot of big name jap artists riding in on the Gura train last year. Sure, they got high debut numbers but good fanarts of them are very scarce.

>> No.13776866

>>13776811
People stopped watching Gura because the hype wore off and she's pretty boring as a streamer. No need to appeal to Youtube conspiracy theories to understand why she has less people watching her streams now than a year ago.

>> No.13777079

>>13776809
>Holocouncil is the best of the best they could find.
How did Niji fill 3 whole waves with really good streamers but Cover failed to find just five?

>> No.13777129

>>13777079
Niji filled 3 waves of SJW talentless whores who dont even come an inch to the amount of talent Holocouncil had which is why Cover's scouting is far superior.

>> No.13777159

>>13777129
lmao

>> No.13777189

>>13777079
I wouldn't call NijiEN good streamers. I used to like them but they rely far too much on vulgarity and shock value, in fact Finana and Pomu would have virtually no appeal without it. Selen and Elira are the only ones I'd say are naturally good streamers and Selens laugh is fucking terrible so scratch her. Petra wants to be Japanese so badly she barely streams in English at all.

>> No.13777200

>>13776169
Just watch and support the girls you like, simple as.

>> No.13777245

>>13777129
You don't really believe this.

>> No.13777265

Myth had novelty going for them whereas Council didn't. They haven't managed to differentiate themselves properly; they don't have a "catch" and are largely more of the same old Minecraft nonsense. It doesn't help that they're all either milquetoast personalities or menheras that sabotage themselves.

This anon >>13776446 also makes a good point. In Japan, the holos are throwing live shows, appearing on TV, appearing on ads in the middle of Shibuya crossing, getting attention from famous artists and music producers; they are mainstream there. Meanwhile in the West... they go to anime cons and Gura gets sponsored by Taco Bell.

>> No.13777379

>>13777265
Council seems weirdly unenthusiastic about streaming too. Baelz is the only one I'd say who actually seems to want to do it, the rest don't strike me like they wake up excited to do a stream which is what you need to succeed as an entertainer. Kronii had to be shamed into streaming more often by her fans because she was putting off too many for extra "me time"

>> No.13777456

Early on they kept mentioning "working on projects" and of course Kronii/Mumei had songs they talked about at debut that we've heard almost nothing about since.

Let's just agree that Omega is the worst thing to happen to EN (Kiara crapping on it multiple times pubically now lmao) and hope they purge the larper for better management

>> No.13777515

>myth = majority of EN viewers
>not much reason for myth oshis to become council oshis after they've been with them for a whole year
as a unityfag, I think most council mems are fine and entertaining. Moomers is growing at decent rate, kronii still has her uniqueness going for her, baelz seems like the passionate creative of the gen. It's just there's not much pie left to go around imo

>> No.13777568

>>13776866
Saying something does not make it true retard. It’s weird that you care enough to lie to people dumber than yourself.

>> No.13777619

>>13776553
>she's pretty boring as a streamer.
gura streams too little and is not consistent enough

>> No.13777659

>>13777568
Occams razor. It's more likely that people got bored than a worldwide Youtube conspiracy to lower Guras CCV in particular while leaving everyone else untouched

>> No.13777663

>>13776809
That's bullshit. I've been following the indie and small corpo scene and there are plenty of legitimately enthusiastic streamers who actually love what they do, and so many good singers that it's not even a rare trait.
Then again I can't help but wonder if management is also sucking the life out of the talents; Mumei had some actually unique stream ideas before they got canned. My rrat is the Council girls probably did show enthusiasm in the audition phase and actually did plan on being entertaining, and then when they started they got hit by a massive reality check as Cover stuffed them into a mold.

>> No.13777731

The only way to save council is to make vtubers mainstream

>> No.13777906

Because western media and corpo still thinks vtubers as weird weebo shit while in Japan, they proudly plaster every anime and vtubers in front of their products and infrastructures.
This is why JP>EN
I will be Japanese by December 25

>> No.13778138

>>13777906
Good luck bro, Japan closed its borders again literally today.

>> No.13778470

>>13776446
Definitely, plus Vtubing is still very much on the smaller niche side of things in the west compared to in the east.

However, I imagine that'll change as the market for it slowly grows and grows, as until Hololive EN came about, Vtubing was primarily the domain of indies in the west, irrc.

>> No.13778583

Overall Council are pretty boring streamers, compound by the fact that most of them are either on breaks or can't be bothered to stream properly. JP's chuuba also maintain kayfabe and can banter better. For some reason the Vsinger is the best streamer out of the new gen, which either speaks to Irys's ability or Council's lack of.

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>>13776169
>here we go again

>> No.13778628

>>13776169
stop the breaks
sana new model

that should do

>> No.13778770

>>13776169
Force Sana to do drawing streams
Force Fauna to pre-record her ASMR because she fucking sucks at live ASMR
Force Bae to stream at human hours and release more covers
Force Mumei to stream
Force Kronii to drop her monotone voice acting schtick and act like a normal human

>> No.13778801

>stop taking breaks breaks breaks AHHHHH
didn't know there were this many sanafags

>> No.13778811

Debut them again, make up bullshit how they lost their godly power so they reverted back to mortal form.

>> No.13778845

>>13777456
What did omega even do?

>> No.13778939

>>13778811
Ollie did that and nothing happened

>> No.13778973

>>13777379
I'd say Fauna is also rather enthusiastic, she streams pretty consistently and has fun streaming. People here tend to overlook that, likely because many don't watch her considering her boring/bland. She's fine honestly, her voice might filter someone but Fauna's worth checking out. The rest are... yeah. Kronii and Mumei are fucking snoozefests, literally every Holo, Niji or indie I watch mogs them in entertainment level. Suprisingly, I quite like Sana's design but everything about her filters me. Bae's voice filters me hard, I'm not watching a single stream from her until she starts speaking in deep voice she uses for singing.

>> No.13779164

EN viewership has peaked. No subsequent EN gens will be as big as myth unless they check out.
/thread

>> No.13779191

Council's doing about as well as Myth, other than Gura.

>> No.13779203

I rather we stopped pretending HoloEN has anything to do with Hololive proper instead of trying to save the sinking branch. At least the indogs know their place.

>> No.13779214
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>>13778973
Kronii is fine. I feel like people don't understand the character she's supposed to be. A deadpan memelord, the monotone voice is part of her appeal. That's not her problem, Kronii's problem is lack of ambition.

>> No.13779275

>>13778973
Bae only used that deep voice of her on singing, on membership streams and when shes with me on my bed.

>> No.13779303

>>13779275
you watch fuck her boyfriend on your bed?

>> No.13779330

>>13779214
Then why is one of Kronii's best moments when she genuinely raged at Cortana and dropped the monotone voice? She should drop the kayfabe if the kayfabe is only limiting her appeal.

>> No.13779338

>>13779303
im her bf anon

>> No.13779700

>>13777659
This is idiotic. YouTube started filtering “spam viewers” in early December last year.
It affects all channels technically but has hit EN and probably ID orders of magnitude more than JP.
Most likely reason is ad blocker usage which Japan ranks in the bottom 3 countries worldwide in.
Believing that enough people all got bored on the same day in December to lower Myth’s live views by 10-30k depending on the streamer is the true schizo take.

>> No.13779905

council's rate of sub growth is equal or some better than myth in the past 7 and 30 days. not counting Gura and Sana since they're extreme polar outliers obviously. So they seem to be doing fine, why does this thread exist?

Oh to kill a 2views thread, well done op

>> No.13780093

of course they're mogging them, a gen that does break after break, prefer going off stream and still no cover songs aside from that medicore baelz hallowen thing, meanhwile Gen 6 stellar debut and record breaking debut ccv plus cover songs each so far

>> No.13780176

>>13779330
Aren't Lunas best moments when she drops the baby voice?

>> No.13780816

Gen 6 will overtake Gen 5, meanwhile Council won't get close to Gen 5 level.

>> No.13780936

two redundant trash Council bait drama threads on the catalog
all the loose threads on this shit board should be purged immediately

>> No.13781114

>>13776826
Wait, are you telling me that Japanese streamers who work for a Japanese company are more popular with Japanese viewers who make up the majority of their audience because it's born from Japanese culture, as opposed to Western audiences where the concept of vtubers is still niche? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

>> No.13781220

>>13781114
You are aware that a LARGE part of the audience of these japanese streamers is not japanese? Even Roboco has a bunch of foreigners watching her

>> No.13781274

it's all Ina's fault and her nepotism hire

>> No.13781501

>>13777456
Omega did literally nothing

>> No.13781837

>>13780093
Council expected to coast by on the hololive brand.

Nips would rather work themselves into an early grave attempting to go down in history as the greatest vtubers of all time.

>> No.13781890

>>13776364
This is the answer

>> No.13785282

>>13781837
Based Japanese

>> No.13786387

Chloe isnt helping

>> No.13787541

>>13777663
>hit by a massive reality check
They call him Omega.

>> No.13787742

>>13776423
Mori is not a good streamer even when accounting for cultural differences.

>> No.13789169

>>13776446
>Hololive really fucked up by getting kicked out of China.
Best fucking thing to happen to Cover. China is having the movie and games industry by the balls, imagine how much Cover would have to pander to CCP to stay on their good side.

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>>13776169
They dont need saving

>> No.13789611

Two things. Fire Omega and after that they need to get to work and save themselves.

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>>13776169
Mogged so hard bros, its not even fair
If only council love to stream instead of going on break

>> No.13791159

>>13776809
The main issue is that even mildly successful EN streamers have no reason to become a full time chubba, and even less reason to sign with a corpo.

>> No.13791299

>>13777659
>Occams razor.
The CEO is a jewess. That's all you need to know.

>> No.13791627

>>13789169
Well sure, but companies do that for a reason. It’s immensely profitable. Hololive Indonesia and English are shitty consolation prizes, Hololive China would have made so much goddamn money.

>> No.13791657

>>13776169
Can you fuck off already

>> No.13791848

>>13776169
Can you wait at least 2 weeks to see what Gen 6 numbers actually are when they aren't propped up by debuts and the brand?

>> No.13792566

>>13779330
wouldnt be half as funny if she was like that from the start. What is funny is the break of character when it's side by side with the monotone regularity

>> No.13792743

>>13792566
That's like saying someone should watch two seasons of boring TV show to get one good episode in the middle of third season.

>> No.13792920

>>13779338
Get outta here roberu

>> No.13792948

>>13776169
Nijiniggers seething

>> No.13793824

>>13776279
By that logic, Gen 5 mogged Myth. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. Check again if they can sustain that kind of rapid growth.
>>13777379
Mumei definitely enjoys streaming and wants to put in the hours, it’s just that she’s also a college student who’s already streaming while sleep deprived/overcaffeinated. There’s really not much more she can do until classes are out of the way, though apparently she has streamed for about as many hours as Bae this month.
With Sana, she clearly also enjoys streaming when she’s not on break. She was up there with Bae and Fauna in stream time before the hiatus, and became an endurance streamer after her return.
>>13777456
Don’t know about Kronii, but Mumei said yesterday in the Q&A stream that her song will probably release in January, and that her living situation hasn’t been conducive to recording music or singing (thin walls in her apartment, Yeti mic, and dog), so that delayed it for a bit.

>> No.13793903

>>13792743
Anon, the rarity of the character breaks makes them valuable.
Can you think of anything that is rare and limited? How about a hand-made paining, a mint-edition comic, a game that's no longer in production, even an NFT? All these things are very rare and very hard to find, and because of that, they are valuable.
Supply and demand, Anon.

>> No.13794610

>>13779700
And recently, it feels like youtube has been tightening the noose even more

>> No.13794775

>>13793903
That's some impressive cope and a shit analogy. If best things about streamer can fit in two or three clips then she is not very good.

>> No.13796480

Because, EN was a mistake. The hype is wearing down. People clearly see nobody wants to deal with the menhera SJW cunts of the EN world.

Look at Gen 6. Almost 200k live viewers. Almost 1mil. Gura is lucky to break 20k.

In Japan these idols are literally idols. They get to do all sorts of cool stuff and are literal celebs.

EN world thinks they're cringe and mocks them.

None of the EN girls put fourth any effort. None whatsover. Honestly, they should all graduate. Vtubing has been a JP only thing for ages and should remain that way.

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