/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Council are massively disappointing. None of them have the fire in their belly for streaming or improving Hololive, they have zero ambition and are content to continue hanging on to the coattails of their senpais and getting by on brand power alone. They're all dumb unityfags who have no drive to improve themselves or Hololive as a whole, and as a result contribute nothing of value other than being more warm bodies to watch during dead hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13641841
>Mentions dead hours

Tell me how I know you don't have a life or a job

[Anonymous No.]

I hope they all graduate, they bring shame to Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13641894
Wagie wagie get back in cagie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13641841
Come watch Bae’s Inyuasha Karaoke in an hour!
https://youtu.be/EbiHGbvt0DI

[Anonymous No.]

I just want ONE EN streamer who takes their streaming as seriously as Pekora is that so much to ask.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13641949
I'd keep blue Mori McTitty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13642001
Mori

[Anonymous No.]

>>13642001
Does it need to be HoloEN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13642058
i laughed at 5% capacity

[Anonymous No.]

>>13642058
I seriously doubt Mori is checking up on numberfag sites to optimize her metrics like Pekkers. If she is then she's doing a shit job of it.

[Anonymous No.]

Fauna, rrat and Sana are passionate about Hololive
Mumei and Kronii are absolute lazy bitches though

Especially Kronii pisses me off since she's actually talented unlike the rest

[Anonymous No.]

>>13641841
>except bae

[Anonymous No.]

>>13642978
Kronii is the worst since it's obvious she could easily be in the top tier if she was actually dead serious about it, she's got the Korean fans who are currently exploding in Hololive interest, she speaks a little Japanese and she has a good personality for streaming she just doesn't want to put that much effort in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13641841
>they have zero ambition
Bae has some

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah was super disappointed in them, so I watch other companies now. It's better on the other side honestly. Watching a kino as fuck collab right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>13642058
Is this what /vt/ards say when they WANT to say Kiara, who unironically and verifiably can be seen as the hardest worker for collabs and crossovers
But because the rhetoric is "hate chimkin" they say the WORST possible option?

And for those not in the know, the list of effort from most to least in Myth is
Kiara
Ame
Ina
Gura
Mori

[Anonymous No.]

>>13641841
100% true. All of them are only in it for the money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13642978
>Fauna, rrat and Sana are passionate about Hololive
No they aren't

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643213
Nobody hates Kiara because she works hard. They hate her because of her shitty, narcissistic personality that leaks through into her Hololive character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643060
>>13643083
Bae joined for the money and Roberu's dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643344
okay, I trust you telepathyanon

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643383
Bae seems the most eager to stream and has been generally good at pumping out content so far. I'm worried she's starting to show Ollie 2.0 vibes though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13642001
>EN
>Dedicated
Pick one

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643213
>And for those not in the know, the list of effort from most to least in Myth is
>Kiara
>Ame
>Ina
>Gura
>Mori
Actually accurate, though Ame and Ina are extremely close

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643404
Watch streams

>>13643416
Anon... she literally is Ollie 2.0

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643511
Ame is winding down and Ina is ramping up

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643213
Kiara is a tryhard attention whore

[Anonymous No.]

Bae and Fauna are the only ones that seem to at least care about Hololive, Mumei is a snorefest and I feel that she has no idea what to do, Kronii is a menhera and nobody cares about Sana

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643955
Tryhard is what matters on this metric. I WISH the lazy rapper and "uwu, im sick again! Oh nyo better take another week off teehee" would try instead of coasting on loli chasers and absolute primates chasing digital tits

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643562
>she literally is Ollie 2.0
What did Baeby do already?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13642058
Not the Wigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>13644352
She collabed with her oshi crush

[Anonymous No.]

>>13644304
>Tryhard is what matters on this metric
and yet Kiara is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13644558
Good for her, she still hasn't played 'Fur Elise' with her sideways smile on stream yet, so I don't really give a fuck except that I can't allow my son to be corrupted and sexualized that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13644581
This and Reine

[Anonymous No.]

>>13642001
>I wish Kiara existed but I wish she wasn't Kiara

[Anonymous No.]

>>13644743
If Kiara stopped wanting to be the loudest or most known in a room, she'd be on a near God level for her work ethic and outreach

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643213
Have you even seen Mori's total stream duration this month?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645232
no fuck you

[Anonymous No.]

>>13641841
I agree they are trash, but HoloMyth is even worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645232
And yet has made 0 initiative to make innovative collabs. Your standards of effort are the most basic of them all. "How long can i keep my stream online" pales when compared to Kiaras, Ames, Cocos, Miko's, and Pekora's work ethic that surpasses the streamer's punch-card of stream time

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645358
I didn't know collabs = work ethic.
Count the number of songs she released this song alone, and her own stream time for the past few months. You can't just move goalposts just to exclude people you don't like. That's just your feelings, bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643213
>Suggesting Mori doesn’t put in effot
Butthurt KFP is butthurt, slanders Mori as a result. As far as streaming hours go, Mori remains within the top percent of HoloEN regardless of what /vt/ likes to suggest. She streams often and long, especially in recent weeks / months, and puts out more music than anyone else by a large margin (which takes far more effort than playing a game for a few hours, in case you brainlets forgot). She’s also taken to organizing more collabs and did a several month campaign of a TTRPG game, which will be returning for a second season sometime soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645232
Doing shitty endurance streams where she begs other girls to join in vc doesn't equate to effort, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645435
That's not moving shit. I will always claim that effort off stream supercedes time on stream. That's why Ame's entire efforts to make the Halloween 3D world and Anniversary collabs will always ALWAYS surpass Mori's generic music she does 1 and done's or her time it takes her to beat Jump King.

Show me a time when the girl's or Mori herself didn't claim she knocked out the lyrics in less than a day, and i'll give her more credit. But for now, by her own admission, she isn't trying very hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>13642058
>he doesn’t know

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645548
>I will always claim that effort off stream supercedes time on stream.
Literally Mori's song output rate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645522
Mori has deposited 5% of a Big ups in Anon's account

[Anonymous No.]

Council antiposting sounds incredibly similar to Gen5 antoposting. Is this the same fags doing this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13644743
Unironically yes.
Someone with the work ethic, but a vastly different personality+voice, because MAN are they are turn-off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645548
Mori wrote the lyrics for Myth or Treat fucko

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645522
Mori and Kiara are literally the top two most streamed, on top of their offline work in their specializations. It will always be a bad idea to pit them against each other this way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645595
Mori literally only cares about her music and it's still average at best

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645595
>Last song was 3 weeks ago and Boogey did most of the work
I'm sorry anon, we're looking for "Genuine effort", you gave us "random collab songs with questionable input"

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645678
Your definition of what is average or good is entirely up to you, but you cannot argue how fast she dishes them out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645642
>antiposting
Fuck off and kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645358
This goalposting is peak retardation. What the fuck would you even consider ‘innovative collabs’? HoloDeath, the TTRPG, her review streams with Bae. Not to mention all the in progress shit she has going on such as the podcast and Jump King tournament. What kind of ‘innovative collabs’ do the others have going on that’s evidently such a higher caliber than Mori’s?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645672
And like previously said, she did it in less than an evening by Gura's account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645642
>Is this the same fags doing this?
When is it not the same fags not doing it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645718
Regardless, it doesn't make her a good streamer

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645769
Because it was fucking impromptu? She stepped into Ame and Gura's project because there was no one to write it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645732
Take your own advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645830
Nah, this will never be reddit no matter how much you try

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645769
Because nobody else wanted to do it and they were near the deadline you retard. Gura said that as a compliment to how talented Mori is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645807
>>13645548
>It's about effort
>no it's about good streaming
Pick one, nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645748
The 3D adventure Ame single handedly created with her sources, twice
The Holotalk that's still ongoing where Kiara actually prepares talking points well in advance instead of just grabbing similarly themed Hologirls to walk around Minecraft

Basically anything other than "haha i got some people to talk to for a time slot, and i (sort of) made this song with (a great deal of) help from my friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>13641841
They make just as much money as Myth. You're overreacting

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645893
2 different people, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645893
pick one what, retard, there's 27 people in here

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645902
>i (sort of) made this song
She sings and writes them, what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645932
They shouldn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645878
Why are you so obsessed with reddit? Why do you mention it unprompted all the time? You should take your meds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645807
It doesn’t make her a bad streamer either, retard. Again, your definition of what is good is irrelevant. The fact remains that she puts in effort. She works hard off stream and still manages to stream often as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646035
>She works hard off stream and still manages to stream often as well
>Nearly a month since her last song which was mostly done by Boogey's help
>Stretching her Jump King streams for extra time for akasupa and chatting with others
I sometimes think she's just lonely and uninspired now. Gura's REFLECT has more replayability than any of Mori's recent music

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645902
That anon listed like 5 collabs in recent months that Mori has worked on, and you listed 2 by Ame and 1 by Kiara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646032
Why do you speak and act like a redditor?

[Anonymous No.]

Mori antis are mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646180
>everyone who doesn't agree with me is mentally ill

[Anonymous No.]

Ok mythcucks, I’m going to brap on you with some facts. Are has burnt out and has never been the same. She’s becoming irrelevant and has been losing fans and viewers in the thousands. Kiara has already faded into irrelevancy with her numbers becoming nijinig tier. Like, let’s be honest, how the fuck do you get beaten by a FUCKING NIJI HAHAHHA. Mori was doing well until she did her TT podcast and basically destroyed her career. This leads to TTfags/trashbeats that love being cucked, into coping endlessly. No one here actually gives a shit about Ina because she’s not funny and K*rean. And WE don’t like boring chuubas. Onto Gura who is quite literally the most disappointing one in Myth. Imagine getting millions in subscribers and you did fuck all for it LMAO. It will never not be funny. So don’t get your myth panties in a bunch because council MOGGED your oshi in viewers once, you tranny

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646154
Rent free.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646227
*Ame

[Anonymous No.]

>13646244
Literal bot responses

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645902
>Basically anything other than "haha i got some people to talk to for a time slot
This is literally what holotalk is though
>and i (sort of) made this song with (a great deal of) help from my friends
If you're if you're getting downplay the fuck of her music making ability then you shouldn't even bother praising Ame's 3D streams because she doesn't "do" anything besides pay for commissions

[Anonymous No.]

I think the deadbeats have made a reasonable case for Mori's hololive-related work ethic, thus the rating should be amended

Kiara>Amelia>Ina=Mori>>>Gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646121
And again, since i'll distinguish myself by being "that anon" who only values effort as time invested in projects, in genuine. I don't see collabs that are just time slots as genuine effort.
Anyone can grab other people in a room and just talk about nothing for 60 minutes
And to further that, Mori may have been in the Summer festival, but she had 0 to do with its construction or design or planning, That was all Miko and her team. Same with Pekora's MC related events. Coco literally held Mori's hand after fishing through the wade and muck that is Reddit for her and Mori couldn't even clap her hands twice and say "next meme" when prompted too

5 times out of 5, Mori was an active participant at best (Mioko's Festival) and at worst an oddity occupying space (Pekora's festival)

[Anonymous No.]

>>13641841
True, they just brining back myth audience and maybe some korean

[Anonymous No.]

>councilniggers have to shit on myth because their whore oshis are so garbage
Every time...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13641841
Watching Kronii obliterate Gura in smash made my dick so fucking hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646301
>This is literally what holotalk is though
Except Kiara has worthwhile conversation that explores previously unknown aspects of said person (Sora and A-chan's past a key example) which implies a heavy sense of investing to each question
Like i said before, any retard can join a discord call and make noise for 60 minutes. Mori does this, Kiara's Holotalk actually provides substance beyond memes and soundbytes

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646297
What else to say to a reddit obsessed retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646301
>Ame segment
Ame oversaw and constantly monitored the design while providing feedback to her sources. Even scrapping the much loved Shrimp Gura which shows she didn't just take the first thing through the door
Mori's music proves.....she goes with first to the door every time

[Anonymous No.]

>>13642058
Everyone is seething, but you're right. She does the most work by far in Myth. She barely sleeps and has so many side projects it's stupid. Not to mention that when she started she was working THREE FUCKING JOBS.
The 5% has to be the worst meme. It literally means the opposite these thread readers think it does. She was saying that being live is only 5% of what she does, aka: she is doing an equivalent 95% of work off camera for hololive, which is way more then most members. She works herself to the bone and is putting her absolute all into hololive.
You can hate Mori for being a wigger or for low energy collabs or collabing with men, or any other reason, but you cannot say she doesn't work hard or doesn't care about hololive.

t. Autist about specifics

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645902
>singlehandedly
>with her sources
Amelia didn’t singlehandedly do shit. She did an amazing job gathering together the right people to execute her idea, and to her credit it was her idea, but she didn’t do the bulk of work in the slightest. I also find it hilarious with this in mind considering how you’ve then downplayed Mori’s work with Boogey Voxx despite her writing half of each song.

The TTRPG on the other hand took a shit ton of effort. Anyone who attempts to argue otherwise has never been a GM. Mori had to write multiple branching storylines for any given choice the girls may have made, characters, plot points, etc. She had to improv quite a bit as well, but it’s a hell of a lot more than simply gathering the group together and winging it once every two weeks.

HoloTalk does take effort, but it’s largely just Kiara collecting questions from her fans, maybe finding a few clips, and translating what’s being said. Don’t attempt to act as if it’s leagues above what Mori has done. I also notice you’ve conveniently forgotten Gura and Ina exist, but there’s nothing you could say to save your argument in that regard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643344
Oh, okay then! I guess you win, there's no refuting "because I said so"

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646227
Easy. Shill other vtubers for a more healthy western community. Gura and Mori are what most people see when they get introduced to vtubers, so seeing people trickle found and find their actual oshi is unironically a great thing. Let newfags flock to Tsunderia, Cyberlive, Phase Connect, Prism, Kawaii or find their own 2views to watch. Those girls are criminally underrated and I wish them the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646122
She has always done one song a month, and last month she did five. Either you’re just bad at baiting or are a genuine newfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646709
>The TTRPG on the other hand took a shit ton of effort
>"Let me make up a shit ton of hand-holding scenarios for my genmates"
>"Eh i guess i could have them roll the dice"
>"Whoops, i forgot to read the tutorial"
>"Fuck it, i'll do the /roll for them"
>"Wait, why are Ame and Ina so quiet in these collabs?"
>"Why is Ame trying to be written out"
Yea no anon, TTRPG is bar none her weakest effort. Tutorial missions? Maybe, current missions? LOL no

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646709
>Mori had to write multiple branching storylines for any given choice the girls may have made, characters, plot points, etc.
Not to dismiss the effort of gathering the girls which is already an accomplishment but her story is ridiculously linear and her improvisments are shit and almost nonexistent. It's at least nice for their first TTRPG but not really well constructed, but I can give her the praise of "better than fubuki's"

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646739
Whoever made this Polkora face, you forgot her eyelash sparkles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646961
It's EN Polka (forma de pippa), not the actual Polka.
https://youtu.be/e3_qVvwB3rM?t=111

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646816
>5 songs whose name's elude you
At least i could remember Graveyard. your commitment to the memory of the names reflects her commitment to make them memorable, which is a perfect sign that you and her misconstrue quantity as being greater than quality
And don't bother replying with the titles, any retard can look them up once you've been called out

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646448
>Except Kiara has worthwhile conversation that explores previously unknown aspects of said person
Not really, she ask everyone the seemingly the same handful of question that range from semi serious (what was like for you when joined hololive? what challenges did you face? what does hololive mean to you) and silly (what color are you underwear? Do you like apple juice or orange juice)
Like you when boil it down holotalk is just Kiara sitting in VC with a JP and asking them basic questions that anyone who's been watching longer than 2020 already knows
>Kiara's Holotalk actually provides substance beyond memes and soundbytes
Highly ironic you say this when holotalk has an entire segment that's just dedicated to getting JPs to say silly and embarrassing shit and another segment that's literally just them reacting to clips

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646890
Amelia has never shown any real interest in the TTRPG and Ina gets overshadowed by Gura and Kiara’s more loud personalities. Neither of which is either’s fault but can’t be blamed on Mori either. I was also never suggesting she’s the perfect GM, but she’s talked about staying up late into the night writing for the TTRPG, and woke up early every day to better accommodate for the other’s timezones. My point remains that she puts in effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646613
This whole argument is retarded and disingenuous because you're just overvaluing what Ame actually does while downplaying what Mori does for the sake of framing one as taking more effort than the other, I can do it too;
Mori writes lyrics and performs the songs often both rapping and singing in multiple different languages, is in charge of composition, and oversees both the track production and the mixing and mastering
Ame uhh... draws a picture of she wants, sends it to SeafoamBoy and then pays him to make it in VRchat for her

[Anonymous No.]

>>13645902
>talking points
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646890
Because Ina is just quiet in general and Mori does an okay job in trying to elicit a reaction from her? As for Ame, I'm going to admit there's a legit mismatch in expectations on what the campaign is supposed to be and Mori did her best to facilitate her. She rolls with it just like any good GM, but it's inevitable that some people won't work together as a ttrpg group, regardless of whether they're good friends or not. That's what shuffling players for, to find a group that works together. She can definitely recruit the council and HoloID for it, and Fauna and Reine are very promising options. Maybe Anya too but I'm just biased.

As an actual GM who has been playing TTRPGs since 2008 (and been on /tg/ even way before that), Mori DOES suffer a few flaws. Notably drumming up the stakes and dumping everything together in one go, such as the unique set of enemies in each player during their own tutorial sessions, that make it difficult to piece together, and well, sidestepping consequences by either downplaying or sidestepping them. Granted, No GM worth his salt actively seeks to kill players, but Mori does hold back even if she says she doesn't. This is fine and all if the players are lucky in their rolls, but becomes blatantly obvious the moment they get lucky and somehow come out relatively unscathed.

[Anonymous No.]

No vtubers contribute anything to the world other than being fap material.

Cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13647781
Shut up dumb coomer

[Anonymous No.]

>>13647711
I'll give you a bit of favoritism to Ame's unique idea vs Mori's music printouts, but you're being equally disingenuous for trying to make Mori's music some grand cerebral battle for supreme quality when another anon couldn't even remember the names of the songs she pumped out. Ame's idea was unique and new, Mori's music is commonplace and starting to get "quota meeting"

[Anonymous No.]

>>13648037
>Mori's music some grand cerebral battle for supreme quality
I don't think he said that?

[Anonymous No.]

Kronii has (had) the potential to be great. But she squandered all her potential. Just look at JP6 - they vacuumed up all the tourists now, and what’s left for Kronii is an inevitable stagnation.

It is just such to waste to see such amazing potential go unrealized. It’s like seeing the best sports talent of a generation fail because of drinking or drug habits. You see that a legend could be made, but no - she continued to make choices that irreversibly hurt her own career.

Even counting from when she just came back from her break, in the last two weeks;

1. She had a brief window of opportunity to make a strong impression that was squandered by a sponsor stream that was again a half-assed job.
2. When the entire vtuber world was lighted up with the new pokemon release, she insisted on waiting for the physical copy, and now half the world has already seen the game 5-6 times already.
3. Even though she already experienced such massive disruptions immediately before her break from Cortana, she didn’t spend even an hour during the break to fix it. This led to another completely fucked up stream where she had to pause and restart the stream - filtering massive number of tourists again. She didn’t even test her streaming computer once during the break.
4. And finally, Diablo. Jesus, who the fuck even wants to watch D2 in 2021? She could also have made it interesting by sprucing it up with unknown nerdy knowledge, but nope - it was another debuff stream where only her existing audience would tune in.

It’s just such a shame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13648139
If you or he are going to equate Mori's music production as the thing she invests her efforts into, then it bares knowing that it would intrinsically require it to be made well. If you are knowingly stating that that's what she pours her time and effort into, but it's not of supreme quality, then logically she is fudging it, the one thing everyone is using to equate her effort (le 5% meme)
Also i'm being exaggerative for the sake of colorful text, you know i'm not direct quoting by this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>13648196
Kronii is just going to vtube long enough until a wealthy businessman comes and buys her a plane ticket to wherever

[Anonymous No.]

>>13643362
That because she work hard anon.
If Kiara is lazy bitch you just not care

[Anonymous No.]

>>13648294
>If you or he are going to equate Mori's music production as the thing she invests her efforts into, then it bares knowing that it would intrinsically require it to be made well.
"Quality" is a matter of interpretation and you have not mentioned HOW exactly they are lacking in that department, nor does anyone mention that it's literally the second coming of Jesus. Nonetheless, these things take time and effort and she has been doing songwriting and rapping even before she was a vtuber, and shows no signs of changing her way of doing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13648477
Which 3rd world backwater did you crawl out from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13648518
I won't turn "quality" into that shitty ass /v/ tier "Soul v soul-less" meme. Quality can be measured. Quality is when a project or event is made with a concerted effort and it is memorable via its ability to draw people in or retain people already present.
I do not see Mori's music as quality, each video lacking more than the last

King Cover? 11M thanks to a derpy shark
End of a life? 4M because half the people watching it thought it was a graduation song
Crown? barely 500k
Graveyard Shift at 1.3M because it's back to a somewhat of a theme for the reaper

[Anonymous No.]

>>13648862
>4M because half the people watching it thought it was a graduation song
this is unironically the biggest cope/forcing a negative in the thread
it's one of the fastests growing Mori songs on both YT and Spotify, with a big portion of people putting it on par with 3:12

[Anonymous No.]

>>13648862
How the fuck do you measure effort when it's literally invisible aka offstream? And effort doesn't even translate to memorable, memorable or even numbers. You're conflating multiple different things with each other. Fucking Gate Open Start is well made and has been development hell for 10+ months, and it sadly only sits in 200k views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13646398
More like Council antiposting has gotten so stale that they have to resurrect old Myth baitposts to gain traction

[Anonymous No.]

bunch of unemployed leeches complaining about others not working hard enough?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13648037
>but you're being equally disingenuous for trying to make Mori's music some grand cerebral battle for supreme quality when another anon couldn't even remember the names of the songs she pumped out.
How that is anon's memory (or lack there of) relevant to effort that goes into making it?
Also I never said that it was a "grand cerebral battle for supreme" I just pointed out that your own biases has you downplaying the effort that goes into making original music, if it was easy as you say then why doesn't everyone in hololive put out a bunch of originals?
Do you who is capable of keeping with Mori as far production goes? Just Azki and Suisei both of whom don't stream nearly as much as Mori does
>Ame's idea was unique and new
I agree
>Mori's music is commonplace
Not really Idea of a rapping vtuber is still fairly unique especially a corporate one at that
>starting to get "quota meeting"
I'm not really sure how you can say this when just last month she released EoaL which was by her own admission a departure from her usually style and has also become one of the more highly regarded hololive originals

[Anonymous No.]

>>13649402
Hi Ame

[Anonymous No.]

>>13649357
>How the fuck do you measure effort when it's literally invisible aka offstream
When Miko said she wanted to expand the Festival Grounds, she worked on it both on and off stream. The proof of effort was in a completed festival grounds
When Ame wanted to do something special for their anniversary, she got to work on making (or rather outsourcing the talent to make) the 3D world and also probably had to coach the girls behind the scenes on 3D VR
When Kiara wants to host someone for Holotalk, she provides a platform for her chat to ask reasonable questions to which she adds her own, and then prepares

All of these are proof of their own works by the works being completed.

As far as GO:S, it must not be of a good enough standard if it's being left behind. Reflect was well made (arguable FAR better than anything Mori has ever made) and its proof is in the numbers and replayability

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>>13649651
Reflect is being left behind in its growth by eoal, Red and RIP alike, so according to your own standard Mori's efforts already toppled it multiple times

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>>13649651
What do you wanna do, broadcast her creative process every step of the way? Bitch is notoriously tight-lipped when it comes to song projects.
>As far as GO:S, it must not be of a good enough standard if it's being left behind.
Fuck off. Discoverability and exposure go a long way. Reine is, unfortunately, part of HoloID and that branch doesn't get enough exposure. Her King cover reached a million, not to downplay her effort at all, but it was the hot meme song.

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>>13642001
Ina

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>>13648862
>King Cover? 11M thanks to a derpy shark
>End of a life? 4M because half the people watching it thought it was a graduation song
>Crown? barely 500k
>Graveyard Shift at 1.3M because it's back to a somewhat of a theme for the reaper
I'll just leave this here
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcKZVjb6MWY
>5 of the top 10 are songs written by Mori
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4tOQLL93gs
>6 of the top 10 are songs written by Mori
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_89otvkb1EA
>5 of the top 10 are songs written by Mori
>>13649651
>Reflect was well made (arguable FAR better than anything Mori has ever made) and its proof is in the numbers and replayability
It's crazy how you say this but several of Mori's songs get more monthly listeners and replays than Reflect does

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>>13649913
We're gonna have to wait and see, but even at that, those are then and her songs now are stagger stepped with the exception of EoaL
If Gura's song peaks at say 20 M, and Mori's EoaL goes to the moon and back and makes it somehow to a B, then all it will prove is she has low effort and high effort works, Gura's sitting pretty at 100% of her musical work breaking numbers, whereas Mori is still testing the waters

>>13649914
I dunno what to tell you anon, in terms of Quality and Effort, you are 100% in the right, but at the end of the day she's not pushing hard to be heard and sometimes i feel every Tom, Dick, and Harry singing the same cover only ruins the quality by people just glossing over it

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>>13650052
NTA but just gonna mention I love Noel's original song.

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>>13650294
>Gura's sitting pretty at 100% of her musical work breaking numbers, whereas Mori is still testing the waters
this is new level cope when her sole orisong, with the buff of being her first release and twice the channel size is doing worse than a song Mori dropped 4 months earlier

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>>13647063
I perfectly remember each of the songs you absolute schizo. How retarded do you have to be to assume I forgot the names because I didn’t mention each of them in a situation where it wasn’t called for? Smoothbrain, take your fucking meds. The only song that I didn’t particularly care for was Crown, all of the others were on repeat for days.

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>>13648037
You’re just as much a smoothbrain as that other anon, assuming you’re not the same one. I am astounded at the mental gymnastics to achieve such a level of autism, but this is /vt/ so I really shouldn’t be surprised

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>Council thread
>It's all Mori instead
Mori putting effort into streaming and hololive in general shouldn't be a cause for debate if you have been following her for the last 5 months, but I know I shouldn't expect /vt/ to watch streams, much less Mori. But 5%, am I right?

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>>13641841
I fucking love Bae's dialogue readings, like in West of Loathing.

I fucking love Fauna's speech mannerisms, love Fauna's speech mannerisms.

I fucking love Kronii's unforcedness. It's really... y'know.

Sana

I fucking love Mumei.

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>>13653470
As a former 5%'er, I am wholly surprised and pleased at the amount of raw time Mori's been putting into streaming these past few months. She's actually been hauling ass.

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>no fire in the belly
sana does like 24 hours streams. how is that not having “fire in her belly”? this is black erasure.

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>>13654568
Sana streams like a motherfucker
Bae streams a lot
Mumei streams a lot considering she a full-time college student
Kronii used to stream like fucking nothing but has sworn to improving and has started streaming a lot more already
Fauna doesn't stream that much

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>>13654675
>Kronii used to stream like fucking nothing but has sworn to improving and has started streaming a lot more already
That's because Kronii was getting raked for how she was phoning it in. She's been paying a lot more attention to her pay pigs lately too.

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>>13641841
I'm not even a Council fan, I'm a Myth fanboy but YT seriously fucked Council over hard by removing 70% of their subs and killing the momentum. I bet it won't happen to JP 6 on the same scale that it happened to Council

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isnt it funny that we have 2 confirmed in this branch while aloe got btfo'd? id rather have aloe than these shitters.

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>>13645620
>He's proud of misunderstanding the 5% comment
I fucking hate ESLs.

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>>13643213
Gura has one original song after an entire year but somehow Mori is lower effort? shit just doesn't add up.

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Idc, I want to sniff Bae and Mumei's cunts

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>>13660906
It's just residual Mori hate that has become an endemic meme. It's essentially impossible to say she doesn't put in effort. People just don't like her and they want to rationalize it. They don't have to like her or her music. Personally I think her music sucks. But it's pathetic seeing the hoops they jump through to say she doesn't care when if you apply those standards to their oshis they suddenly make excuses.

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i wish mori stayed 5% because anything higher, she leeches of my jp oshis. feels worse than when homos collab with my oshi, nows theres a single song that i will never watch from suisei.

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>>13660999
Agreed, gura streams the least in Myth, barely has any projects to show a year later, drops games and minecraft builds all the time but somehow she isn't bottom tier in terms of effort.

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>>13641894
>The wagie seethes as he strikes you
Back in cagey you go!

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>>13643073
She is just afraid of leaving her genmates too far behind anon... please understand...

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>>13660450
it seems Cover has taken steps by making each debut a day apart. La+ has now 300K subs with not much purge happening, closing in the Council members

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>>13661207
Because not all people are as retarded as you. Content creation doesn't start and end in streaming. A one-hour stream may end up using 8 hours worth of time if you include research, rehearsal, making graphics, etc. Ayame is a good example of this. Ayame's one-hour stream is equivalent to NijiEN's whole month worth of effort because every second of her stream is carefully planned and executed unlike those of Nijis where they don't use much of their brain cells.

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It's not their fault.
YT fucked them so hard that their debut buff was basically non existent.

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>>13661487
WAGA-chan will surpass Gura.

Holo10 will surpass myth.

We are entering the age of fatso.

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>>13645672
So that's why it's so cringe.

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>>13663274
ok but Mori still streams way more so fuck off.

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I think council is pretty cool

Sana not so much

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Imagine effectively killing your momentum over a dead dog for A WHOLE month. Also the artist chuuba didn't know her design was dogshit and didn't give any feedback at all?

Ina's nepotism hire is probably the worst hololive pick in years. Even Aloe is better

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>>13641841
Jesus Christ, Take you fucking meds.

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>>13663274
This would be relevant if Gura put more than the bare minimum of effort into her streams. Gura isn't putting in 40 hours a week. She's not putting in any more than she streams, really.

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>>13641841
The cultural carrots and sticks aren't their to make good en vtubers that aren't going to cringe it up half the time. So they play it down and just end up being watered down holopro.