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13601618 No.13601618 [Reply] [Original]

Why the rush?? Debut on the same day as the announcement without waking to build up hype or anything.
HoloJP never rushed a gen like this

>> No.13601640

Yea. They didn't even give a fucking week to build hype...

>> No.13601662

>>13601618
And so soon after the (relative) faulure of council
Yikes

>> No.13601685

>>13601640
They could at least wait a day or two. Many ppl legit don't know yet there's a new gen and she's already debuting

>> No.13601688

>>13601618
fear of youtube mogging the sub numbers like what happened to council chuubas

>> No.13601738

>>13601688
You're supposed to post short videos quickly to avoid that.

>> No.13601751

>>13601688
Just do what Nijisanji does. Post a video that lasts a few seconds of them head bobbing.

>> No.13601789

They dont want to be purged like Council

>> No.13601797

>>13601618
They just had the biggest vtuber concert. That's more than enough hype for Hololive as a whole.

>> No.13601803

>>13601789
This way their live viewers during the debut are being purged

>> No.13601852

>>13601751
You know they still got sub nuked. It just wasn't as big as council's.

>> No.13601883

>>13601618
Did you need to post a screenshot of an Ollie tweet for this?

>> No.13601886

>>13601751
You mean what NijiEN did. NijiJP's new wave this year was stuck in stone ages mentality too and didn't release shorts before their debuts.

>> No.13601972

>>13601883
This board loves Ollie

>> No.13603339

>>13601738
doesn't work

>> No.13604140

>>13601618
My rrat is that someone will be graduating around or after Christmas, and they want the collab ban to be up by then.

>> No.13604247

>>13601618
Think of it as the ultimate test of their brand power. How many subs and viewers can they get on debuts that had zeros build up.

>> No.13604281

Cover doesn't give a shit. They know this will be a success and are barely doing anything to help the talents out. As a holofan I hope these girls graduate and go to a real company with real support.

>> No.13604596

>>13601618
I have been wondering the same, my guess is that they are behind schedule on something really important

>> No.13604690

>>13604281
Falseflagchama...

>> No.13604752

Jesus Christ, yeah that's actually pretty damn stupid, but hey, it's Hololive. They could slap anime eyes on a bin and just drop a debut without an announcement and people will eat it up.

>> No.13605150

>>13601618
Did you not learn anything from gen5?

>> No.13605270

>>13604140
I just don't see cover conceding to that kind of request, or not just saying it'd be fair to lift the collab ban for special circumstances.

>> No.13605409
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13605409

>why gen 6 now

The old men fear her power, and have tried to make a >cool gen.

Either that or theyre trying out designs for video games.

>> No.13605447

>>13601618
>Why the rush??
Surprise factor and now everyone is rushing in to watch the debut

>> No.13605589

I think the last minute reveal is supposed to fit the secret society lore. I also wonder if this secret society thing was born of the popularity of the power in the shadow manga.

>> No.13605818

>>13601618
Turns out wasting several weeks on chuuni lore is completely unnecessary and only serves to boost one tranny's ego.

>> No.13610533

>>13601685
And yet. She's popular as shit. Loli is life.

>> No.13610624
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13610624

>>13601618
>NO YOU NEED LORE AND 8 HOUR COUNTDOWNS REEE - omega
>who are you lol - Yagoo

>> No.13610843

Council was heavily hyped and plagued by delays and set-backs and accounts getting blocked and subscribers being lost because people were subbing to empty channels which made Youtube's algorithm panic.

If they do it on the day, there's no disappointment due to no delays nor risk of people's hype levels reaching unreasonable levels. The fact that La+ is on track to take over Sana on her first day is a sign that this is the better model to run with.

>> No.13610849

KNEEL

>> No.13610904

>>13601662
Yep, super hyped council underperformed

>> No.13611043

>>13610624
JP staff is based asf, the EN one makes me want to get my balls smashed on a hydraulic press

>> No.13611120

>>13601618
>Why the rush??
Consider Council debut. It was scuffed in several areas, including a 24 hour delay.

>> No.13611225

>Debuts the same day
>no build up
>no model reveal
>30 minutes
It’s like I’m watching a filler episode or something what is even happening?

>> No.13611259

>>13610843
Council was hyped and just disappointed me personally, the models and the person behind the character seems souless to me, I don't have any problems with EN but this and the shitty lore to appeal to ironic weebs turn me off to watching any Council member, hopefully the new girls actually seem to enjoy their job.

>> No.13611803

>>13611225
>no model reveal
Laplus has another stream in 2 hours. She'll probably just do it there after the fan name is decided.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KCAi-nFiRY

>> No.13612107

>>13611803
It would have been better to just do it on the debut stream. If they’re doing 1 debut a day what sense does it make to do a 30 minute stream?

>> No.13612220

>>13612107
Other members can't stream when there's a debut stream so less important stuff like showing the model can be done later so it doesn't stop senpaitachi to stream.

>> No.13612241

>>13601618
You guys need your 1 week "build up"?

>> No.13612332

Lui has a video up premiering way earlier than her debut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkCPkLmU7l4

>> No.13612380

>>13601618
>150k ccv for debut
Seems like they did something right.

>> No.13612414

>>13604140
Maybe Friend considering how hard she has reclined and that gen 6 has pink fox to replace her

>> No.13612444

>>13612332
That's right after her debut though.

>> No.13612466

>>13612332
Anon, your time reps...

>> No.13612581

>>13612220
>Other members can't stream when there's a debut stream
But they aren’t steaming either way there is no rush no ones going after her. It makes sense why Nijisanji does 30 minutes because it’s relays doing it for one person is stupid.

>> No.13612647

>>13610843
OH NO NO NO NO NO

>> No.13612729

>>13612444
>>13612466
It was moved. It was previously set November 26 and got moved to 27 at a time after her debut. She probably just made a mistake.

>> No.13612928

>>13601618
>Why the rush?
Unironically? My rrrat is that they're taking the active vshojo drama opportunity to release their gen that looks like but not looks like them. I could almost hear the advertisement:
>"It's sad to see that the Vtuber girls from Vshojos are being targeted by malicious people. We offer our deepest support to them in those time of need."
>"In the meantime, you can take a look at our own pink cat girl."

>> No.13613075

>>13612928
>implying jps give a fuck about a irrelevant group like vshojo
rent free

>> No.13613376

>>13611043
>balls smashed on a hydraulic press
god i wish that was me

>> No.13613851

>>13612928
That's a bs rrat but I belev et

>> No.13613981

>>13613075
Well, they cared enough to stop Coco from collabing with Melody

>> No.13614230

>>13612928
Well, it's not just that. Several small companies have all done debuts this past month, and the big fancy Sony project vtubers came around last week too.
Now Cover can come in with their own financial prowess and absolutely dominate the vtuber discussion everywhere through the rest of the year. There's no time to worry about Nijisanji or VerseN, there's no time to worry about PRISM/Phase/Kawaii or Vshojo. HoloX is here and very strong right out of the gate.

>> No.13614288

>>13613981
Considering the latest disaster they just had where they doxxed everyone that auditioned for gen2. Blacklisting vshojo was one of the best things they could have done

>> No.13614365

>>13601618
its smart since it breaks the mold and also immediately causes FOMO.
shit strategy in general, but since everyone expects announcements and a slow start, this will get people talking

>> No.13614538

its a shitty marketing for shock values, and failed. the jp marketing team or execs seems to be a bunch of assholes and yagoo seems to be brainwashed by them. im sure the lore garbage is also their idea.

>> No.13614584

Which of these gen 6 isnt just cover staff larping a vtubers?

>> No.13614732

>>13610904
huh, a generation of utterly mediocre streamers isn't doing myth numbers. the issue is probably the way they were promoted, and maybe they didn't have enough lore

>> No.13615037

>no week long buildup that ended with a delay and stupidly high expectations almost no one could deliver
>no Youtube deleting half of your subs 3 times because their channels were new without any content and were growing too fast
>no 5 1-hour streams on the same day when 2 of your new members live across the world and they're both the first and last
It's almost like the JP management isn't a bunch of dumbasses and learned with Council's debut. And too be fair, having a relay day for their debuts wouldn't be a pain in the ass since the 5 of them live on the same timezone, but I much prefer this way and it also doesn't make all of their anniversaries on the same fucking day. And look, Laplace-chan had probably the biggest debut stream of Hololive history and is almost passing Sana in subs. Hopefully EN gets better management for Gen 3.

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>>13611225
>150k ccv for debut
>Debut PV already at 1.1 M views

Hololive is on at a different level.

>> No.13617331

>>13615037
>no week long buildup that ended with a delay and stupidly high expectations almost no one could deliver
>no Youtube deleting half of your subs 3 times because their channels were new without any content and were growing too fast
Agreed this is great
>no 5 1-hour streams on the same day
>Relays are better but no one needs a ONE HOUR for a debut that's way too long, corpo debuts shouldn't take more than 15-30 minutes. NijiEN already has figured that out.

As far as the timezones, that's just an EN problem, and it could be easily fix if they didn't keep mixing timezones per gen. It made sense for Myth since it was a new branch, but now there's no reason to mix up the timezones.

EN3 should be a EU/UK focused gen.

>> No.13617854

>>13617331
I still prefer everyone having their own anniversary date than debuting on the same day, but considering this situation I believe making a relay would keep the hype up. But yeah, the quick debut was also a good point. Most of the time they don't have content to keep up for 1 hour, so getting to the point with a quick presentation and showing your skills is the best way to start. Hopefully the other 4 can keep the rhythm. As for EN3 I just want them to do something similar to this. Announce, debut in less than a few days, no multiple teaser trailers, just one showing the talent, the theme and the dates and done. Granted, Gen 3 won't deal with the fact they're following Myth so the pressure would be way smaller. Still, EN management shouldn't repeat the same shit they did with Council, but I doubt they learned anything.

>> No.13617900

>>13617331
Europeans barely superchat, and the European timezones have a significantly lower density of English speakers compared to North America.
EU gen would be a disaster, with many of the girls ditching Kiara's hours to just stream during NA primetime anyway.

>> No.13617986

>>13615037
kek dont you even notice many of those are eops. i swear to god this loli bitch cant be popular in the jp industry. too fucking anime leaning. only kimootas will watch her, but you can imagine anything you want to since you are an eop.

>> No.13618396

>>13617986
And how does that relate to the way they're doing debuts with Gen 6?

>> No.13618671

>>13614732

I wouldn't even say they're mediocre, a number seem fairly good. The problem is the better ones seem unmotivated and aren't streaming enough, and/or are taking giant breaks.

>> No.13618848

>>13612414
>>13604140
More like an entire gen, for example Noel, which is why this has her lookalike.

>> No.13619322

>>13601618
looks like they were right, again

>> No.13620330

>>13618396
gen 6 isnt successful at all. you cant even notice it bc you are an eop. i keep saying this, but shes too anime and nerdy even for japanese. shes like someone from disgaea who overly acts like a loli demon using lots of fucking shitty anime cliches. which is not a "hololive way". the reason hololive jp became popular in japan is that their vtubers werent so nerdy or animay like that, could attract casuals and even normies.

look at her comment section. japanese dont comment so much compared to eops despite it being her first debut stream. its already becoming like haachamas comment section. these eops however will be filtered quickly since she isnt like either coco or haachama. guess what will happen there after that.

>> No.13620499

>>13620330
>gen 6 isn't successful at all
Oh hey, didn't know you came from the future. Have a (You) for your efforts, John Titor. Don't you have an old IBM to retrieve?

>> No.13620683

>>13601640
>spend thousands of dollars making shitty lore vids, months of hype
>first debut of gen 6 already in councils tier despite none of that
Omega must be seething. EN is run by frauds.

>> No.13620691

Doesn't matter, brand will pull through. They'll shift to waiting a year for new gens.

>> No.13620761

>>13601618
Imagine they just dropped a gen that they hyped up and it died. Would they do the exact same thing or would they try something different?

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13620956

>>13617331
Europe doesn't care about Hololive

>> No.13621054

>>13620956
Why are Americans so weeb now

>> No.13621084

>>13620956
Europe is too busy being Europe and that means they worry too much about soccer over chubbas

>> No.13622350

>>13601618
They already foreshadowed HoloX with Cortana invading Kronii stream in few days ago since X means Xbox.

>> No.13622535

>>13621054
American media is substantially worse than Japanese media, with few exceptions that are lesser every year. Japs make fun, wacky, entertaining shit so they get all the money. Hence major companies deciding to "adapt" Japanese property to ride on name branding.

>> No.13622582

>>13621084
The first soccer-focused Fifa-playing Railway-Simulator-owning chuuba is going to make more Euros than the Pope.

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