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>> No.13458506

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

>> No.13458601
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* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>57,603: Pekora (Hololive)
>56,025: Marine (Hololive)
>54,913: Maimoto (Nijisanji)
>51,625: Rushia (Hololive)
>43,878: Noel (Hololive)
>43,383: Pekora (Hololive)
>41,681: Flare (Hololive)
>34,188: Kanata (Hololive)
>24,311: Gura (Hololive)
>21,784: Miko (Hololive)
>19,567: Okayu (Hololive)
>19,329: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>17,337: Lize (Nijisanji)
>17,323: Calli (Hololive)
>17,032: Mio (Hololive)
>16,745: Noel (Hololive)
>15,405: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>15,107: Aqua (Hololive)
>14,613: Patra (774 Inc.)
>14,175: Gatchaman (indie)
>13,937: Amelia (Hololive)
>13,123: Tamaki (NoriPro)
>12,101: Ina (Hololive)
>11,554: Kanata (Hololive)
>10,372: Hayato Kagami (Nijisanji)
>10,317: Fuwa (Nijisanji)

>> No.13458617

>>13458493
>slip

>> No.13458621

>>13458493
>Slip
Oh you bastard you.
Also, my god choco spent 10 fucking hours grinding mobs. What is up with this woman?!

>> No.13458631

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ukwgRV4hkM
Moona is doing a late night gurilla karaoke

>> No.13458645

>1138 Replies
last thread was fun

>> No.13458648

>>13458601
Silverboy shut out of the top 10? My my how the mighty have fallen. Mori with a respectable 17k man her median has shot up incredibly.

>> No.13458673

>>13458601
>Mio 17k
Wait what the fuck how?

>> No.13458681

>>13458621
Choco obviously has an alt account but I can't tell if she's basically shitposting or what. She obviously doesn't care that much about her numbers.

>> No.13458712

>Enter king

>> No.13458715

>>13458601
For a Tuesday, those are some immense numbers.

anon was saying it was a holiday in Japan, which would explain the push today
>Labour Thanksgiving Day

Could this be the strongest Tuesday in months?

>> No.13458716

>>13458673
she rode in the bangbus

>> No.13458725

What's with the constant shounenshit for the op?

>> No.13458737

>>13458673
She drove a bus the wrong way.

You had to see it.

>> No.13458746

>>13458601
Patra getting her weekly 10k

>> No.13458772

>>13458601
Nijisanji - 6 (9 for honorary nijis)
Hololive - 17

Holo took 9 of the top 10. Big day.

>> No.13458777

>>13458621
>>13458681
Choco uses that as her alt ASMR account,. except the background is not "licking ears" or "popping sounds" but "killing enderman"

>> No.13458811
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>>13458725
>he didn't get it

>> No.13458814

>>13458631
She's not letting her crown as the number one ID VTuber be taken from her

>> No.13458838

>>13458601
Aqua . .

>> No.13458867
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13458867

Ignoring that my recommendations are weird.

3 > kson joining the Vshoujo MC server.
It would only be 6PM for PSt, a lot of people could be online for some first time on-screen interactions. Expecting good numbers.

On 4, this might the one for which Cover finally strikes Iroha down.

>> No.13458898

>>13458838
Guerilla uta, when what we really wanna see from her is gameplay again. Sigh, she didn't even get a proper rest during her break, according to her.

>> No.13458911

>>13458867
What's that "pussy squirt" one again!?

>> No.13458976

>>13458772
Gen 3 taking 6 of those 9. Golden generation indeed.

>> No.13458986
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>WELLLLLL ANONS!?!
Any other NijiEN fan disappointed with the state of the smaller EN companies?

>> No.13459018

I was wondering why things seem calmer.
>>13456511
I guess the vshojo/twitch schizo is busy elsewhere.

>> No.13459050

>>13458976
They weren't THIS far ahead a few months ago, but the top keeps growing.

>> No.13459075

>>13458986
Post the post debut update anon.

Also, Prism's new gen is pretty strong.

>> No.13459109

>>13458911
>iroha translation

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>>13459050
Everyone got some subs today, even Flare who is the lowest in these metrics is no slouch.

>> No.13459121

I didn't realize this hit 1M
https://youtu.be/YvU0sJCmFlE

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>>13458601

>> No.13459175

>>13458867
Oh no oh no oh no RRATbros??? Did Kson really leave H*l* just so she can collab with VShojo?

>> No.13459210

>>13459121
>took 1 month to get 1 mil views
>has 3.6 mil subs
Shut it down Yagoo. EN is a waste of time and resources you could have spent on Pekora's costumes instead

>> No.13459256

>>13459121
It was already at 1M for quite some time iirc.
https://youtu.be/vltsTKKqzBo
This one is about to hit 1M tho. Honestly the amount of views that even her old streams get should be illegal.

>> No.13459294

>>13459121
There are two more coming soon
Both are at 990k

>> No.13459322

>>13459121
It hit 1M a while ago

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13459376

whats going on with Miko's stream?

>> No.13459410

>Thought on king's barely breaking 10k right now?
https://youtu.be/lrwha3BHfL8

>> No.13459434

>>13459376
>vertical lines
definitely susan bullshitery

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>>13459376

>> No.13459499

>>13459376
Susan finally cracking down on Cover's usage of bots

>> No.13459560
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>>13459410
easy to call
Valorant has had streams all day, with the Girls part stuff so fans are already tuning out.

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13459661

>Migo's numbers have steadily increased with the most intense pokemon battle
I kneel Migobi

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>>13459121
Should update the "over 1 million" list then, since it's been a month.

In about 1 hour Gura will have 37 videos over 1 million views.
3 are songs (1 from the topic channel)
34 are full streams - by far the most streams over 1 million of any vtuber.
2nd is Pekora with 15
3rd is Kuzuha with 14

Noel's the only other one that reached 10 streams over 1 million, with another coming soon.
That Ara Ara one blitz past and is growing very fast.

>> No.13459987

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ukwgRV4hkM

Holostats didn't seem to catch this guerilla Moona karaoke

>> No.13460059

>>13459983
Oh yeah, marine will tie her very soon, since she has 9 streams now and the Sister Marine stream is about 1 day away from 1 million
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htOvIBsLeCM

>> No.13460065

>>13459987
She hit her usual 5K while singing Rick Astley

>> No.13460133
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13460133

Say is it just me or have the chinks been especially active these past few days?

>> No.13460165
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>>13459075
here because that guy is a lazy bum

>> No.13460184

>>13460133
Based Haachama poster

>> No.13460224

>>13459983
I kneel Queen of useless metrics...
Now if only you'd put your 3.6 mil subs into actual use and get #1 in CCV or SC...

>> No.13460256

>>13460133
weren't the chinese riled up by something else?

>> No.13460267

>>13460133
Wow this project really live rent free in chink's head

>> No.13460281

>>13460133
Did they get Susan'ed?
3 of the Prism girls were at 5k ~10 hours ago.

Also thanks, yeah no crazy subscriber numbers.

>> No.13460297

>>13460256
The tennis player drama is making them look bad on an international stage. Again.

>> No.13460318

>>13460133
Isn't it because Fubuki presented?

>> No.13460319

>>13460256
What, the tennis player thing?
Yeah, possibly, the whole thing started over on their end of the firewall, after all.

>> No.13460364

>>13460281
Meant for
>>13460165

>> No.13460368

>>13460224
>Chink doesn't know more views means more money...
I don't blame you... because chink can't use youtube...

>> No.13460396

>>13460319
>>13460297
does this tennis thing has a name?

>> No.13460399

>>13460133
eh seems like typical chink things to me

>> No.13460446

>>13460318
yeah but we haven't seen any actual accounts with kanji names for awhile now, it's been those freshly created accounts with no avatars and generic western names for a good few months. These aren't the obsessed ones, these are the general wumao/little pink guys

>>13460396
Google Peng Shuai

>> No.13460460

>>13460318
Yea the fox who lives utterly rent free in their head to the point she just makes them seethe worse than Coco at this point. Because Fubuki just doesn't care.

>>13460297
Well considering they tried to give her the Stalin Special and even an apparent fake/forced withdrawal of her statement.
Although what is Gulag in Chinese?

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13460566

Pekora got +10k faster than Mori

>> No.13460623

>>13460566
This is just gonna go back and forth until Mori releases her next song/EP and pushes ahead.
Also, let's not get too sidetracked with the whole Tennis thing, lest the thread descend into yet another episode of /pol/ posting.

>> No.13460641

>>13459018
Also someone made a sony vtuber bait thread so that's where alot of the numberniggers are at right now
>>13457411

>> No.13460660

>>13459983
gotta say, the 4th one being Danchou of all people is a real surprise

>> No.13460697

>>13459983
I wonder how songs might swing that list. Suisei and Calli would shoot way up.

>> No.13460716

>>13460460
>>13460297
>>13460446
God sometimes I really wish ww3 would kick off already so we can finally get rid of these pests instead of having to suffer them shitting in our bowls

>> No.13460727

>>13459983
Isn't Marine 2nd?
She has a lot of meme shorts

>> No.13460742

>>13460446
>Peng Shuai
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/18/china/wta-ceo-peng-shuai-steve-simon-intl-hnk/index.html
>Hu tweeted. "She will show up in public and participate in some activities soon."
see you soon then

>> No.13460761

>>13460660
Sankisei is just strong, and ASMR is the kind of content that can be rewatched like songs
>>13460727
I think he's just counting streams. Otherwise Suisei and Calli should be counted

>> No.13460778

>>13460727
Note, streams. A lot of Marine's 1m+ are her shorts, so not quite there with normal streams yet.

>> No.13460803

>>13460742
yeah, and the whole time the CCP will be pointing a revolver at Papa and Mama Peng's temple to make sure she doesn't go off the script.

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FUCKING KEK, nip banter is something else.

Catching up to their grudgeposting and banter on matome, things didn't go very well for NIji blokes which are strangely quiet since last night for some reason

>> No.13460895

>>13460848
Also, I'm "hand translating" these, someone fix my translation and help be with 198 and 209 there

>> No.13460910

>>13460697
Songs don't help Mori much. She usually gets +10k for every 7 days and after releasing a song it decreases to 6 days for a while. Her appearance on TT shortly improved it to 5 days.

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Nijicope circa 2020

>> No.13460939

>>13460910
Meant to >>13460623

>> No.13461012

>>13460848
It’s like the people in this thread who call it early for Nijisanji.

>> No.13461077

>>13460848
198 is something like "They are just hyping things up (for the fall)"
209 is a pun, 引き立て役 means "A person who makes someone else appears better" so by putting it infront of -sanji they are basically calling Nijisanji a bunch of jobbers

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どんcry anons

>> No.13461142

>>13461077
>198 is something like "They are just hyping things up (for the fall)"
Like, implying they're falseflaggers?

>> No.13461175

>>13461126
MASAKA!

>> No.13461206

>>13461142
Possibly, but I'm not familiar enough with japanese internet culture to make that call, it could also just be them calling nijisanji hype men. You know, hyping things up so when Pekora and Marine overtook him it's a big event rather than yet another day

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>>13460319
>>13460297
Chinese state media already released a statement that she's ogey. nothing else to see move along.

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Speaking of 1M vod views. PekoMarine is too strong

>> No.13461244

>>13461209
>Hello every one, it's me <missing_person>
D-Do they really?

>> No.13461261

>>13461209
I read that in a strong British accent

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>>13461239
based lesbians

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>that chink seething about this webm, complaining it is not allowed in a numbers thread
kek

It also counts as kneeling, just saying, it makes it on topic

>> No.13461290

>>13461126
Pretty impressing desu

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>>13459376

>> No.13461332

>>13461288
#1 way to get flooded with offtopic shit is to cry about being targeted by offtopic shit

>> No.13461366

>>13461314
This on Yt or Twitch?

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>>13461332
In his defense he ragequit after that webm and this one. Shameful display of poor sportsmanship, he could at least fight back or something

>> No.13461493

>>13461366
Youtube, also "one was premium account": >>https://warosu.org/jp/thread/S32554010#p32560584

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>>13459175
What's more is that the account she'll use to visit the Vshojo server is the same KiryuCoco account she used when she was still in Hololive. imagine the yab if she streamed with the Coco skin still on.

>> No.13461608

>>13461528
I want to believe she's not that retarded but eitherway almost everyone know who she was even if it happens I can't see it becoming a big yab

>> No.13461615

>>13461493
Really wish the anon had outlined exactly what he was testing (tab ins Adblock parameters etc) just so it'd be more compelete, but we've known the CCV on YT is utterly fucked for months now.

>> No.13461656

>>13461608
I wouldn't be surprised if she "just" forgot. And it wont be a big thing unless clippfaggots make it one.

>> No.13461663

>>13458986
No they shouldnt be.

>> No.13461717

>>13460165
Is Shee really that popular?

>> No.13461752

>>13461717
I don't know, I don't actually watch them.
The only thing I know about them is that Prism is run by some rich dude who's already had it made for life and is just doing this so he can larp as an idol manager.

>> No.13461755

>>13460848
Wished we could banter like this. That site actually has niji fans in it to bully. Nijifags here already accepted their fates and only comes when someone asks for contexts about their events. There's a lot of fake ones who sets up grudgeposts for later.

>> No.13461767

>>13461656
Kson would strike anyone who clips it just like she threatened legal action on those who were trying to make it look like she was badmouthing cover.

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>>13460697
Yes, Those 2 and Kanata are way ahead in terms of songs
>>13460727
Also yes, Marine is among the solo accounts by far ahead in terms of shorts, 2nd only to the Hololive main.

I haven't finished the Niji/vspo/solo side, a few of them look competitive for songs and shorts especially.
Just Kuzuha, Maimoto and Niji main for streams though.

Here's the semi updated top for just Hololive
By No of Streams over 1 million:
Gawr Gura 34
Usada Pekora 15
Shirogane Noel 10
Houshou Marine 9
Uruha Rushia 7

By songs (+topic channels)
Hoshimachi Suisei 25 (From topic: 3)
Mori Calliope 22 (From topic: 9(
hololive ホロライブ - VTuber Group 20 (From topic: 8)
Minato Aqua 14 (From topic: 1)
Amane Kanata 13

By shorts, everyone else with 2 or less:
hololive Main 118
Houshou Marine 17
Akai Haato 8
Shirakami Fubuki 3

>> No.13461879

>>13461755
>implying Nijisanji's super casual tourist fanbase uses boards like that
Nijifans are too busy doing normie shit. There are no Nijifans there. Its the same shit as here.

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>>13461879
ah, yes, every nijifan is a flaseflagger

>> No.13461988

>>13461879
> There are no nijifans
Can we add this to the cope list?

>> No.13462023

>>13461876
Well, that was some shit.
Fubuki has 5 "shorts" actually, the image is accurate
because most of hers and Haachama's they could be considered songs as well

Also, meant Aqua and Kanata

>> No.13462057

>>13461717
she got a plug by dloow via community post.

>>13460364
Prism was mostly unaffected by susan purges. They had a few hundred get wiped, but none were close to getting 10k

>> No.13462126

>>13461876
btw, Yt can only show you 200 videos on the channel when choosing "sorted by most viewed".

>> No.13462142

NIJICOPE LIST
>building a sub-culture
>slow and steady growth
>merch sales
>no longer showing off their achievements on their page because they have shown more humility
>percentages
>tournaments don't count
>fortune telling
>volume
>averages
>total CCV during primetime
>trailers are ads
>Google trends
>Holo EN was a desperate gambit
>Holo's forcibly acquired audience vs Niji's natural growth
>stop picking on midgets! fight someone your own size!
>pit Vshojo against HoloEN when you're losing
>pit HoloEN against HoloJP when you're losing
>pit former Holo against HoloJP when you're losing
>Holobubble is bursting
>foreign buff/global audience bad, muh local Nips good
>YouTube Japan trends
>Apex will only get more popular from now on!
>flexible creative freedom
>Holo's restrictive management will cause them to eventually graduate
>Cover uses bots
>Hal is honorary Niji
>Kson is honorary Niji
>Ui is honorary Niji
>Most vtubers are Nijisanji like and Nijisanji is part of greater vtuber community
>Nijisanji fans are more passionate about their livers and will leave dislikes to show their engagement
>Sponsorships are retarded
>Hololive's merch and sponsorship bad because companies underestimated them which means that they don't care about the cheap collab
>Koshien is not an event
>Nijisanji is solidifying their other markets while keeping their strong home market
>Pre-recorded lives are technically premiers and shouldn't count
>Cover is just lucky to have clippers and algorithm on their side
>Hololive invented unicorns
>Watchalongs are POVs
>Nijisanji isn't a corporation, it's a family
>Each Twitch viewer is equivalent to about 1.5 Youtube viewers because Selen flopped her first Twitch stream and Selen never flops
>By promoting the main channel they create more general Nijisanji fans which will then trickle down to the smaller livers down the line
>Evil God Korone is an event game
>Subs to growth ratio
>VOD views don't count
>Everything that brings a big audience is a special event
>>Niji is mainstream in JP, which is more important than Hololive's international dominance
>Holo's main channel kneels to Niji main channel
>All nijifans are falseflaggers

>> No.13462298

>>13461876
I thought Pekora currently has 3 songs on her channel, which is the other 1?

>> No.13462356

>>13461983
When I go to the grocery store, or something like that, I see people in Towa hats and Gura hoodies all the time. When was the last time you saw a Nijisanji fan?

>> No.13462357

>>13462126
yeah, there's a lot of weird restrictions.
I'm trying to learn to use the YT api for Nijisanji and the rest, because it's too many people, but the api is a piece of shit.

>> No.13462364

So, about the game, I saw someone saying Genshin was created from over $100M and production was from 2017 iirc. 3 years. Isn't it possible for Cover to do a smaller sized Genshin with smaller funds, let's say their $15M along with how much profit they made this year, with some connections from Square Enix or maybe Capcom? A smaller sized game seems feasible for western and jpfags since they can't sell the game to Chinks. It's not an MMO either.

>> No.13462416

>>13462356
You need to wake up. Your parents miss you.

>> No.13462428

>>13462364
After seeing the demo it's really more along the lines of craftopia/rust/ark/valheim than genshin, and yeah that's definitely possible to be done on a small budget, look at all of them clogging the steam early access page.

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TOP KEK, looking back at past banter is nostalgic as fuck.
Now think about it, how HUGE things are today when the stakes are at the 50k instead of 20k

>> No.13462435

>>13462298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdOzGOkaK8M
Topic channel

Had to include those mostly because of Mori shills. She still didn't reach Suisei.

>> No.13462490

>>13462430

>Flare Dark Souls

where are the perms again............. i miss luna playing it too....

>> No.13462515

>>13462430
Oh how the turn tables

>> No.13462565

>>13462435
ohhh I thought I missed one for a moment there.

>> No.13462570

>>13462430
the top 1 there wouldn't make top 10 today

>> No.13462631
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>>13462430
kek, ten thousand years ago
> Nijisanji solo Minecraft beating a full Gen 3 collab feat. Matsuri

>> No.13462682

>>13462631
>>13462430
As you can see, slow and steady won in the end.

>> No.13462686
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I wonder if vtuber channels will get this feature. Should be a neat thing for Zatsudans

>> No.13462690

>>13462631
That was less than 2 years ago. The seeds of Hololive's rise were already planted. Did anyone realize it back then?

>> No.13462703 [SPOILER] 

>>13462364
So, there are a few things that likely jacked up the price for GI
-Music
-Voice acting (from well known VAs)
-Advertising
-Visual assets
Of these, Cover can save on the first three due to well, having a roster of chubbas that can do the first 3. Yes of course you compensate them but the fact that they're already on payroll means you get to cut on costs. (GI music is damn good, but hiring a full team of musicians isn't cheap, especially if you want good ones)
It's not impossible to get a good product over 3 years of they invest a few mil over that period of time.
So, I won't say it's impossible, but it's going to be a hard road ahead.

>> No.13462705

>>13462631
Damn, Anycolor is really an incompetent company.

>> No.13462731
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I got nothing when searching for anykara's brand logo and found the #numbers thread logo in images instead kek. Was it wrong of them to change their brand?

>> No.13462761

>>13462631
feels weird seeing nijifemales on the chart

>> No.13462774

>>13462703
GI put out a SHIT TON of ads. Reminds me of drug companies spend most of the budget on advertising the drug than R&D.

>> No.13462788
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>>13462690
>The seeds of Hololive's rise were already planted. Did anyone realize it back then?
They were starting to realize, specially with the demise of upd8 (and the upcoming demise of .LIVE)

The meme back then was the dethrone "the four heavenly kings", Nijisanji succeeding at it would be their most definitive coronation

>> No.13462837

>>13462631
Oh, one of the legendary Gen 3 Host Club streams.
Other than that and the Gibara weird noises RFA none of the others are memorable streams.
2 Coco and 2 Aqua streams though.

>> No.13462889

>>13462703
>>13462774
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking off too. GI spent way too much on ads and paying streamers to play their game for months which resulted to their success today on top of being money boosted by a chunk fanbase. I was wondering if their $100M included marketing campaigns. Cover's game doesn't need flashy VAs or huge marketing campaigns. All they need is competent Devs for their game, and they already got connections from Square Enix and various game industry leaders in Japan except for Konami kek.

>> No.13462916

>>13462731
You gotta search for ANYCOLOR, anykara is a bastardized spelling that's clearly not gonna show up due to the disconnect between JP pronunciation and the English spelling.

>> No.13462923
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>>13462788

>> No.13462940

>>13462889
Konami hasn’t given much of a shit about their games in ages. Pachinko and YGO are the only things they really care about.

>> No.13462982

>>13462631
and solo aqua killing a bunch of nijis on her own

>> No.13462991

>>13462788
I think it was Sony's curse. Their investment in April led to Anykara's fall. No one expected the vairus to boost the algo up for vtubers after April alongside various dramas that made them get so big that it eclipsed Nijjsanji's slow and steadiness.

>> No.13463037

>>13462916
Oh fuck I forgot. I'm used to Anykara here that I forgot their real name was anycolor.

>> No.13463052

>>13462788
>Nijisanji succeeding at it would be their most definitive coronation
Where people not following numbers back then?
Nijisanji had dethroned them for over 1 year already for anything other than the overhyped subscriber count.
Guess by the time people realized, Hololive was on it's way to the top already.

>> No.13463096

>>13463037
anykara - Ichikara
anycolor - Firstcolor
close enough

>> No.13463098
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Here is Hololive getting BTFO by Nijisanji ARK streams.
>Lulu... ;-(

>> No.13463148

>>13463052
>for anything other than the overhyped subscriber count.
That's the thing, the one cap they still didn't have in their hat

Fubuki passing 700k and beating Siro a couple of months down the line was one of the signs of the impending and unavoidable ascension by Hololive

>> No.13463218

>>13463098
The recline for Nijisanji is pretty crazy.
Jesus what happened to them.
It’s not just that Hololive inclined like crazy, the opposite happened for Nijisanji.

>> No.13463352

>>13463098
While you're at it with archive reps, try finding Hololive win posts as they slowly get to August 2020. Hololive had gotten their breakthrough at around march to April. After that, it's 10-40k numbers. September to December was the peak for Hololive dominance and cemented their grounds as the top glob vtuber company.

>> No.13463401

>>13462774
Lol they quite literally bought Tectone out of Arknight to shill Genshin. I was in AK fandom back then and they absolutely despise the dude for turning his back against his viewer for money

>> No.13463503

>>13463401
Same, tectone at the time had some crazy algo recommends for AK then Genshin. I can't help but play the game and quit after seeing the gacha rates.

>> No.13463511

>>13463098
It's kinda funny seeing nijifags come here and say they never numberfag

>> No.13463570

>>13463503
I always hated that baby’s first intro to gacha games (GI) is quite possibly one of the worst in terms of the actual gacha (FGO pretty close by).

>> No.13463588

>>13463511
it's even funnier when they play victim

>> No.13463749

>>13463570
Honestly, I hope Cover doesn't implement hard gacha rates like FGO and Genshin. I quit just because I realized I had to do long hours of work in Genshin to get like 5% of gems for pulls. The same goes for FGO. Arknights is way more lenient since I got almost the SSRs going for F2P and playing once a week. Cover should go for their model, and have users get all the characters easily instead of the grind.

>> No.13463781
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>>13463218
In retrospect, a great number of things
Expanding too fast meant spreading out the audience instead of growing at a healthy rate.
Stopping expansion right when their competitors passed them to focus on single event 3D debuts didn't boost any of the active livers by itself.
A general lax attitude towards brand promotion on the side of management basically left it in the hands of the livers, who organized tournaments and events themselves. Staff just helping to fulfill those events instead of having a unified vision.
Complete short sightedness when it comes to foreign expansion. Though they handled the China situation really well at least.
Several small profile scandals in early-mid 2020 that just compounded and hit a peak with the Meiro firing.
Nijisanji, especially the top female side never recovered and way too many ended up leaving.

>> No.13463854

>>13462364
It's gonna be Gmod and you all will like it

>> No.13463904

>>13463781
Meiro, Roa, Lulu, Gibara all left. Trying to think what the equivalent for HL would be but that by itself is a pretty big hit.

>> No.13463947

>>13462682
Only if you're actually slowly and steadily inclining though, not if you're going slow and steady into hell

>> No.13463962

>>13463904
>Trying to think what the equivalent for HL would be
Here is an attempt:
>Haachama, Matsuri, Aqua and Mel

>> No.13463974

>>13463781

Lize being basically the only one from the girls who keep being consistent enough to pull out big numbers makes me wonder what will happen if she leaves as well

>> No.13463997

>>13463781
Honestly, the gap between HololiveJP and NijiJP wouldn't be as big without Gen 3. If you take out Gen 3, then Holo would still have better averages than Niji but the quantity/quality argument would actually make sense instead of the shitpost it is right now. Gen 3 is just a massive force on it's own.

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>>13463749
For me, Idolmaster Starlight Stage was the best model to go when it comes to the balance between whales and F2P players... until they went full retard by releasing overpowered limited card banners twice per month. but for me, the worst "full retard" i've ever seen on a gacha game was Love Live All Stars. it was the only game that actually lowered the pull rates of good cards that becomes obsolete anyway 15 days later after releasing a more broken card, then makes farming harder for F2P's by nerfing the gem rewards on events.

>> No.13464014

>>13463781
>Several small profile scandals in early-mid 2020 that just compounded and hit a peak with the Meiro firing.
I still find it funny that hololive got hit with several massive scandals one after the other, any one of which would've destroyed a lesser company but they only came out of it stronger, whereas nijisanji got hit by a bunch of nothingburgers by comparison and that practically killed their growth

>> No.13464062

>>13464014
I still can't tell if dodgeball is shitposting and if it actually had any impact when Cover somehow weathered the Taiwan yab and Coco's graduation. Pretty funny to see Kanata and Kson share literally the same pictures of the same onsen trip and have the fans go crazy for it.

>> No.13464065

>>13463904
Now that I think about it, they didnt lose any relevant male yet, wonder if the same will happen if some of them end up graduating

>> No.13464097

>>13463997
Sasuga golden gen

>> No.13464119

>>13463148
Pretty much. They had dominated every possible metric back then except Subcount and maybe SC's but this was before the full rise of stupidly high fuck you money SC's. A lot of people in Nipland and /vyt/ knew they were the top dog but until they could unseat at least one of the 4 heavenly kings in Subcount they couldn't be officially crowned yet even if only for fomalities sake. The fact that Hololive were the ones who not only beat them to it, but also supplanted Oyabun herself made them the official King of chuubas. Not to mention they overwhelm Nijisanji at almost every measureable metric hence Anykara can't really parade themselves as number 1 like they used to.

>> No.13464130

>>13458601
Another tale of massacre, nijisanji completely floored

>> No.13464161

>>13464065
It's their year. It'd be stupid to leave now. Fuwa is inclining hard just because he streams daily with buff games. Kaida, Akina and Ibrahim following behind with Leos. Axia and Lauren seems dead without their apex buff.

>> No.13464170

>>13464007
The meta matters a lot less in Deresute though. I would bet the vast majority of the player base doesn't really care about high scores.

>> No.13464240

>>13463974
True true,
I completely omitted the Niji JP fans biggest complaint through 2020.

>None of the popular livers is streaming

Because JK Gumi, Roa, Toya, Elu, Gibara, etc were overworked with promotion and idol stuff.
Even the always streaming Lulu had to take 1 month break in late 2020 for concert preparations.

Nijisanji was very top heavy, their most marketable members getting all the gigs.
This allowed Nijimales to have more spotlight at least as Chronoir kept on streaming consistently.

The problem is that all these problems were in 2020 and clear as daylight by the end of year... yet Nijisanji is on the decline again in 2021.

>> No.13464350

I've wanted to ask this before, but who's Sorahoshi Kirame from Nijisanji? I thought she was vspo at first, but she was a niji. Did she really debut one in July before Selejo came to be?

>> No.13464407

>>13464240
Other than Aqua, it impresses me that the Holos can consistently stream while doing all their promos and concerts.
Mandatory week long breaks seem to be becoming a theme now though with the talents becoming stressed.

>> No.13464421

>>13464240
Idol gigs and concerts are a surefire way of becoming irrelevant.
Vtubers live and die by their online presence, and thhat is done through streams and content, not random concerts that only afew will watch. Hololive realized the idol meme was dangerous with Aqua, who went from the undisputable top holo to just a midtier on a good day

>> No.13464424

>>13464062
Dodgeball isn't shitposting, but they shouldn't have had much impact beyond the couple of weeks when it was relevant. It could be linked to nijisanji's growth slowing down but there's no way for us to tell for sure, for all we know it's because the stars happened to align just the right way in feburary and transfered divine favour from Nijisanji over to Hololive.

>> No.13464482

>>13464119
>knew they were the top dog but until they could unseat at least one of the 4 heavenly kings in Subcount they couldn't be officially crowned
Didn't Hajime got massive flak for saying out loud EXACTLY THIS, which what was implied and assumed to be true?

I assume it was the primordial THIS DOES NOT SLIP

>> No.13464519
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>>13464350
>Kirame...
She's basically a milder, but slightly angrier Kanata... like straight up, same voice, same designer, surprisingly many similar childhood stories, both had very bizarre choice of songs for their debut, choir of rubber chickens for Kirame.
She sits sub 1k CCV now, but was on Kuzuha's team for the Splatoon tournament and got a bit of boost for now.
Also, since Meiro left, she's honorary Selejo and collabs frequently with them.

>> No.13464525

>>13464240
I mean, this year hasn't exactly been smoothing sailing either.
>Lulu graduating
>Gibara graduating
>Sukoya, who was starting to rise in popularity, going on a 1 year hiatus
>APEX dying
>Roa still MIA
>Niji IN disbanded
>Bora about to graduate which would make NijiKr even more irrelevent
But yeah, compared to the storm that Cover had to weather from 2020 up to Coco's graduation, that shit looks piss easy.

>> No.13464551

>>13464240
>This allowed Nijimales to have more spotlight at least as Chronoir kept on streaming consistently.
I'll make a BOLD assumption here and ask
>Isn't exactly this what is happening to Kuzuha right now?

His claim to fame in the summer at least was to stream non stop in front of a big audience. Right now (and I don't really want to run the numbers) he seems a little lacking, and it coincides with his signing for an album with some label

>> No.13464567

>>13464421
Anon, Aqua's viewership hasn't changed much from back in the day, what changed is that Hololive's top became much higher. You can scroll up to check yourself.

>> No.13464621

>>13464482
Yep the original THIS DOES NOT SLIP. Nijisanji truly is cursed

>> No.13464640

>>13464525
You forgot to mention that their #2 girl in KR (Yuya) also graduated

>> No.13464668

>>13464421
>>13464567
Also, as a counterpoint, Suisei lives off of her idol stuff. If she announced tomorrow that she's going to stop making songs in favor of aiming to go pro-tetris she'd lose 90% of her fans.

>> No.13464678

>>13464551
Cover has many talents take time for off stream projects (Suisei, Aqua) or just because (Ayame) but they have cultivated new talents to fill the streaming hours and keep the ecosystem alive and fuel the clipper cycle. Niji can't afford to have their top dogs step back. In the last year they haven't cultivated anyone who can fill their shoes

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>>13463997
>Honestly, the gap between HololiveJP and NijiJP wouldn't be as big without Gen 3.
Unless you are only talking about non quantifiable measurements like "talent" (which you imply a couple of sentences ahead) that is patently not true.

Here is the laziest chart I done the past few weeks (too blitzed to be arsed to do better) but it's essentially
>last 30 day rolling median, JP vs. JP minus Gen3
Without Gen 3, HoloJP loses 1k, 1.5k in their median (which is brutal) but NijiJP median right now is under 3k and HoloJP minus Gen3 would still be over 8k.

It's not even in the same magnitude

>> No.13464729

>>13464668
Suisei was a literal who even after joining Hololive, nobody listened to her songs or gave a shit about her until she started streaming more than once every 2 weeks

>> No.13464807

>>13464729
So similar to Azki then. Streams like once or twice a month so people forget her.

>> No.13464835

>>13464729
Her incline was with new costume into holofes 1 into 3D debut
No generation to boost her, no genmates to really support her, she just put herself out there and the people followed her instead of fans being funneled into her

>> No.13464929

>>13464720
By Quantity/Quality, I meant (completely spitballed numbers here) having 50 streams with an average of 2k each (Niji Paradigm) vs 10 streams with 10k each. (Holo Paradigm). Gen 3's, or more accurately Pekora and Marine's, numbers are just so damn high that no army of Nijis can match them.

>> No.13465175

Polka having a bit of incline because she is against Cynthia now. Man, i can't wait to see how high the numbers Peko will get be when she gets close to the Elite Four and then the last battle. It will be crazy

>> No.13465176
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>>13464835
One pivotal moment for Suisei was that concert (in the middle of the chinkout hurricane)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNmmnB4bP0M

when she sang with Sora and then AZKi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awHsi05P2js (one of the most awesome performances by Suisei to this day)

That helped a lot, among other things, to slay the rrats about Suisei hating on AZKi.
That one is still, to this day IIRC, the most viewed stream by Suisei with 96k views.
It was also one of the first 3D solo lives with guests (to my memory) and everybody got really surprised with Kanata and specially Towa low voice singing.

That was the point when Suisei ceased to be the "funny psycho meme tetris genius" and became the FULL BLOW STAR she is now.

>> No.13465203

>>13464729
>>13464835
She went from 40k subs to 1.2M, a successful album, and sololive concert in 2 years after joining Hololive. How much faster do you want her to develop?

>> No.13465294
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>CHECK EN PRIMETIME RESERVATIONS
Ina, Baelz, Calli and IRyS.

EN will hinder their own growth if their heavy hitters keep their current pace. These four showing up are carrying the branch

>> No.13465306

>>13465176
Essentially any holos who had big events happen in the two months following EN's debut and Coco's return experienced a major boost because that's when everyone who was interested in vtubers had their eyes on hololive. Miko, Suisei, Haachama, Pekora, etc etc.
Conversely those who were absent or otherwise weren't able to stream took a major hit, or more accurately stagnated. Mel, Korone and Aqua being the major ones I can name off the top of my head.

>> No.13465373

>>13465294
Gura and Kronii will smash on stream in five hours.

>> No.13465419

>>13465294
gura is confirmed to her usual time, smash with kronii. They seem to be all avoiding that slot, a good move.

>> No.13465467

>>13465294
Cali should probably be considered the second string in HoloEN at this point, even if I find her extremly boring to watch I have to respect that she has upped her effort this last month. Putting in the hours and finding what works for her in regards to streaming. Except from Gura I don't know what heavy hitter you thiink HoloEn has?

>> No.13465578

>>13465294
It’s frustrating how the so called prime time is in the middle of the night.

>> No.13465584

>>13465467
It was funny this happened after the TT interview where they kept telling her to work less.
I think Bae has good potential but she would need to fill the leadership role that council needs.

>> No.13465625
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>>13465203
His point was that Suisei was the bottom Holo for six or whatever months until she became a real Holo. That said, I'm pretty sure she streamed consistently during her time at INNK. The managerial neglect that caused that might have been a blessing in disguise in that respect.

Suisei is probably one of the clearest cut examples of the power of platform and a brand. You can see the free viewers when she joined INNK in May 2019, then in August a bump from being allowed to show off at a Holo Project Winter collab, then in November Mario Kart Tournament plus joining Hololive, then Holofes 1 in December and that karaoke collab in early January. But the real deal is her 3D debut in March, that was when all Hololive viewers were funneled to her channel. I kind of wonder if going up against Nijifes might have actually helped people check out what Hololive was doing at the same time, Toko (unsurprisingly) and Touya (a bit more surprisingly) were also tweeting about her instead of watching Nijifes.

Of course, all the eyes brought in by the platform would have been for naught had she not the ability to keep the viewers with streams.

>> No.13465637

>>13465467
>Cali should probably be considered the second string in HoloEN at this point
Anon, she has the third highest median this month on EN, trailing only Gura and Ina (last I checked, she may have inclined), all three above 10k

>> No.13465648

>>13465584
i agree, she should try hosting some collabs and small events/tournaments like kiara does. For all EN, not just council.

>> No.13465697

>>13465578
Sucks to be an euro

>> No.13465753

>>13465625
By any chance do you have the Nijisanji one anon?
Been looking everywhere for it and situations keep coming up when we could need it.

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>>13465625
Also, do note the number discrepancy between her Youtube and Showroom streams (fourth from the bottom) and ponder about her thoguhts about quitting.

And to add to my last point, looking at this graph, it seems that most people decided to subscribe in April 2020 only after watching a month of streams.

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Fauna's Pokemon VOD view is losing to fucking Sana, even with 8 hours advantage. What in the actual fuck.

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>>13465753
Yeah, wish someone would post/make an updated one though.

>> No.13465842

>>13465811
Sana streamed for twice as long, go figure

>> No.13465844

>>13465768
April was her 3D debut and live too.
back in the day, people weren't subbed to every channel, so events could bring 10k new subs in just 1 hour and a lot more over the coming week.

>> No.13465904

>>13465826
Much thanks and yes, both need an update.
Though, it will be sad seeing 1 orange spot in Mito's perfect red series for Oct 2021.

>> No.13466101
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>>13465904
>1 orange spot in Mito's perfect red series for Oct 2021.
If that does sound the “full mobilization” alarm on Niji brass I don’t know what would.

Well; that and Kuzuha failing to beat 20k for the third consecutive stream, this time failing to beat 15k in a 3 hours long stream.

>> No.13466134

OH NO HOLOBROS VSHOJO IS COMING FOR US

>> No.13466175

>>13466134
Forgot pic?

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>>13465844
No they were both in March, the 3D debut on the 1st (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZnG1t34wCs) and the live on the 21st. Pic related shows that she got a boost already by her 3D debut.

>>13465904
True, Mito's October breaks my numberfag heart. The Pride of the vtubing world...

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>>13466134
I think we'll stick with comparing Holo and Nijisanji instead, thanks.

Also, the KR chuubas on Twitch seem to be having some sort of soccer tournament.

>> No.13466326

>>13466233
>bilibili
Oh man...

>> No.13466369

>>13466285

Kanae on Twitch? Lol

>> No.13466473

>>13466233
Ah, ok. For some reason i remembered her debut being April instead of March
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZnG1t34wCs
Her Bday live, with the Anemachi duet still being privated
https://playboard.co/en/video/n6QlQN_jl-4

>> No.13466520

>>13466233
>>13466326
That 100k live viewers is fucking cope, bilibili numbers are blackbox magic "hype numbers" where one viewer can represent 10-1000 depending on unknown factors like "how many messages he's sent in chat" and "how much money he's donated."

>> No.13466524

>>13466369
Yep, a lot of livers have Twitch accounts.
Kanae, Hal and Shizuka Rin stream the most there from what i've seen.

Kuzuha joined and he jumped to 7k and is getting one of those "hype trains" things.

>> No.13466526

>>13465625
Did Susei have really better CCV as an indie than the recently debuted Sonytubers? With DOY avatar and jank rigging?

>> No.13466586
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>>13465294
A NEW CHALLENGER HAS ARRIVED!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qESYeTMQ2w
Smash Bros Kronii x Gura!
i keep hearing a Kronii x Gura collab will be a huge hitter due to their respective popularities, so i'm interested at how will this turn out.

>> No.13466650

>>13466520
Didn't they completely obscured viewer numbers in favor of vague points and channel "popularity score"?

>> No.13466656

>>13466650
Yes, that is in fact what I was refering to

>> No.13466672

>>13465826
wtf is that drop to the second month for Fuwa/Tomoe/Gwelu holy shit. Natsume went from 10k first month to 3 digits kek.

>> No.13466674
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13466674

If this doesn't trigger a five alarm fire mobilization on NIjisanji brass they'll all burn very fast

>> No.13466705

>>13466674
So silverboy is turning into Niji's silver boy?

>> No.13466726

>>13466674

Kinda bizarre how Toya CCV falls of a cliff when he does collabs. His fanbase loves his zatsudan/viewer participation stuff to death but when he does something else they vanish.

>> No.13466731

>>13466520
Yeah, Bilibili is weird.
Wish i saved a picture.
Otome Oto is one of the top 5 vtubers there.
Her birthday live was simulcast on YT and bili.
https://playboard.co/en/video/lyPBN3dYbV0
less than 200 viewers on YT
550.000 live viewers on Bili during the "i want money" song

>> No.13466849

>>13466672
Yeah, the post debut buff in 2020 was rough.
Eden Gumi had a decent 2nd month this year and most still haven't dropped That much.

>> No.13466885

>>13466526
Yes, but the market was different at the time.

>> No.13467046
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13467046

>>13465826
This chart i think explains something i was wondering.
Recently found out Elu used to be the sweetheart of the Vtuber world. Other chuubas were creaming their pants from just getting noticed by her on Twitter, but her and Akabane's numbers fell off hard.

From the chart it looks like fans just moved on to Sasaki and Honhima, at the same time Elu, Kaede and Youko dropped.
Or where there any anons in the scene back then who can explain better?

>> No.13467185

>Ollie APEX collab with Selen confirmed
I have a theory this will scratch the "Holo-NijiEN" itch for the fandom without having an impact of either of their numbers.

I also assume Selen will reverse funnel Ollie APEX fans to her fanbase because she's clearly a better player and a better entertainer

>> No.13467196

>>13466586
counterpoint: gura says she sucks at the game, while kronii is an autist who even bought a new controller for it. it will not be fair competition, good numbers will depend how far is kronii willing to bully to shork

>> No.13467254
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13467254

>>13466586
Kronii does her reps. She'll win easily.

>> No.13467366

>>13467185
> It will not affect the numbers while affecting the numbers.
Why are selenfags like this?

>> No.13467394

>>13466674
Oh shit... So unbuffed Kuzuha can easily get mogged by any top 10 Holo. If APEX is truly dead and he can't find another buff game then it'll come down to He-Ayame with a fully charged rare stream and Lize to compete with the Holos and even then they'd barely be considered as high tier holos themselves.

>> No.13467441

>>13467185
indog collab fee is cheaper

>> No.13467458

>>13467185
Good, can't wait for her ccv to fall below 1k
so she can stop doing this stupid collab with these leech

>> No.13467460

>>13467394
Talk about a meteoric rise and subsequent crash.

>> No.13467494
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13467494

>>13466526
It was a different time. While Suisei missed the really big boom, she was still early enough to debut in an era where you were guaranteed to have some viewers on your debut ready to shill you in the two or three threads everybody on the scene read if you were interesting enough to shill. Taking a quick look at her debut stream, she had 20 commenters before the same people plus others started spamming こんばんは and I can't be arsed to keep track of who's new and who posted twice, so she was never a literal 2view. Suisei actually got quite a bit of hate for selling out to the corporations back when she joined INNK, so some people may have liked the jank.

>>13466520
Yeah, as noted in the filename, he was lectured in the replies.

>> No.13467682

>>13467185
watch as all nijiEN will start begging for collabs with HoloID now

>> No.13467694

List of streams over 40k peak CCV, November 2021.
The format is
>date :: peak :: channel :: title

Nijisanji (6x)
>2021-11-03 :: 48851 :: ChroNoiR :: 【告知配信】__________。【にじさんじ / くろのわ】
>2021-11-10 :: 55906 :: Nijisanji :: 【#葛葉BDライブ】Kuzuha Birthday Event 「Scarlet Invitation」
>2021-11-20 :: 95090 :: Nijisanji :: 【スプラトゥーン2】第3回にじさんじスプラトゥーン大会 <DAY1>【#にじスプラ大会】
>2021-11-21 :: 43445 :: Kuzuha :: 【 スプラ2 】 ギア上げてけ【 スプラ大会 】
>2021-11-21 :: 88214 :: Nijisanji :: 【スプラトゥーン2】第3回にじさんじスプラトゥーン大会 <DAY2>【#にじスプラ大会】
>2021-11-23 :: 54892 :: Maimoto :: 【ポケモンBDSP】完全ギャンブル!お前らからもらった卵でいくシャイニングパール! #1【にじさんじ/舞元啓介】

Hololive (26x)
>2021-11-02 :: 42570 :: Pekora :: 【Minecraft】大運動会、障害物競走の地獄コース作るYO!!!!!!!ぺこ!【ホロライブ/兎田ぺこら】
>2021-11-06 :: 43445 :: Miko :: 【 振り返り 】今年も最高のホロライブ大運動会でした!【ホロライブ/さくらみこ】
>2021-11-06 :: 46401 :: Pekora :: 【本番】赤組優勝いくぞおおおおおおおおおおお!!!ぺこ!【#ホロライブ大運動会2021 】
>2021-11-06 :: 81547 :: Miko :: 【 #ホロライブ大運動会2021 】ホロライブ集結‼秋のマイクラ運動会 - 主催者視点【Minecraft/さくらみこ】
>2021-11-07 :: 69693 :: Miko :: 【 凸待ち / Minecraft 】ホロライブ大運動会後夜祭【ホロライブ/さくらみこ】
>2021-11-08 :: 42461 :: Miko :: 【 邪神ころね 】ころにぇがつぐのひに!?やってみるにぇ・・・【ホロライブ/さくらみこ】
>2021-11-08 :: 50127 :: Aqua :: 【#湊あくあ重大発表】3DLIVE!!重大発表!!【湊あくあ/ホロライブ】
>2021-11-08 :: 57600 :: Pekora :: 【邪神ころね】ころ…サ…ね…先輩!!!!!!!ぺこ!【ホロライブ/兎田ぺこら】
>2021-11-09 :: 44011 :: Subaru :: 【#生スバル】邪神こおねってマジ?【ホロライブ/大空スバル】
>2021-11-10 :: 48723 :: Marine :: 【邪神ころね】これが戌神ころねちゃんの正体ですか… / つぐのひ【ホロライブ/宝鐘マリン】
>2021-11-11 :: 54984 :: Pekora :: 【FF14】ほぼはじめてのオンラインゲームデビュー!!!!!!!ぺこ!【ホロライブ/兎田ぺこら】※ネタバレあり
>2021-11-13 :: 46496 :: Suisei :: 【マリオパーティ スーパースターズ】昇格を懸けた仁義なき戦いが今始まる───【#不知火建設】
>2021-11-13 :: 80950 :: Rushia :: 【 #潤羽るしあ新衣装 】遂に・・お披露目です!!!Im BoingBoing【潤羽るしあ/ホロライブ】
>2021-11-14 :: 81776 :: Marine :: 【#シスターマリンの懺悔室】悔い改めて…【ホロライブ/宝鐘マリン・白上フブキ】
>2021-11-15 :: 83318 :: Lamy :: 【#雪花ラミィ生誕ライブ】ゲストいっぱい!誕生日LIVE【雪花ラミィ/ホロライブ】
>2021-11-18 :: 55543 :: Haachama :: 【#はあちゃま生誕祭2021】お誕生日3DLIVE【はあちゃま/ホロライブ】
>2021-11-18 :: 82551 :: Pekora :: 【#ぺこマリ1ブロック】1ブロックしかない世界で生き残る。ぺこ!【ホロライブ/兎田ぺこら】
>2021-11-19 :: 47511 :: Towa :: 【マリオパーティ スーパースターズ】どっかん大バトル!【#ぺこマリししトワ】
>2021-11-20 :: 51446 :: Marine :: 【Minecraft】ぺこらんどへ行こうぺこ!!!!!!!【ホロライブ/宝鐘マリン】
>2021-11-21 :: 83746 :: Pekora :: 【1stライブ直前】三期生が100の質問に答えてみる!!!ぺこ!【ホロライブ/兎田ぺこら】
>2021-11-23 :: 41793 :: Flare :: 【#3期生歌枠リレー】ライブ前だ!心を一つに!【不知火フレア/ホロライブ】
>2021-11-23 :: 43461 :: Pekora :: 【ポケモンBD】絶対に誰もひんしにさせない人生縛りぺこ!!【ホロライブ/兎田ぺこら】
>2021-11-23 :: 44068 :: Noel :: 【#3期生歌枠リレー】最高の3日間ッ!!!誕生日!ライブ!【白銀ノエル/ホロライブ】
>2021-11-23 :: 51656 :: Rushia :: 【 #3期生歌枠リレー 】ライブ前にうたおおおおおお!!【潤羽るしあ/ホロライブ】
>2021-11-23 :: 56131 :: Marine :: 【#3期生歌枠リレー】ライブ前の絆の30分歌リレー【ホロライブ/宝鐘マリン】
>2021-11-23 :: 57746 :: Pekora :: 【#3期生歌枠リレー】ライブ直前にみんなで30分歌枠リレー!!!ぺこ!【ホロライブ/兎田ぺこら】

>> No.13467695

>>13467682
Millie is first in line after Selen.

>> No.13467858

>>13467694
Peko+Marine counts for almost half of these, but even without them Holo more than doubles Nijis

>> No.13467937

>>13467694
This month is actually getting sad.
Was Nijisanji's momentum that heavily based on Apex bringing in numbers?
We knew they'd drop after summer was over, but this hard?

>> No.13467938

>>13467494
>Suisei actually got quite a bit of hate for selling out to the corporations back when she joined INNK, so some people may have liked the jank.
Were you there?

>> No.13468019

>>13467695
>>13467682
I really hate Ollie for being a Untiy Tryhard.

Well as long as she keeps it to herself then all is fine.
But if she drags others into it then i hope she gets major hates so she won't dare even think about collabing with nijis again.

>> No.13468051

>>13467938
No, I've just done some archive reps. I've actually been meaning to dig deeper to see exactly how much hate she got, but ultimately never bothered.

>> No.13468081

>>13468019
She's been trying to drag Holos into collabing with Stars for a while.

>> No.13468095

>>13467185
>Selen confirmed
she said maybe, and if blabber mouth ollie hasnt even commented on it yet, she definitely does not have the green light at this moment.

>> No.13468220

>>13464525
I mean, a flurry of graduations seems more like the result of failing to handle bad stuff than a storm to handle

what'd they fumble?

>> No.13468305

>>13468051
What exact date or thread are you looking at? I want to do my own reps

>> No.13468350

>>13468081
Well compared to collabs with Outsiders, collabs with Homos isn't that Bad.
Mori, Baelz and Ame would be rrat free and safe.
Just don't drag someone like Gura or Kronii.

>>13468095
Well i hope HoloID Manager won't approve it. If Ollie rebels and graduates then so be it. She's a blight in Hololive.

>> No.13468386
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13468386

>>13468019
Get used to it, all of ID are basically together, regardless of company, and they consider the other branches that way too.
It's from personal preference that some of them don't end up collabing with more people.

>> No.13468486

>>13468305
That's the thing. I've encountered cometomos reminiscing about it here and there, but I've never really bothered to look up contemporary threads and or even to check if it was something that extended to her chat. But the timeframe would have been around whenever she announced her move to INNK and, I dunno, August-September 2019?

>> No.13468570

>>13468220
The only thing I can think of is the lack of talents serving as brand advocates inside the company itself. And even that's a flimsy guess since there were a couple of livers from Nijisanji who persuaded Meiro to rescind her graduation request before her menhera acted up again and fucked it all up. Maybe the whole Meiro-Roa debacle had more of an effect than we thought? Or maybe the livers themselves just don't really have as strong of a connection to the brand as Holos do theirs? Either way, that fat fuck Riku better figure something out because as late to the party as most companies are when it comes to recognizing trends, Hololive is starting to get recognized by the other brands now.

>> No.13468622

>>13468386
it is the poor mentality - now that you're rich, your poor friends want you to share it with all of them. And you quickly go back to being poor again.

>> No.13468703

>>13468019
Why is collabing with someone from Nijisanji so bad? JPs do it all the time. You're kinda acting like a JP nijinigger, they're obsessed with who is leaching off of who and trying to invent imaginary pecking orders that means isolating people they don't think are worthy of singing a song or collabing with someone. It feels very silly to hope in spite that adults pretending to be anime character fail for interacting.

>> No.13468840

>>13468703
NijiEN is a possible threat and it's not like me hating on the collab will cancel it lol.

>>13468386
HoloID is alright, i believe in rrat that they're the ones management use to show Hololive lets their talents collab with Outsiders.
HoloEN gets to isolate themselves from Potential rivals. I'm ok with Vshojo collabs tho, they're no threat since they use twitch mainly.

>> No.13468927

>>13468840
>NijiEN is a possible threat
And? Do you own stock in Cover? Hololive is pretty strong and it'd need several catastrophes to ever jeopardize their position in the west. Shouldn't they take the market if they provide people what they want?

>> No.13468964

>>13462703
They could take this a step further and crowdsource the shit out of the content phase of development. If there is one thing that Hololive has that most other producers don't is hordes of diehards willing to do it for free or cheap.

>> No.13469220

>>13468964
They wouldn't have hired an entire development team if they were planning to do this.

>> No.13469230

>>13468927
stop fighting with holoEnma, nijiEnma.
the >market doesnt ask for shit, its just the annoying beggars

>> No.13469721

https://youtu.be/GaM46Jp6jdg

>Same timeslot as Gura Kronii collab

Ame, why.....

>> No.13469762

>>13469721
At least she's streaming normally again.

>> No.13469867

>>13469220
Not saying that they want to do it, but that they can if they felt so inclined.

>> No.13469989

>>13469721
probably because of how late the rbc collab was

>> No.13470029

>>13468964
> crowdsource
>>13469867
> but that they can if they felt so inclined.
Copyright and intellectual property is a bitch. Unless they get every contributor to sign their rights off to Cover (and artists aren't really inclined to do that) they would be 30 milliseconds away from the whole project to get Holobassed.

>> No.13470424

>>13470029
Nah don't incorporate them into official materials. Incorporate creative tools so people can make assets that other use. An in game asset editor and a way to export and import templates etc would allow the fans to make all the content but keep it in game and avoid the rights issues.

>> No.13470451
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13470451

>>13467694
reminds me of April numbers

>> No.13470652
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13470652

Here is something interesting:
>Nijisanji streams per range (0-9999, 10k-19999, etc).
Number of 40k+ streams cratered, both in number and in proportion of streams.

Of course with Mado starting their measurement around Koshien this would be expected but even then, so far, they had fewer 40k+ streams since October that they had in September alone

>> No.13470701

>>13470652
is this just the recline of Apex?

>> No.13470836
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13470836

>>13470701
cicadas gone

2020

July:1
August:5
December:3

>20/07/26 105,636 Maimoto Baseball 2020 draft
>20/08/10 132,239 Kagami 3D debut
>20/08/15 140,514 Maimoto Baseball 2020 Game B
>20/08/14 152,771 Maimoto Baseball 2020 Game A
>20/08/16 191,449 Maimoto Baseball 2020 finals
>20/08/18 118,828 Debi 3D debut
>20/12/26 102,815 Nijisanji 3rd Mario kart tournament
>20/12/29 118,113 Mikoto Niji Music Festival
>20/12/31 127,803 Nijisanji NYE stream

2021

January:1
June:2
July:2
August:5

>21/01/10 107,260 Nijisanji NY Mahjong 2021 final
>21/06/04 143,270 Fuwa 3D debut
>21/06/30 184,653 Lulu Graduation stream
>21/07/02 117,475 Ibrahim 3D debut
>21/07/17 138,024 Nijisanji Baseball 2021 draft
>21/08/06 144,515 Kuzuha VCC apex tournament
>21/08/13 147,639 Nijisanji Baseball 2021 Game A
>21/08/14 170,896 Nijisanji Baseball 2021 Game B
>21/08/15 205,448 Nijisanji Baseball 2021 finals
>21/08/25 108,103 Nijisanji Baseball 2021 exhibition

>> No.13470885
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13470885

>>13470652
Here is the same for Hololive. It's not even in the same universe.

Both are for JP only, foreign branches are excluded

>> No.13470893

>>13461755
I don't see the point in joking around because you faggots cannot take jokes like the one in that screenshot.

>> No.13470927

>>13470893
I taste the most exquisite scent of seethe in your post anon. NIJISEETHE?

>> No.13470936

>>13470885
i mean, they're at least kind of close in the mid-upper clusters as far as raw numbers go

the teeming hordes of niji 2views bring down their percentages pretty harshly

>> No.13470983

>>13470885
s-sugoi~ the streams over 40k never drops under 10 per month

>> No.13470999

>>13466726
He-Gura...

>> No.13471080

>>13470927
Yeah, seething that no one can joke around in here.

>> No.13471110

>>13469721
I know you want to play pokemon off screen ame but at least consider streaming the elite four part please

>> No.13471379

>>13470936
The problem isn't JUST that they have 2 many 2views, it's that their midcard is severely lacking. Nijisanji as they are now are like the current Lakers. They have an aging Lebron (Kuzuha), AD (Touya) and a couple has-beens that think it's still 2013. The rest is trash but it shouldn't completely destroy your roster if your other starters were actually good.

>> No.13471525

>>13471379
Hololive is the Jordan era Bulls. A clear top dog, but the 2nd options can carry the team even in the playoffs. They also have role players who have very strong specific skills who can pop off and take over a game. Their bench would start in most of the league

>> No.13471555

>>13468703
>JPs do it all the time
People who bring this up obviously don't realize anything about the implications of this collab between EN branches. HoloJP and NijiJP are very much on equal ground in Japan. Nobody is going to benefit that much from a collab so they can just do them and have fun.

For EN on the other hand. HoloEN is lightyears ahead of NijiEN in viewership, exposure, fame, fortune, etc. If NijiEN is to properly be viewed as competition then giving them any kind of exposure at all is one of the most short sighted and dumb things you can do. HoloEN stands to gain nothing from a collab with NijiEN and NijiEN stands to gain everything. That is not an equivalent relationship which means that no collab should happen.

>> No.13471563
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13471563

>>13470936
>i mean, they're at least kind of close in the mid-upper clusters as far as raw numbers go
No they're not.

Here is a thought experiment, the same table but keeping only the Niji with their median over 5000, meaning the following 20 channels (plus the main)
>Nijisanji
>Kuzuha
>Kenmochi Toya
>Tsukino Mito
>Lize Helesta
>Kanae
>Ange Katrina
>Fuwa Minato
>Ibrahim
>Yashiro Kizuku
>Inui Toko
>Kagami Hayato
>Yuuki Chihiro
>Sasaki Saku
>Mayuzumi Kai
>Maimoto Keisuke
>Leos Vincent
>Ars Almal
>Lauren Iroas
>Ratna Petit
>Furen E Lustario

It may slightly improve the proportions (not significantly) but it robs them from the midtier and small tier than had their 3D debuts.

Even only counting the top 20 Nijis and the main channel they get absolutely dwarfed be it in raw or in percentage by Holos. That is one argument I would like to see put to bed once and for all.-

>> No.13471657

>>13471379
i don't want to think about my lakies here wtf

we'll gel and it'll get better by postseason

>> No.13471715
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13471715

>>13471563
For completeness sake, here is the same, but including only the ones not in that top 20+1 list

>> No.13471849

>>13471525
Nah. You're giving Pip and Horace too much cred. Hololive right now is 2017 GSW. Pekora and Marine is KD and Steph. And Subaru is Klay for sure.

>> No.13471947

>>13471715
Jesus it's even worse. Where did all the 40K's go? Were they one off 3d's/events for mid teirs?

>> No.13472041

is this true?
>>13466685
>>13466685
>>13466685

>> No.13472076
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13472076

>>13471715
And here is the same, but for Kuzuha alone. Last few streams were not a good sign

>> No.13472087
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13472087

>>13468703
>JPs do it all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb8Voo597zI
haha right...

>> No.13472095

>>13471947
Yep. It's why it's a bad sign that most of the upcoming 3Ds will be coming from the low tiers, which means that they're not guaranteed 40k's as we've seen from the most recent 3D debuts.

>> No.13472232

>>13472041
It's true, trust me and that anon on this
all you need to know is yagoo saikyou

>> No.13472366
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13472366

HOLY SHIT!
>Yagoo Risu collab in 2018
https://twitter.com/tanigox/status/1069140843255103499

TRIBALISTS BTFO!

>> No.13472444

>>13472366
Towa baby

>> No.13472473

>>13472366
fuck you towababy

>> No.13472519

>>13472444
>>13472473
? Context?

>> No.13472538

It's not a big deal. HoloJP has 30 members. NijiJP has about 100. A median of 3.8k doesn't look that bad, the average is 4.2k. By volume they end up close to the same even if HoloJP has a 40% edge on VODs.

>> No.13472549

>>13472444
>>13472473
Not Towababy for once

>>13472519
>he doesn't know

>> No.13472594

>>13472538
>It's not a big deal. HoloJP has 30 members. NijiJP has about 100.
CAN THE NIJICOPE LIST CURATOR ADD THIS ONE PLEASE?

Thank you!

>> No.13472670

>>13472549
Please. I want to know.

>> No.13472685
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13472685

Doing some Twitter archive reps, here is for you guys to numberfag

>number of Cover employees on Sora Debut: 4
>number of Cover employees on Sora first anniversary: 15
https://twitter.com/tanigox/status/1037833621405483008

I can only assume the first four would be
>Tanigo
>YuujinA
>Sora
>mystery meat

>> No.13472692

>>13472095
Valz has an opportunity to go above 40k

>> No.13472758
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13472758

>>13472670
HOLY SHIT, AYAME SAID WHAT?
https://twitter.com/nakiriayamestatus/1326355021093498880

>> No.13472969
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>>13472692

>> No.13473012

>>13471379
>>13471525
>>13471849
>Bulls
>GSW
You people are crazy. Hololive is for real the Dream Team of 1992. Even their midcard is basically All-Star NBA tier.

>> No.13473081

>>13458601
I thought Noel was counted for today? As in her stream started at 00:00 JST I believe

>> No.13473085

>>13472538
Holo having 5 people get 3000 CCV is the same as 50 Nijis getting 300 CCV
The main difference is that if one Holo decides to not stream, Holo will feel the loss of 3k viewers but Niji won't feel the 300 if they had the same situation

Niji strat is better in the long run since even the smallest livers can pick up the slack for talents who are on break or are busy with non streaming activities compared to Holo who is heavily affected numbers wise when at least ONE talent goes on break

>> No.13473219

>>13473085
Ehh.. That's more true for Niji.

If the top dogs of Niji decides to take a break, there numbers will suffer more than Holo will, because Hololive has a more even distribution, plus a fanbase that is willing to watch other talents.

See how Holo stills mogs Niji in October despite Marine taking a break.

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>>13473085
what

>> No.13473284

>>13473085
>slow and steady
T-trust the plan!!

Holo's strategy is box pushing. They have a higher tendency to retain their audience because most are connected more directly to the immediate colleagues plus their periphery.

>> No.13473310

>>13473085
Is this cope?

>> No.13473329

>>13473085
Ok, We can remove both Kuzuha and Pekora and then compare the numbers.

>> No.13473376

>>13473081
11:30PM JST

>> No.13473382

>>13473222
Hachaama Im gonna rape you

>> No.13473405

>>13473284
Slow and steady works.

It's just the anon not knowing that slow and steady has always been Hololive's plan, not Niji.

Niji's plan is to accelerate.

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>>13473085
OK, STOP! This is clearly a false flag

>> No.13473744 [DELETED] 

>>13472685
would sora herself not count as an employee?

>> No.13473748
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13473748

Kiara with the guerilla stream.
She ended up waking Bae up by messaging her on discord so it didn't get to 10k.

>> No.13473776

>>13473405
I know slow and steady works. It's how normal businesses operate. That's just a meme in the thread though.

>> No.13473917

>>13473748
Kiara, lrn2milk for fuck sake!

>> No.13474062

>>13473748
Jesus christ she's creatively bankrupt, literally copying the exact same format Bae came up with.
Not even getting good numbers.
Might as well be a niji

>> No.13474077

>>13469721
She moved it!

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>>13472685
I think A-chan was hired only after some time when the folks over at Cover realized she was graduating high school or college (wherever she was) and would no longer come around if she found some other job and they didn't have anyone who could possibly serve as a replacement by that point.

>> No.13474408

Bae going on break until 12/6

>> No.13474483

>>13474276
living the dream

>> No.13474589

>>13474408
RIP her lead over Fauna in subs I guess.

>> No.13474626

>>13474408
Council is really broken at this point.

>> No.13474674

>>13474626
Council is really lazy*

>> No.13474710

>>13472685
Either the CFO or CTO was the second employee.

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>>13471563
>Here is a thought experiment, the same table but keeping only the Niji with their median over 5000, meaning the following 20 channels (plus the main)
Here is another chart using the same group
>TOP 20 NIJI JP vs. Hololive JP

This select group actually was ahead of Hololive as a whole in August 2021 (when the strongest Nijisanji event met the lowest point for many chuubas, hooked on APEX) but in the following months their natural recline reestablished the regular order

The bottom line here is: it is not just the "dead weight" that is weighting down Nijisanji, the whole company is clearly laggnig their biggest competitor

>> No.13474847

>>13474408
AHAHAHAA BAELZ BREAK MUMEI BREAK WTF COUNCIL

>> No.13474952

>>13474814
Notice that this "top 20 + main" Nijisanji sample was chosen with a more explicit crtieria:
>livers with 5k or more median in the period

It would always lead to the obvious conclusion
>if you only leave the chuubas with a high median, their median will rise

>> No.13475063

>>13473405
I don't understand how "slow and steady" is identical with Nijisanji? Isn't their meme is accelerate and nijification?

>> No.13475119

>>13474674
I wanted to say it's curse of second generation but ID gen2 actually hardworking

>> No.13475164

>>13475063
It's the goto cope for some anon in this thread, along with the words of the CEO
>we don't want to forcefully acquire a fanbase
or something similar Riku said in an interview, taking a jab at Hololive viral growth
>we want to build a culture

Some anon came with this cope and it stuck as "slow and steady"

>> No.13475235

>>13475063
Riku was once asked in a serious interview about Hololive's meteoric rise and Nijisanji's future and he had to bullshit his way out of that. "Slow and steady" was what he came up with, saying Hololive's growth is not sustainable, but for obvious reasons that got picked up for shitposting.

>> No.13475253

>>13461528
who's gonna snipe that name

>> No.13475377

easy on the spreadsheet number boy
i am here to shitpost about numbers not to do math

>> No.13475391

>>13475164
Forcefully acquire fans? Wtf does that mean? Is he holding fans at gunpoint?

>> No.13475402

>>13474408
To be clearz her break starts at the end of her current scheduled streams, so break not yet. She's been streaming consistently for the most part so clearly this is something she needs to take off to get some stuff done.

>> No.13475411

>>13475164
The funny thing is that Hololive is better at building culture than Nijisanji

>> No.13475465

>>13475235
>had to bullshit his way out of that
If that's your logic, that's why he's the CEO of the No 1 Vtuber company in the world and you're at your mom's basement shitposting on 4chan

Slow and steady has always been the plan of Niji. Riku knows that global Nijisanjification wasn't going to happen overnight; Rome wasn't built in a day.

>> No.13475535

>>13475465
>CEO of the No 1 Vtuber company in the world
Not anymore, anyone have that picture?

>> No.13475548

>>13475465
nice bait

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>>13475465
Stop falseflagging plz. It's too realistic, it could be Riku himself in this very thread defending himself

>> No.13475599

>>13473748
Kiara doing same thing as her oshi pekora, stealing ideas from other holos. except kiara doesn't have the talent to pull it off

>> No.13475661

>>13461608
>>13461656
do you forget how Cover sent their lawyers over at Kaoru after he tried to keep using his character name for a real life event he was participating, after leaving hololive? Thats not something theyll let you mess around with

>> No.13475685

>>13468570
When it comes to the yabs, its the type which is important not how big.Except for Mel, hololive yabs were external. China, Youtube, game permissions, janitors, antis were recognized as an external threat and the holos and their fandoms grew closer to protect each other. Nijisanji yabs tended to be internal. Chuuba vs chuuba or chuuba vs company, which splintered the fanbase. Sure, holos had spats with Cover but the fandom defaulted to the holo; nobody shat on a holo to simp for Cover. Festival’s public spats with other holos should have been more damaging but her menhera attacks are so well known that Matsurisus don’t go on a warpath and just apologize on her behalf.

>> No.13475718

>>13475391
Not paying for a lot of ads is cheating the system. Thus that's forcefully acquiring fans.

>> No.13475799

>>13475391
His bullshit reasoning it that, because of Hololive opening to the west, the home market could decrease if they're not pandered, while the west could also reject them sooner if not pandered. In some way, it was right in the west side, because the novelty kinda wore off but Hololive have such a grab in the market, it could also lead to another wave in popularity with one event or collaboration with others company.
Just take it as the CEO coping on Hololive sucess on just 2 years with little to none help while also having to say something to calm the investors.

>> No.13475806

>>13475661
never heard of that

>> No.13475860

>>13475806
UNDERGROUND
BEYBLADE
TOURNAMENTS

>> No.13475961

>>13475860
Right, I forgot about the Bayblade tournament pormoting Kaoru and Cover sending an official notice to stop doing that kind of shit.
Good times Kaoru gave us after he left.

>> No.13475968

>>13475411
Hey, Nijisanji was good at building a culture where fans don't give a fuck about the rest of the company other than the streamers they watch. I'd at least give him that.

>> No.13476137

>>13475860
Japan is wild.

At least it wasn't the Detroit paintball gang wars.

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>>13474408
>>13474674
2020 numbers Sept 12-13 to December 31

>Ame 372
>Kiara 338
>Ina 219
>Gura 206
>Mori 182

total: 1,317

source: pic

2021 numbers August 22 to November 20

>Bae 161
>Fauna 137
>Kronii 134
>Sana 127
>Mumei 115

total: 674

source:
https://twitter.com/Holo_Data/status/1454996306988961794
https://twitter.com/Holo_Data/status/1462226491240902656

I'm seething right now

>> No.13476256

>>13475968
I don’t watch enough Niji to know but Myth for sure has every tight bonds within their gen. I’d say everyone from Gen3/Gamers on has a strong gen identity and bond. There’s also pretty strong branch culture and company wide culture. Does niji hvw anything comparable? What’s the general sense over there? Would JP branch mega boosting Mel happen? Something like Holotalk? Impromptu Pekora/Sana/Bae collab? I honestly have no idea of what Niji culture is like.

>> No.13476272

>>13475799
I'm guessing that was also his "reasoning" for not going after the west sooner.
I would at least be demanding to know why they didn't tap the western market first looking at how successful hololive is and how far ahead Nijisanji was at the time. Instead they went into India.
>>13476194
I forgot how much of a streaming monster Ame used to be.

>> No.13476316

>>13476256
Niji has Chronoir.

>> No.13476321

>>13476256
Niji culture is "survival of the fittest". You get no help from the company or your fellow "livers". Fend for youself, sink or swim.

>> No.13476336

>>13476194
Lol. Makes and Ame had more than all of council put together. Jesus. Somewhere there’s an analyst losing their shit Council is wasting their debut buffs

>> No.13476396

>>13476194
>one time period is bigger than the other

>> No.13476419

>>13476194
I guess it will take some time till they get used to stream more hours, was Bae the only streamer before joining hololive?

>> No.13476440

>>13475465
>Slow and steady has always been the plan of Niji
Why did they debut chuubas so fast then?

>> No.13476481

>>13476316
Isn’t that just Kuzeha and Kanae? So basically like a Kanacoco or Gurame? That’s nice but that’s not much to build a company wide culture on

>> No.13476493

>>13475465
Kek, Niji flooded the market in hopes that it will overwhelm the competition and take away potential recruits away from other companies.

>> No.13476507

>>13476194
I mean, personally I'd prefer to go with # of streams as a comparison due to circumstances not being quite the same (being completely new with no one sharing time slots vs being the 2nd gen meant to fill gaps)
*Mumei isn't able to do longer streams due to school
*Sana just straight up missing a month, partly at the urging of management to take as long as she needed and not come back until she was at 100%
*Kronii mix of assorted roommate reasons from what I've read between grieving and finishing VA obligations
Also the number of days not a really fair comparison looking at it no?

>> No.13476547

>>13476493
They're trying the same thing with NijiEN and it hasn't really helped.

>> No.13476583

>>13476481
hololive has no gaybait pairing of the caliber of Chronoir

>> No.13476605

>>13475465
They're only going slow and steady now because Hololive showed that it's the superior strategy.

Before that, they were all in on "accelerate".

>> No.13476635

>>13476272
Going to India, on paper at least, was a good idea at the same level of going to China.
>Big public with little to none Vtubers so they can be the first to call dips as the big group
>Money flow could be good, even if they just have 0.001% of the population.
>Easy to create more income with merch because of how low the job rates are
>Close to Japan, so more easy to control
The thing is, if you just try without giving something to appeal the public, you will get ruined. Happened with India, will happen when China gets too greedy.

>> No.13476662

Any notable NijiEN numbers?

>> No.13476664

shrokronii smash 12k waiting

>> No.13476708

>>13476493
>take away potential recruits
Then they clearly didn't understand the vtubing industry or what vtubing fans want. Which is weird considering their prestige in the industry. Look at Pekora and Miko. Those two sit at the very top of the entire vtubing space but they aren't particularly good at anything, lol. They are just pleasant people who are entertaining to watch and listen too. Gura would fit this mold too but she does have her singing. Bad strategy by Nijisanji.

Having a clear goal and direction for what you want your vtubing agency to represent and be is much more important then getting all the hot free agent talent.

>> No.13476770

>>13476256
I mean Niji does have that too. And in some instances I'll even say that their friendships feel more "natural". The thing is that the yabs that the Holos went through made the bonds between the talents and even the fans stronger like that one anon said. How many times during the chink out did the Holos show solidarity with one another? Nijisanji feels like a group of highschool friends who mess around and enjoy each other's company for the most part. Holos feel like a final fantasy party that went through the hardest part of the story and are pretty much overflowing with the power of friendship plot armor.

>> No.13476788

>>13476708
>Then they clearly didn't understand the vtubing industry or what vtubing fans want.

Clearly. That's why they went for the "shotgun approach and see what sticks" recruiting strategy.

>> No.13476814

>>13476440
>>13476547
In theory you could debut endless waves of vtubers as long as they all grew steadily it’s fine. But that doesn’t seem to be happening. Bini EN is just sharing an audience not growing one. Myth took a bit of a hit when Council debuted but their overall views and hours watched have grown significantly.

>> No.13476820

>>13476583
Anon, women are excessively touchy-feely even in real life, so gaybait around them is socially acceptable (if not outright fetishized), so people will notice it less. For men, blatant shit like that will kill your male following (if they're not gay, and you may as well just be a woman if you wanna be gay), so you need to create a dedicated space for it and do hard pander there.

>> No.13476850

>>13475164
>we don't want to forcefully acquire a fanbase
Full of tournaments

>> No.13476858

>>13476194
IRyS is the only good pick this year but fucking omegatranny debuff her.

mid-July to November 20: 311 hours so far
actual inclining
monthly median
>August 8,175
>September 8,424
>October 9,199
>November 10,491

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>>13476858
>IRyS is the only good pick this year

>> No.13477029

>>13476770
The greatest irony is the Chinks gave Holofans a genuine common enemy to strengthen their bonds. I remember Suisei deputizing 1 year members to smash bugs in chat and everyone was basically cheering from the sidelines. Nothing makes you overlook internal drama in your family/team/country like an outsider shittalking your side.

>> No.13477033

Let's step away from big boy numbers a bit.

When do you think it's time to debut a new Holostars gen? What niche do you think they should recruit for?

Inb4 Don't waste resources on a failed project.

>> No.13477069

>>13476992
Mumei has somehow streamed less than Sana that took almost an entire month break.

>> No.13477076

>>13476770
Nijisanji feels like a good working place. Hololive feels like a good home

>> No.13477132

>>13476788
But they didn’t. Or rather they are shooting loads of fairly consistent buckshot. Hololive is firing blunderbusses full of weird ass stuff at the wall. Mori alone sounds terrible on paper. Kiara too really. But it’s worked out for the most part

>> No.13477137

>>13477069
*Less hours
She does an okay number of streams, but expecting someone who's working on their PHD(apparently) to stream the same number of hours as others is well, a bit much no?

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Today's superchats

>> No.13477182

>>13477069
quality over quantity. A bunch of 2views can stream 12 hours a day, but they still keep getting 2 views because they have no charisma

>> No.13477187

>>13476321
Competition breeds innovation
Look at Maimoto and Yashiro - they went from 2views to carrying the whole of Nijisanji on their backs.

>> No.13477202

>>13477033
they wont, read it somewhere in this board the boys asking Yagoo himself to not add another competition between themselves considering their number is so bad compared to their woman counterpart

>> No.13477244

>>13477187
..and then back to 2views

>> No.13477300

>>13477137
>*Less hours
Yes? What the fuck do you think that streaming less is?

>She does an okay number of streams, but expecting someone who's working on their PHD(apparently) to stream the same number of hours as others is well, a bit much no?

Irrelevant, still streamed the least. Also irrelevant, she was streaming the same or less than Mori when she was doing 2 jobs.

>> No.13477320

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qESYeTMQ2w

>> No.13477360

>>13477244
>>13477171
>>13458601
Look and laugh at this faggot. Laugh at his faggotness

>> No.13477391

all holos should stream at least 8 hours per day so you can make sure they are all overlapped by at least 4 others. That will surely incentivize the audience to check out the other streamers as well.

>> No.13477453

>>13477033
I don't expect another StarsJP gen until maybe one or to more graduate but I do expect StarsEN to happen next year if Niji gets the male gen and is sucessful.

>> No.13477489

>>13476858
How is Omega debuffing her? Omega isn't the one that made her weird L2D.

>> No.13477536

>>13477244

Yashiro is definitely not a 2views but ok

>> No.13477553

>>13477202
Stars also barely started getting sponsors within the past couple months as well.

>> No.13477566

>>13477033
Probably when all the boys hit 100k subs. Either way, Yagoo and the Stars themselves don't want a new gen until they are confident that they are self sustaining

>> No.13477621

>>13477566
good, otherwise it would be a waste of money and resources

>> No.13477874

>>13477300
Mori is an abnormality, and not that I wouldn't like for the girls to stream more.
Also, 10x 2 hour streams vs 3 x 5 hour streams matters even if its less hours streamed. This isn't Twitch, where hours streamed is by far the most important metric for growth and getting eyes on you, this is YT, where the clips and VOD will do a lot of the heavy lifting after the fact.
Also ffs do a proper comparison that doesn't have Myth have an extra 2 weeks on Council, what kind of retarded comparison was that?

>> No.13478008

>gura and kronii smash barely 25k
disappointing

>> No.13478113

How are the Tsunderia males faring?

Are they safe from the incoming NijiEN male wave?

>> No.13478182

>>13477874
Like you said, YouTube is heavily optimized for vod views (you’re still at the mercy of the algorithm) while Twitch is heavily optimized for CCV and watch time (twitch’s directory and carousel system).

>> No.13478215

>>13478008
If they were smart they would do team viewer participation

>> No.13478234

>>13478008
That's a nice buff for Gura. What more were you expecting?

>> No.13478368

>>13478234
30k was what some people may have been expecting, except Gura's a goddamn noob at the game so I didn't expect her to break 30k off of this. Also, viewer participation and Challenge streams are where you get the big numbers for Smash.

>> No.13478475

>>13478234
25k is not buff, just not debuff.

>> No.13478485

>>13477874
>Mori is an abnormality
Hardly an argument in favor of Mumei, Ina also had significantly more hours streamed and she has her "priests" work in the side.

>Also, 10x 2 hour streams vs 3 x 5 hour streams matters even if its less hours streamed.

Streamed less is streamed less.

>Also ffs do a proper comparison that doesn't have Myth have an extra 2 weeks on Council, what kind of retarded comparison was that?

Yeah, I agree that the guy that made the chart is a dumbass that should use the same amount of time, but Mumei is going on a break so it shouldn't change much.

>> No.13478488

Did Selen stomp the tournament? What numbers did she get?

>> No.13478586

>>13478488
midget numbers

>> No.13478632

>>13478488
AN OUTSTANDING 3K

>> No.13478678

>>13478632
>>13478586
Wtf, I was expecting more.

Did she win at least? She's pred right?

>> No.13478728

>>13478678

>Did she win at least?

No, lol, Her team got 11th place.

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