/#/ - Numbers thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>13336966
Previous thread

[Anonymous No.]

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

[Anonymous No.]

go outside anon

[Anonymous No.]

Why is there so many food related question

[Anonymous No.]

This was a little anticlimatic. I understand that having Kuzuha and Fuwa in the final deflated the main channel numbers and, yet, I was one of the ones assuming 120k for today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13348723
I refuse

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>>13348748
because it's 100 questions, what else are you going to ask? Which arm do they wash first when the shower?

[Anonymous No.]

>Pekora want to marry Choco-sensei

[Anonymous No.]

>Niji main channel wrapped up
>No increase in Pekora's number
It is very safe to assume there is ZERO (0) overlap between both fanbases, at least among people that would pick Splatoon collab as their main and Pekora as their secondary

[Anonymous No.]

This Q and A is gonna be 2 hours long and contribute a shit ton to Pekora's watchtime.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>13348748
>>13348785
Management was also meant to filter the questions and they've done a shit job

[Anonymous No.]

>>13348795

[Anonymous No.]

* ongoing streams, top 5, unfiltered *
J-Jun, onegai!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13348808
About 149,000 CCV

[Anonymous No.]

>>13348936
>73+40+22+10+7+3=155
Anon, plz, there is more than 150k CCV on the first row alone, adding up the thousands alone.

[Anonymous No.]

kek, Niji beat Jun 2 days a row, their biggest contribution.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349023
NTA but I think he meant only those participating in the tournament. Lize was playing some JP RPG I refuse to acknowledge.

[Anonymous No.]

Luna is struggling to get 3k with minecraft

[Anonymous No.]

>>13348753
>>13348753
And I was the one who said it wouldn't reach it BECAUSE of the finals but ofc no one listens to reason in here

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349050
Great numbers for Lize, goes to show she has an audience all there for her

[Anonymous No.]

>>13348817
While this number was solid I'm still disappointed with bland presentation and missed potential to hit 90k.

Do japs aware that no one is gonna stare at barely changing screen for 2 hours?

Also Peko as MC is a surprising choice, she usually avoid stuff like this.

[Anonymous No.]

9 different vtubers from Nijisanji with over 10k CCV today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349093
Should have let the bun bun cha for 30mins, cause that's the most interesting part of the stream.
t. not a sankiseifag but do watch furea and pekora sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349161
out of 150...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349093
Should have Marine host this collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349074
Minecraft is not really Luna thing.
>pic related
If she holds she'll likely get funneled up to 4k, 5k but that's about what she gets when playing solo

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349202
What happened to the ShubaLunaChoco tro recently?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349181
holoCOPE RUMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349093
Just treat this as a radio show or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349023
ohh yeah you're right, I seem to have skipped the third guy

[Anonymous No.]

>13349242
Well, is it true tho?

[Anonymous No.]

Looks like a lot of EOPs are tuning into Nijisanji streams. This is a good time indeed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349322
EOPs who watch Nijisanji EN don't care about JP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349322
Ah, good times!
The "slippage", it will never cease to make me laugh, thanks for the good memories, anon!

[Anonymous No.]

I'm relieved for the sake of Riku after this weekends results. After all there is no need for him to graduate the company yet. But then again, winning with a tournament is only par for the course. Hopefully this boost Nijisanji into working on their fan culture, i.e. develop one, so they aren't so dependent on force fully acquiring normies for their tournaments and events. If they can manage that, I see great things in their future!
t.xang investor

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349322
Yes, many EOPs watch NijiEN. I'm not sure if they're watching NijiJP though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349385
nah. I just switched to niji because I didn't like the new hololive wave. I found them to be super entertaining, it felt like I had found a goldmine. So I told other people about it, but I encountered a lot of hololive-onlies who refused to watch anything else.

I still like the hololive talents. I don't normally watch any JP streams but the hololJP's are more memorable and distinctive. There's so goddamn many niji JP's that it's impossible to know them all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13348808
So most of the people there were only there for the tournament?
There's only 41.4k people watching Nijisanji now that the tourney ended.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, anons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13348753
This but gen 3 collab (100k where?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349486
>just switched to niji
>hololive wave
HOW DO YOU DO, FELLOW HOLOLIVE FANS!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349486
>hololive new wave

?? HAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349504

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349534
Yea. That's how you know its the anon who fucking uses livers to refer to holomem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349517
Wut? Was there anyone really predicting 100k for a Q&A collab?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349486
>5 Rikkun funbux has been deposited into your account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349551
Yes? Do you read the threads?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349558
I do. Anyone said that and didn't get profusely laughed at?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349584
>>13346862
>>13346907
>>13347019 >>13347063 >>13347065

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, they're reacting to the MV

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349655
>refer to 5 post
>only 2 say 100k
it almost slipped wich is the funny thing

[Anonymous No.]

My money is well spent

[Anonymous No.]

It's better than Plasmagic Season. The MV is really good too.

[Anonymous No.]

Huh did anyone catch how much the viewers dropped by when the mv started?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349790
Would be better if they use new 3d outfit for 3rd gen in this MV instead of png.

[Anonymous No.]

guess when the watchalong started

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349655
kek, first post is a clear shitpost, last three posts are anons saying it will NOT pass 100k, ensuring Niji's victory.

Compare the predictions for Niji
>>13319811: 115k for Niji, 90k for Gen3
>>13320382: 100k for Niji, 80k for Gen3
>>13315210: 130k for Niji
>>13317356; 90-100k for Niji
>>13306308: 120k for Niji
>>13306309: 120k for Niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349817
15-20K?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349847
1. We don't know if they'll get a new 3D like in the poster
2. Maybe they want to keep it as surprise for the concert.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

3RD GEN SONG RELAY ON THE 23RD

[Anonymous No.]

So did niji got 100k on their main ch?

[Anonymous No.]

>2:09:48 Pekora: So we wil lhave a singing relay on 23rd please watch it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349905
THAT'S ILLEGAL

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349916
>did
Yes, not today though

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349934
>>13349905
noel...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349905
noel will get the highest ccv screenshot this

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349916
>100k
at this point only koshien or kuzu can do that anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349905
>>13349934
Fucking illegal

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349934
40k-50k each

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349905
Highly illegal. Anyone who's at the end of the funnel is gonna get decent numbers at the very least. Speaking of funnels, gen 3's done, let's see where the viewers go.

[Anonymous No.]

9 days ramain for Peko to get 6 top 1

[Anonymous No.]

did they rush modare sensei or not pay him enough? the art quality aint up to his usual stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349954
>>13349976
Is this a yes or a no? I played one game just now, so I didn't get to see the closing ceremony numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349990
maybe the last ones, but not the first ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349893
They probably will, seems like a new trend to give them a new 3D model outfit.
With the amount of staff they have now it shouldn't be a problem.
I just hope it isn't just for 1 or 2 songs like the rest of the solo lives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349995
3rd gen MV on the Holo main channel will auto play to Miko's stream
Take a wild guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350033
See >>13348753, didn't beat even 90k

[Anonymous No.]

ILLEGAL VIEW FUNNELING

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350033
A NO for Splatoon.

[Anonymous No.]

sana holding up against irys

[Anonymous No.]

>MOSHI MOSHI, KEISATSU DESU KA?
I would like to report illegal activities

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350072
kek, autoplayed into miko's stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350072
FUCKING PEKO MIKOS FANS

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350052
>>13350075
Damn son, I thought they could reached at least 100k yesterday. They can't even beat yesterday's numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350072
Pekomiko bros...

[Anonymous No.]

KEK, Towa seems to have lost some to the Gen3 premiere, only to get it back later

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350086
You mean Watame holding up against IRyS lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350072
>>13350090
ILEGAL

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350123
>>13350090
>>13350072
fucking kek everyone just gets a 30% boost for free

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349790
Really? I prefer Plasmagic, maybe because most of the ones singing were good singers. This was definitely better in the MV portion at least.

[Anonymous No.]

How many Gen have their own gen original?
1,3,4,5,Myth,ID(1+2)...HOPE

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349960
noel's karaoke is fun and cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350123
Polka likewise, she lost some to the Premiere, then got them back with interest

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349905
They should start with either pekora or marine . And they should end with either pekora or marine. The average numbers will be higher this way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350208
>They should start with either pekora or marine
Nope, They should just follow the girls natural schedule and start with Rushia on Rushia usual slot, then Noel, Marine, Pekora, Flare then Pekora again for the group reunion

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349905
Are they going to do everything in relays now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350240
DO YOU EVEN FUNNEL, BRO?

[Anonymous No.]

Funny how the ILLEGAL VIEW meme evolved from Kuzuha to Holos. At first, I was one of the anons to notice the fake peaks done by Kuzuha and the gang. Now, it got moved to Holos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350278
>fake peaks

[Anonymous No.]

Do you all prefer normal twitch raid where a streamer's numbers gets boosted by one popular streamer or AOE Raid (illegal view funneling) where a stream ends and the viewers gets funneled and shared to other streams? I don't see the phenomenon occuring for nijis after the tourney ended.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350239
I want to maximize the numbers anon. Starting with pekora or marine will make sure the base number will be high and ending with either pekora or marine will make the peak higher. Overall average will be higher if they do this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350367
You don't see it in Nijisanji because it means the audience has no interest in the rest of the group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350367
One is legal and the other isn't. That is why we praise raids but look down on less honest funneling.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>13350367
Niji watchers are numberfags deep inside. they only flock to big numebrs

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350452
that is some extreme ilegal funneling on miko channel

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350484
Peko-Miko overlap is no joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350423
Kek
>>13350452
Absolutely illegal!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350415
Pretty much.
There are very few streams right now and Chigusa is even talking about the tournament,
yet, the livers aren't getting much more than their regular numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350580
>>13350415
If I were an advertiser I may like this. Many unique viewers is kinda better than tapping from the same well multiple times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350415
>>13350580
There is one perverse thing that will come out of this event.
Given that it was a company wide event and most low tier Nijis took part and overlapped it will likely
>CRASH
their mean of peaks and, specially, their median of peaks.

That's something I noticed for Hololive as well. The more multiPOV collabs the low median girls (HoloID, Choco-Roboco-Matsuri-Luna-Aki) did, the more impact they had in the stats.

I'm curious to see where their numbers will land in that NipBro mean of peaks chart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350580
Chigusa’s median CCV last month was 1200.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350715
I don't know anon. I think a single 30k stream is a bigger evidence of "many unique viewers" than 2x 8k + 4x 3k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350661
Wait now I remembered. I think the one who created this MV probably also created Pochi's King MV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkj9AYwRMnM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F61eDAXtmnw

>It's true

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350580
Sometime I wonder if Chigusa join Hololive instead of Polka, will HoloChigu get better number than Polka?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350367
from what i remember Niji have a reverse thing where Kanae will be used as a waiting room for Kuzuhas stream to start

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350715
If im advertiser i would choose the one that gets big numbers with or without events or tournament. Tourist wont buy your shit dedicated fans do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350783
Absolutely, Hero and Nobuhime were basically on par with each other back before they joined up. Nobu earned slightly more money through her fanbox and the like, but in terms of viewership they were more or less comparable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350715
those unique viewers that only come for tournament finals wont watch your shitty sponsored streams though

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350761
It depends how much the 30k liver costs and how much the other 6 cost. Also keep in mind there are more demos across 6 livers than 1 liver.

>>13350837
Tourist eyes are good though. Sure, merch and shit is for fans and not tourists. Mobile games are for tourists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350783
She's crying her eyes out now because she's frustrated she lost, despite how much fun and support she's had with this team.
Chigusa always wanted to be in Nijisanji and she's living the dream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350728
You're right. Interestingly she got outranked by
>Petra
for the month of October

[Anonymous No.]

In a Famimart poll, most responders likened Nijisanji merchandise to 'bargain-bin' goods, not realizing it was a vtuber agency.
One excitable child noted that he loved Nijisanji because he could get a lot of really cheap promotional candy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350715
>same well
That's been disproven many times already with Holos overlapping each other and still gets good numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350885
Wasn't she the biggest member of Selejo?

[Anonymous No.]

wait! what was that! i felt a disturbance in the force!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350890
Source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350890
Source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350941
everyone just lost a couple of thousand views and gained them back

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350890
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350865
>It depends how much the 30k liver costs and how much the other 6 cost
Yeah, of course a bargain hunter advertiser could shop using that as their criteria.
>Also keep in mind there are more demos across 6 livers than 1 liver.
That is also true but the demo for "people that watchj interactive anime catgirls / catboys" is really restricted to a certain segment of the possible demos.

I truly doubt any mid to top of the market advertiser would go for six low audience streamers over one high audience high name recognition one.

[Anonymous No.]

>13350865
holy retard.
>cost
What the fuck.
>demos
It literally doesn't work that way.
>fans and tourists
Tourists won't watch your fucking shill stream, much less buy/play whatever you're shilling

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350890
>One excitable child noted that he loved Nijisanji because he could get a lot of really cheap promotional candy.
That's pretty based of him. Good lad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350871
sad cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350936
Yeah, she still has the most subs.

[Anonymous No.]

i woke up late
cam on irys get that uh
6k? 8k?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350890
>One excitable child noted that he loved Nijisanji because he could get a lot of really cheap promotional candy.
You'll have to drop some source for that, this sounds like salacious rumors one would spread about their competitors instead and I refuse to believe it would be true

[Anonymous No.]

Good thing this happened now and not in the primetime

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350936
Here's the Oct numbers.
Ngo leapfrogged everyone in Selejo this summer and is mid tier Niji now.
Chigusa plays a lot of Apex where she gets less than 1000 viewers, since they go to her colleagues POV.

This tournament didn't help much, sine most people went to Shachou or Hakase's POV.
She's getting a lot more for this post tournament talk since it's therapeutic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13351092
ooop, tried to upload 2 images at one like a dummy.
Here's the Niji Oct 2021 numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>13351132
Huh she lost to Ngo, Hisui, and Kohaku??

[Anonymous No.]

>kiara playing alice again in few minutes
kek shes gonna get destroyed but the other ens still live

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350890
Yea, you're definitely gonna need to source this, sounds like a hilarious rrat otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13351013
Already passed 6k lel. Maybe 8k is possible as NA wakes up and EU gets home.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13351313
>mom, I want the Nijisanji candy!
>why, my beautiful child, do you like them?
>ew, no! But did you see HOW MUCH candy you can get for 10 yen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13351225
Split POV and APEX have been as much poison for her as for Matsuri.

Her Splatoon numbers this month were just as bad outside of the 2 finals and post streams today.

She might still end up with a better average in November, due to less Apex and more Zatsu/variety colalbs.
But even then... this one had a 424 peak
https://playboard.co/en/video/WXx_7QO4rzA

[Anonymous No.]

>>13349074
As a lunaito I can say I don't watch minecraft.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13351669
She's doing fishing, it might as well be a zatsu.
Still, she's on the same server as Towa, they might even interact... for once.

Speaking of Towa, what's happening to her stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13351751
If you mean the downward slope, it turned midnight and other streams started.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350890
I'm pretty sure this is one of those 5ch says shitposts that they throw out during their frequent thread wars, didn't know someone translated it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13351265
She's being destroyed by everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

https://sp.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm39641282

SOUL

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350890
Sounds too baity to be true, Plus, why would Famimart release data that makes their products look bad?
Give source or you will forever be labeled a

[Anonymous No.]

Shion is a midnight monster. Surely took over the slot and made it her own.

I wonder if her situation improved to the point she'll go back to stream regularly and without breaks

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352187
What do you mean? she's just reclaiming her throne. She used to rule this timeslot before she got depressed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352187
her situation has been fine for awhile now, it's mostly just a question of motivation for her, Ie "Finding games that she enjoys that would be okay to stream". She experienced a similar resurgance when they had pokemon snap permissions back in the day, for instance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352187
Well yes. Not to go into rrat/roommate stuff, but once she moved the situation had pretty been resolved. She got motivated by Aqua working so hard, but Aqua....onegai....

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352247
>She used to rule this timeslot before she got depressed.
I assume that must be 12 to 18 months ago or so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352270
Well Akua at least is doing her idol reps, so I'll give her a pass

[Anonymous No.]

Kiara's numbers are pretty abysmal huh

[Anonymous No.]

Hello numberfags, I've come here to seek your wisdom. Why is it with twitch tubers they tend to get around the same number of viewers regardless of what they're streaming, which is the complete opposite with the en girls? It's like they get better average but has a much lower cap

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352443
Too many holos at this time of the day. She was never gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352443
Bad slot, bad game, stacking with her debuff and overlapping with JP **and** Sana and IRyS.

With all of that said she'll likely incline to the numbers she usually gets with this game

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352443
>>13352556

Well, FINAL buff will bring it back to her normal number

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352586
It may be the final chapter but even among those interested, a 2 weeks gap between the prev and this one would lose her some interest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352513
Twitch view count =/= YT view count

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352247
>she's just reclaiming her throne
And Akua... my akya... sob....

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352586
That only matters when people give a shit about the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352657
Glue factory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352654
Even if that's the cause I'm just confused at how they manage to keep the number of viewers pretty much the same each stream regardless of content

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352513
That's simply the differences in how the audiences are. While the numbers are more stable, the amount of people they're able to pull in is much less because there are less 'fairweather fans' who only watch games that interest them, or if you want to call them tourists or low-interest fans, whatever. Not that Twitch doesn't have them, people who watch only certain games and all, but for the most part I'd just chalk it down to different platforms and how their audiences work.

[Anonymous No.]

Pekora surely took a beating today on Pokemon, kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCOBLpruqO4

Good for numbers on an eventual revenge stream?

[Anonymous No.]

Meanwhile Kenmochi casually getting 30k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352775
Twitch isn't a VOD or recommendation platform like Youtube, people won't just "stumble" on a Twitch streamer.
Whoever is watching them (other than the eventual raid) is making a deliberate choice of tuning in their channel.
They're not getting recommended, they're not watching some twitch clip and checking the channel, they're tuning in in the creator channel to watch them.

That surely culls the "tourists" and leaves them with a base of "captive audience", capped by the exact same reasons I outlined above

[Anonymous No.]

>>13350715
Thank god you’re not an advertiser then. Look up Advertising Rule of 7

[Anonymous No.]

SLOW AND STEADY BROS WW@? NIJI DOES NOT SLIP

HOLOKEKS, HAVE YOU KNEELED YET?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352858
Good job not slipping for once. I knew nijisanji could do it!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352830
He-Ayame is just too strong, but only when he "charges up" his rarity buff.

OG Ayame may do like last month
>1 stream, 86k median
for the crown tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352843
That sounds about right, means more stable floor but also a harder capped ceiling unless you're one of the real big fish on Twitch and get random tourists off of sheer fame.
Also, isn't Twitch's equiv. to YT notifications less broken? It means your followers are surely more likely to actually be notified if you're streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352979
If you follow multiple twitch streamers you just get spammed to shit with email notifications

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352768
YT doesn't count all of the views. If you have adblock on, or you're tabbing out or you're muting the stream or you're watching another stream etc, they don't count the view. Twitch on the other hands, counts all of them. It's much more apparent when Holos goes to SC reading and the views drops while twitch vtubers kept a steady pace from when the views are stable till the end of the stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352858
I’m reporting your extremely illegal screenshot to the anti-Niji defamation instant response legal team.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352513
Just looking at their viewer curve for the last week tells that they don't actually get the same number of viewers each time, even if it's within the same range of people.
They just stream for very long 4-7 hours on average, so the curves end up leveling.
This is true for many Twitch streamers though, they just start the stream and chill for some hours, play games, then do other random things, which allows people to jump in and out throughout.

Hololive/vtubers are more of an outlier, as they're more inspired by tv specials than streamer culture, leading to many event style, 1 hour streams.
Also, the larger fanbase that can pick who to watch at a given hour. Leading to varying stream numbers for the same youtuber, in the same 1 hour segment in different days.
They're more similar to the Minecraft streamers, who stream less, for fewer hours and usually at big collabs and events.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352905
There's a lot of 30k+ from nijis today. This might be the day where Niji completely dominates Holos in the daily chart. Like Kuzuha, Fuwa, Kenmochi all got 30k+ now. Well maybe not kenmochi since it'll count the next day, but still!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353139
Fucks sake, the images today don't want to post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353174
>Kenmochi
He started after midnight JST

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353036
There's also the "legal viewbotting" that Twitch allows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G0r2vjpdyQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353174
kek whos gonna tell him

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353307
I've counted 11 10ks+ from Holos today. Surely, Niji is higher than that.

[Anonymous No.]

Under 1 minute poll with 6800 viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353368
Holo 12 10ks
Niji 11 10ks, even if you count kuzuha twice for the same stream content

[Anonymous No.]

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>88,214: にじさんじ (Nijisanji)
>83,690: Pekora (Hololive)
>43,445: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>39,121: Marine (Hololive)
>34,730: Pekora (Hololive)
>33,977: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>30,290: Subaru (Hololive)
>29,029: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>22,504: Sasaki (Nijisanji)
>22,191: hololive (Hololive)
>20,753: Miko (Hololive)
>20,650: Rushia (Hololive)
>16,172: IRyS (Hololive)
>15,402: Lamy (Hololive)
>12,886: Lize (Nijisanji)
>12,304: Mito (Nijisanji)
>11,807: kson (indie)
>11,531: Mio (Hololive)
>11,457: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>11,313: Ange (Nijisanji)
>10,762: Fubuki (Hololive)
>10,727: Noel (Hololive)
>10,427: Ex Albio (Nijisanji)
>10,147: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353471
> even if you count kuzuha twice for the same stream content
it was not a technical restart, he really created two streams this time

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353471
>>13353490
FBK doesn't count because she streamed after midnight

[Anonymous No.]

Toya setting the floor really high for tomorrow, isn't he?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353547
check again

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353547
Anon, the list is taken from this
https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/archives-ranking?date=2021-11-21

Streams that start before midnight gets in that day, streams that start after go to the next day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353490
The difference was 5k... Also,

>bronze boy

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353490
I thought it'd be 3D for gen3, I got scammed.

>niji less than 90k
Reclining. Even with tournament, still unable to dominate the rankin

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353579
Both Toya and Shion got similar stream time as her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353490
>88,214: にじさんじ (Nijisanji)
>83,690: Pekora (Hololive)
>43,445: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>39,121: Marine (Hololive)

Holobronies btfo

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353669
I'd really fucking hope, that on the day of a tourney they've been practicing for a month, that they would get the gold, otherwise that would be just damn shameful.

[Anonymous No.]

lol got to sleep seaschizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353271
Follow up to this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUa0kbNZ7c4

[Anonymous No.]

>>13352905
I feel like "visiting viewers’ islands" is also a good idea to boost numbers in this game, viewer participation is nice and dedicated fans always have something interesting to show. I don’t watch Animal Crossing often these days but I think the majority of streams is just running around on your own island, which is honestly boring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13348808
It failed to beat the among us + mr. koro

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353669
There there , let it all out. It's been tough hasn't it. We understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353641
Fubuki started two minutes before midnight. She's at a loss too because even inclining from now on her number is already tallied

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353698
I wouldn't consider it a win for them. A gold is a gold in this thread, but outside of this thread, what would their higher ups think when they see their competitor getting similar numbers with just a questionnaire and a OG song release? It's only a few thousand difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353841
Dangit, can't even appeal for a tie

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353900
If only Gura's GTA didn't get cancelled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353869
Anon, anycolor might care about numbers but they don't care about numbers this fucking much

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353490
Hololive 12
Nijisanji 12

Nijisanji won the god and bronze.

Nijisanji ruled today.

[Anonymous No.]

I genuinely feel awful for the poor girls that got roped into VERSEn. I'm enjoying the schadenfreude of Sony failing in miserable fashion, but I still hate that a handful of talented chuubas (or at least ones with potential) are the ones who suffer as collateral.

What are the chances Sony pumps the brakes on the whole "50 vtubers, anime original, multimedia franchise" thing given how poorly they've launched?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353985
I'd assume they'd use the numbers from their tourneys for more sponsorships the likes of Power pros. Too bad we don't really have detailed information of all the big events in 2018-2019 that made Nijisanji land on that Koshien sponsorship. Either Riku went and showed the numbers to them or Konami approached them on the deal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354142
Anon, that's numberrot setting in, they are doing fine as far as new debuts go

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353985
kek good one anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354142
>Sony
lol

To their credit I've heard fans from other companies wanting the blue haired one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354193
Anon, Sony is dumping hundreds of thousands into these girls with their metaverse project.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354095
kson honorary Niji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354224
If any exec at anycolor is honestly staring at the ccv numbers for the big tournament and comparing them to the sankisei collab I'd reccomend him to go get some stress counselling and possibly a break

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354262
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354156
They got that sponsorship because they were the only ones streaming it en masse, even non participants spammed the fuck out of it.
Fun fact old Koshien involved some Hololive girls as NPCs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354193
>they are doing fine as far as new debuts go
Under 200 views is **not** "doing fine" for a corporate chuuba.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354252
Evidently they are not

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354307
That curdled my blood. A beautiful design like that (reminds me of Pochi's Reine) transformed into the NotreDame hunchback

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354271
Well, what other metrics are they gonna use? Even the graph shows they're declining. If a month long hyped event with pros as guests had similar numbers to the sankisei collab, then an alarm should've rang in their HQ by now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354297
Anon the entirety of tsunderia and the likes of Prism project/phase connect/Kawaii are doing fine despite every single one of them being a 2view, and that goes for most of noripro and 774 too. Sony's vtubers being 3views already puts them above most company chuubas

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354307

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354460
Cover and Nijisanji are Mom and Pop stores compared to Sony's Walmart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354545
evidently not

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354193
>~200 post-debut live viewers on a group that you plan to launch a literal media franchise with
>fine

Even if they didn't invest any of that money into the actual talents, apparently, they HAVE invested a fuckton of money into this VERSEn venture in general. You don't hire some of the biggest names in the industry for character design and animated original direction, put out a fully animated commercial-grade trailer for said franchise, and invest in the sheer amount of advertising material that Sony did and look at 200 CCV *at best* (one of the girls was only in double digits today) and say "this is fine."

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354460
lol those are not doing fine. The company can survive, but their talents get shit pay

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354460
>are doing fine
You surely mean
>have enough runway from investors capital to last long enough for every single cent of it to be distributed as wages and bonuses

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354574
They also invested in ads kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354634
Yea, are they actually doing fine? isn't 1k ccv is the baseline for a streamer to go full time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354460
Aah Tsunderia. I remember when it looked like they were on track to becoming an indie giant, behind only hololive and vshojo.
And then their own talents fucked them over and they lost all momentum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354574
Their live models look like bargain bin shit so I'm not convinced anyone at Sony is actually invested in their vtubing experiement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354545
Then why does Sony invest in Nijisanji who does augmented reality 3D concerts while VERSEn gets vroid models that don't even reflect the high cost artists they hired?
Literally what was the point? Were they too poor for skeb?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354682
I've seen some 3d streamers go full time with 200-300 ccv.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354682
Anon, these aren't indies.
They're corporate vtubers working for fucking Sony.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354681
YAGOO did talk about poaching and how worried he was about it. I wonder if that was for this project or the 50 vtubers project, which are actually separate.

I'm just wondering if Sony will be strong enough to use as leverage again Nijisanji/Hololive when it is time to renegotiate contracts. For hololive all of Gens 1, 2, and 3 were up in the summer and it seems like everyone re-signed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354682
Anon, that's the numberrot speaking. The vast, vast majority of fulltime streamers out there hover in the 1-200 cv range. Breaking past that and getting regular 4 digit CCVs is actually really hard. For instance, Maha5 is successful enough to actually set up a japanese branch, and not a single one of them has ever gone past 300ccv

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354719
They're invested in the way that Sony is always "invested" in their shit doomed-to-fail projects.

Those higher in management and executive decisions like the *idea* of Sony dominating an industry, and get sold on some idea of Sony strongarming everyone simply by virtue of being Sony. They'll have a massive media franchise! Anime! Merchandise! 50 vtubers in the first year! We can hire the artists and creators behind (thing you've heard of)! This industry makes this much annually, and we'll take a huge slice of it ourselves!

And then when it comes to the actual execution, they cut every fucking corner possible, slash budget for anybody other than themselves, and approach the whole thing with zero plan other than thinking they'll succeed because they like the idea of succeeding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354807
Which vtubers would you see accepting to be poached and turned into a Twich 2view tier model with a chat infested with /vt/ users?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354682
With corpos you need to factor in how much they've had invested in them via ads, music, things like that. Plus the corporations cut of the money coming in. Indies start from the ground up with much less investment and thus should take them less time to recoup costs of models and rigging if they can get similar viewership.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354682
An indie, with ~500 viewers on Twitch, gets ~20k a year iirc, from the leak not long ago. Which is minimum wageish in NA. Honestly, if you made that amount of money but lived in a region with a lower cost of living, that'd be great, but if you wanted to make a decent living at it, 1k viewers as an INDIE streamer would pretty much be needed.
These are corpos though, 1k, unless you were pulling in very high donation amounts, is....well, it'd be an alright part time job at best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354762
>>13354857
I am honestly not sure if you need a bigger baseline of CCV to sustain full time streaming as corpo streamers (for corpo cuts)

>>13354756
>>13354819
>1-200 cv range full time
doubt this, they probably work part time or have a sidejob and what this anon said >>13354859.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354844
Probably none. I think the chances of a poaching happening is close to zero after this start.
Someone needs to be seething, looking for a way out, be offered a lot of money, and be willing to just start anew from scratch. The also need to be ignorant of the situation with pmaru-san.

Let me ask you, would you leave a position in Nijisanji or Hololive to sign with Sony? If you say yes for any reason other than "big cash upfront without strings" then you're lying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13353490
Holo 5 - 5 Niji
As expected, Niji took the day, but that 5k was awfully close to slippage territory
Also, Kuzuha FINALLY got a medal

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354807
Honestly, I'd build a rrat that JP 6 was supposed to debut earlier but they saw the ad for Sony's vtuber project and took that instead even after being accepted to Hololive. They'd probably measure Sony heavier than Hololive in the future. All the same bozos who thinks going to Niji/Sony is a guaranteed success when Hololive could provide an even bigger stage than they provide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355132
No one is dumb enough to sign with Sony if Hololive already offered them something unless Hololive offered them to join the company in early 2020 and they've been sitting on their asses for 18 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355132
This is just a slight modification of Holo EN2 saw how terribly coco is treated and canceled their application and apply to another agency instead rrats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355223
Seems like it was true, otherwise they wouldn’t get such failures in Council.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355033
The "lolcow e-beggars" I've seen seem to have perfected a way to get money from their audience via actual donations and "troll tips."

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355132
Nah.
I'll take the words that Tanigo stated as truth, that they wanted to make sure that they had the conditions right before they'd debut another gen.
That means both the need for a new wave and the supports in place for them. Remember, prior to their hiring craze last year they were horrendously understaffed from everything we've heard (one manager handling way too many talents, lack of support staff and staff to handle projects, songs etc)
Now that more holomem have started to take on sponsorship work, promotional stuff and idol reps, it's time to roll out another gen to help lighten the load of both keeping hours of streaming up and to help spread out sponsorships a bit.
While I don't think we see a JP gen 6 any sooner than December (I would be surprised if we see any news earlier) we're definitely seeing a gen 6 sooner rather than later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355209
They actually sit on their asses for 18 months. Cover dropped two models, a hag and a cunny, and guess who are the top performers in VERSEn?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355288
Rrats have it that Mumei was actually a late addition to the council and the person meant to play her bailed. It's also why Council wasn't debuted earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are people saying the Sony girls are getting 200 CCV? I looked at blue kirin's stream last night and she didn't even break 50 while I was watching

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355384
>Hololive drops JP6 4 weeks from now
>2 Sony vtubers, averaging max 40 viewers a stream, have massive meltdowns after hearing the news
Would that confirm the rrat? Would we feel proud about being right?

[Anonymous No.]

Here is an interesting chart from Niji to stimulate some productive conversation
>median of peak CCV, Nijisanji, per branch

Everybody knows what happened on NijiEN in that yellow date (2021-10-09) but WTF happened on NijiJP on 2021-09-27?
It can't be the end of the koshien buff alone because that was in the middle of August.
>SPECULATE

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355369
>lighten the load
There's like 30 JP holos, are they really that overwhelmed with business opportunities?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355288
>>13355405
If there's chubbas willing to join Sony whom infamously mistreated Kaguya Luna what makes you think that some Coco rrat would make someone bail from an EN2 position in Hololive?
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355209
Well, there are dumb people and there are opportunists. Sony is debuting their own vtuber group and being the first gen seems like a nice, fancy hook to latch on that choosing to be in JP 6. Take my rrat as a grain of salt though, the VERSE girls are talented but they're all gonna face indie numbers in the first year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355384
>the top performers
With respectively 200 CCV and 150 CCV kek.

That's NijiID / NijiKR tier

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355508
We don't have that far of a history book to tell what's going on from the numbers. I wished we could compile them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355582
This only has from mid August forward. Even the "final tally of the day" goes back this far

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355405
>mumei of all people

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355542
You should hope Sony won't drop them after a year

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355517
>Points to multiple Holomem who have been forced to take breaks due to overworking themselves, with them saying its because of sponsorships and other opportunities and that management wasn't forcing them to do anything
I dunno, you tell me. Throw in the fact that you have the CEO himself having stated that companies are approaching them for sponsorship deals and the fact that we're seen some pretty solid, high profile deals out of HoloJP...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355677
>a year
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355405
That's retarded, the reason why council was delayed was because of Coco's graduation making it such that any debut prior to it would be in bad taste

>>13355517
Yes, have you seen the number of holos having nervous breakdowns or having to take a break recently? Rushia, Marine, Nene, and most recently Towa all had stress related breakdowns, and the feeling I get is that all the holos are getting overwhelmed with work recently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355033
200-300 CCV is totally good enough to go full time... on twitch.
Details being, also have 500 subs (members) per month and best to be part of a small community where you constantly get eyes on you. That way you'll get some advertiser money too.
Add to that a "highlights" YT channel and you're making ~2k$ per month.
Not great in the US/Canada/Japan, but enough for it to be a full time job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355764
>Not great in the US/Canada/Japan, but enough for it to be a full time job.
Good enough for any of these countries (and any western europe as well) if you don't live in the big urban centers, but you most definitely won't be living on that budget in any major city in any of these centers

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355753
The biggest issue is they feel absolutely obligated to take as much as what's coming in too, even though they're free to decline. Aqua stated as much, that she started taking opportunities, and before she knew it they had all piled up in the summer. Not everyone is built like Fubuki, who can juggle that level of work and streaming a decent amount.

[Anonymous No.]

>Emperor.... :-(
How do we save him, lads?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355801
Coupled with the large investments in streaming equipments/models etc, 100+ views ain't enough. Crunchy Hime has it better, she got a decent following without any large ads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355685
>>13355753
I genuinely did not know that Hololive was that popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355844
Heh this kinda reminds me of Anya's approach to Idol manager where she just takes on any job offers that come in until suddenly half her girls are losing 180 stamina a week

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355869
he needs another tourney

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355888
They weren't, it started about one year ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355508
PFFFFF
Unironically, Kuzuha had his 1 million (300k) subs stream.

Aka, the Kuzuha Summer growth story arc was over, so people started tuning out.
Just like they did after the Peko-Moona Minecraft arc ended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-wP62z90Lk

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355888
It all started when a bunny, an onion, and a duck shilled a curry cup noodle...
>>13355894
....That...tch. Anya knows too much. She must be silenced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355894
Ew we have an anya viewer here. But yeah, they really need more people to divide the task load. Marine and Pekora can't carry the timeslots forever. They need actual streamers to take on the mantle to stream almost everyday. Council is somewhat a failure because none of them streams daily. Even Ame streamed two times a day in the first few months,

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355888
What rock were you living under, Hololive has been the number one vtuber company for an entire year now. Big enough that the consulate general of japan acknowledged them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355995
The best thing council did was motivate and empower Gura and Mori.
EN hasn't looked much worse, despite the many breaks and lower Council SC earnings because those 2 picked up a lot in stream hours.
Kiara not playing debuffs and Irys finding a loyal audience also helped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13356046
>acknowledged
understatement. collabed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355995
This is why I appreciate Bae as a numberfag even though I don't actually watch her content. The girl continues to have that 2view grind mentality despite hitting the jackpot. I really do hope she gets a say on at least one of the members for EN3

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355447
Blue got this today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355978
You may be correct, that was the date of "closure" for the Kuzuha growth arc.
It is still weird because the median of a branch with 50+ streamers can't be changed this easily with one single streamer event.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355508
Also
>LOOK AT THAT INCLINE FOR KR
That was likely on the backs of Bora Nun (mainly) and Ban Hada alone, which helps to highlight the immense loss it will be for their branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>13356186
>Elira gets her friends onto NijiEN
/#/ howls in indignation
>AZKi picks IRyS and Ina picks Sana
/#/ claps their hands to bloody numbs while hoping Kronii/Hakos get to pick EN3

[Anonymous No.]

>>13356285
I'm sure you have proof for all of those claims, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13356227
Anon...
There's a reason people post that image of Kuzuha carrying the Nijisanji globe, his view numbers and stream hours are that far ahead that dropping from 30k to 27k would impact the whole company.

Also, i can't find exact data, but i believe that was about the time Apex was super bad after the update and people weren't playing it. I know the servers first got fucked in early September during the Selene-Bon-Hada tournament, but i couldn't say for the rest of the month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13356378
>his view numbers and stream hours are that far ahead that dropping from 30k to 27k would impact the whole company.
Not the median tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13356359
I made it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13356285
Why is it that the only nijifags we get around these parts are the clearly disingenuous whose only contributions are lies and shitposts and the bitter retards whose only contributions are snide remarks and sour grapes?

[Anonymous No.]

Pretty strong month for Mel since her return and shift in focus to Hololive, alongside the jump in CCV in recent streams her growth in subscribers is more akin to mid-tier rather than her low-tier peers.

> AkiRose 9k
> Roboco 10k
> Luna 13k
> Sora 14k
> Choco 15k
> Flare 17k
> Polka 19k
> Mio 20k
> Towa 22k
> Lamy 23k
> Nene 24k
> Mel 25k

For those above 1 million whose growth is more vague due to Youtube tracking in blocks of 10k, Mel is in the neighborhood of growth of Botan, Ayame, Kanata, Haachama, Okayu, Watame, Matsuri, Aqua, Noel and Korone.

Even if one were to subtract the Birthday Live boost, Mel still sits on 22k for the past month. At a time when alot of her peers are hitting a softcap and slowing growth, Mel is taking off her limiters and pushing the pedal to the metal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13356285
>AZKi picks IRyS
With her portfolio she doesn't need to know Azki to be accepted into Hololive. Also if you are a Japanese utaite, it's pretty impossible to not know Azki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13354574
>Crunchyroll Hime has more viewers than mf Sony
So how long before Hime is tied into Verse since Crunchy is owned by Sony.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13356710
Melchads, I kneel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13356758
People base everything on twitter. Oh so and so follows someone on twitter they must be best friends IRL, that's how it works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13356710
Damn, i miss the old sub growth.
A strong month like this would have brought her 50-70k new subs.
It's not just that not as many new people are getting into vtubers it seems.
Those in the community aren't as excited to sub to the lower tears either. There's not much trickle down to be had.
Either that or the subscriber cut change is way worse than culling anything over 10% in a day. Which i doubt here.

[Anonymous No.]

does anybody here think Sana could get some good boost from the pokemon week she wants to do? Im talking real lasting fans, not temporary

[Anonymous No.]

>>13357441
Depends on how autist she goes with it since she's deep into the nitty gritty of raising pokemon for tournament level play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13357441
Only if there is something special about it. If its just a casual playthrough than no but if she no lifes it and goes pure autist like some smogon sperg than yeah, she will get some fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355649
HER was never a first rounder. If she was she'd been in NijiEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13356710
This is my first time saviourfagging. I will support every girl that intends to work hard so I joined her membership and trying to watch her streams when I can.

I really hope she can incline and takes her idol reps seriously.

To top it all off, she's playing the numbers game very well!

[Anonymous No.]

Just as a thought food, who do you think would be biggest winner if they switched from Niji to Holo with no backlash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13358916
Chima, a singer like her isn't fit to be stuck only on JP. Her talents could make her become super popular globally if she's in Holo on the same level as Mori and Suisei. Also, her model sucks and doesn't fit her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13358916
Uh, I don't really watch Nijisanji, but I'll throw out these conditionals and see if anyone would fit them?
-Sub 2k CCV media
-Has interest in singing/dancing/idol stuff and is also talented in those fields
-Some other talent/focus of interest that would be a good draw for viewers
-Must be pleasing to listen to. We don't need more hard-filter voices like Luna or Kiara
-Hard working, someone who's been streaming consistently, despite the lowish CCV

If you could find someone who matches most/all of those, they could potentially do really well moving from Nijisanji to Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13358916
Had Chigusa, who is a decent singer, a good streamer and can actually speak some English, joined Holofive, she'd have been an honourary EN in no time and might be actually doing better than Botan, although her Apex addiction and occasional menhera outburst might have lead her to matsurize herself. That said, Nijisanji seems to have been her first choice, so it's a moot point.

In general, the lower tier girls would do much better in Holo than Niji especially if they don't care much for collabing with males. I could see someone like Mao or even Deron doing very well. And all of Sanbaka despite being some of the biggest Nijigirls, could actually see a boost, although being already big, there's only so much they can grow and Toko is an honourary Holo anyway. I think she's been on that Holo cover listing every week for a year now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13356910
I feel like the main impetus of growth is semi-easonal to be honest. It doesn't seem to be directly related to coronavirus levels as one would think: rather it seems like the decrease of subs is primarily associated by a combination of coronavirus metrics along with what I would consider to be "school/work heavy periods." So for instance, the second or so month after a vacation period (midterms and finals), historical testing days (ex. university entrance exams), the first couple of weeks of "returning to the office" (which may or may not subsequently become temporary) and so on. Although the hype/market has certainly dampened a bit, it's not like the market is declining-if anything it's probably just waiting for the next "big event."

[Anonymous No.]

>Shion's most viewed videos (outside celebrations/songs) are the pokemon ones
The power of mild buff game+long stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>13359144
There is a certain NijiKR graduating soon that has indicated she is planning to continue to stream after graduation and generally fulfills a bunch of those conditions (~2k CCV, sings, streams fairly consistently, etc.), also said something about wanting to move to Japan for work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13359395
bora?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13358916
>who do you think would be biggest winner if they switched from Niji to Holo with no backlash.
Toko, easy peasy. Her median on Nijisanji is already Polka-tier (7k or so), on Hololive she could easily maintain that for general streams but get 20k, 30k, 40k doing karaoke and variety streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>13359435
I hope so. It'd at least make Twappi happy. I do wonder if the Nijiautists would go as far as harassing a non-main branch member if something like this were to happen.

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Honest question. Why do many anons here think that the mid to hight tier (relatively speaking) nijigirls would incline greatly if they joined Hololive? Are we just basing this on the fact that they'd get exposed to a bigger audience than if they stay at Nijisanji? Cause yeah they'd incline but not to the level that I think most of the anons here are thinking. Toko and the older girls have been at this for awhile now. Wouldn't it be more logical to think that they've already maxed out their main audience (JP)?

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>>13359330
I see what you're saying. and most likely we haven't seen this very heavily until now because last year this time was the peak of worldwide interest in vtubers.
By that logic, we'll see a rise in December again. But the drop from Sept to Oct to Nov has been quite steep. Even Gura went below 100k new subs for a 30 day period.

As for The next big thing though, there is a possibility that the market was as close to peak as it came in current conditions already, since back in the February dip.
It's just that we already had "the next big thing" which kept it hidden under a series of hype trains.
- the monster hunter arc
- Usaken minecraft arc
- fashion week
- Coco's graduation month
- Niji EN and Niji Edengumi debuts
- Council debut
- Niji Baseball
- Kuzuha's push to 1 million.
- concerts re-starting
But everything loses hype after a month and though we've had smaller events, they haven't been able to be as big hype trains as the month wide events in the past.
This month has been great for CCV numbers, but they were mostly 1-2 day things, making people excited for those vtubers rather than bringing that many new people into it.
Even kson starting everything she promised and Nijisanji's splatoon tournaments haven't had much ramifications.

Arguably the next big thing could have been Final Fantasy 14. Despite all the vtubers already playing it, getting Pekora, EN and other high profile ones into it for a while would have been big for all sides. But that was a bust.
The current big thing we have now is Pokemon, which is just a 20 hour game, followed by EN outfits V2 in Dec.

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>>13359664
>think that the mid to hight tier (relatively speaking) nijigirls would incline greatly if they joined Hololive?
Not all of them. You hear very little about Mito or Lize or Chihiro or Sasaki doing so because the type of streams they do on Niji aren’t number heavy in the Holo side.

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>>13353490
fucking kek
imagine if the girls got 5k more they would have btfo the entirety of nijisanji
imagine the cope
nijiniggers you get to live today but it was close

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>>13358916
As many said already, Chigusa and almost all of Selejo except for Hisupi would do better in Hololive. + Kirame
They're already geared more towards what's expected of the "idol" hololivers and would get more support on their music performance.

On the other hand Hisui might have actually benefited from not being debut as part of a drama/singing middle school girl's unit. As much as the girls like eachother, she wouldn't have had as many haters if she was allowed to be "one of the boys" from the start.

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>>13359664
>Are we just basing this on the fact that they'd get exposed to a bigger audience than if they stay at Nijisanji?

Yes, I think it's clear that in the current state of the field, you get more eyes on your stream by being part of the Hololive ecosystem. That said, I don't think the top Nijis would get that big of a boost, because as you said, they have already found their audience. But consider that all three Tokomachi covers on Suisei's channel are over 1M and the two on Toko's channel are under 1M. And sure, Suisei is a beast when it comes to song views, but Toko is too on a smaller level, and she honestly is one of the more idol-like Nijis. She shares an audience with Suisei, but outside of music they are rather different types of streamer and there could be an untapped market for her in the general Hololive audience. She'd also get a boost from being shitposted as the best Holosinger instead of one of the best Nijisingers.

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>>13359664
Everyone on Niji is maxed out on any potential audience already. Japan is already saturated. Anykara is going for the casual audience/normies but that doesn't help long term due to their community. In Hololive, the best they give you is exposure. Not to a bigger established audience, but YT's algo. Something even Anykara can't have. A mid tier niji girl with the ethic to stream day on Holololive could certainly get 10k+ median, just because the algo could recommend new viewers that likes your niche to come watch you.

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>>13360012
>A mid tier niji girl with the ethic to stream day on Holololive could certainly get 10k+ median
Let’s not get carried away. In October “only” 12 Holo JP girls cleared that threshold while having five or more streams.

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>>13360164

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you can tell how little people on this thread actually watch streams when they think that you'd make it big in hololive just by singing well.
They want good entertainers first, the singing is just a bonus. See recent cases like - fauna, sana, ollie, botan, and to lesser extents several others like lamy, kronii, etc etc.
Being a good singer doesnt get you in hololive and wont carry you around, since you cant, or shouldnt, be singing every stream.

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>>13360261
most of the holos top tier singers that stream regularly are doing well over the average

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>>13360407
Treerat...

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>>13360261
You argument and examples don't match. Not one of them are considered good singers.

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>>13360261
Here is a counter example: Calli. She self admittedly didn’t have a clue and learned about the whole streaming thing on the job.
IRyS gives the same impression. A good singer has a huge advantage and can pick up the rest on the go

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>>13360261
well, yeah. Excuse us for not going super in depth into a what if that will never happen and giving generic answers like "idol-like".
Tat's why we didn't mention the likes of Shizuka Rin, Dola, Mikoto, Kyoko or Amemori.
All good singers and some type of interesting streamer, but fitting different niches that probably wouldn't attract the Hololive main audience at first.

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>>13358916
I would honestly think that if Furen or Nui joined Hololive, they're able to incline.

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>>13360261
>you'd make it big in hololive just by singing well.

Almost none of the posts say this though. People are mostly talking about idol-like Nijis, and saying singing acts as a gateway to the rest of the streams.

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>>13360551
Well, yeah they would, why not mention Ars in that group too?
Those could have debut with Towa, but wanted Nijisanji instead.

I think the baka-group is doing pretty well for itself as a unit in Nijisanji already, along Hakase, Rion and Yashiro.
Sure, they could have been 8-12k CCV streamers in Hololive, but it would have been a different growth environment.

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>>13360196
Wow, there are only 18 vtubers between those two companies with a CCV median above 10k for that month. I do not know how many outside these two companies do this and I will assume the shortlist consists of Getchaman, Hal, and Ironmouse. Or just Hal.

12 are from HoloJP (13 soon, with Marine coming back)
4 are from NijiJP (3 of those being male, Mito will be back though)
2 are from HoloEN (don't @ me about magic bugs)

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>>13360407
yet you also have holos like pekora, miko who get less numbers when singing. Cant remember the last time rushia/shion did a karaoke, gura or shuba do it like once a month, or kronii or mumei, or myth, or korone or botan or fbk etc etc who dont even bother
Marine is the only top one who does singing streams semi regularly, and even suisei or mori do it just once a month.
Then you have watame, flare, kanata, mio, okayu, matsuri etc, who actually do it more regularly are just mid tiers.
Hell, following that logic towa should be straight at the top. Or moona, risu, and so on...
Or take for example aqua, who was getting less viewers due to spamming too much idol singing shit and leaving the gaming behind.
>>13360465
read again, i was giving you examples of exactly the bad singers who still got in.

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>>13360554
Mostly talking about idol-like Niji but nobody mentions a literally idol Uiha, yet someone mentioned fucking Deron…

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>>13355844
I think Pekora is one of the few who actually have the ball to just say “No” to the higher up and keep playing video games instead

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>>13360488
that goes back to the singing bonus. If they were a cardboard but great singer, they would never get in. It is pretty easy to tell it by a few interviews or just checking their previous streams, if they had any.

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>>13360803
Can you blame anyone for forgetting her? She streams once a season.

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>>13360784
most of the -top tier singers- that stream regularly are over the average

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>>13360890
eh you just sound vague and retarded. There are plenty of examples of top tiers who go above and below the average, based on what other skills they actually own.

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Hololive doesn't get "the best, most skilled people"
That's Nijisanji thinking, giving talented people a platform and letting them swim if they can.
Hololive look for skills they don't have or skills they'd like more of and hope they can learn to stream or at least do some projects.

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>>13360940
learn to read

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>nijigirls would do great if they got in hololive instead!
kek, you assume they could even make the cut

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>>13361017
most of them won't

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>>13360407
But they don’t sing every stream. Even for Suisei whose main focus is music, she still do normal gaming stream or other stuffs
What truly determine your success in this industry is that you find your own niche and committed to it, not just singing

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Okay, since the thread has devolved into dealing with hypotheticals, I wanna throw another scenario out there.
>What if Mito was the one who received the Pewdiepie buff instead of Rin?
Would iinchou bother entertaining a bunch of gaijins and take the time to acclimate them the same way FBK and Korone did? Would that have been enough to open the door for a duopoly in the western vtuber scene (at least in youtube)?

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>>13361017
They easily could because the only criteria Hololive checks for is if they fit whatever retarded vision the suits have for the new gen. Hololive could pick anyone from the most skilled to the least skilled depending on the winds or the color of the sacrificial chickens' entrails. Holo girls aren't vastly more talented than anyone, they're just in a good spot for growth.

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>>13360803
Doesn't Uiha do extensive stories about past dates and stuff? Plus shipping with Mayuzumi. I don't think she'd be all that good of a fit for Hololive. From what I've seen she unironically might be too good of a dancer, idols need room to grow after all.

Deron was absolutely a brainfart though.

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>>13361094
FBK and Korone did it because they needed more audience, the same way aqua did for chinese in the past. Mito never did it and wouldnt bother.
Its the same thing as if you approach a holo now and tell them "you will get new fans if you speak chinese!" - well yes they would, but they 1. dont want to risk losing their current big audience and 2. dont want to bother learning it and accommodating those possible fans.
While it is true that, for example, some holos dont see as much risk to giving a few nods to koreans or spics, for example. So they just do enough they are comfortable with (which is not full pandering)

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Holo girls are all kinda losers and some are weirdos. Niji girls seem pretty normal. No Niji girl wants to join your mental asylum for marginal monetary gains. There will never be another hop between companies so stop drooling. I don't know you even want them, you can watch then anytime you want in Nijisanji. Why not hope hololive gets you something new lol

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>>13361302
I would like to point out most holos don't even post chat rules in other languages nowadays. Some nijis still do. Why? Dunno, I'm not smart enough to figure it out.

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>>13361319
>Holo girls are all kinda losers and some are weirdos.
Meh. Sounds like a full load of rrats you have there. Niji and Holos all came from the same people pool of NND content creators that mostly worked together and are still working together. Your "mental asylum" sounds like cope because you want to believe that your chuuba has a definite reason why they are not as successful compared to your average Holo.

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>>13361319
A free (You) on the house. Anyway number from Saruei new outfit reveal

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>>13361319
NIJICOEP

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>>13353490
>12 Holos vs 11 Nijis
>5-5 in Top 10
But since Nijis won the gold, they can really claim the day

>>13360783
If Aqua wouldn't be counted this month i guess and Korone only streamed 4 times (will she be included?)
Also is Ironmouse the biggest VShojo? (i have no idea)

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>>13359773
I think there are four sets of viewers we need to consider:
1) Oshi loyalists. These are people that usually have one oshi that they absolutely follow with maybe a couple of others that they like. They only really care about their oshi and will follow him/her to the ends of the earth (ex. tatsunoko). They like it when their oshi gets support/special events and don't like it when they perceive their oshi is not getting supported properly. They also are the main source of revenue.
2) Brand loyalists: These are people that like the ecosystem in general and usually have a number of different people in their org that they try to follow. They don't necessarily mind people branching out to other groups (tribalists are a subgroup of this type) but they are more interested in a brand or ecosystem. Some of these convert into Oshi loyalists over time.
3) Casual viewers: these are people that just watch whatever they're interested in, maybe they have a couple of favorites but as long as they're playing Minecraft/Apex/whatever they will watch. Some of these may convert into Oshi loyalists but very rarely will they convert to brand loyalists.
4) New viewers. These are people who may potentially be exposed to the overall concept now necessarily because they are interested but because they were exposed to it somehow. Usually this takes the form of some large event that just draws attention, whether it be a viral clip, the curse of the algorithm, or a large coordinated event. The type of content that tends to be the most interesting for them would be things that are relatively easy to connect with-namely concerts, music, variety/talk shows, human relationship drama, etc. "Basic" mainstream content, in other words. They would not necessarily be interested in things like game tournaments, which are more likely to draw casual viewers (3) instead. This is the main area for growth because the universe is less well defined and people are perennially bored.
The current market environment is that 4) is currently competing for content with a whole bunch of other media providers (ex. streaming services, movies, etc.). It requires large effort to reach out to these people directly other than benefitting from a viral clip. Partly due to the saturation of the market, clips are also less common as the algorithm is a bit more confused given the surplus of groups to favor any particular group as it did back in early 2020. I remember being recommended numerous Suisei clips before seeing anything vtuber related back then, and now I haven't seen one in the past year.
As a result, there are two dominant strategies for growth: either 1) wait until the market winds are blowing your way again, and focus on consolidating your type 1 and type 2 viewers (through either giving them big concerts or events), or 2) invest heavily in large scale productions to compete for type 4 viewers against the other media sources. I think that Cover's strategy at the moment is to consolidate resources for a big push for the type 4 viewers right now while simultaneously pleasing 1) and 2). Nijisanji on the other hand seems to be less certain with its footing as it seems to be trying to expand towards 1) and 3), which requires less capital investment but 3) viewers are not loyal and the heavy focus on 1) has resulted in a backlog of 3D, which only serves to piss off those fans whose oshi are behind on the queue. It's possible that Cover's strategy of 1) will not pay off either, but both companies are certainly trying to do something until market winds blow their way again. The likely cause for this I suspect will be due to a perpetuation of the supply-chain crisis we see in the global economy as digital services like streaming become "cheaper" compared to more extensive productions like film, anime and TV series.

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>>13360488
Irys was actually a regular streamer for several months prior to being Irys. She also did occasional streams without a chuuba model as well prior to that. She has more experience than all of Myth except for Ame when it comes to streaming. She wasn't hired for that alone though obviously since she is the Vsinger but you can tell that they weren't just trying to hire someone with good voice since Irys checks a lot of the boxes of what a good streamer can be. Being a Holo Vtuber though has more to do about their content potential rather than just their streaming experience alone.

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>>13361532
>>13361559
>>13361683
I am a hololive fan. I'm just saying it's a worthless exercise because you can watch them in Nijisanji.

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>>13361848
>I have nothing of value to contribute to the discussion so let me just pollute the thread with my farts

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>>13361955
It's a pointless discussion because none of those girls in Nijisanji would ever get better than what they have in Nijisanji. They would never pull the trigger themselves and Cover would never recruit them.

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>>13361487
>I would like to point out most holos don't even post chat rules in other languages nowadays. Some nijis still do
You are correct, but on a technicality.
Most girls dropped the "rules" altogether (JP or translated), including the "THE GIRLS DID NOTHING WRONG IF THEY GET TRICKED THEY DON'T MEAN IT" disclaimer from Cover.

Seems like Cover dropped that figleaf and are confident the girls are not as dumb as they used to be

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>>13361823
The only way now to punch above your limit when it comes New viewers is collabing with new games that have their own cult following or getting a studio to make an anime based off from their own chuubas.

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>>13362014
both anykara and cover are too weak to consider poaching the best talents. That's why Sony will beat them both in the end - theyll stop at nothing and force their way through.

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>>13361738
>Also is Ironmouse the biggest VShojo? (i have no idea)
She doesn't have a 10k average (stands at 7.4k for november so far), let alone median

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>>13361823
>3) Casual viewers: Some of these may convert into Oshi loyalists but very rarely will they convert to brand loyalists.

Dunno, I think Hololive's success was built largely on their ability to turn casual clipwatchers into brand loyalists. Although, as you maybe wanted to say with your Suisei example, at the time of the boom the difference between casuals and new viewers was very thin indeed with new people coming in constantly. However, Hololive's comparatively higher interconnectedness and "big happy family" dynamic no doubt played a huge role in making people watch Hololive clips and then streams instead of just vtuber clips. And I think it could keep working in their favour in the future, although with every new generation it is going to get tougher.

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Here are some interesting numbers for HoloEN vs. VShojo, average CCV (November 2021). The format is
>average :: vtuberid (company, hours streamed)

Here is the list
>17545 :: gura (hololive, 22 hours)
>9383 :: kronii (hololive, 17 hours)
>9280 :: nyanners (vshojo, 52 hours)
>9154 :: inanis (hololive, 23 hours)
>8975 :: irys (hololive, 58 hours)
>8854 :: baelz (hololive, 28 hours)
>8300 :: mumei (hololive, 31 hours)
>7878 :: ironmouse (vshojo, 79 hours)
>7790 :: veibae (vshojo, 88 hours)
>7589 :: calliope (hololive, 72 hours)
>7497 :: amelia (hololive, 27 hours)
>6954 :: fauna (hololive, 23 hours)
>5474 :: kiara (hololive, 60 hours)
>4825 :: sana (hololive, 25 hours)
>3890 :: silvervale (vshojo, 28 hours)
>3374 :: zentreya (vshojo, 63 hours)
>3202 :: apricot (vshojo, 49 hours)
>3099 :: melody (vshojo, 39 hours)
>2228 :: hajime (vshojo, 8 hours)

Here is the same, sorted by hours
>7790 :: veibae (vshojo, 88 hours)
>7878 :: ironmouse (vshojo, 79 hours)
>7589 :: calliope (hololive, 72 hours)
>3374 :: zentreya (vshojo, 63 hours)
>5474 :: kiara (hololive, 60 hours)
>8975 :: irys (hololive, 58 hours)
>9280 :: nyanners (vshojo, 52 hours)
>3202 :: apricot (vshojo, 49 hours)
>3099 :: melody (vshojo, 39 hours)
>8300 :: mumei (hololive, 31 hours)
>8854 :: baelz (hololive, 28 hours)
>3890 :: silvervale (vshojo, 28 hours)
>7497 :: amelia (hololive, 27 hours)
>4825 :: sana (hololive, 25 hours)
>9154 :: inanis (hololive, 23 hours)
>6954 :: fauna (hololive, 23 hours)
>17545 :: gura (hololive, 22 hours)
>9383 :: kronii (hololive, 17 hours)
>2228 :: hajime (vshojo, 8 hours)

Goes to show that Nyanners is having a very good November, Veibae and Ironmouse would be mid-tier HoloEN and the rest of VShojo would be Selen tier NijiEN

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>>13363011
Two things that pop immediately to mind

1) Fucking Gura and ClockGirl, stream more damnit!
2) Calli surely found her stride this month
3) Irys is a machine whatever metrics you measure her
4) Nyanners surely had a great November
5) Ironmouse and Veibae seems to have reclined a little
6) The rest of vshojo other than the three above mentioned are NijiEN top tier at most and whenever people say "VShojo this or that" they clearly mean "Nyanners, Ironmouse and Veibae"

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>>13363011
58hrs for the Vsinger. Closest Holo is 31hrs. These Vtubers need to catch up.

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>>13363185
Eyesight reps anon?

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>>13363216
Why? It's true though. There is a big gap. Mori and Kiara are above 60 with Irys at 58. They are all followed by Vshojo girls. Closest is Mumei at 31. The girl who is currently dying trying to finish her Uni/Masters.

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>>13363011
>compares ccv from youtube and twitch
why do you even bother

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>>13363011
I've been wondering how 774, being the third biggest JP agency, does. I know it's probably too much to ask and, as always, you're already doing a great job bringing us numbers.

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>>13361017
I do think Chima would get from just 1 clip.

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>>13363331
Take it or leave it, these are the numbers released by each platform.

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>>13360551
Nui literally said that she didn't wnat to join hololive. There's a reason those girls joined njisanji and not hololive and it's not because they were refused but because they prefer the culture of nijisanji to holo. I saw many videos about Melissa, Nui and other members explaining their reasons to join and a lot of those reasons couldn't be made on hololive, like Melissa admitting she's a non-binary person and having her model changed to be more androgyn

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>>13363501
Chima's streams are 90% karaoke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13363525
i leave it

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>>13363554
>can't have X
>I never wanted X anyways..

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>>13363644
To be fair omegatranny only exist years after nijitranny

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>>13363166
I'm impressed hime has streamed for 8 hours this month

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>>13363471
Are they really the third biggest these days? Since vnuma's death it's harder to parse numbers of vtubers with less than 1000 viewers, especially if they're not in the two biggest companies or on Twitch.

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>>13363821
third biggest in japan is probably vspo, not 774

[Anonymous No.]

How would Tomoe fare in Hololive?

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>>13363984
I don't know anon, Patra is a hard carry for 774Inc. and depending on the stats she may get the whole company into #3 on her back.

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>>13363821
VSPO has quickly surpassed every other small company, they’re undeniably 3rd place.

>>13363525
Fuck off, don’t compare Twitch to YouTube numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13364211
comparing is fun
fun things are fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>13363166
>>13363011
now compare bilbili with twich

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HEY ANONS
>PREDICTIONS?

I'm curious to see how this stream will go, with the false start from yesterday and Gura frustration going around this was a blessing in disguise: most people now know she wants to play this game and scheduled it for today.
>Over/Under on 25k
I say it beats 25k, 30k and but not 35k

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>>13364596
I genuinely would but bilibili doesn't really have an "average CCV" type of metrics, only "social credit points" but for viewership.

Also there is no western streamer on Bilibili so that makes this point moot.

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>>13364610
25k

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>>13364610
nah wont reach 30k, but close

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>>13364610
Is this at the same time slot as nijis mk tournament?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13365212
One hour before the tournament.

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>>13361319
>my hikki that plays video games behind an anime avatar is more of a normalfag than yours, s-so that's why no one watches her
I wonder if these are legit niji arguments or falseflaggers? because damn

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>>13364751
>>13364813
>only overlap is Sana and Mori playing JRPG
>Pokemon got 27k
You guys are seriously understimating first time GTA. Fucking Ame got 20k on that.