do all vtubers secretly hate their fans?

[Anonymous No.]

i see this all the time. whenever they get slighty angry, they lash out at their fans, calling them losers for watching vtubers, like a angry gf using your insecurities against you in a argument. but not the haters in specific, they say to all her fans like they're all big losers who will eventually get angry at her instead of whiteknighting all her mistakes

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>>13076996
No, but all vtuber fans hate themselves.

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>>13076996
No, Ame loves me. Sorry your oshi is a useless gook.

[Anonymous No.]

Hatred is born from ignorance. The less a particular chuuba interacts with their fans, the more likely it is.

[Anonymous No.]

Must be an EN thing.

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>>13076996
have you seen how vtubers fans look irl? how would you feel if all your fans were landwhales getting angry at you for petty shit. only god and jesus' love are unconditional

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>>13076996
no, but i can asure you pic related definitely does

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>>13077048
Amelia has to be the one in HoloEN that dislikes her fans even more than Ina.

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>>13077105
that is why call them ENtrash

[Anonymous No.]

More like they hate us

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>>13077138
Show me a single instance where Ame has called her fans virgins, losers, incels, etc.

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>>13077102
In this case it's the opposite. The more they interact with their audience, the less they like them.
I'm sure they never expected their fans to be chads but when they went to those cons and the audience was 50% fat nerds you could see their enthusiasm wither and die. When they had to answer questions their attitude was completely different when it was an actual child or a normal looking fan, rather than a comic-book-guy lookalike.
That explains why all of HoloEN were colder than usual that week.

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>>13077172
Oo, we got a tough guy over here.

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>>13076996
No, but all Vtubers hate (You).

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>>13076996
Not really, it's just that a rotten apple spoils the whole barrel, (You) may be a good fan, but that doesn't mean that vtubers are not dealing with creepy fucks stalking them (on social media or in online games), trying to log into their accounts daily, sexually harrasing them, spaming retarded shit in the chat, making the same, lame joke for an entire year non-stop, etc.

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>>13077172
Chink

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>>13076996
Over time, I've learned that there's two kinds of people with regards to this. There's the majority who look at fanbases in general with the usual glass half empty approach, their feelings towards their fanbase equivalent to their feelings towards the weakest links of their fanbase. These people generally see things like exclusivity as a good thing, inherently believe things that are free or public are lower value. The people on whom marketing tricks like a game being worth $5 as opposed to $1 works on, because they believe that the difficulty to obtain something is an inherent gage of quality. This is most people.

But I've learned that somehow, there are some truly saint like people for whom this type of thinking just doesn't happen in. I'm not fully in their heads, so I can't speak for them, but it's as if they sort of background level omnipresent awareness of the worst qualities and the worst people of their fanbase doesn't exist. They can qcknowl3dge it if you remind them, but when they engage with their fanbase, it just doesn't factor into their emotional equation. Instead, they have a far more nuanced perspective on each and every interaction with their fans, but it a lot of the times seems predicated on just this deep sense of thankfulness and excitement for those interactions in the first place. Whether you're the first person or the 100th person to call them cute, they just don't seem to have that mental process in them that begins to make them feel like being called cute is less valuable after a lot of people do it.

Not just vtubing, mind you, it's a similar behavioural dichotomy I see in a lot of places.

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>>13077135
>only god and jesus' love are unconditional
>sends you to hell for not worshiping him
There seems to be a condition there.

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>>13077232
Who else do they expect to be going to cons though? Normie fan knows better than to spend time trapped in a room with fat sweaty nerds.

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>>13076996
>all
No.

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>>13076996
End of the day, Vtubing is a job. How many of you like the customers/clients you interact with at your job?

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>>13076996
I think Gura has always, at the very least, enjoyed her fans. One of the reasons as to why she is popular.

>like a angry gf using your insecurities against you in a argument

That's pretty accurate. The defining moment of elegance in a woman is when she realizes how much weight her words have, and when she learns how to hold her tongue., but this usually happens when they are much, much older.

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>>13077808
Being a streamer idol is hardly comparable to a retail job.

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>>13077887
both involved tard wrangling

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>>13076996
Dont watch EN then

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>>13077922
Everything else is completely different.

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>>13077922
>Streamers earn thousands of dollars just for casually playing videogames, and are showered in the praise of lonely strangers daily
>Retail workers earn the minimum and have to deal with the absolute dregs of humanity daily

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>>13077922
Relationships often involve tard wrangling your SO

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>>13077844
Gura says chat sucks and makes fun of them all the time though

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>>13076996
Anon chat can be retarded and that's not even a vtuber thing, sometimes they deserve the lash out

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>>13076996
I think nearly all Vtubers dislike or are impartial to their "fans", some hate. I think it's entirely possible for low views to like their viewers. But "viewers" and "fans" are differnet. When I watch a 20-200 view twitch streamer, their viewers are people and individuals. As viewers, they are actual people, who interact with the streamer, and aren't in any weird relationship with them, they're just some generally pleasant people you meet and you talk to them back.
The relationship of "fans" is different, fans are subordinate and defined by their like/love for the Vtuber; and the Vtuber often has to keep up parasocial relationships with them, and it falls outside of just the idea of treating them as actual people that are watching in a chat room. The larger the community develops, the less the individual, the less the human appears, and the more they exist purely as "fans" and are defined by their common noise. With fans being socially inept or children, with their only actions being "fans" in a relationship to you and not just normal humans talking to you, it becomes easy to resent them. Especially because they start to as fans talk for you, keep talking about you, start to define themselves with you, and make a bunch of demands/stress on you as the Vtuber. Some people like this. Other people love their fans and the attention. It depends on the person, but I can't imagine most well adjusted people liking their "fans".
It's much better for the streamer who just have viewers they treat as regular people, and not "fans".

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>>13076996
I think nearly all Vtubers dislike or are impartial to their "fans", some hate. I think it's entirely possible for low views to like their viewers. But "viewers" and "fans" are differnet. When I watch a 20-200 view twitch streamer, their viewers are people and individuals. As viewers, they are actual people, who interact with the streamer, and aren't in any weird relationship with them, they're just some generally pleasant people you meet and you talk to them back.
The relationship of "fans" is different, fans are subordinate and defined by their like/love for the Vtuber; and the Vtuber often has to keep up parasocial relationships with them, and it falls outside of just the idea of treating them as actual people that are watching in a chat room. The larger the community develops, the less the individual, the less the human appears, and the more they exist purely as "fans" and are defined by their common noise. With fans being socially inept or children, with their only actions being "fans" in a relationship to you and not just normal humans talking to you, it becomes easy to resent them. Especially because they start to as fans talk for you, keep talking about you, start to define themselves with you, and make a bunch of demands/stress on you as the Vtuber. Some people are like this and dislike their fans. Other people love their fans and the attention. It depends on the person, but I can't imagine most well adjusted people liking their "fans".
It's much better for the streamer who just have viewers they treat as regular people, and not "fans".

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>>13078438
>>13078487
I ain't reading all that. My oshi loves me anyway

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>>13079027
ok well your oshi can love you i was just saying in general i think a lot (of EN) resent their fans. jp is slightly more partial to their fans because they signed up to be idols and have that sort of attention. i mean iris is a halfu so idk what she's like so you probably know better

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>>13078124
Chat makes fun of her, she makes fun of chat. It's not one-sided insult flinging but, for lack of a better phrase, is just playful banter.

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>>13076996
If they started vtubing they're probably already a nerd themselves. If you know anything about (You)r oshi, whoever she may be, you'd probably realize she most likely wasn't the most popular girl in high school. I think it's normal to hate the most vocal, retarded part of your fanbase. It's not only vtuber specific, but big Twitch streamers have also voiced hating their most intense fans, who wouldn't? They're the ones sperging in chat breaking the mood for everyone, coming up with rrats, stalking on social media and on top of that they probably don't donate enough for it to be worth it. As for gachikois, it's literally impossible to like them, they are in every way as pathetic as it gets and are only used as paypigs. Vtubers and streamers like the fans with which they can have fun with, who watch streams and then go back to their lives. The normal fans, in other words.

[Anonymous No.]

Kinda different subject being talked about. But it's all the same in the end. WAKE THE FUCK UP!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTc-ydO0Bro

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly Mori was not a very good streamer to start with and her fans/chat kinda picked her up and carried her anyway. I think she appreciates that now.

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>>13080158
To be honest if you need an animoo girl to tell you that you shouldn't open up your wallets to random women online you probably deserve to be milked dry.

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Some vtubers are just scum. You can thank twitch culture for making it culturally acceptable for them to act like human trash but it's your own fault if put up with it even once.

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>>13076996
Hate is a strong word. It's probably more accurate to say they don't respect their fans, and when they look over and see graynames saying dumb shit, or go to conventions and see the dregs of society, can you really blame them?

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>>13080419
You call those convention nerds dregs? No those are bottom feeders. The REAL dregs of society are something far...far worse.

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>>13080312
> Twitch still leaving rent-free in /vt/'s head

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>>13077041
It's both

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>>13080540
who are you quoting?

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>>13080116
>Vtubers and streamers like the fans with which they can have fun with, who watch streams and then go back to their lives. The normal fans, in other words.
But literally nobody likes those people except for those people themselves
This is like saying everybody likes centrists
But everybody hates centrists except for centrists

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>>13076996
>being this much of a faggot what some chick hiding behind a anime picture says about you

Go outside, touch some grass or whatever. So what if your chuuba doesn't like her fans, why is that your problem? Not like you really know her anyways

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>>13080981
Maybe OP is a fag but I don't think question is a bad one

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The fans keep coming back and just see it as a joke, that''s why they do it, they know they can get away with it because most fans have no spine.
Ame's probably the best example of this, she can get away with anything.

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>>13080116
Some people shouldn't even be allowed to use chat. That much is true.

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>>13076996
Qrd? I keep seeing posts like this with Ina attached. What's Ina do?

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>>13076996
you are delusional and don’t have friends. if the vtubers hated their fans why tf wouldn’t they change up what they’re doing that attracts those fans? shut up

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>>13081428
Numbers. Numbers is money.

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>>13081369
Every post with Ina on /vt/ is a negative one. She's a new lists except no one bothers defending her

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>>13081369
Called her chat a bunch of losers because they were making fun of calli for being so bad when they did a collab for some fighting game. She later apologized the next stream.

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>>13076996
I'm at least a 99% that most of HoloEN unironically despise their fans on the basis of them likely being mostly white.
Same for NiggyEN.

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>>13081582
*99% sure
whoops

[Anonymous No.]

While i agree they probably dont like their fans, and is understandable( being a women and seeing everyone who likes you is a sperg and a social reject, it must made them feel weird), what else did they expect, is not like vtuber fans being losers and nerds is some huge secret. They should have expected this when they signed up for it.

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>>13077212
Not the same anon, but here's a clip of ame calling her fans "little walking banks"
https://youtu.be/m2e-aNwPwGs

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>>13081765
Fuck, I forgot about that. Disregard what I said. EN is lost.

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>>13081877
I said that in the 1st 3 months after they debuted...you're just realizing this now?

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>>13080801
How can you think nobody likes normal fans? They're literally exactly what a content creator wants to see in their chat. Nobody likes the schizoid people who are obsessed with someone to the point of either venerating them or hating them for no reason. Just be normal, maybe drop a $5 supa to show your support and that's it. You can be supportive without being a total fucking psycho.

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>pippa not only seems above disliking her fans, she might be on the same level as them or even below and is aware of it
>she is currently getting hunted down by a gaggle of retards that want to get her fired over a stealthy joke
Why can't we have nice things?

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>>13082451
You're being too reasonable.

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>>13077105
>>13077172
This.
The difference between JP and EN is that the JP girls are not going to attack you personally, but rather your actions. If you act like a degenerate they will call you out on the act, on the other hand EN will make sure to personally shame you for "watching anime girls".

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>>13076996
Only (Western) indies love their fans. This includes Kson.

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>>13082556
Yeah I guess so, I don't know why people come on here asking questions like these. This board is filled to the brim with autistic people and schizos. It should serve as proof that /vt/ has literally never been right about anything ever. It constantly over reacts to just about anything and deforms reality and facts to the point that the actual events being discussed on here are unrecognizable.

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>>13082667
But 'watching anime girls' is an action

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>>13082731
>It constantly over reacts to just about anything and deforms reality and facts to the point that the actual events being discussed on here are unrecognizable
Imagine how fucking boring this board would be if all discussion was "reasonable" and "level-headed". Go to Reddit if you dislike wild conspiracy theories and drama.

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>>13082832
kek I wouldn't be here if I disliked them. I'm just pointing out that asking a question on here and expecting actual answers is useless.

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>>13082940
Expect these nutz, nigger ;-)

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>>13081369
>be playing Strive with Mori
>Mori fucking sucks at it (as expected) even though she's supposed to be coaching Ina, and her chat predictably shits on her
>Ina shits back on chat
>shitposters took this and ran with it because they never really managed to find a good angle to shit on Ina until now

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>>13082940
If you're so much better than everyone else in /vt/ then why are you still here?

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>>13083246
I'm not better, I've spread more rrats on here than I assume most people in this thread.

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>>13082805
haha...... good one >o<b

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>>13079027
Irystocucks are so fucking stupid

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>>13080158
Based

>>13080282
Even more based

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>>13081224
ame is a sweetheart, she's just bipolar

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>>13081514
Nice way of twisting the scenario. It wasn't her chat she was calling out by the way. It was a small subset of Calli's. Looks like you were one of the ones that got butt hurt, and deservedly so if that's the case.

Also, Ina has been to conventions before, several. She wasn't just already familiar with the type of people that show up. She IS one of those convention going nerds. People make up such wild and stupid stories here.

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>>13080312
>t. has never been on ニコ生 and thinks twitch is bad

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>>13084992
Ame is an insane cunt with 0 self control.
She's the kind of person that needs actual supervision or they'll find her by the stench after she has a massive allergy attack someday.

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>>13085036
>coping this hard
>n-no ina doesn't hate me

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>>13081514
Actually its worse, she said "you're watching an anime girl on the weekends" implying thats somethingf to be ashamed off, she insulted anyone that watches vtubers.
>>13083228
This is true, ina is the worlds best cure for insomnia so there's nothing to really "attack" her over, she's to boring for that.

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>>13076996
They just hate (You)

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>>13080116
Hoshiyomis are always right

[Anonymous No.]

Ina doesn't hate me specifically. I don't know about the rest of you fags.

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Chubbas see 'chat' as a singular entity when they get mad, but a million different people when their supas dry up

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>>13085944
She does because you're watching anime girls instead of doing something productive. Ina unironically only tolerate men that wouldn't have time to watch her.

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>>13076996
i wonder if Haachama hates her fans

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>>13086263
> source: Anon's ass.

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>>13076996
>itt: peoples first time ever interacting with streamers

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>>13086750
According to this thread, she does. According to common sense, she doesn't.

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>>13086750
>>13089022
Haachama is japaneses so she love haatons

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bump

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>>13089165
ywnbj

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>>13076996
only your oshi, the rest are chill.

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>>13076996
Most indie love their fan. Take the indie pill. The smaller their view are, the more love they give

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>>13077212
she's passive agresssive type anon https://youtu.be/IwzDINOI5K0

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>>13085036
You have fucking issues if you need to cope THIS fucking hard dude. I have never once posted rrats or whatever the fuck you call it here. I call it as I see it. Get over it you stupid ass brony.

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>>13092528
She's based as fuck in that clip

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>>13094111
yep she's based but with this mindset she should graduate from the company

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My oshi dont even wait to get angry she just make fun of her fans for fun becasue she knows she can get away with it
https://streamable.com/gxpul6