Are Holostars just untalented?

[Anonymous No.]

A lot of people seem to be under the impression that Holostars' lack of growth is due to their lack of exposure.
But is that really the case? Let's take a look at some excuses that are given for their current state as a group.
>Hololive never promotes them!
But they do. The official Twitter retweets all of their major events. Even the first concert announcement, which should've been huge, only got a little over 10k likes.
>The Hololive girls should collab with them!
But they do. And the streams still get no views.
>They should collab with Nijisanji members instead! That's whose audience really wants to watch males!
But they DO. And they STILL get no views.
Even ignoring numbers, most Holostars members can't sing despite being in an idol group.
They can't dance. They're not even funny.
I think it might be time to stop the excuses and accept that Holostars' lack of growth is due to their own lack of talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12558115
are you faggots still mad about Subaru's anniversary or something?

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>>12558171
why she doesn't invite maimoto for a collab though? is she afraid of unicorns? stabbed him in the back after she got popular and ignored all the times he supported her in the beginning, traitor

[Anonymous No.]

you prob should make a wider comparison to nijimales and other companies

[Anonymous No.]

>>12558115
>Holostars' lack of growth is due to their own lack of talent.
Thought so, even indie like Tenkai Tsukasa, that fuckboy from VOM, that fuckboy that always playing with Nose, Hal etc...can find their audience, Holostar is still has a silver place gave to them compared to these indies

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>>12558270
She was the one who supported him in the first place, retard

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>>12558115
You fucking retard, it's this simple. Hololive are girl idols, almost their entire audience is male. Holostars are male idols, but where the fuck are they gonna get their audience from? The mistake was when they launched Holostars as a male version of hololive when they shouldn't have had the holo- name at all.

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>>12558390
then dropped him like trash, good friend

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>>12558394
That's why I included the fact that they've collabed with Nijisanji as well, retardchama. Nijisanji fans like males. But they still don't watch Holostars after being exposed to them. Why is that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12558115
Honestly, maybe? You'd think if they were halfway decent *some* Japanese would watch them. It's not like it's impossible to know they exist.

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>>12558390
Don't mind him, just a dramafag

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>>12558430
Because most people watching Nijimales have little interest in male idols

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>>12558474
It's not like Holostars act particularly idol-like. Hololive has found a significant audience among people who don't care for idols to begin with simply because of their personalities. If their talent and entertainment abilities stood out enough their status as idols wouldn't matter.

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>>12558430
They're simply boring, even Roberu that is part of Tamaki's clique can't grow either, and that's the guy Starfags shill the most as "the super fun" and "good one of the bunch".

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>>12558115
It's more like about restriction. Most holostar only do what girls allowed to do, like game permission, being sfw and generic contents. Their original content is kind of limited.
Niji males can do yabai things, stream unique games they pick for themselves and discuss controversal topics.
Astel is apex champion, Rikka is good singer, winning son entertain his guest, white boi is a master at DbD, others can construct great buildings in mc.

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>>12558576
>can't grow either
what's the metric you're comparing them to here? Because the other man in that image, while he has a higher sub count, grows even slower. Is Maimoto boring too? What do you consider "good growth"

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>>12558407
Ui did the same to him too, good riddance

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>>12558751
The issue is with that praise anon is that there are talents do that do what Holo Star but better in the same space. Hololive has better singers, entertainers and Minecraft. As for DbD that is not really a buff game that will boost anyone to relevance and Apex is crowded as hell with top talents that Astel just blends into.

So, Holo Stars are dead in the water project with zero factors defining them against the competition with restrictions for that severely limit male talents potential to grow.

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>>12558818
?

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>>12558270
she broke up with him and he rebounded with Mea.

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>>12558332
>Thought so, even indie like Tenkai Tsukasa
Even though he's no longer with Nijisanji they still let her stream part of Koshien news on her channel and got invited to the main event. He was today in Luis's 3D debut too. All such exposure for someone who currently has nothing to do with Anycolor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12558115
Naw they're perceived as gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>12559172
*her=him

[Anonymous No.]

>>12558430
Niji males are not like the Holostars

[Anonymous No.]

Is this another "compare the top 10% of nijimales vs. the rest of Holostar, but ignore the rest of the 90% of Nijimales that aren't doing that good" thread? At best, Holostars are middling in the pool of male vtubers out there.

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>>12559293
Even mid-tier Nijimales do better than Holostars

[Anonymous No.]

>>12559350
Hajime is 90% of Nijisanji

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>>12558814
The other man has higher views than Roberu. The other man is also the one responsible for the biggest even on niji that gets over 200k people watching.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12559375
Hajime is literally the most hated member of Nijisanji, he's the Kiara, so no

[Anonymous No.]

>>12559405
yet after hosting an event with 200k watching, his subcount grows at a rate of 2k a month, which is worse than Miyabi.

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>>12559405
>The other man is also the one responsible for the biggest even on niji that gets over 200k people watching.
I like maimai but bringing that shit up is stupid and doesn't really contribute to the conversation, that's like those people who talk about Iofi's backstage work
>>12559426
I think he was being sarcastic

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>>12559492
Shame that those 2k people are not watching Miyabi.

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>>12558818
Ui talks with him on VC all the fucking time though? He's a random drop in to Tamaki's whore corner

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>>12558430
Nijisanji doesn't do a ton of box pushing, there's enough members of all varieties that the idea instead is that you should watch the members that interest you. it's no surprise that people aren't going to en masse adopt the Holostars like a box full of abandoned puppies just because they've interacted with Nijis.

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>>12558115
some of the homos get 1k avg which is pretty impressive. the others dont get a lot of views because they keep playing debuff games like Splatoon kek (Temma)

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>>12558115
Its far simpler than this : Hololive is EOP central, and EOPs don't want to watch males. JOPs watch males and Nijisanji is JOP central, thus niji males are more popular.

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>>12559504
You're the one that brought him up, Maimoto is contributing to nijis growth, what about Roberu?

[Anonymous No.]

Its not exposure or talent
The vast majority of idoltards just only want female idols. The game stream watchers who watch males are mostly going to watch people with webcams anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>12558751
>yabai things
Like what? Both Niji guys and Holostars have done 3D wrestling type shit (sure, not lubed up like Niji guys were, but still play fighting in 3D)
Oga and Shien have borderline nsfw ASMR, actually more tame than Niji guys who just do ear pick stuff (Masaru has RP asmr but still). Oga literally is kissing the mic and saying I love you. ALL the boys talk about porn or jerking off. Astel is an open kemoshotacon. Roberu got on a collab and talked about the angle of his fucking penis.

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>>12558270
>why she doesn't invite maimoto for a collab though?
She has tho. The topic came up in her most recent marshmallow reading, Miamoto, UI and her had something planned but they couldn't make it work due to their schedules.
Subaru has been in a LOT of shilling related work as of recent on top of recording and rehearsal , while Ui had an anime and almost went deaf, the Oozora family will collab again whenever they can actually line up their schedules, it's not like Ui and Subaru collab every other week, it's true that they do collab but you also have to take into account that they're way closer to each other than either are to Maimoto who also happens to have his own group of friends

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>>12558332
Can you keep the Nijimales out of this bait thread?
>>12558115
This bait just wants to create conflict between stars fans and Nijifans. I don't have all the time in the world so I mostly watch my oshi.
I don't avoid the stars on purpose or out of a weird sense of tribalism. I simply don't have time for every vtuber or the emotional capacity to care about every single one.
If it makes you feel better, I watch Astel's karaoke/apex streams occasionally.

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>>12558115
>The Hololive girls should collab with them!
>But they do. And the streams still get no views.

2 out of 32 regularly collab with them with 3 or so more willing to do it once in a blue moon. The rest avoid them like the plague with some being outright hostile to the idea of collabing with them (Rushia, Pekora, Miko, etc). Towa is literally the only one post gen 2 that even follows any on Twitter (unless you count Coco and Watame following the fired Beyblade addict). The culture of separation is strong and it needs more than Fubuki and Matsuri to break that.

Not to say they’d suddenly get massive if the rest of Hololive collabed with them, but they probably wouldn’t be as unknown as they are now.

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>>12559728
Oops meant to reply to this >>12558284
first

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>>12559608
You're confusing me with another anon. I think that there simply isn't an audience for the Holostars as they currenrly are with the Holo- branding. Never mentioned Maimoto
>>12559640
I don't think Masaru REALLY counts as a guy

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>>12559375
Hajime is literally THE single most unpopular member of Nijisanji and like half his audience only watches him out of spite

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>>12559760
>Towa is literally the only one post gen 2 that even follows any on Twitter (unless you count Coco and Watame following the fired Beyblade addict). The culture of separation is strong and it needs more than Fubuki and Matsuri to break that.
Mori collabed with Rikka, everyone in EN and ID follows them, Gura even said she's a huge fan of Izuru's singing

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>>12558430
>>12558394
>>12558474
Idol shit doesn't seem like a filtering factor to me when it comes to males. People who watch certain Nijimales (whether it's the most popular ones or lower tier ones) are already exposed to singing/dancing type stuff, and once again, idol =/= unicorn atmosphere or hating the opposite gender, as both sides freely collab with women and men and do teetee if they want. Both companies have a good portion who want to be on stage or have dreams that they're chasing with their fans support, aka male idol. Even utaites fit under this, who I also follow.
I just don't really feel like watching Holostars regularly. That's all. I follow way too many fucking vtubers/people to watch everyone, plus they all stream when my oshis are live. I catch up with clips (which are kind of meh quality in JP and EN) or listen to their covers. I also want to buy a ticket to the internet viewing of their 3D live. But I'm not going to contribute to their Youtube CCV regularly.
>>12559848
He may get shit CCV and have people who drop in just to dislike his streams but people still like him and he's still an important part of Nijisanji, unless everyone here is just hate-waving their lightsticks.

[Anonymous No.]

low quality bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>12558115
They're not awful. But they're a MALE ONLY group, meaning that you have to stick with the dynamics that male only groups provide, and of course there's a audience for that sort of content, but it's way smaller than for female only groups and there's already a dozen of other things pandering to them from Niji groups made of only boys like Royal flush, to utaite groups, or fictional groups like hype mic and when put in comparison the holostars don't offer anything interesting in comparison, They're a lukewarm group that appeals to a highly competitive market and doesn't do any efforts to stand out, like I'm sorry for the opinion but the Holostars are just lazy compared to their contemporaries

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>>12559350
Mid tier niji do miles better than holostars, I don't know what the fuck is that anon even shitposting about, because Pizza dad and Hajime have the same amount of views.

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>>12560177
>way smaller
I mean, Hypmic is huge (or used to be at the peak of its popularity) with several concerts, Strawberry prince all consist of 700k- 1 million sub channels, Idolish 7 has fucking huge venues, don't even get me started on Enstars autism, there are tons of male-only Japanese idols with music/character stuff that are super popular. This is i7 at Metlife Dome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NksVWQFVUqw
It's just that vtubing is newer to this area. Increasing, but newer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12558576
But they do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12560430
Stars are too half-assed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12558115
Yeah, all of them are boring, the only good homo was Kaoru.

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>>12560610
They're never going to live up to the type of quality of male idols that exist already and their daily content isn't anything male idolfags care about unless Stars are their oshis, but there's an audience for it, definitely. They can appeal to that audience if they wanted to.

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>>12559760
IDs keep collabing with them, and ENs gave them some exposure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12560653
The male idol angle for the Holostars was a huge mistake, they really should have just stuck to boys doing boys things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12559492
>implying anyone cares about dead subs or the homostar EOP kpop stan fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

>>12560870
But they are boys doing boy things. Male idols are not the same as female idols you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12560996
>can't even talk about porn, past gfs or even banter around swearing at each other
>can't even say chinko on stream
>oga wanted to play NKODICE so much that he had make his own censored version of the game, and in the end he never played it and only made the dev pissed
You're right, they're worse than the girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12560996
>But they are boys doing boy things.
The boys can't do boys things when they have 5 hours + of dance/singing lessons. Their streaming hours have been way less than they used to be due to the concert

[Anonymous No.]

>>12561306
That's pretty much the motto of the Holostars
"All the downsides of being in Hololive, none of the benefits!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>12561314
How has their content changed other than frequency? I didn't realize boys not doing boy things = being busy.
>>12561306
They talk about porn and fetishes, they talk about past gfs that's how we got the Izuru catfishing story, they swear at each other easily, they say chinchin, and Oga's thing had nothing to do with being an idol and everything to do with NKODICE dev having a fit on Twitter for 5 minutes, retracting it, and anti vtuber fags running with it.

[Anonymous No.]

Found the Subaru schizo, keep seething

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>>12562184
>How has their content changed other than frequency?
That it, there's less of it because of a bullshit concert no one wants

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>>12562301
>watch male idols
>they do idol things on the side
>wtf I don't want this
You know, you can hop on Twitch and watch that instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12562373
They're not idols

[Anonymous No.]

>>12562415

[Anonymous No.]

The funny thing about Holostars is that on this board they have a reputation as having a fanbase full of Kpop stans but in reality the western Kpop stans into VTubers still like Nijisanji males more rumao rumao

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>>12562184
Oga had to make a fangame because they weren't allowed to play NKODICE, don't change the history.

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>>12562640
Yeah and that isn't an idol thing it's a retarded Hololive thing, if they can play sausage joust but not a word game that spells pussy, that's Hololive's fault.

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>>12562692
What kind of cope is this.

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>>12562725
>they're restricted in saying certain words/playing certain games
>meanwhile talking about masturbation and porn and fetishes
Both things exist

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>>12562638
This is very true, the real kpopfags are all over Chronoir

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>>12562638
You never watched Izuru before.

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>>12562888
The exception proves the rule

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>>12562799
No one in holostars is even close to Festival level.

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>>12562959
So does Astel, right. Stop making shit up.

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>>12563053
Yes
It's not making stuff up as much as it is plain as day observations

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>>12562963
Why do they need to be? No male in Nijisanji is close to her level too, or the majority of male vtubers.

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>>12563189
>Hololive is the one restricting them
>Yet, Festival say and do much worse

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>>12563302
Can Festival play NKODICE? No.
Can anyone in Holopro talk about pee or shotas or lolis? Yes. But keep comparing the two as if it means anything.

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>>12562638
everyone likes niji more, that's why the homos are stuck at the bottom.

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>>12563359
>"Hololive is the one in the wrong for censoring them!"
>Festival can say manko or chinko
>"Well, it doesn't count, stop comparing them"
Meds.

[Anonymous No.]

They are male IDOLS, male streamers that say whatever shit and don’t have to respect fans GF/BF hallucinations are more popular than girls but in idols girls are more popular. Not saying that I don’t like it since I’m all in for them being idols just explaining the disparity.

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>>12560944
>homostar EOP kpop stan fanbase
And they will still think its only the unicorns that hate their guts

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>>12559760
>Two of the biggest gen 1 in their prime collabs with them
>No growth
>"I-If more of them collabs they will surely grow!""
Are you listening to yourself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12563189
>No male in Nijisanji is close to her level too
I dont even watch much Nijisanji and I know youre wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>12564293
Then show examples.

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>>12558430
Because fuck holo, that why, why would i get a view for a group that know for being a traitor, i know for a fact if holostar get lucky, they Will throw all nijifriend they had

[Anonymous No.]

>>12564774
Your English is so fucking bad I can tell that you're the same person every time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12564774
Pretty much this

[Anonymous No.]

>>12564774
>traitor
They don't owe your faggots anything. Unlike your faggots who keep using the girl's money .

[Anonymous No.]

wow there is somebody actually post their imaginary arguments with their imaginary opponents!

[Anonymous No.]

>>12564947
They don't owe me, they owe the nijimale they Leeching, i only watch them if they collab with nijimale i like, i Will never watch them outside of it

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>12564774
Holy ESL

[Anonymous No.]

Look at them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12566137
holy fug that's cute

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>>12558115
It’s true Holostars members tend to be simply “boring”, or more like the way I’d put it is only a few of them really have enough of a streaming presence needed to engage an audience

But I think another huge part of their unpopularity, is their lack of bearing in the vtuber world
All those male indies people point to who are popular, they had the head start of debuting right when vtubing was still in the blossoming stage, not to mention had the opportunity to make an even bigger name for themselves by collabing with and befriending each other and other big names in the community, and participating in (and holding themselves) its large events

Whereas Holostars were just kind of secluded to themselves aside from the occasional feature in an outside collab or event here and there (of which they never really held any significance in). They don’t really feel have much presence

Not to say it’s impossible to grow on your own, nor is it the only factor. But connections are important. And just collabing here and there doesn’t count, you need to actually fit yourself into a niche you’re interacting with and exposing your assets to often. That’s part of the reason Roberu is as popular as he is

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>>12566407
Astel literally has the chance to branch out and join the higher ranks of Apex chuubas but he refuses, before the concert was announced even so being busy is no excuse, he says so many people contact him to play yet he chose to play with Hololive girls. Good for unity, bad for expanding the reach of his name. It was amazing to see RBC's chat be flooded with ASTEL IS SO UNDERRATED WHY DOESN'T ANYONE WATCH HIM then see his view count not budge after that tourney.

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>>12558115
because having holo attached to them is a huge debuff

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>>12564567
https://youtu.be/txm975xeBw8

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>>12566506
>It was amazing
It's not.

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>>12566765
Same, dont know why these people are so amazed by virtue signaling people saviourfaging but probably dont watch streams.

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>>12566765
It amazed me because I don't go into Hologirls chats, I didn't think they'd actually act like what people say Redditors act like

[Anonymous No.]

>>12558115
>Are Holostars just untalented?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUNbANUihwc&t
No you faggot, and yeah i know this is a bait i just wanted to share my Oshi's amazing singing.

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>>12558115
>Even the first concert announcement, which should've been huge, only got a little over 10k likes
But that's huge? It's nothing compared to the Holo but that's probably more likes than any niji can get.

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>>12567796
Ok but that doesn't translate to stream views. He is very talented in singing and music but that's it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12558871
>Hololive has better singers
Objectively incorrect, Rikka is quite literally the best most experienced singer in the entire company, even people that hate the stars recognize this

[Anonymous No.]

Holostars are literally in the top 1% of chuubers and more importantly they 'work' because they're Japanese and can get sponsorships from Japanese companies, which is also why there will never be a Holostars EN or Holostars global because the only other countries where you can advertise anime in the open like that are east asian ones and china is a giant dictatorship of trannies who hate sex now.

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>>12558115
I'm tired of you fucking faggots with your bad faith arguments.
If you weren't a complete new fag you'd know that before their modest popularity boost cover did fuck all to promote them

Only ID and fubuki regularly collab with them with matsuri sometimes jumping in and even if ALL of them collabed with them it wouldn't help because unicorn fags HATE male vtubers so your argument.

And finally the ones that due collab with nijisanji get similar numbers and have been growing respectably.

Holostars problem is that they are constantly fighting the stigma of being male hololive. Because faggots like (YOU) are mentally deranged and go out of your way to shit on them and write narratives up the ass about how they should just stop streaming because obviously nobody cares about them. EOPS and JOPS see a group of male idols and think, "I'm not gay, I like cute girls" and promptly ignore holostars. That's what's fucking going on. Those mother fuckers clawed their way to the top and are finally receiving some of the recognition they deserve, to the point that cover finally feels like investing in them, but purposefully obtuse faggots like you will keep shitting on them, claiming they aren't popular enough. No fuck you, they're doing fine and have been gaining steam steadily. They aren't producing autistic unicorn numbers but they're still in the top of vtuber world that many indie 2 views could only dream of.

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>>12569057
>They aren't producing autistic unicorn numbers but they're still in the top of vtuber world that many indie 2 views could only dream of.
This is the key part numberfags just don't understand, getting 3 digits consistently literally puts you in the 10% of all chuubas, they just see the success stories and forget all the hundreds of Chuubas that fight to get even 10 consistent viewers, they massively lack perspective

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>>12569057
Yeah that's why they're indies, not shit idiot. For corporate vtubers who have been streaming for as long as the stars have been streaming is honestly fucking embarrassing and Cover pumping so much money into them is straight up throwing it in the trash

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>>12569057
Explain why Niji guys get better numbers while doing less

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>>12569057
I mean, with people like you replying to every single bait thread, why would they stop? Doesn't help your case to show up crying every time someone says something mean about the stars, ranting about how they're actually suuuuuuuper successful and poggers.
Anyone actually confident and proud of their oshis would simply ignore all the retards, yet homofags always take the bait without fail

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>>12558115
>Are Holostars just untalented?
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>12570319
>nooo you can't just reply

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>>12570164
Because they got the established fanbase, top notch design and can play shit ton of apex not just with Nijisanji but with other people outside their group as well.

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>>12558115
>They're idols but outside of rikka, astel and izuru, they can't sing.
all of strawberry prince can sing although their timbre are nothing special. They don't stream as frequently as Holostars which is more bearable for their majority female fans.
>They're streamer but their idol tag is filtering majority hetero JP normie males away. Nijisanji don't have this problem, eventhough they're doing idolshit too because it's done in moderate amount, and not the image for the whole agency.
Summary, their concept and image are half-assed, same shit with Hololive. But Hololive works because as streamers or idols, theie target main demographic is the same : hetero males

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>>12568589
So IRyS isn't?

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>>12569057
>cover did fuck all to promote them
Literally more sponsorship than EN, ID and low tier holos.
>8 people keep collabing with my homos but that's not enough
How many more, beggar?
>Because faggots like (YOU) are mentally deranged and go out of your way to shit on them
Nothing on this board, or /jp/, matters. homofags did more damage by keep begging on twitter, reddit and youtube.
>EOPS and JOPS see a group of male idols and think, "I'm not gay, I like cute girls" and promptly ignore holostars.
There's nothing wrong with that.
>to the point that cover finally feels like investing in them
Cover always invest in them, especially YAGOO who keep wasting money on them.

Kill yourself already, pathetic homofag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12559848
>>12559426
Did i miss something? did he do anything else besides the mito thing, or was that enough to set everyone off forever?

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>>12575624
based

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>>12575624
>homofags did more damage by keep begging on twitter, reddit and youtube.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210310101916/https://twitter.com/himemoriluna/status/1369593638611603462

[Anonymous No.]

>>12575937
Friendly reminder that the faggot deleted his account

[Anonymous No.]

The girls I watch do collabs with niji males sometimes, and they seem pretty charismatic. They can also speak English which is nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO4Yk1JOtL4&t=4470

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>>12575624
I can't believe I'm on the Pekoposter's side this time

[Anonymous No.]

>>12575937
If even the least unicorn fanbase in this website dont want to associate with beggars you know they're the problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>12574408
IRyS isn't even part of the top 5 singers in hololive in my opinion. She's good but nothing special.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12579155
what's your top 5?

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>>12578745
Because Holo Star-stans are legitimately damaged in the head. They feel that because HOLO is their name that they MUST be popular so that Holo Stars EN has a chance. When Cover has already failed Hololive EN. When the EN branch is already second class, why clamour for more?

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>>12575624
This.
I like and watch Holostars, but Holostars fans are always saying this myth that cover didn't support them enough when HoloID and HoloEn are also neglected. Collab with beverage brands and restaurants? Never heard of that with HoloID and HoloEn. They're in this together, neglected together, but they have the audacity to complain about resources when Holostars didn't earn as much as HoloEN.

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>>12584004
I think the support should be appropriate with their earnings

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>>12575624
>Literally more sponsorship than EN
you
lol yea sure

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>>12584650
I wish I can chug on my Gura's sake right fucking now.

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>>12584289
>I think the support should be appropriate with their earnings
Then holostars earn more support than entire hololive combined.

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>>12584004
>brand and cafe collab
Not disputing the point in general but how is that supposed to have anything to do with Cover support, isn't the outside brand's own initiative considerably more relevant? As for why Japanese brands are more likely to work with Stars than Indonesian brands with ID or Western brands with EN is something you can ask to the corporations.

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>>12586726
>outside brand's own initiative
Not always, example: NijiID
Cover is doing a pisspoor market research and support. Even to this day HoloID still don't have a local donation platform eventhough the talent themselves are asking for it. (Info from HoloID community tab and /moon/)

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>>12584289
Cover is doing exactly that. Holostars need all the help they can get while HoloEN is already on the top of vtuber world so they don't need any support.

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>>12587873
yeah this is one thing you could learn from nijiID, the staff there unironically made that one local donation platform better than competitor solely by meeting nijiID's "demand", on the first month of nijiID using them there were many bug and mishap happens, the servers also couldn't handle the amount of donations lmao, not to mention the lack of features
now you can even buy voice content or whatever from there

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>>12589173
It has been proven time and time again that no matter how much money think sink into them the holostars just keep on failing. Give them all the handouts in the word that's not going to change anything that's why they can have 5 person 3d collabs and not even break 4k

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>>12584004
But TacoBell!

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>>12559640
the rumours, the rrat, swearing, cursing, depraved fantasies, ex stories, aggressive roleplaying,... Focus on quality not quantity. Girls loves bad boys, not goodie two shoes nice guy

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>>12597034
Did you even read that post, they still talk about some of that shit other than femcel tier "rrats"

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>>12558115
Everything you said is the truth but beggars will deny it

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>>12558115
No, no one but girls watched the.

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>>12592077
Not even 10k, kek.

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>>12558115
>suffer from lack of exposure
>your fans are so retarded all the exposure they give you amounts to "he fucks all the female vtubers"
>no one watches
You live and die by your fans. You need fans that clip your shit and get it popular and you need to quiet the retards doing negative shit.

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>>12558115
Big rrat

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>>12611772
>your fans are so retarded all the exposure they give you amounts to "he fucks all the female vtubers"
Sadly thats how they shill their best boy too. Sora called his Totsumachi and Tweeted about his 3D? They're definitely fucking. Suisei did a radio caollab with him that no one here watches and collabbed for a less than an hour paid shilling stream? Sex sex sex sex! Did a cover with Matsuri? WINNING HOMOCHAD DOMINATION XD.

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>>12614722
And those faggots aren't falseflaggers...

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>>12559848
Funny that he still can have a spot in a 3D event with their poster children JKgumi Mito/Rin/Kaede, you can't have that luzury with holostar

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>>12614722
>My oshi is a popular chad who fucks popular girls
>Compensating for the lack of actual CCV and superchat numbers as proofs of "popularity"
These fans are unironic cuck tween girls or self-insert dudes. Holostars is "unpopular", fans just need to accept it.

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>>12558115
fuck the leeches

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>>12559492
Jps won't Collab with them. But en culture is entirely different. I expect more en collabs in the future. Jps genuinely feel that if they Collab with males they will lose viewership. Noel said this quite plainly. After all they see themselves as idols first. En sees themselves as entertainers first and idols a far far second. So it's not a big deal. Of course en management are Japs so they try to constrain en from collabs with holostars.
I think it's a shame because holostars are really funny and your oshi talking to and playing a game with a holostar doesn't mean they're dating or fucking.
However incels cannot take the idea of their oshi with anyone else but them, even if she's blowing kisses to other guys who send her red supers.

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>>12559601
Correction, don't want to watch japanese males, thry are already doing the effort for the girls

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>>12615337
i know right? i still remember those double /stars/ threads. one with robebae cuck image and another one with sleeping starsmem image. i was like "you are all real starsfans and not some falseflaggers, wtf?"

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>>12559580
Temma is actually a good entertainer because he can decently speak English well but you're right about him playing only Nintoddler games and nothing else (he did play apex the other day). He's my stars oshi but he needs a good buff game.

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>>12611772
>>12614722
>>12616816
>>12619621
There's nothing wrong with that. Maimoto's selling point is literally him being able to fuck all the girls too and he's one of the top Niji.

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they should have big boobied female alts

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>>12558115
remember when noel and cardboard got shat on by homostans? shit was dope

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When I watch a Holostars stream, I feel like I'm watching top tier gay content. Their voices are gay, their models look gay, I understand it's probably fine with a Japanese audience but it's filtering me big time. When I watch a Nijimale, it just feels like I'm watching a normal streamer with an avatar on. Hololive is an all girls idol groups and thus caters a mostly male audience, Holostars is an all male idol group and thus caters to a female audience, thing is, there aren't enough females that watch vtubers. Remove the idol shit, rebrand Holostars with a name that sounds less like total shit, give them proper models, Shien has fucking cat ears. I will not watch a dude with a model that has cat ears, it's not cute. If I want to watch cute shit, I'll watch Hololive. Just let them be men, stop trying to cut their balls off.

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>>12558115
No. Rikka's so talented he lives rent free in Mori's head. The issue is that male idols are a small niche for women and gays who like handsome men whose only appeal is being handsome men.

Straight guys have nothing to gain from the holostars. We don't into parasocial friendships. Every guy watching a female. chuba wants to dick that anime girl. No exceptions. And nijimales excel on the gamer bro entertainment angle, not the idol talent angle, the former of which is something guys are more interested in watching. Holostars are uniornically both leeching from and strangled by their brand.

But in the end, the idol schtick isn't even necessary because every guy who's successful can be sold as an "idol" to people in general. The best male idol is someone guys want to be like and women want to be with. That's not idolish males. It's men who are strong, brave, courageous and undaunted in the face of adversity. Men who are larger than life and can leap tall buildings in a single bound. Men who can bench press two long haul trailers without breaking a sweat. Men who are so unrealisticly based that you'd think they couldn't possibly exist in real life. That's a true male idol. You could also consider that kind of character something of a "super" man if you will. Pic related, obviously.

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>>12558115

Honestly there are just two big factors and neither of them are directly related to whether or not the stars are good or not.

1. There's no EN. Hololive as a whole absolutely exploded with HoloEN bringing in a western audience and apart from some outliers you can see a huge difference in viewer numbers between the talents who try to cater to an English audience and the ones who don't bother at all. The smart talents took advantage of this and ran with it. Notice how Korone had long Saturday morning streamers after EN debut and did stuff like the English only Mario? She's good and knew exactly what she was doing, helped her grow a ton and she doesn't need to do it nearly as often now.

Holostars make no attempts to cater to a western audience. Go to Aruran channel and look at his most watched videos. Outside of songs and big collabs it's all his 'Teach me English' stuff. If he dove deeper into that he would've grown as a result.

2. They're men in a industry where women get more views. If a man and a woman are streaming the same game and are playing at the same skill level and are both entertaining, the woman is going to have 10x the views. This goes for Twitch, Youtube, webcam streamers, vtubers, all of it. It's just what most of the audience wants to see and they can't do anything about that. You can still make it as a male but you need to either be a trainwreck that people can't look away from (which doesn't work for a company talent, but does for western webcam streamers) or you have to be 10x more entertaining or better at the game than your female colleague.

If Aruran had tits and a high pitched voice he'd be over a million subs just from the month he spent trying to learn English.

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>>12620467
Nijis aren't idols, they are cuckshit. Hololive is for idols.

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>>12620467
I never see Maimoto fags spams the board or generals though? Also Maimoto stays true to his selling point by regularly collabing with the girls and stood out in his collabs. Beggars start spamming the board after less than an hour paid shilling stream.

>>12618919
>After all they see themselves as idols first.
The most talented idols in Hololive all collab with guys before but ghosted Holostars for over a year. The ones who uses idol as excuses can't sing or dance for shit.

>>12621283
>There's no EN. Hololive as a whole absolutely exploded with HoloEN bringing in a western audience and apart from some outliers you can see a huge difference in viewer numbers between the talents who try to cater to an English audience and the ones who don't bother at all. The smart talents took advantage of this and ran with it.
Most of the ones who are so deep in chasing EOP audiences to the point of posting in Reddit are mid tier Holos except Watame, Coco and Kanata. And even then Watame is still a bit below Suisei who dont really bother pandering to EOPs, while people still make fun of Kanata of being a leech until today. Ayame never gives a shit about pandering to anyone either.

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>>12621964
>Hi Honey
Also to be fair Ayame doesn't really do much ay all.

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>>12621201
BASED opinion
you don't need to be an idol to be idolized.
>Holostars are uniornically both leeching from and strangled by their brand.
Holostars mainly pull female and gay viewers.
Nijisanji can pull females, kids, hetero males and gay bi males.
that's it guys, we solved holostars source of unpopularity, now close this thread and send these posts to Cover's interns or omegatranny

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>>12622130
>said once in the Duolingo streams and in an Apex stream
>clipfags spread it like wildfire
Her 'pandering' are all due to clips of her antics though I wouldn't say she completely ignore them

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>>12621964
>I never see Maimoto fags spams the board or general though?
Blame Cover for fostering hako-oshi tendency and redditors to interpret it as applying to all groups under HoloPro as opposed to just HoloJP. The drive to "save the homos" through collab begging is driven mainly by redditors who gotten into stars from holo girls and driven by the same reason as Aki/Mel/Roboco saviorfagging except more intense because the gap between holos and homos is even bigger.
This is the reason why you won't see beggars caring about networking/collabing with non-Holos, because they deluded themselves with fake "unity" between HoloPro groups and lived in a holobubble.

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>>12618919
It wouldnt matter. EOPS arent going to stream with or watch men they cant understand.

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>>12622443
this, she clearly doesnt give a fuck about "hi honney" shit

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>>12558115
>They're not even funny
You should have started with that so I wouldn't waste my time reading this

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>>12558115
The cute femboys keep graduating. ngmi.

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>>12621964
>using leddit as the bar
Did you forget "overseas sexy guys"? Aquairo palette English version? Subaru's official English translations? FAQ?

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>>12621964
That guy has it wrong anyway, Maimoto's meme is that he acts creepy towards girls and they call him kimoi, not that he's a chad like they meme Roberu on here (despite Maimoto being the guy who's dated the most irl and also got a romantic stalker who sent hair to his place)

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>>12620624
What?

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>>12558115
yes

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>>12558115
any male vtuber you prefer over holostars?

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>>12632545
Tokoyami Towa

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>incel incel incel
How hard is it for you homofags to understand that most people and me just don't want to watch males or simply want to enjoy CGDCT type of content?

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>>12634826
Pretty damn hard, seeing as you clearly watch Amelia, the furthest thing from a cute girl there is.

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>>12635146
Keep seething for eternity then.

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>>12635234
I'm not Amelia, so I won't be, thank you.

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>>12565972
Stfu, your star is a fucking failure and a leecher

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>>12626030
>Did you forget "overseas sexy guys"?
My mind must have hate that meme so much that I forgot about it. But then again Marine is already big way before Reddit pandering, same with Aqua the Nijikiller. I'm saying that Reddit pandering doesnt work for members trying to actually gain numbers from scratch as opposed to Holos who already have good numbers like Miko, Marine and Coco.
>using leddit as the bar
Its literally the biggest Holo community out there, why wouldn't I use it as a bar?

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>>12632545
This cute boy. If you wana look outside Holo bubble Ange from Nijisanji and Tomari Mari is a good start too

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based meidos

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>>12558115
Every holostar is more talented than all the JPs combined

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>>12643352
Thanks for the bump!

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>>12558115
>which should've been huge, only got a little over 10k likes.
10k likes is huge

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>>12560018
>I just don't really feel like watching Holostars regularly.
this one line contains the rebuttal to your entire fucking cope of a post.

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>>12558115
They deserve more than the girls, COVER WILL USE YOUR OSHIS SCs UNILT EVERYONE IN HOLOSTARS GET'S TO A MILLION

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>>12558115
Idk, I tried watching them, but there were too many female viewers. I got weirded out.

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>>12559601
This but 80% of this shitty fucking board will never acknowledge this fact.

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>>12649122
Not that anon but how? All that post says is that idol stuff isn't filtering for females and likely isn't what filtered them from stars. Because if you actually watch streams (which you obviously don't) Holostars and Nijimales are pretty similar in barebones: they both do songs and dances (Nijimales even have more concerts than Stars), their streams are normal gaming/zatsudan streams, they have a subset of yumejos that they and the company sometimes pandered to especially in events and merchs. Neither of them are averse to female collabs because that's not what idolshit is really.
Personally my filter from Holostars isn't really that they act as male idols but rather that they're not very interesting and their designs are a little too niche/weird to my taste.

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>>12559601
>>12654463
kek. Most of the Homos have a higher percentage of foreign viewers than any of the girls.
https://twitter.com/astelleda/status/1335575297945583619
"EOPs don't care about them" is a stupid cope when they're the ones that can't shut up about how underrated their poor boys are and complain about muh japanese idol culture and try to shove the Holostars into all of their Reddit tierlists.

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>>12654846
>Personally my filter from Holostars isn't really that they act as male idols but rather that they're not very interesting and their designs are a little too niche/weird to my taste.
as someone who mainly watches nijisanji, but also like watching male vtubers, definitely this. I just haven't really found them all that interesting even through the occasional clips i get of them.

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>>12655195
20%?
I didn't think the percentage would be that small. How is it compared to Hololive though?

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>>12575695
No, they just don't watch him. The main reason Hajime hasn't really grown over the last few years is because he's just so fucking addicted to League of Legends which is the worst debuff game in all of history. Compare it to whenever he streams ARK and you'll see the viewcount rise because he got fairly popular there after all the ARK war shenanigans. It's also fairly disingenuous to say that he's 90% of Nijimales since there are really only like 10-15 people in NijiJP that even get viewers as low or lower than him, and like more than half of those are girls, not guys. Nijisanji numbers still aren't really comparable to whatever Hololive viewers are used to for their general individual streams, but that's beside the point and I'm only really mentioning that since it really is unfair to compare Holostars numbers to Nijisanji numbers because that's basically the same as comparing Nijisanji numbers to Hololive numbers... which might be the point of this entire bait thread, but I still thought some discussion was warranted here anyways for the people who really want to talk about it.

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>>12656155
It's a somewhat old measure, but when Marine visited Coco and Kanata she said that her percentage of foreign viewers was less than 10%

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>>12638560
it's not a meme, nips think western guys are sexier.

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>>12619621
Some of you are globals only so maybe you wouldn't know this, but back when /vt/ only just exists, some Homo asked if they can merge again with HoloJP thread, and got declined. Coincidentally, some sheeposters also moved in and picked fights with the homos in there with the reason Homofags are obnoxious. Homofags insisted that those are flaseflaggers, but then go so triggered by sheeposters that they threatened to spam the thread if they wouldn't stop, and long story short they spammed the thread for the day.

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>>12592077
nijifag here, they had a 5 person 3d collab?

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>>12656155
You understand that said only 20% of Astel's viewers are JP, meaning 80% kaigai, and this was last year (before Ollie even collabed with him).
Well they don't reveal analytics but Hololive JP (ignore Haachama & Coco), at the very best would max around 40% for foreign viewership and that's being extremely generous. A more realistic estimate is 10%~35% depending on the member. Holostars is like a baseline 40% kaigai for most members, even if they blend in chat by typing in Japanese.

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>>12558394
>Strawberry Prince
>Literally one of the biggest idol group
>Vsinger
>all male (and a "male")

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>>12558751
>unique
>apex

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>>12618919
Noel is right. People who spend thousands of dollars on their oshi do so to simulate a relationship. You can judge their motive, but it is what it is. Holostars are far too small to provide a numbers buff, and collabing with them will drive away the viewers who donate and spend a disproportionate amount of money. There's no reason other than corporate mandate or pity for the girls to collab with holostars. It's not a coincidence that gen 3, where "no males" became the company culture, is the most successful JP gen.

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>>12657237
Mori si the second most successful holo and she collabed with Rikka

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>>12657194
not vsingers, strawberry prince is an utaite group. they are doing concert with real life bodies. they do streams but they are not "streamer" like niji livers and stars members are.

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>>12657237
>gen 3, where "no males" became the company culture, is the most successful JP gen
The 'no male' thing has always been a joke. PekoMiko collabed with Chaika and people absolutely loved it.

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>>12558115
Roberu is pretty cool, I would probably watch him/someone similar more if he spoke better English.

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Astel collabs with girls and still gets crazy schizo donors. It's more appealing to your schizos the greatest. What worked for Gen 3 does not blanket work for everyone, there are different target audiences.

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>>12657237
Astel collabs with girls and still gets crazy schizo donors. It's more appealing to your schizos the greatest. What worked for Gen 3 does not blanket work for everyone, there are different target audiences.

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>>12657690
Wasn't that like before they were even half a year into their careers? They have also not collabed with male vtubers since then

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>>12657881
Paypigs for males work differently than paypigs for females, no male really avoids collabs with females whatsoever regardless of how many yumejos they have as fans. On that matter EN paypigs also work kinda differently from JP paypigs.
Or my guess is that they're all actually similar and JP Holos would still net decent income despite collabing with males, but also very much less than what they have now and no longer the top SC earners, so they opted not to do that. I'd imagine substantial income crash will actually happen only if they actively disown GFE and/or revealed to have relationships offline. Like, since when your GF can't talk to other dudes?

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>>12656839
No, hololive thread on /jp/ hate homofags since homobeggar appeared last year, before that, most of them ignore holostars

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>>12658521
Holy shit Oga get more views than Watame

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>>12657237
Suisei's plushie is the highest one sold right now and she does zero GFE, and is pushed by Cover because her merchs sells and one of Bushiroad's strongest shillers. I still think beggars should take the rope.