/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>"i want to make nijisanji more known here!"
>Half year later

[Anonymous No.]

>>12543124
She succeed tho, now nijisanji is known as holo lite

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>>12543124
>vshoujo reject
>7 hololive rejects
>gundou
>barnie
>a lingering dread overshadowing the future nijimale debut
I blame tthe ack of niche diversity in favor of countless hololive lite chubas. Nijisanji is cannibalizing itself while getting cannibalized by hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12543124
nijisanji always makes up half the catalog, sounds like she succeeded

[Anonymous No.]

Get new material

[Anonymous No.]

>>12543124
She's the only one I care about, so kinda

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>>12543144
>"i want to make nijisanji more known here!"
>rarely talking about nijisanji but non stop shilling hololive and Kiara
Hiring hololive rejects was a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>iloveyoupekooora.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

even the lowest watched/subbed member of nijisanjien has bigger numbers than the most watched OG nijisanjien (rip noor i bet ur footjobs were stella) i'd say she got her wish

[Anonymous No.]

>>12543124

DOWNWARD SPIRAL
DOWNWARD SPIRAL
DOWNWARD SPIRAL

[Anonymous No.]

>>12546881
Don't use NijiID. That's a very easy bar to pass. Atleast use NijiID or NijiKR

[Anonymous No.]

Selen succeeded where Pomu failed without even trying.
Pretty soon she'll BE nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12546956
IN were labelled as EN for a long time bro, it's safe to say they were the ogs

[Anonymous No.]

>>12546970
The only way that would happen is if all middle tier and top tier NijiTalents graduates and Selen magically learns Japanese.

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>>12547053
Selen will soon have more views and income than Kuzuha.

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>>12547032
It's not safe to say anything. They had thick accents that had crappy setups. Hana of ID was a better EN than any of those. Stop changing history. Just because there was an "EN" on their title doesn't really change anything. Noone bought the whole switcheroo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12546970
She can't even say nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

And she succeeded.

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>>12547085
you know this trolling would be funnier if kuzuha didn't massively outview selen just by streaming his blank screen

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>>12547085
Selen will only be able to do that if she plays with actual FPS Twitch streamers that are relevant in NA. Otherwise, she will be stuck where she right now. VSPO has better chances of exploding than Selen because they have the home court advantage. You have to play FPS that is actually relevant to NA.

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>>12543124
>"I want to help smaller streamers!"
>Half a year later

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>>12547151
selen is already bigger than half of vspo do you even watch them

[Anonymous No.]

>>12547141
He slept his way to the top.

[Anonymous No.]

Stop shitposting and watch kino Niji 3D with Pomu
https://twitter.com/PomuRainpuff/status/1456609283504840707

[Anonymous No.]

>male wave soon
the true test

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji elites are more popular than Hololive peasants.
This is why holobronies were kicked out of /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>12543509
>I blame tthe ack of niche diversity
I sure am missing a black transgender lesbian vchuba talking about Karl Marx and Bernie Sanders to simp for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12547263
Nose is more relevant than Selen you fag.
>>12547316
This is why people keep saying some Niji fans are fucking bitter holo-ex fans. Stop mentioning them.

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>>12547316
>This is why holobronies were kicked out of /jp/
And outgrowth the shit outta /jp/, yeah sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>12547404
>vtuber who has been active for more than 2 years is more relevant than the one who is around just for a few months

It will take only a few tournaments for Selen to be as relevant as them

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>>12543124
Hololive boomed in large part because it had some shots at mainstream exposure being on the front page of fucking leddit during the height of the 2020 lockdowns. Niji has never had such a thing happen, no similar viral explosion like eekum bokum etc. That's not to say it can't or won't, but it hasn't happened yet.

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>>12543124
Niji lives even more rent free on the Holoboard now that there's an EOP friendly branch so mission accomplished, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

Just put the streams into youtube ads like the MVs they do for the new waves debut. If they aren't bothered by the MVs in youtube ads, then this shouldn't be a problem either.

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>>12547525
Anon. Kuzuha hasn't won any tournament since last year except that valo thing which is really a debuff when he plays it but he still gets the views because Apex is the FPS game in JP. Is RPR getting the same hype numbers like Kuzuha for FPS? Not really. You gotta play FPS games that are relevant for your target audience which is in her case is NA. She won't have any competition as well because not a lot of chuubas are touching any competitive FPS in NA

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly it seems like she (or they since she's not alone) succeeded. Ever since NijiEN 1 I've seen far more mentions of Nijisanji not only here but on Twitter and YouTube as well. It was cool seeing Temmie making fanart/fan animations of Selen

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji making it this far without ridiculous viral explosions and all the factors that made hololive successful was honestly commendable. When they first announced EN I was expecting smalltuber numbers, given how KR and IN turned out.

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>>12547897
They should have been 50~150 views with how other corpos have been with their success. It is truly amazing they got a toe in.

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>>12547897
Yeah I think people really take it for granted just how hard it is to build up an audience as anything other than Holo in the West. You have how many small agencies/startups? Tsunderia, Cyberlive, Phase Connect etc most of which have nobody over like 20k stilll and a few have like 1 standouit at 50-100? NijiEN has everyone over 100 and a few at or near 200k, that isn't horrible for half a year's effort. Your average Niji is like 10x more successful than you average startup agency girl. They could have done way way way worse, they could have been an utter laughingstock if they had trouble competing with literal-who agencies in the West.

Thing is even if they're 10x bigger than most small agency girls most Holos are still 10x bigger than them as well, there's still an order of magnitude off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12546970
Nijisanji is 'Sink or Swim' company. Selen is the swimmer and the rest are sinkers

[Anonymous No.]

>>12547114
Knee jeea sawn jeeh

[Anonymous No.]

>>12543124
Pomu isn't 30 years old, fuck you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12547320
Sounds like someone Niji would actually debut fr

[Anonymous No.]

>>12546881
beating streets shitting fanbase who can't even afford food dailies isn't something to be proud, it's next level of cope

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>>12547304
They can't have EN Kuzuha unless I join them

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>>12547897
They have the reputation for being hololive's rival in japanese, that is the best ads, other start up companies don't have that luxury

[Anonymous No.]

holostars still drowning

[Anonymous No.]

>be pomu
>join Nijisanji
>have to keep part time OL gig for health insurance

In an alternative universe
>be pomu
>get into HoloEN
>get so much saviorfag dollars you quit being an OL

Its a shame she loves 2434

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>>12551767
Just open starsEN and watch them mog the shit out of niji, too bad Cover underestimates their own EN dominance

[Anonymous No.]

>>12552077
In a way theres a vibe that because JP established the brand so much EN establishing next to them made making EN super easy
Holostars JP is established but its more like the 20 story office building next to a 80 floor skyscraper in the same complex

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>>12551877
She's on her way out, though. Plus, she makes more in supas than most Hololive girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12552165
20 story office building? What are you fucking on Stars is like a rented out floor compared to the 80 floor skyscraper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12546970
Selen doesn't even average more than the average Nijisanji female.

[Anonymous No.]

POMU SEX

[Anonymous No.]

You now see nijisanji vtubers posted on other boards here so it's working

[Anonymous No.]

>>12543124
Well, you know about it now, don't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12552499
What are you talking about?
Rikiichi has always been posted in other boards as an example of a "based" Vtuber. Just because your EOP chuubas are getting posted now doesn't mean people didn't post others before

[Anonymous No.]

>>12547268
I bet he can't last 5 seconds in bed with Mikoto, she is sex incarnate

[Anonymous No.]

>>12552669
Chill out dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>12543124
Well she’s doing a better job than Finana. Someone called her out on not interacting or caring enough for the rest of Nijisanji, and she just mad a flimsy excuse and closed down her marshmallows because of one dumbass from here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12552791
It is not fucking fair, holy shit, Kuzuha has everything while I'm here all alone

[Anonymous No.]

>>12552173
>Plus, she makes more in supas than most Hololive girls.
The only Hololivers she has more than is 4/5ths of council who she had a 3 month head start on. They have a higher rate of SCs per hour too.

For comparison of SCs per hour streamed in October:
Ouro Kronii - $497.79/h
Tsukumo Sana - $412.87/h
IRyS - $382.33/h
Ceres Fauna - $329.70/h
Hakos Baelz - $267.94/h
Nanashi Mumei - $247.65/h
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Pomu Raipuff - $216.82/h

[Anonymous No.]

>>12547753
I'm finding it's funny that now nijisanji have a real defence force(it was all falseflaggers before nijien) and their events had threads all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12547937
>They should have been 50~150 views
They seem to have it now with wave 3 girl

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>>12543509
I blame the same. The closest thing anyone has to fulfilling a niche is being an EN Apex gremlin.
Is it fundamentally something they lack / don't have permissions for, or are they just trying to avoid filling those niches for the sake of numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12552958
>b-but..!
Yeah, cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12553272
Half their roster have ear aids and can't play games. They got the same person (non-gamer who likes to talk and do music) 4 times. It doesn't help they spam watchalongs.

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>>12552958
>Make a bit more money and lose all her freedom and friends
Not worth it

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>>12553374
I never said it was worth it, I'm just saying she makes less with more work. I mean there is nothing wrong with being the 21st most watched EN vtuber.

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>>12552914
It was me, Finana needs to worship Kuzuha's vampcock and know her place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12547320
This, but unironically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12552914
she's a complete EOP how should she even do it with anyone she's already interacting enough
lulu for example went her entire career talking only to 5 people and even stopped talking to her debutmate

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>>12547937
Other corps started from nothing with almost zero marketing budgets. Nijisanji has used 24/7 ads on Hololive streams to boost every waves debut trailer and song. They hired mafumafu and TeddyLoid for their group songs. Niji has been known by the west as Hololive’s main competitor and many in r/vyt, before the nijifans fucked off to their discord, were waiting to see what type of males they would debut. Forgot to mention channels like LostPause and Koefficient getting “not paid” to react to niji clips and talk about NijiEN. NijiEN did not start from nothing they had money, connections, and people were aware of the brand compared to the unknown small startups who had to rely on reddit, twitter and word of mouth because they were working with a shoe string budget.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12553358
They're women, of course they can't play games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12553374
>all her freedom
i alwasy hear this but their content and hololive's seems still really similar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12554327
They have freedom, that doesn't mean they can use it. Freedom is great in the right hands but pointless in the shallow minded's.

[Anonymous No.]

Pomu wants showcase her JP senpai but her own company is working against her with those absurd collab fees

[Anonymous No.]

>>12553374
>freedom
Nijicucks are so delusional

[Anonymous No.]

>>12553358
Ear aids? What does that even mean??

[Anonymous No.]

>>12543124
In all seriousness when she started out Lazulight chats won't shut the fuck up about Hololive and barely knew shit about Nijis. Now it regularly recognized KR, ID, and JP Nijis. They even recognized JP males like Hayato which is a feat I thought your typical EN vtuber GFE-obsessed "simp" audience couldn't accomplish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12552958
Anyone making $65/hr is doing pretty good. That's not including ad rev, merch, sponsorships, and membership. You're not gonna be rolling in money like Mori/Gura but it's not a bad consolidation prize.

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>>12554327
it means for a simple outside collab she wouldn't have to grovel in front of the managers

[Anonymous No.]

>>12554520
Seems like it's his way of trying to say hearing-related disorders. Maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12554457
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T COLLAB OUTSIDE OF NIJISANJI KIARA WTF
Yeah, freedom

[Anonymous No.]

>>12552914
Timestamp?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12552958
it's kind of sad you know all this

[Anonymous No.]

>>12546328
>rarely talking about nijisanji
Maybe you get that impression if you only go by Pomu bait threads, but she hypes/promotes nijis all the time. Just in the last two days, she linked Nui's stream when she was ending to get her viewers to check her out, tweeted about Chigusa's stream, livetweeted Cammy's 3D debut and collabed with NijiID and NijiKR. And she talks about Mito/Mya/Chima/Belmod/Oliver etc like every week.
She does talk about hololive sometimes, but she is an overall vtuberfag, she has talked more about Kizuna AI, Kaguya Luna, Pinky Pop Hepburn and HimeHina as much or more. She is just likes chuubas in general, talking about cyberlive and tsunderia and shit too.

[Anonymous No.]

So when will Pomu quit nijisanjiEN and join hololiveEN? She seems concerned about her number and the company's strategy lately, she will make 5x more money and 10x more views in hololive and can finally quit her job

[Anonymous No.]

>>12553438
Anyone that isn't Holo, VShojo, or Niji EN up there?

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>>12555355
Patra? She made $600k US with only one piece of ASMR on DLsite, ithink it's above 1m now with two pieces

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>>12553944
I'm not saying they didn't have the money, but muscling in on an already crowded place with most focus in one place and able to get a toe in is something else.

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>>12553169
Except she doesn't. The only time she reached that number was in a watchalong.
>>12553944
It's irrelevant if Nijisanji is big when in the west for most people they are just another agency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12555058
takes you 1 second to open playboard and find out yourself that anyone saying nijien is financially fine is lying

[Anonymous No.]

>>12555355
Pikamee. KSon.

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>>12555501
sub 1k ccv isnt that good specially when you need to share your money with the company.
lets not even touch the subject of vod views

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>>12555597
Any proof of that? I've been watching live streams for more than a decade and as far as I know I always felt like even just having 500 viewers is enough to make it a career

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>>12553374
Well? Do something with it. Just compare HoloEN vs NijiEN on Halloween, and it sure as hell seems to me like HoloEN has a lot more freedom to do things.

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>>12555597
Does CCV even give a discernible payout? Like, all there is is a skipable ad when you tune into the stream, which probably only pays pennies. So even with 10k ccv, you'll probably only receive like $200. VOD views and donos matter much more in terms of income.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12555854
Anon clip channels that get 1million views per video get a average salary out of youtube
How much do you think someone that struggles to do 100k gets

[Anonymous No.]

>>12555768
>Play VRchat twice
>This means that every little management fuckery like Kiara being pressured to close a hole in Minecraft doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>12555913
Average salary in a SEA country, sure, but that's not what I'm asking here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12555913
That doesn't make any sense, there are plenty of Youtubers that get less views and have YT as their main job. Clippers are just shit at monetizing their videos then

[Anonymous No.]

>>12556007
You mean the ones that have to beg raid shadow legends for sponsorship money because they make next to nothing from their videos

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>>12555934
>Kiara, close the hole
>yada~
>ogey
Severely downplaying all the work put into the Halloween event and blowing the fuck out of some casual Discord interaction. The absolute state of creative freedom.

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>>12555768
I don't know why you'd do that comparison lmao, Niji's Halloween was a thousand fucking times better because of Drunk Elira.
To me, they have more freedom in what they can get away with, who they can collab with, and the types of streams they do. I'll agree that so far none of them has had any particularly creative streams outside of Pomu sometimes.
>>12555574
You're a fucking retard lmao. So far, in all of Hololive outside Japan, Gura has been the only one to land a deal with Taco Bell. More subs may mean more memberships, but we don't know that conclusively. Speaking in terms of purely supas, let's compare Rosemi, who debuted around the same time as Council did, who has approximately 80k subs less than Sana, the least subbed Council member.
She has made 44k through superchats alone, whereas Fauna, Baelz and Mumei, who belong to Hololive and are at least 3x as subbed as Rosemi, all have only made 47k. They average in more viewers than Rosemi too, whose average is 1.2k live viewers. They are more than doing fine anon.
If this numberfagging establishes any sort of trend, it's that dedication to a vtuber varies from fanbase to fanbase, but those with less subscribers tend to have a more engaged audience.
To put things into perspective: Rosemi is the least subbed of Obsydia. Pomu, who was the original subject, is the least subbed of Lazulight. Even Selen, who is probably the most popular NijiEN member, hasn't made what Pomu has through supas. Keep coping.

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>>12556063
More like severely downplaying the rightful hate your own kind has for Omegatranny. Please. Nobody's forgotten that HoloEN wasn't allowed to collaborate with Coco until she announced graduation either. Or how they weren't allowed to play the meme dice game and because of that Oga got 炎上'd, or how Matsuri spoke about getting scolded for so much as hitting her desk during a stream...

[Anonymous No.]

>>12556105
Obsidia debuted 1 month and 1 week before council

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>>12556105
You know what, I correct myself. Gura has had more promos than just Taco Bell, 8 to be exact. But Kiara, whose numbers are dwarfed by Gura's, has twice as many, and has been superchatted more than Gura. Again proving that sub count doesn't equate instant success.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12556166
So what? Rosemi didn't start her channel with more than 100k subs. Keep coping.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12556105
The absolute power of creative freedom: drinking on stream.

>>12556121
Lulu graduated just to almost immediately come back as an indie. Why is that, Nijifag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12556199
>compares a group that has a month headstart of superchats to someone that just recently got it and they already caught up in half the time
who is really coping here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12556210
Lulu graduated because her management was too protective of her. She spoke about this on stream, actually. She hated being made to take time off while Anycolor sorted things out with the police and got multiple of her stalkers arrested. But as long as we're talking graduations, I'd say graduating because your company wants to protect you is far more preferable to graduating because your company doesn't allow you to create the kind of content you want to make. That is if you believe in the "creative freedom" excuse, which is a whole other can of worms...

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>>12556105
Plus, all of NijiEN would have higher superchat numbers if they didn't also use streamlabs. All the waves had streamlabs on debut, so people who wanted to donate right away could, thereby "taking away" any money that would have gone towards superchats instead.
Of course, streamlabs pays the talent better (no 30% youtube cut), but in terms of >noomberfagging, their superchat numbers would be higher without it.

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>>12556230
>this retard believes Obsydia was getting supas day 1
You. You're the one really coping here.
>>12556210
I'm sorry you're fucking illiterate anon, but my point was that Niji's Halloween was more fun than Holo's. And don't worry Holobrony, it's only NijiEN I like more, HoloJP is still the king overall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12556105
Stop trying to compare numbers between Council and Obsydia. They are only comparable to Irys who you left out conveniently. Why do you guys try so hard with this angle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12556302
Retard, Obsydia debuted 1 month before council. They literally did get supas day 1 when council came out or actually they did get them about 1 week before Council debuted

[Anonymous No.]

>>12554735
Is she doing great for herself? Absolutely, no question. I only make $92.5k a year and she probably matches me. Is she doing better than most holos? No, that is wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is proof that you really should just stay in /hlgg/ if you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to other vtuber companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12556105
>Niji's Halloween was a thousand fucking times better because of Drunk Elira.
Now i know why it got so much traction /here/, are you really believing that the height of entertainment is some chicks getting drunk?

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>>12557154
Holo fans isolating themselves and not knowing anything about vtubing as a whole is part of the problem. While it's true they aren't going to learn anything from troll threads, being exposed to more either opens them up to others, or helps them to understand why they like the stuff they like rather than just for the reason they have "Hololive" plastered on it. Either thing is good for this board.

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>>12551767
Isn't Holostars the only male-only vtuber agency that isn't completely dead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12557360
Usually not, but after a while they were crashing other collabs to make stupid questions and that part was kino.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12557360
Yes because Elira was a fun drunk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12557397
Yes. Vstars got killed last week

[Anonymous No.]

>>12557397
Holostars isn't an agency at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12557141
Doing better than all the non-Ollie IDs and probably some of the deadweight JPs like AZKi, Mel, and Choco. Holo ENs? No chance, in the long run.

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>>12556105
> Rosemi, who debuted around the same time as Council did
rosemi debuted one month before so council caught up to her in the first 2 weeks after moentization.
>Niji's Halloween was a thousand fucking times better because of Drunk Elira.
nah the holoEN girls put a lot of efffort intheir event and song and it paid in bot recognition and views.
>those with less subscribers tend to have a more engaged audience.
reimu is in the dumpster just letting you know

[Anonymous No.]

>>12543124
>Poomu
Whole branch should be graduated except Rosemi and Selen transfer them to HoloEN3/HoloENGamers

[Anonymous No.]

>>12557551
>nah the holoEN girls put a lot of efffort intheir event and song and it paid in bot recognition and views.
it was fucking garbage and you know it

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>>12557631
nah, the girls work togheter with the community and fans to deliver some really good moments and spooky themed fun. Without mention the song whcih has 1M views already.
As halloween as it could get.
NijiEn should comission more things to their fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12557631
dilate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12557154
>>12557370
This is a Hololive board. Dont give a shit about 2 views from Niji. Get out if you dont like it.

[Anonymous No.]

She needs to stop streaming entire series of shit nobody wants to watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>12557981
This is a Virtual Youtuber board. Don't give a shit about 2 million views from Holo. Get out if you don't like it.

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>>12557981
/hlgg/ is now less than 50% of the board's activity and dropping. Other companies and indies are gaining relevance and sharing the spotlight.
I wouldn't be surprised if /hlgg/ drops below 33% by the end of next year.

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>>12557577
Agreed, nijiEN looks nothing like a nijisanji branch, they are literally a hololive lite, no creative, too safe, no innovative

[Anonymous No.]

>>12554520
I think he means ‘something wrong in the ear, which fucks with their sense of balance so they get motion sickness when playing games’.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12557551
>b-but..!
Holobronies need to be culled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12558052
Numbers? You wouldn't be pulling shit up your ass now would you anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12559362
>>/vt/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=continuing+counting+posts+of+past+threads
The recline is happening, slowly and steadily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12559471
>>12559362
No numbers to back this up, but I remember seeing in NijiEN general last weekend that they were becoming the fastest thread on /vt/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12559536
The Niji EN and Vshojo threads are fairly consistently 2nd and 3rd. No hard numbers to back that up, but it's a noticeable trend if you check out 4stats over the course of a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12559536
And holofags try to mess with the numbers by creating new NijiEN threads hours early, thereby lowering the ppm of the NijiEN threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12559536
>>12559618
>>12559685
Was curious so went ahead and checked. /hlgg/ still has more than NijiEN and vsj combined. Also, 5 of the top 8 are Holo related with the only other thread left being /#/ which is basically a holo thread in disguise anyway. Disclaimer: this is all during dead hours so this actually works against /hlgg/. There's a lot more Nijisanji and other corpo related threads now but most are slow as molasses and tends to last for days. Another trivia: The 4th most active thread is Inifinity which is actually insane being that it's a split thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12560769
>pic related

[Anonymous No.]

>>12560769
/infinity/ is essentially a split thread that doubles as an alternate horny thread/writefag thread, that also tends to attract schizos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12560769
The thing is >>12559685 is mostly right and it's happening right now. Thanks to a couple of dedicated shitposters, NijiEN has a consistent and on going early thread problem, and the meidos basically do nothing about it.
The current NijiEN thread will die in about half an hour, and they'll migrate to an early thread that will be nearly two hours old.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12561641
that is nijien fault because they have a lot of tribalism inside specially with nina as the OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12562027
Yeah. Wave 3 kinda messed with the vibe of NijiEN threads. Doesn't help that I don't really like anyone from Ethyria so it just makes me wish that it was just Lazulight and Obsydia for a bit longer.

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>>12551606
Wtf, join them then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12562027
The tribalism is mostly caused by holofag tourists doing shitpost after shitpost. Hell, they even straight-up advertise upcoming/ongoing HoloEN streams in practically every thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>"NijiEN has total creative freedom, that is a good thing!"
>their content is basically Hololive-like but with more sluttery
>"Creative freedom is good because.....i-it just is!!!!!"
NijiEN isn't as popular as it could be because its livers don't provide content you can't find anywhere else.

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>>12562404
It really didn't help that Ethyria's debut coincided with Council taking several breaks in a row, along with EN in general slowing down on streams due to Halloween and now the Sports Festival.
Bored shitposters have no fresh holo material to use, so they drift over to option 2. Just like this thread.

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>>12562404
Some of the Holo posts are crossposters just fucking up and posting in the wrong thread. Feels like some of the other shitposting could be cleared up by temp bans, though. The mods could at least help us out by deleting extremely early OPs or the obvious off topic spamming, but I don't think they care for most of the day.

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>>12562480
>NijiEN isn't as popular as it could be because its livers don't provide content you can't find anywhere else.
They do with JP and a few ID/KR livers. EN is just too conservative, Anycolor's EN branch shot itself in the foot by hiring mostly the same type of people with the same type of background. They literally don't even look at your audition application if your streamer or Youtube numbers aren't high enough, which means they've skipped over potentially dozens of EN equivalents to Kenmochi, Oliver, and Rikiichi, people with talent who just haven't streamed before.

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>>12562654
Finana...

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>>12562654
Yet they picked Finana and two ex-utaites with limited streaming experience

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>>12562749
>>12562654
there is nothing wrong with picking people without experience. part of the charm of a stream is the journey in the long run.
Jerma started doing tf2 gameplay videos and korone debut was a catastrophe.
but is watching them improve their skills what is endearing and part of the appeal of following a streamer.
That being said most of nijiEN lacks resolve to try something new or doing big projects. they are too mellow.

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>>12562956
I know, just pointing out that they picked two people for their singing for Ethyria instead of going for more streamers. Millie has also been doing some stuff outside of the default gaming schtick since she isn't good with games.
What I fear the most is the male wave being just more gamer streamers without anything new to add, they should really try to get someone who never did this before and has an outside perspective.

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>>12562654
>EN equivalent to Oliver, Joe and Kenmochi
Do anons just forget that the western streaming scene is different from JP? If you're not seeing any guys like that among indies then chances are they either
>Already stream as 3D which is long established as the better route over here
>May not have an interest in becoming a vtuber since it's an anime niche
You're falling into the same mistake people made with the Council where they assumed that all these super talented people were applying. In over 80+ members of NijiJP people only name the same handful as examples of success from grabbing complete amateurs, it's a rare occurrence and EN only has 10 so far.

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>>12543124
NijisanjiEN has become more popular on /vt/ after Obsydia came out. Though, people might give credit to that to Selen moreso than Pomu.

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>>12562480
kys dead vtuber poster

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>>12553944
>LostPause
I don't believe you, she a fucking vshojofag and holofag last time i see him with his shitty cringenime reaction channel, link or fake

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>>12563847
It's the newest form of Homo-begging, but this time instead of asking for collabs you're asking for the EN equivalent of a JP streamer. Notice you never see people say they want an EN Mito, or Deron, or Sasaki or Shiina. It's always the guys they want.

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>>12559362
This happened recently.

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>>12543124
>Half year later

half a year later it's one of the most active generals on the board and keeps h*lobronies in a state of constant seethe and cope. i'd say they're doing pretty well.

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>>12569125
This is how it is right now
Niji general is about 1/3 the speed. Which I like, because you can actually read the posts.

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>>12569442
Niji ppm should probably be higher (not higher than hlgg, but still higher than what's shown). It was yet again another early thread that was created an hour before the old one died. Not that it really matters though.

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>>12547320
But nina though

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>>12543124
What are you on schizo? She put Niji on the map more than ever, hell just look at this shithole before/after the nijien debut

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>>12551877
Are you dumb? Pommer alone makes more than 90% of the chuubas currently on the market

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>>12552958
Why do you know all of this in the first place? Being a numberfag is such a sad existence

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>>12556210
Even if you don't like two drunkards barging into others streams for no special reason, the same night had the fanfiction reading by Pomu+Rosemi (invaded in by Elira+Finana), Reimu+Petra playing some horror game (also invaded), a karaoke where Enna did some harmonics and a remixing of DCL live, the night before we had the choose-your-adventure with Millie. Plus the whole week was filled with streams instead of everyone taking time to "prepare."

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>>12552958
if you want to numberfag. here

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>>12576756

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>>12576862
Aki is a real succubus with the numbers she gets lol

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>>12547114
kek

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>>12576862
and to be complete

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>>12556105
>Three paragraphs of cope
>"Keep coping"

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>>12578165
keep coping you limp-dicked faggot

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>>12589916
seethe

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>>12543124
She should stop sucking hololive's dick.

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>>12543124
Should just quit niji and join holo then. Most of holobronies and Kiara will wellcome her with open arms

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>>12559685
this happens to hlgg quite often and despite that still boasts the highest ppm on this board with even a couple hours debuff by the end of those threads

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>>12605691
She's not Ina's friend so she won't make it and Kiara is too much hated by the management to accept her recommendation

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>>12543124
i'd say she succeeded.
niji had literally no imprint on the western vtuber scene prior to nijiEN.
it's not hololive-big, but it definitely has a notably large fanbase now.

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>>12543124
I mean, it worked.

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>>12562654
They probably scared after that stupid Gura loli cancel attempt and didn't really wanna risk it any further

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>>12543124
It's okay
There is next year
And next next year
Also next next next year

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck off, hang yourself and never use MY Oshi to shit post ever again you fake fucking fan.

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>>12548192
or paddlers

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>>12566606
Here’s the proof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5_yLcTqa9Y

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>>12612408
Unironically this

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>>12543124
>Tune into random Pomu stream.
>It's entertaining.

Wonder why I stopped watching HoloEn...

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>>12556121
Meiro's creative freedom was restricted, and her contract was terminated. Sasuga Nijishiller.

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>>12556274

Too protective? Really?

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>>12556274
Lulu graduated because she wanted out. Nijisanji didn't help her at all with the stalker problem plaguing her since she first joined. When the management got involved with the police, it's already too little, too late. Now, she's back to streaming no thanks to Nijisanji. I hope she'd reincarnate as a vtuber tho.

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>>12626406
I think you need to take your meds anon

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>>12546970
Here's my prediction rrat:
Selen will become more and more popular while also not contributing to the EN division growth and forgetting to shill the company so most of her fanbase forgets she is in Nijisanji. She'll be the Kana Tsunderia of NijiEN.

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>>12628398
NijiEN Bora is shorter.

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>>12624556
Nice cope

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Who is Pomu? Are you Pomu?

[Anonymous No.]

Half year later she is inside your head rent free.

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I watch Hololive, but I like what little I've seen of NijiEN, especially Selen. They all seem pretty cool, and it looks like they aren't doing badly. I hope they grow further and are eventually allowed to do cross-company collabs; it'd be pretty awesome.

I don't know why there's so much angst over this.

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This board would be 100% hololive if not for NijiEN

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>>12629711
>I don't know why there's so much angst over this.
Trannycords hate Kiara and use anything she is tangentially related to and like to manufacture drama. Collabs with Pomu and NijiEN are just MacGuffins.

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>>12543124
Probably should've encouraged her mates to have a personality beyond DUDE PUSSY LMAO.

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>>12543124
lazulight failing was the best possible thing that could have happened to nijisanji
holobronies are literally the worst fanbase to hit vtubers, even worse than idolbutards who unironically helped in getting the entire company killed after they were called monster parents

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>>12543124
To her credit, she is the only Niji I care about

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>>12554457
Oh nonononono... Anon... are you telling me you don't know about the holo management boot on their liver's neck? I mean even biggest fans know about this, it has been stated by talents on multiple occasions.

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>>12555768
Anon, all hololive did was 2 collabs. This is the entire point, its all they are allowed to do. You fags dont even realize livers are supposed to collab outside their corpos.

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>>12558078
t. never watched any niji stream, just clips

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>>12641337
Ah, yes, just like how Kuzuha is forced to delete his Coco tweet due to pressure from the Zhang investors.

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>>12552958
Really counting the first monthTry again when the hype is gone

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>>12546970
Selensanji rumao

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fact is, niji doesn't add anything.
They're just regular ordinary streamers without facecams.

Hololive creates a vibe and a reason why they are cartoon characters.

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>>12649381
That is the point, as a YouTube fag. The best groups in YouTube's history are bunches of friends who can talk on about nothing at all while being entertaining. The cartoons and forced VIBES are what things like Machinima and Rooster Teeth are. If Hololive EN wants to go down the route of anime girl Yogscast they are free to.

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>>12547085
SelenxGura collab is more likely to happen than that

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>>12650308
>If Hololive EN wants to go down the route of anime girl Yogscast they are free to.
so whos going to get cancelled for molesting someone?

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>>12650513
Omega, Kiara.

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>>12650308
Generally, you're right.
But people join Hololive because they're into it.
(except maybe council)
They get the best of both worlds because its not really an act.

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>>12552958
Even the most skilled brain surgeons don't even make that much money per hour. They are all doing fine.

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>>12649381
Unfortunately, this.
Vtubers are cool because they are more than your average streamer. Doesn't matter what they specialize in, all of them do sing, chatting streams, gaming, make original game shows, etc. even if they're really not good at it cause it's already part of the culture. Everyone is muti-talented.
But here comes Nijisanji who kinda dilluted the talent level. More and more one-trick ponies are being introduced to the scene it's becoming normal now. Gone are the days when you discover a chuuba who's not only good at games but can also play instruments and sing shit. Now, everyone is just playing Apex hoping to get invited to the tourneys.

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>>12558078
Most of the trends and memes in Vtubing world came from Hololive. If that doesn't count as being innovative and creative, I don't know what is.

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>>12658817
how new? I bet you didn't even see holoForce debut.

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>>12658817
>literally had history of copying everything from nijisanji
>Most of the trends and memes in Vtubing world came from Hololive
lol, do holobronies really?

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>>12655630
But most of the APEX nijis can sing? Who are the one trick ponies?

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>>12562956
>That being said most of nijiEN lacks resolve to try something new or doing big projects. they are too mellow.
Because they are all uncreative women, none can come close to Mito, Sayo or even Chima. Pomu copied some of Mito's idea but she still lacks talent to do it properly, other girls are literally hololive reject who can't think of any fun idea, Rosemi's quiz show is a step in the right direction but still isn't original. Maybe the boys will be different but if they are game streamer or someone from western Vyoutuber then I don't have much hope for them.

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>>12660341
>There are only 3 creative Niji women
>One of them barely streams and another's "creativity" is singing a shitty meme song
Graduate the entire company already, why are you guys proud of this?

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>>12660341
Has anyone in Nijisanji JP done a detailed, based-on-personal-experience tour of a location for a stream? Honest question, because I really loved Pomu's Akiba tour, and want to see more content like that.

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>>12660625
I've seen one from a Niji, one from an indie old timer and if I'm not mistaken, one from Holostar boys.

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>>12650308
>The cartoons and forced VIBES are what things like Machinima and Rooster Teeth are
I wouldn't be surprised if those 2 are what inspires omegatranny to run holoEN as it is now

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>>12660982
Cool, do you mind spoonfeeding me some links? I want to check them out.

[Anonymous No.]

stop bumping this thread, just let it die already

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>>12661387
>says anon as he bumps it himself as he's too much of a newfag

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Nijisanji thread is anywhere from 1/2 to 1/3 the speed of the hololive thread.

Actually nijisanji is far more popular on 4chan than they are on youtube. Because in terms of live viewers they are only like 1/8 a typical hololive stream.

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>>12556105
>Niji's Halloween was a thousand fucking times better because of Drunk Elira.
The absolute fucking state of nijisanji """creative""" freedom; drinking on stream, some shit you could do literally any day of the year that takes zero effort to achieve
Wow, amazing

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>>12662146
nah the stream was fucking great. Pomu kept trying to escape from the conversation and Elira wouldn't let her. I was laughing so hard.

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>>12649381
No wonder they didn't do well on embracing male vtubers in the west, I'm sure western males would rather beg to Cover for holostarsEN than joining NijiEN

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>>12659876
Anon got the point tho, it is known this way since holo manages to break the border through mouth to mouth memes and marketing, this is something Niji still struggles to beat till now

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>>12660341
Niji just didn't know what to expect or what EN needs ngl, and I guess it'll take some time to figure it out because even after analyzing the stats for JP,ID,KR,IN and current EN roster, they still in guessing mode rn

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>>12673056
just do what makes their JP branch successed is not that hard, making their EN branch become a hololive-lite clearly do not worknig

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>>12675591
While being hololite certainly didn't work, using JP as a basis is kinda hard since the wider cultural gap between NijiJP to EN crowd, compared to holoJP to EN crowd. There's a reason why NijiEN channel halted almost all of their JP subbing project

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>>12673056
Nijisanji management is full of incompetent fucks. Every expansion they did are flops. They only lucked out on the main branch because of the first mover advantage but they're rapidly declining right now. Even Vspo is slowly catching up to their girls.

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>>12677493
What the fuck they can do? Hack youtube so algorithm favour Nijisanji instead of Holo? Support? They actually did more than fucking Cover. Original song? Game permissions? Collab? Name it.

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>>12677493
>Even Vspo is slowly catching up to their girls.
med

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>>12661387
Bump bump bump
>>12661540
Yeah nijien is popular here because its fun shitting on them

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>>12677662
I don't know. Maybe stop fielding more livers and start improving content variety? We already have 20k chuubas to choose from but what Anycolor did recently was to establish an academy which is just a glorified audition process to shit out more of the same. Meanwhile, we still have many livers who have yet to debut on their 3Ds.

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>>12546328
You don't watch Pomu

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>>12677662
It's up to their fans tho, not the management. Just like how holoboom happened not because of Cover but holofags aggressive fanmarketing. If Niji wanna compete then you gotta make your fans help them to spread it, mouth to mouth. This is why NijiEN girls decided to glorify their clippers, because they're literally dependent on them for that fanmarketing

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>>12678443
Tell me why I need to care about your hot take when you don't even watch a single Nijis? Content variety? They have far more content variety with survival game, gachadaipan, b-grade variety show, powerpro baseball tournament, SFV tournament, news, 3D skits, voice acting corner, radio, Minecraft horror event, splatoon tournament, Ark sengoku war, than Holocraft. Also Nijisanji already confirmed to release more 3D debut to all vtuber including Amemori "I stream once every 2 month" Sayo,thank you very much.

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>>12543124
I mean she succeeded, literally every NijiEN member has over 50k subs.
Meanwhile Tsunderia's been around for a year and a half and no one's broke the 100k sub mark yet.
People forget Hololive went viral long before the HoloEN branch was a thing so HoloEN was going to be a success even if the girls were mediocre.

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>>12546328
She doesn't stop talking about Nijisanji and I have no clue why she does it.

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>>12681283
Nijisanji isn't that unknown like those startup org before nijiEN, they still have the " hololive's rival in japan" fame and were 2nd most popular(not count Vshoujo for a reason) and have decent fanbase, other Japanese like 774/.dotlive/Re:Act/vspo look tiny compared to their popularity in the west

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>>12547320
you have nina, don't forget lmao

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>>12664654
Now that some serious cope

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>>12683675
In Japan yes, they're giants. Outside of japan they're relatively unknown.
HoloEN knows this thus why management bans Kiara from collabing with Pomu.

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>>12677493
>They only lucked out on the main branch because of the first mover advantage
yeah I'm sure that moving in on a space established and dominated by 3D avatars with live2D avatars locked into some deal with a shitty phone streaming site was what made them popular in nippon. If anything their biggest fuck up was being the first to expand on other markets when they and their industry were still only relevant domestically.