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Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoSrY_IQQVpmIRZ9Xf-y93g
Twitter: https://twitter.com/gawrgura
Schedule: TBA

First original song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGgEFoI9MhE
STREAM KING: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNIhngowViI
Myth or Treat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VupT9JCJaOY

Merch:
AX: https://otakumode.com/shop/pickup/hololive_AX2021 (5% off)
Pop Up Parade: https://special.goodsmile.info/popupparade/en/ (TBA)

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>> No.12472307
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Gura cute Gura cute!

>> No.12472334
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I love temgura!

>> No.12472381
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I'm in love with Gura!

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Is there really a reason to have a new thread up right now?

>> No.12472463

>>12472307
Shut the hell up, pedo

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>>12472463
oh nyooo someone is upset

>> No.12472507
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Time to get so high I forget I exist. Nonstop. For the next 3 days.

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>>12472463
Gura cute Gura cute!

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>> No.12472542

>>12472536
I want a pocket Gura!

>> No.12472549

>>12472463
how does it feel knowing that you'll never be happy because you don't have an oshi as great as Gura? Must be pretty depressing, I wouldn't know though.

>> No.12472563

>>12472507
It’s a little over 2 days right now. Sports festival starts at 9pm PST on Friday

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>>12472463
just ask bro

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>>12472456
I advised against it months ago. The thread culture is engrained too deep now, just post fanart and call Gura cute.

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>> No.12472621
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I'm in love with Gura!

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>>12472512
I offer you, a cup of Gura.

>> No.12472653

>>12472502
I want to go to a cat cafe with Gura...

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>> No.12472672

Anyone else starting Animal Crossing again
Might be a small chance the members can play with her one day

>> No.12472681

>>12472653
Cat cafe karaoke when?

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>>12472463

>> No.12472696

>>12472577
Why is this cropped?

>> No.12472751

>>12472672
I’ll be playing anyway, but I hope she does do a stream or collab with AC

>> No.12472768

>>12472696
Presumably because the pinching hand png does not extend very far down

>> No.12472818 [DELETED] 

>>12472563
>>12472507
More like 4 days given that the streams before then are a clusterfuck collab that won't even have her PoV and a 4 person mario party collab. Assuming that she even streams on Sunday.

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>>12472768
I didn't notice that. Now I want more hand edits.

>> No.12472900

Christmas in less than two months, I gotta make a gift for Gura.

>> No.12472910

>>12472818
More like 2 days because only counting solo streams is mental.

>> No.12472921
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>>12472859
They're pretty easy to make yourself with the pngs obviously, unless you mean more templates

>> No.12472927

>>12472751
i also started playing again but i don't want to use that town because i can't change my name, which is my name. so i would have to buy a second switch and start a new island lol

>> No.12472956

>>12472818
The sports fes will be a mess but the Mario party collab should be fun, the new one is far better than super Mario party

>> No.12473003

>>12472956
Watching Korone play it and the collab earlier has me excited for the collab on saturday. Nintendo seems to have done a good job with this game compared to the last one

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>>12472463

>> No.12473079

>>12472921
On her way to jail for, terrorism and two accounts of unintentional manslaughter.

>> No.12473108
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>>12472921
But that's not as fun as seeing other people's work.

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>>12473079
Don’t worry, the chumbies will break her out

>> No.12473220

>>12472818
1 solo stream in like 20 fucking days. I love her but fuck man she's not the easiest oshi to have.

>> No.12473316

>>12473189
Yeah, we've got people on the inside. In the sex offender unit.

>> No.12473323

>>12473220
She’s already talked about several solo streams she wants to do this month, it’s just October was crazy busy. They’re coming

>> No.12473376 [DELETED] 

>>12473220
The Ayame of EN

>> No.12473445
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>>12472463
T u T

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>>12473323
Don't reply to obvious bait. They don't even like Gura.

>> No.12473527

>>12473220
I miss solo streams too, but I think now that halloween is over she'll be back to a more balanced schedule

>> No.12473613

jesus they're really shitting up global now

>> No.12473745

>>12473613
fauna had a yab so you have 2 sets of schizos posting now

>> No.12473768
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>>12473613
It’s funny that this place is more sane

>> No.12473777

>>12473527
I would put that into not being forced into a con like had been for 3 months I think. I'm pretty sure that at the last one they said that was the last one of that tour.

>> No.12473799

>>12473613
Thanks for that much needed update anon. Pleas keep us up to date in painful amounts of detail about what happens there. Thank you.

>> No.12473809 [DELETED] 

>>12473613
I mean it's easy to do with Gura considering her previous yabs and the fact that she hides almost everything about her personal life.

>> No.12473853

>>12473768
All the tempgura images is making me want tempura shrimp...

>> No.12473884

is goop goop going to stream tonight?

>> No.12473895

>>12473220
She apologized for not many solo streams, so I'm content with it. I like the collabs fine, but we get to really hear her thoughts during solo streams and interact with her better, so I usually prefer them.

>> No.12473898 [DELETED] 

>>12473777
>forced
she chose to do them and she liked doing them.

>> No.12473909

>>12473799
GURA POSTED HER CUNNY ON GLOBAL

>> No.12473939 [DELETED] 

>>12472566
>>12472684
>>12473074
>>12473445
Hitler's only mistake is that he gassed the wrong people.

>> No.12473978

>>12473799
This but unironically. I don't like leaving /ggg/.

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>>12473853
Be the change your stomach needs

>> No.12474113 [DELETED] 

>>12473809
So many retards here think her entire life is grocery store shopping, playing games, and streaming. She's incredibly reserved with what she shares on stream.

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>>12473939

>> No.12474154

>>12474053
Bro I need to stop eating fast food.

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>>12473939

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>>12473939

>> No.12474211

>>12474113
i get global might be going a tad fast for you to shitpost in but do you need to come back here and start samefagging

>> No.12474248

>>12474113
and so many people think she has a super exciting life because she doesn’t share stuff. What if she really is a hikki like she implies and doesn’t do a whole lot?

>> No.12474275 [DELETED] 

>>12474165
boobs too big

>> No.12474278

>>12474165
Source?

>> No.12474324

>>12474278
https://twitter.com/21glucose/status/1455773981022167040

>> No.12474358 [DELETED] 

>>12474248
>cute, charismatic, funny, rich girl
>doesn't do anything
DYRBI? Also she talks about going outside constantly and trying to be extroverted, she's 100% not a hikki.
Ina is probably the only person that could be considered that in EN.

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Guess he's back to samefagging then!

>> No.12474427

>>12474358
DYRBI has never been used in a good post. Yes she is those things online which is far easier for introverted people, and saying she talks about going outside constantly isn’t even threadreader at this point.

>> No.12474455
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I got sushi and I'm still sad. Why did you leave us Gura?

>> No.12474466 [DELETED] 

>>12474427
She goes to bakeries, goes to restaurants, checks out cats, goes to the salon, goes for walks, etc.
Do you think she does all of that alone? A girl that doesn't know how to drive?

>> No.12474498

>>12474358
I'm rich and get along well with most people, but my life is boring as shit. Granted I don't do absolutely nothing, but it's very easy for me to believe her life is really mundane.

>> No.12474500

>>12474466
Enough of this shit do not reply to these posts or to the replies to my post. Let the social life schizo have his last word.

>> No.12474501

>>12474376
going be funny to see the >deleted

>> No.12474509

>>12474455
>sushi
Oh god you're eating Gura

>> No.12474520

>>12474466
Yes? And that’s not constantly there’s usually days or weeks between those stories. People can walk to places. I lived in a dorm in college without a license and I walked and took the bus for all those things

>> No.12474523

>>12474500
You just fucking replied to him, retard.

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>>12472456
The need for a thread is at its peak when Gura isn't here to comfort us herself. And fuck, what if she went into someone's voice chat while there was no thread up?

>> No.12474724

>>12474466
Gura's so cute, she gets so excited to tell us whenever she went outside for a bit. I love hearing her chat about stuff.

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oh nyo

>> No.12474766

>>12474685
CBA - Chum Buddies Anonymous

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>>12474724
The stories are so mundane, it's cute.

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>>12474768
>I went outside today! I got scared by a frog
GOD SHES SO FUCKING CUTE

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>> No.12474887

>>12474818
I'm glad she remembered to wash her hands after touching it.

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feet

>> No.12474995 [DELETED] 

Holy shit, by the time she finally streams them again it will have been a full month since she played either DMC4 or Metroid Dread. For single-player linear progression games that's honestly terrible planning for any streamer.

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>>12474768
It makes me feel like I really have a sharkdaughterwife to come home to and hear about her day.

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>>12474995
>planning
Can't be terrible planning if you don't plan.

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>>12474995
Good, she should play more spooky games instead. Especially since there was barely any in the first half of October.

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>> No.12475232

Rrats on why Gura was eating popcorn a while ago? The only evidence was her getting kernels stuck in her teeth, almost like she's ashamed to say she was eating it

>> No.12475258

>>12475232
it's easy to cook

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>>12475232

>> No.12475267

>>12475232
because she was hungry

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>> No.12475286

>>12474818
Frogs are funny though. You get near one that's out of the water and half the time they just don't give a fuck

>> No.12475291 [DELETED] 

>>12475143
Oh for fuck's sake, you reminded me of her saying she planned on playing more of them in November. This next schedule really is going to be shit. Giant collab where she doesn't stream her PoV, multiple 4+ person collabs, and the rest a couple horror kusoge.

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>>12475291
Stop doomposting.

>> No.12475360

>>12475291
The schedule will be good, I can feel it

>> No.12475376

>>12475291
>and the rest a couple horror kusoge
God I wish, I hope she pulls out the Spooky's Jumpscare Mansion.

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>>12475384
Shirts rule

>> No.12475569

>>12475376
Please. Horror kusoge are her best streams.

>> No.12475589

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A90v5jlUh6g
I can't get enough of this scene, I hope we can see again Dino Gura in the future

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Got anything to cheer a chimbud up?

>> No.12475626 [DELETED] 

On the bright side maybe this means we'll be spared another shitty gacha shill stream.

>> No.12475633

>>12475349
I can hear the deathmetal music

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>>12475232
>Rrats on why Gura was eating popcorn a while ago?
Oh it's such a scandal: She didn't feel like cooking so she just ate a whole bag of popcorn as a meal.

>> No.12475639

>>12473884
Probs not as she's visiting family.

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>>12475617
>“Has mama shark heard it, what did she think?” *excited inhale* Mama shark did listen to it! Yeah, mama shark said she cried. I don’t know if she cried because of the song or because she’s just proud of me—I think it’s because she’s proud of me. Yeah… I dunno we kinda talked—I talked a little bit to her today about it. Yeah, I think, I think mama shark is proud of, of me. Yeah. But yeah, she’s heard it, mama shark heard it, and papa shark heard it also, yeah. I think they’re both proud. So, that makes me happy! Haha, yeah, makes me feel good. Haaa, haaaaaaaaa. ₕᵤha. I dunno, making my parents proud… is a really good feeling, y’knowww? I dunno. I like the feeling a lot. I like making my parents proud and I like making you guys proud.

>> No.12475674

>>12475617
>chim

>> No.12475685

>>12475232
Caramel corn. She bought a ton of candy.

>> No.12475734

>>12475636
This fucking little shark I can't believe she would do that!

>> No.12475754

>>12475232
Popcorn's a vegetable after all.

>> No.12475814

>>12475589
If not Dino-gura, what predator should gura be next Halloween?

>> No.12475832

>>12475754
Gura is on record saying it isn't a vegetable.

>> No.12475859

>>12475814
Lion Gura could be awesome too.

>> No.12476001

>>12475832
Quite the opposite.

https://youtu.be/KwCqLkbo9BA?t=1090

>> No.12476005

Fauna has likes Gura tweet. I bet she would like to be called family so Gura would do her instead of Family stuff

>> No.12476014

>>12475665
I want to make Gura proud.

>> No.12476017

So wait, did Gura ever finish or show off her haunted house?

>> No.12476044

>>12476001
Now link the times she said potatos were a vegetable and the exact opposite.

>> No.12476144

>>12476017
gura became so obsessed with secrecy that she encased the house in a dome of eight layers of obsidian, with the inside of the dome guarded by hundreds of endermen. no one can EVER see the secrets inside the house. she will NEVER show it on stream. the surprise will be protected IN PERPETUITY.

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reminder that gura's real identity isnt what you think it is

>> No.12476254

>>12476144
I’m spooked right now. Gura understands that true horror is about the unknown. Sasuga.

>> No.12476262 [DELETED] 

>>12476005
They've probably bonded behind the scenes over exploiting lonely men while lying through omission.

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>>12475617
Here is a cute picture of my wife

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It just reads like a bot posting at this point

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I really wish my browser wasn't broken right now so I could use the report functionality.

>> No.12476466

>>12475859
Scare crow watson
Tin man mori
Dorothy ina

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>> No.12476562

>>12473613
what happen?

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>> No.12476589

>>12476444
chrome?

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>> No.12476683

>>12476562
Somebody was spamming machine generated rrats in there. It was pretty funny.

>> No.12476706

good news chumbuds the room is spinning but missing gura doesn't hurt anymore

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A child

>> No.12476940

>>12476905
What a cute child!

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>>12476905
A baby

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don doooooon doooooooon

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>>12476905

>> No.12477077

>>12476994
I was Ame in the moment

>> No.12477140

>>12476706
[ ] go to sleep and stream the next day with vigor
[ ] ignore warning bells and stream
[ ] stream all night and let future gura deal with the consequences

>> No.12477193
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>>12477067
How is all of the art with Gura and Nacho so cute?

>> No.12477309

>>12477256
Genetics

>> No.12477399

>>12476905
>>12476953
>granny shark
>it's just a normal picture of gura

>> No.12477466

Will you still love Gura when she's like 40-50 (in shark years)? What about gray grandmother Gura?

>> No.12477580

>>12477466
If she's still streaming, sure. Why wouldn't I? I've already been watching other streamers for 10 years.

>> No.12477609

>>12477466
of course, I will take care my granny shark until my last breath. but I doubt if I ever outlived her tbqh

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>>12477466
I would definitely love her if I could somehow live that long. would leaving some posthumous letters be going too far?

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>> No.12477643

How long has Gura been watching Hololive?
https://youtu.be/h38izNV5ZCo?t=716 leads me to believe that she was watching them from way before she joined, probably since 2019

>> No.12477646

>>12477619
the best gurame picture ever drawn

>> No.12477684

>>12477619
He deleted his tweet, I don't think he wants this whereever you found it

>> No.12477699

>>12477616
Not far enough. You ever watch Violet Evergarden?
You gotta do the thing from that one episode with the posthumous letter every birthday that totally DID NOT make me ball my fucking eyes out.

>> No.12477742

>>12477256
Gura got her cute from her momma!

>> No.12477760

>>12477643
whenever fbk scatman and aqua numbers happened

>> No.12477775

>>12477643
why does that timestamp make you think this

>> No.12477792

>>12477643
That has a popular animation which Gura mentioned she has been watching a bunch of this year.

>> No.12477802

>>12477684
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/12272096/

>> No.12477816

>>12477684
cry about it then

>> No.12477840

>>12477792
Thats a fair point. Still, a cute stomping from Gura.

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gura cute

>> No.12477926

I want to get blackout wasted off molly and tequila with gura and fuck her senseless then hold her hair when she pukes in the morning

>> No.12478014

>>12477619
May god bless that texan autist.

>> No.12478089

>>12477643
hololive is already big enough in the west pre-holoEN thanks to Coco. hololive, ichikara, Ai and 4 heavenly kings. oh loli fps cat and Moe from Eilene co. were pretty well-known here

>> No.12478105

i miss her so much it hurts

>> No.12478165

>>12477466
Yes, and I hope she'll still enjoy spending time with us.

>> No.12478174

>>12477466
i feel like she's the type to settle down in her middle age if she's still streaming by then, i would tune in

>> No.12478200

>>12478105
It just hit me how far away Saturday is, I am NOT GOING TO FUCKING MAKE IT

>> No.12478225 [DELETED] 
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https://streamable.com

>> No.12478264

>>12478225
i saw that

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https://streamable.com/orqza2
>>12478264
oh nyo

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>>12477619

>> No.12478479
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Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night I can feel it in my mind and my heart. Even my soul. The streams I've lost... The memories I've lost... Won't. Stop. Hurting. It's like they're all still there. You feel it too don't you?
I'm gonna make 'em give back our shark.

Not for Hololive
Not for any Ideology
Not for Pettan
Not for Cunny
Not for Happiness
Not for Cute
Not for Love
Not for Unity
Only for Gura

>> No.12478517

>>12478408
HOLY SHIT!!!

>> No.12478635

>>12478200
HOLD IT IN BROTHER

HOLD

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>>12478635
I....I CAN'T....ARRRGMFMNFFGGGGUUUUURRRAAAAA

>> No.12478730

>>12478408
Fake.

>> No.12478739

>>12472507
same desu

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>>12477616
>>12477466
I got a question, would you love her if she was a ghost?

>> No.12478802

>>12478408
If only she played Isaac, I need her gamer rage so bad.
>what is this trash
>that didn't even hit me

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>>12478200
Calm down anon, time flies very quick you know, we'll be old soon anon

>> No.12478842

>>12478681
BROOOOTHEERRRR! NOOOOOOOO

>> No.12478847

Drop it low babies hiding behind your screens

>> No.12478852

>>12477466
When I was 10 I thought it would be weird if I kept watching anime.
Now I'm 24 and there's no end it watching that or Gura in sight

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>>12478820
LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN

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We must remain faithful, my brethren.
Faithful that our precious shark has not abandoned us.
Now join me for our daily prayer!
Dulce et decorum est pro cunny mori!

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>>12478730
The Watson energy is real tho.

I think they should make a talking gura plush with like 200 phrases. It would sell well for chum buddies like >>12478200

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I’m sorry to be the one to show you this chumbuds, but I feel you need to know the truth. I warn you though, it’s very hard to look at.

>> No.12479015

>>12478956
Your wish is my command, Chumbud.
I shall craft this thing you speak of.
All proceeds will go towards supers of course.

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>>12477466
I don't love gura

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>>12478994
p

>> No.12479056

51 hours and 24 minutes left

>> No.12479071

>>12479035
a-r-t-y

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>>12479033

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>> No.12479105

>>12479056
time to chill and wait
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLs6GcuYUEc

>> No.12479106

>>12478753
I would treasure every precious extra moment I got to spend with her spirit, but I love her so much that I would try my hardest to help her finish whatever is keeping her here so that she can move on in peace.

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>>12478933

>> No.12479161

Gura Winter Yukata. GURA WINTER YUKATA.

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>>12478933
Dulce et decorum est pro cunny mori.

>> No.12479197

That's it! I'm buying a Gura daki to keep me company on these Gura-less days

>> No.12479205

>>12479015
It's all good. Godspeed anon o7

>> No.12479217

>>12479161
Isn't a winter yukata just a kimono?

>> No.12479297

>>12479197
I long for the day that cover releases and official gura daki. They have one for Korone for fucks sake, our shark can have one too! The shork is straight up their top performer. I dont understand why they dont put out more merch for her.

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>>12472684
>>12473376
>>12473898
>>12474113
>>12474137
>>12474275
>>12474358
>>12474466
He'll be back soon enough. Learn to recognize and ignore his posts. They're always the same.

>> No.12479329

>>12479197
Me too. Someone please link the best options for Gura dakis

>> No.12479404

>>12479197
I've been trying to get a blahaj but it's been out of stock for months in my area.

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>>12479297
I'd buy a figure, plushie or daki if they ever put out official ones.
>>12479329
I'm looking at this one from cuddlyoctopus
>>12479404
I heard they are discontinued for now.

>> No.12479469

>>12477643
That nanora clip is from like june of last year

>> No.12479474

>>12479329
https://dakimakura.de/shop/dakimakura/438-gura-vtube-2474800000009.html
https://cuddlyoctopus.com/product/gawr-gura/

>> No.12479542

Let us merge our consciousnesses into a single gestalt entity, chumbuds, so Gura can read our messages more easily.

>> No.12479578

>>12479474
So does cover just not care about the unlicensed merchandising or do they not have the funds to pursue legal action?

>> No.12479596

Imagine bringing home some cookies and a hot chocolate for Gura and yourself, cuddling up together on the couch under a blanket, and enjoying a movie together while drinking them and eating cookies.

>> No.12479602

>>12479578
doujinshi goods have always been tolerated to a certain degree

>> No.12479604

>>12479474
I like the Gura in the 2nd one better but I'll be damned if I have to stare at fucking bloop when cuddling with my sharkpillowwife. BLOOP HATE

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>>12472818
>>12473809
>>12474995
>>12475291
>>12475626
>>12476262
And the other one. This one tries to start blend in at first but he always ends up outing himself.

>> No.12479650

>>12479474
Does that first place ship to US? I like it

>> No.12479663

About to watch Gura's original Outlast stream for the first time. What am I in for?

>> No.12479667

>>12479650
i've ordered from both vendors to the US

>> No.12479678

>>12479663
Nervous shark and blessed screams

>> No.12479679

>>12479578
As long as it doesn't break the fan works guidelines, they most likely won't care.

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>>12479197
Better than a daki. Get a plush Gura

>> No.12479745

>>12479663
https://files.catbox.moe/u93ouz.mp4

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I hope Gura has a great family time!
I wish I could visit my family, they all live in another country. It's been 2 years since I've seen them in person...

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>> No.12479879

>>12479745
its so damn cute when her voice goes super high like that, i love her so much

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Just cooked this one up

>> No.12479935

>>12479679
https://en.hololive.tv/terms
>Do not use our content for business purposes...
>...or for purposes that can be deemed as for-profit.

>> No.12479940

>>12479197
I did, it was definitely worth it
>>12479436
I've never had another but the CO one is really soft and seems to be very well made.

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>> No.12479999

>>12479732
cute and extremely huggable

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>>12479474
>https://cuddlyoctopus.com/product/gawr-gura/
How can anyone possibly fall asleep with this much cunny right next to them?

>> No.12480085

>>12480001
I do every night, and it's great. I'm still waiting on that shark dream though..

>> No.12480152

>>12480001
Wow that's pretty cu...
>https://cuddlyoctopus.com/product/pekora-4/
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>> No.12480155

>>12479436
That artist has made some really cute art, but the eyes are just off model enough that I wouldn't want it as a daki

>> No.12480159

>>12480085
Ive had a Bae dream, and I dont even watch her streams. I have yet to have a shark dream.
Is something wrong with me?

>> No.12480185

>>12479935
i dont think fanart is considered as "their content"

>> No.12480230

>>12479732
Cute but I think cuddling a daki is nicer

>> No.12480248

>>12480001
I wish I could do that, unfortunately that daki would be illegal in my country, since for some reason drawings have rights or something.

>> No.12480303

>>12480248
What, do you live in canada or something?

>> No.12480316

>>12480159
Nah, I wish it was easier to control your dreams so I could have one with Gura I had one of Mumei the other day though

>> No.12480332

>>12480303
Yes. I am very sad about this.

>> No.12480345

>>12480316
I had one with Ame, weird because I don't usually remember my dreams

>> No.12480435

>>12475232
You're a retard. I eat popcorn everyday for no special reason. Without butter it's a pretty healthy and filling snack with great fiber content.

>> No.12480477

Has there been a soundpost made with this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_4U4zDuKsA

>> No.12480493

>>12480435
>Without butter
DYRBI??????

>> No.12480503

>>12478200
Isn't it more like late Friday night?

>> No.12480527

>>12480477
nope, I haven't seen soundpostbud in a while. feel free to make one anon

>> No.12480532

>>12480085
How do you have to balls to actually buy that and physically have it in your living space? Are you that secure in your privacy, or are you just a madlad? I've got roommates so I can't do it either way.

>> No.12480565

>>12480345
I don't either, so sometimes I like to tell myself that I've had shark dreams but don't remember them. I doubt that's the case though

>> No.12480604

>>12480332
Ive never crossed into canada before so I wouldnt know, but how hard could it be to smuggle cunny art accross the border? Have it shipped to a P.O. box in the US, fold it up and stash it with your spare tire in the trunk. You could have the pillow shipped directly to your address, or you could just declare it if you like.

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>>12479999
Holy checked! Also thanks anon.

>>12480230
Thanks anon, yeah and daki are prob easier to explain to friends too. I like plush Gura because it has arms to hug you back! :D

>> No.12480662

>>12480611
>Judy and Gura
Based.

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>>12480332
Sorry for your misfortune, leafbud. Can you save explicit images legally? Or slightly lewd ones like this?

>> No.12480755

>>12480532
My personal space is generally left alone but I just don't really care about what other people think. My family and friends know I'm an anime fan, and to an extend a vtuber fan, but no one really cares.

>> No.12480757

>>12480611
Hi plushanon. Have you considered making a plush with a "usable" mouth? How do the sex parts work in general? Do you just put a fleshlight down there?

>> No.12480815

>>12480604
If theres a PO box just over the border that you have access to then yeah thats no problem. And border control isn't so tight that they go through every car that goes by. You would just have to make a day of it. Right now tho is a bit difficult with the covid restrictions, have to have a negative covid test done in the US on your own dime before you can come back over.
>>12480700
Not legally no, which sucks. I mostly ignore it for images, but I wont reupload any cunny because thats how they catch you. They can't tell if you've saved an image from asking your ISP but if you're uploading it they can get that information. I frequent sadpanda enough that if they were to have caught me they would have done so by now.

>> No.12480818

>>12480332
>Gura isn't a child but a small adult
>There is a non-nude version
That seems odd that you would run into problems, sounds rough either way bud

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>>12480757

>> No.12480836

>>12480435
Say that when you're asshole starts bleeding

>> No.12480861

>>12480818
Doesn't matter if its non nude, if its lewd in any way they would slam you for it.

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Canada really doesn't care that much

>> No.12481152

>>12480755
Same, but it's a completely different level to have a naked anime girl body pillow, and it's a level beyond that to have one that's cunny. I think I'd get crucified for that. Do you not care, or are your friends and family just that cool?

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>>12480757
Hey there anon, thanks for the question. I'm sure not everyone would be interested in this answer so spoiler alert for NSFW, read no further. Any way, yeah I have actually and have a few characters in mind for that type of head design. As for the functional parts, the plush can be used as is or have a onahole inserted. Different people like it different ways.

>> No.12481224

>>12480662
Good taste anon, good taste.

>> No.12481453

>>12480815
>>12480861
>Not legally no
>if it's lewd in any way they would slam you for it
>even if it's a 9000 year old adult sharkgirl
>even if it's a drawing
That's so utterly dystopic. I hope things get better for you.

>> No.12481463

>>12481161
So based.

>> No.12481486

>>12481453
Could be worse. In Australia legal adults who are flat chested can't even do porn

>> No.12481700

>>12481453
nta, but Canada only locks people up who bring loli art/dolls through the border. They don't enforce it otherwise.

>> No.12481780 [DELETED] 

Anons, remember, if she had a boyfriend she would not have such awful eating and sleeping habits.

>> No.12481812

>>12481152
I didn't get the nude version, but the the worst I've ever gotten about anime/vtubers are some jokes and that's about it. I wasn't thinking about being judged when I got it, I just wanted to hug my sharkwife

>> No.12481813

>>12481700
That and if they have reason to confiscate your hard drives.

>> No.12481825

>>12479474
That first one is the best dakis I've seen so far. All the other ones annoy me because the shoes are still on. There should never be shoes in bed.

>> No.12481899

>>12481486
...wow. Gura knows how much people love her body type and is STILL envious of girls with big chests and back problems. Just imagine what kind of mental health issues it creates if a country declares that everyone who appreciates your body type is a fucking criminal.

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>>12480477
Testing, I haven't made a soundpost in a while

>> No.12481908

>>12481825
I will sometimes collapse into my bed with my shoes still on after work.
My legs are still hanging off the edge though

>> No.12481969

>>12481700
Any loli or just explicit?

>> No.12481984

>>12481908
Even if I'd had a long day at work shoes immediately come off the second I get in the house. Then the pants. Doesn't matter how tired I am.

>> No.12482021

>>12481969
Anything that looks like its in a "sexual manner"

>> No.12482025
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12482025

Who put Gura in the corner and why?

>> No.12482055

>>12481902
nice thank you, though I feel like the audio could sound better if you uploaded just the sound file to catbox

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>>12481780
kek. We don't even need it, but that's probably the easiest shut-down of any boyfriend rrat/bait to ever exist.

>> No.12482061

>>12482025
Australia, for no fucking reason.

>> No.12482073

>>12481899
Yeah its honestly pretty fucked up. Telling small girls they shouldn't be allowed to be wanted

>> No.12482086

>>12481969
Im assuming cartoon children rated PG is fine. Cant imagine all of their cartoons solely feature adult characters.

>> No.12482175

>>12481780
Don't even mind that schizo. He acts like nobody can get around without a driver's license and a car.

>> No.12482176

>>12481899
She schlicks to booba daily, please understand. Back problems don't matter to her.

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>>12481812
>I didn't get the nude version
Ah, that's a different story. I would or now will get some weird looks from family and ribbing from friends for getting a daki that isn't explicit, but they won't rake me over the coals for it.

>> No.12482510

>>12482209
Show your parents the cunny pillow. They deserve to know about the thing they spawned.

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>>12482510
I feel sorry for people with parents who don't support them.

>> No.12482641

>>12481780
Anon nobody here taking the boyfriend rrat seriously. It's even turning into a meme on this board so don't worry.

>> No.12482668

>>12482510
My parents don't care what I spend my money on as long as it's not drugs

>> No.12482735

>>12482063
I don't get why people think girls with boyfriends can't eat and sleep terribly.

>> No.12482760

>>12482510
My mom knows.

>> No.12482769

>>12482510
Don't worry it's all going in the time capsule, and the coordinates will be in the note

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>> No.12482878
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12482878

>>12482760
Based mom. She knows and loves her son who loves a cute and funny shark. Treat your mom well anon, you have a good one.

>> No.12483195
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>>12482735
What do you mean? Even if their own habits suck, men make their women do healthy things. Women want to be healthy for their man. This is pretty basic manliness. I might be a little outdated with all the onions boy/zoomer stuff, but that doesn't apply to Gura.

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>>12483195
You actually believe this.

>> No.12483315

>>12483195
stop projecting, only chumbuds want Gura to do healthy things, and her parents. a boyfriend would just try to get her to do drugs.

>> No.12483577
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12483577

>bait disguised as people that would make bad boyfriends
Pretty sneaky. I'll give you that one.

>> No.12483750
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12483750

If you're going to make a bad post, consider instead not making a post.

>> No.12483770
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12483770

Sharkpit zone.

>> No.12483841

>>12483770
this is a good post

>> No.12483879

Remember, seeing a bait post get deleted with no replies is quite satisfying

>> No.12483953 [SPOILER] 
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>> No.12483961

goop gopo not strm streaming tont

>> No.12484057

>>12483953
im mad that the uncensored version is less satisfying than this version

>> No.12484075
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>>12483770
sniff em n lick em

>> No.12484103

>>12483961
dry heaving and crying becaus no goop goop

>> No.12484129
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>>12484075
yeh boi

>> No.12484137
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>> No.12484282
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12484282

>>12484075
same

>> No.12484927
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12484927

I am the last chumbud.

>> No.12484957
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12484957

Any day without Gura is a terrible day for me, you guys have a goodnight.

>> No.12484999

>>12484927
but I'm still here, Shion

>> No.12485102
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>>12484999
Leave

>> No.12485178
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12485178

>>12485102
Convince me to.

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>>12484103
Did the same when I saw today's tweet.
48 Hours Remain.

>> No.12485253

>>12485178
Hoo boy, I'm rolling for this hot babe!

>> No.12485287
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12485287

Hora dorufin hora doru fan
Hora dorufin doru fan doru fon

>> No.12485308

>>12484129
>those FUCKING ARMPITS
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX

>> No.12485377
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>>12485287

>> No.12485454

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSslJ-DYEis
I miss this BGM so much bros, I hope she uses it again someday

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12485474

If you think about it, usually, when 48 hours remain until the next stream, that would mean that we're already one full day into a 2 day break, at 8PM EST.
I think I might make it.

>> No.12485505

>>12485454
they were both so good. she just starts to hate anything she listens to too much though. understandable i guess.

>> No.12485520

>>12485454
This is hitting me too hard tonight. She started using this one right around the time I started falling super hard for her. It's been less than a year, but I still feel intense nostalgia and longing already.

>> No.12485632

>>12485505
the other one for reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyF9qaQtjxg

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>>12485454
I was late to the party and already miss her original BGM. I've been watching vods often enough that this one hasn't become a thing of the past, but it's gonna hit hard when it does.

>> No.12485804

It's so cute that she remembers this. She's so cute. Gura cute.
https://youtu.be/C0RdvGE2WVI?t=17620

>> No.12486059

>>12485804
that's too relatable to be cute

>> No.12486062

If they were trying to throw me in jail for having Gura porn would Gura testify for me in my defense?

>> No.12486072
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12486072

Goodnight chumbuds, be strong and endure days without gura, we can make it.

>> No.12486183

sniiiiiiiiiff
https://youtu.be/C0RdvGE2WVI?t=13134

>> No.12486190

>>12485454
>>12485632
>40 years from now
>you are an oji-san
>you walk into a grocery store
>hear one of these songs playing over the speakers
what do?

>> No.12486249

>>12486190
cri

>> No.12486289

>>12486072
Oyasame

>> No.12486294

>>12486190
40 years from now I'll probably be dead from heart disease or suicide.

>> No.12486439
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12486439

You know what, I'm just gonna say it. I fucking miss goop goop

>> No.12486459

>>12486190
tear off my clothes, shit and cum on the produce and fling them at any passerby, then be forcefully escorted back to prison.

>> No.12486497

>>12486072
Night buddy, she'll be back soon

>> No.12486499

Anyone else find it suspicious that she took a break right at the start of Nonstop Nut November? What could she be doing right now?

>> No.12486524

>>12486190
>40 years from now
>you are an oji-san
40 years from now I'm long dead and cremated.

>> No.12486548

>>12486190
Turn to my wife, Gura, and give her a head pat.

>> No.12486577

>>12486548
I made this post

>> No.12486713

>>12486294
>>12486524
Same but imagine if you weren't

>> No.12486797

>>12486548
>this is my future
I'm going to make it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI3GBdXxXE0
tfw no goober

>> No.12486900

>>12486190
I have a family history of dementia and fear that I won't remember Gura someday, also my family, I guess

>> No.12487171

>>12486900
If it happens, I hope it's as painless as possible, bud. No matter what, she'll be there to comfort you in the afterlife.

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>>12487171
She'll be with us, even in the afterlife?

>> No.12487366

>>12486900
Dont worry, it's not hereditary.

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UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

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>> No.12487665

>>12487406
This ass looks half finished...

>> No.12487680

>>12487665
Don't worry I'll finish on it

>> No.12487703

>>12487665
Shark girl anatomy is a little weird. Don't question it if you don't want a shitty tail.

>> No.12487767
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12487767

For some reason this art makes me want a SoL anime with HoloMyth cast more than anything else. With Gura as the main protagonist, of course.

>> No.12488340

King's cover copyright claim removed
https://youtu.be/qNIhngowViI

>> No.12488531

>>12488340
Say it with me everyone, copyright law is stupid.

>> No.12488543
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12488543

I miss Gura..

>> No.12488553
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>> No.12488969

>>12487358
Yes, with our wizard powers combined.

>> No.12489987

https://twitter.com/airaniiofifteen/status/1456128466491871237
Seems like Gura’s team is losing Iofi. Not a great loose she is like the worst gamer of all hololive.

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>> No.12490219

I think that gura has finished her haunted house and will give tour to all the members after the sports fest

>> No.12490247

>>12488531
giving power to an AI is stupid

>> No.12490305

>>12490219
She hasn't logged into the regular MC server in like 2 weeks.

>> No.12490336

>>12490305
I know, but I believe that she has already finished building the house

>> No.12490355

>>12490219
She hasn’t connect to the server for almost 3 weeks and was 65% done at that time so no.
She will continue if she feels like it. She seems like she was busy a lot this last weeks about personal stuff and hololive stuff so I won’t blame her on it

>> No.12490648

>>12490336
She would have done something with it for Halloween if she had it finished for that long.

>> No.12490698

>>12490219
Why are so obsessed over the haunted house?

>> No.12490801

>>12490016
Night bud.

>> No.12490840

>>12490698
That's Gura posting about it so much that anons don't want her to finish it so she doesn't have to

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