People who swapped Oshis, why did you do it?

[Anonymous No.]

Was she too boring? Too much rrats?

[Anonymous No.]

I would never abandon my oshi the wonderful and talented ninomae ina'nis. I just dropped by to let you know I want to beat kiara up

[Anonymous No.]

I went from Kiara to Sana, for many reasons. I'd just had enough of Kiara's attitude, mic settings and cringey fans. I wish Sana had debuted a year ago instead, so it wouldn't have felt like a year wasted.

[Anonymous No.]

>WE FIGHT FOR JUSTICE
>IN A FORGOTTEN PLACE
>FULFILL OUR DUTY
>THEN VANISH WITHOUT A TRACE

>DON'T NEED A MEDAL
>FOR ALL THE MEN WE KILL
>FREEDOM IS CALLING
>TO ALL MEN WHO BEND THEIR WILL


>WIND OF DESTRUCTION

[Anonymous No.]

>anyone having Kiara as an oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
I went from haachama to wosemi, since haachama insisted on trying to live a normie life by going to uni.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963002
>>11963279
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
Started with Mori, from the day they debuted. Got a membership day 1 and all.
Then I heard Gura sing and never looked back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
Didn't swap but I remember my oshi writing a song abut this scenario.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
She’ve changed. I hate her now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963575
I dont hate her but I agree. I think she will go back to "normal" one day but for now me and haachama is broke up. its not the crazy act but its the latest arc for me, the ayame arc.
I recommend rosemi from nijisanji, she is like old haato before going clazy and clazy (not really but idk, I like her).

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963732
>the ayame arc.
explain

[Anonymous No.]

>>11964383
streams once a month and doesnt care about her haatons anymore. she doesnt even do the meme review or speak english and many other such broken promises

[Anonymous No.]

Switched from Ame to Pomu, I always liked Pomu but she tended to overlap with Ame so I didn't watch her much. Got tired of Ame's change in attitude and her constant stream cancelling so I started to watch Pomu more and I realized what I've been missing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11964520
>she doesnt even do the meme review
That’s a good thing. We don’t need more r*dditors in the fanbase. The Reddit Dragon have already attracted enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11964711
The fan base is probably >90% redditors

[Anonymous No.]

>>11964520
Practically everything you just said is a lie. You're not a Haaton. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

Sometimes I want to swap Kiara, I miss how she acted when she was in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11964943
you fuck off dumb retart. everything I said is true, I watch every haachama stream and have a 2 year membership.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11965057
>paypigs

[Anonymous No.]

>>11965020
Sticking with your oshi if you no longer enjoy watching her is stupid, you'll just start to hate her if you haven't already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963002
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
>thought this would be a good thread.
>people are hung up on Kiara and Hacha.
I had something to add, but no, fuck this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11964696
you can't bringing up ame and holo in the niji threads so you might as well go back or shut up
no sympathy for annoying ex fans, just enjoy the girls in peace

[Anonymous No.]

>>11965148
Dropping her after so much has happened seems like a waste and would make me feel guilty.
I don't hate her, I just think she was cuter during that period in Japan. Now she acts way more like a real everyday woman though she's incredibly clingy as well, and that throws me off a bit.

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>>11962887
My oshi was Ina but I took the indiepill because I found chuubas who react to my presence and I can have real conversations with

[Anonymous No.]

I went from the one I found most entertaining to the one I most want to marry

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963370
Kiara is the only EN girl I retained my membership to and actively watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>Seasonal oshis
You deserve the rope

[Anonymous No.]

>>11965020
Honestly, if she posted more stuff about her home and highlighted things to like there, then she'd probably recapture some of the glamor. But she treats her home like the "boring" place.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm still a deadbeat, but Reine really indulges my language and culture autism. I'm even learning Bahasa Indonesia for her and watch her more frequently than my own oshi sometimes. But at the end of the day, my soul still belongs to the reaper.

[Anonymous No.]

She turned into a screeching bitch and kept dropping shit she couldn't brute force.
Still waiting on that charity shit btw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963141
Sana is literally the best traits of Kiara without her many flaws

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966583
The 2 aren't even remotely similar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966002
Groomerdachi...

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966549
>She turned into a screeching bitch
Yeah, it's the reason I avoid half of HoloEN right now. Hopefully, Kronii and Mumei holds up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966431
To me it's not about that, it's about her attitude. It felt way more cozy when she was in Japan, like she opened more to her fans and also was less bitchy.
She gained confidence after returning to austria but also leaned more on that basic bitch side of hers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
An oshi is a lifelong commitment. If you swap her for someone else then she was never really your oshi in the first place. This makes the entire premise of your thread both gay and wrong. As expected of the infamous faggot known as OP.

[Anonymous No.]

She said she'd do music production streams and never did, and I generally couldn't stand her anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966799
So you literally haven't watched a single Kiara stream in the past 3 months or so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966799
Yeah. It's like she was in a polite society, so she tried to fit in. Now? Gone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
I switched from Lulu to Suisei when she graduated, but now she's back!

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
My oshi originally was Mori, then I kinda dropped her when she lost the dorky side she had at the beginning and became too much of a wigger for me. Remember when she was doing those silly date streams? Good times.
Now my oshi is Selen. Her taste in videogames is impeccable, even though I don't care for Apex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966549
>Still waiting on that charity shit btw
i feel like every time someone asks for it, she delays it more, just so you fags can never get what you keep whining about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11967571
Same, I dropped her around February. I never liked her music very much but I put up with it while I found her endearing. Is Selen funny? I've heard about her but haven't checked her out

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
what I learned from this thread is that everyone is dropping their hololive oshis for niji ones, interesting…

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968243
Now you know why the NijiEN thread feels like a smaller /hlgg/ with zero moderation. Very different from the Nijisanji thread on /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968034
Sure, she's great. She's a pure tomboy, she plays a ton of boomer games I remember from the good old days, and she always tries to entertain her audience, even on superchat readings. On the recent one she did, she was making origami stars for each superchat she received, and it was fun as hell because even her mom ended up joining in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qdR-XrBRII

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968822
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bosY6OYWF48
Also, this stream is a good sample of her content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968822
She sounds very fun, thanks. At least I don't have to worry about Mori bringing down the Minecraft festival lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
I have a very short attention span

[Anonymous No.]

>>11964711
Go and take a peek at hololivereddit and you will see the new superstars are Kronii and Mumei, they have been dominating in reddit since debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11970419
You mean only Kronii

[Anonymous No.]

>>11965057
Let her has a life anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
Every time I think of being super loyal to only one I start to just lose interest in streams in general and go to clips, which always leads me astray.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11971033
you probably didn't even like her

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
The day I abandon my oshi is the day I abandon vtubers. I graduate when she does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
I change my oshi Coco to Kson.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966687
They are and they aren't. I get annoyed at seeing "the new Kiara" posts, but you can make the case that Sana is Kiara without the ego. Both suffer from those "voice/design debuff" faggots, and both have smaller fanbases (which isn't a negative.) The biggest thing that sets them apart is how they handle the above. Sana doesn't give a shit, whereas ... well, we know Kiara's attitude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963367
thought she was pressured into uni by her parents, and doesn’t rlly want to be there

[Anonymous No.]

When I was starting out I tried sticking to only one. I liked her avatar/design and her voice but not so much her streams, especially during some collabs. I ended up looking at another one whose content I enjoyed so I switched to her. I don't really use the term "oshi" but it can apply here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966583
Kiara only takes around three days off while completely uprooting herself, Sana takes two weeks off because a replaceable animal died.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
Kaguya Luna became too innactive and kind of got more interested in my new oshi during that time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11973012
Autism.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not a GFEfag so I watch all the holos plus a few nijiniggers and indies that I like. Being attached to one entertainer can go south for you pretty bad if their personality changes for the worse over time and that has happened even in hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
She speaks more complex Japanese then I can currenlty understand.

[Anonymous No.]

I dropped Mori around June then I picked her up again a few months later

[Anonymous No.]

First of all, unity is love, no girl is bad. The first vtuber and streamer in general I started watching was Pikamee. Then when Ina played Edith Finch I started getting into hololive. Then Ame had a watchalong with Bladerunner and I fell for her really fucking hard. She's been my oshi ever since. As of now I watch Ina Gura Calli Mumei Pikamee Ame and Kronii, but my focus is on Ame and Mumei where as the others I watch when those two aren't streaming or they play a game I really like. I also fucking hate minecraft and the ongoing minecraft arc is killing me inside.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11973447
>He doesnt know

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963575
Me also. But with Matuli

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963254
based

[Anonymous No.]

Mumei became my oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
Unholy stream time. Ame at 5 a.m and Ina at 3 a.m. Goddammit how to tune in

[Anonymous No.]

>>11973012
Sana going menhera over her NUMBERS, the dog is just an excuse

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963575
I cant imagine having Haato as an oshi and seeing her completely change the way she did. I feel for you guys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
I found better one.
Also ultimately my lol old oshi ended degrading into shadow of herself so maybe cutting her off was better than watching her just dilluting into trash.

[Anonymous No.]

Kiara for Pomu. Idk there's something that really kept pushing me away from Kiara. Maybe I'm crazy, but I think there's something that she does that really has a cult leader quality that attracts lonely vulnerable men that really creeps me out. She's not the only one, of course, but I don't want to be part of this. With Pomu is more relaxing, is like having a weeb dorky friend that has similar taste.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
I just fell out with her as my love for my current oshi outgrew my love for her

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
Boring. Stale. Stagnant. Uncreative. Lazy. Presumably blocked by management from branching out.

Once I found a Niji I liked, it was easy to switch over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968822
Only downside is she's a chink. Cantonese and mandarin are ugly languages just like the people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
Old oshi's fans are one of the worst, forcing a certain meme to her and she's pandering to them with their reddit-tier humor.

Current oshi is pretty much EOP free.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11973012
Because she's not a numberfag; only fans who drank the GFE koolaid or have nothing else going on in their lives demand that their oshi be obsessed about streaming. Also, long-time pets aren't easily "replaceable", especially to emotional people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11967571
>when she lost the dorky side she had at the beginning
But her dorky side hasn't gone anywhere?
Or what do you mean by her losing it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11977468
Kek coco and kson?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
I've kept my JP oshi (Watame) but swapped EN from Mori to Kronii. Mori had a real drought of interesting content and Kronii had some incredible streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11977341
I don't know, i used to think the same but when i heard Selen sang some parts of the Hamtaro song on Canto... NGMI...

[Anonymous No.]

>>11963002
Why do so many people want to beat kiara up and/or hatefuck her?
Is it because she's austrian?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11979301
link please PLEASE

[Anonymous No.]

>>11978833
She alternates between condescending to viewers like they're children (or men in diapers like that infamous video game clip), and being a cringey loltuffguy wigger. Both are extremely offputting if you're an adult man who just wants to be amused by funny gaming commentary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11979304
Ja.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11979304
NTA but the combination of ESL and having that strange Austrian droll sense of humor has her come off as being rude when I don't think she intends it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
Kronii...

Never streams.
Superchat whoring/puts superchats on a pedestal.
Reddit tier TTS requests
Plays Minecraft offstream galore
Mocks criticism of her fans
Always the latest to post schedule despite abundance of free time.

Bitch became Ayame right after SC + member unlock, after putting lots of misleading effort on her early revenue-less streams.
Now she barely streams because she knows she'll get 15k watchers and loads Superchats regardless of what shit she does.
Her main appeal is deep voice + big tit design by coomer-expert FGO artist.

I hate this bitch with every fiber of my being now.
Also her general nothing but pure garbage spam.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11980687
Did you found a new oishi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
I realized that smaller vtubers have a certain quality to them that just can't be replicated by big ones, like actually being able to talk with them in chat. It's also one thing to watch people like Gura or Ina cry tears of joy, and another to watch someone do it over getting 10k subs. It makes me really want to root for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11980573
>condescending
You are bit too harsh on that part its not like she hates her fans(but /vt/ will say otherwise because anons have even worse autism than Mori does). I think she does that sometimes mostly because she was so many years in a job that was mostly spending time with children that it just comes out naturally but i don't think she does all the time in her streams.
>and being a cringey loltuffguy wigger
Outside of some outdated slang she doesn't really act like wigger all that much.
But i get that Mori filters a lot with her mannerism but to others its her appeal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
My oshi doesnt have much time left on her so i'll stick with her till Life claim her expired and i'll off myself to meet her in the other side

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966828
>An oshi is a lifelong commitment.
This. They're not your oshi. They're just your oishis.

[Anonymous No.]

As my oshi grew bigger she stopped paying as much attention to her initial fans and interacting on a personal level less and less

Swapped over to another small vtuber who actually looks forward to me being there and is grateful

[Anonymous No.]

she lured me in with her cuteness and hooked me with her crippling autism

[Anonymous No.]

At some point very early on Mori was my favorite chuuba for a brief time, although she quickly became "just" second favorite chuuba. After all her 5% moments though, I absolutely despise her and wouldn't mind if she left Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

At first it was Watame, then it was Nene and now it's a never-ending game of Civ 4 but instead of America and China it's Nene and Selen. Selen might eventually win though, she perfectly ticks every box so to speak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11973012
Your mother is a replaceable animal, in a sexual sense to be clear

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
swap ame to gura, ame attitude, canceling streans and abandoning projects .

[Anonymous No.]

>>11966891
I’m a person who exists, so no.

[Anonymous No.]

Can't be assed to stay immersed in the holoEN walled garden for one streamer even if I love and respect the hell out of her. It's too hard to give a shit about anything but her solo content and she streams at kinda shitty times for me now that I'm a wagie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11981927
>After all her 5% moments though, I absolutely despise her
Even when she clearly has inclined since June?
I mean i get that usually around this time she would have already slipped up but she hasn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11979220
Marine and Overseas Sexy Guys who force "Horny" nonstop.

I miss the times where she can actively filter EOPs with her content. And even then, the only times EOP fuck off is when she streams 2hu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11982773
>literally the only Holo who won't appear at the sports festival
Try again.
Oh wait, it "doesn't count" right because of muh coincidental recording with the tophat manlet, just like all the other billion trillion times she dipped out on a major holo event because of shit excuses like being on vacation or "muh sleep"

[Anonymous No.]

>>11983056
Why are teamates like thjs

[Anonymous No.]

>>11964711
Coco didn't bring redditors in, they were already there and she simply capitalized on it. The people you should be blaming are Gura, Korone and, to a lesser extent, Fubuki or Matsuri

[Anonymous No.]

>11983161
>Coco didn't bring redditors in
I know Coconiggers are retarded but I never knew they were this delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
Kronii > Fauna
Kronii was 3 weeks in a row of non-stop let downs and likely going for the 4th.
Can't say if Fauna is my real oshi, because I don't like ASMR, which is her main thing.

[Anonymous No.]

She graduated :(
I just can't get invested anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11983056
What about the Among Us collab? Or the Mario Kart collab? Or the 3000 other major collab she actually participated in? If she was the person you think she is, then she would have excused herself even from those.
>other bilion trilion time she dipped out on major holo event
Like?

[Anonymous No.]

haachama was so menhera that I went to the polar opposite and watch botan now

[Anonymous No.]

>>11983056
I don't think she's working with the manlet atm. If it was, a normal home studio would've sufficed. It's someone new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11980899
>its not like she hates her fans
You are correct, that is actually Ina

[Anonymous No.]

>>11967767
How convenient for Ame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
I don't drop an oshi, I just get more of them. I'm a bit of a slut that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11983056
>recording with the tophat manlet
If it was with him then she would just be recording from her home like usually.

[Anonymous No.]

considered selling once
never did
it paid off

[Anonymous No.]

I thought her balanced and subdued demeanor was due to a disciplined commitment to her character. Apparently, she was just constantly nervous and stressed about slipping up. It's good that she changed but her new self is just not for me, so I left.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11985473
To be fair, have you looked at /wah/ during a collab? One of the most hateful places on this board.
If I was Ina, I would hate my fanbase too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11983056
imagine holding over her head something she's been working on hyping up for like half a year now
peak treadshitting dramanigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>11986406
Same. I still watch her, but she's no longer the one I enjoy the most. For me it started around her birthday stream and from there her attitude slowly started changing for the worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11986676
I try to not interact with or read anything from takokeks
Worst and most vile fanbase by a long shot

[Anonymous No.]

>>11986406
>>11986819
Shit taste. Gura has vastly improved since she became more genuine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11987037
Nice genuine tantrums she almost threw again in the latest amogus collab
Childish just like her fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

>>11980899
I assume you Oshi Mori, so I have a question. Her solo content is just fine from the little I've watched, but why does it sound like she's either asleep or so unenthused during 3/4ths of the collabs I've seen her in? Is it really just her normal self while in groups? Is it also true that she used to seem a lot peppier when she was collabing with irl friends outside of Hololive? I'll be honest and say that I haven't seen anything that she has done collab-wise that didn't have my Oshi in it, so my only impression of her collab self is in those streams and all the stupid rrats I read here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11987037
What you call genuine, I call sloppy. Feels like I'm just watching some random zoomer off twitch as opposed to a polished, deliberate entertainer.
Which, fair enough, probably appeals to more people, so good for you anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>11987037
>Gura has vastly improved since she became more genuine.
Nah. Many people disagree. Sorry if that offends you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11987636
anonchama, don't make it obvious of how few streams you watched

[Anonymous No.]

From bottom to top
>The voice change kinda killed her for me, I literally can't see her as anything other than a cool idol chuuba
>Picked her up because of the Hoshi no Kanata day, dropped because I was getting kinda bored of her
>Picked her up since the redesign debut stream, dropped because of the same reason as above
>Day 1 member, dropped because her mask was starting to crack ever since the early Ender Lillies stream for me and I didn't really like what I see. 1 year is enough.
>Day 1 member as well and by far the fastest I've dropped a Holo thanks to her schedule.

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>>11962887
Swapped oshis because she started streaming 1-2 times per month and got addicted to apex instead of streaming the stuff I liked before (art, indie sci-fi games, cute collabs in games that weren’t apex). I stuck around for 3 months or so until I found someone new. Sudden success made her complacent and lazy, I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
I switched when I found out she was anti-vax. Dumbass motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11988750
>Day 1 member to fucking Kronii
jesus christ

[Anonymous No.]

>>11988750
>her mask was starting to crack ever since the early Ender Lillies
Please elaborate

[Anonymous No.]

>>11988867
>Wada Arco design
>Nice voice
>The first 2 weeks was kinda good for me
Don't make fun of me too much anon, I really regretted it...

[Anonymous No.]

>>11988867
>>Day 1 member to fucking Kronii
No member stream this week either LMAO
Kroniies are cucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11989020
Nta, but I bet it has something to do with the vtuber fans are losers comment lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>11988867
>>Day 1 member to fucking Kronii
No one can blame him. Kronii put 200% effort on her pre-super chat streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887

Started watching chuubas because of Sui-chan (probably 2 years ago [200k subs]). Haven't changed my main oshi since then.

I started subscribing to her membership on her birth month haven't cancelled since then. I still believe in merch supremacy tho.

Idk man it just feels good seeing your oshi reaching her dreams and you being a part of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11988750
>>dropped because her mask was starting to crack ever since the early Ender Lillies stream for me
wdym?
i did not watch ender lillies because i find it unbelievably boring

[Anonymous No.]

>>11984056
Nobody is gonna reply cause they're just doomposting as usual

[Anonymous No.]

Was a day 1 member, and for a while I thought she was gonna start being active on youtube when all those changes happened but I was wrong. She's still too busy with other stuff including her other channel. Switched to Tama instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
>Too much rrats?
Imagine letting random people making shit up on the internet ruin your enjoyment of something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11986819
>liked Gura more after her attitude changed
>liked Ame less after her attitude changed
What dopes this mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11986819
>liked Gura more after her attitude changed
>liked Ame less after her attitude changed
What does this mean?

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanjification

[Anonymous No.]

Nobuhime to Selen
Not much you can do when your oshi graduates, and their reincarnation doesn't translate streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
I followed HoloEN since the beginning. Around January/February my oshi was Ina but my overall investment in it decreased to the point I only watched Ina, Gura's karaoke streams and Ame when she did an interesting stream/karaoke. I set out and found a cool set of indies to fill those dead hours. Among them was a 30-50 view vtuber streaming mostly on the weekends playing some PS2 RPGs. I spent some months watching her and went full gosling.jpg with her. She then graduated, I was depressed as fuck for a while, it had been the first graduation of someone I gave a fuck about (and that reincarnation wasn't basically guaranteed)
By this time I at least had the cope of those set of indies I mentioned earlier making it into nijisanji, so I was following them with Pomu being my favorite. So yeah, I changed kami-oshi not once, but twice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11988750
None of those were your oshi, you just wanted to "pick a side" to fit in and possibly shitfling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
I got into vidya again and the magic just faded away. I started watching less and less streams but still made sure to watch big events.

When I watched one of my new oshi's 3D Lives I was just amazed by it and thought to myself: "She's the real deal".

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
Because I watch them for entertainment, and harbor no delusions that we're in some sort of relationship. As a result have absolutely no qualms about moving to someone else with content I feel like watching on any given day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11962887
I won't go into detail about which chuubas specifically for mine and their sake, but I'd originally found my oshi in one of the HoloENs.
While my time with her was always great, the big barrier between huge streamer and insignificant viewer could never make me more than a hopeless gosling.
At some point I started getting into some indies and one girl specifically captured my heart to such an extent I was ignoring my oshi's members stream for one of her regular streams.
Eventually I ended up unfollowing her and blocking her everywhere for my sake and went back to enjoying my original and significantly more emotionally reliable corpo oshi.
Why? Words of advice: Do NOT go gosling for indies, the closeness and direct contact may be enticing, but no matter what they promise, they WILL end up cucking you and the rest of their fans with some m*le. The highs may be easier to reach when you can just talk to them with ease, but the potential emotional turmoil just isn't worth it.
Idols won't let you down, idols will gladly feed your parasocial desires.
Of course you won't have to worry about any of this if you're a sane person, but wdytwa?

[Anonymous No.]

What >>11963141 said explains it perfectly. I enjoyed debut kiara despite a lot of things, especially since she was clearly the more socially active one among Myth, but at that time she was at least somewhat humble and trying to improve still. Now her egos trough the roof and her fans just became yesmen that dont have any care of her streaming quality, even if shes literally letting her chat just grab the wheel and play the game for her. It's almost impossible to enjoy watching her anymore nowadays.

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I don't get people, the whole point of having an oshi (not the same as having a favorite streamer) is to support them and watch them grow, if you drop your oshi because she had some lows she was never your oshi

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>>11980832
Luckily yes

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>>11962887
I liked Nyan when she first started, but I followed HoloEN1's first 5-6 months or so and fell in love with Ame... but it eventually got stale. I really love girls who try to innovate and do unique things on their streams, so as Ame stopped doing that as much I got drawn back to Nyan, who's been on a roll the past few months. Still love both of them dearly.

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>>11988723
I watch all of my Oshi's streams, no matter who the collab partner is. I asked a question about the way Mori supposedly acts on collabs that doen't have my Oshi in them and wanted to know if the rrats were true that she tends to be more peppy with irl friends or only things she's extremely interested in. It's been a bit better since July, but there's still often times she's very droll about her collabs. TTRPG is great through and through though.

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>>11993714
I can understand this viewpoint, but sometimes the lows never stop or your oshi changes in a fundamental way that she's no longer the person you enjoyed in the first place. In that case it's better to cut your loses and move on.

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>>11966910
are Germans or Austrians always like this?

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>>11993897
pretty much all her collabs since June range from good to great

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>>11988770
you are dumb as shit, she took days off because she got vax'd threadreader.

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>>11993897
She's been consistently great for months now
Please stop reading threads, the autism here is rotting your mind

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>>11994098
>Not being immune to 4chan autism yet.

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>>11994056
There's a chance he's not talking about the vtuber who doesn't pay rent.

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>>11965603
t. seething cuckmate

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>>11994131
I assumed he meant Rushia since shes the only holo i know that talked about being hesitant, but that was because she reacted badly to the first dose.

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Gura is my oshi and while this hasn't really changed I agree with what some others have said, there has been a definite change in her demeanor and way of doing things that to me feels LESS genuine and honest, not more. While it's entirely possible this is due to her finding more confidence I'm torn on this. Her early streams, and everything roughly up to her birthday just felt so, so right, so genuine, so loving and so full of her personality. I was already just one of the many yet I felt appreciated even if I didn't SC much and didn't really catch her eye. This was fine. But now I feel like I truly am watching something from which I am truly disconnected, a true "viewer" as opposed to a part of a fangroup or her posse, if you will. That personal touch she had with us is completely gone and she simply feels "professional" for lack of a better term. Cold. Distant. Contentless. I have no idea what happened, but that lovely girl that I fell for completely is simply not there anymore.

On a general note, I watched other HoloEN girls from the start but now only watch Gura and NijiEN. Specifically Rosemi and Petra, but I also watch Pomu and Finana when I'm interested and I enjoy them. Recently I also got into watching Millie. Selen is fun but I'm a bit too old to find her content my kind of thing, but I can see why she's so well liked. Essentially what happened to me is that I shifted entirely to Niji, and beyond that I also watch Pippa. Somehow in my eyes Niji has completely eclipsed Holo by sheer effort. And I'll always watch Pippa's streams, but her content isn't for everyone and she has no desire to be popular.

Going back to Gura, it's not like any of these girls bend over for my presence. Petra, Rosemi, Pippa, they all read a comment here and there but they don't gush over individual viewers and I don't expect them to. What I truly miss is Gura as she once was. Even when I watch a stream and like it there's still that persistent memeory of how much more relatable, human, and real she was and how special those times were. I miss that. I don't feel about other girls like that, it was only Gura that made me go full gosling and now it just feels weird and disconnected from what we have now. Even her member streams, the recent Asobi Asobase one in particular seem like going through the motions for her and just fulfilling an obligation. I don't think she enjoyed it at all. She did once. Even if you go to her general you'll see that the quality posters just aren't there anymore, it's just an image dump for the most part. Those guys who were hardcore into her either left or like me aren't really sure about her anymore but don't want to cause drama or scenes. It's a miserable situation. I can't offer a solution, I have no answer.

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>>11962887
Mostly swapped because I realized her content wasn't really for me and I didn't feel like I fit in with other fans. I still love my previous oshi but my current one gives me a better experience.

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I switched from NijiEN to HoloEN.

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>>11993948
I'm a eurofag and I interct a lot with them. No, not at all. Both and especially Germans are very polite and respectful, and if you're on genuine friendly terms very warm and affectionate people. They have a way of putting you at ease that's unmatched. Conversely, there's nothing more pants shittingly terrifying than an angry German.

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>>11994410
You're not supposed to gosling for Gura anon...

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>>11966891
Kiara is a goober and always has been. Anyone who wants the kind of meek Kiara from the first couple months needs to leave. She gained confidence in herself slowly over time which is great and has a strong, loyal following and feels comfortable with it finally. The only thing I feel has changed in the last two months is that her whiny episodes have gotten more intense when they do happen, but she's obviously a high-maitanance women so it kinda fits her personality.

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>>11962887
I didn't swith oshis but I dropped Kiara like a rock because she streams too much. I just don't have time to keep up with her.
Initially. Now after I spent some time not watching her, I actually start to understand why antis hate her. She speaks too much, her jokes are terrible, she constantly cuddles her fucking cats, she can't stay on one topic, she makes everything about herself, she's an emotional wreck and constantly demands emotional support and reaffirmation. Basically, she's obnoxious. Extremely girly, the womanest woman I ever saw. Before I found it endearing and charming, true gfe and all that. Now I can only be annoyed by it. And why would I watch someone I hate?

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>>11962887
She'd only do collabs with men and it got on my nerves to the point where I just blocked her altogether on every platform. Finally did a collab with women a while back, but it was awkward as fuck and way too much dead air showing she really is more comfortable around men than women.

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>>11993714
I thought Mori was going to go in a radically different direction, which I really did not like. Luckily she reconsidered.

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>>11966487
GWS

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Nothing really changed about old oshi. I just found new one i liked more.

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>>11966487
You're just a whore in denial, no matter how strongly you insist

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>>11977503
They are streamers, it's their work to stream.
Anyone who claims that "personal happiness" of vtuber is more important for them than entertainment they get from streams is either lying or completely lost to parasocial fantasy.

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I dropped literally all HoloEN months ago, never looked back, they got too big too fast, now they just act like generic e-celebs and some of them act extremelly self important and condescending, which is extremely annoying to watch. Nowadays I just stick to the Lazulight girls and Tenma from PhaseCo.

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>>11980899
Defending Mori after the whole 5% shit is pathetic anon, have some dignity

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>>11966583
Having watched all streams from both, Kiara feels a lot more personal and lovey-dovey with her viewers while Sana is generally all around happy to be streaming and keeps a positive attitude no matter what. They aren't anything alike in their streaming personalities, but I look forward to the collab where Sana feeds into Kiara's need for validation.

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>>11995252
>they got too big too fast
>Tenma from PhaCon
Anon... I hope this post doesn't age badly, because I also enjoy her a lot.

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Gura used to be my oshi but I switched to kiara mostly because she streams more often. In the past I alwys watched her vods only to pass some time during guras dead hours but now I try to catch her live as mutch as timezones allow. I still watch gura and the other myth on occasion but kiara became my top priority

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>>11995469
Wdym? what happened to Mii-chan? Did the algo pick her up?

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>>11980375
Member's stream

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>>11994410
>Somehow in my eyes Niji has completely eclipsed Holo by sheer effort.
nijiniggers truly are on some shit
fucking Petra as an example too, holy shit my dude...

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>>11995244
I even watch channels who upload like once a month, I don't need many videos every week. Of course I wish there was more good content from them, but I'm still going to watch the content I get from them instead of being outraged about someone's supposed lack of worth ethic and deny myself good content.

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>>11962887
>abandoning your oshi
Not during her break. Not ever.

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>>11994725
she didn't reconsider, you were just wrong about what kind of person she was

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>>11990627
I figured, but I hoped they actually tried, if only to embarrass themselves further. Then again, I think everyone knows by now that anybody who unironically use the 5% argument against her is a hopeless threadreader shitposter.

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>>11995321
retard

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>>11962887
Mori never did any track making streams. She was my oshi when I thought she actually made her music instead of just contracting real musicians

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>>11962887
I went from Ina > Fauna

Same comfy vibe less cringe fanbase. plus Fauna is actually funny

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>>11966487
>I'm even learning Bahasa Indonesia for her
Literally why? Indonesian is ooga booga tier, has no use outside of SEA and you don't even need it to watch Reine as she speaks English 99% of the time.

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>>11994571
A switch from kind and gentle to bitchy is obviously going to turn off people

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>>11962887
I never swapped/dropped my kami-oshi. It was more like I spent some time away to pursue other interests and I eventually found my way back to her streams (this is over several years, mind you). If you ever thought they were your oshi and you "changed" to someone else one day, then they were never your oshi to begin with.

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>>11962887
I think I genuinely felt love for her...I wanted to help her grow and get away from some of the toxic people in the chat.

She had only 1 mod who was another vtuber that never actually chatted in the streams and was hardly ever around so you would see bigfollows ads followed by nigger spam people calling her a whore and no one does anything about it.

I finally got the courage one day to tell her and as a 5 month sub I was timed out by a mod. Think that was the tipping point and I just left.
Her streams are still the same and all the people I used to chat with are gone she's now made frequent donators mods who still let chat run wild.

Considered many times DMing her about it either in discord or Twitter, but her Twitter PMs are off and her discord is set to Do Not Disturb. Even tried to get her attention with a "hey streamer can I DM you about something?" but it was quickly drowned out by everyone else's nonsense, then when I tried @ing her on discord instead of just a regular message she never responded.

Guess this is just the kind of chat she wants honestly. It's forced out all the old viewers and brought in the cancerous vtweeters, vchatters, and just the weirdos who act very creepy.

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>>11962887
My Oshi is Ina, but Fubuki is a close second. If it turns out Ina is actually in a relationship and is getting plowed by another guy, I'll swap to Fubuki full time. Fubuki seems to genuinely love Hololive. It doesn't always seem that way with Ina though. I get this vibe from her that she's just using the company as a crutch to satisfy her own desires and get over her own problems before she heads off somewhere else.

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My oshi was [Myth Girl], but then she stopped being [thing she still is] and [thing she never was]. Also, the fact that [rrat from one stream] really filters me. [Council Girl] is cuter because she [same issues, but too new to notice yet].

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>>11962887
Kiara's cats filtered me.