Is the vtuber fad actually dying down?

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Or is it just the beginning of a new era?

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>>11566952
I hope so, the less normalfags here the better.

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Not even close. We are about to enter the crash era with every corporate leech wanting to take a piece of the cake and trying to shoehorn themselves in an already oversaturated market

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A new era would require some kind of innovation or SOMETHING new. Vtubing has only been taking steps backwards ever since it first became a thing.

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>>11566952
HoloCouncil came out and despite being massive amounts of fanfare they fizzled out and is doing worse than Holomyth despite being better in every single way. It's a clear sign that vtubing is declining.

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in the west maybe. in japan no way

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>>11567072
I swear to god this is like the /v/ TORtanic fucks who keep claiming that if a game doesn't break 3 millions sales in a month it's a flop and the crash is imminent

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The views maybe, but the Twitch leak proved the numbers don't have to be that big to be worth it.

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>>11567192
They are still underperforming tho and they are not memorable at all

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>>11566952
Not really. Currently stabilizing, maybe is the right term?
It's just another entertainment media that people will get used to. The Zoomers don't watch TV anymore so some of them mainly end up watching Youtube, Twitch, Netflix, etc. Some of them would probably get used to watching e-celebs so there's a chance a number of them would focus on v-tubers in Youtube or Twitch.

For the boomers/millennials, the world is changing and many companies would probably use more Work From Home working setup (also they save up from office building costs).
Then there's a chance some of them will watch e-celebs while working (that's me actually).

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>>11567072
I think Cover as a company is close to singularity considering talent amount.
Wich would explain the literal zero amount of budget being spent on EN

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>>11566952
more so we're about to crash soon. whether or not vtubing will survive the crash remains to be seen. 5 years from now something new that came from vtubing could come out that would change the game entirely

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>>11567072
>despite being better in every single way
Except for one thing. They're fucking boring

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>>11567285
I fucking WISH I could watch council on my timezone.

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>>11567285
And yet they're still the best of the best out of all of EN tubers. Is the talent pool that bad?

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>>11567260
In 5 years there will be a fully AI-controlled vtuber that can interact with chat, roommates will be made superfluous. Screencap this

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>>11566952
Vtubers were a novelty in the west last year, now that people are going back to work and travelling around their numbers will shrink a bit. There won't be a "new era" anytime soon though, japanese companies (and japanese people in general) hate change and the current formula works well enough to be profitable for them.

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>>11566952
it's hitting a lul as far as growth and attention to new vtubers. however sub counts for those in the top 10 are still STACKING on. View counts for Kuzuha and Peko are still climbing.
In every sector of commerce there is a bubble and burst, I think we saw a bubble of new vtubers and that popped around Niji EN2, since then newer debuts have been getting less eyes.
Meanwhile viewers are funneling to the best of the best, not completely shedding off into other hobbies, so I think there's still growth overall.
Once we see Pekora on the decline I think it's safe to say we've hit a lull and it will take a new face or radically new tech for that to change.
My guess? We need a VR platform which becomes widely adopted. The price point is pretty much there already.
What needs to happen is mainstream western influencers and famous people, like movie stars etc., need to jump on board. If you had Kim Kardashian doing VR house tours or online VR parties in something a little more family friendly, but functionally the same as VR Chat, then you'd see VR in like every house.
Once VR is mainstream, and we get a VR youtube equivalent, you'll see Vtubers explode again.
Short of that, there could just be a breakout star. Maybe once codemiko starts selling her tech to others? It's not new tech but it's certainly way more impressive than 99% of the vtubers out there. The face tracking alone really make's it so great.

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>>11567027
the next wave will be people waving around hand-drawn characters on popsicle sticks

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>>11566952
The explosive growth is gone.
It's not a "crash", those who are already big enough to do it as a job will continue to do so and a smaller number of new vtubers will "make it" every now and then.
Just like any other subtype of streamers.

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>>11566952
>Or is it just the beginning of a new era?
Yes. We're currently in the post-mortem explosion phase, so now we're reaching a point where we have too many of them with a good amount only producing garbage.
What's going to happen now is that the company/ies able to cash on it are slowly but surely going to secure and monopolize the market, and we'll all going to witness the shitstorm that it's going to be.

Who's gonna get eaten? Who's gonna survive? Watch it all now on your computer screen! Or phone, if you're that kind of fagget.

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>>11566952
>Sony releasing 50 vtubers
>somebody wastes a thread for an answered question

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>>11567532
50 new flops then kek

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>>11567307
>the best of the best out of all of EN tubers
Does anyone actually believe this?

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>>11567532
Sony recently killed 22/7 and Kagura Luna stepped out and released a book about how dogshit Sony was and how badly she was treated as a vtuber. Thinking Sony would gain a foothold in this market is just delusional as well as any of the 50 vtubers that plan to sign up without figuring out it's going to end very badly for them.

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>>11567393
Yeah I agree. VR is the next market.

Just imagine the anons in VR getting a Ghosling avatar, doing Ghosling things while they watch their Vtuber oshi.

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>>11567922
Don't count on it. VR is still not very accessible. AI-chan has been experimenting with VR and AR for years and it's not helping her out much because not many are willing to throw out that kind of money.

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>>11566952
Its just waiting for the next big thing.

Don't tell anyone, but I'm actually an engineer working on the partnered project between Google and AnyColor, code name Nijisanjification.
We're bringing vtubers to the real world using a variation of google glasses (now rebranded) to allow people to create their vtuber personification in real life and allow others to view it in real time. Now EVERYONE can and will be a vtuber, streaming not only from their computers but every second of their lives. We've all had those moments that happen seemingly randomly that we wish we could share with others, but we just didn't have a camera streaming at the time, and now you can share those tiny moments with all your friends and vtubing audience.

I hope everyone looks forward to our nijisanjification project, coming approx 2024

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>>11566952
End of Niji/Holo era. Its been around 2 years already, so it will end soon like oyabun's.

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>Its just waiting for the next big thing.
>Don't tell anyone, but I'm actually an engineer working on the partnered project between Google and AnyColor, code name Nijisanjification.
>We're bringing vtubers to the real world using a variation of google glasses (now rebranded) to allow people to create their vtuber personification in real life and allow others to view it in real time. Now EVERYONE can and will be a vtuber, streaming not only from their computers but every second of their lives. We've all had those moments that happen seemingly randomly that we wish we could share with others, but we just didn't have a camera streaming at the time, and now you can share those tiny moments with all your friends and vtubing audience.
>I hope everyone looks forward to our nijisanjification project, coming approx 2024

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>>11566952
It's the end of the covid buff

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>>11568872
>VR is still not very accessible.
Even if it gets accessible, as someone owning a set I don't see it getting popular again anytime soon. The whole setup you have to do is already a filter, not to mention how it's something you kind of have to commit while doing. Sure you can try picking up your glass of water while still having your headset but it's still kind of in the way.
VR sessions aren't really something you can do while doing something else, unlike regular streams that you can just even have as background noise. Also the viewers who's going to invest are likely going to say that at this point in time, while just being able to see the girl around is an improvement, it still isn't worth the hassle.

The sexdoll + 2nd VR set to fake physical intimacy like they already do will probably bloom earlier than the VR vtubing experience.

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I do wonder why the non-JP viewership isn't massive, I feel like anime isn't really a niche hobby anymore, anime episodes that are uploaded to YT get millions if not tens of millions of views. Maybe they don't market themselves to normies enough or something...

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>>11569614
There's an anime avatar but it isn't anime, its just streamers with an avatar. There are tons of streamers to watch. Vtubers are still niche, anons gotta remember that. They've made a step forward but they're no way close to traditional streamers who are still considered low tier celebs.

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>>11569614
ENVtubers are just normal streamers with an anime avatar, but with a weeb flair.

VTubers that took off in Japan because originally it wasn't about streaming, things like AI and himehina, and even OG hololive were all about self contained small videos to put out. AI and himehina are still very much skit based.
But in these videos they still clearly play their character, they're much closer to 2.5D than the current generation which might as well by 3D streamers.

Now vtubers as a medium have just took off in Japan so its easy to just move to a streamer vtuber as opposed to a 3D streamer in Japan (including the lack of 3D streamers in japan in general), so naturally it stays bigger now.

ENVtubers are all riffing off of Mito as opposed to AI. The only real exception I think of is maybe Mel, but she had the whole porn filter going on at the start which pushed her into extreme niche territory. And trying to jump straight into the streamer niche without setting up the foundation Japan has means that everyone just sees ENVtubers are shitty 3D streamers.

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>>11569614
>I feel like anime isn't really a niche hobby anymore
It actually is, not in the way you think. If there is another mainstream shit like SAO or Attacks of the Titans that come out yes a lot of people are going to talk about it. Does it mean that they are into anime? Not really. They are the same people that would still call you a nerd if you try to bring out stuff like Scryed, or unironically call you a pedo if you bring out stuff like Zetsubou Sensei. But that's a whole topic by itself.

Also this >>11570007
>ENVtubers are just normal streamers with an anime avatar
There is no distinction whatsoever, which is why Hime (Hajime) was memed to death with *I wonder who that is*. Or even simpler, why most of them are still on Twitch despite using avatars.

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>>11570007
Even Oyabun and the 4-kings were just normal YouTubers with anime avatars. Luna herself already had another "normal" youtube channel (at least back then) while being a vtuber. The shift to streaming also just reflects the shift from traditional youtube style to streaming.
>ENVtubers are just normal streamers with an anime avatar, but with a weeb flair
JPVtubers are just normal streamers with an anime avatar. Most anons don't see that because they don't watch non-chuubas from JP. Also most anons watch female vtubers and there's a lot less female JP traditional streamers.

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We're in the Gen 3 Pokemon phase now. "Pokemania" is over and the initial spike has hit its peak, now it'll gradually glide out and flatten rather than continuing to blow up

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I fucking hope it does so that the grifter whores can leave and the trashy normalfag fans can move on to the next new shiny hobby to try and ruin

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>>11570172
Modern vtubing sure, but being a youtuber with an anime avatar is easier to sell and take off than streaming which is a niche and fairly saturated market by itself.

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>>11567307
is this bait or actually next level delusion?

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>>11570253
you are not special you pathetic little man

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>>11570594
t.2view

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>>11570594
W*man spotted

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>>11570594
I know, I'm one of thousands of faceless fans. But my camp of faceless fans is better than the newer camp.

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>>11567072
>despite being better in every single way
You can't lie on the internet, anon.

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>>11566952
no, it is now the era of literal tikthots jumping in

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>>11567072
>despite being better in every single way
holy shit

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>>11570594
kek that anon struck a nerve didn't he

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>>11567072
That’s probably just because Cover didn’t capitalize on the popularity of EN. I know there’s a fear of flooding the market, but a second gen came about a year after the first, which is when the normalfags leave and only the most diehards stick around.

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>>11567072
They've kind of been shitty since they allowed the Chinks to make decisions for them about who to keep.

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>>11569614
>I feel like anime isn't really a niche hobby anymore,
Anime may not be niche but anime is not like western comic books which basically has one genre, super heroes. Anime has tons and vtubers only directly compete with CGDCT. It’s not competing with shounen, shoujo, mystery, or horror.

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>>11575314
>Mystery
speak for yourself.

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>>11568872
you can get a PC-less VR headset that would work for things like V-tuber activities for less than 200$
that's ONE merch drop from a holo birthday.
the REAL reason it's not taking off is there's no "must have" content for VR.
VR chat ALMOST had it for a while, when all the streamers were doing it. But they lost heat due to their program running like dogshit and not having enough "game" options in their tools.

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>>11566952

No. It's just that you have 100x more vtubers now than when HoloEN debuted.

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>>11570417
youtube rewards more hours/more views/more videos per day in their algorithms. JUST making video skits twice a week is a road to nowhere. this is why "lets plays" skyrocketed. the easier to produce the content is, the easier it is to remain consistent.
even just streaming for 10 minutes every day leads to more growth than having a perfectly scripted hilarious edited video that took you 4 days to make

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>>11579693
>more vtubers
yeah but not more viewers. markets gonna see a decline, the boom of 2020 wasn't and couldn't last forever. it'll probably be a few years before we see something like that again.

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It took anime several booms before it became as widespread as it is today. VTubing has only had two booms, so it needs a few more before it reaches anime level.

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Why the fuck is there so many paranoid, cyncicle, and angry people on this board? Why are their threads like this? Why do people who dont even like vtubers come here? Are we /v/? Have we fallen so far?

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>>11579896
>Are we /v/?
Literally yes. Did you forget that this board was created in order to quarantine the /v/ immigrants (see /hlgg/) who were fucking up /jp/?
>Have we fallen so far?
See above. How can you "fall" anywhere when you're already walking around on the sea floor?

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Let's have this conversation once their concerts start flopping, and Pekora is declining.
>Nobody watches Council
Why would I? The fact that I'd rather watch content I'm satisfied with and that keeps presenting me with new fun stuff instead of trying out new vtubers doesn't mean I lost interest in the entire hobby.
Maybe the fad of people who were only in it for "cute noises" is over, but they were never that invested in the first place. They were not the ones buying merch and tickets.
Nothing wrong with that either, but an audience that doesn't spend leaving while the one that spends continuing to grow is hardly indicative of a hobby dying. If anything, it's a niche being established.

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>>11579896
Most of vtuber content is just streaming videogames. How is it surprising that it attracts /v/?

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There's a crash coming, likely going to be caused by Sony. Vtubing long term will survive and reach even higher heights of popularity as anime becomes more mainstream.

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>>11567221
Twitch is performing worst than Youtube in comparison despite seemingly being 6-70% of the market. Splitting it to annual earnings, the top vshojo gets about $250k which is not even close to what the top vtubers earns in a year superchats, even accounting for company split. Also, the twitch leak numbers also bundle bits, subscription and ad revenue into 2 years worth of data so they are earning even less money than the top youtube vtubers who also get added membership and ad revenue on top of the superchats. 250k is nothing to scoff at but when you put that into perspective that twitch does makes up a large share of the market, they aren't earning as much despite the huge number of viewers. Now this can be made up in sponsorship and merchandise which isn't accounted for in leak but the best twitch vtuber is mid tier at best compared to the best youtube vtuber.

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>>11567072
One year was too long of a wait for a new Gen. They're going to repeat the same mistake with EN3

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>>11580577
Eh, I'd say upper mid, but the point stands. The money Myth makes likely towers over Vshojo once sponsorship/ads/memberships/ad rev gets factored in. Of course, Holos have to give up a part of their cut to Cover, but that's the tradeoff you get for taking in bigger base amounts.
Imo, we're seeing a normalization and stabilization period after the ridiculous growth in ALL streaming in 2020-2021. People have started to go back to work/school, resting in less free time and whatnot. Will likely remain steady but those that are looking at making quick money won't find it and will be forced to delegate it to a hobby, try and get lucky and grind, or quit.

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There is potential for Vtuber as being the "anonymous" platform for delivering entertainment, which is attractive to people who wish to do some creative work but do not wish and/or are not in a good position to have their identities revealed. There is still too much stigma tied to the platform at the moment in the West, compared to in Japan where it's much more generally accepted and a larger range of content is available.

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>>11567353
You overestimate AI and technology growth speed.
It will take decades until we can have an ai that will actually be able to interact with a chat without shitting itself or costing millions per hour.
A Vtuber on the level of something like AI Dungeon would still take a long fucking time to be possible and cost way too much.
My guess is 2035 minimum, for an AI that would actually be able to be entertaining for more than 30 minutes

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>>11569614
The design, lore and character of most vtubers simply isn't appealing to most anime normalfags

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>>11581210
You don't have to make AI more entertaining. Just make people feel entertained with less.

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>>11569614
If a chubba collab is anything but a allegory to a DBZ battle people are not going to watch it. Normalfags watch anime for cool fights not teetee moments. Even CGDCT is niche in anime communities.

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>>11579987
the first contraction in any downward cycle is the newcomers and small fish get dried out of the pond. if you can't see that is an indication that the hype around vtubers is dying, than you must have literally 0 ability to notice trends. look at youtube, look at twitch, hell look at the old school music or movie industries. something takes off, EVERYONE is doing it, indies pop up everywhere, indies start dying out, big names see some loss in traction, hype dies down, there's a lull, and it starts again in another few years. EN2 was the FIRST hololive group that didn't debut with more subs and viewers than their senpai. They were SIGNIFICANTLY less across the board. That shows not just stabilization, but decline. Even if you don't like holo niji is the same, EN2 and EN3 have trailed FAR behind.
No one is saying it's gonna die out and all your favorites will be poor.
But if you think things aren't slowing down you're blind.

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>>11581418
moe anime has completely dominated combat animes for at least 2 decades but you mention DBZ like it's an indicator of current anime trends so im guessing you're like 40 and "dont watch anime anymore"

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>>11567192
Second video game crash is coming any day now...

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>>11566952
Dying. Big corpo vtubers are the stage where the market gets truly oversaturated with generic copies and everyone realises that they can't profit because the business model is based on charity with only the top 1% getting the lucrative sponsorship deals.

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>>11582235
It literally started with big corpo vtuber.

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>>11581426
Or you could just argue the novelty factor died off in the West. Nijisanji has hit a point where they just shotgun blast any fucking retard into new waves. Since MAY 2021 we had 3 new waves. I can't and won't keep up, nobody can. A new gen is supposed to be exciting and an event that happens very rarely. We're going to see how the boys turn out since that will offer something fresh. As for Hololive, EN1 debuted during peak Covid lockdowns throughout the world, with Coco and Haachama hyping up the EN audience. Irys debuted to an average CCV of 86 thousand people, Kronii to 88 thousand, the audience will turn up when something exciting happens. Council is just less entertaining than myth.

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>>11582087
there have been dozens of gaming crashes, mmos crashed like 4 times, shooters 3, jrpgs twice, mobile games countless times, rhythm games and RTS. Idk seems like you're just not paying attention.

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>>11566952
Crashes are just an opportunity.

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>>11583171
Just because a few shitty games tanked, it doesn't mean a whole genre crashed, anon. Not to mention the entire industry.

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>>11566952
COVID-19 buff is over.

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>>11566952
An era without HoloEN monopoly, maybe.

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>>11581479
>moe anime has completely dominated combat animes for at least 2 decades
There is a demand for it in Japan. Not overseas where Shonen Jump is actively pandering to.
>but you mention DBZ like it's an indicator of current anime trends so im guessing you're like 40 and "dont watch anime anymore"
You'd do well not use this place as a standard of anime trends as well.

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>>11566952
Newer entries are getting weaker it seems but the established players are the ones still going strong.

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Yes, we need another coco event to bring vtubing back.

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>>11567072
>despite being better in every single way
retard

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>>11567393
>>11567922
>VR is the next market

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>>11580801
Yeah, because the nijiEN tactic of flooding the market is working out so well

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>vtubing is dying
>yet more events have happened in 2021 than all the other years despite there being both a pandemic, and everyone returning to normal life, so there's no excuse to sit at home all day
>concerts across several companies and even indie vtubers performing on stage in Japan and China
>more sponsorships and merchandise and tournaments and vtubers being invited to spaces amongst IRL people
>more vtubers debuting and indies picking up vtubing
>vtuber panels at conventions in the West
>international collaborations increasing in number
>Live2D quality going up, just look at Kson
Why are numberfags like this? Seriously? Do you not even look at the context of the vtubers whos numbers you obsess over and go "lower than yesterday, surely vtubing is declining"?
Do you think that any of these accomplishments are only seen by vtubers with high numbers?

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>>11585492
Nijisanji has been doing that since their inception and the company has is still around and are doing just fine

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>>11585492
Enna had 1.2K for most of the stream
When was this nabbed? Right when they went live?

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>>11585530
>numberfags
Hey don't lump me in with these retards, actual numberfags know the actual state of the industry, these retards just look at screenshot with some numbers on it and make stupid bait posts

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>>11567241
This is the truth, though there will still be standout indies that capitalize on newer Technologies.
Stabilizing isn't bad either, and in reality Fan engagement with HoloEN and Myth in particular is still incredibly high so there's little worry about abandonment beyond some major shift in the market.

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>>11580801
EN3 is never happening

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>>11585627
It took Selejo an entire year before all of them reached 100k, and they debuted a week before Gen5 did.

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>>11585635
It doesn't seem that way in this thread. It's obsessing over live numbers. You can just look at the massive amount of concerts/lives listed in the vsinger thread and marvel at how groundbreaking each person's live view counts are... or not because they aren't that spectacular, yet they're still getting the resources to perform live.
>>11585765
And how has that affected them? Still in shows, still get merchandise, Ako's being featured in an official cover album, several have released songs, etc.

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>>11566952
The bubble will burst
Most of the indies and small corpos will all graduate and either get real jobs or become e-girls of one flavor or another
The big corpos will slow their rapid expansion and will downsize
Then we will reach equilibrium

While streaming in general keeps expanding as a market, it would take something big to get more normies to reinvest in anime girls playing games than we got with the pandemic

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>>11585492
Waiting almost a year was dumb, they waited until fans were already filtering out of the hobby.

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This thread reads like a bunch of anons who only know vtubers via "Gura says A" clips

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Still going strong in Japan with concerts and live shows. I'd even say we're seeing the EN talent pool improve as a fair number of the girls outside of Hololive and Nijisanji are getting better and better,

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>>11585530
>>Live2D quality going up, just look at Kson
THE RIGGER IS AN UNDERRATED WOMEN THAT HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS
NOTHING IS GOING "UP" BECAUSE OF KSON
I LOVE THT BITCH FOR EXPOSING THAT CUTE AUTISTIC RIGGER
SHE STREAMS BTW PLS SUBSCRIBE

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The market is growing but it's also being saturated, a lot of niches are being filled.
There's still room for more for quite a while, it's not dying down but the age where anyone with a decent rig could show up and have an audience is over.
At the very least some gimmicks and social networking are needed and the individual growth is still gonna have a harder time than before when people were eager to pick anyone out of novelty.

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>>11586134
There's multiple of these threads every day and they're always the exact fucking same.

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>>11586579
I never said it was because of Kson. but Himono's work on her is great with the fluidity of the squat pose and sword pose. I never saw her rig anything like that. Even the work she's done with Live2D's leg movements wasn't as smooth as that in the past.

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>>11586741
The amount of ignorant replies it gets and the fact that there's been a numberfag general since almost the beginning of this board disappoints me in how narrow minded anons are. You don't even need to watch Japanese streams or know Japanese to be aware of what they're doing there

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we have this thread every week

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>>11585692
Just like ID3

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>>11586759
good rigging requires good art and lots of extra art assets, this is why she got both of them together and paid them enough money to do everything right.

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the otaku simp cup is full in japan and the novelty wore off for westerners

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>>11566952
vtuber bubble is bursting
>>11567192
triple a gaming bubble is bursting

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder more when showing your roommate on stream is going to lose its stigma. Whether they like it or not, fans of vtubers like seeing the real person behind the character, at least sometimes.

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>>11566952
Vtubing is stagnating because the braindead audience just wants the same shit over and over again and the vtubers have to comply with their demands to gain/sustain any kind of momentum or relevancy. Do you really think that these people want to play Minecraft/Apex/Among Us/insert-FOTM-game-here all the time? Absolutely not, but that's what gets the views and the clips. What vtubing needs is a chuuba who does stuff that's really interesting and unusual and gets an audience because of the novelty factor. That would encourage more creativity in the medium either through imitation or one-upmanship.

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>>11590849
Forgot to add that this only really applies to western vtubing

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all this discussion about a "market" is funny considering that vtubers are still a drop in the bucket compared to everything else, despite having already stagnated

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>>11590899
I was about to lash out at your other comment because JP this only really applies to Hololive, there are vtubers for literally every type of entertainment you could expect from regular streamers.

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>>11590700
There are groups out there that don't hide the roommates, but those are often IRL idol groups that want the roommates to be more successful and known than the avatar. Major corpos will never give away that much power to the girls behind the avatars.

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>>11567456
I mean there's that Chuck e cheese puppet that plays game on stream
https://youtu.be/BPcC7cHEhzw

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Are oldfags still around?
>>11567027
>innovation or SOMETHING new
In 2018 all 3D vtubers had to glue libraries together.
The Rich Kids nowadays are stuck with whatever "vtuber app" garbage they could buy.

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>>11566952
Electronic old hags are the future. A new age

[Anonymous No.]

vtubing is declining because it's been swamped with low effort clout chasers and the community itself has gone to absolute garbage, which kills potential growth

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>>11586134
This fucking board was created to quarantine the /v/ tourists invading /jp/

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>>11597921
yeah shit like this is really telling. I fucking HATE, DESPISE HATE HATE HATE the scum that came in the latest wave. nothing but spoiled rotten rich kids who want to grift even more and take more money from people. fucking parasites. HATE HATE HATE

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>>11579896
I wish I had a cyncicle

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>>11579896
>>11602822
>cyncicle

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>>11567072
Kronii is matching Gura's current sub growth.

>inb4 Gura was doing better when she started
Holomyth filled a vacuum many were waiting to be filled, you won't ever see explosive growth like that again unless VTubers become mainstream

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>>11566952
their greatest ally the chink virus is old news so people are not stuck in their houses all day anymore

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>>11584852
>>11583479

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>>11566952
Its not dying down, but it is cooling off. I'm all for a cooldown period since we've had way too many people trying to bandwagon on vtubing without actually committing to it.

[Anonymous No.]

I give it 2 years