/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

The western e-thots destruction of vtubing has begun

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>>10408232
Nobody cares about some thot memeing on a literal who

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>>10408363
It's because of what he said.

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>>10408232
Stop shilling your literal who channel you piece of shit, you already made this thread yesterday
Mods wake the fuck up already, we have a retard that is taking shilling to a new level

[Anonymous No.]

Stop browsing twitter retard

[Anonymous No.]

What does ratio mean in this context? I see it on videos too.

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the number of mentally ill people in the comments section amazes me, he really does not need to prove anything for his rightness, they did it all for him

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>>10408489
How am I supposed to see what my chuubers post there. Anyway having a guy jumped on like this for saying something completely obvious and inoffensive like don't act like an e-thot if you want to be a vtuber does not bode well. Look at the human detritus in those replies, these are the people who infest fandoms and hollow them out.

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>>10408232
>western
anon she’s british, that means she’s middle eastern

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>>10408232
Kind of ashamed this was once my oshi. Froot needs to get the fuck off twitter if she’s sicing her audience on a literal who and calling it a ratio. She has turned in to a vtweeter, never streams, and is reclining in every metric

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>>10408515
It's the equivalent of getting (You)'s on this website.

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>>10408232
Please leave this board and stop shilling your twittard gay lover.

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>>10408515
twittertards think a post having more comments than likes means it was a bad post.

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>>10408474
>you piece of shit
Vshoujo shill detected.
That being said.
>>10408232
Fuck off. The guy is right but
1) We don't need constant threads about this
2) This is obviously you or some online acquaintance of yours
3) That's why you watch corpos with a strict policy against that sort of thing
>>10408489
Exactly.
>>10408517
I like how they all look like you'd expect.
>>10408515
>What does ratio mean in this context? I see it on videos too.
Ratio on twitter means that nobody is retweeting the tweet. Which usually means they consider it stupid or objectionable.
>on videos
I thiiiiiiink that refers to it being mass-disliked.
I think.
>>10408543
>he didn't see the writing on the wall
Better late thna never, I guess. But yeah that circle is pretty much everything cancer about western indie anything.

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>>10408515
When a reply received more likes than the OP. Alternatively, when a post gets more replies than likes (indicating that people are sending angry replies). It’s your standard obnoxious normiesphere bullshit.

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Thanks for the twitter update

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>>10408517
>>10408405
>>10408232
Go back

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Jesus. Can these stupid motherfuckers have even the smallest amount of professionalism?

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>>10408580
>1) We don't need constant threads about this
Sticking your head in the sand and pretending that Hololive is safe is retarded. These people have destroyed bigger IPs than Hololive. IPs worth billions. If you think they can't worm their way in and influence Hololive then you're naive. Omegatranny is just the beginning.

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>>10408405
Actually, he is kind of based for calling out all the fairweather friend vtubers who only gave a shit after holoEN proved it can be big bucks.

Basically any chuuba who started after Sep 2020 is under permanent suspicion of being an ethot. If they don't even really know or give a shit about Holo and/or shit all over idol culture you can mark up their odds to almost 100%. The guy in OP seems like a faggot somewhat but is just saying what is real obvious to most of us and needs to be said, fucking someone has to say enough is enough.

I might also point out this exact same problem exists in Japan too FYI. Aloe was a vtweeter ethot and was crushed under the collective weight of shit she talked in the past. However people who don't really comprehend this defend her anyway, etc. Whatever.

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>>10408596
oh so it's a more popular opinion, then it holds more ground type of thinking
but it's hypocritical of these twitter freaks to call their own shitty opinions that nobody else holds and are unpopular by default, then claim the opposite on someone who calls them out on it

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>>10408629
IM HORNY XD

Oh wait that's Marine.

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>>10408232
i hate this idiot for triggering so many indies. my twitter feed has been filled with 4/10 selfies, thinking they're actually standing for something

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>>10408232
I don't remember Vwhorejo ever being accepted as vtubers, they're just ethots cashing in on a trend
Also, stop shilling your twitter you literal faggot

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>>10408649
>The guy in OP seems like a faggot somewhat but is just saying what is real obvious to most of us and needs to be said, fucking someone has to say enough is enough.
Yes, exactly. The point is that the soi squad is jumping all over him which means vtubing is about to be transformed into a platform for progressive liberal politics just like movies, video games, television and comics.

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Froot is based tho
I like her

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>>10408698
Take your meds then go back to pol.

[Anonymous No.]

Hope you're already for vtubings gamer gate

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The number of people responding to this thread are proof of the necessity of moderation. Seriously how easily do you retards fall for somebody fucking promoting their dumbass twitter. You're all as retarded as that vshojo girl for "ratio"ing and drawing attention some fucking nobody in the first place who's purely baiting a response to increase viewership for his channel. Fucking retards.

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>>10408664
And yet she can advertise, act right during a radio shows, etc. "I'm horny" stuff is a joke around her character and she doesn't jump in on stupid drama bits like this nonsense above.

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>>10408703
She's beyond fucking boring.

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>>10408761
Her appeal is that shes a shameless slut who cheated on her husband

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>>10408232
This man is pretty based!!

[Anonymous No.]

Faggot OP is shilling his spergout once again. Some retarded, but more sane thread died for this.

[Anonymous No.]

I look forward to this accomplishing absolutely nothing other than shitting up an already shitty board.

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>>10408631
>Sticking your head in the sand and pretending that Hololive is safe is retarded. These people have destroyed bigger IPs than Hololive. IPs worth billions. If you think they can't worm their way in and influence Hololive then you're naive. Omegatranny is just the beginning.
Answer me this one question.
What does making constant threads accomplish in solving this?
Please do not deviate from the question.

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>>10408577
kek that's fucking stupid

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>>10408731
>>10408839
Covering for your cancerous vtweeter buddies isn't going to work faggot.

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I wish all Vshoo fags fuck off and go back to twitter where they belong. But then again, they like to be humiliated over and over again because it's basically their fetish

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>>10408855
Brings attention to the problem, attention that the parasites don't want while they're trying to burrow in to the scene. See >>10408731 desperately trying to SHUT IT DOWN

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>>10408860
Dont be such a jew

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>>10408885
But it doesn't. You WANT it to bring attention to what you perceive to be an issue, but in reality it will be largely ignored and quickly forgotten about.

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>>10408515
The ratio of likes to comments. Means it was a post that made people mad and is therefore bad.

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>>10408474
There really shouldn't be any tolerance for VShits, should there?

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>>10408905
Evil wins when good men fail to act. That is why I will post this every single day until people are aware of the threat

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>>10408232
is that the same person earlier from the thread that got nuked

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gee whizz its not like /jp/ didn't warn you after HoloEN debuted. Oh wait

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>>10408675
That's hilarious and you deserve every shitty selfie you get

[Anonymous No.]

This is pretty funny, whether or not he intentionally meant for indie vtubers to expose themselves on their own accord. If he meant to weed out all the ngmi indies, he did a pretty good job.

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>>10408935
And you believe this to be some legitimate issue worth crusading about... or are you just a memelord who has a hand-wavy grudge against EOP vtubers?

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>>10408685
Except on the EN side - Mouse, silver, Zen, Melody were all big before any JP corp ever set foot into the English market. You might as well accuse Holo_EN/niji_EN of cashing in on Melody's popularity.
Silliness.

[Anonymous No.]

>First they post irl pics.
>Then they will complain and cry about irl shit.
Barely ok.
>Then they will post fucking selfies of their irl selves
>Then the WORST of it fucking all...post and talk...POLITICS.
Not fucking ok. Gtfo and be a irl streamer you motherfuckers.

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People actually accepting the fact that there are 2 roasties in holoEN2 is what's wrong with this world. Some more there are people proudly proclaim that they are priod to buy the condom for their bfs.

I suspects there are a lot of cucks infiltrating /vt/, they coom'd so much that normal ethots are not enough for them anymore.

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>>10409031
They're all cashing in on KIZUNA AI's popularity really.

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>>10409045
If you want to be technical, they're all cashing in on Ami Yamato.

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>>10409045
She is the one inspiration they all have in common, so I'm inclined to agree.

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>>10409038
I'm priod to buy Fauna's bf a condom so he can give her a good dicking, she deserves the world

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>>10408935
> Evil wins when good men fail to act. That is why I will shill my channel specifically everyday until people are aware of my channel.

Fuck off to your retarded twitch channel. If you want any credibility about caring of the plague of e-thots in vtubing, never fucking mention your channel or your twitter ever again in any of the future threads you make you fucking vtweeter.

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>>10408232
Why do we need 2 threads for this?
>>10408826

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>>10408232
they should have listened to Hana...

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>>10408232
I disagree, at most you will see more and more indies do it, but at the very least corpos like Hololive and Nijisanji know very well what the point of vtubing is. Everyone that doesn't will fall off HARD when vtubing will stop being the "hot new thing" and either fully turn into your garden variety e-thot or simply disappear completely.
Hell, for many content creators vtubing as a concept itself is attractive precisely because they don't have to show their faces, and talking exclusively thorugh an avatar is something that was present on Youtube long before even Kizuna Ai.
So no, I don't think vtubing is going to get "destroyed".

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>>10409105
No-one has mentioned any channel here you fucking schizoid.

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>>10409165
>schizoid
Pot, meet kettle.

[Anonymous No.]

>thought my timeline was going to be shit
>it was fine because I only follow proper corpos, australians and SEAmonkeys

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>>10409097
See this shit? I don't care if it is ironic or not, but it means /vt/ is moving towards the acceptance of ethots, roasties and trannies. The most unacceptable thing is for them to accept that the vtubers posting their own face on the vtuber account just to whore themselves off even more.

Imagine mods banning people for posting roommate stuff since the inception of this board but now people actually accept that the vtuber posting their own face on their vtubing profiles to grab more bucks.

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>>10409165
Yeah well you'll mention it in your next thread when you eventually make a video on the plague of e-thots and post it to this board for views

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>>10409179
I'm part of Anime avi Trad Cath twitter so I've been mostly isolated

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>>10409135
Has nothing to do with what Hana said. Virtual e-girls stop being virtual the minute they post a shitty selfie.

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>>10409158
Fucking this. I don't know if anyone remembers Jabberwocky Malice but she definitely became what you're trying to predict here. She literally became a garden variety e-girl who's desperately soliciting for paypigs.

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>>10409187
I can't help but feel like your overarching argument is the same argument made by many an incel before you. "I think she's a whore therefore she must be discredited or destroyed". Personally I don't care what any of these streamers do in their personal lives and I think you need to adopt some of that indifference.

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>>10409193
You're one of the vtweeters who posted their disgusting face in "protest" aren't you

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>>10409198
Good for you anon. I manage to avoid almost all ethots on twitter. It isn't even hard.

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>>10409238
I wish they would just stay on twitter and not destroy all the media I like with their insistence on having it be politicized though. If it was just tweeting it wouldn't be an issue.

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>>10409229
lol I don't fucking have a twitter account, am not a vtuber, and if I was I wouldn't fucking post my face on my vtubing account like a retard; but I'm glad that the response you choose to the obvious that you're shilling your channel is to accuse me of being one of those twitter retards

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>>10409218
When people are pointing out that vtubing is descending fast into the western wasteland of debauchery, there are always people like you that dismissed the writing on the walls and tell people that "you shouldn't worry about it", "if you think this is an issue, you are [insert random insults]". People like you have no idea what is the original point of having vtubers. You can just continue to consume your degenerated media and should leave the scene of vtubing alone.

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>>10408474
Ironically if people weren't so desperate to "ratio" this guy for having an opinion, he really would have remained a literal who retard on Twitter with some dumb blogpost, it's precisely because all these fucking moron ethots and their simps can't help but get defensive when any random idiot on Twitter calls them out which is why anybody knows about this guy and what he's saying. They're trying to silence him but they're giving his opinion far more exposure than it ever would've gotten if they left it be.

[Anonymous No.]

>western
>vtweeters
>reaction streamers
The unholy trinity

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>>10409179
the /wvt/ circle, even with all its faults and schizoprenia, at least abides with the same idea of vtubing as the Holosanji and other eastern-based agencies.

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>>10409187
>/vt/ is moving towards the acceptance of ethots, roasties and trannies
???
/vt/ positively worships them.
As long as they stay behind their avatar that is.

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>3k replies
are those all vtweeters? How the fuck did this happen? Say whatever you want, but the people on /wvt/ has more self-respect than these fucking larpers

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>>10409255
Isn't this basically twitter drama? I haven't seen any streams doing a face reveal just because of this.

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>>10409286
And what was the original point of vtubers? Because based on your ranting I have a feeling you're going to be something about Japanese girls. If so then your argument is dead in the water, because your irrational hatred for all things English doesn't belong here. In fact, seeing as how I know you're English yourself, it probably belongs in a psychologist's office.

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>>10408232
I'm kinda surprised how many vtubers out there are trannies

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>>10409346
Really? That's like saying you're surprised at how many Sonic fans are trannies

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>>10409031
Yeah, but Vwhorejo as a group didn't exist before Holo, brands usually do better than solo chuubas
Also, while Kizuna Ai did help, chuubas only went mainstream after Holo, and Niji to some extent.

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reminder that vtubing has no rules. and no "point".

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>>10409335
Who ever brought out anything Japanese before? As I thought you never understand what vtuber is for. The avatar is used for us to focus on streamer's personality more than how they looks, so if they explicitly break the character in their own vtubing profiles it defeats the whole purposes.

I don't hate English, which is why I watch EN vtubers. What I am saying is that ethots should stay away from vtubing and you shouldn't defend them.

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>>10408232
what only two sorta big vtube names threw their lot in with 100s of 2views...just shows what little influence they actually have

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>>10409329
>acceptance of ethots, roasties and trannies
Tourists thinking their culture are the same with everything else.

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>>10409357
kek

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>>10409393
You're pissing in the wind, fren. There will always be people who take a thing way too seriously.

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>>10408363
anon, 4k people care

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>>10409406
You've dropped western an awful lot during this whole fever dream rant of yours and don't deny it. Plenty of the Japanese vtubers are whores as well and let their personal lives slip into their characters. I mean, just look at Matsuri.

[Anonymous No.]

None of you will ever be Japanese 5ch schizo antis. You'll all continue to be SEAnig and burger larpers.

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>>10408232
those replies are fucking disgusting
thanks for proving him right

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>>10409421
No they don't. 4k people might have given it a passing glance and a like but I guarantee none of them will go to bat over this. This whole "issue" of yours is about as effective as online petitions.

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>>10408232
This guy is 100% right and the fact that so many of those walking arguments for late abortion felt called out is proof of it
Their seethe sustains me

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>>10409393
Way to go with your destructive nihilism. If there is really no rules why roommate posting is banned and frowned upon? If there is no point why even do it? And you seem to care about it enough to even post your opinion here.

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>>10409492
you seem to care

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>>10409489
It takes no effort to be a 5ch schizo anti then knowing japanese and having a VPN. You have way too high an opinion of 5ch schizo antis.

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>>10409325
Didn't that white wolf girl has posted her face and tits all over her twitter?

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>>10409520
I'm bored, but I didn't look at the Twitter article. Hell, I don't even have a Twitter. Social media is a disease.

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>>10408723
Go back to discord then 41% yourself

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>>10408232
>Begun
Where have you been for like the last year? Whatever you think has "begun" here has already happened. Did you just wake up from a coma?

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>>10409492
Read the replies anon.

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>>10409527
She's not /here/. But they did argue about it when she did that.

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>>10408405
>YOU'RE NOT WATCHING VTUBERS THE RIGHT WAY, YOU NEED TO LEARN THEIR BACKSTORIES AND HISTORY, NEW VTUBERS SHOULDN'T REFERENCE THEIR REAL LIVES, WAAAHH, LISTEN TO ME, I GATEKEEP A WHOLE INDUSTRY.

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>>10409521
>knowing japanese
therein lies the rub

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>>10409464
Matsuri is a bad example from you because there is no point in her entire career that she admitted to having a boyfriend. There is nothing to do with western nor Japanese in this discussion. Plenty of Japanese vtubers that admitted to having boyfriend/casual sex (more prominent ones are from nijisanji but I forgot which ones, it was a bit of an issue back then) people called them out and rightly so. If an EN vtuber is flaunting around her roastie side, we should be freely calling them out without people whiteknighting them.

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>>10409571
lolno. It's not worth the time investment.

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>>10408363
He stopped being a literal who the moment you replied

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>>10409286
> vtubing is descending fast into the western wasteland of debauchery
Only in the West. The core JP side will remain the same. Right now you're just seeing the effect of money. The West has tons of it to spend compared to Japan and it is skewing the scene. Once interest dries up in a few years it'll die and be replaced.
I saw this happen to metal music in the late 80's as it suddenly became the thing to play on TV/radio and hundreds of bands popped up to cash in by playing watered down shit metal.
Nobody even remembers who they were.

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>>10409581
gatekeeping works
>(CHAD) YES

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>>10409602
You're welcome to talk about the "issue" if you indeed believe it to be one; freedom of speech and all that. But honestly I think you're forcing yourself to care about something that is only a problem in your mind. Normal, stable people don't care who is fucking who.

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>>10409388
Vshojo didn't form because of holo_en though. They formed as a makeshift union to protect themselves from Twitch being dicks banning them for any reason. (specifically it was Melody's body being DMCA'd that started Vshojo)

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>>10409639
Normal, stable people aren't the intended audience for vtubing. Pic related is.

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well, thanks to him, at least 3-4k people with mental disabilities will definitely never get into holosanji, so he has already done a good deed

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>>10409667
rofl well I'm glad you can admit it.

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>>10408232
There we go folks, we're officially between phases 4 and 5. Has the guy been called a "tryhard" yet by any of those fucking bandwagoners?

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>>10408405
Usually hate polfags, but I unironically agree on this one. What's the point of vtubing then?

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>>10409680
Normalfags have never been welcome here retard.

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>>10409639
You are trying to act like you don't care as much but you have been following me for the entire argument until now. Yes I do care, and I am willing to admit it. But if you think normal, stable people are not the audience for vtubers like this >>10409667 then I should show you the door.

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>>10409701
Take your gatekeeping and shove it up your ass. Vtubing, as well as every other "sacred" thing you love, is being taken over by normies and there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it.

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>>10409602
????
Tamaki announced marrying someone and 0 people cared? Literally she has her real life channel on the same channel as her Vtuber and no-one would be stupid enough to call Tamaki not a Vtuber. The real reason for gate keeping western ethots is a difference of values and being disrespectful of vtuber culture. Whether a bit of real life is visible or not, or whether they don't appeal to gachi-kois, isn't and was never the primary distinction. Tamaki never gets hate on this board but Kson does, and these ethots even more. It has nothing to do with the amount of real life that is showing.

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>>10408232
ecelebs of the west tend to gravitate towards internet drama and politics whenever they seem like their losing relevance. wierd

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>>10409687
That is why >>10409624 and we should continue to gatekeep.

[Anonymous No.]

You fags better saved those ai ar el pics. You know, for housekeeping. It'd be pretty useful in the future.

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>>10409728
NTA but no thanks i think i'll continue gatekeeping and making the environment as hostile and unwelcoming to normalfags and their apologists like you as possible. A bit of doxxing here, a few threats there, you know the usual

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>>10409756
I'll leave it to you. I don't want 4000 pictures of tranny vtweeters anywhere near my hard drive

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409728
Cool story nigger

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>>10409745
> Tamaki
> She
Anon....

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>>10409745
I am not talking about people marrying. You seems to conflate being ethots and being a tradwife. Both have sex yeah but their quality is different. Korone is definitely married with kids but people are fine with her. Roastie however shouldn't expect any sympathy from people. Kson is neither married nor a roastie, and a general attitude towards her is apathy. If anything, people are just annoyed with her fans who are loud and obnoxious.

If you are still confused about being married and having casual sex then I can explain to you in more details in the next post.

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>>10409776
You're going to have to dox and threaten a lot of people if you think you're going to have any measurable impact on this or any other hobby. It's an empty threat anyway; I know /vt/ too well. This board, not long ago, collectively agreed that Kiara was a blight and needed to be destroyed. You know what happened? Nothing. No one did a goddamn thing but make ineffectual, anemic threads. You're convincing no one but the same ten people that were already convinced... and they won't do anything either.

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>>10409179
I follow tons of EN indie even very small ones, and literally never saw any of that garbage and wouldn't have known about it if not for this thread. Hate that it makes people think it's a normal western indie thing.

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>>10409847
>Using Kiara as an example
Kek. The literal state of vtweeters

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408405
Sounds like some faggot from here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409346
Only the concept of vtubing fits transgenders very well if you think about it. With how you act as a made up character and can be anything you want, unlike reality where you will never be a woman.

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>>10409909
I accept your surrender.

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>>10409913
sounds like you're butthurt

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>>10409512
there's no overarching point to vtubing, but different vtubers do it for different reasons, mostly to entertain, but not nessisarily. and as for roommate posting, that's not so much a hard rule that all vtubers MUST follow as much as it is an arbitrary trend that most vtubers do follow.

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>>10409847
Hahahaha, DYRB? You faggots are nothing but a bunch of weak pushovers, literally the LEAST possible amount of resistance is enough to make you throw a sissy fit, as proven by this guy

>You're going to have to dox and threaten a lot of people
You are nowhere near as many as you'd like people to think you are, and it only takes a few of you to be made an example of. You will never feel welcome and you will never be a woman

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>>10409847
>collectively agreed that Kiara was a blight and needed to be destroyed
I beg to differ. No idea why people hate her. I seldom watch her content. She is kinda fun to make fun of initially due to her obsession with Pekora but later on when she gave up she became more tolerable and took less heat from the people.

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>>10409833
Sorry. Tamaki's a he and Norio-Sensei is a she. I barely cared to differentiate the two in my hastily written post, apologies.
>>10409843
> Both have sex yeah but their quality is different.
You're actually fucking retarded if you think quality of sex is relevant to the discussion of kayfabe Vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409945
Ahaai
>collectively
>destroyed
This is why tourists should listen when told to go back. Go play cancel in your circle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408405
Is he wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>ITT vtweeters seething
how about make content instead and stop larping as otherkin tumblrites?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409776
Based

[Anonymous No.]

reminder that most of the people posting pics are just vtweeters or 2views and its not the death of the hobby, just idiots being idiots as usual

[Anonymous No.]

so what happened /vt/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409984
>You're actually fucking retarded if you think quality of sex is relevant to the discussion of kayfabe Vtubers.
I am not an incel like you so I do appreciate the difference, thanks. Also nobody is flaunting their tradwifery at people just like ethots flaunting their roasties vagina to people so it is generally more tolerable.

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>>10409973
Even if that's true... you won't. That's kind of my point. You think you're some kind of counter operative with 133t internet skillz0rz that can hack the Pentagon and make people kill themselves by infiltrating Instagram accounts but you're not. You're nothing and you do nothing. Other people who actually have these skills don't waste them on non-issues.

Like this one.

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>>10409687
>i forced unconnected points to correlate to something predetermined
>therefore normies are ruining MY hobby
>and if you call me out it's just proving my point
>gatekeeping is totally a good thing
>trust me

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>>10410029
>hack the Pentagon and make people kill themselves by infiltrating Instagram accounts
No, you just have to dm them

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410057
And if that doesn't work? What then? Based on the way you've been typing it made me think you had a Plan B.

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>>10408232
Vtroons in suicide watch

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>>10409960
>vtubing has no point
>alright, vtubing has some points
I am happy that you changed your position and become less nihilistic. There is indeed an overarching point to vtubing which is to strip off the human flesh and let us focus on the personality more, that is in comparison to traditional streamings.

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>>10409960
>>10409393
Even playing along with that idea, those replies aren't people simply doing their own thing but actively pushing it as some kind of empowerment and virtue signaling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408649
Idol culture is shit and not even hololive really follows it. Much less should indies be forced to use their rules

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410023
You are an incel. Furthermore, I don't get where you got the idea that I disagreed with ethots advertising them being sluts to their audience as being something different? That was the point I was getting across. You were the one who thought "quality of sex" was something viewers cared about, which is why I called you retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410080
No, that's literally all it takes, works every time

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410051
>gatekeeping is totally a good thing
Yes. It keeps normie like you out. Normies ruin things, the closest example is a franchise about a war in a galaxy far far away. The franchise is ruined by normire shit and the sequels are unwatchable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410106
>no you
lmao

People actually cared about the quality of sex which is why you can see people calling out roastie rather than tradwife.

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>>10410092
? if anything, vtubing puts MORE focus on appearance, having a custom made avatar and all. and there's the fact that a lot of people think that vtubers MUST play a character and if it's just them but with an avatar they're "doing it wrong".

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409393
No, vtubing does have some rules, otherwise why call yourself a vtuber in the first place.
Namely, you are playing a character and you shouldn't post photos of your RL self on social media, because the character is an anime girl/boy and not a RL person. Make it easy for those who want to search for it, discuss personal experiences, dogwhistle all you want so long as you keep the slightest veneer of separation between you and the character.
Everything else ( boyfriends, singing, etc... ) are idol-specific things and they are not essential for you to call yourself a vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408232
Jesus looks like avoiding Western indies was the right call

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410095
Guy is saying the absolute minimum requirement for a vtuber should be not posting irl pictures on your vtuber accounts for validation. That's a billion miles away from saying all vtubers should be idols

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409776
I generally agree with you, but your >bit of doxxing here, a few threats there is a fart in a hurricane.
2.8M of Gura's 3M are these people. They ain't gonna browse some basketweaving forum in the corner of the internet, but their influence spreads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410125
it was ruined by bad movies, not people you don't like liking the same thing as you. it's not like the ot doesn't exist anymore.

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>>10410029
>>10410051
>>10410106
A mass dilation is in progress

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>>10409212
whatever happened to the big-titty american girl from that group anyway? I remember some anon on /jp/ constantly updating about her reincarnating but I didn't keep up

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>>10410147
Being a slut, and having a wife/husband, has nothing to do with the "quality of sex". You are the only person in the world who is thinking about how exactly the experience of fucking and how quality it was, when judging them.

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>>10410152
My point is > strip of the human flesh which leave them to show you their personality. Sure avatar is important but it can only get you hook for so long if you have nothing to show to the audience, that is actually the problem with many 2views - lack of personality.

To elaborate on my point, you wouldn't even start to watch a fat girl streaming even though she has a good personality and is entertaining, but you would give it a chance to interact with her if she use a fox or fennec as an avatar for her streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410163
the only "rule" that vtubing has, and is actually more of a definition is that you use a motion-capture avatar. kayfabe is very common, but not a mandatory thing required to call yourself a vtuber.

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>>10410015
Yeah, as much as I despise those vtweeters, people are giving it far too much importance, they're anything but representative.
It's just
>told you guys about EN whores!
like that retard >>10408964 far too happy to act like it proves anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410001
No, that's why him getting 3k angry retweets from vtroons over just stating basic facts is worrying

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is even worse than the niji tribalfag thread. Congratulations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410125
Star wars was killed by Disney, not normalfags. Disney fucked up so hard even normalfags hate what the franchise has become.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410264
But then I would call you a "Youtuber that uses an avatar", not a vtuber. Otherwise Pewdiepie and Pokimane fall in the definition, and I simply don't think it really makes sense

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>>10410195
>it was ruined by bad movies
You mean that the franchise is ruined by itself...? No, it was ruined by normie because they will give money to the movie makers no matter how bad the quality of the movie is, so the movie maker intentionally lower the cost of everything and change everything to spite of the real fans to get those sweet mindless normie money in. I would say vtubing is heading down the same direction and you have the honor to be one of the people who helps to ruin it.

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>>10410125
Those movies were hated by litterally everyone, though.
The truth is that is not normalfags that ruin things, is the people in charge that want to appeal to normalfags without understanding what makes that hobby so great that fuck things up.

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>>10410242
By quality I don't mean how good it feels, but how positively it impacts their lives. But I guess modern hedonist just can't understand anything other than direct first hand pleasure.

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>>10408232
Well, this does make me a bit upset at Froot because it looks like she feels addressed and once again because she steps into potential drama but has nothing of substance to contribute. If you have nothing to say, why say anything at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410309
by "use" i meant "consistantly use" so neither of those two would count.

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>>10410293
>>10410369
It is so profitable that they made 3 shitty movies despite "everyone hating it".

Now tell me, who are the ones that gives money to Disney the corporation by going to watch the movies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410326
meds

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>>10410264
>motion-capture avatar
That's not true tho. Even if you don't want to count single PNGtubers are vtubers, there are vtubers who use multiple PNG expression and switch between in real time (like with a pedal) such as Little_S.
However is just having used some kind of virtual avatar (hell just apply filters to a picture of your face and call it virtual) at some point means you're a vtuber I wonder what's even the point of the word existing, if it can be used for literally anything then it just loses all meaning.

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>>10410449
single PNGtubers as vtubers*
However if*

I had a stroke

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>>10410326
I said it ITT before, but this is identical to the late 80's metal scene.
It won't be destroyed any more than real metal was destroyed by the sudden influx of wannabe bands. It took a decade+ for it to get back to normal, but the original scene is still going in garages/bars around the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408232
Imgine caring so much about an illusion that you gatekeep and entire industry. What a faggot.
These girls are not real btw. Your oshi is a character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408918
>Getting alot of (you)s is bad
We truly live in a society...

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>>10410449
i guess real-time would be a better word then? it seems like the only functional definition of a vtuber would be "i know it when i see it" but of course, everyone will see things differently, and now we start the problem all over again.

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>>10410422
The three movies things were planned from the start, and you'll notice that since the disastrous second movie everything else in the Star Wars universe avoided making reference/taking their developement into account.
Also it's fucking Star Wars and Disney, you have to understand that big budget flicks with massive appeal will make their money back no matter what because EVERY SINGLE CINEMA is projecting them. There is a point where quality stop mattering and it's marketing that decides the success of a thing ( unless they do some exceptionally ridiculous shit ).

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>>10410509
>Your oshi is a character.
That's kinda the whole fucking point.

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>>10410377
>but how positively it impacts their lives
Why does the sex matter? No one is thinking about how much better Tamaki-kun's content is due to Norio-Sensei's husband's dick pounding her being one from a married man. I don't even disagree about there being a different in perception of committed relationships vs one-off relationships, but you are the retard who keeps on making it about the sex specifically? Her husband could be fucking her 0, or every single day, and none of us would know the difference. The fucking sex isn't relevant. His dick did not magically change from when he was just someone she was dating to someone she was married to. The difference in perception is not the fucking quality of sex.

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>>10410509
>These girls are not real btw. Your oshi is a character.
Yes I'd like to keep it that way

[Anonymous No.]

Life isn't fair. I insult chuubas all day every day yet this guy does it once and becomes famous

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410600
Create a bait of excellent quality

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410284
I think alot of the ire isn't even drawn necessarily from what he said but how he presented it. If it he didn't come across as a whiny faggot and just presented his case better there could've been more of a discussion rather than I dogpile. At the very least, it wouldn't have provoked this response since being a literal who coming out on twitter acting like your an authority on something (whether you're right or wrong) is pretty much a flag to gangrape that person.
>>10410422
Being profitable doesn't mean its good or that normalfags even think its good. By the time the third movie came out everyone was pretty much in agreement the new trilogy was a dumpsterfire and were paying just to watch it burn. Also its pretty retarded trying to compare movies to vtubers. Vtubing is a wildly different medium.

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>>10410509
...Yes? That is what we are trying to say, congratulation. They are basically anime character that you can interact with, that is their appeal.

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>>10408232
Oh no no no no bros... I thought vshojo was based and redpilled??

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>>10410504
Yeah I would understand it. I also understand that it is the amount of money that lure every ethots or even normies into doing vtubing. The difference is that we don't have internet back in 80s. We literally has ways to calling those people out but somehow some anon think that this is fine and shouldn't be called out. Sure it may amount to nothing but it can be an experience to help in preventing the next hot hobbies of us from falling down this road.

>>10410560
I fully know that. All I am saying is that all 3 movies are still profitable.
>There is a point where quality stop mattering and it's marketing that decides the success of a thing
And who do you think caused this? Who would eat up anything the corporate overlords ask them to consume?

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>>10408232
Do people really care about vtuber lore? I feel like most of them only stay "in character" for the first month or so anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408474
How are they shilling? If anything this is a bad look for Vshojo, they just can't help but to virtue signal.

[Anonymous No.]

This topic has been posted at least 5 times in around of 18 hours, but I think this is the best thread of all. I would be lying if I said I’m not enjoying a bit all this craziness

At first the guy wasn’t given that much credibility /here/, but the time passed and many agree he has been proven right. These people don’t care about the virtual aspect of vtubing, which it’s exactly what the medium is mostly about

Now, there’s something about this one thread that has been able to concentrate a good amount of autismo. Maybe it’s such a big chuuba like a VShojo member siding with the ones defeating the purpose of vtubing, or simply it’s just the SEA hours (based schizos if that’s the case)

2views and their enablers are coming in full force about this but they’re going to lose anyway to corpos, small agencies AND indies who follow the meta aspects of Holos and Nijis

Really, I can’t believe I thought when the tweet had like 57 QTs that at worst it was only going to have like 200 once it reached its peak, but a simple 2views screeching about “muh normies” was able to gather a considerable part of the western vtuber community against him just for them to prove his point

Anyway, the western scene is definitely going to shit unless you’re a part of a backed up group (VShojo is the exception, of course), but vtubing as whole will still survive even if this becomes a trend just because the other scenes know how to keep it professionally and there will always be the ones who’ll follow their example instead of the normies

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>>10410567
>Why does the sex matter?
I understand that you think it doesn't matter, which is why you don't mind there is roastie in the vtuber scene in the first place. The reason you came about asking this same question again is because I pointed out to you that some sex did matter contrary to your believe. Sex was brought out because that is literally the point of roastie - casual sex, and that do indeed matter in terms of perception. They are the degenerate that should stay in the ethot scene and should be called out every time they try to enter into vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

It seems like makeup vs no makeup. Women want all the benefits of makeup without having to wear it but they all have to because other women will. The ones stupid enough to post face pics are killing their numbers because people will choose to watch tubers who won't do that. This guy knowingly or unknowingly sank careers.

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>>10410623
>Vtubing is a wildly different medium.
Not entirely. Both of them run on money and will tend to go where there is more of it available.
It's just that right now Vtubing is about where movies were in the 20's with a few small companies making feature films and a shitload of indies making 5 minute flicks.
The pace of it has increased exponentially though and as the money flows in actual big corpos might start to take an interest and can just buy out companies like Holo with pocket change.

That's what will actually kill the scene as we know it.

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>>10410677
But the thing is that it's not like they become fans or anything, they go to watch it because they want to spend a night with friends/girlfriend/boyfriend/family, and if it is a bad movie they will laugh it off. Which means that yes, the movie itself may be profitable, but the modern entertainment industry is all about merchandise. And belive it or not, even normies can buy merchandise, just think of Pokemon. So the effort is all on making things that enter the pop culture in such a way that normies buy the merchandise. This happened with success with Avengers Endgame, not so much with new trilogy Star Wars

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>>10408232

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>>10410770
Phase Connect is the only hope for western vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

If you look at the pictures of the "vtubers" replying to him, it's mostly hideous fatties or dudes on HRT. They're upset that he's right and are just going "LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" like children

[Anonymous No.]

Holy fucking shit this thread is so retarded I think I suffered brain damage hearing some of your thoughts.

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>>10410735
>>10410509
People care about not being pressured into doxxing themselves just because "every one else does it". Posting IRL content is also grounds for politics.
>"Hurr she's actually not black why does she have a black avatar"
>"Black culture appropriation is racism and must be stopped!!"

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>>10410623
>Being profitable doesn't mean its good or that normalfags even think its good
I am not saying that it is good. I am saying that normalfags are going to watch the movies no matter how bad they are. And this, is what I am calling out - normies are funding the destruction of hobbies.

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>>10410770
explain how vtubers needing to play a character to be vtubers is anything but arbitrary.

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>>10409205
the point is that they are all e-girls.

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>>10410913

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>>10410836
>it's not like they become fans or anything
Yes. This is exactly the point. Have you ever seen this pic before? >>10409687
You are exactly describing the problem with it. We are not disagreeing. And we are seeing it happening in the vtubing industry.

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>>10410770
What exactly did the tweet in OP said? I am allergic to reddit.

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>>10411029
vtubers can't just be themselves with an avatar, becuase... puppet shows exist? either that's the wrong image, or you are genuinely insane.

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>>10411139
>>10408405

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>>10411150
He's saying that if you know it's a dude with his hand up a dolls ass you won't believe in the character the puppet is meant to represent.

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>>10408232
>posting irl images of vtubers should be on-topic guiseee
This is why no one likes Vshojo, they are the embodiment of western cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410820
Cover has private investors. Niji is already invested heavily by Sony which is souless.

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>>10411198
so he is genuinely insane. i can appriciate a movie even when i know who the actors are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411150
Then let me put it like this: What’s the difference between Nyanners and Pokimane?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411228
a more direct comparison would be between pokimane and someone who does gfe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411228
NTA but:
One's a clout chasing grifter hypocritical whore and the other is just a clout chasing whore.

[Anonymous No.]

I know a lot of people compare vtubing to wrestling already, but it kinda feels like the way vtweeters treat it is akin to not actually wrestling and doing serious MMA instead or just picking fights on the street.
All vtubers are just streamers, but not all streamers are vtubers, so the expectation (at least on /vt/ and with /here/chuubas) is that a vtuber is going to commit to the bit, and you can still stay committed when you're being serious about real stuff. As far as I know /vt/ has no issue with IRL photos that show commitment; people doing cosplay of their own character, editing, shitposts, etc It's the low effort ego boost instagram photos people don't like. If you can't do that much, you're just demoting yourself from a 2view indie to a 2view dime-a-dozen streamer.

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>>10411209
Not all of them.
Melody and Mouse both stay inside their avatar and nobody really knows WTF Zen is IRL.
Nyan and Vei don't post their IRL pics to the best of my knowledge.
Hime is well known, Froot and Silver both selfieposted in the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408405
hes right

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411321
That just makes Froot a hypocrite then. The guy just wanted to uphold privacy for Vtubers, and yet she's against it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411300
This. I don't want someone who is 95% attention whoring piece of shit and 5% vtuber acting like they are a valid representation of the entire community when they are blatantly just trying to cash in on the trend. They clearly don't take vtubing seriously and don't give a shit about it, so why act like they actually care when their content shows that they don't? That automatically loses all respect and pisses me off that they're trying to grandstand when they don't even believe in their own words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410913
Explain how men becoming women is anything but arbitrary

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411437
no? nobody is saying that vtubers should be forced to upload selfies. but he's arguing that they shouldn't be able to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411511
i accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411437
>uphold privacy for Vtubers
Really? To me it just reads as someone trying to gatekeep about "what a vtuber is". He doesn't really seem to have any concern for anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411520
>>10411579
Have you never heard of peer pressure via established social constructs?

[Anonymous No.]

Purityfags should get shot at birth

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>>10411216
I don't know about the entirety of Cover but Holo's investment rounds give it a paper value of about US$93M. Not hard for a Disney sized corp to buy that.
Sony being soul-less might actually be a plus. Maybe they won't try too hard to shape the company themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408232
>fatasses of posting actual nudes for everyone to see
I hate western whores so much...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411579
>trying to gatekeep about "what a vtuber is"
And that's a bad thing because?

[Anonymous No.]

Gatekeeping is based. People who disagree are stubborn retards who are not willing to integrate in the first place.
And once they are at the top, they themselves will impose some bullshit standards upon everyone else.
Stop the timeloop discussion and enjoy vtubing while you still can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411321
>Nyan and Vei don't post their IRL pics to the best of my knowledge.
Kek if you literally google Veibae it shows her face.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411622
why, yes i have. in fact: the only reason most vtubers don't post pictures of themselves is because of peer pressure via establishes social constructs. there's nothing in the vtuber's handbook that says that you aren't allowed to. but because the most popular vtubers don't people assume that if you do, you aren't a vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411520
>>10411579
The whole point of Vtubing is to stay in kayfabe. What's the point of vtubing if you're going to disrespect that notion in the first place by trying to enforce the culture that vtubers should post IRL content in their mains. Might as well they be e-thot streamers and not vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411697
https://youtu.be/_yC8_w-_ptM

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411639
Why do troons love to kill babies so much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411765
There is no vtuber handbook, it's an agreed upon social norm that vtubers must stay in their kayfabe and to not include IRL garbage in their profiles, such as dox info or politics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410772
You're just retarded. For some reason, this entire time, you've seem to have thought that I think ethots and someone having a husband are the same. I originally pointed out Tamaki to explicitly point out, that Tamaki doesn't get hate despite having her real life on the same channel and announcing being married, because Norio is not a slut. You then say that I conflate ethots being a tradwife, with "Both have sex yeah but their quality is different". First off, my entire point was there's a difference between Tamaki and a western e-thot, but you had to say that the difference was because of the quality of the sex between married people and non-married people. You still seem to think that I'm defending roasties. I took issue with that "vtubers that admitted to having boyfriends" being called out, as if admitting to having a boyfriend is the same as being a slut e-thot in your face about it. People who do not appeal to gachi-koi, like Tamaki, and don't act like sluts, like Tamaki, have no difference if they have a significant other whether it was a boyfriend or husband. No difference of quality of sex is what matters. Gatekeeping ethots for being sluts seeking validation for their irl physical features on their vtuber accounts is fine and we both agree with that. If they broadcast being a whore on their vtuber twitter account, you can also attack that. That's not the same as the quality of fucking sex my dude. I have no idea why this retarded conversation has kept going on.

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>>10411437
I think you misread me there. I said Froot HAS selfieposted. Hence she's obviously okay with the idea.
Yes that directly clashes with Mouse who will never IRL post, but they do have differing values inside the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411797
Who is this basedboy and what is his point? I don't want to give him a click.

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>>10411768
the whole point of vtubing is to stream with an avatar. that's it. kayfabe is entirely optional. "vtubing culture" is made up and doesn't dictate what vtubers actually are. also, you can be an e-thot streamer and a vtuber at the same time, that's basically what gfe is.

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>>10411622
Okay, so you are concerned that if more vtubers start doxxing themselves others who don't want to will be pressured into it as well? I guess I can see where you are coming from but this dude clearly isn't concerned about that. He just doesn't want "normies" encroaching on his hobby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411813
exactly, there is no handbook. there are no real rules. the only rules that exist are made up. nobody decides what a vtuber is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411696
I'm not saying its a bad thing. I'm saying this guy is not arguing this in order to protect vtubers privacy. He's just butthurt people are vtubing wrong in his eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408405
Faggot crybaby

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411841
>my entire point was there's a difference between Tamaki and a western e-thot, but you had to say that the difference was because of the quality of the sex between married people and non-married people
Yes that is my opinion. People sure think that sex between husband and wife and sex between casual partners are different.

>You still seem to think that I'm defending roasties
I apologize for mistaking you as a roastie defender. Seems like we are in the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411909
Nah mate. I totally decide.
and my decision is that only streamers who use Felix the cat as their avatar are truly Vtubers.
Maybe Fritz the cat for Vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411855
>kayfabe is entirely optional.
It isn't, and that's non-negotiable. You aren't a vtuber if you don't have a kayfabe, you're just an e-thot streamer and you have differing values from majority of the established norm within the sub-culture.

>>10411909
Social constructs define what the social rules are, even if they are not written. It's an act of respect and decency towards other people, which I presume most western people lack.

>>10411868
>He just doesn't want "normies" encroaching on his hobby.
Which are the doxfags who don't care about privacy or kayfabe?? What's stopping a doxfag from posting a pic of someone's IRL face and makes excuses like "WELL DUH, everyone posts IRL content for vtubers so I should too.".

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>>10408405
> points out separation from character and real life.

He makes a valid point. not wonder twitter's mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411979
Yes, we were in fact agreeing the whole time. I hope you have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411979
>>>/pol/

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>>10411992
Ah, there we go. Phase 5 >>10409687

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411992
Yeap. It is Phase 4-5. They don't care about the vtuber shit they just want money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409032
This
They are just vtweeters/egirls.
His post was poorly done but they did a great job of proving his point and showing me plenty of vtubers I know to avoid now.
Froot was already one of them.
People that chase clout with "lol ratio" are leeches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408405
He's a faggot but he's right

[Anonymous No.]

The 2views in his replies have the mentality of an attentionwhoring middleschooler and deserve all the doxxing and mentally ill stalkers they summoned.
As for him: He really sounds a little butthurt, but he got his heart in the right spot. Silly him thinking he could just take a break from whatever he does after pissing off ethots and their lap dogs. Good riddance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411990
>we have to protect kayfabe to stop doxxfags

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>>10411075
Ok, but the thing is that Disney WANTS you to become a fan of the new trilogy. Again, compare how they handled Marvel with Star Wars
In the first case, most people now consider the Disney films as staple of the universe, the new central pillar around which the modern interpretations of the characters will be based on for years to come. Just think of when they unveiled the new Marvel Avengers game and everyone joked that the heores looked like the stunt doubles of the actors of the films, rather than simply accept their look.
Meanwhile the new Star Wars trilogy is treated as a costly fanfic by everyone and even Disney seem eager to just forget that they even happened. This is not how you build a new fanbase which means that the old fans are still there and Disney now needs to keep pandering to them ( things like Rogue One and The Mandalorian were about things or events your average normie don't gives two shits about and they turned out to be some of the most successfull things made with the Star Wars IP ).
Finally, about vtubers, I don't think it is comparable, simply because you don't have a single company imposing their views on things and chasing out the old fans who disagree. In fact that image fail to consider the fact that the old fans could simply move somewhere else and gatekeep anyone who doesn't conform to their views ( which is what actually happen most of the time ). And I think that the aspect of anonimity of vtubing is simply too appealing ( both for the content creators and the audience ) to simply disappear. What will probably disappear instead is all the idol-like aspects, but it will probably survive as a niche inside vtubing as a whole

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411909
>nobody decides what a vtuber is
Really? So can you really call pokimane with an avatar a vtuber? Compared to Ironmouse which is a recognized vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411976
another vtwitter enters the fray. Any arguments?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412096
Without kayfabe doxxfags would not be easily ostracized and they're free to post IRL pics of whoever they want. They don't care about Vtubers or its culture, they just want the person behind it, which defeats the purpose of vtubing.

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>>10408405
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411990
Kayfabe is a pro-wrestling term for utter bullshit meant to fool marks.
Mark is an even older term from professional gambling that means - a fool who is easily separated from his money.
So you are arguing that Vtuber fans being marks is a requirement? No thanks. I like the girls to roleplay their character, but not to the point of pretending it's real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412096
But you can't, youtube actively suggests videos of the person behind the mask before they were vTubers, whether I want to know or not. I've probably seen most of my regular Hologirls real faces accidentally and I just don't care. It's like people getting butthurt over finding out Timmy Turner is Tara Strong, it's pointless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411990
99% of vtubers don't have kayfabe in the way you're describing. at most it's usually a theme with the vtuber acting exactly the same as their roommates would. and you're acting like EVERYONE agrees with you when that's blatantly not true. if you want characters so bad; go watch tv.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412213
>Mark is an even older term from professional gambling that means - a fool who is easily separated from his money.
not him but isn't that what simps are already doing when they donate money for superchats

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408405
Ok, but why does Froot care about what some 2view nobody thinks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409687
It's just the loud minority.
Man, I kinda wish Tumblr should go back to its old state so they can serve as a containment.

But if some literally who wrote up his piece of mind can cause such quake into everyone, that means he's the one who won even if he is a faggot. Thots and faggots that had to base their life choices and opinions on twitter "RTs" and "ratio" for reassurance, the world really is fucked up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412237
>99% of vtubers
What vtubers? You mean vtweeters that don't make any content and only care about bandwagoning and bringing their thottery into vtubing? Almost all the proper vtubers out there have a character they play as

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412284
Clout chasing is one hell of a drug

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412284
Froot is actually in kahoots to promote this dude's channel and spread his message. Only logical explanation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410770
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412120
yes. you can. just like you can say that she isn't but neither is nessisarily true just because you said so. because nobody decides what a vtuber is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408405
He makes a good point despite going about it in a retarded way.
Even more pathetic are the ones with audiences attacking him for it, and it says a lot about them if they are fully okay with people just ditching everything that makes vtubing special just to post selfies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412284
Because she does nothing but tweet now and she realizes engaging in drama gives free likes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408232
Vshojo was a mistake
If JPs were smart they'd blacklist them across the entire industry, most of them do already but not enough unfortunately

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411579
Gatekeeping is a good thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412312
Most of the vtubers characters they play as is the same character they play as in their past livestream career. They just have a different avatar, name, lore, and set of inside jokes that build up. Really the classification as kayfabe fails for most of them (though not all. A spare few are actually playing characters).

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412312
it sounds like you're arguing that even mention irl events is too far. and in that case, yes, 99% of vtubers including most of the big corpos do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412334
Funny thing about language, nobody decides what the words mean. It's just a common agreement.
So if I decide to call Hololive, Nijisanji and other "vtubers" and anyone who stream with a virtual avatar but also post IRL pics of themselves "not vtuber", there is not a single thing you or anyone else can do to stop me. And if enough people think like me, then that will become the definition of the word.
This is just how language works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412248
Yes. They are truly marks.
I do not think it should be an expected thing or played up as being something better than it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412392
Would you classify Pewdiepie or Annoying Orange as vtubers? Because it seems to me that you don't even know what constitutes the vtubing culture.

>>10412438
>you're arguing that even mention irl events is too far
Where did I say that? I only mentioned that it shouldn't be acceptable for people to freely share what would be classified as dox within vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412463
but most people dissagree. that much should be obvious, considering that the only thing that agreeing does is restrict the medium.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412334
Pokimane who you know what she looks like IRL while donning an avatar and streaming is different from Ironmouse who just streams with just her personality and content. It removes prior biases and judges Ironmouse solely on her character and content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412097
Disney wants new fans, mindless fans that hopefully will consume whatever they put out, which btw is just trained normies. They don't care as much about the established lore and ecosystem of the series. Disney don't want fans that will cause issue and will sometimes not buy their stuff in the event that they ruined the IP, because it is unprofitable. Then again, it doesn't really disagree with my point that normies ruined star war by giving Disney the money they wanted.
For vtubing industry, people wanted to gatekeep, but always failed to do so because some idiots are preventing that due to tribalism alone. For example, people are calling out some of the members in holoEN2 but there are fags that think being a roastie is ok.
Then again there are lots of money involved in vtubing that it will definitely falling down the path of degeneracy sooner or later, especially when ethots think that it is an easy way to earn them extra bucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411992
2views are ultimately irrelevant when the actual industry leaders (the JP corpos) have made it clear what the standard is and thats what most people watch. The EN indie scene is its own circle of Hell and this was known well before this happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412384
>>10411942

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408935
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412284
She's a clout leech, always has been.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412520
No, clout chasers who wants to use "vtubing" as a buzzword to boost their views disagree.
Also "restrict the medium" ? Then I guess I will call kicking passerby in the balls "videogaming" and anyone who disagree obviously is "restricting the medium" and "gatekeeping" the definition to prevent others that have no interest watching a screen from enjoing "videogaming"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412507
>should be considered dox
so, nothing short of address then. because what should be considered doxing and the watered down definition people like you push are very different things. and by definition, it's not doxing if someone posts their own information, even if you are going by the watered down definition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412565
and honestly that's why Pokimane ditched it after a week. Her personality and content couldn't carry her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412677
She ditched it because everyone was attacking her as a trendhopping bandwagoner, rightfully so
This happened INSTANTLY after HoloEN debuted

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412677
Now you see the difference between vtubing and streamers with just an avatar

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412625
just look at how many people liked the original tweet compared to froot's response.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412673
This isn't about someone posting their own information, this is about someone else talking about their information whether they posted it or not. In this board, it is considered to doxpost if you post someone's IRL face, and we will go by that definition. Streamers obviously don't care when someone talks about them and what they are IRL. They are not vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412577
They are different markets.
Why someone who wants to enjoy e-thots content watch a cartoon avatar? It sounds like it would get in the way of what he actually wants.
At the same time, why someone who enjoys watching a cartoon avatar do things watch someone who sometimes ditch the cartoon avatar to do e-thot things?
I'm not saying that there isn't a market for those that want a little bit of both, but I strongly doubt that they are the majority and most fans ( of both mediums ) probably wants to keep the two things separate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412707
Actually it was her own chat that had much more influence.
They were unsubbing because she wasn't giving them the GFE they wanted. That matters a lot more than a non-paying viewer.
Either way, she couldn't hack it as a Vtuber and everyone knew that from the start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412625
didn't finish this>>10412752
most people do definitly disagree, just compare the original tweet's likes to that of froot's response. also, nice strawman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412752
fuck off with the ratio shit, if i have ten followers and dab on people without following i will ratio them

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412821
>Why someone who wants to enjoy e-thots content watch a cartoon avatar? It sounds like it would get in the way of what he actually wants.
I think you understand the reason why those ethots posting their irl pics in their vtubing profiles now. They are trying to have it both ways.

[Anonymous No.]

No one from VShojo has anyone to talk. Of them, at least Nyanners, Froot, Silvervale, Veibae, and Hime Hajime have IRL content on their mains that they did not purge or made no effort to disconnect from their vtuber personas. Most of them have established lore but don't even try to stick to it or only halfheartedly acknowledge it. All of them are far too free when they talk about their personal lives and I'm shocked Nyanners is the only one who's ever been doxxed with how much personal information they freely offer up. Their horrible unprofessionalism means no one ever wants to collab with them unless they're desperate 2views indies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412752
A rando vs a famous vtuber would obviously lose, if only because the vtuber has hordes of fans that will follow and like every single tweet she makes.

[Anonymous No.]

You just know those whores applied for some agencies. Thanks for posting evidence. So when you DO get into one, people will shit you into oblivion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412507
> Would you classify Pewdiepie or Annoying Orange as vtubers?
No, I wouldn't. I think you assumed I was the prior dude you were arguing with. I was just pointing out that the "character they play as" phrase is rather loose. Furthermore, how is Annoying Orange related? Annoying Orange is a character and more kayfabe than most Vtubers. What point are you trying to make with that? Obviously the distinction is different from just "kayfabe" if Annoying Orange isn't a vtuber, but a Vtuber who just acts like their roommate is.

[Anonymous No.]

This is why we need companies like Hololive and Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412805
yes, this very much is about someone posting their own information. that's what the og tweet is complaining about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412937
I agree. I hate all of these bandwagoners who don't care about Vtubing at all. They can keep their 3DPD shit away from vtubing thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412890
>>10412918
literally everyone who saw froot's tweet saw the 2 view's tweet as well.

[Anonymous No.]

Thank god for this dude. It exposed all the fuckers that I will never give the time of day or a single penny to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412928
Yeah and? Even if they are in kayfabe, they are still not a vtuber. Being a vtuber has norms that they need to follow. People who are against gatekeeping vtubers is essentially wanting Annoying Orange or Pewdiepie to be classified as vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413005
Yes, and most of those are likely to be Froot fans who follow her on twitter, so the sample is definitely skewed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408723
Shut the fuck up faggot. Go back to jerking yourself off to free onlyfans subscriptions and pretending that fake-ass 2D ethot cares about your shitty meme jokes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413026
>being against one part of """vtubing culture""" means you think that you think that everything is a vtuber no matter what

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412915
>Their horrible unprofessionalism means no one ever wants to collab with them unless they're desperate 2views indies.
Uhh... hasn't every major company collabed with them by now? And the indies they collab with all gave a viewers in the hundreds minimum. Most are in the thousands. Are you just trying to convince yourself here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408935
Extremely based. NJMT2

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412915
>only one who's ever been doxxed
You are bullshitting right?
Melody was doxxed on Day2 of her existence when Digi's pixiv got hacked. She just decided to ignore it ans stay with her character.
Froot was a known artist before who operated under her own name. Not so much a dox as just a fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412953
I was referring to my post earlier, the OP post is different. Of course posting your own dox is included in the topic, but that wasn't my point though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409306
This, I don't get ratio culture on fucking twitter
QRT actually gave them more exposure than likes lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413118
yes but all the major corpos blacklisted them after [most recent colab between vshojo and major corpo]. trust me dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413117
>incoherent nonsense
Being against an integral part of vtubing culture is detrimental to being a vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413026
Yes, even if someone is in kayfabe they aren't a Vtuber. I'm disagreeing with the idea that Vtubers have any strong sense of playing a character. Most of them just act the same as their roommates did when they livestreamed previously. There are the bare requirements for being a Vtuber, which is having a character name, some lore(? like a sentence is fine), and a live 2D model, and that this is separate conceptually from your real life. That doesn't mean they play strong characters. I'm not against gate-keeping Vtubers, I'm just noting the truth. Fitting into the culture of Vtubing is much more a guide to who should count as proper Vtubers than arbitrary denotations that would count people who clearly aren't Vtubers and discount people who clearly are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412284
Because she's reclining rapidly and needs clout badly. Maybe if she had a consistent schedule and streamed anything else but Apex, she wouldn't have to beg for scraps on Twitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408232
Vtweeters are the fucking worst. They make so many regressive arguments that always end up encouraging insincerity and procrastination.

>1. Real Voice vs Fake Voice
IT DOESN'T MATTER. Whatever is the best sounding voice you can produce that's the one you go with.
>2. Nepotism hires
IT DOESNT MATTER. Is it a quality hire? Yes or no? Can the person produce results?
>3. Lore vs No Lore
IT DOESNT MATTER. Are they passionate about it or not? Would you rather watch someone do lore because they think they have to(but they deep down they hate it) or watch someone who is passionate about it? like lore do it, if you hate it don't do it. Stop ironicfagging.

These arguments need to fucking end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413260
>There are the bare requirements for being a Vtuber
And who defines those bare requirements? The vtubing culture does. And should be a bare requirement for a vtuber to separate their IRL garbage with their character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413250
>integral

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413321
yes, we don't want you bandwagoning 3d thots who only care about virtue signalling politics

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413314
>vtuber to separate their IRL garbage with their character
Yes. Why would you want to offer garbage to your viewers? You could be anything and you chose to be trash?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413314
Yes, I'm agreeing. I don't know why you're arguing with me. I literally said the Vtubing culture is what determines that. I said that these are seperate conceptually from their IRL stuff. I was just noting that most Vtubers don't actually play strong characters and just behave like their roommates. Which is a fact. The Vtuber is seperate conceptually from their roommates, that is a requirement. But they do just behave like their roommates and aren't actually playing strong characters or really have any strong kayfabe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413384
>Why would you want to offer garbage to your viewers
You would be surprised how many vtweeters offer garbage to their audience for clout

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409687
>There we go folks, we're officially between phases 4 and 5.
Never watch indie ENVtubers and you'll be fine. Avoid ENVtubers from western agencies for even better results

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413413
That is why they remain as vtweeters. They should consider making content rather than chasing clout.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413359
>if vtubers post selfies politics are going to infect vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413484
it's true tho
>play as a dark skin chuuba
>"oh you're not black irl, this is black appropriation!"
>"disgusting racism!!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413463
b-but dude! t-they need to b-build up a audience f-first! they dont have the backing of multimillion dollar companies and they want to debut with thousands of viewers!

[Anonymous No.]

Maintaining kayfabe is rule fucking one of vtubing. You are playing a character. If you can't even do that, then there's zero point to it and you might as well stream normally with or without a facecam.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413484
if vtubers post IRL selfies, they consider themselves streamers with an avatar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413484
The golden rule is that Vtubing should be separate from IRL. If vtweeters post IRL content what's stopping them from posting other IRL content like virtue signal politics under the guise that "vtubing should be gatekept".

[Anonymous No.]

Its like these people don't know about kayfabe

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413534
There needs to be a different label for streamers with an avatar but don't really commit to vtubing because they're all being called vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413532
Kek.
>backing of multimillion dollar companies
Slugma has already slain this rrat

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413593
> should be gatekept
shouldn't be gatekept**

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413540
veibae, ame (formerly sachiowo), calli.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408405
I agree with him honestly

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413649
Did they post their IRL selfies under their vtuber accounts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413597
>Its like these people don't know about kayfabe
It's the most misunderstood concept in vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

Gatekeeping is a good thing and absolutely necessary to maintain the integrity of the entity. If there wasn't at least some level of gatekeeping, it would be total anarchy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413694
veibae did/does

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413540
that is what vtubing is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413698
I imagine gatekeeping similar as to why we need to maintain strong borders. Every country needs it, every (sub)culture needs it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413672
The only people who disagree are clout-chasing, vtweeting thots and trannies

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411725
Thotted up and caked in makeup and filters, sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413593
vtubers have done that under kayfabe. like that one metal chuuba that publicly supported palestine

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411992
Imagine watching indies

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413705
Then call out veibae for that. If they insist that they wanted to show their IRL under their vtuber account, then they are considered streamers with an avatar much like pokimane.

[Anonymous No.]

Any corpo vtuber that gives off the 2view experience? I'm scared to look into indies now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413534
>>10413597
The easiest way to admit that you barely watch any Vtubers is to say that maintaining kayfabe is the most important rule. There is the most basic extremely small separation from IRL, of not actually admitting who you are IRL, that you need to keep and that's about it. What most Vtubers discuss happening is literally just their life. They discuss things that make no sense in character all the time. They are basically playing themselves. They just need to not actually admit it's their real life self.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413711
Please read the thread. At least start here:
>>10412565

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413801
streamers with avatars is all that vtubing is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413766
No one else does it for as long as majority of people entertain the thought that vtubing should be IRL garbage free (like politics). Proudly showing your massive disrespect and desecration of vtubing culture will only encourage others to do the same as well, and infect vtubing like the western cancer they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413854
Nope, the "v" in vtuber stands for virtual. Words have meaning

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413824
No. Companies have standards but you can easily find the 2views that do that shit on twitch
https://www.twitch.tv/directory/all/tags/52d7e4cc-633d-46f5-818c-bb59102d9549
Usually SEAnigs, if you spot them theres a 99% chance they'll have their rl face plastered on their channel

[Anonymous No.]

So is this gonna get spammed now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413649
Do we add roomate streams?
Coco, Kiara (sorry I don't watch roomate streams so that's all I know)

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408405
he's right and if you think he's wrong you don't belong on this website

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413854
Oh you also didn't read the thread. Start here:
>>10412565

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413948
How the fuck do you explain this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409335
>you cant dislike english vthots just because your english yourself
What kind of retard logic is that? Im not even westerner so i dont give a fuck, bringing vtubers to west is a mistake, because westerners do miss the point of vtubers, you cant just bring something that was purely japanese idea and think it will work here just fine, as we can see it just dont.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408232
Nigga has a point there, he sounds like a faggot who jerks it to lol porn but he has a point

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413831
even not admitting who you are irl is potentialy optional. i've never heard anyone argue that tamaki or that one from vshojo with the beach ball sized tits aren't vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413831
But that...is just what people mean by kayfabe in the context of vtubers? No one is saying you can't talk about your life, but you should at least pay lip service to your character being a person to which the stories makes sense. If a vtuber talks about a life story, the story shouldn't only make sense if I have to think about it in the sense of the roommate; it should make as much sense if the character goes to the store, or goes out to eat with friends. This isn't really a high bar to clear unless you've gone all in on the powerwank and made a timeless all-powerful character who has existed before time was a concept, and then spoil it by saying "Yeah so when I was 6 I spilled some ice cream on my lap and my mum cleaned it up." Hell, there are still ways to maintain kayfabe even when telling that story, you just have to use your brain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414134
I don't actually disagree but,
>You can't just bring a purely Western idea like animation to Japan and think it will work there just fine, as you can see in the entire anime industry it just don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413908
virtual, as in uses a virtual avatar. unless of course you are refering to the original definition of vtuber that literally only applies to kizuna ai where your character's lore has to be that they are virtual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414076
i don't get how that proves that just streaming with an avatar isn't enough to be considered a vtuber. is it possible that you didn't read the thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413593
>>10413632
Already done by Zentreya, tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414301
>original definition of vtuber that literally only applies to kizuna ai where your character's lore has to be that they are virtual.
Ah, but you're forgetting Projekt Melody, who is a hentAI by lore. VShojo wins again.

>>10408232
>participating in twitter dogpiling
Cringe

>>10408405
>cel nonsense
Cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409218
>hurrdurr i dont care about personal lives
Its because you westerners never cared about anything that things go downhill, you only care when it's too late.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414301
Wrong again, virtual as in virtual youtuber. Aka a virtual character. Words have meaning

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414419
>you're forgetting Projekt Melody, who is a hentAI by lore
I hate that I have to agree with even part of your post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414467
so the kizuna ai definition then. honestly, virtual youtuber is a terrible name that so obviously was designed specifically for kizuna ai being a youtuber, that mainly makes videos and doesn't mainly stream who is in-universe a virtual computer program with an anime-styled interface. it stuck purely becuase of ai's popularity even when it's no longer relevent. using the words themselves as an argument is pointless, as the were describing something different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414287
Bad comparison.
Being youtuber is not strictly western thing, being an anime person is purely japanese idea, the same as trying to imitate japanese media product like manga/anime do not work well because people in general do not understad what makes it authentic, most people just think anime=big eyes, high pitched voice etc.
Its the same, there's already people who complain that vtubers are just cute anime girls avatars and they need to make them more "diverse".
Shit we see now is only begining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414613
Wrong again and again, virtual CHARACTER lol. Doesn't matter of the in-lore explanation is that she's a fucking caveman or an ayylmao you utter moron lol. "Virtual" doesn't mean "digital". It means "virtual". Words have meaning

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414301
It literally means that they are not real but virtual, aka ai or something like that you goofus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414643
I didn't say youtuber. I said animation.
The entire medium was a Western concept that Japan modified to fit their own culture. Quite successfully too.
Now Vtubing, a purely JP thing, is being modified to by Westerners. We shall see if it succeeds.
(I personally hope that Fox's Vsinger is not the future)

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414235
Ok, to be honest, I can never tell what standards for kayfabe are. The most basic rule is that you don't say who you are directly IRL (and if it is extremely obvious, like kagura nana with nanaka gura or tamaki with norio who share twitter accounts/youtube channels with their IRL content, you at least do the bit of "oh no, I'm Tamaki not actually norio haha") as the in lore joke. But like, if Callie dropped all the "death-sensei" bits and death themed part of just describing her life and just described her life, is that still kayfabe? I guess I implicitly treated that as not kayfabe, while prefacing everything with death-sensei type things are kayfabe, and so most Vtubers just never stay in kayfabe. Like Rushia mentions the 魔界 magic demon necromancer realm a bunch but also a bunch of times just doesn't. One of those I counted as kayfabe and the other not. I agree the most basic rule is to not blatantly admit that "yo I'm actually XXX IRL this is all fake" but the amount you can skirt around the rule is ridiculous to it not being the most important part, imo

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414419
>cringe
What an intelligent post, get ownded cels.
>saying anything mean about whores is being a cel
This deserves a c**k award.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414409
Then you are not setting a difference between a normal streamer with an avatar and a vtuber. Just like you are not setting a difference between handing a hundred bucks within a clear plastic envelope labeled "gift" and handing a hundred bucks within a paper envelope labeled "gift"

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>>10414716
that's what it meant when the term "virtual youtuber" was first concived.

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>>10414930
Holy shit, enough already. The concept just isn't making through that thick fucking skull of yours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414930
That's what it still means today. You don't get to change the meaning of words. The dictionary is not a democracy

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>>10414911
i'm not seeing it because it isn't there. i guess vtubers have more control over their appearance, while normal streamers just have to look how they look but there really not that big of a difference.

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>>10414910
The reason why you don't have sex is because you feel compelled to write walls of text seething about how the evil ethots are coming for your hobbies

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415074
This exact same argument was applied to video games back in 2014 and tabletop games in 2016, but replace "evil ethots" with SJWs. Look how THAT turned out.

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>>10415074
The reason why you'll never be a woman is because your chromosomes are XY

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414983
You ever look into how people use the word "terrific" versus it's actual etymology?
Both definitions are in the dictionary but the one that means "begets terror" is historically correct.

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>>10414828
I know what you said, and you comparison is poor.
Vtubers is like anime/manga are part of japanese media, its a product of it's surroundings so to speak.
Its like there's western comics and there's manga, both are product of their culture and work as part of that culture.
You cant have mrrcan superheroes the same way in japan, just as you cant have jap manga in usa, and once you try to change something in order to make it fit, then its loses it's meaning.
There's no real point in bringing vtubers to the west whatsoever, i mean we just see it doesnt work because western thots want to promote themselves not their fictional counterpart and most japanese wont do that because they dont want some stalker creeping over them, not to mention a cute anime girl brings more attraction.
What we see here is prime example that it's not working, because people simply jump the bandwagon
>vtuberr? you mean anime avatars? i guess i can do that
>what? i have to hide my identity? that's dumb i wanna be poplar and want everyone know about muh boring life

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>>10414983
i meant that when the term was created it was used to discribe kizuna ai; a character that in universe was digital. that is what the term originally meant. using it to discribe a virtual but not nessisarily digital character is not the original definition.

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>>10415143
>he's also an unironic g*mergater
Cringe

>>10415151
Nothing but support for my trans friends

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>>10415165
Therefore the modern usage is incorrect and we should stop using it in that fashion. Checkmate baitist.

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>>10415223
Dictionary IS a democracy. Check and mate.

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>>10411159
this edit aged poorly, looking for forwarding to more vshojo collab with both companies

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>>10415165
So you're saying that until there's a definite judgement call by an authority historic customs prevail? Good to know

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>>10415074
Get a load of this c*ckboi
Two things m8
1.People who call woman whores and have zero respect for them gets all the woman.
2.you dont get sex by respecting ethots

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415059
Normal streamers have to look how they look and if they so chooses, don an avatar.
Vtubers rely on their content and personality with no prior basis on how they look IRL.
You see the difference in freedom of normal streamers? When they get bored of it, they coud just revert to their IRL forms.

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>some retard trying to argue definitions
Shut up, stop being a snowflake. The assblasted faggot in the OP was right and him calling out the whores made all the 2view vtweeters come out. Stop with the pointless pronoun derail.

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>>10415204
41%

[Anonymous No.]

Also the modern usage of "vtuber" is someone who streams with an anime avatar. A dedicated group of like 50 seething virgins can't gatekeep it. Consider this normalfag conversation example:
>hey, check out this streamer on Twitch, she's using an anime avatar!
>wow, that must be one of those vtubers I heard on BBC about, that's freaky

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415312
and vtubers can't? the only thing stopping vtubers from being free to post pictures of themselves is your definition making them no longer count as vtubers the moment they do so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415304
>angry celposting on /r9k/ actually gets you laid
An entirely new level of cope

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>>10415180
I will agree that trying to outright copy Vtubing to the west is wrong, but the medium of using a virtual avatar is a medium, not the product.
That medium can be adapted to the west the same way animation was adapted to Japan rather than just making JP clones of disney films.

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>>10415204
>using cringe all the time instead of coherent words
I see hormones ruined your braincells as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415352
Shut up, faggot. Stop trying to make "virtual youtuber" a pronoun. Fuck off to Fox's Alter Ego.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415380
Exactly. So those vthots are just normal streamers who wants to be labeled vtuber just for trend hopping.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410398
attention addiction is a modern first world problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415352
And that someone they see will be Kyuotto

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>>10415312
Meanwhile Kson exists.

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>>10415386
>People only mean to woman on /r9k/
>everyone who is mean to woman is a cel
>implying I ever posted there
Nice ad hominems but they aint gonna prove anything m8
except that ur a c*ck that is

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>>10415498
She already graduated. Why bring dead vtubers into the argument?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415352
Surely people can gatekeep, which is why you are here to discourage people to gatekeep, 2views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415522
You should link your Twitter rant about how Instagram whores are ruining vtubing to women you match with on Tinder, that'll surely get them in the mood

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>>10415558
Are you really that retarded?

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>>10415446
since you completly misunderstood what i meant. let's say that a long-time vtuber who has not been popular before being a vtuber showed her face on her vtubing account. does this make her a trend hopping whore?

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>>10415558
Pretty sure I saw Kson stream the other day. When she graduate?

[Anonymous No.]

Komm Susser Todd plays as a read this thread.
How fitting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415647
this thread is the best thread what are you talking about

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>>10415574
You should link your shilling on a Vietnamese anime site to your psychiatrist, maybe he'll up your estrogens

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415558
Did I mention the name of anyone who possibly might have graduated from Hololive?
Nope. You made that connection all on your own.
Congratulations.

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>>10414880
The ease of it has no bearing on its importance - in fact, it is even more tragic that for something so easy to do, some vtubers just discard it. What is canonical for a vtuber is usually literally just three lines of text and their model's appearance. So why is it so hard to maintain the separation?
The thing is, in the sense of being a streamer, there is no functional difference to the viewer whether the streamer is putting forth their real self or a character - they might as well both be characters. By presenting one with incongruent characteristics, you weaken the other. All one has to do is not contradict, implicitly or otherwise, previously established facts their character is supposed to adhere to! A blatant example would be, for example, if someone has an anime catgirl avatar or something, and then they say, "Well, as I am black in real life, I often get looks on the street" - once you say something like this, you've set up two conflicting representations of your self in the viewer's head. You weaken your presentation of your public persona for no reason at all. Would someone sell a new product with two different logos and designs overlapping on the same bottle? Then why are you doing it with the carefully designed cutesy thing supposed to draw people in?

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>>10415574
I can link a guy who complains about woman all the time and still get girls for fuck.
Because you clearly aint gonna comprehend that sex=/=respect for whomaen.
Its funny how something so obvious become lost in the era of white knighting simping retards like yourself.

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>>10415601
In your hypothetical scenario, do you mean a long time streamer who has not been popular before being a vtuber? It would be laziness to just create a vtuber account over your normal streamer account without even scrubbing your IRL info on that account.

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>>10415668
>ethots wanna be vtubers
>respect muh whore life
Its the situation that makes depressed

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415743
Did I mention Hololive? Let's not play dumb here. My question stands. Why bring dead vtubers into the argument?

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>>10415771
no, i just meant that this isn't a well known streamer who "hopped on" the vtubing trend. what she did before vtubing doesn't matter. i'm saying that a vtuber showing their face does not make them a trend hopper.

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>>10415498
Kson is a streamer, and she's pretty much a typical thot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415837
kson is not a dead vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415909
We've gone full circle. Is pokimane a vtuber?

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>>10415947
when she uses the vtubing avatar: yes, when she doesn't: no.

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>>10415881
>streamer who "hopped on" the vtubing trend.
>vtuber showing their face
>does not make them a trend hopper?
You're slipping. Finally you realize that there is a difference on normal streamer with an avatar and vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

It's amazing how Whim's words are making all the bandwagoning thots drop their masks and all 2-view trannies collectively shit their pants.

It's not like he has the ability to compel people with his personal charisma, he just spoke the truest words.

[Anonymous No.]

vtubing is when you roleplay a marvel character designed by japanese salarymen and the more marvel your character is the more of a vtuber you are

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>>10415976
Again: vtuber does not mean using an avatar to stream. Playing VRchat doesn't make you a vtuber. A vtuber is a virtual youtuber, aka a virtual character. You don't get to reframe this

[Anonymous No.]

To be fair, even japanese vtubers kinda ruing the whole thing.
>keep openly talking about their personal lives
>less and less keep a character
>almost admit being whores
>and i mean like whores not just having bf
And of course westerners gonna applaud
>WOHOOOO YOU GO GIRL
>DONT BE A FAKE ANIME TITS BE URSELF BE A WHORE
Just nuke the world

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>>10415988
wait, i think i assumed that you were arguing that any vtuber who shows her face automatically a "trend hopper" but i guess you weren't? either way i don't see trend hoppers as an actuall issue, if you don't like them, just don't watch them.

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>>10415976
No. The only answer is no. The moment you switch to IRL you stop being a vtuber and become regular ass streamer that misuses an appropriated gimmick to attract a younger audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415976
Oof. Tourists experiencing coping for the first time. Inhale deeply

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416041
look, we could argue all day about what the definition of vtuber is and never agree. but you asked me a question and i gave an honest answer.

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>>10415574
>a literal faggot is the one who keep bringing cels whenever someone calls out woman.
Who would ever guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416121
Trend hoppers became an issue when they started criticizing, preaching and screaming on a medium that they clearly don't care and don't respect.

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>>10416170
And that answer is objectively wrong

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>>10415837
Love how you try to mask a self-own.
I bring dead vtubers into it because that's how easy it is for them to drop the avatar. You insist on trying to paste character lore over it, but your own post shows you know exactly what reality is outside the lore. She would have kept the model too if it wasn't legally owned by someone else.
>captcha 44VAX which you should totally try taking a shot of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416170
There is nothing to argue, vtuber is a fake persona, thats the point.
Having an anime avatar doesnt make you a vtuber.
Its like saying that you are american just because you speak english.

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>>10416204
NO! YOU'RE OBJECTIVELY WRONG!
>NO! YOU'RE OBJECTIVLY WRONG
NO! YOU'RE OBJECTIVELY WRONG
see what i mean?

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>>10415819
Why are people defending thots on an anonymous board?

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>>10416266
I get what you mean but no, words have meaning and objective reality exists. Not all opinions are valid. Are you a flat earther by chance?

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>>10416172
Read this image >>10408405 and tell me with a straight face you think this guy is popular with women. It's textbook cel nonsense. It's not cool fratbro style "i fucking hate women lol" ranting, it's literal babywhining about how mean women destroyed his anime character fantasy world. He doesn't have sex.

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>>10416227
there is no set in stone definition of a vtuber, but the way i see it is that all you need is an avatar to stream with. you don't see it that way but at least i admit i have no authority to decide what i vtuber it.

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>>10416266
Exept you are wrong, you have arguments and reasoning and logic, you on other hand just throwing a fit and refusing to accept defeat.

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>>10416306
Neither do you, my dude.
Go outside, get some fresh air and unironically touch grass.

[Anonymous No.]

The reality of the matter is that for 95% of people who have heard of "vtubers" on some level, it means someone who streams with an anime avatar. No amount of incessant whining like "n-no if you have IRL pictures on your Twitter it doesn't count" will change this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416302
see>>10416311
there is no "objective reality" of the definition of a vtuber, people WILL disagree but i'm not pretending i have any actual say in the matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416306
This is beyond memes

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>>10416215
>easy it is for them to drop the avatar
She already dropped that avatar hence dead vtuber. What is your argument?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416382
There's the historic, customary, in-fandom definition, which is more than you have

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>>10416126
>No. The only answer is no.
according to the 10 commandments of vtubing i assume? given to vtubing moses by vtubing god? you don't make the rules on what is and is not a vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

Personally I largely switched to watching vtubers over nonvtuber streamers to escape titty streamer ethots. Your tits don't make up for lack of personality or actual content.
>what are big titty anime girl vtubers
i like to believe that the big titty vtuber powercreep is slower in the vtubing sphere, but also coomers and their simpbucks are easily parted

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>>10416300
For this very reason
>>10409687
4chan is overran by retards who is brainwashed by the western retard machine.
Where im from its common for man to say a lot of bad things about woman and whores in general, west is just c*cked

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>>10416454
Words have meaning, and the meaning is defined by common usage. "Me and my buddies decided that you're not a vtuber if you posted IRL pictures" doesn't count if nobody else agrees, and very few people seem to agree considering the backlash the Twitter guy got.

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>>10416454
and people dissagree on all of those, but there are plenty of people who agree with me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10408543
why did you think anyone who cheated on their fiance was ever worth your time?

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>>10416474
Why are you attributing religious themes to the practice of vtubing?

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>>10416448
she still uses it though? unless you're saying that if you EVER show you're face you are banned from being a vtuber for ever which pretty much nobody agrees with, mostly because it's absolutly insane

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416521
Plenty of people who disagree with you as well. By your own logic that makes your point of view equally null and void.

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>>10416306
>assuming someone is popular or not with woman by their text
Imagine being this shallow.
But to be fair i did the same thing when I assumed some anime creators are fat virgins and then i found out they either womaen or married with kids.
Judging book by it's cover, not very progressive and very thoughtful of ya, dont ya think?

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>>10416515
>Words have meaning, and the meaning is defined by common usage
This is wrong and it's the reason why dictionaries exist

>very few people seem to agree considering the backlash the Twitter guy got
Irrelevant (see above) AND a non sequitur in any case since being popular doesn't mean being right

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>>10416515
Isnt that literally what twitter vtroons did when pewds put on an avatar for lulz?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416558
becuase people are acting like their personal definition of vtuber is gospel and i was emphusising how dumb that is.

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>>10416474
It's a matter of whose house you speak in. And >>1 means that there has to be a clear separation between the character and the person playing it, because the character is ontopic and the RL persona isn't (as well as other personas who happen to be played by the same character). By analogy, the default interpretation of "roommate" is someone living together with someone, but it means something culturally specific here.

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>>10416521
So you're saying there's two contrasting points of view, one of which is supported by historical evidence and the other is supported by nothing, alright

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416584
>she still uses it though
What? You might have inhaled to much copium for that statement. Maybe clear your mind a little.

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>>10416622
Dictionaries don't define the language. If people change the way they use a word, dictionaries change with it, not the other way around.

>being popular doesn't mean being right
When it comes to language, it literally does though. If enough people start making the same "mistake", it becomes official.

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>>10416382
>there is no "objective reality" of the definition of a vtuber,
Exept there is, it was defined when vtubers frist become a thing, a retards like you aint gonna suddenly claim its all vague, fuck off with your nihilistic crap.

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>>10416648
So you're a heretic?

[Anonymous No.]

I got out of this thread like +100 replies ago, what did I miss?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416591
no, becuase as i said, people WILL disagree and i don't have any more say in what a vtuber is than anyone else, that is to say, none at all. but i don't pretend to unlike you. anyone's interpritation of "vtubers" are equally valid. all i'm saying is that i have a right to an opinion

[Anonymous No.]

The Masquerade Girls, Japanese agency, are clearly Vtubers right? Nobody disagrees with this. They're an ecchi vtuber agency. But Nano has ecchi photos of her irl body which are advertised on her Vtuber twitter (no face pics though). I mean, Masquerade are also literally selling themselves for people to fap to with lewd shit outright as sex-workers. But given some of the logic in this thread, you'd think they wouldn't be counted as vtubers. For reference, I consider Masquerade as Vtubers but would gate keep some of these western vtubers, so I want someone else to take the burden of figuring out how these views are logically compatible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416725
no, infact i was making fun of heretics acting like their mortal opinions are as great as god almighty.

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>>10416697
>Dictionaries don't define the language
>When it comes to language, it literally does though
Must be why now grammar textbook report "your" and "you're" as equivalent ways to conjugate the verb to be to the second person singular in the present tense. Oh wait, they don't, because one is wrong and one is right. Try again

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416667
no. neither are supported by anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416746
>>10411300

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>>10416682
go to her channel right now and see when the last time she used it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416844
But here >>10414301 you conceded that there's an original definition. You're wrong, accept it and move on with your life (and out of my fucking hobby)

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416702
the term "virtual youtuber" was created to refer specifically to kizuna ai a youtuber who made short videos whose character was that of a computer program represented as an anime girl. by this original definition, kizuna ai is literally the only vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416869
July 1, 2021. pretty much dead to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416697
>>10416804
Bringing in dictionaries has the issue that dictionaries rarely if ever cover nieche colloquialism (and if they do, they don't do it well). But dictionaries are a temporary collection of words and their commonly understood meanings. They have authority in so far that an outdated (or poor) dictionary does not survive for much longer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416895
there is an original definition, but it's not what you're arguing for. it's even less of a definition, and more of just a description of kizuna ai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416953
And here you are trying to conflate the words "virtual" and "digital" again. You've already been called out here >>10414716
Give up

[Anonymous No.]

>>10409617
jesus dude are you like 50 or 60? what the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416966
Kson uses her own avatar now, you moldy fucking mop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416746
I don't think it's as black-and-white as someone is either entirely vtuber content or is entirely not. If someone makes vtuber content and also non-vtuber content, it's split pretty much exactly like that; the vtuber stuff they do is vtuber content and vtuber-related and the IRL stuff they do is not vtuber content and not vtuber related. Remember, the thing which makes someone a vtuber/makes content vtuber related to begin with is BECAUSE they have a virtual avatar, if you remove the virtual avatar from a livestream it's not a vtuber livestream anymore, it's just a livestream.
When Pokimane did a livestream that one time with a virtual avatar, that was a vtuber livestream. Every other time Pokimane has streamed with her regular facecam is not a vtuber livestream nor vtuber-related content. Now, hating someone for being a trend-hopping instagram thot who's using the vtuber trend as nothing more than a booster for their non-vtuber related content like pictures of their 3/10 mug or their flabby ass is one thing, their IRL pictures are most certainly not vtuber-related at all, but any vtuber-related content they actually do put out is, although you don't need to like their content either just because it's vtuber related. That's how I personally feel about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417005
>there is an original definition, but it's not what you're arguing for
Yes i am, because history and customs ARE an argument, certainly more of an argument than literally nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417015
i'm saying that that is how it was first used "virtual" pretty much meant "digital" a definition where it doesn't is nkt the original definition and is only as valid as any other non-original definition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416746
I mean, you just gave a good dividing line there. No face pics. No easy way to track them down if you wanted to do so.
Frankly I'm flabbergasted that these people are trying to break down something that favors streamers so much; a culture that accepts their entertainers as anonymous by default, no solid ties from their internet identity to their real life required.
The only reason I can think of is that they want to take their 'internet accomplishments' with them into their real life, which instantly signals a profound lack of commitment to their character - only they matter. Real life is more important. If my e-cred doesn't translate into real-world cred, what's the point, right? Their character is a skin to be shucked off when inconvenient.
They normalize it so in time if you don't show your real identity you're seen as weird; if you hang out offline you have no guarantee someone won't just dox you to their whole audience with stealth group photos because "you're taking things too seriously".
While at the same time they happily throw open the door to all the shit popular streamers face, and then later whine about how some fans are too psycho, how stalkers are so inevitable, how some people just want to see the world burn and isn't it sad? Where did it all go wrong?

https://www.svg.com/135211/the-scariest-real-life-moments-for-twitch-streamers/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417082
>how it was first used "virtual" pretty much meant "digital"
No it's not, you weren't there, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Stop

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417081
then every vtuber must make short videos instead of streams and have a character who is virtual in the lore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416953
It refers to her being "virtual" aka not real.
It doesnt mean its about her being an ai, and even then might as well say that other vtubers are same ai but with different character.
No matter how you try to twist, it means only one thing
>fake fictional character
That's it, dont like it? the fuck off, dont call yourselfa vtuber until you make yourself a foking virtual persona, hell even hentai artists understand that, and bunch of autistic faglords cant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417146
>instead of streams
You clueless fucking newfag, Kizuna Ai streams. She streamed last week. Eat glass moron

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417111
are you arguing that kizuna ai's character isn't digital in her lore? becuase that's the only argument you could be making right now that isn't circular logic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411227
exactly, in fact, we should show all the strings attached to the flying boogeyman and the director shouting in the background!

[Anonymous No.]

some of you anons are too angry at this shitpost it makes me wonder if you are one of those vtweeters

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417219
she didn't when the term was coined

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>>10417025
>I bring dead vtubers into it because...
That is why you don't bring dead vtubers into the argument. Your point never stands
as for kson...
>Kson uses her own avatar
See even you know that she's just a streamer with an avatar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417210
it very much is about her being an ai. i'm not sure how much more clearly i can explain it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417222
Alright you're resorting to word salad now. Her being digital has no bearing, it's irrelevant. They are called VIRTUAL youtubers, not DIGITAL youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417260
Irrelevant, that doesn't change the definition of the word "virtual"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417226
agreed! i love "behind the scenes" and "making of" stuff!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417296
Look, her being an ai is like de facto that all vtubers are basically ai, it goes for all vtubers, ultimately it's just about having a fake persona.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417334
yeap, during the movie, they should explain all the tricks they use
for example, right when gandalf arrives with the army from the west, they should stop the movie and then have gandalf explain that these are all CGIs!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417326
it's not irrelevent. if you want to be a "true vtuber" and follow the definition exactly, you need to use the old short video format and not the streaming format.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417379
No, you need to follow the original definition, which is having a virtual persona, being in the name and all

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417260
>>10417296
Stop it. Get some help.

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's fair to say there are indeed no rules set in stones, pic related is pretty well respected but barely hide their IRL persona (iirc even a chat emote is their face). However it does feel very different from the 2views replying and making some kind of weird statement. It's not too easy to exactly draw the limits, however saying there are none is retarded, words exist for a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417054
>I don't think it's as black-and-white
Of course, but what's happening here (among other things) is that there are two camps arguing over what exactly "black" is.
>Every other time Pokimane has streamed with her regular facecam is not a vtuber livestream nor vtuber-related content.
And there are plenty of people here who'll disagree and state that "your character must not be you".
Around here you'll get banned for doing that most of the time because the popular (as in popular here, not in the numberfagging sense) do not do that, whereas the twitter responses are essentially a big fuck you to the insinuation that this is in any sort of way mutually exclusive.

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>>10417371
what does "during the movie" refer to? until the vtuber graduates? forever? personally i would hate to spend so much time as a vtuber only to never get credited for it because it would "break" someone's "immersion".

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>>10417260
>>10417296
>>10417379

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>>10408405
Cringe, but true nonetheless

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Why people who are defending thots always trying to obscure the real issue with inane definition that nobody actually disagree except themselves? It was like this back in the day when a roastie fucked 5 guys too.

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>>10417412
Well, there's a quick and visceral way to explore it. If I make really fucked up porn of Tamaki, she's not going to come after me. If I make really fucked up porn of his roommate and it spreads enough, however, I can expect to have legal action brought against me. Clearly, there is a difference between the character and the real person behind it.

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>>10417397
the short video format is part of the original definition. they are called virtual YOUTUBERS after all.

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>>10417536
Ever heard of clips?

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>>10417529
I'm pretty sure it can be like people in some cases, there are characters with that kind of protection (see Disney), early on any lewd of Sora was forbidden and could lead to legal action, I remember a local drawfag named comdost still did some and got shit for it but hopefully only posted on board.

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>>10417509
i'm not moving the goalposts. i'm explaining what they are to those too dumb to follow.

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>>10417519
Because this is what Phase 5 of infiltrating a hobby looks like. They flood in, call everyone who's been doing it longer than them all manner of buzzwords and appropriate everything that isn't nailed down. Except this time they're trying to change what defines "nailed down" so they can take it.

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>>10417567
those aren't made by the vtubers themselves (usually). and therefore most modern vtubers aren't youtubers.

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>>10417600
you're deluding yourself if you think vtubing wasn't at the very end of the process you're describing by the time hololive brought normies in

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>>10417600
you're not a victim just becuase you want to force your opinion of what a vtuber is onto everyone else.

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>>10417519
Because they have no real arguments and just gonna call you words.
The only real value they have in life is how much sex you had in your life sooo

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>>10417644
Actually usually vtubers have clips of their own streams hosted on their official channel. Some vtubers have whole channels dedicated to nothing but VOD highlights. You're grasping at straws, leave

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>>10417678
Yeah that's pretty dumb, it should be how many childs with your ADN you got living on this earth.

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>>10408405
western vtubers lack other vtuber related contents so they tend to focus only on streaming. japan have a bunch of those like short comics, too many cgs, fan-made marchs, figures, anime, and so on. so they can fictionally stably exist in them.

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>>10417688
those aren't youtubers. those are streamers with youtube channels. there is a difference.

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>>10417500
Not everything is a one-to-one analogy. His point is that you ruin the immersion of a medium if you put meta about the medium in it.
> i would hate to spend so much time as a vtuber only to never get credited
Movies have credits and "making of" and such, but most never (want to) see those. Vtubers? That's not clear yet.

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>>10417676
You are the one who's trying to defy the definition everyone already had in mind, so keep your finger pointing and look at the mirror instead.
Just fuck off, already.

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>>10417736
No, they are youtubers. As in youtube is the only content publishing platform they use. Do you need examples or do you feel humiliated enough?

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>>10417695
>how many childs
Fucking SEAniggers I swear to God.

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>>10417500
Obviously you can do whatever you want.
Or you can make it so obvious but never explicitly mention it.
You are basically abusing the affection that people have over your CHARACTER to transfer over to you as a person.

It shows that you have no respect for your character that people love.
Its similar to an author that butchers their own book/character.
Just imagine, the author of Superman decided that in the next chapter, Superman is actually just a dream and everything is just the imagination of some incel loser.
People will lose their shit, and I argue rightfully so.
But who are we to criticize his own work? Its his creation after all...right?
Or is it?

Again, do whatever you want. I am just saying this is what upsets me.
IDK, who am I stop Watame from posting her working on her vag tomorrow?
It will upset me, but I totally understand this is out of my control and I am just venting here.

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>>10417736
NTA but Haneru (JP Vtuber from Animare, 774) streams only on youtube and has clips of her youtube stream on her youtube channel, just for reference.

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>>10408405
>>10408232
tldr pls

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>>10417760
>muh immersion
do you cry when vtubers talk about real life becuase it breaks your immersion? do you have 90% of hololive blacklisted and trend hopping whores becuse they accidentally spoke in their regular voices?

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>>10417500
And there it is. Credit. Isn't the money from vtubing enough? Isn't the adulation from fans, the messages of support, the connections with other chuubas behind the scenes, enough? Isn't the streaming experience enough? This used to be done at most as a part-time job because it didn't pay shit and wasn't worth anything on a resume. People who did it got other things out of it. Suddenly there's this new breed who are so concerned about exit plans and attaching their prospective internet fame and success to their RL identity.

Who do you think seems more trustworthy to hire, the employee who is hellbent on negotiating his severance package before joining the company, or the employee who is more interested in career paths within your company?

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>>10417864
No! Half the answers you get will probably be purposefully wrong so you'll have to check anyway if you really want to know.

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>>10417764
>everyone
>he really believes this

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>>10417669
>hololive brought normies
Yes, and? how is that contradict what he says?

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>>10417931
tldr pls

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>>10417474
I think the main thing the 2view in the OP got wrong was his main point got misguided. It's not the fact that they're posting IRL content which is the problem because as shown by people like Norio, you can post IRL content and still be a respected vtuber who clearly cares about the vtuber scene. The IRL content they post isn't "vtuber" content, but the vtuber content they do post isn't invalidated because of it, nor does it even mean that the IRL non-vtuber content being posted is inherently bad. I watch plenty of regular livestreamers and have for years.
The real "issue" here is the trend-hoppers and thots bandwagonning onto vtubers to promote their non-vtuber content, but then I don't pay attention to random vtweeters, I just ignore things I don't like like a normal person. Those type of low-effort "titty streamers" have always existed in livestreaming and they won't ever go away because there's always money to be made off of the horny simps who support it. My advice, just block the people you don't like, if they're really a trendhopper they'll be gone by next year anyway so why even bother extending the effort of getting angry about it?

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>>10417896
>why do you want to put this job on your resume?
>isn't the money enough?
>isn't the work ethic enough?

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>>10417888
I specifically said "his point" so why are you addressing me?
>talk about real life becuase it breaks your immersion
I didn't know that it does, good to know. Or, who are you quoting?

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>>10417953
Yeah sorry i meant
>anyone who has even the smallest degree of common sense
Retards and trannies who deny such obvious things like two genders only, do not count.

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>>10417864
tl;dr - twitter nobody said "don't post irl pics on twitter account", from that the world and this thread burst into flames and controversy over what a Vtuber is and what boundaries are ethots or not ethots and what to gatekeep

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>>10418019
i'm saying that if people want to be immersed to bad; they should watch a move, turn on the tv or play a game. don't go to a medium where there being real people behind the avatars is the whole point.

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>>10418101
meant "so bad"

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>>10418030
ad hominem is not an argument. you have no more say in what a vtuber is than anyone else.

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>>10417888
>90% of hololive blacklisted
You clearly dont know shit about hololive
pls fuck off
>talking about IRL
Talking about things while maintaning your identity
WOW
such a never heard of before concept! almost like this is exactly what we are talking about?
And yeah, some people including myself, think this is where all starts going downhill, such things possible, amazing right?

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>>10418101
>>10418124
In my opinion, you're misframing the scope of all those mediums here. Movies, shows, video games have real people behind the avatars and real people coming up with the stories they tell. Fictional stories are interesting because they relate to real life in some sense. The same applies to vtubing. But there are conventions and rules for things you cannot do in them as well. You can break the fourth wall, and you can have a story that is autobiographical, but you cannot interrupt the story and explain what motivates you to tell that story and how you made it.
And to be clear, you were responding to me, not to >>10418198

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>>10418101
>where there being real people behind the avatars is the whole point.
do really consider watame and pokimane to be in the same genre?

We really need more specific terminologies for vtubing
Everyone understands when something is called manga vs comics vs manhwa
They are 2 very different medium

I think the problem is that there's actually 2 disjoint set in vtubing but everyone refers to it as the same thing so we obviously will never agree

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>>10418198
>ad hominem
Ah yea, the very thing i get from people like you in this very thread.
>you have no more say in what a vtuber is than anyone else.
I say what is a well known fact, if you retarded and cont comprehend such thing, then it's not my concern, you just another sodomite who want to change the very definition of things so it will fiy your shitty agenda, you are the same cancer that keeps ruin things just so it would make you feel comfortable, so your words matters less then dog crap because you have no reason and logic behind them, only your petty self interests.

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>>10418202
>talking about real life while still in character is where it all starts to go downhill
well in that case, yeah, you probably would hate 90% of hololive.