Reasons for no homos collab

[Anonymous No.]

> ban is still in effect and was only publicly said to have gone away
> management specifically doesn't want them to collab instead of a company rule
> homos are actively denying collabs
> girls not collabing with them because they are male
> girls not collabing with them because they are male idols and not normal males
> girls selling out for simp bux
> wouldn't want to upset the 'holostar female' fanbase
> holostars too small to benefit the girls from collabing so they'd rather not
> they just don't know each other and wouldn't want to reach out to them

Did I miss anything? Also, which one do you believe in?

[Anonymous No.]

Most likely would be number 6

[Anonymous No.]

>>1029260
the one thing I don't understand is why would they collab less with males the bigger they get. Shouldn't they be more aware of upsetting their fanbase when it's small rather than when they're almost too big to lose????

[Anonymous No.]

well I think mostly it's because of the precedent of 3rd gen coming in and fucking everything up with their girlfriend pandering. when homos get bigger they'll probably have a more mentally stable fanbase, instead of the autism that is the jp branch

[Anonymous No.]

Funny that you should post this thread with Astel considering that he's actually reprimanded his chat before for pushing him to get closer with the girls. He literally calls them autistic virgins: https://youtu.be/6LGSu7jaooM?t=2038

[Anonymous No.]

Power disparity. The girls are in the millions, they guys are mostly stuck at five figures. The girls would gain nothing except for triggering schizos, and the guys would be seen as trying to leach success.

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>>1029869
Fucking based. Beggar schizo's aren't real holostar fans.

[Anonymous No.]

Bigbro Astel can collab with whoever he wants, now seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>collabing with m*les

[Anonymous No.]

>>1030034
The power disparity is hot though???

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>>1030605
Even twitch thots collab with males, is your oshi worse than a twitch thot?

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>>1032083
>implying a twitch thot is somehow the lowest when it's just the english version of a niconico/bilibiliwhore.

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>>1032168
What does that make Holos? You can't call them entertainers when people don't watch them to be entertained and instead for the GFE. Maybe instead they should be called online prostitutes or cam girls with an avatar? Holy shit I just realized how funny it's going to be when people that are mentally sane find out about Hololive's real financial model. Hololive will soon be synonymous with fake online whore, I feel so bad for Yagoo....

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>>1032083
I don't care who vtubers collab with, I just wanted to slugmapost.

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>>1029237
>girls not collabing with them because they are male
I Feel like this is the most likely, as far as i am aware (although admittedly take it with a grain of salt because i haven't seen any evidence of this) several of the girls like Subaru Towa or Noel have expressed to not want to collab with males explicitly so they don't alienate their male audiences

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>>1029869
Astel continues to impress me.

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>>1029305
I Feel it is because they think most of their fanbase is like that independently of it's size

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>>1029869
Wasn't that because he was being shipped with Amelia and had some idol fans from her side go and harrass him because of that time he superchatted her? he didn't do it because he was being pushed to be closer with girls he did it because people thought he was romantically interested in Amelia just because he talked to her one time

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>>1029237
But Astel has been collabing with Ollie lately. And Fubuki, Matsuri, and a few others collab other members.

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>>1033140
This is true, i think Matsuri hasn't collab with any of them for like a year or more because she is too focus on her crippling Apex addiction, but Fubuki even retweets fanart of her and Oga to this very day

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>>1029237
I used to think that catboy kamui was the best homostar but Astro clearly has more Chad energy.

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>>1029237
> management specifically doesn't want them to collab instead of a company rule
> girls selling out for simp bux
> wouldn't want to upset the 'holostar female' fanbase
these are ogey.
> ban is still in effect and was only publicly said to have gone away
> homos are actively denying collabs
> girls not collabing with them because they are male
> girls not collabing with them because they are male idols and not normal males
> holostars too small to benefit the girls from collabing so they'd rather not
> they just don't know each other and wouldn't want to reach out to them
these are rrat.

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>>1033047
>Subaru
she collabed with maimoto before

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>>1033223
I Am aware but that's more of an exception and she did it with other people like Ui Mama or other Niji members in the collab, i was refering more to a solo collab with another male, and as i said take it with a grain of salt i haven't seen an actual clip of her saying this

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>>1029237
Pride, and not just gay pride. The homos are proud samurai they would not kneel and beg for help from the women. A mans path is his to carve and his alone.

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>>1033273
>as i said take it with a grain of salt i haven't seen an actual clip of her saying this
then quit posting your shitty rrat

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>>1033185
Matsuri collabed with Rikka a month ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApDabw_QmpY

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>>1029237
It's the money OP
It's always the money

[Anonymous No.]

Half of the girls seem too autistic to handle speaking to the opposite sex

[Anonymous No.]

Astel is so cute...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1029237
> homos are actively denying collabs. They don't want to leech.
> management specifically doesn't want them to collab because of a company rule
> Girls don't want to collab because it would cost them simp bux.

These are the top three reasons.

Friend, Festival, Choco and Indogs are the only good Holos.
Azki as well if she counts as a Holo.
Fuck everybody else, desu.

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>>1032353
But people do watch them for the entertainment. The people looking for the GFE watch the indies. Specifically the seiso ones because they can't get a submissive just-like-my-anime gf irl so they prey on new girls with no subscribers and throw them monthly 500ARS.
>inb4 stop projecting on indie viewers
But I did the same thing you did.
>inb4 op can't inb4 etc etc
Anyways, personally I'd love to see the girls collab with the males. At the very least the unironic NOMALES parasites would have an autistic episode on the floor.

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>>1034072
This is what I want as well, but why would they forsake their sacred simp bux

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>>1033078
that's kind sad, imagine thinking your whole fanbase are just simps that watch you because you're a woman.

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>>1034002
Same imagine selling out for money

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>>1034072
Well if they don’t collab with males aren’t they basically admitting that GFE is a big part of their appeal

[Anonymous No.]

It isn't both about the company and not about the company. You guys have to understand that while Cover manages fhem, these vtubers have sole creative decisions and what image they will show. The management will highly recommend something if they think it could be harmful for their image BUT it is up to the vtuber entirely. These vtubers respect their managers so they will most likely concede. So what I'm saying here is that these vtubers understands what they are offering their viewers. If they think collabing with a dude will hurt them, they won't do it. If they don't care, they will go for it. That is why you have a Fubuki and a Matsuri. HoloID is an exception because we know ID culture is just different.

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>>1034967
So what you're telling me is that all the holos who don't collab with males are internet prostitues?

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>>1029237
There's no point in collabing just because. I wish there were more collabs between holostars and hololive, but only if it is indeed organic.

Fuck the schizos complaining because "perfect idol is interacting with male". Fuck idol culture. Just let them interact if they feel like it, for fuck sake

[Anonymous No.]

The girls are already too shy to ask their own genmates for collabs, let alone the men whom they almost never interact with.

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>>1035062
No such thing as organic I mean do you really think that JPs reaching out to EN was 'organic' and not because of EN blowing up? It's not going to be organic until people accept these collabs between holostars and hololive; which won't happen until more people take the first steps and collab with each other.

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>>1035102
Please don't tell me you actually believe this? Do you really think that out of all 40 members from the main branch they are all to shy to discord message someone for a collab??? Do you also believe that 90% of the girls are also lesbians???

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>>1035171
They're Japanese and a good number of them are shut-ins.

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>>1035171
They're shut-ins but they aren't lesbians.

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>>1035040
They're not selling their bodies. They are not showing their boobs at you and pretending to cum. They are entertainers. They stream long hours playing games and building a relationship with their fans. If they don't want to collab with a dude. You can't fucking make them. There's plenty hologirls that has mentioned that they won't. Those that do will.

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>>1032353

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>>1030605
>posting the one who's personally turning Tsunderia into a co-ed group
Ogey

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>>1035134
The only way for people to accept it is if the streamers themselves start doing it and tell the weirdos on the chat to fuck off.

I highly respect Fubuki and Matsuri for all the collabs they did with them, since it surely was a step on the right direction.

The problem is, for that shitty way of thinking to stop, there needs to be more of them willing to do it,especially the more idol-like ones, like Aqua. But of course it won't happen, the backlash would be so severe they wouldn't risk it. That, of course, supposing that they are not doing it only because of the hate, and not because them don't feel like collabing with them.

Sora calling Roberu on that special live was also huge to keep the hopes up. I hope she genuinely wants to collab with them in the future. I just want that wall to fall, man.

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>>1032353
Are you some self hating female that is drooling over Astel or. something? You think someone like Pekora or Korone are just "prostitutes" because of they won't collab with dudes? So what if many of the people that watch them wants to date them too. Normies do that with many celebrities they watch. If a girl does not want to do anything with your precious holostar... Maybe fucking ask for a raise and donate $500 each stream so that he won't fucking drown. Your holodude probably doesn't even want to deal with the drama of collabing with a hologirl. Why would you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1035406
Well, they are building a relationship that makes money off mentally ill people, that actually might be worse than a prostitute now that I think about it...

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>>1034072
>But people do watch them for the entertainment. The people looking for the GFE watch the indies.
This is only partially true because it depends on the member, some of them do only focus on the entertainment aspect and don't even try to do GFE, but there are members like Rushia or maybe even Noel that clearly depend a shit ton on the GFE

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>>1035102
Could also be Cover not wanting it to happen. We know how EnMa likes to fuck things up, imagine for the JP part.

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>>1035590
Sora has always collabed with a dude. He even has a cover with Gorilla. There was never an issue there. This the same for Azki, Aki, Choco and Suisei. It's very easy to say to these streamers to just bare with the hate. We don't know what kind of relationship they have with their viewers. They do a lot of egosearch. A minor backlash for you can be major for them that they may not be able to handle. Aqua is a bad example. She's quite fragile.

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>>1035656
You are posting anonymously here calling people that is far more successful than you can ever reach worse than prostitutes. Maybe try a little introspection.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1035781
To be fair you can tell even if Sora has collab with males before she was extremely nervous when calling Roberu

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>>1029305
To late to set a precedence.
If you want to hang out with boys you need to interact with them early. If you end up with a fanbase similar to that of Rushia or Lamy shit becomes impossible.

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>>1035624
You can have a celebrity you want to fuck, but you always know that they're a celebrity and you're a normal person. The problem and difference between fuckable celebrities is that these girls specifically try to appeal to GFE. When they try to make their relationship addicting and say shit like, "I don't want you to watch other girls" is fucking downright manipulative. They are actively trying to appeal to a mentally unstable fan base by making a relationship that is inherently fake but disguise it as a real one. At the end of the day, there's always crazies in some fanbases but you step over the line when you try to appeal to those crazies and gather them.

[Anonymous No.]

Can Ame pull off a collab with them?
She's talked about the from the start but a good chunk of her fans are hardcore Goslings.

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>>1035781
She may be fragile, but that wouldn't even matter if this imaginary schizo wall wasn't built anymore. Doesn't need to be her in specific either, just needs to be the ones heavily portrayed as idols to start showing to the weirdos "Hey, we are people. We can talk to males. Fuck you". And I'm not even talking only about hololive. Idol culture is just cancer in every aspect of it.

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>>1035928
Well, those girls set that precedence, I mean you don't just end up with purity schizos you make them through how you go about streaming. The only people here to blame is the girls themselves.

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>>1036121
If she has the resolve to flip the middle finger to them, sure. But also, maybe management wouldn't let it?

[Anonymous No.]

>homobegging

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>>1036121
Nah she created her schizo fanbase too hard, too late to go back now. She could've probably handled it better if she set her own precedence but she was too scared, and her general personality and the way she interacts with chat attracted the schizos.

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>>1035928
Just imagine this. Lamy or Rushia gets between 5-10k regular viewers. Imagine if that male vtuber suddenly makes a pass on one of them, or suddenly say something negative or be overly affectionate or etc... We have a fucking board just shitting rrats out of nowhere. Imagine if they have a 1hr stream as fuel. It will never stop. Gachikoi is crazy. Just watch one of the streams where the viewers would show their rooms... They have merch plastered everywhere.

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>>1036264
Gachikoi are attracted to certain type of people and certain type of streams. Lamy and Rushia's shitty fanbase is entirely because of themselves, if they ever get into shit because of it, it's entirely their fault for attracting those fuckos and not saying fuck off.

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>>1036028
Who tf are you watching??? No hologirl has ever seriously said to never watch other girls. They constantly collab with other girls just to promote each other. They bave major collabs and concert just to do that. You are making things up.

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>>1036337
So what you are saying is that it's their fault that they have gachikois but they should just bare with the hatd regardless just to promote your dude???? Why would they even want to do that? They already have a strong community within Hololive which is basically the girls and their core fanbase. Why do they need to make an effort to collab with them and get the hate??

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>>1036183
Of course they made their choice just how Zombanbo (most of ID really), Festival and Friend made theirs.

The problem is shit like Pekora being to scared to hang out with Sugita even after her chat said it's fine. Or the oddball limbo EN is in.

[Anonymous No.]

HoloIDs are incapable of giving fucks and will collab with anyone.

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>>1036392
Might be disingenuous of me saying that they say stuff like "Don't watch other girls", instead I'm talking about the jealousy bit which is probably the reason Rushia has a rabid fanbase full of schizos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IZLrtRLcQA
"But you guys...", "You guys will go for other girls right?", "To you, I'm just a disposable girl, right", "No matter what I do", "You guys will eventually leave me for other"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IZLrtRLcQA

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>>1036264
Didn't Rushia's open Apex voice chat caused a shit show the other day? You could feel her utter terror.

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>>1036795
It's fine to talk to fans. They are fans. Matsuri and Robocco too today. Towa too. It's fine. Rushia is just a clutz.

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>>1036533
Not my point, just saying that they are partly in fault for creating their rabid fanbase and not entirely innocent. My example that im pointing too is if they ever get caught talking off-stream with a guy, or dare I say, watching other streamers, then the shit they'll get was partially made from their anuses.

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>>1033185
Matsuri still singing with Rikka. Something must have happened between her and Robel roomate since they suddenly never interact again despite having good chemistry when they collabed before

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>>1033185
If you watched a clip of Oga trying to describe each girl. You can see his stiffness trying to give compliments that are not suggestive whatsoever. It was painful.

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>>1036979
I also find it funny when the holostars are treated like voldemort. DON'T SAY THAT NAME OUT LOUD YOU DIRTY FUCKING MUGGLE

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>>1036902
>Something must have happened

She wanted more he rejected it. You know Matsuri 101.

[Anonymous No.]

If they interact with a member of the opposite sex they cease to be relatable to me.

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>>1037052
And this is why you are a loser

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>>1036979
That's because Cover sent Holostar manager to keep an eye of him since the second stream. On the first stream Oga is bolder and able to speak that he's concerned with Luna wrist

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>>1036897
Everyone is not under the illusion that these people don't talk to each other or have not spoken to a dude before. It is impossible. Some of their designers are dudes. Some management are dudes. Music directors and producers are dudes. Company sponsor rep are probably dudes. Noone is going to react badly to that. The "rabid" fans just don't want it to be rubbed hard on their faces. Heck many of their fans would probably be happy to know that they are happy behind the scenes dating a dude given how depressing their life can become streaming almost 8hrs a day like Watame or Korone.

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>>1037147
Not really what I was talking about but I'll bite, of course everyone knows they've interacted with a guy before considering they are 50% of the population. The problem is that they never tell the audience they interact with guys which means they are inherently trying to produce the illusion that they don't interact with guys. Which means if it ever comes they interact with guys even if it's by accident or acceptable in common society, it will break that illusion and cause a schizo outrage which is entirely because of their faults for creating that illusion in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's be fucking real here. None of the holostars wants to be carried by any girl or whatever. They want to be successful naturally. They do get SC and sponsorships. They are working hard. If they don't want to collab then don't force it. It's going to be fucking awkward and will most likely bring hate on both sides. Not just the girls. What I would prefer to see is more favorable conditions like a 3D debut so that they can do Solo or Group Concerts already.

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>>1029237
> girls selling out for simp bux
You say it as though that isn't the backbone of Hololive. It's their business model, retard

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>>1037316
They do tell their audience. What are you on about. Okayu just had a voice convo with a male composer for her original song. So does Aqua and all of them. They announce this. They don't hide it. They even tell stories of painful interactions they have.

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How about you guys watch the boys and donate first? I watched astel and donate to roberu frequently. Aqua is my oshi and considering how introvert she is, collabing with males is impossible. How about respecting the streamers wish on what they want to do like roberu not wanting to leech of the hologirls? There are a lot of introvert girls in holo too. Most people asking for collabs aren't even going to watch anyway. Nothing gets me more furious when people say the boys need more help when they don't even watch them and start some schizo rrat everywhere.

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>>1037457
This is just really bitches being bitches. As if the holostars aren't acting like your boyfriend.

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>>1037370
Any mentally sane person realizes that collabs don't inherently lead to popularity, them saying this shit is probably cause of management. What collabs lead to is exposure which if you are funny or interesting enough these people stay around. The whole point of being in a fucking streaming company is that you get free exposure, so you can capitalize on those new viewers by leading them in with your personality. Why do you think Gura is so more popular than the rest of her genmates when they all got the same similar amount of exposure. WELL THAT'S BECAUSE SHE WAS ABLE TO CAPITALIZE ON IT WHICH THE HOLSTARS CAN'T

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>>1037147
>Everyone is not under the illusion that these people don't talk to each other or have not spoken to a dude before. It is impossible.

You'd be surprised how many people would argue the opposite. Specially for a turbo hiki like Pekora or a barely functional human like Aqua.

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>>1037486
Im the schizo here and yes I do watch them, I was watching astel's zatsudan this morning. So, why can't I also want them to have more exposure?

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>>1037088
And that's exactly the kind of shit that should be purged. Those braindead fans can't see a male-female friendship, they automatically default to love interest.

It's pretty obvious how some members genuinely want to collab with the opposite sex members, and you can say those would be probably be some really good streams, but they can't because of this bullshit.

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>>1037573
eh, any new gen can set the precedent in that gen for male-female collabs, they just don't. You don't have schizo fans in that beginning period they usually settle in after a few weeks.

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>>1034072
>But people do watch them for the entertainment. The people looking for the GFE watch the indies.
You have an extremely narrow understanding of what GFE is and entails.
You're a retard of epic proportions if you think that there are mountains of EOPs obsessively watching clips and typing irrelevant bullshit in the chat because they are so damn ENTERTAINED by the japanese anime girl talking.

They literally call themselves idols for fucks sake. Get a clue anon

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>>1037522
Gura didn't do shit, she's a living meme. There's a reason Cover has Mori as the face of holoEN in Japan.

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>>1037686
stop nitpicking, i'm just saying she did well with the exposure she got by marketing herself with memes. she would've never been able to do that if she didn't have the exposure in the first place, which holostars need

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>>1033109
>male Vtuber sends a SC to a Female Vtuber he enjoys watching streams and have some things in common, like the games they play
>thinks he has a love interest in her by default

That should be enough to be lobotomized against its own will. People who think like that shouldn't be allowed to continue living in society.

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>>1037522
Gura didn't collab with the HoloGirls though. She capitalized on thr fact that she had a great debut and her other streams were very memorable too.

HoloStars is a separate project. The creative decisions there is still controlled by HoloStars and the vtubers themselves. Not Hololive. Cover is the parent company that provides the tech. Just like Innonaka is for Azki.

If you want exposure or whatever you're pining, they will get it with better tech like 3D and bettee L2D. They are idols. They should be able to do their concerts already. Don't force interactions. This is not the exposure you will want nor any party will want.

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>>1037612
But can they, really? We can't know for sure if they aren't being stopped by management. I wouldn't doubt EnMa doesn't let them do it.

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>>1037756
who would've guessed that when you try to attract shizo GFE lonely fucks, they default into thinking every male-female has a romantic relationship. We need to set off the Holostar nuclear bomb so we can stop Hololive from being branded as anime twitch thots before it's too late, MANDATE HOLOSTART-HOLOLIVE COLLABS NOW

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>>1037839
well then my whole argument for why the holos are fucked up GFE panderers would fall apart... but we don't know that unless we pressure the talent to tell us

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>>1037573
A lot of them have expressed not wanting to collab with a dude also. This is really a non-issue. Those who will want to collab already do and those that don't won't.

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>>1037073
Why are you mad?

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>>1037894
also would go against the image of hololive members having a lot of freedom

[Anonymous No.]

>i would like to see some homo-holo collab so i could see some faggots kill themselves because of it
And homofags wonder why many holofags hate them.

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>>1037522
I disagree on the holostars part, but the rest is spot on. I don't get why so many people see collabs in general as "leeching".

Of course there are some who happen because of that, but why tf would you default to collabs being leeching? Like, people like to play together and interact. I guess asking for a loner weirdo to understand the concept of "socializing because both parts like it" is way too much for some parts of that fanbase.

As for holostars, most of them are pretty entertaining, but the context they appeared in was way too hostile for them. Why do you think holostars is beginning to rise steadily nowadays? Because the EN part of the fanbase are not mostly corrupted by idol culture, so they actually watch them and see their qualities.

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>>1037931
I don't respect the holos who believe this. If they do truly believe this then they are pandering to mentally ill schizos who actually believe that they are their girlfriends. Which could eventually lead down the line into people calling them anime twitch thots which I don't want to happen.

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>>1037563

Good for you to watch them but you should know astel wants holostar to be its own thing like how he want the same rag members to participate in the vtuber competition. Like i said respect the streamers wishes, forcing your opinion or what you want them to do is fucking bad. Astel is doing fine anyway and is inclining hard lately. I will remind people that hologirls numbers are an outlier and should not be the standard for everyone.

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>>1037716
Gura got big because Gura is Gura. She's a prodigy at what she does, whether by accident or by skill. It is literally her second stomping everyone else in an entire subgenre of content creation whilst starting on a level playing field.

If Holostars had a Gura, exposure or not, they'd find an audience and be huge.

Holostars can get their fucking exposure with their own two hands, like Hololive did.

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>>1037852
I hate people like this. Don't fucking force the girls to interact with anyone they are not comfortable with. Fuck, many lf these girls haven't even collabed with each other yet. Shut the fuck up

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>>1037931
>and those that don't won't.
Doubt it. This is the same company that force shibuhal to put hololive girls in the all girls team on last apex tourney shuffle match. And then there's also thing that hololive manager must be present on team chat for next CR cup

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>>1038059
What.... the only reason GURA got as popular as she got is because they had the backbone of previous Holo girls who also got popular through memes. You can't become popular if nobody is giving you a chance, also her whole appeal is based on her being a girl, it just wouldn't work in Holostars.

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>>1037931
>>1037949

That makes no sense if they are a hostage of their own fanbase.
And I don't think COVER is 100% neutral on that. Although they lifted the collab ban, It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if someday we found out that they were still actively blocking or being against those collabs. But that is just personal opinion, and something we will probably never get to know.

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>>1037852
Mandatory collabs would not help in the slightest, and would probably be boring and awkward as fuck. They need to collab if they want to, not having to think if the schizos will be mad or not. That is the true goal.

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>>1038056
Yep, hololive is truly an anomaly.

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>>1038013
Based

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>>1037966
>Why do you think holostars is beginning to rise steadily nowadays? Because the EN part of the fanbase are not mostly corrupted by idol culture, so they actually watch them and see their qualities.

>Holostar growth is not due to recent exponential Hololive growth
>EOPs are watching Holostars
Ok retard

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>>1038056
There is no way for us to know if it is truly the streamer wish or the management telling them what to do or say. Cover is shady, we all know that

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>>1038056
It can be it's own thing but they also doesn't have to be treated like voldemort. Also, he's probably saying these things so people don't bug him about collabs cause managers asking them to make it easier for their main branch to say no.

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>>1038267
Astel has a base viewership of mostly 600 people who seem to understand japanese according to his zatsudan, or atleast EOPS learning japanese.

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This is really disappointing. These boys are working hard and are trying to genuinely be recognized by their own merits. They don't want to be carried by Hololive. They bave expressed this. The hololove girls have shown time and time again their discomfort interacting even amongst other girls and now you want to force collab them? for exposure? How do you think that will look like to someone like Astel? He would be disgusted. There is obviously an issue with collabing males in general but forcing them is never going to work.

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>>1036121
No and she addressed it. She mentioned wanting to collab with them early on but then her fans sperged over Astel and last time she brought up the idea of a Holostars collab she said she'd want to but thinks fans would't like it

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>>1038302
I doubt the main branch even gets to refuse it. The managers probably intercept and say no in their behalf

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>>1038439
Chat is a reflection of the streamer

I think she can pull it off, though. Just need the balls to do it

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>Also, which one do you believe in?
The one that was said by Roberu himself. If you can't respect his wishes you're not a real fan.

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>>1029305
dude remember what happened to towa?

the fanbase is full of alot of angry guys who will freak out if they even think they hear a guy

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>>1038384
Read >>1038302
Collabing does not equal to being carried.
Most of the not mentally disabled people here just want them to actually be able to collab if they want to, both parts, instead of a possibly very good stream being discarded out of fear for a bunch of losers yelling about their 2D anime girl talking with someone with a dick.

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I know there are a lot of hambeasts in the holostars fanbase (specifically RIkka and Izuru) and Roberu had a lot of Male viewers, but really, is it the male or female viewers that really push for Hololive-Holostars collabs? For what reason you're forcing this hard?
Saviorfags? Numberfags? Shipfags? "Oh I hate conservative Japan" fags?

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Astel will get more exposure collabing with Kuzuha rather than any Hologirl. Kuzuha is number 1 right now in Japan. He collabs even with small nijisanji members.

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>>1038139
>What.... the only reason GURA got as popular as she got is because they had the backbone of previous Holo girls who also got popular through memes
"Backbone of previous holos" doesn't explain mogging all your senpais and genmates in subs within a month of debut and doubling it within 3. If Gura wasn't Gura, and was an average level Hololive talent, she'd be around 4-500k tops right now, with the rest of HoloEN being around the same.
>You can't become popular if nobody is giving you a chance
Make your own damn chance for fuck's sake. Nobody owes you shit. Hololive doesn't owe Holostars shit. Are you a debut TBA vtweeter?

>also her whole appeal is based on her being a girl, it just wouldn't work in Holostars.
Someone tag me out, I'm about to perish

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>>1038384
Exposure != Carried

There's been multiple generations now with even an EN gen who should be less idol-like and be able to collab with guys more but they don't. So, when are you going to realize that this issue will never be fixed naturally, the only people in JP that collab with Holostars are 1st gen who didn't get introduced into Hololive with the idol stuff. This is now an integral part of their culture and will just get more and more fortified the more gens that happen. I do not wan't hololive to be considered an alternative to twitch thots, I don't want schizos in the fanbase that will eventually lead to extreme stress for the future generations, I don't want Holostars and Hololive to be as seperated as late 1800s white and black racists. Simple as

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Holos don't want to interact with cuckolds.

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>>1038620
Whatever is the reason. Whether or not the streamer is scared or doesn't want to the answer is still a no. Being in the same company doesn't merit a collab. Fuck. A lot of the girls haven't collabed with each other yet. Fucking privileged karens asking for collabs for their oshis.

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>>1029869
he's talking about shippers, retard.
he went off about a unicorn that wrote a Marshmallow that same streaming saying she was loosing trust in him for having the audacity to be friends with a female coworker

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>>1038439
based, i respect amefags even more than before

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>>1038384
>They bave expressed this
>has absolutely no fucking idea of how cover works internally, just like everybody else here

Also, streaming with girls from hololive does not mean being carried. If the streamer isn't charismatic, being on a collab with a famous streamer will not grant success.

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>>1038641
Let me explain buddy, you see a backbone supports your whole body but it isn't the main thing, heres your timeline.

1. Hololive gets popular through memes (miko nnnnn)
2. Hololive starts growing an EOP fanbase for some reason due to these memes (thank coco)
3. Hololive now has a big english fanbase that wants english holos
4. Hololive now announces EN fanbase which since Hololive is decently popular at this point, goes trending on twitter so normal people start checking out streams
5. With the big fanbase that comes to watch the EN streams, gura makes her A meme which gives her free advertisement, which proportionally increase her views

Gura would not be here where she is without that initial exposure
See step 1

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>>1038725
>not wanting to collab for being scared of backlash because schizos are in your fanbse
>not wanting to collab because you don't have much in common or is not interested in talking to the person
>groups both as the same thing

Take your meds, dude.

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>>1038699
>Taking what Oga said seriously
Dude always has different answer when asked about why he likes NTR

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>>1034002
>forgot Sora showed up at Roberu's 100K

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>>1038818
If your logic is correct then Anya and Iofi should have atleast 500k subs now. They should be all popping off. All girls then. But nope. It is still based on the streamer and the community that they can build around them

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You people talk as if Fubuki didn't suffer monetary lost or push back do to her interacting with the homos. She lost a large chunk of her gachikois and was underperforming for like 5 months. She eventually got new less schizo gachis and recovered, proving you can rebuild with a far more stable fanbase but you're still talking on a risk.

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>>1038384
Just gonna ignore the fact that holo ID, which is not gagging in idol bullshit, had the free pass to actively interact and form real friendship bonds with homostars?

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Until one of the boys complain about collabs, i rather believe what they said before instead of speculating. This thread is just another form of gachikois who want to force their oshis to do what they think is best for them. I rather the boys incline on their own like sora's christmas miracle, that is much more kino than anything.

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>>1038979
Yes

I'd argue that Fubuki was redpilled enough to see the bullshit that was being an idol, and even did the whole "no waifu, friends" to not fuel more schizo gachis.

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>>1038997
Yeah. And you're ignoring the fact that indogs get less supacha than JP and EN.

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Exposure gives views? Yes
Subs? Maybe
Engagement? No. Unless the streamer deserves it.

I think it is hard to call it leeching even, since I doubt a high sub + low sub would yield much. The only reason for me to wish for a girl + boy collab is to see, hear and smell all that spaghetti dropping to the floor

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>>1038979
>as if Fubuki didn't suffer monetary lost
Already debunked before, check the archive. Basically she mostly earn the same if not little more. The only bad thing that affect here is the dislike ratio

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>>1036902
ignoring that Matsuri almost caused a serious yabai on Roberu's stream (causing him to put a ban on guests being drunk on Bar Robel streams), he doesn't want to rely on the Holo girls. he's the most vocal about that they need to work hard grab the opportunities for success themselves >>1037370
>>1038609
this is something he's reiterated several times, including during with his call with Sora.
>>1037088
Oga and Shinove have yet to build their decks and play the card game like they said they were going to...

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>>1039004
>Until one of the boys complain about collabs

So, until something that is most likely impossible to happen due to contract guidelines not letting it be discussed?

I see

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>>1038928
huh???? I never said that their popularity wasn't up to the streamer???? they had alot of exposure on their debut with like 30-50k viewers if I remember they just didn't capitalize on it???

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>>1039086
By that graphic Watame is getting less view than Oga lel
>>1039052
Superchat is disabled in Indonesia

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>>1039146
>Superchat is disabled in Indonesia
They have streamlabs, and most indogs use VPN to supacha.

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>>1039110
Holy shit homos are actually more popular than Coco, the most superchatted youtuber in the word?

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>>1039052
You know they receive donations via streamlabs, don't you?

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>>1037522
I disagree slightly with you assessment. The Holostars barely got any exposure and in fact had the huge debuff of the initial ban. So it became much harder for them to build an audience. This plus the hesitance of some to most of the main Livers to even mention them which prevents them from capitalizing on the live's popularity.

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>>1039183
I used to remember Reine reading off a lot of supas that I didn't see, they do donate you just can't see them... wish we could see the NUMBERS

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>>1039110
What the fuck is that graph

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They will gain more popularity if they collab with more diverse streamers like maimoto, kuzuha, shibuya hal, qualia qu, uruha nose, tamaki, etc... There is soooo many vtubers that will gain them more exposure without the risk of gachikois or whatever.

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>>1039217
this is my speed typing at play, what i mean by them not capitalizing on it is that they didn't get exposure from the main branch which they inturn couldn't capitalize on anything. I have the same assessment as you.

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>>1039205
Here, Moona's streamlabs for this week.

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>>1039243
Reine had a totsumachi that had call ins. when Oga and Shien called the were drops in viewers. streams NEVER drops in viewers, it only ever happens when Homos are involved! just look at this, it's a continual upward trend that never drops until the SC reading https://holo.poi.cat/stream/KjJQmg-lfvU

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>>1039327
you can see streamlabs donations??

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>>1039315
Regardless, I would rather watch an Astel x Kuzuha x Gorilla collab

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>>1039217
>>1039315
Holostars got fucked from multiple sides: timing, demographic, context, company limitations...

I'm happy they are getting more recognition now, they sure deserve it

[Anonymous No.]

There's no functional difference between someone selling the GFE and Twitch thotery. One is emotional dependency the other is emotional and sexual both are susceptible to the same types of shit storms if they catch you interacting with a guy.

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>>1039243
Moona's birthday stream's viewers, I don't have anything to say about Shien but Oga came right after Pekora so that big drop is not surprising.

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>>1038620
>losers yelling about their 2D anime girl
>Calls themselves idols
You know anon, if I owned a Starbucks or some such eating establishment, I'm sure some of my prospective employees, perhaps the cashiers, would like to be able to sit down and kick their feet up at the counter while attending to customers if they want to, but I sure as hell won't let them, the customers won't like it and, if they're serious about their prospects and work ethic, they themselves might think twice about doing it regardless.

What you might eventually come to realize, anon, is that these "losers" make up a much larger percentage of Hololive's community, and, more importantly, their revenue stream, than you think.

Hololive is not a bunch of normal streamers slapping anime avatars together and having a grand old time, they are a corporation, with hired employees that offer a very specific product with very specific branding that they plaster onto their messaging, their advertising, their events, their streams, their mannerisms, the way the conduct themselves, the way they address each other and their customers, even their very way of speaking at all times.

It is this clear and obvious messaging that somehow, someway, absolute BRAINLETS like you still manage to miss, and cry "IDOL CULTURE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!" from the fucking rooftops despite the girls explicitly refering to themselves as such, release shitty mediocre idolbait music, perform pointlessly "live" "idol shows" with $60 online tickets.

I'll make it nice and clear for you anon:
This is Hololive. This is the product that is being offered. There is no wool being pulled over anyone's eyes. None of the girls were tricked into choosing this company specifically to start or further their careers. Hell, the one's that entered and built their brands before Cover took this direction in earnest still happily collab with dudes all the time, but right now, as it stands, this is it.
This is the customer base it has attracted.
This is the way the money is made.
If it wasn't, believe me, it would be obvious to all involved and management would hop to correct it toot sweet.
But it in fact is.

Pretending as though or deluding yourself into believing it is anything otherwise makes you look like an unironic, actual retard.

No offence.

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>>1039395
Since the other one disappeared, saying it was from SC reading from Reine, I'll assume he confused things.

It's not surprising though. The schizos are very much real, as a lot of anons said here. But if they just leave it be, they will end up being tied by their own fandom and lose freedom

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>>1039343
faggots mods are pro homo not suprising to be honest

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Also to be fair, i watch both boys and girls and some of the stars are just straight boring. Astel and roberu are very entertaining and their numbers show it. Rikka is good at singing but his other streams are sleep inducing and the numbers show too. I clipped and translate for the girls before but if you ask me to clip tenma and miyabi, i legit find it hard to clip any highlights. Shien and oga are fine though. May be some of them still need time to find their own niche in streaming.

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>>1039695
I misremembered it as Reine instead of Moona >>1039395 >>1039548

[Anonymous No.]

Zombambimbo is smart.

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I don't think they need any hard rules in place.
It's just implicitly understood that the girls would lose money if they collab with Holostars.
Besides, the boys don't want to leech because they're specifically trying to build a brand and not just be "male Hololive."

I don't think they ever even ask the girls for collabs. I bet the only reason Fubuki/Matsuri/ID girls have collabed with Holostars is because they personally reached out to the boys. Ame for example is a big fan of Shien and Astel and mentions them sometimes or interacts on Twitter, but has never collabed with them on stream.

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>>1039792
>Ame for example is a big fan of Shien and Astel and mentions them sometimes or interacts on Twitter, but has never collabed with them on stream.

See>>1038439

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>>1039454
Was not idol company till later generations
Did not have the GFE/ no man thing till Gen 3

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>>1039733
I hear temma is finding his way between two channels so that might be why.

If you want to watch something fun with temma than I found this collab pretty enjoyable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDt_c_DlfCk

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Idolfaggotry aside, none of them benefit unless they genuinely become good coworkers or friends or have excellent chemistry from the get-go. A bunch of girls that are generally bad at games and just say or do cute stuff won't mix well collabing with men who may or may not be better at the game than they are and don't use cuteness to their advantage. It's just naturally not a good mix. Exceptions exist, but what the fuck would Pizza Dad do if he was in a collab with goddamn Gura or a clueless Amelia? Now the exception would be if he collabed with someone like Mori who is basically a retarded guy in a girl's body or with Ina who showed up to his stream, because they're both chill.

When you take away the male+female dynamic and the whole unicorn psycho fan shit, you're still left with the problem that not everyone mixes well together and THEN on top of that you add the differences in personality plus the differences between men and women. This same shit happens between the girls in that not all of them are good with one another. One of them may seem to be good with anyone because they excel at adapting to other people, but it's rare. The headache is just not worth it.

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>>1038439
Ame fags wonder why I don't go to scuffed streams anymore. Plus they're all weirdos that try to shover her down your throat.

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>>1039919
You don't say
>Hell, the one's that entered and built their brands before Cover took this direction in earnest still happily collab with dudes all the time

[Anonymous No.]

If a company won't give you basic exposition why even be part of the company? Better off going indi.

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>>1040068
The two that retired (not kira) are doing far better off now as youtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

If a company won't give you basic exposure why even be part of that company? Better off going indi.

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>>1040160
>>1040068
> be homos
> join hololive because you think hololive is a good company with alot of exposure
> get immediately dislike bombed
> did not get a manager
> be treated like voldemort from your main branch coworkers
> just wanted to be cute male idol that play videogames but now have to deal with GFE shitheads because their idols started whoring themselves out to their community
> see your holostars bros leave and do better as indies

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>>1039998
>what the fuck would Pizza Dad do if he was in a collab with goddamn Gura or a clueless Amelia?
Dunno mate, I just want to see some unicorns to hang themselves.

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>>1040217
probably would make Hololive a better community in the future honestly... the hanging thing is overplayed but I'd rather not have a schizophrenic community that puts their stupid ideals over every single girl in a branch

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>>1040213
youre damn right anon
homochads should graduate right now

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>>1040354
go watch niji

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>>1039998
Of course the JPs wanted to collab with the ens because they just had sooooo much chemistry, no alterior motives at all. See all those 30+ talents, they all can't interact with men even though that's statically impossible

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>>1040407
go watch twitch thots

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>>1040354
Would be absolutely amazing for the community but unfortunately atrocious for the girls' bank accounts
I do think there would be a generous amount of seething

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>>1040454
anon they always collab after the 1 month ban
fuck off beggar

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>>1040523
if only our girls didn't sell out for the money oh how sad./.....

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Seriously. If it's so bothersome. Just go watch Niji. One of the new girls (Hisui) shit on unicorn fags not too long ago. Guess it was because she tries hard to get close to her seniors (least the male ones, like Maimoto).

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>>1040569
nijis are boring

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>>1040568
>our girls

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>>1035590
Aqua is autistic, don't push any of your ambitions onto her. At least choose one of the "idol-like" holos that have social skills.

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>>1040569
Stop translating things through deepl.
Nothing wrong with wanting people to do the simple but moral act of supporting your coworkers. I do it all the time you know, whenever my coworkers ask for my help even if I wanna go home I help em.

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>>1040596
All those talents and you're going to tell me you've watched every single one to call ALL of them boring? Look buddy. I like hololive but I only watch like 3 of them at best.

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>>1040541
If they always collabed with new gens after one month, we wouldn't be having this problem.

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>>1040661
>Stop translating things through deepl.
........what?

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>>1040737
New girl gen, not a male gen. Good decision by YAGOO.

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>>1040737
they do even the chinks
homos are simply unpleasant

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>>1040747
Really. It's because you type like a translator. Or atleast not fluent in english. Please use more commas.

[Anonymous No.]

The holostars are actually pretty chill but this thread reeks of HOMOBEGGAR.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1040813
This is a place I just come to shut my brain off. I couldn't give a flying fuck about proper grammar unless it's for work.

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>>1039454
If I had a coffee business, I sure wouldn't like a small group of obsessive customers come trash my places because we now sell donuts, or because we changed the grain we made their favorite coffee with. Those persons should absolutely never be catered to, no matter the amount of money they can put out. The only people who should have to listen to them is security or police. No company that respects itself or wants to be respected will take such people seriously. It's the exact same situation as with China: of course, all you have to do is not say the T-word, what's the problem? They problem is that you're threatened. No sane company wants to deal with that.

It's also always funny to see the giant cope that somehow everyone who watches hololive is 100% into idols. As if you could never enjoy the music idols put out for itself, or you couldn't have any dissenting opinion for the norm if you're into idols. This is even more the case with hololive and vtubers. Do you think anyone will that the millions of subscribers Gura, Korone and Pekora have respectively all are all hard into idols?

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>>1040213
>join hololive because you think hololive is a good company with alot of exposure
lol wut, Homos joined Hololive before they exploded in popularity.

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>>1040825
Homobeggars are not star fans. Not real ones.

[Anonymous No.]

I swear some of the superchat senders have a findom complex going on alongside the GFE thing

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>>1040596
Don't you talk shit about Joe and Ars you ape.

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>>1040825
You're only looking at the cover of what I'm saying. Them not collabing with holostars is just a symptom of a bigger problem, which is the GFE pandering. No person that lives outside these fragile walls genuinely believes that GFE is not a mental mindfuck disappointment twitch thot levels of gachikoi pandering. When the holos collab with the holostars is when we get a better community, more united, more loving, and way more wholesome. We will leave the pit of despair and can actually proudly say that our holos YES our HOLOS are ENTERTAINERS not GIRLFRIENDS.

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>>1040853
>just force the girls to collab bro
please stop acting like a retard

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>>1040887
Oh Ame's chat is full of that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember when matsuri and rushia broken down due to their fans? Some of the girls are not strong like fubuki and might not want to deal with antis, some of the girl might want money, some of them might be too introverted, some might genuinely want to be idols, some boys might want to do their own thing, some don't want to be seen as a leecher, some might not be familiar with each other. Hard to believe each of them have their own motivations and problems.

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>>1040965
No one has said anything of the kind, take your meds.

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>>1040993
schizo read your post

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>>1040972
So you're telling me that everyone after Gen 1 is either, money whore, introvert, wanting to be an idol or more specifically a japanese idol because nobody else in the world believes this shit? You really believe this shit man, you really believe that all of them are not collabing with males because they just have other things they want to do?

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>>1040812
more like the girls are simply unpleasant

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>>1041053
You're broken.

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>>1041215
make a better example retard

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>>1038439
Good, and it should stay this way.

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>>1033273
Miko and pekora have said it, specially miko

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>>1040962
>ENTERTAINERS not GIRLFRIENDS.
Matsuri just said that all her members are her Boyfirends. Nene has her husbands. Rushia is Rushia. Fubuki is the "waifriend"... and so on and so forth. Stop pushing your agendas here. Some of the girls do collab. Many don't. It's really up to them.

>>1041134
Sure. Call them whatever you want. You sure like to label everything huh.

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>>1039733
>Rikka is good at singing but his other streams are sleep inducing and the numbers show too
his Hollow Knight streams have been pretty good
>>1039998
of course you're missing that a bunch of them HAVE interacted before in previous lives... there's videos and pictures of it. hell, there are cases where some of their roommates still do interact with one another but don't as their HoloPro personas
>>1040213
>joined at a time when male-female interactions outside the company still happened
>was forbidden from any interactions between the two branches by company policy
wonder where Yagoo ranks it in his list of fuck ups

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>>1039454
Your comment reeks of someone who does not watch holo in the slightest.

First of all, your analogy is a fallacy. There are rules about how a cashier should act, and kicking your feet up at the counter is, by contract of employment, not allowed. Hololive collabing with holostars WAS forbidden, but the collab ban was lifted, therefore making it an allowed activity inside the company. So the girls collabing with the boys, by contract, not prohibited, plain and simple. If it was, Fubuki or Matsuri would have never done it.

Second, hololive is not straight up an idol agency. That was the initial plan, it was "YAGOO's dream", but it's not anymore. He even changed the motto on twitter and COVER's page. Most, if not all of these girls, constantly break walls about the idol concept. Haachama is making a horror / thriller saga based on her "two personas", Coco does Coco things, all of them swear constantly, and many more cases that, if replicated by a "true idol", like an AKB48 member, would cause a massive outbreak of schizos and ruin a career. They literally talk about that on one of the holoGra episodes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wOBwf_vsTw).).

Hololive is to the idol world what Madoka was for the anime industry. A twist on an already well established concept that everyone knew what to expect. Simply regarding hololive as a "product that is being offered" that mindlessly follows the recipes established by the idol industry just makes you seem more like a fool.

Culture change, people change, habits change. COVER felt the punch of being surrounded by idol-lover schizos when they lost Aloe. So being in the position they are, with the amount of success they got exactly because of the way they've been twisting the concept of an idol, why wouldn't they strive to change it, and continue being successful without depending on weird loners?

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>>1041378
Do you consider that a good thing because that's not a good thing.

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>>1036582
The girls decide the kind of experience they want to sell their viewers, I watch friend and know what she's about, as well as lamy and I know what she's about, if the later breaks the GFE fantasy I would just change my mindset with her, but the craziest nips would go nuts. When they join certain agencies they know what they are up to, even ollie made it clear she's nothing romantic related to that one male, I bet my ass the girls enjoy this shit of fantasy GFE and banther too, otherwise they would apply for nijisanji.

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The problem isn't that some girls go full GFE, if that's what they want it's their own prerogative. The problem is that after gen 3 all following gens don't seem to have the same amount of control over the initial direction of their channels and by the time they do its to late to course correct.

I just want EN and all new JP gens to be afforded the same freedoms gen 0-2 and ID have.

https://youtu.be/FfihFImbH7I

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>>1041534
But GFE is just not healthy to people... The end goal of GFE is to donate all your savings and time to people, that is what benefits your oshi the most whether you deny it or not. You can say your oshi helped you but you leaving your oshi to make yourself a better person doesn't benefit her at all, it's mostly in your power to make yourself a better person anyways. That's why I don't like the direction Hololive is going in and why I ask for more HOMO collabs, so we can get rid of this parasocial nonsense and these schizophrenic fans

[Anonymous No.]

can't wait for the next graduation

[Anonymous No.]

>>1040972
Some might be more fragile, yeah, but that wouldn't be a problem if the whole gachikoi pandering didn't exist in the first place. If Holo ID, for example, was also infested with the hardcore idol fans, they probably wouldn't be that close to holostars either.

The problem is exactly the fact that some girls want to do these collabs, but they can't, because of the weird fans, like Amelia with the whole Astel thing. If they don't want to collab because they don't feel like it, then that's their own choice, and it's completely fine.

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>>1041624
>so we can get rid of this parasocial nonsense and these schizophrenic fans
YAGOO still want those sweet donations, til then, homobeggars get the rope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041534
>When they join certain agencies they know what they are up to
ENTER

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041507
>continue being successful without depending on weird loners?
You talk a long tale and yet you fail to see that all of those efforts were made the vtubers themselves. It was their initiative. Cover only really went along with it. So again. If the vtubers doesn't want to then they won't. Whatever is the reason. It's not hurting them. And your case about loners and whatever. Dude. You are here in 4chan spreading your word as if it's the gospel. Stop focusing on these shits and better choices. Lol. Most of us just want to have a laugh and look at a cute chick. Have you even watched a member stream before??? That will fucking change your mind about GFE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041696
not anon but can someone ban this guy, his arguments are just shit man. somebody get this man's hand off his keyboard

> hurr durr change your mind while watching members stream
> laughing and looking at a cute chick doesn't exclude the occasional homo collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>1040886
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041624
autist

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041798
no arguments just insults

[Anonymous No.]

I've always said Rushia lives on top of a landmine. Is that why her roommate is so unstable? Or is it her shit health?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041624
>more HOMO collabs, so we can get rid of this parasocial nonsense and these schizophrenic fans
What are you even watching. Most zatsudans is about sharing their lives and trying to involve their fans in them. The ones that gets the most SC are the ones that reads almost all big SCs and remembers the regulars. Member streams are more personal even. They entertain and all provide GFE in varying levels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041624
GFE sucks, but unfortunately shut-in retards got their momma's money to feed the company

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041836
GFE is gonna mess up their future generations badly, can't wait for the final YAB

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041826
there's no point autistchama

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041687
Funny, she went from one of the most clueless and stubborn holos to one of the few golden gooses for management.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041862
>shut-in retards
It's the other way around. Most unicorns are working adults, and homobeggars are the shut-in retards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041879
holy shit imagine a holo having her model shaved after getting found of having a boyfriend....

BALD RUSHIA LETS FUCKING GOOO

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041836
Shit health, she literally has the physical strength of a puppy and the vigor of an old mutt. You'll notice how very little she exerts herself in the concerts because of her shit health.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1038066
Nah, fuck off with that horse shit. They should have 100% been forced to collab in group collaborations a million years ago if it weren't for the unicorns. You don't just get to ignore co workers because "awwaa scary m-men!" (or woman in astel's case but his been improving). That's not how it works in real life, you don't enable retarded behavior like that. The only reason they shouldn't be collabing is because the majority of the fanbase are mentally ill spergs. I don't even really want to see these collabs but retard fuckers like you promoting coddling grown woman when the rest of us have to do shit we don't want to in the work place piss me off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041624
All of hololive, even waifriend, profit on the GFE to different extents, its a hard to swallow pill that you need to eat alread, forcing them to collab will damage everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT SEETHING HOMOBEGGARS

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042000
And? It's going to fuck up the future generations of hololive so why not cut it off before it poisons the rest of the body?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041975
Seethe, cope, dilate.
Unicorn here, you will NEVER get rid of us, and your oshi is scared of us, suck dick faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042005
>collabed with literal whos
>won't collab with the homos
I love suityan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042031
homobeggars won't donate to the girls, there's no merit pandering to you and them :^)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042041
Go shove your unicorn horn up your asshole

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>>1041696
I'm membered to a handful of holos and I generally avoid the streams you speak of. I support them because I enjoy their personalities or their content. There's really nothing complicated about it. I'm not interested in having someone to gush over, not even in real life. They're someone on the other side of the screen who I have no personal connection to. It is a transaction, they are not bound to me and I am not bound to them; if I wanted that, I have real life. I do it because it pleases me, because the content they give me pleases me, and I want them to continue doing it. This is the case even with things like ASMR. To me it's simply a soft form of prostitution or VAing in a porn anime. You don't fall in love with your prostitutes, no matter how much you like them.

[Anonymous No.]

Homos are inclining without collab with the girls.
Homobeggars: fuck the girls, they are whore etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042031
>and?
Honestly, they won't, go watch nijisanji if you hate it that much, they made their bussiness model and profit hugely of it, why do you think nijis aren't dominating in SC anon? Gachikois and lonely salary man are big money. Who do you think puts all their merch in their room? You need to face reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042041
I'm curious to know how many parts of your brain are dead

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042086
harder anon!

[Anonymous No.]

I mainly watch the homos nowadays but damn the beggars in this thread sure is loud. Just let them do their own thing, let them build their own fanbase, they've been inclining really hard lately. Just shut the fuck up and enjoy the stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042041
>Unicorn here
Post your supachat history, membership history and personal shrine of your oshi. Otherwise you're just larping faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042105
You can cry all you want anon, it won't change the fact you can't do shit, maybe in leddit you can get upvoots for saying its the horrible idol culture!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042150
Nah, faggots here will use her to shitpost if I they know my oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042093
Of course, they are probably a big part of the market, but GFE is going to ruin them one day and anybody with a brain knows that pandering to mentally ill people will not go pretty. You can't grasp the global market with hard GFE because people will start calling out that you're just shameless twitch thots 2.0 and there goes all your good rep when your fans are no overbearing and mentally unstable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041687
Oh she's going to get her fucking collabs anon just you wait. She's just building up her leverage and if some deathbets schizout you just know she has a diss track ready.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1033047
that would fall on the "selling out for simp bux" category

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042137
Who says I can't watch streams and shitpost at the same time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042194
>but GFE is going to ruin them one day
rumao, AKB48 and Love Live! are still thriving.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042236
The difference between them is that streamers stream alot or have to be in act way more than idols. It's much harder to have a private life as a streamer than an idol because there's way more chances for you to slip on stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042192
>unicorn not enduring hate and not spreading love for his oshi
Yeah, I think we are done here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042262
>It's much harder to have a private life as a streamer than an idol
Most of their roommate's infos is known to the public. You do the same thing with AKB's idol, she'll shave her head or quit the company all together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042194
>people will start calling out that you're just shameless twitch thots 2.0
and? Anon, in case you dont know, ALL people who dislikes vtubers do that since a long ago, if thats your point there is no reason to stop pandering to the GFE fantasy, a lot of people who isnt a schyzo enjoys it too either way.

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>>1042005

Astelfag and real homofags don't complained about collabs, how about you other homofags stop complaining about collabs and start doing constructive things like clipping and promoting in other vtuber communities. I did my job of spreading astel utawaku clips around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042270
>homobeggar is anti
yes we are

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042294
you're really so demented that you want your oshi to shave her head because she has a boyfriend?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042194
About that...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042315
I would but then I realized I don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042336
anon fubuki and aki are married
where is the shave?

[Anonymous No.]

>Oh no! The girls are forced to not collab with Holostars by their fans. Maybe we need pressure Cover to force them to collab
Maybe both sides are just as bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>1040853
>No sane company wants to deal with that.
>NBA

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042046
>Implying she has time for such thing between tickling Toko's ass, making music, commissioning shota doujins, Tetris, hiding the body and watching Mori do Mori things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042336
You can't read huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042360
>fubuki

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>>1037965
You don't see the full picture. Everyone outside the chubba bubble hates vtuber fans, they especially hate holo fans. Wanting to see spergs have a melt down over a-A MAN!? is a natural extension of that. The salt from Moona's birthday was great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042351
she's right

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042351
People can hate her all they want but she's not wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042556
cope jp niji aint pushovers retarded hanafag

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042552
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042556
>>1042578
just because she's a literal egirl doesn't mean the rest are

[Anonymous No.]

>>1029237
Because they're all crippling autists who need a virtual avatar to hide behind and need people to hold their hand for the most basic of social interactions.

If they're interested at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042681
By the definition anyone that does GFE falls under e-girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042776
she claims to be an e girl but doesnt do GFE
explain that hanatard

[Anonymous No.]

>>1042815
>but doesnt do GFE
The fuck you taking about she does GFE all the fucking time she even calls herself everyone's girlfriend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1040213
> see your holostars bros leave and do better as indies
I haven't heard much about the homo roommates, which ones are indie now?

[Anonymous No.]

do the people who beg for collabs even watch the HoloStars? It's amazing how ignorant many of them are.

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>>1043872
- Kaoru's roommate was always a TRPG guy but doubled down hard on GM'ing for others sessions and writing his own scenarios. he's been at the top of Playboard for the day since, taking in over a milliion yen in SC
- Suzaku's roommate had "struck by lightning" levels of success with Among Us, going from a channel that had been around the same number of subs for over a year to multiplying it by five in just a few months. he makes between Aruran and Roberu levels in SC
- Kira... he played Among Us with a bunch of other roommates a few times in the month since he graduated

[Anonymous No.]

>>1034707
That pretty much is the case though

[Anonymous No.]

>>1029237
simple.
>Nobody in Japan likes Astel, so the HoloJPs ignore dudes like him.
>Rikka gets collabs in general because he just calls in connections he has from his roommate(since he's been an NND utaite for over a decade)
>Roberu rejects most collab offers he gets(Fubuki complained about this on twitter)
>Shien and Izuru are nerds that don't want to reach out to people(Moona had to flat out call Shien herself just to get him into her totsumachi)
>Miyabi and Temma are off in their own world just hanging out with each other
>Aruran goes with the flow and just accepts collabs with whoever approaches him, if a girl doesn't approach him it's not really relevant
>Oga just collabs with Fubuki and gets away with it easily

[Anonymous No.]

The last option is the only one thruth

[Anonymous No.]

>>1038081
This is the big thing for me cause we get told by them it's purely a talent wanting to do it thing but then we have these two things happening in apex tournies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1038609
>people in comment refer it as IM@S and Jupiters
Such fitting analogy, But Holo is more of Lovelive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1044349
Either new people or posers. This main branch not wanting to collab with the stars timeloop is so fucking old.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1046313
I am scared of the .0000000000000001% chance of there ever being a male spinoff of Love Live....

[Anonymous No.]

>>1033109
It wasn't from Amelia's side. It was literally Astel's biggest superchatters that were upset.
Why else do you think Astel had to reprimand his fans when Amelia didn't have to do anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041624
You sound like that drama vtuber faggot
https://twitter.com/WooHooLad/status/1349482315815108608

[Anonymous No.]

>>1033457
Not him, but here's the proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3491&v=k8QM0GXYuDQ&feature=youtu.be
>I want to ask a question about Holostars. You haven't collabed with them at all, Roberu would have good synergy with you, he's good at talking.
>Holostars are idols aren't they? Female fans watch them and consider them as male idols. If I were to interact, I would be intruding on them. I wouldn't want to do that, but I will cheer for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1040971
Ame started it to be honest with the pent-up SC and walking bank comments. Her chat is just playing along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1048662
dam, I guess Roberu just doesn't collab with females huh....

[Anonymous No.]

>>1049053
Subaru's male/female separation autism is in regards to idols specifically. It's why her collabs with Maimoto (which always have Ui-mama involved anyway) aren't off limits since he's not an idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>1047450
Idk if it's even possible, LL is so girly I can't see a male version of it working unless Sunrise decides to be fucking insane and make it a Gundam parody thing but at that point you've just got Macross with a male star

[Anonymous No.]

>>1049141
this is irrelevant to the discussion, but what's with the idol not an idol switch shit, make up your mind people

[Anonymous No.]

>>1049248
Can you take a hint? She doesn't want to collab with the homos and declined it, period.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1044452
>Nobody in Japan likes Astel, so the HoloJPs ignore dudes like him.
Whats the reason for this narrative?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1049248
how old are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1049630
Yesterday during a zatsudan he was looking at his like/dislike ratio by region and most of the dislikes were from Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1049630
having 90% overseas viewers with the 10% Japanese viewers also making up the people that leave dislikes on his streams....

[Anonymous No.]

Reading through the archives it seems its the 2-3 same anon who is posting this across /jp/ and now /vt/.

And as of recent times they are moralfagging about coworkers that should help the struggling(which they are not in scale of the industry, just in contrast w/ the brand they are in, which they will also bring up Kuzuha from niji which is just a dumb comparison) despite being different branches in the first place that seems to be disregarded in a chronic case of new faggotry that assumes Holostars is under Hololive rather than HoloPro(tentative).
Which I want to add on that they sometimes break their facade of "for the betterment of holo as a whole by getting rid of idolfaggotry/virtue signalling about parasocialism" when they have implied that they have no qualms if the girl's livelihood and brand suffer for it if it meant giving the stars alone the benefit of a boost despite it being proven to be miniscule at most since the general fanbase of the main branch is the ones you faggots call idol unicorns and EOP saviorfags would rather save Uto than the stars while paying you lip service about the stars situation on leddit, which shows on why the stars rather collab with outside vtubers than the main branch shows that its not worth it and have better returns elsewhere.

I always supported Fubuki's vision of a strong united HoloPro but there is just no certainty it'd work if they fully commit without any buildup like you beggars want with all the risk and with how fickle the EOP viewer loyalty are, unless you can confidently say that the stars can retain the "boost" with their own content? Don't give me the bullshit about their low exposure when everyone in the fandom seems to know of the Stars "predicament" which also means they know about the stars yet I keep not seeing it reflected on their usual viewership.

I always give the stars a try and support them out of the same respect for the vision of a stronger HoloPro, like the star's group songs and I enjoy some of them like Oga's weird as hell asmr/commentary, Rikka/Astel I only like some of the songs they sing but most of them don't click with me. So ask yourselves why you seem to like contradicting yourselves by chasing away the "unicorns" who are giving the stars a chance by homobegging like that? Already Fubuki, Matsuri and even Sora already attempted the things you want, including some of the ID and EN girls. Is that not enough? They not big enough for you? Just what is it y'all want then when its proven the returns are minimal from it if the stars do not capitalize on it/the general fanbase of Hololive is just not suitable for the Holostars needs thus rationale they expand outwards. Y'all call the unicorns mentally ill but when winning son himself said the stars will and want to grow with their own efforts y'all just spit on it and continue with this convincing level of falsefaggotry I'd have thought you hated the stars to keep propagating the timeloop like this you are actually delusional or schizophrenic.

Because at this rate if you say the stars that graduated are better off than the remaining stars because of "collab ban" "idolfaggotry" then you do know that you are unironically suggesting we graduate the stars right now because it seems like the most straightforward win-win solution as of now to both parties.

Stop it, and start discussing, creating fanmedia, even low quality doodle memes that the stars will love and retweet and show us all the fun and interesting stuff you see in the stars in your own thread instead of whining everywhere. If people see a vibing comfy campfire they'd be curious and want to join in, but all I see are hobos around a dumpsterfire railing in misery against the unfairness of society.

If you are none of the above and just want to watch male/female collab for normie shticks or to generate shipping fantasies then by all means Niji is two blocks down and some really good indies just around the corner, they need some love too and if you can give them good enough numbers maybe Cover might think about it, but nothing will change because in the end Holo is doing very well with this niche play as of now in the industry without having to duke Ichikara for it.

Sorry for the rant, came to the board to see reactions for the streams I enjoyed and all I saw was bickering beggars and shitposters schizos plus tribalists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1052482
Also on the topic of collabs, it seems Yagoo is hinting at an actual HoloProFes or maybe an add on paid event for the yearly HoloFes for all branches this year. What do you think are some crossover events that can help break this ice and slowly integrate the fanbase acceptance levels, leading up to the big fes, even for a while without them being triggered to hell. Group event with clear boundaries Boy V Girl style. Fastest minecraft building of the cover office? Mariokart? Hell I'd even watch apex but that'd just be unfair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1052482
good points, I personally love all the stars and do what I can individually atm but understand that it could be more. The official compilation creator they're looking for to create content around the stars should help support that need of media and discussion around them. Also proves that the effort is there and Cover is not ignoring them how some just like to believe.

The reference to Roberu about them growing on their own merits is definitely showing itself now, they're growing faster than ever and aren't struggling for any support. All of them (save Temma and Miyabi who might be around 70-80) are gonna hit 100k by the middle of the year. They don't need some massive boost and are doing fine building their own communities first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1039108
>Matsuri almost caused a serious yabai on Roberu's stream (causing him to put a ban on guests being drunk on Bar Robel streams)
Shit, what was the yab?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1052862
Hell yeah, I mean, Yagoo is definitely closer to the stars than the girls from his interactions on twitter. Perhaps he just don't know how to help them with the limited budget he can allocate for the stars until someone around him came to suggest that if clips brought the girls fame, it'd do the stars the same even if they had to pay out of their pockets rather than relying on their small fanbase.

The thing is Anon, a rising tide lifts all boat, as a group Holostars now be able to collab and ping around their fanbase more effectively after bringing them in like the girls are doing too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1037041
she choose the weong target. Despite the harem jokes Roberu is the most bussiness like Holostar, this dude stop collabing with Kuku just because her Mother shipped them together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1053364
she couldn't control herself drunk and started saying things that could have caused serious trouble for him. among other things she suggested he be her big brother and said that she wanted a bit brother who'd bathe with her and sleep with her.
as much as a degenerate Roberu can be, he's pretty business minded and actively avoids straying into areas that could cause him or the Holostars problems. Matsuri's comments were pretty unprofessional as an idol and risked riling up Hololive unicorns who had stopped harassing them by that point aside from the couple people dedicated to disliking streams and occasionally leaving rude comments on twitter. as a result, he made a rule that guests on Bar Robel streams weren't allowed to drink before the stream anymore which... you know, it's a bar stream...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055430
>>1057631
He's really trying hard as fuck to avoid a irl nightmare scenario about fans hating male idols like he saw with love live stuff isn't he?

Real sad about the Kuku thing they have good synergy. I saw it more like a bros thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1048353
it's hard to say it was his biggest superchatters when it was an anonymous Marshmallow
>>1052737
we know from Matsuri that the idea Fubuki and her had of a HoloPro tournament was shot down so that's certainly not it. the closest I can see the two together is an event for Cover's 5th anniversary with a hard separate between segments for the different groups but I doubt they'd do even that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1057900
I take back half what I said, they will have mario kart collab tomorrow. Still waiting for another 1on1 RobeKuku collab tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwT9D49PLDw

[Anonymous No.]

>>1057951
Holocomi had a Holostars segment so it's probably something similar to that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1052482
If Fubuki wanted a strong united HoloPro she should have collabed with them professionally instead of trying to flirt with her boytoys on stream. Moderate idolfags who wouldn't be against collabs with Stars in principle look at FOXDEMON NTR bait and nope the fuck out. Matsuri and FBK did more damage than good to homos in the long run.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1057631
>made a rule that guests on Bar Robel streams weren't allowed to drink
He even stopped Ruri doing Onee-san voice in his totsumachi because he realized that she's drunk. Come on son, she's Ruri the one that even other chuuba thought that she's dating Kosaka. No one will get mad