Anyone else feel like HoloEN has become a poorly managed cash grab on smoöthbrains?

[Anonymous No.]

Hear me out here. Holo used to be good around 2020-21, back when everyone was actively streaming, forming friendships, and coming up with creative ideas. But when I look at current Holo, I see none of that. Instead, I see:
>A near-total focus on concerts, events & merch, to the utter detriment of streaming
>Talents too burnt out to stream
>Most talents who do stream do so in near-complete isolation, focusing on their little insular community
>EN is barely able to organize anything, must rely on ID because they can never get more than 3-4 people across their 3 gens (despite the girls being incredibly wealthy and having free schedules 80% of the year)
>Streamers milking the same games for years due to burnout & perms fuckery
>Many talents showing obvious hints of dissatisfaction with their job, venting on stream, twitter, PL
>Merch and concerts still have unimpressive production values
>Merch is grossly overpriced
I don't fully blame the girls because it seems like Cover has done no effort to make their jobs easier or foster their talent as streamers. But it really does feel like a ton of them have given up on Hololive being something "fun". Now you get merch and concerts.

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[Anonymous No.]

Hololive Turkish is needed to counteract this

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168217
dance for me little nijisanji redditor

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
>>76168389
NIJISEETHE

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168217
>>76168250
>>76168307
>>76168389
>>76168509
/vt/ has become the most retarded board on this entire site and you guys had some serious competition

[Anonymous No.]

They hated him because he spoke the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168250
>>76168307
>>76168509

you fucking retards really saw a nigga giving honest criticism and immediately called him a sister, the only reason hololive is capable of doing all of this lazy shit is because of you fucking idiots defending them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168629
kek

[Anonymous No.]

It's not just holoEN too there's the same sort of feel to me in a lot of the earlier holoJP gens

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>>76168652
nothing about that comment was honest, fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168652
brown feet can't afford merch, he doesn't even have enough cash to buy the gura watch

[sage No.]

>>76168102

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168652
There's no honest criticism /here/, sister. You don't need to lie.

[Anonymous No.]

this board has turned into /qa/ with vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168629
ouch that one hurt

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
>I don't fully blame the girls because it seems like Cover has done no effort to make their jobs easier or foster their talent as streamers. But it really does feel like a ton of them have given up on Hololive being something "fun". Now you get merch and concerts.
ah, yes, holofans getting merch and concerts is a bad thing now
clearly the anons dunking on you in the comments are the ones in the wrong
and the fact that they rejected your attempt at an essay (an attempt...lol) only proves that the board as a whole is too retarded to accept correction from external nijisanji evangelists

[Anonymous No.]

>Half of the branch just giving up on their jobs is a good thing cause niji bad or whatever

[Anonymous No.]

>>76169206
I refuse to believe you people are real.
What real fan wants to just buy merch and watch 2 concerts a year?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168652
Outside of merch being overpriced, it's not criticism, it's just him bitching about things he personally doesn't like.

>Many talents showing obvious hints of dissatisfaction with their job, venting on stream, twitter, PL
We need examples for this besides just Kiara complaining about shit some of which could have been something(which apparently got resolved)and other shit is just her bitching.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168324
>Hololive Turkish is needed to counteract this
we gotchoo senpai

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168652
>honest criticism
lol
>hololive is capable of doing all of this lazy shit is because of you fucking idiots defending them
seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
>>76168389
>>76168629
>>76168636
>>76168652
>>76169144
>>76169276
>>76169331

My HoloEN Oshi streams, do karaoke, covers, release schedules with 7 hours streams
Went to jp just to record a 3Dlive for us, paying out of her own pocket
And on top of all that i get concerts
Dno who you are watching and honestly i don't give a shit
Maybe if your Oshi wasn't ghosting your nigger ass you wouldn't be crying on a basket weaving forum, assuming picrel got nothing to do with your meltdown lol
>>76169341
Kronii did, it was about the EN twitter account being faggots and people called them out on it, she then thanks her fans for standing up for her

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
>Faggot says PL
>Wonder why his shit gets laughed out and he gets called a sister
Not very bright lmfao

[Anonymous No.]

>>76169331
>noooo you need to spam more 12 hour fotm streams and fake events like nijisanji!!! you can't just focus on the high effort content that everyone loves!!
Sisters glow in the dark.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
>PL

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>>76169649
Not just that but if you don't count 2 members the other streams regularly just fine

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>>76169551
>it was about the EN twitter account being faggots and people called them out on it, she then thanks her fans for standing up for her
no wonder sis are mad lmfao
any of their failures would get obliterated to for taking a shot at management
meanwhile hologirls can take fat shit on their heads and they can't do anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
>Merch and concerts still have unimpressive production values
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[Anonymous No.]

Fucking who do we deflect honest criticisms to when TOTAL NIJINIGGER DEATH is finally achieved?. Vshoujo? Phase? Iold?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76169341
>We need examples
You do?
>Bae breaking down on stream and crying from stress
>Kronii and Ina hating their models
>Kronii having multiple breakdowns and repeatedly venting on PL
>IRyS getting fucked over with her music every month
>Ame on a self-admitted, multi-year-long burnout
>Vesper and Magni venting on PL, Vesper suspension, double graduation without a stream
>Omega existing and everyone hating them
>Multiple girls killing their voice from overwork
>ALL the girls venting about the stress of constantly having to travel to Japan
>ALL the girls venting about the perms system
>ALL the girls venting about management being unresponsive, obtuse, out-of-touch and spread too thin
>Gura's everything
That's without considering all the girls hardly streaming, putting in minimal effort, having given up on projects, asking for better permissions, asking anything from management, doing anything but showing up for mandatory events, a couple streams a week, and shilling the next piece of whatever chinese plastic they'll sell for $200 + shipping.

[Anonymous No.]

Everything went to shit when the COVID lockdowns ended. The reasons are many and complex. You can guess most of them.

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>>76170044
>mentioning the homos
Your mask is slipping sister, KYS.

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>>76170048
Sounds like a skill issue DESU

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>>76168102
Cover is a running an idol company and if you want to be optimistic about the idol industry never read stories from actual idols on how it operates. HoloEN definitely had contract issues with management in 2022 which only got worse after Sana's "graduation". The EN talents were demoralized, they did fewer group projects, and they started having long radio silent "health" breaks that went on for months. Whatever happened in the EN branch was bad enough that Yagoo decided to replace the EN project manager. They did start putting on small group projects in 2023 so things were getting slowly worked out there is more going on with Kronii than a delayed outfit tweet.

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>>76170044
>IRyS getting fucked over with her music every month
How is she getting fucked over with her music currently?
>ALL the girls venting about the perms system
That's literally all JP corpos..(either that or get their content nuked by nintendo)
>ALL the girls venting about management
idk man, pretty much all the talents I watch have said they like and get along with their managers.
>Gura's everything
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170354
What do you gain by making posts like this? 90% of the time no one is replying

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>>76168102
HoloEN in general seems to be focused with their own personal growth (or are fine with just coasting).
I doubt managers would be against ideas that would bolster Hololive's standing in the EN community and/or expand the company's reach. So I'd wager a guess it's the talents themselves that are uninterested.

EN has never attempted to host a collab that involves EN+JP+ID. ID exists for EN to fill numbers whenever they need.
The last EN+JP+ID type of collab that EN had a hand in organizing was a Gartic Phone collab, where JP members - despite their lackluster English, had to hold ENs hand and guide them in a collab where EN members (specifically fucking Bae since she's decent in both languages and it's partly her idea) should've at least recognized the issue with language and tried to step up.

When Idol Showdown was at its peak, Mori expressed on Twitter (iirc) that she was thinking of creating a Idol Showdown competition. Sajam replied saying that he could help cast. SAJAM. That went fucking nowhere. It's unlikely that Idol Showdown would have issues with perms since it's a game that celebrates Hololive.

In conclusion, HololiveEN exists as filler episodes while we wait for JP to come up with something interesting. Partly the talents are themselves to blame. But people will watch them anyway. And that's how they can afford to coast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168652
>honest criticism
>Merch and concerts still have unimpressive production values
yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170044
>Gura's everything
oh so youre just seething that people love Gura got it

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>>76170451
Contract issues my beloved, glad to see you're still around

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
are they all seriously earning 13k a month from merch sales? no wonder no one wants to stream.

[Anonymous No.]

It feels like a cheap cash grab BECAUSE they're successful, anon
Some of the girls may care about their fanbase as a whole but the personal aspect is largely gone. They HAVE to be advertiser friendly, they have to be copyright friendly, they can't even express the sentiment that there's a time and a place for boob jokes without being dogpiled by retards and capitulating. If you feel like they're just there to push merch you'd be better off looking for a nice comfy indie.

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>>76170451
Cover's running a streaming company pretending to be an idol company and their managament practices of swamping their talents with work makes the whole thing worse for the talents and the viewers
Nobody cares about 90% of the shitty cover songs they make

[Anonymous No.]

>>76169341
And as we learned the worst Kiara meltdown didn't even have anything to do with cover, it was because of a stalker turning up in front of her house.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
>Hear me out here. Holo used to be good around 2020-21
not it wasn't, or rather it was good because it was new. myth barely had any chemistry and all of their debuts were cringe worthy to the point that the girls themselves can barely watch them again without feeling physical pain

its a little better now with advent (since they actually go along with each other fine), but the medium itself has stagnated - we're in a loop of: fotm games, anniversary stream, minecraft shenanigans. rinse and repeat.
also what >>76169953 said, though I must say that the omocat stuff was pretty cool but nothing has impressed me so far

also2 what >>76170545 said too

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>>76170652
You do know they aren't forced to release covers right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
This is not a problem with the JP branch, so either the problem lies with EN management or western culture.

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>>76170567
Look at this and tell me the quality is more impressive than a $50 marketplace asset pack.

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>>76170545
>HololiveEN exists as filler episodes while we wait for JP to come up with something interesting
what kind of retarded take is this
English speakers watch EN, Japanese speakers watch JP

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>>76168102
Honestly, they are just giving fans what they have been wanting. They are more living mascots at this point, There's not much risk of having the streamer give opinions that piss some part of the fanbase off. I guess it's more of an interactive Love Live thing more than anything else now. So I think you're kinda stuck with smaller corpos if you miss that kinda thing, although it might be impossible to get the same feeling back that you had a few years ago.

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>>76170652
>>76170645
The disheartening thing for anyone more interested in streams than the extraneous stuff is this IS working great for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170724
They're forced to do a lot of work to record performances for lots of stuff nobody cares about, covers are just one thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170661
proof next thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170798
Nobody is gonna buy the merch if there's no streams
Cover will never be Disney

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170798
and I really doubt most people on this board are invested in Hololive for the non-streaming content. It's a nice bonus, but getitng to know the girls through their streams is what hooks people and keeps them invested.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170908
>>76170958
>Nobody is gonna buy the merch if there's no streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170545
>SAJAM. That went fucking nowhere.
Yeah, but that was easy to see. It's the fate of most collab plans within EN, as the majority of the talents are barely able to hold their personal plans together and management is busy doing whateverthefuck they imagine is helpful. EN is where ideas go to die.
Either EN got no resources, or their previous stint with a project manager went so poorly that the entire branch still got PTSD. It wouldn't surprise me if Cover refuses to spend money on EN projects either way, seeing how they're an ocean away and how office politics work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170044
>Bae breaking down on stream and crying from stress
Because of her underestimating how much work it is to move from one country to another.
>Kronii and Ina hating their models
rrats
>Kronii having multiple breakdowns and repeatedly venting on PL
most of those were normal women moments
>IRyS getting fucked over with her music every month
she just makes the same song over and over, she either signed a very weird contract, or is into it.
>Ame on a self-admitted, multi-year-long burnout
where?
>who and who talking about what
>Omega existing and everyone hating them
well they don't exist anymore, do they?
>Multiple girls killing their voice from overwork
this happens even to top 1% singers, and as Suisei told us, they aren't forced to make weird voices, they just choose to.
>ALL the girls venting about the stress of constantly having to travel to japan
The studio is in japan.
>ALL the girls venting about the perms system
It's shit, but they work for a japanese corpo by choice
>ALL the girls venting about management being unresponsive, obtuse, out-of-touch and spread too thin
Pulled out of your ass
>Gura's everything
We got enough hints by now that something is seriously wrong with Gura
>white text about being a poorfag
don't be a poorfag, poorfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170837
It's why she had to move from the apartment she loved into the shitty one she had before the house she bought now.
Maybe it was a member stream, but she literally told the story herself not too long ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168629
Nah not even close, I ventured into /v/ for the first time in years a few days ago and can safely confirm that they're the most retarded and mentally ill board by far. It's like you're not even talking to humans there.

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>>76170545
I mean the last point you make is stupid, but the rest of this post is pretty spot on. I think EN management is largely to blame for the current state of the branch rather than the girls becoming lazy on their own.

All of the girls have had tons of collab ideas, and ideas for big events that got shut down immediately by management or fell apart because management dropped the ball at some point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168652
>honest criticism
nc try sister, post literally full of bullshit and called it criticism

[Anonymous No.]

surely the next EN gen will fix everything, lets just dump more money in there

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171022
EN's unwillingness to organize or simply DO anything is the most infuriating thing about the branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
Everyone who has watched Hololive for years can somewhat agree with you. However, newer viewers might not agree, as they never experienced the early days.

I started watching Hololive in early 2019, and I remember I hated Myth before they even debuted because I was worried that Western VTubers would ruin Hololive. However, I changed my mind quite quickly after their debut, as the way they interacted with each other and streamed was just like HoloJP.

I miss the time when everyone streamed 4-5 times a week and collaborated with each other more often. Back then, the girls will just casually call each other on stream and would chat and play together. The Minecraft Hardcore streams really reminded me of the good old days...

I still feel the same when I watch JP, but I do think EN is slowly losing that 'Hololive magic.'

Call me a sister or whatever you want, but I believe some people feel the same way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171387
>>76171320
>surely the next EN gen will fix everything, lets just dump more money in there
Atleast they spend something on their new gens kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171387
didn't mean to reply to you with the new gen spending mb

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171387
I'm still amazed that Kiara managed to get so many of the EN girls for her easter stream.
But I guess it's a bit shit that they are on 3 continents now.
Bae, IRyS, Fuwamoco and Mori in Asia/Japan
Kiara in Europe
and the other all over NA

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171387
Would you, after three years worth of having "management" not doing their jobs?
Admittedly, getting shit done does involve a certain degree of chasing people down. But eventually everyone goes "fuck this" and focuses on themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170908
you underestimate how lonely japenis is and how much they want to rape loli gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168652
This board is basically just the Hololive subreddit but you can post slurs. There's no valid criticism of Hololive to be had here. Either you're "Team Hololive" or you're "Team Nijisanji" with no nuance or argument allowed. Any criticism of Holo is an attack from Niji, and any criticism of Niji is an attack from Holo. This is the /vt/ experience in tyool 2024.
That said, I hate both companies with a passion. Seeing /vt/ become a console war between two corpos I couldn't care less about is nice as it means no attacks are directed at my oshi or her corpo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171021
PREACH SISTER

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171432
go back /jp/fag, your kind isn't welcome here.
>>76171624
People get angry about holos all the time retard, there are literally daily bait threads about fuwamoco moving to japan or specific perms being blocked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171624
the holo subreddit doesnt even announce en stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171684
maybe learn to read before shit posting

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102

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>>76171387
They're all rich glorified NEETs and doing anything might open them up to criticism or attacks. Look at how Kiara gets shit for every single project or event she organizes.
Taking the Gura route has proven more profitable long term for these girls. You just let your manager tweet new merch announcements and show up for birthdays or holidays to collect superchats and it's guaranteed $200k/yr. Why bother doing anything when you already won at life while doing nothing?

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>>76168217
fibby bippy and same

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171684
>there are literally daily bait threads about fuwamoco
no kidding, for every 10 bait/seethe threads, there might be 1 worth looking at. And that pretty much applies to all HoloEN talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171624
>He says as he posts most protected vtuber on the board
Yeah i agree that holofans are dominating here but if we count jannies PC took that niche and now can shitpost freely everyday while having no consequences. Any Pippa bait threads get deleted in 15 minutes max. I guess that is result of her pandering to this board

[Anonymous No.]

brown vtuber memes has ruined this board forever. the amount of twitter level posting became unsustsuainable.

How long are you gonna keep ignoring the fact that out of 15 EN, 5 barely stream at all, the other 10 mostly stream to themselves in their own bubble. and almost all of them complained about burn out?
Remeber how special the vrchat collabs, the little gimmick streams that myth used to do, the minecraft server stuff like that were.
Look at Advent, and how awesome they were at the start, but now they keep having to resort to ID or JP for partners like OP pointed out. you can see them slowly going the same way the rest of the branch is.
Look at JP with the Rust server, the new Minecraft Hardcore server and other collabs, they are still going full force.
Are not worried that manegement is stressing the girls so much with unrelated bs that they cannot use their talent to make these special moments again?

Please wake the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170545
Mori specifically passed on Sajam's suggestion to not make the girls uncomfortable with the presence of out of Holo commentary
but then management basically told her to piss off when she requested some studio time for it to ensure no tech fuckups and the idea died completely
she clearly has no more energy to fight against unicorn/management retardation alike after being burned countless times and that kills a ton of interesting ideas

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171865
Gura's paypigs only stay around because they have other EN streams to watch. If everyone stopped streaming, the Gura strategy stops working.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171894
The jannies simply maintain the best interests of the board by curating its content for the best viewing experience.
Deleting criticism of Phase Connect maintains the harmony of the Holo Niji console war. Please direct all your anger at Holo or Niji like you're supposed to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170835
>They're forced to do a lot of work
ah yeah we can see how kiara going to vacation is like forced to work or gura literally living her life is forced to work, mumein doing her school stuff taking break is also forced to work, what next your dog died is cover forcing them to work too?
can you sister try harder to not look retarded? ppl already laugh at all of you and you still have 0 self awareness

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>>76171940
Gura's paypigs don't have any overlap with other Holo girls. She's a mascot chara like Hello Kitty or Anpanman. They can simply plaster her face on backpacks, stationary, keychains, etc and tourist fake weebs and underage kids will eat it up. If the entire EN branch got culled tomorrow they'd still continue selling Gura merch because the majority of her fans don't even know she's a streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170958
>I really doubt most people on this board are invested in Hololive
well most ppl on this board are not holofans to begin with, the top active thread are /nijiEN/ and all of its kind, imagine thats full of "holofans"? lmao

[Anonymous No.]

It's sad that none of what we discussed here will actually be seen by any Holo management. Nothing will change, things will just keep getting worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172005
Quit the bullshit, it is clear bias that is the result of pandering to 4chan. Kiara doxes stay longer than a simple discord screenshot with Pippa advising other talents to pander to this audience

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171603
No, that's the thing that sucks and why if I had to get mad at someone, it'd be at management for being so fucked in the head that their actions led to the girls' apathy.
As it stands I'm just sad, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171912
>Remeber how special the vrchat collabs, the little gimmick streams that myth used to do, the minecraft server stuff like that were.
That's what hurts. Remember Myth or Treat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
>Holo used to be good around 2020-21
Yes
The homos debuted in 2022 and destroyed the entire brand

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172178
>the top active thread are /nijiEN/
Not since 2022 has NijiEN even been in the top 5 most active threads. tourist-chama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172354
Retard >>76170798

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>>76172178
sister please, there are no niji fans left. those are bots and discord trannies trying to flood the forums. like how /gif/ is full of bbc and tranny porn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172299
Those streams are the ones that will make me say "That's why I love hololive". I haven't got that feeling from the EN girls for quite a while now...

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>>76168102
I refuse to believe you are this much of a retard and for all the retards saying this is valid criticism, things are stagnated, blah blah blah.
Mind I remind you there are literal streamers with 15+ years that have done nothing but play games, react to videos, some vlogs, some performance if they have any fucking talent and still have a career??
Bro, what are you doing watching streamers, even more vtubers that have clearly limitations in the medium? Go do extreme sports or something if you need something more exciting, or go back to flesh streamers if you need mindless entertainment.
Cover at least makes the fucking effort to bring the girls to new heights outside of JUST PLAYING GAMES. I prefer they do what they do than react video watchalongs and grind shitty games all the time for 10 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171912
>retards who shit on HoloEN have ruined the board
>shits on HoloEN
cool post, asswipe

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170044
I love it when sisters are like that. Take 2 barely admissible arguments that may have to do with the subject, add a bunch of things that have nothing to do with the subject but pretend they do, finally make up some bullshit, and then pretend you have a list XD Typical...

Also - so the girls are killing their voices from overwork, but they are barely streaming and putting minimal projects... Pick you imbecile - you can have someone be both overworked and barely working at the same time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172417
>doesn't refute anything
>yeah it's normal, it's like that
>you're retarded for expecting anything else
...uhh...??

[Anonymous No.]

people have been doomposting about HoloEN since they debuted
yawn

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170451
Cover is running a digital entertaiment company, not an idol company. You guys need to fucking grow up out of that meme already, is been years. Cover never once said that Hololive is an idol agency. It didn't borrow the idol company model. Cover created a vtuber agency, and borrowed the idol aesthetic - the aesthetic, the lingo (generations, graduations, oshi, etc). but that is all. Hololive is not run like an idol agency. Is an entertainment company that is wearing a skin suit.

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>>76172514
Whenever people say they are overworked, I will just ask them to look at JP. For example, Pekora is one of the largest JP Vtuber and I'm sure she's busy as fuck but she was still able to organize a fucking week long Minecraft event.

Meanwhile, the EN girls can't event stream once a week

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170451
If you think anyone cared about Sana then you're a fucking retard. They were glad to see her leave as she was a black(lol) stain on the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172372
>top thread are not nijiEN anymore
>after nijiEN LITERALLY SINKING to the deep ocean with riku yatch and all NDF are too busy to defend their ass
i wonder why tourist chama? thats why theres so many that claimed they are "victim" crying like a bitch with multiple fwmc bait thread to deflect their failed concert etc.

[Anonymous No.]

Holoen has been boring since around 2021 when Council debuted and suddenly half the girls were like "I'm gonna take a month long break because fuck you, bread dog". Maybe Omega was trying to force them to fuck tempus, I don't know, but from there the girls never recovered and never became frequent streamers.

Mumei clearly has some kind of chronic condition, like recurrent covid (lol I wonder how she got that couldn't be astrazeneca) which is a shame because she feels ashamed of not streaming (or at least is a good actor faking asthma and throat globules and adhd) but the rest of them seem to never give a fuck and are just like "lol".

But the answer for some of them is obviously merch is worth more than superchats and retards will literally buy the merch and say "MY GIRL IS SO POPULAR SHE DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO STREAM" because this board is full of embarrassing tards who think popular streamer=they are also somehow popular or cool for liking the popular thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172794
you're a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172399
>there are no niji fans left. those are bots and discord trannies trying to flood the forums
the board are full of nijinigger to begin with,but now after nyfco down, welcome your new friend mentally ill nijisisters .

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172887
astroturfed nijifans

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172372
oof

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170545
Collabs and especially large collab events, like what Pekora did with MC over the past week, require a lot of work and preparation behind the scene, and it requires someone doing all that work, and being motivated to do it. The reality is that back in the days, the driving force for events and collabs in EN was Ame, and when she stopped, everything stopped. So unless Kiara does it, nobody would do it. The problem was that Ame isn't speaking Japanese, so it was close to impossible for her to network and do such even with the JP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172850
I think you're wrong to assume the schizos on this board are representative of the average fan's mindset, hell the average /vt/ post isn't even representative of /vt/ fans anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171201
/v/ has not changed at all, your mistake was thinking /v/ actually liked videogames at any point in time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172866
seethe more sister,try harder,no one fell for your bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172969
/vt/ sucks

>>76168324
KARA BOGA

>>76168629
The problem with /vt/ besides all the other problems is that the large fanbases are here to shout Xbox vs. PS2 or Cowboys vs. Redskins (commanders is not a real name) tier rivalries like on the other boards.

Pretty much all 4chan boards have a SKUB > ANTI-SKUB component. It's just for some boards it's like "nazis vs. fascists" or "wan piss vs. good art" but on /vt/ it's "retards vs. faggots".

[sage No.]

>>76170661
I'm here to correct you. That happened 2 years ago. It was not related to any "meltdown".

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173093
I think /vt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173147
No, it was around the time she had the twitterspace meltdown last year in japan.
Her friends had to move all her stuff because she wasn't in country.
Thats where all the graduation bait started.
It was because a kfp-wide known stalker tried to inserted himself into her friendgroup and then stalked some of her friends to find her home.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171022
Taking in consideration how much work Cali had on her plate at the time, I have a heard time imagining her preparing and running a tournament. That is something that requires to to pause everything, and just focus you 100% on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172684
Idol skinsuits are the best though.

[Anonymous No.]

HoloEN specifically? Yeah. Retards will call me a nijisister even though I been watching since Sora was a 2view. JP is still in a good place.

EN is more stale than basement water. Hololive as a whole at least still tries to avoid drama but the content has been incredibly stale for many years now. ALMOST 4 YEARS since the debut of Myth, what else can they even try to achieve now? Most checked out and have no ambition to do anything. Fuwamoco is at least somewhat trying.
Everyone else in EN pushes the same content as twitch whores but more controlled and SFW.

All the other companies are in a much worse place, obviously NijiEN too. This hobbie already became niche and people still haven't realized this. There is nothing new to do, no ambitions. Only niche streamers popping up here and there. I think it's a western problem from than a holoEN problem.

I don't know how is this controversial, anime had this too with most anime being normalfag isekai crap. It's why people liked Gushing over magical girls, feels so out of place in the stale normalfag world. I still try to tune in for people who try to do something different like Pamu, but they will never make it out of 3view no matter what now. The COVID boost is over.

But the real question is, why are you in 4chan instead of watching vtubers? Because the drama has become more entertaining than the streamers themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

How can you not blame the women, its western whores, of course they are gonna care about their IRL lives more than their Idol work.

They care more about pleasing random men in real life then placating screennames in a chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170725
EN branches of JP corpos have always been shit compared to the JP side. HoloEN isn't the catastrophe that NijiEN is but it still feels low budget B-movie tier with far less concerts, 3D lives, and the streamers all using burger (shit) internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172969
NTA but /vt/ is simultaneously a containtment board so that retards don't spread to other parts of 4chan and the entrance to 4chan itself - its the fastest moving board of this forum and has an obscene amount of tourists that came here after seeing a screenshot of some le funny schizo xD or after watching some youtube video about /vt/ where some faggot reads posts out loud.
I wish we still had IP counters though, would make an interesting data analysis experiment if someone (i.e me) tried to web scrap the amount of posters per day and guesstimated the user traffic on this board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171624
The irony of posting the flagship vtuber from a company that has like 8 threads at any given time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172967
>The problem was that Ame isn't speaking Japanese, so it was close to impossible for her to network and do such even with the JP.
Lmao
It's been 3.5 years since she said she wanted to learn japanese. And she still knows none. Fantastique.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172005
Kys phasenigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173352
>But the real question is, why are you in 4chan instead of watching vtubers? Because the drama has become more entertaining than the streamers themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173447
the only EN to do any sort of nip reps since debut is Mori and everyone shits on her anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173641
Mori already mogged the fuck out of Amelia in terms of speaking japanese anyway. There's a fundamental difference between "someone who spoke japanese badly now speaks it fluently" and "never ever even tried to learn, despite posturing about how she totally would".

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171201
Because you're not, at least half of the posts on there are bots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173387
>its the fastest moving board of this forum
IT'S AN IMAGEBOARD NOT A FORUM

[Anonymous No.]

Faggots spam holy booba hudreds of threads and then write drivel like OP and call it legit criticism. You cunts aren't slick. You are so transparent in your seethe it would be funny if it wouldn be so fucking tiresome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172715
Which EN girls more exactly? Is fucking annoying how you all pretend that just because Ame and Gura are away, suddenly everyone in the EN is barely streaming. Because from what I see everyone else is either streaming daily, or 4-5 times a week. Or now you are gonna say that none of them should even take a couple days off?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173352
>Because the drama has become more entertaining than the streamers themselves.

Let me explain it with a chart. This is not a vtubing exclusive problem, like with console wars, people got more of arguing Playstation vs Xbox instead of the entertainment from the games themselves. Or sports fans having to stir fights with opposite teams and buy memorabilia of the most mindnumbing garbage to watch, or speculate on which team is gonna buy who.

Same with vtubing. There is no new content. People gotta look into rrats, rumors, company fights, doxxing, etc. To remain engaged. The medium itself is just too boring to consume in isolation.


>>76173612
Good job proving my point. Only way you can stomach watching vtubers is having them in a secondary monitor while multitasking because just watching the stream alone is dead boring. No need to pay attention, maybe a funny moment will happen every one hour or two.

Like zoomers who have to listen to podcasts while gaming. Only way to get any engagement from modern slop.

[Anonymous No.]

>Hololive ENGLISH
>waaa why don't they speak japanese waa

[sage No.]

>>76173296
Again, no, you are mixing up separate things. Her friends had to move her stuff when she was in KOREA in 2022. That stalker was not the guy known by kfp that tried to weasel into her friend group, she blaste him publically on her rm. She kept the move incident hidden on both sides of her life until this year. And the twitter space frustrations weren't related to either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
>Holo
You mean Myth.
Myth was never truly great.
Council was underwhelming.
Myth has only gotten worse, but 2nd Gen improved when it dropped the deadweight Sana and fully assimilated IRyS.
I know Kronii recently vented, but EN '23–'24 >>> '20–'21 because of Promise and Advent. You're blinded by nostalgia and the old hype while ignoring the thriving parts of EN and the entire JP side.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173641
People can shit on her all they want, the fact is she speaks Japanese at a conversational level and she's more easily able to collab with JP girls because of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173305
Exactly - and if this wasn't a clown show, there'd be an event coordinator receiving this request, assessing value to the company, and help set it up. Or if it's too low priority, put it on the backlog and label it as "self-funded event".
But since this IS a clown show, there's nobody to capitalize on the excitement surrounding new games and events being dropped in their lap, nobody to gather up and set priorities and content strategies, etc. etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
Hololive will never die.

[Anonymous No.]

>sister's axe-wound infects and oozes bio-hazardous waste
>floods the catalog with trash low quality bait in an effort to alleviate xir condition
>gets reminded her discomfort stems from "A Certain Japanese Talent Corporation" behavior and mismanage
>doubles down on her tantrum
What is this mental condition called?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173945
Two more weeks...

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173093
Long live the Washington Football Team.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173939
what if there is a coordinator assessing value, and he assessed all the value was in concerts and merch

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173939
No, because is content. Cover coordinates it's official Hololive streams, not the personal projects of their members, that's their job. Cover doesn't have enought personnel to have the Holomemers, outsource their responsibilities on staff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173816
Actually kill yourself if you are a dramafag, all of you clowns are the reason these dramachannels exist. These subhumans can create drama from literally NOTHING and you will still consume this shit. Literal 80iq monkeys that want other vtubers to suffer just for your own entertainment. Do world a favor, blow your brains out

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173987
You do realize sisters aren't real and everybody is having fun messing around, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76174214
Based!
>>76174249
Holy cope. lol

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive now is what it was always meant to be. They where streaming a lot in 2021-2022 because they where stuck in the house like the rest of us due to Covid. But have it not been for Covid, is very unlikely that Hololive would have been what it is today, as they would have not put that much accent on individual streams, and rather, they would have went for more in-group 3D content, something like Aogiri High or whatever. They became streamers because they had no other choice as they couldn't go to the studio.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76174249
>everybody is having fun messing around
So you agree that OP and other "criticism" is just more schizo shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76174214
You misunderstand. I HATE drama, I don't watch drama faggots.

I'm just pointing out that this is the only community news or engagement that comes from this hobbie because the content itself is dead.

EN specifically became incredibly lazy. Like at least someone like Filian does physical stunts. Does any HoloEN have 3D fully body tracking at home and use it for something special? Any holoEN winning esport competitions? Or am gonna watch another vtuber being soooo crazy for poorly cooking some ramen like I saw Hachaama do 3 years ago? Again?

I hate dramashit but the community reached this point because there is fuck all to expect from holoEN, nijiEN, Phase or whatever the fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
You have like two good points but everything else is just stealth seathing

[Anonymous No.]

the problem is less in western Holos and more in western audience
Nips see a girl acting like a comedic anime rabbit, or talking like a fucking baby or one thst pulls off hardest tsukkomi routines ever while sounding like a slaughtered duck and they're like "holy shit, this girl is like a real anime character, give me more"
western audience sees a chick that sounds like a chicken or the lady that seems to actually belive she's a timeless demon from hell and speaks to people like children and goes "holy shit, this girl is like a real anime character, cringe"
western audience shows over and ovdr that they'd rather watch normie white girls talk about their completely usual/relatable experiences, while playing the same games as their favorite twitch streamers
but in the end normie girls do normie girl things, entertaining lower status men is like their 70th top priority, while it's the characters, the crazies that still do weird shit

it seemed like things have a chance of changing with Bijou and FWMC, but even the latter are getting slightly disoilussioned about western audiences

[Anonymous No.]

>>76174208
Putting the responsibility of content strategy on the individual talents is retarded, and collabs within the company and with external parties can easily fall within the strategy category. Cover should be supporting at this level, and do so locally, as it's already evident that having talents shoulder this burden takes time from them maintaining their individual brands and activities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76174601
Yep exactly. JP has the right audience and the right streamers for that audience.

For the west, the audience only likes anime ironically senpai uwu, and the girls are merely normal twitch normies with an avatar. HoloEN is a pinch better because of all their rules and management, but they are still twitch slop for people who don't care about the manga/anime/otaku infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76174559
>Does any HoloEN have 3D fully body tracking at home and use it for something special?
Yes. Kiara bought a 14k XSense suit that she uses for dances and MVs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76174856
Nice! Just like any vrchat dancer since 2016. See what am talking about? The vtuber tech was extremely amazing and novel when it came out, but that has worn off and we are left with the same kind of content that the lazy normalfags have been doing for years, except "good" because of the anime coating on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173352
why do you brag about being an epic oldfag as if threads weren't just tribalshitting and rratposting back then, if anything it just shows that doomposting and overall complaining about nonexistent things is pretty on brand for a poster like you

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
>Hear me out here.
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>76175116
What the fuck are you even whining about at this point? You sound like a child who is throwing a temper tantrum and can't stop. Clearly vtubing isn't for you anymore. Move on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170599
Tempus had major contract fights over model redesigns with Vesper getting a public suspension. Why do you think HoloEN stopped putting on major projects and started having radio silent health breaks that went on for months? Cover is going to hide employee contract issues as much as they can but the EN branch is noticeable for how everything ground to a halt in 2022 which didn't happen with JP or ID.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76175149
They really weren't, retard. When there were collabs between companies, it was some major event and everyone was happy. Like Kizuna AI and Kaguya Luna.

Back then, Hajime from nijisanji made some comment about how mito was gonna destroy the competition, and the community had so much unity that he got cancelled to hell and back from both sides and never recovered.

Nowadays? Every little retard is trying to cancel each other on twitter for a drop of clout. No content they have will ever be enough on its own.

>>76175236
Pointing out that shit is bad is good. It's like you're telling me, "You don't like loot boxes and casualization on games? uhmm stop complaining?" I won't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76175452
Don quijotechama

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173387
>I wish we still had IP counters though
I came after that was already gone, and the number of times I've seen the same few obvious schizos spamming off cooldown is crazy. Why did they ever get rid of that anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76175831
Hiro and the guy he hired to run the site are retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
Honestly I agree with almost everything here. The last couple of weeks has felt like the pre-Advent drought again. Mori sick. Kronii Poland. Advent mostly out of action. Gura and Ame virtually semi retired. And yes Nijisanji sucks - I don't watch them and never have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170451
If only EN management didn't decide to debut holostars and hire anti's as employees. Yagoo had to learn English just so he can see the shit they say and do against the talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168629
No /v/ is still worse by miles trust me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76171913
Unicorn management? Dumbass, EN management were pro unity and they are incredibly petty to those who don't support holostars.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76175994
Yeah, only Phase connect girls are entertaining nowadays, they are like hololive but less popular. Pippa is a gem

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
nice try sis, #cut4hex

[Anonymous No.]

I for one think OP has a point, I mean, how often do the myth livers even stream nowadays???

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173739
Huh so that's why all the posts feels awkward to read

[Anonymous No.]

>>76176156
nigger, are you blind? that / is there for a reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173801
If you really count 4-5 streams then it's everyone expect advent and Kiara.

Calli is on a medical break so I guess it's fine but the rest are definitely not streaming 4 times per week.

I know you are dumb and you are now trying to post a schedule of a single week from Fauna or Baelz or whoever. 4-5 streams a week once every couple of months is not going to make it.

My point is at least 50% of EN is in that state of not doing shit and complaining about overwork.

If they are busy working on Hololive stuff like the JP girls then it's fine. But they are over working because of their side gigs or studies then it's their own fault. As a hololive viewer, I only care if they are doing their Hololive job properly. I don't give a single fuck of what's going on with their studies or side gigs.

I'm watching a Hololive Vtuber which they are supposed to be a streamer + a part time idol. If they don't stream they are not doing their job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168629
>>76168652
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168652
>nigga
cringe...

[Anonymous No.]

>>76173739
just like here!

[Anonymous No.]

>>76176604
You can't call black people cringe, that's racist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76176405
>livers

[Anonymous No.]

>>76176174
None of the people here cares about phase. As a holofan, phase is just as bad as niji.

Both are drama based vtuber company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76176174
Go post drama rabbit in one of your other 35 threads you faggots got running concurrently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76175333
You know what would fix things. MORE HOLOSTARS

[Anonymous No.]

>>76176538
This gives me the same frustration similar to my college profs that doesn't bother teaching since they're always 'busy'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76176174
Gonna forget on how pippa made fun of kiara pl and joked about her SA?

[Anonymous No.]

EN would be great if they replaced everyone with non cringe, non Korean people

[Anonymous No.]

>PL
So, what word is it we use now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170725
It's both. The Japanese management just insists on doing the same thing as in Japan and expecting it to work the same way and refuses to learn how to make the company successful in the west, despite the fact that the western market has way more growth potential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76177185
Your bait has gone bad. The way you framed it wasn't true from the start, and it's been rotten for the past 3 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76177579
Honestly a shortcut into understanding and succeeding in the west is to apply ESG or DEI into their business.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76176405
3/5 still stream regularly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76178017
Ina didn't get back into streaming until recently. But yeah, 3/5 now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
Graduate half of myth and promise

[Anonymous No.]

>>76177579
Seriously and unironically, how do we tell hololive management to fuck off and stop overworking the girls? They're very clearly being forced to do useless shit to seem busy like every retarded Japanese company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76177542
Anons have been pushing rm(roommate) for a bit now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76178269
I wonder how long we'll be able to use that word until someone uses it in a way that we don't like and then it gets the same treatment as the word "liver".

[Anonymous No.]

>>76178269
if "for a bit" you mean 3+ years then yea

[Anonymous No.]

>>76179038
*

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168629
>>76168652
Mods are very ban happy here, anons on here report if their feelings are hurt, this causes a deathspiral of legitimate conversation
The gf and I heard about some dumb fucking drama the other night, and it took us 20+ minutes of digging through the fucking catalog through 10 levels of obfuscation of people saying they saw something before we were forced to go to KF to see what the fuck people were even talking about. This was about Kiara's fucking tweets.

I'm all for gatekeeping, but when every shit stain on this board is effectively communicating with smoke signals, the community and the moderation have gone BAD.
I got banned globally for 3 days last week for bringing up how weird it is that Flayon is going on IRL collabs with so many women despite him "not being attracted to women," so he's traveling and spending a lot of money on women he doesn't know
Stated reason for ban?
Trolling.

Moot wouldn't have allowed this shit to get this bad, /vt/ is actually garbage, you can have a better conversation about vtubers on Quora at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>76176821
>other 35 threads you faggots got running concurrently
That's literally Hololive though. Probably more, actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76169341
Holomerch is not as expensive as the shit sports teams have been pulling lateky

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170044
They signed up to work with a company IN JAPAN. How are you gonna whine about that shit when you get to go TO JAPAN for WORK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76179577
>The gf and I heard about some dumb fucking drama the other night, and it took us 20+ minutes of digging through the fucking catalog through 10 levels of obfuscation of people saying they saw something before we were forced to go to KF to see what the fuck people were even talking about.
good, thats where you belong you drama seeking nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>76179577
>Mods are very ban happy here, anons on here report if their feelings are hurt, this causes a deathspiral of legitimate conversation
Unironically half the controversial subjects will get you a ban for "trolling", all that's left is ritualposting and 0-iq "NIJISEETHE" comments (which, ironically, are actual trolling but do not get banned)

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168652
you didn't even read the post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76170545
EN’d biggest issue is that they stick out like a sore thumb if they also try to do a lot in those collabs. It can be fun yes, but then you get moments like the 2021 undokai where the entire server just lags

[Anonymous No.]

Until /vt/ can accept that Hololive's popularity will one day sunset nothing will change. The catalog is full of so much love for smaller corpos and indies and yet there is this constant need to force a Holo vs Niji rhetoric as if it still applies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
>holo used to be good around 2020-21

>Ame
she is a Cover anti. it's very sad that she chose to be Kiara's bitch. Kiara's attitude has really rubbed off on her, there is just no hope for Ame
>Kiara
worst Hololive member by a mile
>Ina
will judge you for a lot of things + this bitch just tweeted that Korone knockoff, also probably only my problem but I hate spineless cowards that bow down to Kiara more than anything
>Mori
fakest bitch in holoEN
>Mumei
a hypocritical griefer named Orcschizo
>Bae
homo+niji+ecelebs triple whammy
>Fauna
leech + annoying reddittard fans obsessed with comparing her to Gura (some sort of cope mechanic?)
>Kronii
she is a menhera, you think you like her but it's due to the coomer bait design (cooldere&paizuri garbage)
>IRyS
she is not EN + boring to watch + worst fanbase
>Fuwamoco
same with IRyS and in addition to that they are a bit manipulative and calculating
>Bijou
your average soulless subathon streamer + Kaela and those indogs will drive you crazy someday
>Shiori
the most pretentious girl of holoEN
>Nerissa
Kiara's yuribaiting partner, no thanks
>Nijisanji & Nijisanji adjacent
I would rather be dead than have to watch any of them

EN has never been good, you either wait for Gura or find other hobbies and amusements

>Most talents who do stream do so in near-complete isolation, focusing on their little insular community
this is cope. nothing can beat Gura solo streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>76180753
Thanks for your shitty opinions nobody asked for. I'm sure you believe your time was well spent typing it out.

[Anonymous No.]

Also until /vt/ realizes that you have to drop the anti-male sentiment, again nothing will change. It's become completely irrational, you can't make your whole identity be rooting for Hololive while dismissing the existence of Holostars who, in my opinion, deserve more than nothing at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76180854
it's pasta

[Anonymous No.]

>>76180897
Good timesaver then. Still shitty opinions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76180753
>Fuwamoco manipulative
Well it does look like it, if you actually remember them not being actual anime girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76180897
yet that clock bitch and Kiara still played into my hands, really makes you think

[Anonymous No.]

>>76180753
You should go back to phase board or niji board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76172715
>Meanwhile, the EN girls can't event stream once a week
Reminder once again that on average, a HoloEN member streams more hours per month than a HoloJP members.
People just mistakenly thought “EN doesn’t stream” because HoloEN has way fewer members to cover the gap if one of them is MIA

[Anonymous No.]

>>76179900
(me) Yea, it's the shipping/handling that makes it over the top, can't wait for the US distribution center.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76179577
I would be happy if that fag got fired but yes it is trolling, or at least that's what it comes off as just like most of the posts in this thread with your writing style

[Anonymous No.]

>>76181553
Thanks for the reminder. That's true but it still sucks to see no one or only one stream is up during weekends or prime hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76181553
>People just mistakenly thought “EN doesn’t stream” because HoloEN has way fewer members to cover the gap if one of them is MIA

Probably more related to the stream hours of westerns though, it's normal to go 6 hours daily for big ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
profits are up and hours worked is down. that's usually seem as good management.
>>76180867
no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76168102
To a degree, yes. The biggest issue is that hardly anyone streams regularly anymore. Mori, even with all of her music related activities, still streamed alot until she had her surgery. Kiara at least tries to stream regularly so good on her. Ina puts in minimal effort and is only doing this until her art career takes off. Gura is immune to everything and Ame is in purgatory.

I know that shit happens. It happens to everyone. I give credit to Mori for putting out updates about how she is doing. I hope she gets well soon and takes the time she needs to get better. However, for people like Gura and Ina, there is no excuse. Tell people what is going on.

>>76168652
I know. It is really stupid that people will not accept any criticism at all.

One of the biggest things that I do not like about NijiEN potentially dying is that it gives Hololive the majority control of the EN Vtuber market. While people can say "Oh they treat us great. What's the problem?", there is Ero guarantee that things will continue to stay good in the long term. If Wagoo leaves/retires as CEO, will his successor be just like him? Will it be just one person? Will it be a group of executives that rip out all of what makes the company good and turns it into Niji2?

Monopolies are not a good thing except for rare circumstances. I get that NijiEN is crap, but it is not a good idea to an entire market to one company.

>>76168217
>>76168250
>>76168307
>>76168509
>>76168629
>>76168904
>>76168913
>>76169048
>>76169206
>>76169341
>>76169399
>>76169551
>>76169635
>>76169649
>>76169655
>>76169693
>>76169838
>>76169953
>>76170032
>>76170354
>>76170391
>>76170505
>>76170567
Just saying, if Hololive turns into Niji into the future, we warned you.

And even if OP is a sister, maybe think for a moment about what they are saying. Even if you disagree with it, there may be a kernel of truth or something to think about. Acting like a child does not solve anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76180753
Your oshi will never stream again chumbud, it's time to let it go
Just watch JP they are way better than your fake ass shark

[Anonymous No.]

>>76182241
What happened with Ame? I stopped following Myth except for Kiara at the end of like 2022. Why is she in purgatory?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76182241
>doing this until her art career takes off
I sure hope she's saving her money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76182415
Family issues. My comment is that she is gone for the time being dealing with personal issues.

Main point is that a large portion of Myth is out at the moment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76182620
Well she bought a home not long ago so she's getting close to be able to retire and focus on drawing.

I'm surprised that she joined the MC Hardcore event. That's a lot of effort, especially waking up 3AM to play with others.

But it could also mean she's planning to leave and wanted to make some memories before then

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>>76182415
prag

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>>76182882
If she managed to buy a home in Canada, then she making good money then. It is hellishly expensive up there for everything.

She could also be investing a portion of her earnings too. Once she gets to a point that she can live off that, she can leave Hololive if she wants and just focus on drawing.

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>>76182241
>until her art career takes off

didnt she work on some cgdct anime a while ago?

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>>76183277
Home prices in Canada drop drastically in rural areas or places where there is no demand.
It is wildly expensive in large cities but you can get not even an hour out of these cities, still get good internet service and have a reasonably affordable home.
And by reasonably affordable, they're still too expensive but not in the three-quarter million range for a normal bungalow with a shed outside.

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>>76183658

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>>76171432
The Sankisei monhun and terraria streams all felt ripped from the old days.

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>>76182241
>One of the biggest things that I do not like about NijiEN potentially dying is that it gives Hololive the majority control of the EN Vtuber market
Idk anon, it's not like Niji were that threatening for holo's monopoly considering their specialty are males, if anything the fall of NijiEN will give path for 2 competitors to be a real threat for holo's monopoly namely vshojo and PC considering their target market are more similar to holo compared to Niji's

[Anonymous No.]

fuck off, creep

[Anonymous No.]

What happened at nijikuro now ?

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>>76168102
HoloEN is mostly crap.
Only Gura could save HoloEN, if she streamed.

Just ditch HoloEN and watch HoloJP instead.

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>>76168102
>Most talents who do stream do so in near-complete isolation, focusing on their little insular community
This makes it all worth it. Collabslop getting phased out is a massive positive. The whole point of streaming is streamer/chat interaction, and as soon as a guest enters the stream, the guest becomes the entire focus. Glad to see that the streamers are actually doing what streaming is supposed to be.

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>>76185404
Not so subtle there sister

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>>76185771
>watches large idol shtick streamer company
>with a gorillion collabs
>wants solo streamers
if i find out cover did an english market survey and people like you are the reason why we don't have kino en collabs anymore i'm gonna walk up to you and punch you in the nuts

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>>76176002
Antis as employees? Huh?

[Anonymous No.]

be sorry mothafucka

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>>76176156
How was management petty?

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>>76168652
Anon...
You're not supposed to be one that seething when making a thread like that

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>>76189086
petty my anus

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Individually it is a bit false, however on a collaborative level HoloEN is dead, they are not able to put together events by themselves nor do they seem to be motivated.

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>>76172474
the problem is functionally illiterate twitter tourists like you retard

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>>76168629
This place is slowly becoming as bad as /vg/ with all the generals popping up

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>>76196601
>this place is becoming as bad as a generals board, because it has lots of generals
Uh...
Anyway the generals are the least cancer part of the board, the catalog is in a serious competition with /v/ except it's even more shit because /v/ comes up with interesting threads more often.

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>>76194025
HoloEN did occasionally have branch wide events in 2021 but they completely stopped having them in 2022. It's not even an issue of motivation since the EN talents go out of their way to only have smaller group events when it would be easier to have a branch wide event. Their are signs things are slowly improving though RM accounts would indicate they still frequently have problems with management.

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>>76173704
one lives in japan, the other does not. Please don't do this stupid comparison between coworkers of all things.

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>>76188917
I don't have any screenshots of it but didn't you guys /here/ complain about the people getting hired to manage twitter accounts and even the official en yt channel. Even looked through their twitter posts history and stuff.

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>>76197309
You clearly haven't been to /vg/ if you think having more generals is a good thing.
Alot of the tribalism and other bait actually spawns from generals, but anons try and pretend they are a good thing?

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>>76174601
The thing about Bijou is she's so openly cringe it circles around to being based. She also understands the pulse of the Tik-tok crowd who is all about being apologetically cringe.

The only other Holo that tried to embrace her cringe in EN who isn't Advent is Mori and she doesn't have the extra years of baggage that Advent does.

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>>76168102
>Has become
Always has been*

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>>76168629
/r9k/, /mlp/, /mu/, /vg/, /trash/, /d/ for a little bit, /tg/(before the /q/ was made),and few more...

How new?

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dmitri my man...
you were supposed to fix EN

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>>76177878
Please, no...

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>>76168217
>>76168250
>>76168307
>t. hololive management deflecting from criticism
Dont fall for it. Of course they wanna cover(kek) their ass

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>>76171432
To be fair it's not good timing for EN:
>Advent has just started their 3D/Japan arc (despites till being fairly active streaming).
>Mori who usually does heavy lifting for Myth is on surgery leave.
>Ina is about to prepare for her temporary move to Japan.
>Bae is still swamped with recordings
>Fauna is on her period
>Kronii Poland arc
>While the usuals on hiatus (Gura, Ame, Mumei) is gonna stay as always

>I miss the time when everyone streamed 4-5 times a week and collaborated with each other more often. Back then, the girls will just casually call each other on stream and would chat and play together
This still happens with Advent.

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>>76179577
/vt/ is probably the closest this site has been to its original spirit.
Sure, there's still a ton of moderation but it never ceases to be amazing.
You can't get this anywhere else these days without ruining your life because accounts fuck other sites with active discussion about vtubers.

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>>76196601
Yeah no, /vg/ has some serious worse schizo issues than /vt/.
The Halo general is the best example, /hg/ is literally some 10-20 schizos keeping it up to shitpost off-topic and bait people into doxxing themselves. While actively ensuring discussion cannot exist there about the game nor the Multiplayer besides in-group discussion, outsiders get the monkey.
Modded Minecraft General (mmg) is just tech mod autists that will ignore you for asking real creative questions about Minecraft.
There's a gorillion generals full of c*nny and softcore porn all-over there unlike the containment thread that is the horny general /here/ and mods can't do shit about them because there's just too many regulars, tourists and trolls for any gacha game so banning them individually actually doesn't do shit (unlike several generals in /vt/ which actually DIE for a week or month if a single very active user gets banned) because they end up like a Hydra head situation.
The Helldivers general /hdg/ is just a hidden-in-plain-sight reddit FOB that is trying to stealth kill the Halo general to claim the /hg/ title but doesn't know which level of autism it is dealing with.
All of the threads that definitely belong in the other /vg/-like boards but don't get hard moved there because of sheer insistance meaning mods there actually gave up on keeping it clean unlike /here/ when someone gets too cocky. Even going as far as several people getting rangebanned several times in a row.
I won't go into detail about the schizofest of the mmo generals, the serial doxxers is enough context and makes some SEAs here look sane.
/dbg/ amigos...
Anyways, /vt/ will never be as bad or worse than /vg/ or worse yet, /v/.

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>>76209727
You clearly haven't have been here long enough if you don't think some of the /vt/ generals are just as, if not worse, than /vg/'s.

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>>76206551
>Ina is about to prepare for her temporary move to Japan.
I think she's gonna stay for a couple of months I think? that is pretty much RIP for tako time because it will be like 6 am for her

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>>76173387
>if someone tried to web scrap the amount of posters per day and guesstimated the user traffic on this board
I'm 99% sure the reason they removed IP counters was to prevent exactly this type of action. Can't look good to the few advertisers this place gets if you can prove there's like 10 schizos saturating the entire board instead of hundreds of posters.

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>>76172178
>the top active thread are /nijiEN/ and all of its kind
/hlgg/ has been the fastest thread on this entire website since its creation in 2020

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>>76182241
>Ina puts in minimal effort and is only doing this until her art career takes off
Where does this retarded narrative even comes from? Ina does her JP, singing, dancing reps and is still streaming somewhat regularly, including participating in most group events.All that while having another career on the side. Wtf else is she supposed to do? Does it make chumkeks feel better to lump others with their lazy shork?

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>>76210212
No it's until next year.

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>>76211511
I have no idea. Probably because most tourists here are fags from 2021-2022 who thinks that dumb trinity meme is still ongoing.

Also.
>until her art career takes off
She was already self sufficient even before hololive. The only reason Ina even started doing hololive is because it lets her take a break from drawing.

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>>76170505
>dk man, pretty much all the talents I watch have said they like and get along with their managers.

so do the niji en folks but you guys refuse to listen to them somehow

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>>76168102
>legit concerns about holoen
>first posts full of cope and denial faggotry
there is your answer anon, people get what they deserve.

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>>76168102
Didn't Kiara have a rant about how she misses the "old" HoloEN Myth collabs?
Irony of ironies, the very first collab, she's nearly in tears from Mori telling her to shut the fuck up

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>>76206551
I had some bad flashbacks when I realized advent was on their japan arc but it's been ok so far

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>>76168102
Nah that's just myth.

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>>76206551
wasn't en3 supposed to fix this?

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>>76182415
Just like Gura, too much money. Laziness come from having a good easy life and Gura/Ame and almost all of Promise is a prime example of that.

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>>76218468
They have 3D rehearsals, read retard. Even then they're still putting out streams. Advent's existence isn't going to magically bring back the members on hiatus.

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>>76218706
>Advent's existence isn't going to magically bring back the members on hiatus.
You sure about that? Remember when Gura came out of nowhere to overlap Bijou as most as possible after her debut?

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Not going to make a new thread thread or invade another general with this question so I'll ask it here.

Can someone explain Gura to me and why she is the biggest holo member? As someone that only started watching tubers about about half a year ago, I don't really understand. I don't have anything against her, she seems decent when she streams, but the biggest by a large margin? I don't see it. Did she get lucky? Were her streams much different earlier?

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>>76219051
Yes, and then she disappears again.

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>>76219377
Snowball effect from her debut meme, and by having the largest following pre holo that followed her into hololive. Gura isn't just lucky. She's got actual skill as an entertainer that's being wasted because she has no motivation or goal to go with it.

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>>76220081
I'm sure Gura said "the harm is done" and disappeared again to live on her cuckfanbase back

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>>76220381
Loli aside, there's not much overlap between their fanbases. Bijou is gaming focused and fairly extroverted, while Gura is more music focused. In terms of humor and interactions it's essentially zoomer loli vs boomer loli.

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>>76220598
I'm not even talking about their similarities, i'm talking about the fact that Gura stopped streaming for months ghosting her community but as soon as Advent debuted she came back from the dead without a single word. And of course streamed only during Bijou time slot to make sure she don't have a single viewers because most of them will be curious about "wow gura is back!" thing. Then she vanished again after fucking up Bijou first few weeks of live which is one of the most important time for a youtube channel to find your target audience. I know some chumcucks will scream that Bijou had the same time slot as the usual Gura (who was afk FOR MONTHS) so it wasn't "on purpose" but the overlap is just so fucking obvious it always make me laugh.

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>>76220243
she does occasionally get very brief bouts of motivation. those moments only make her regular apathy more frustrating

[Anonymous No.]

>Ctrl+F "Niji"
>45 matches

It's kinda sad how much of a hugbox for holotards this board has become, it's even worse than reddit.

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>>76223221
Holokeks do more deflection with the Niji boogeyman than fans of ex-Niji members, it's honestly pathetic how intellectually lazy they are.

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>>76168102
Yes