/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

I don't blame Gura for fucking off anymore. They're killing off holoEN. She was trying to tell us this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
gura was right

[Anonymous No.]

Would you even be all that sad if she graduated at this point? HoloEN is a sinking ship as it's clear Cover doesn't give a shit about that branch anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
She was dying from what the management been doing these months,
She was trying to tell us all along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
Gura i'm sorry...

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286580
Why be sad when she graduates when she's literally gone all the time.
Its like she already graduated.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

the EN cover management are severely mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.]

so this is the latest chumbud cope?
>it's not that she doesn't care about us, s-she's just protesting!

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
she was the last bastion of holoen
the big shark...

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
uh oh!

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
Gooba, I should've trusted you... I'm so sorry for what you've gone through

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
New chumpedo cope just dropped

[Anonymous No.]

I support Gura's passive rebellion.
If I were here I would "tummy hurt" as much as my contract allowed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286793
She was getting us ready... she knew it was happening, she knew none of us could stop it, so she bore the hate, prepped us for the pain, and has prepared to set off again somewhere beyond the sea

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
Gura did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>holoEN explodes
>fauna rejoins shondo
>they make a new lolituber NOMALES company
>gura joins
the problem fixes itself

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
She's going to talk to the new members before you get another tweet from her, chumcuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286580
>Would you even be all that sad if she graduated at this point?
If Gura graduated literally right now and Cover didn't say anything about it or take down her channel, who would even notice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
So you're coping mechanism is that she abandoned you because icky MALES instead of being your savoir from the icky males and creating a safe space for you with streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40287479
Fucking based

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
Yup she just wanted to join a cute girl company and be like her JP idols and is now smothered in cock.

[Anonymous No.]

I hope she's saved up enough to buy the rights to her character from Cover. She's clearly grown attached to her new persona and her PL carries too many bad memories for her. I just hope she'll bounce back. After all she's done for Cover, propelling it into the eyes of the west, this is how the west and management repay her...

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
more homos means less male-female collabs and less homobeggars, this is good

[Anonymous No.]

>>40288118
Can they buy the character? I sure hope so

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
This, holoEN is legitimately dying before our eyes while pekora is streaming to over 160k CCV
Cover is to blame.
EN management is to blame.

Yes the talents share some of the blame, but if management wasn't so incompetent then they wouldn't have snagged koreans like sana, ina and kronii who are obvious graduation magnets

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
I apologize Gura sama You can graduate any time you want i'm over hololive now/

[Anonymous No.]

>>40288062
nothing stops her from streaming and becoming the niche she wants to see. not like she was constantly interacting with anyone before tempus.

[Anonymous No.]

How fucking funny will it be when tempis get their official 3d streams before myth

[Anonymous No.]

>>40288118
She's grown so attached to the shark model that she can't stop streaming with it!

[Anonymous No.]

>>40288244
Theoretically, yes. In actuality, no. Not just because Cover would have to be fucking insane to let anyone buy out their model and assets (because it sets a dangerous precedent) but because it'd also cost a ridiculous amount of money. Millions, probably. And if you think any of these stupid bitches who constantly buy unnecessary shit, refurbish their entire apartment/house, and order food on stream know anything about saving money, you're stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40288244
lol of course not

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
This is pure cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40288244
I'm not 100% sure because I seem to remember either hearing it off-hand in a stream some time ago (clearly they wouldn't mention that type of stuff often or that explicitly), read it off of here (lol), or it came to me in a dream. Maybe it's just cope that we'll still get to have our Gura as she was and without Cover's and management's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40287479
>gura joins jew gura in the jew company as gura the jew and makes even more money

[Anonymous No.]

i want to crush the skull of every EN manager in a bench vise, slowly, so i can hear the dull crunch as the bone develops cracks

[Anonymous No.]

>>40287479
>Thinking Fauna will ever give up on the job.
Don't lump in my oshi with your lazy fuck. Cumbuds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40288766
Fauna would leave if Gura left

[Anonymous No.]

>>40288479
In a purely economic sense sure. It's possible she could devalue the brand and reputation so much that Cover might not even want to keep the IP. Again, pure cope, I know, but it's not unheard of that they'd rather let her walk than stay and tank the brand. Clearly management has lost their minds, so it's not out of the question if we take any type of sense out of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40288479
she would just go back to being HER. Even kids know already anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you mean they're killing off EN? Did I miss something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
Gura and Ina will graduate in July, it's pretty much a done deal at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40289391
HolostarsEN gen2 within 6 months of gen1, while we have only had 2 gens of HoloEN over 2.5 years
HoloEN has been officially abandoned

[Anonymous No.]

She is in Japanese immersion learning and will become Japanese. I suggest you do the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40289579
Do we know if Mori's break at the end of the month syncs with her roommate doing another concert tour? If Sinderella did well and UMG-JP renews her contract, she might stay, but if it flopped and she's been ramping up RM activity, could be she's looking to jump too

[Anonymous No.]

>>40289579
The girls abandoned it by not streaming, so of course cover would want to debut more of the people who actually stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
Sana and Gura knew all along

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
I'm sorry Gura...
You we're right...

[Anonymous No.]

>>40289263
>she would just go back to being HER
>go back to being someone who collabed with males regularly
she needs a new persona

[Anonymous No.]

>>40287189
10/4/22 a day that will live in infamy.
Walk away shark, let it burn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40289484
>Gura
>Leaving her meal ticket

lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>40287904
>Sana
I am forgotten

[Anonymous No.]

>>40289738
Mori said she's rebranding, partly because of the yab with the guy she collabed with through UMG that tried cancelling her on twitter, partly because she has been wanting to go full force into her IRL for awhile and was talking about rebrand ideas back in october

[Anonymous No.]

>>40287479
add 1 AItuber in there and it would be perfect

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>>40286400
if she takes off the "idol" part in her twitter bio, then it is confirmed that the end is near

[Anonymous No.]

>>40289738
Who the fuck cares.
Fuck off back to your split cuckbeat.
You faggots are incapable of not mentioning the fat pink wigger.
You’re like an autistic retard that only knows how to talk about Pokémon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40288244
>>40288118
Cover will literally never let go of the rights to someone like Gura. Even if it means the model languishes unused forever, just the merch and royalties alone would be a significant earner for a long time.

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>>40290412
sure get neurosama in there

[Anonymous No.]

She Killed off holoEN because she hates her creepy fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286580
>Would you even be all that sad if she graduated at this point?
No. At this point the brand and the branch are utterly unsalvageable. It's clear HoloEN is just a smokescreen and that they were always after Chinese fujoshi. Yagoo sold us out, Cover sold us out.

The sooner Gura graduates the better. They'll all just end up as appendages of the males like in Nijisanji in the best case scenario, so I hope the girls have some sort of backup or other options. This horseshit is just for Chinese women and faggots now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286580

The real important question here is why is the Hololive EN failing so hard? Is it because Cover isn't doing anything or is it because they've failed so hard that Cover is writing them off? After this past year, I can say that they haven't been performing nearly up to par with what they did in their first year nor on par with what SHOULD be expected from THE biggest company in the industry.

Like it or not, the EN girls are the failures, not the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40290609
>The real important question here is why is the Hololive EN failing so hard?
PRESS THE FUCKING GO LIVE BUTTON AND STREAM, HOW DIFFICULT IS THAT? VERY, APPARENTLY, IF YOU'RE A WOMAN IN HOLOLIVE EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>40290609
When management fails to get perms again or do some other basic function of their job, Vesper, being a man, calls management a collection of fucking incompetent gooks not worth their paycheques and gets a 2 week suspension. He comes back with the air cleared and goes back to the grind and his regular schedule.
When Gura and the girls get fucked over by incompetent and lazy management, being women, they quietly accept it and transform their frustration into a resentment for their situation and people responsible that builds up over months/years until they can no longer stand to face it without depression and/or graduation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40290329
That tweet has been deleted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40291589
There's nothing to suggest that she isn't still considering rebranding, besides from being obstinate

[Anonymous No.]

>>40290609
HoloEN doesn't care, if even half of them had the work ethic Tempus has they wouldn't be declining so hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40290557
I hope she leaves so I can watch her piss on the corpse of Hololive.
>A rising tide lifts all boats

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292057
Tumbling down, tumbling down…

[Anonymous No.]

>>40288286
Hololive Production English management is to blame directly.
They are responsible for permissions and looking after their talents.
They have failed at that, girls have been unable to play games they have wanted to play, they have been unable to do fun stream ideas they've had, they've been unable to do collabs they wanted.
And instead of having encouragement and some care they've been belittled and demoralized. Gura has talked about this on member streams.
The fact that out of two gens only a couple of girls even stream weekly should be a no brainer red flag that something is wrong there.
They have lost the will to stream.
They failed to release Gen3 for so long the remaining girls that want to stream can't collab at all.
They have neglected the branch and failed to organize any fun event or produce anything cool for christmas and NY.
Past special events were all organized by myth themselves and now that they ran out of steam it's clear management could not pick up the slack. It's their responsibility to organize content like that, in Japan they manage to do a lot more, EN can't get shit done.
Council has taken way too long to get its new skins as well.
You can put the blame of Hololive Production English on management on Cover as a whole tho, because they should have realized there was a problem already and done something to fix it.
But they've ignored the english branch and now this is what is happening as a result.
They literally had the monopoly over the entire worldwide market when they debuted and they could not keep up that momentum.
Their big shots went from 30k to maybe 15k on a good day. Even their collabs can't go big anymore.
Meanwhile JP girls regularly get 20 and even 30k on their own and collabs can get 100k.
How the fuck do you screw up that badly that your branch actually loses people instead of having any growth?
The utter failure of Hololive Production English management.

Oh yeah and forcing the girls to collab with the guys decimated their remaining numbers was also super stupid, as well as rushing homoen gen 2 at the cost of delaying holoen gen 3 even more. They sacrificed the main branch of the company for the weak spinoff.

Hololive Production English management really deserves an award for being one of the biggest fuckups ever. They were the biggest company in their industry, practically had a monopoly, had first mover's advantage. And they managed to decay and rot while the japanese branch still achieved success and growth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292270
Never forget the design they gave IRyS while knowing full well they had Council and HoloX at their disposal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
cute Snow White

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292270
>They are responsible for permissions and looking after their talents.
"Can you stream?"
"No."
"Why?"
"Don't want to and you can't make me."

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292270
>Oh yeah and forcing the girls to collab with the guys
I don't recall a single forced collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286580
I would be even if it doesn't make sense to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292270
>The fact that out of two gens only a couple of girls even stream weekly should be a no brainer red flag that something is wrong there.
yeah, it's a red flag that hit the minimum passive income in memberships to sustain their lifestyle so they don't give a shit anymore, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40290609
>>40290716
The girls knew the branch will become a maletuber branch for the Chinese and that any and all effort they make will only benefit the company that betrayed them.

THAT is why they all went to shit, THAT is why there are no streams and THAT is why none of them put in any effort. Cover is literally, actually, fully a black company that used us, the fans, AND the talents just to add a backdrop for Tempus. That was the plan all along - mainland Chinese market. HoloEN wasn't supposed to succeed at all, it was just a smokescreen to make the coming male branches "Western" and give them a veneer of deniability. And since it's in English it makes Tempus exotic and appealing to Chinese fujoshi. EN management isn't incompetent, they've been doing exactly what they've been told to do, which is to destroy CGDCT and Myth as a whole. Their popularity was unexpected, unplanned, and they thought it will just be a tiny blip on the radar. But they became popular, and this complicated their plans. All the effort of EN management up to this point was to destroy them. THAT is why all Gura's plans and ideas were vetoe'd, cancelled or obstructed.

The whole of Myth and the whole of Council exist and existed only for that singular purpose - China. ALL the girls have been exploited by this and nobody is a greater sucker than us fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292437
More like
>Can you stream?
>No
>Why?
>Because it's the same fucking stupid shit, the games I want to play keep getting fucking yanked last minute, last person to speak up against your bullshit got suspended, and most importantly fuck you

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292437
"Can I stream this?"
"No"
"Why not"
"We haven't got perms for it"
"Can you get perms so I can stream"
"No"

"...sorry guys, I'm kinda feeling bad, no streams this week"
Repeat every week for years and it's no wonder they're all so low-energy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292653
>the company that betrayed them.
I wish a company would betray me with thousands of dollars a month while barely holding me to the contract I signed.

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>>40292724
>>40292725
>I don't fucking care, put out content and do your job.
>Nooooooo, I'm sick now :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
>hololive has 10 girls
>they don't stream
>people have nothing to watch so they switch
>it's somehow the male's fault
chumkeks aren't even trying anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292653
>THAT is why they all went to shit, THAT is why there are no streams and THAT is why none of them put in any effort.
this nigger is actually trying to convince people that the girls stopped streaming after tempus and not before

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292814
Yeah sick of the bullshit and mismanagement. A few girls getting sick/silent protesting by not streaming is a coincidence. Basically all of them, at once, at the same time? Nah that's an organized revolt

[Anonymous No.]

If every single member of HoloEN went indie and had no permissions red tape they still wouldn't stream. This delusion that they're being held back is pure fictitious bullshit to salvage their reputation despite them being demonstrably lazy. They stopped putting in effort even before Council debuted.

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>>40288361
Wouldnt be surprising to be honest, yagoo or whoever in charge of homostars kept pumping tons of money and resources to constantly promote them everywhere whenever possible, with public ads for example and none of them really hit it big like the JP girls. Now with the "success" of the EN version because a large majority of male vtuber fans are EOP femcels, yagoo's true dream is somewhat being realized and another gen of homoENs coming out so soon is proof of this "passion project" of wanting his males to be mainstream popular

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292883
NTA but Tempus didn't fucking just show up overnight. They would have been told about the announcement decision months in advance at minimum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292986
This proves the managers were right not to trust them, as they're too childish and immature to do their jobs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292986
imagine thinking any of those en whores care

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>>40292986
>I don't like how things are being managed
>so I'm just not going to work
>and if you try to force me, I'll play the sick card to make you the bad guy
they're lucky Cover isn't an actual black company or there'd be a demand of medical documentation to prove they're sick

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
>They're killing off holoEN
Finally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292997
So sick of seeing this obvious shitty gaslighting attempt all over the catalog by creatures like you. There's no way to tell what the girls would do if they didnt had a shitty corporate management team heavily restricting them on what content they're allowed to do
>hurhurrhurr *posts dox of their old roommate activities years ago*
Which wouldnt even help your argument because again, people's interests and mindset change over the years

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
F, She destroyed herself and the Holo En
Fame came easy, but she didn't have the knowledge and preparation to handle it.
She needed to be the symbol of Holo En, both for herself and for the other girls, instead she started to sabotage herself for unknown psychological reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292986
>that's an organized revolt
Exactly. They all knew Tempus is coming months in advance before there was even a single tweet or announcement, because that's how companies work. It broke Gura. It broke all of them, I feel.

This is ultimate betrayal of everything she joined Hololive for, this is Yagoo and management shitting on her dreams of being an idol AND a fan of idols. And nothing but severe depression can come from that. She's been utterly cheated, utterly! All the effort and all the fun she had when she started up has become ppisoned in retrospect, and everything she did was in service of Tempus. It was her and the rest of Myth that built HoloEN, and it all now got thrown to the males, the ultimate leeches, the ultimate parasites, the ultimate, biggest, most venal grift I have personally ever witnessed.

Fuck Yagoo, fuck Hololive, fuck the Japanese. It's time to just fuck off from Hololive. I'm never watching anything from them ever again, not even JP stuff. FUCK HOLOLIVE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40287479
>fauna rejoins shondo
Yeah you can keep telling yourself this and it might happen anon.

[Anonymous No.]

this wouldn't have happened if they hired japanese women that spoke english
western english speaking women are all whores who take everything for granted and once they generated enough income to live comfortably, they were out

[Anonymous No.]

>>40293866
this is top tier shitposting, i love you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40293903
>this wouldn't have happened if they hired japanese women that spoke english
NijiEN disproved this instantly.

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>>40288118

I'd value the Gura model at easily over $1M. I doubt Gura has that, let alone would be willing to drop that much for the rights to it. Even if she bought out the model, the channel would likely be deleted or kept by Cover, they wouldn't allow her to keep it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
Shame, it's an ugly, disappointing fate. Well, I'll still watch her along with the JPs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40293866
based

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>>40290609
Western women have the poorest work ethic in the world. Spoiled beyond belief, they can't be bothered to lift a finger even if they are paid to do so.

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>>40293866
>3D birthday live gets fucked and cut in half
>Special animation gets delayed
>Perms for this cancelled, perms for that cancelled, Gura we need you to do this event and that event, but we're not going to give you any backing so figure it out
>Gura your loli self will offend westerners please let us add oppai to your animation and daki (finally backs down after enough feet stomping)
>Gura no daki release for Christmas, figure something out

I'd fucking quit too. Fuck all the little shits here who think they're too tough for a mental health breakdown but have never actually experienced anything in life. This type of workplace bullshit tears down at you, especially a young woman with a prior drinking problem.

[Anonymous No.]

She was protesting all this time against the homo’s…. I’m sorry Gura-Chan…

[Anonymous No.]

>>40294362
Boo fucking hoo, they have to deal with the rigors of having a real job. That's so fucking rough, I hope all the fancy new shit they bought with the 5+ grand a month they earn makes up for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40294362
I think what's fucking insane is that Gura clearly knows what she's fucking doing and Cover is just not letting her do it. She's literally able to print money for them like its nothing. They are LITERALLY sabotaging her.

[Anonymous No.]

Gura dyes her hair blue and go back to her former life soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40295013
I’m not gonna lie I was visibly seething when she went on a vent about not getting perms and her projects getting shortened or canceled by management.

I was angry at hololive as a whole but honestly I’m certain it’s EN management just being incompetent fucking retards. After getting shut down for months I can’t blame her for being fed up worth the bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40295164
>"Hello old friend"
>Picks up bottle of vodka
>Picks up a revolver
>"I just wanted to be a cowboy, baby..."

[Anonymous No.]

The average chumbud has less brain cells than a shark shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>40295164
God I wish, atleast she will have creative freedom of her content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40295466
>"creative freedom"
enjoy youtube react content and her fucking off for months instead of weeks, cumbud

[Anonymous No.]

>>40295696
Literally no difference from now. You ungrateful fucks forget how it was in the old YouTube when you had to wait weeks or months for an upload.

[Anonymous No.]

It’s so odd to me JP and EN were doing great and then EN decided to make their female talents potential cock sleeves.

Why fix what wasn’t broken? Why not follow JP’s example??? I respect Gura for completely ignoring their existence but the entire branch is unsalvagable at this point, mori made sure of that when she decided to initiate collabs, look where she’s at now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286400
>S-she's not streaming as a protest.
cope

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>>40286580
I understand now that she was trying to prepare us, Im sorry gura for disparaging you

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>>40295949
>EN decided to make their female talents potential cock sleeves
>mori made sure of that when she decided to initiate collabs
make up your goddamn minds, is it management or the girls's fault? you don't see thee JP girls rushing to collab with a newly debuted homoJP branch

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>>40295949
I agree. Half of me doesn't want to put all the blame on Cover (or at least that they should be blamed for negligence and not actually being fucking stupid) and put all the blame specifically on HoloEn management. HoloJP and HoloID seemed to have no difficulties arranging new and interesting song and game perms, HoloID figured out the unarchived fix first, and seem to actually be doing managing. HoloEN is just a gaggle of women constrained by some egotistical Gary Stu (Omega) whose more focused on writing his own lore than causing HoloEN to fluorish

[Anonymous No.]

>>40296311
cover corp has failed to make the EN managers jobless.

[Anonymous No.]

>people STILL think EN management forced girls to collab with homos
The only ones that want to collab already have. EN management is fucking useless but that’s the one thing I’m not blaming them for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40296298
The girls, more specifically Mori. Because she “didn’t want them to feel excluded and alone”

She’s a cancer to hololive.

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>>40296540
Everything said about Mori can be applied to Bae and Ame.
They’re all cock lovers.

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>>40293936
Eat shit Zhangina.

>>40294362
Most of them are kids, and there's assloads of SEA chimps who never work anyway and a great deal of Nonna's from the femcel farm imageboard that are here to shit on men by default, since they're radfems.

What Gura needs to do is graduate, and apply for a small corpo. She can choose which one, and each will promise her whatever she wants. The point is she definitely needs structure and obligations, and a good manager - these are all things that small corpos can provide. Small corpos that had shit management are all gone by now. Even if a tiny, tiny fraction of Gura's subs follows her, be it 200k or 500k that's a gigantic amount of people and thus money. Gura literally cannot lose in the vtuber game. She is that good. She just needs to work for someone who actually respects her and provides support. Phase Connect is literally partnered with a Taiwanese 3D company that has excellent 3D tech for instance. There's plenty of options.

She can bounce back, and if I'm being generous this might've been her plan. She expected criticism. But she knew people will be more than willing to support her leaving once this horseshit became obvious. It's utterly irrelevant to me if she reemerges as HER or gets a new identity. I'm here for the girl no matter her avatar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40296690
are chumbuds all cucks too

[Anonymous No.]

>>40293866
>It was her and the rest of Myth that built HoloEN,
That's a weird way to spell Coco.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40296690
Ghosting and disappearing from her past life without warning or explanation only to suddenly resurface somewhere else as a blossoming star does seem to be her MO...

[Anonymous No.]

>>40292251
reality hurts,
i hope gura leaves leaves,
they basically lost their mascot.
good riddance Cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>40294362
Any other company in any other type of work would have fired them already for not doing their job. Yeah it sucks ass that your bosses are retarded mongoloids but that’s something tons of people deal with. Doesn’t mean you just get to take long breaks when you were already barely doing your job to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

qrd actually just give me the whole enchilada? what's happening

[Anonymous No.]

>>40297190
nice false equivalence

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>>40286400

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>>40296690
If she graduates she is just gonna join VShojo or the OTV crowd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40288766
Your oshi is a massive chumbud herself, chumbud

[Anonymous No.]

>>40297354
>nice false equivalence
How? This is their fucking job. You try going into work for about a 1/3rd of the time you’re expected to and see what happens to you.
The entitlement I swear to god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40290609
The HoloEN girls had success handed to them on a silver platter, so most of them never learned the value of hard work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286537
nah, gura actually left

[Anonymous No.]

>>40297654
Don't bother with these NEETs, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>40286580
All I know is that whichever small corp manages to poach her is going to win big.
Sucks for all the plans she had for Gura, though. Yagoo showed his true colors right when she got the weakest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40295842
>not having daily/weekly content back in the 2005-2010 period
I’m sorry you have such a niche shit taste

[Anonymous No.]

>>40298037
>all the plans she had for Gura
LOL
LMAO, even

[Anonymous No.]

>>40298132
It's fine if you don't watch streams anon, catalogbrowsing gives you far better shitposting material than actually wasting your time watching streams.

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>>40297021
While Coco (and Haachama to an extent) were responsible for the creation of the EN branch, Myth and ONLY Myth was responsible for creating the powerhouse brand that was HoloEN.

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>>40297561
>VShojo or the OTV crowd
I'd rather see her as an unapologetic whore than her staying in a black company. I dunno who the "OTV crowd" are and that's irrelevant. What is relevant is that small corpos have been on the incline for obvious reasons (Tempus, and now more Tempus) and the scene isn't as limited as it once was. You seem a bit out of touch when you say stuff like that. There are numerous options for Gura, and all are good. Idol, kawaii, Phase - all of them have their shit together and they will now start to grow EVEN MORE than they did. And for certain chuubas within these companies growth has been rapid as fuck within the last month or so. She has options and all of them are much, much better than this treacherous, ungrateful, sabotaging maletuber corpo.

>>40298037
Cover sabotaged absolutely everything she tried to do that was her idea. Slightly before youtube shorts became a thing she suggested to management that she wanted to make short meme videos - and they forbade it. She anticipated an entire trend that made many a chuuba incline and actually produced good content, and they said no. They are THAT worthless and obstructionist towards her.

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>>40298420
>COVID and ONLY COVID was responsible for creating the powerhouse brand that was HoloEN.
ftfy

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>>40297654
They don't really have a "boss" along with constantly demanding expectations from the company, as seen by the fact that there's Holo talents that stream less and still stay in the company. They're better compared to content creators...well, that's what they are.

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>>40297811
hey, yes she not streaming, but not left yet

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>>40298571
>She anticipated an entire trend that made many a chuuba incline and actually produced good content, and they said no.

Fucking seriously. The only reason I'm even aware of Filian and Lopi is because of the YouTube shorts algorithm

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>>40298589
>COVID and ONLY COVID was responsible for creating the powerhouse brand that was Hololive
ftfy

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>>40298996
>GTA V and ONLY GTA V was responsible for creating the powerhouse brand that was Hololive
ftfy

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Until Gura returns… I think I’m done with holoEN.

All this recent news is just either disappointing or infuriating, I started watching hololive to see cute girls so cute shit not this sausage fest and their pocket pussies.

Going HoloJP until further notice.

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>>40298291
oooh the mythical plans of gawr the great gura that never saw the light of day
>atlantis
>horror house still not finished
>queen cover

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>>40298663
>They don't really have a "boss"
They clearly do and it's called middle management.

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>>40299155
The closest thing I've done to watching EN is briefly consider watching Ame's Doom Eternal VODs but then I realized I should just play the game myself.

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>>40299204
>Atlantis
No one fucking plays Minecraft anymore and she made a good point on stream (not that you watch any) that after it's done, all any one will do is say "Oh wow, that's neat Gura, cool" and that's it

>Horror house
Same, except only relevant one time a year, maybe exactly for one year, and again, no one fucking plays Minecraft anymore.

>Queen cover
HoloEn denied her perms for the song but then gave it to Axel

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>>40286580
I would be happy for any girl who graduates at this point, Nijification is coming on full force.

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>>40299155
The recent off collabs with the EN/JP girls have been nice, but yeah, I generally agree

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>>40299204
When’s the last time any relevant member went on Minecraft? retard.

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>>40299713
Fauna's CCV is currently the second highest in all of EN. And Gura doesn't even stream so she might as well be considered the number 1 in terms of average CCV.
So yes, the most relevant member still plays minecraft.

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>>40298867
>Fucking seriously.
Yes. I don't have to say anything else since you said it yourself how useful those are, and how fun they can be. But again - this was BEFORE yt shorts were implemented as a format. She could've and WAS at the cutting edge and they told her no.

>>40299155
I'm completely abandoning Hololive as a whole, and have in fact done so months and months ago. Fuck JP, it's the Japanese who betrayed you, me, and us. Switch to the small corpo scene and be amazed at how good they are and what you've been missing. And unlike this treacherous garbage you'll actually be appreciated as a fan. It's time to bleed Hololive and Cover like a pig, not just cuck out to them by going back to JP. Every view, every cent, every like, just masturbates Tempus and Yagoo.

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>>40292057
>A rising tide lifts all boats
Sounds like a zhang phrase, be less obvious please

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>>40299916
Piss poor argument honestly

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>>40299474
It's about the streams making it, not the final product. Kaela cashed in mining shit for Atlantis.

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>>40300009
Solid argument from you also.

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>>40296675
Like proper women should be. Unicorns can rope

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>>40293096
Management failed them first, retaliation is warranted. Unless you a faggot cuck, then enjoy your goyslop.

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>>40299998
>a rising tide lifts all boats
proverb A strong economy benefits businesses and individuals at all levels. The phrase was popularized by US President John F. Kennedy.
Fucking retard, educate yourself.

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>>40300543
There's a reason we shot him.

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>>40297654
Gura has all the money in the world she doesn't have to care about sucking up to a shitty boss.

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>>40298420
Myth had such a strong start thanks to Coco and her simps heavily promoting them.

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>>40298571
>I dunno who the "OTV crowd" are
Gura does know who they are and if she goes on her own she will end up streaming with them regardless of where she ends up at.

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>>40300784
sometimes I wonder what would happen if the taiwan shit never happened, I like to believe that Coco wouldve been the perfect bridge between jp and en, to this day the only mori's stream that ive fully watched was the coco meme review

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>>40299474
>Denied her perms for the song
>Sorry guys this thing costs over 200k - Gura herself
So, is she lying or are you?

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>>40300543
It was first used by the Chinese. A president popularizing it in English doesn't make it better.

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>>40299474
oh, so just more cope and lies

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>>40299474
>atlantis
>horror house
>no one plays minecraft anymore
the bottom line is, the shark is all plans and no action
>queen cover
fucking axel put it out while mixing in some king lines which only took a couple of days for extra perms but the "biggest" holoEN cant?
and no, they didn't "give it" to axel, vocaloid song perms are lenient, pretty much anyone can do them
few of the JPs also put out their queen covers

once again, all "plans" and no action
meanwhile you chumcucks just eat it all up

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>>40299474
>No one plays minecraft
Kaela already gave her the material, retard, and also gladly to give more if it's not enough. And Moona will likely join if she just asked
>that after it's done, all any one will do is say "Oh wow, that's neat Gura, cool" and that's it
what did she/you expect? a medal from Trump/Biden? there are a lot of more outstanding MC project outside of Hololive, and they get nothing, but her fans will gladly watching her building the Atlantis, and in case you didnt know, that's her fucking job to entertain her fans

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Nobody actually gives a shit about Minecraft on EN.
That's the simple truth.
Playing it alone sucks.
Even JP Minecraft has fallen out of interest.
Kaela has autism and carries ID.

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>>40297037
I was always expecting to see Gura disappear for that reason, but I'm unfazed since I know she can't help but sprout back up somewhere else eventually.

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>>40303487
JP minecraft will probably be back next month.
Rust and Pokemon had just replaced it as the current numbers games. And this month they're still busy with new year's variety streams. But once there's no new flavor of the month game they'll hop back onto minecraft because it's guaranteed numbers.

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>>40303487
Minecraft alone is fine. The Fauna streams were fine. The problem is with other members who aren't creative enough to deal with an open world game.

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>>40286400
Anons...i just finished reading "Oshi no ko" and i think Gooruh might be in the same case as Ai...

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>>40288118
??? She dislikes her model and its retarded eyes, she stopped wearing her hood because it looks like a dick, she would be a lot happier with a high quality cat girl model.

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>wont build atlantis because no one plays minecraft anymore
building it will have at least 1 player in the server
building it means a series of streams for the fans
building it means a possibility of working together with other members
but she wont do it because the end result is just "oh cool", disregarding all the possibilities mentioned above while building it
this is what happens when one's success was entirely given for free

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>>40296690
Suggesting that Gura should graduate and reincarnate is insane but I think it would actually be good for her.
What's her relationship with the rest of HoloEN anyway? We don't see much of it. They can still be friends in real life but in character they don't really collab that much anyway.
And Cover has been nothing but trash to her.
Everything you say is true.
Gura on a smaller corpo would have more game permissions, more stream permissions to do anything she wanted, would be able to yab more, would get more merch if she wanted and wouldn't have to deal with anyone's expectations and burdens.
She'd literally be free to do whatever she wanted.

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>>40304452
Yeah, if she comes back as someone else she wouldn’t screwed by the music producers either, apparently they raise the prices sky high because she is famous and Cover doesn’t help at all at the negotiation table and leaves her out to dry.

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>>40292270
>You can put the blame of Hololive Production English on management on Cover as a whole
I always saw this as the Achilles heel of HoloEN; the nips are frankly too legitimately racist to bring themselves to properly care about their foreign branch. HoloEN was always going to be treated as a second class citizen, given only the scraps the nips deigned to brush from their table, and was therefore doomed to be squandered. There was no way a foreign branch was going to hit it's full potential under a nip company, who would always instinctively bristle at the idea of having to put in effort for subhuman gaijin.

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>>40303487
If only they could add a third female gen to give the girls company HMMMMMMMM
Oh wait, but at least now the holostars minecraft server will pop off! Clearly it's what everyone wanted.

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>>40299973
shut up nerd
im gonna stuff you in a locker

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>>40286400
Cope

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All the tears and cope ITT haha love it! Cover has made it clear. They don't want the unicorn audience associated with them anymore. Trying to appeal to you mentally ill fuckers has proven to be a complete dead end.

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>>40305172
Gura could just leave and graduate isn't she bigger than hololive according to cumbuds?

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>>40297654
Good thing EN management actively encourages them to take a lot of breaks.

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>>40286580
I was a chumkek but I really don't care anymore what happens to her streams or Hololive. I still like her and wish her the best, but at this point a graduation announcement wouldn't crush me like it would have a year ago. I still watch a few JPs but this homo shit and lack of enthusiasm has killed EN for me.

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>>40305172
>he doesn't know about female unicorns and how they're much more deranged than male ones
oh nyo...

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>>40286400
EN management is full of chinese fujo and yumejo. It was a matter of when not if. I will never forgive them though.

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I bet Gura HATES management posting as her on Twitter.

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Chump*dos cope general
Gura is fucking alright, her boyfriend's bbc is more important than streaming

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>>40297754
This is the real fucking answer and you are all cowards for not saying it

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>>40298037
Retard she's already just going to invest more in the other account, no reason to join a corp

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>>40286537
she knew

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>>40310832
>she knew

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>>40297754
Absolutely this.
No one here seems to understand the concept of complacency.

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I can't take all this cope seriously at all.
Kiara plays by the same rules as Gura, has less personal funds for her own projects, has no easy access to 3D, yet she still puts out original songs and covers at a very respectable rate, she streamed 300 hours more than anyone else in EN, she's constantly talking about learning songs and their respective choreos and she is right now in Japan to record appearances for future idol projecs.
Why can she do that and Gura can't? They shared a personal manager for the majority of their careers, so it's not even that. It's very telling that when Ina's parts for Animal in the NYE showcase were given to others, Kiara got most of it.

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You guys are litterally mentally ill faggots whining like women all the time. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

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>>40297654
Theres holo talents who streamed way less than Gura, I don't think the requirements is nearly as much as you think it is.

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>>40311326
When gura had Jenma seems things was going well for her, infact I'm willing to bet Jenma is the only reason why the animation came out the way Gura wanted it to considering she got credited and not Gura's actual manager

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So the new cope is that Gura knew Tempiss 2 was coming. She went on "sick" leave to avoid questions and mentions until the dust settles. She left early to avoid suspicion from the anti unicorns.

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>>40311722
among all the other things chumpedos say to themselves? yes

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>>40301311
>Source: my ass

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>>40304757
I agree with this. This is over-exaggerating a bit, but Jap management would rather die than let a foreign branch embarrass the home office by performing better. That's why foreign branches are generally hung out to dry
Like, what's even the point of having a foreign branch at all right
t. guy who works in a jap company with such a foreign branch
no, not a chuuba

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>>40311722
Obviously Ina and Council fled to Japan and are AFK because they knew what was coming.

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>>40312292
I believe this

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>>40286400
>I don't blame Gura for fucking off anymore.
same

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>>40311326
Kiara is a menhera who wants everyone to love her. Gura is just chronically depressed. I do not believe they're playing by the same rules.

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>>40311722
She already did it once with Tempus 6 months ago. I would not be surprise if she just went on strike and is playing chicken with management.
I do think Ina just decided the direction EN is going isn't for her and checked out like Sana did. Probably waiting for the big holidays to pass to declare graduation.

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>>40314610
what a like weirdly shitty thing that they put all of this effort into their characters and the company and that they genuinely do like hololive and the jp branch and just well graduate or collab with guys basically. original songs, the fucking animated video gura made bringing her character to life, just held hostage or taken away.

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>>40286400
Gura must win the marika cup, since as we know the winners get their wishes. Those wishes have been their own sololives so far, but Gura will wish for EN3 instead. She will save holoEN. She is our hero.

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>>40292057
a receading tide beaches the boats and stinks a lot.

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>>40292725
Do they finish the games? Getting perms is nice and all but if they last one or two streams out of a potential twenty i can understand why management would tell the girls to fuck off.

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>>40290609
what not a single unicorn friendly chuuba does to a branch

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>>40292653
Holy schizo these fags really mindbroke you guys

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>>40286400
she knew it was going to be bad

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>>40317013
All I want to see are tutorials followed by a SC reading. Thank you!

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Cumbuds are completely gone, sad to watch.

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>>40298571
>Cover forbade
You mean EN management?

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>>40317719
My most sincere apologies good sir, then it is indeed outreagous that they don't get more perms!

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>>40286580
HoloEN could be down to 2 members and this board would still talk about it more than HoloJP you all supposedly adore. As long as /vt/ lives, EN lives.

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>>40297754
This is the true answer. Seriously, they need to bring a black company staff to the EN management to set everything straight

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>>40291521
Not a man vs woman thing. I'm in a company of almost nothing but men and I'm the only one willing to call out how stupid some of the management decisions are. It's especially fucked because our management usually makes changes when called out.

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>>40318067
Well, we know what needs to be done.

[Anonymous No.]

Either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villian

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>>40318216
Die a villain and you'll be retroactively revered?

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TuckHoe161
#3857

Discord is discord?

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>>40305264
>Gura could just leave and graduate isn't she bigger than hololive according to cumbuds?
They are talking about HoloEN. HoloEN is in it's present state mostly because of one shork's absence...not counting the self-destruction handling of the male-collabs.
Why we need EN3. To help fill the void and hope for another Gura, Miko, Pekora, etc. or someone half as good.

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reminder

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>>40286841
Especially the troon they hired to moderate the subreddit.

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>>40286400
Honestly at that point might as well at least make a statement.
If you’re going to graduate, graduate saying you agree with your fans and that the direction of the company has been utter bullshit.
It’s what I would do anyways.
She’s a multimillionaire now. Give a final fuck you to the EN management.

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>girls refuse to stream
>people stop watching
>this is somehow holostar's fault
lol
lmao
xd

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>>40286400
No, no, no you retards. This is the real reason behind her absence. Remember, no matter how big you get, there's always a bigger fish waiting to snap you up.

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god I love chumbud cope

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>>40314989
We need to gather the 7 Dragon Balls to make EN3 finally happen.

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>>40286400
EN won't die if all of them stream

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>>40311326
shork hort

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>>40319415
That's me in the back, Jack.

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>>40318897
>company backroom chatter about turning hololive into mix gender ever since the fated omegay debut
>girls lose interest about why they even join holo in the first place
uhh the rrat grows stronger.

[Anonymous No.]

but for real, how high are the schizo levels on this thread?

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>>40322375

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>>40318897
Bro the same 10 girls have been keeping this going for two and a half years.

They need a fucking 3rd gen to take the role of 4-5 day a week streamers. This is why new gens are important.
The homo-faggots not only delayed the 3rd gen by 6 months + however long we have to wait now…
But the fan war from the homo collabs hurt the growth of the whole branch.

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>>40311326
Not all people are the same. Kiara might be able to handle abuse and shitty conditions better than Gura for some reason.

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>>40322616
The only way to redeem EN would be having the actual EN3 suddenly appear to steal Tempus 2's thunder like ID3 did to Uproar.

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>>40322375
From what I gather this entire thread has sprung up because there are male vtubers. It's like a parody of highschool drop outs that become methheads and spend all day arguing with imagined foes on Facebook.

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>>40323053
The problem is that both EN holo and stars are stuck with the same shitty management so they can't just debut two gens at the same time and they won't overlap themselves.

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>>40318746
based