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ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxH1sOCCpV4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFYS43HzkbA

Both passed 10k
I'm happy for both of them desu, not the number, ,but the fact they can collab normally

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>TOP WINNERS OF THE DAY - OCTOBER 2021

1) Korone (Hololive) - 71k - Birthday 3D
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 86k - 3D Concert
3) Hal (Indie) - 57k - CR lottery
4) Noel (Hololive) - 101k - Outfit Reveal
5) Fubuki (Hololive) - 72k - Birthday 3D
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 45k - Minecraft (ENxSubaru)
7) Subaru (Hololive) - 93k - 3rd Anniversary
8) Pekora (Hololive) - 26.2k - Mario Kart 8DX
9) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 53.4k - CR Cup Tournament
10) Luna (Hololive) - 57k - Birthday 3D
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 52k - TotsuClubhouse51
12) Subaru (Hololive) - 38k - Card Unboxing with Luna
13) Kanae (Nijisanji) - 54k - Outfit Reveal
14) Pekora (Hololive) - 36k - Minecraft
15) Naraka (Nijisanji) - 53k - 3D Debut
16) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 33k - Blazing Sails Niji Tournament
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.4k - Judge Eyes
18) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.5k - Summer craft championship
19) Suisei (Hololive) - 83.5k - Outfit Reveal
20) Subaru (Hololive) - 26.4k - Minecraft
21) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 63.2k - Survival Island End Stream
22) Pekora (Hololive) - 32.2k - Minecraft
23) Hal (Indie/Merise) - 45k - Merise Announcement
24) Miko (Hololive) - 65k - Sportfes Announcement
25) Miko (Hololive) - 32.7k - Minecraft (Sportfes preparation)
26) Rushia (Hololive) - 30.4k - Umamusume gacha
27) Pekora (Hololive) - 50k - Minecraft (PekoMiko)

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>>12090886
They’re basically going through what NoeFurea went through except the /u/ schizos for NoeFurea were way worse.

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>>12090971
QRD, I wasn't /here/ when NoeFurea was at its height

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>>12091027
Imagine unicorns, except gatekeeping a yuri couple.

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>>12090961
King... onegai...

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>>12091073
What is unicorn thing

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>>12090961
Can we get a list of second place as well?

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>>12090961
MC Sportfes buff is one thing
Fucking HORSE GACHA tho ...

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>>12091091
We need a special silver medal with his face on it.

2nd for 5 days in a row? Really?

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>>12089627
>tweet deleted
I saw a different tweet but that was also deleted now. whatever that was I hope Fubuki rejects it

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>>12091130
>Kuzuha
>Kuzuha
>Kuzuha
...
>Kuzuha
Yes it's real ngl.

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>>12091130
Stop it. If Yagoo notices we are listing second places, Kuzuha will lose his forever 2nd status too

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>>12091225
Recently, that is the case. But doesn't Pekora get silver on any day she streams something decent?

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>>12091130
Marine is coming back, kozuha can claim bronze

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>>12091238
YAGOO calls the entire Gen 3 to play MC

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On the smaller numbers side but inclining,
Hien Madoka keeps getting more and more viewers each singing stream and passed 1100 today.
Reminds me of HACHI's steady incline and would be worth following.

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>>12091293
All it does is reinforce that without a tournament he doesn't reach all the way.

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>>12091174
I'm gonna lose interest before a global version comes out...I have no RL friends to talk about it if I just play JP

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>>12091338
That is a good ratio for ccv to subscribers.

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>>12090961
hmm? i thought pekora didn't reach 50k?

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>>12091414
Tourneys count as collabs right? If he does APEX solo, he's guaranteed 20k+ at least. Other stuff like Bloodhunt/Tarkov/Conqueror's Blade/LoL he gets 10k+ minimum.

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>>12091181
>2nd for 5 days in a row
It's hard to carry the whole company alone, he could use some help but nobody is even close to his level. Meanwhile Pekora gets a 15K boost from Miko and her event.

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>>12091117
People would basically freak out if Flare or Noel collabed with another girl or flirted with them.
Not to mention Flare hated being referred to as the man in the relationship.

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>>12091468
she didn't, 49955

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>>12091509
16,713 watching now for Kanae
No 2 in Nijisanji is too far behind and they both boosted each other as much as they could.
Plus, they both like to collab with as many people as possible. As much as Kuzuha complains about meeting new people, he gels well with most.

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>>12091513
>Not to mention Flare hated being referred to as the man in the relationship.
Its mainly her image being the "cool" girl or handsome girl despite actually being one of the more feminine Holos. Didn't help that she used to have a deeper voice back then. She went from deep to high, the opposite of Suisei.
>>12091509
He's not alone. The other guys will catch up eventually. Believe.

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>>12091613
Should they reduce collabs with outsiders (Like Stanu, Shaka, etc) and increase collabs with Nijis or maintain the current way?

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I calculated the number of viewer income inequality of NijiJP. The bottom 50% of NijiJP members makes up 13% of the live viewers. The top 10% makes up 42% of the live viewers. The top 1% makes up 10% of the live viewers. Things get more even in the top 10%.

Compared to actual countries NijiJP isn't that bad. The Gini index is about the same as Austria's. I wonder how hololive fairs.

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>>12091682
Similar. The top in the companies are the top for a reason.

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>>12091492
Oh definitely, solo Apex he has a range of 20-27k I would say depending on the time and how contested it is. If I remember correctly he has broken 30k solo apex, but it's rare. My point is that it doesn't seem to reach the peaks that for example pekora gets solo in minecraft.

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>>12091714
Well yea, Pekora can hit 20k even without MC. Kuzuha has more connections though, so his collabs can give him a big boost like that recent Among Us thing he did. I think that was the second time he took part in whatever that event was.

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>>12091674
Nijisanji is tourist central, their name goes out way beyond their fanbase and that's where the big numbers come.

The entirety of Gen 1 had a collab today and they didn't reach 9k.
https://playboard.co/en/video/TikGkrdFLjI

Keeping it in the company doesn't work as well for them as for Hololive.

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>>12091338
How new is her company? She has a good voice I must say.

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Did something happen to Kiara's stream? Her views tumbled off a cliff whilst Mori's stayed stable.

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>>12091468
I'm just rounding off the numbers

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>>12091763
Those collabs help him but not the company as a whole. Gura has a lot of Gura only watchers but they are aware of her “supporting cast” and a certain percentage become fans of her genmates/Hololive as a whole. It helps that shippers and fanartists really boost ships and gen Unity. In theory Kuzeha has to capture some of that non Niji audience then pass some of that on to his coworkers. It doesn’t seem to happen though. At least not enough

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>>12091696
I wish I had actual data to confirm though.

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>>12091871
No idea, it's quite odd she dropped a ton while Mori stayed the same.
I try though, I really do try and give Kiara a chance, but every time, THE ACCURSED VOICE ARGH.

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>>12089627
any screenshots from this? it's deleted for some reason.

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>>12091981
She's European please understand.
>>12091871
The BOTS!

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I don't know about bots, but that definitely isn't normal.

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>>12092066
Her stream was lagging a bit for me but idk if everyone was getting that or just me.

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>>12091921
His coworkers aren't that interesting to begin with. That's what you get for allowing anyone and theri mothers to be a vtuber. I don't know about anyone else, but Nijisanji's recruiting department is not as good as it used to be.

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>>12091835
>Hien Madoka
Yep, she's great. Only been around Since Aug 2 now that you asked.
Suzuka Stella's been around for 9 months, also a great singer and apparently they're part of Megalight Production, whatever that is.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXB26PzV31k
3 million views in 26 days 15 hours or 639 hours. Average view per hour 4695, average view per day 112676.
King cover about to reach 10m views in under 2 months as well, probably a record that will not be beaten any time soon.
3 upcoming songs but 2 are on different channels. Will be interesting to see how they perform.

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>>12092066
Odd, and then she started climbing back up. >>12092139
That makes me think a node connection issue occurred and was resolved, but caused a hiccup in her numbers anyways.

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How many views did Miko add by showing up?

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>>12092147
They are. Kanae, Touya, Yashiro, Maimoto, Kagami, Fuwa, maybe Akina and Elbio. I personally don't see what Ibrahim offers besides a good design. His voice clashes too much with his looks for me. Nijisanji's recruitment is alright. Chigusa's batch are whatever but Eden-Gumi is good.

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>>12092218
15k or so?

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Been thinking, Raindrops sells a ton of albums but it’s under a record label and they have animated MVs for a lot of their songs makes me think that the production cost is pretty high.
Makes me wonder how much each individual gets to take home.

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>>12092218
Easily 10k+, if not more.
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/M1oMEOXWR1I
Miko appears ~27 min into the stream, and you can see the incline begin from a small plateau.

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>>12087269
isn't it an interesting timing the video was featured on xQc's stream, then suddenly we learn it got flagged?

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>>12092460
Maybe the increased viewership from a younger demographic flagged the video? It's hard to say, YT's AI can be pretty fucky when flagging this shit after all.
On an interesting note,there's a 6 man???? DBD collab happening later today, I'm really not sure what they're planning to do with 6 people, given you can only run 5 mans in customs.

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>>12091338
She does have a nice singing voice. Not that distinct though. For more numbers, she needs an original song though. It'll get her a chance to enter
Azki's Music Fest for EOP numbers. Although if that gets traction, it'll probably ruin her subs to CCV ratio

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>>12092256
Oh hey Nijinigger, glad you're here. Also, that track record is bad.

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>>12092684
>demographic
That's what I'm thinking, there's likely a certain threshold before the ai kicks in

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>>12091117
>One of the most archetypal and well-known traits of the Unicorn is its affinity for virgin women.
>In legends where unicorns were characterized as either fierce and untamable or as incredibly elusive, a virgin maiden was said to be the only one who could tame the beast or draw it out of hiding.
>In works where unicorns are epitomes of benevolence and purity, virgin maidens are the only ones the creatures allow close to them — or, in certain cases, to ride them.

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>>12092256
Aren’t the majority of those from earlier gens? Niji is already so huge and waves come out so fast, no one new has a chance to build their niche. Myth each had a strong identity early on, in a way Selen followed the same model. I can barely tell a lot of NijiEN and Jp apart now

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>>12092800
I doubt haachama has many kids watching her horror clips

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>>12093059
Most of their stars are from their earlier waves.
It’s why anons on this thread say they haven’t been able to make many stars recently.

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>>12093202
Yea...
It looked like Eden-gumi had the potential, but they weren't able to capitalize on the amazing debut buff they had and retain their numbers. They're still 'solid, and their SCs are on the better side for their CCV, but they're not the breakout stars that Niji needed.

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>>12093307
I feel like to the general audience the HoloEN girls are almost Flanderized but it makes it easy to understand what they are like and easy to sell in a short clip. Even Edengumis identities seem a little more muddled. The silly kayfabe stuff actually helps with this I feel especially early on before they establish their own streaming style

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* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>49,895: Pekora (Hololive)
>23,336: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>20,713: Kanata (Hololive)
>18,908: Toya (Nijisanji)
>18,775: Gatchaman (Indie)
>18,380: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>18,291: Botan (Hololive)
>16,700: Mio (Hololive)
>15,991: Nene (Hololive)
>15,311: Kizuku (Nijisanji)
>15,277: Fubuki (Hololive)
>14,180: Lize Helesta
>13,833: Matsuri (Hololive)
>13,219: Gura (Hololive)
>12,750: Tamaki (NoriPro)
>11,792: Sumire (VSPO)
>11,609: Calli (Hololive)
>11,321: Shibuya Hal (Indie)
>11,200: Kronii (Hololive)
>11,168: Kiara (Hololive)

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>>12093674
>14,180: Lize Helesta
Nijisanji, obviously

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kek, what is this recommendations...

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>>12091338
That's a new start-up with a healthy support team and growth. I saw their youtube ads a few months ago. Haven't watched Madoka, but the other girl reminds me of Matsuri when she sings.

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>>12093816
Ugh. Yea, that's not good at all.

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>>12090961
Pekora has 8 top 1, can she break the record?
Gura had 11 top 1 in 2020-10

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>>12093423
So what you're saying is that HoloEN's chu2 lore actually helps early on? Not disagreeing with you. Just find it funny that the whole lore thing which was considered a negative by most anons early on might actually be a net positive.

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>>12093976
It's not about the lore, but how the girls drop that lore is the funny shit anon
It's like the 2-koma before-after shit

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>>12093960
Sadly no, Marine's return and Mel's live will shut down two separate days. Unless she has a similar thing happen like today I doubt she can contest those days(30th and 31th).

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>>12093960
Unlikely, she's not beating Marine's return and even if she wins the 3 remaining days it's a draw. She also has to beat Mel's 3D live, which is not impossible for her but it might be pretty hard considering Pekora herself is in it.

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>>12094097
Wow, Mel might actually get top 1 in the last day.

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>>12091696
> similar
Not really, the distribution of CCV is more even in HoloJP. Gini index is much lower.

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>>12093674
Gatchaman actually went up to 18k?
This was during the PekoMiko meetup too.
I know he has a strong following outside of vtubing too, but goes to show that there's still a big audience out there outside of Niji-Holo.

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>>12094262
So in the previous thread there was a brief discussion regarding Hololives 1st and 2nd stringers. How exactly does /#/s differentiate first stringers from the 2nd stringers? Additionally, who would be the 1st, 2nd, and even 3rd string of Hololive?

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>>12093307
Do Edengumi even collab with eachother anymore.

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>>12094417
>#/s differentiate first stringers from the 2nd stringers
It's pretty random depending on what the anon feels is valuable to consider. Lately, this image has been used with variable cutoffs.
Even for median ccv, one can be jump from a 1st to 2nd, and 2nd to 3rd stringer pretty easily.

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>>12093976
Lore is a material. It's up to the talents to utilize their lore. Not having one just means that you have less materials to work with, and creative fatigue will happen quicker.

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>>12094097
>beat Mel’s live
>when Pekora’s one of the guests
>>12094135
Yup it’s Mel

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>>12094597
it shouldnt be impossible since its on mel's channel debuff but marine's there too so yeah mel's got that day locked

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>>12093674
Fair amount of representation across the board today. As a non-tribalist, I love to see it.

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>>12094472
Yeah, pretty often really, though not every week.
They did a call-in with Lain on the 19th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnKx7YKvrEU

Lain and Oliver collab a lot with other members, even outside NijiJP
Axia and Lauren are a tag team many times and Leos is the Korone of the gang, grinding kusoge but still being there for big collabs.

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>>12093976
I swear a lot of Nijis are just boys or girls in… regular clothes? Look at Kronii. Her design is ridiculous really but it makes an immediate impact and her character has a theme that can be used for endless fanart. She’s blue big boobs time girl. Her early streams established her persona and her voice acting skills. Boom memorable and easy to describe. Gura is a cute bratty shark girl. Mori is a rapping tsundere reaper, a concept so stupid I’m still in awe it worked. And so on.

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>>12094777
>>12094472
Oh yeah, one thing that always irks me about NijiJP
>This channel doesn't feature any other channels.
When they started, EdenGumi all had each other as featured channels, but they all removed the others in time.

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>>12094417
>>12094537
Here is the median peak CCV for the period for all of Hololive. I would say the 30 streamers left of Fubuki (inclusive) are the first string. The ones in the left are second string and Holostars are not part of this orchestra for the most part

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSw_0FmjmEE

Will this give Boogey Voxx an appreciable boost? They've gained like 900 subs since this frame went up, for reference.

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>>12094948
Here is the same, but for NIjisanji. A whole more top heavy

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>>12094790
Well, thats kind of what Niji marketed themselves as yea? Just streamers who use avatars.
Its why I think their males do well in Japan, as they basically ARE the male streamers outside of the few standouts like Jun and whatnot. Japan was slower to adopt the streamer culture that already exists in the west, so as streaming became more popular at the same time as vtubing in Japan, they sort of mingled together, mixed and you get the current streaming environment in Japan (NND is basically a dead-end site in the long-term for growth no?)
Its part of the reason I don't think male vtubers will take off in the EN market, because all of the good talents can just be IRL streamers as that's the culture, whereas in Japan its acceptable to choose to go the chubba route or be a normal streamer.

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>>12094965
It should, since I expect Mori to retweet this and likely mention it during one of her upcoming streams right before this goes live.
Now, if they can parley that into some long-term momentum or not, that's up to them, but if they can, and if they can tie themselves to Mori in the algo, then they're gonna climb.

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>>12095052
I think it was Mori who was answering a question about why they thought they would NijiEN level instead of the monsters they became, and she said she thought people would cringe themselves to death. For an idol company cringe isn’t really a problem they play it straight. For a male streamer playing to a western audience I’m not so sure. The most popular streamers have audiences that are at best ambivalent or are worst openly hostile of weeb shit though interestingly Gura and Pekora seem to get passes for different reasons

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>>12095052
I think you hit the nail on the head there, Japan didn’t really have much of a streaming scene.
The west has a HUGE streaming scene that is well established.
The point gets brought up repeatedly, vtuber avatar is a debuff for a guy if he’s already charismatic or entertaining in the west.

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>>12094965
They already got a pretty big boost from her with their RIP freestyle a year ago, almost at 1 million views.
Cali must have seen something she liked in them and her fans already have more material from these guys to go through after the song drops.
So yeah, they'll get a couple of thousand subs, and quite a few new regulars.

Intrestingly, Hisupi from Selejo also did a cover with them. The world's getting smaller.

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>>12095184
>Cali must have seen something she liked in them
They go way back. Not even doxshit, Mori has talked about it on stream before. Also not the first time that BGV have worked with Hololive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA7VacAKLlI

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>>12095116
People have distorted perspectives. Growth tends to be geometric so going from 100 to 1000 subs/followers etc is much harder than getting from 1000 to 2000. Guy who made the HoloMyth ED went firm 800 subs to over 2000 in a day. That’s an insane amount of growth and enough to get the algorithm to start circulating his content if he follows up. Even 5-10k extra subs will be great but the real prize is getting linked by the algorithm to Mori’s music playlist.

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>>12094948
A very strong middle class! Minecraft! Unity! Socialism!
Free advertisement! Non-stop shilling!

>>12094977
A very strong upper class! Apex! Competitive! Capitalism!
Only top dogs are recognized! Everyone else is irrelevant!

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>>12094948
>>12094977
Holy kek that's far worse than i expected. That niji top 3 is absurd.

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>>12095225
Wonder if management forbade Mori from collabing with her indie friends for a certain period. But it seems like she’s slowly building her own little artists circle through music, MVs, fanart, etc. She wants to be the cool mentor/senior she didn’t have.

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https://twitter.com/mazumaro/status/1453354582508146688
they keep getting free animations...
it's not fair

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>>12094948
>>12094977
Oh. Having it on visual helps, but having already looked at the lists I already knew Niji was top heavy. This is...yea. No wonder Niji loses top spot and top 10 most of the time, they quite simply just do NOT have the amount of heavy hitters that Hololive does.

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>>12095309
Hololive isn’t really Socialism sounds like their income structure is basically eat what you kill. But they are smart enough to know cooperation helps all the parties involved. Critically the company is small enough they can have personal relationships with pretty much everyone definitely in their gen/branch. You could argue Niji is already over the social limit where you can have a real relationship with the majority of the company.

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>>12095390
The retail cost of all these GMs animations is probably well over 6 figures by now. Hololive or one of the girls should get them to do official work. Rewarding them would encourage even more fan works to keep the positive reinforcement cycle going

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>>12095326
She’s getting to associate herself more with artists near her tier than her old artist friends who hated her for being successful, and she gets to profit off it to top it off.
Sounds like a win-win.

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>>12095599
>old artist friends who hated her for being successful
oh god it never ends
>Nene
>Fauna

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>>12095492
>Hololive or one of the girls should get them to do official work.
Gura (or probably the EN management) commissioned Dudul and an animation studio for something that will be used during her 3D debut.

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>>12095685
t. Dudul?

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>>12095685
The delay sucks but the hype for Myth 3D should bring some powerful numbers. Would Gura 3D best her outfit? How high would full gen 3D collab with Concert followed by twister go?

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>>12093674
>Hololive
11
>Nijisanji
9

Not a bad day.

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>>12095712
t. freelance animator who knows someone whose friends are working for that studio
The animation cartel is real, news travel really fast

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>>12095808
3d best her outfit?...Its possible, depending on the time they decide for it. Its gonna be BIG though, you know Cover is gonna make it a big event. Just hope it happens sooner rather than later.

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>12095835
Is this cope on the list yet ?

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>>12095835
>Mori drops -end of life-
>gains 13%

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>>12095649
There's been an update on the fauna situation anon. The schizo actually took her meds and has made up, become a member to fauna and everything.

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Haachama surely got this whole "#shorts" thing figured out

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>>12096191
Bet ya she's trying to go the Yuria route, hoping that having someone inside can get her a leg up for EN3

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>>12096191
>The schizo actually took her meds and has made u-
RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! These are the most likely to get back in close, take advantage of your goodness and stab you in the back from a vantage point

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>>12096191
>befriend and backstab
i hope it's just fauna tying a leash, and keep it at a level that bitch not expecting something in return

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>>12095395
Nijisanji grew too fast for it to even be possible.
Hololive waits a year+ now to add a new gen which leaves a lot of time for people to get to know the new members.

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>>12093674
Diverse top 10 I like it.

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>>12095325
This is how it looks when you account for number of streams.

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>>12096243
On the other hand, Kanata doesn't even tag hers #shorts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XU5ch3k78I

But still, the queen of shorts is >>12066273
>Houshou Marine - 16 over 1 million views

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>>12095649
Tell me more about Nene situation

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>>12092460
Do you have clip or time stamp

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>>12097588
clip time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrE5FC6bG4U

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>>12097588
>>12097807
wrong clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzghaiLu8G8
In short, an old acquaintance after many years messaged Nene "it must be nice living an easy life"

And yes, it's OtakMori. The guy will always be a scumbag, but that at least makes him VERY willing to translate these more serious moments.

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>>12095492
>Hololive or one of the girls should get them to do official work.
Not when theyre getting them for free

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>>12098435
On the contrary, Mori and Kiara at least love rewarding their best artists with commissions for their mvs

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>>12098638
part of the artsit circle love for holoEN falls into the respect or rather cosntant coperation and comissions the do to them.
Even if it is for only one stream like guras gardening or ame fis tank.

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>>12089627
the easiest way to get recognition and riches is to become a holo parent. I mean, just look at Ui.

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>>12090961
>Pekora (Hololive) - 26.2k - Mario Kart 8DX
this was the fucking stream that cursed Kuzuha. from the broken capture card and barely edging out the"king", she mindbroken him.

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>>12098435
Nah the possibility of doing official work, or even direct communication/collaboration with your oshi could motivate them to make even more great art. They are a sensitive bunch, but while they will flip out if they feel their work is being stolen, they also are usually very grateful for praise, attribution, and engagement.

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>>12099696
Vtuber avatars not only pay well, you are basically guaranteed regular work and for most smaller artists its an absolutely massive in visibility which means a direct increase in commissions and commission rate. It's life changing for some of them. Look at Nabi

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>>12100100
You know that reminds me, why do some Nijisanji artists not want to be credited.
Iirc Nina's artist is not listed.

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>>12100193
Nijisanji does most of their designs and rigging in house. There are exceptions of course.

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>>12100100
Do we know how does Cover audition parents? We know that Pochi got in because of Iofi but what about the other ones?

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>>12100100
Which is also interesting because they don't overlap parents in the same branch from what I remember.

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>>12100419
I mean artists don't really need to audition, professionals have a public portfolio (and reputation). I assume they either use their professional contact info or they use a referral and negotiate a contract. Most Holo parents have multiple corporate contracts under their belt and it becomes a small world once you get to the top of the anime illustration world, everyone knows each other, even if only by reputation.

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>>12100561
hmm, I wonder how the selection process works and how they design the characters. I know Nene mentioned that she worked with her mama and chose the chink outfit original.

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>>12100383
That seems like a huge wasted opportunity. A top of the line avatar, unless you go for someone really big like Kuruboshi, Huke, or Wada (or Ina, heh), is still only 10-20K, which is basically nothing. That's a puny investment to get a bunch of free advertising and fanbase crossover. If you get lucky you get pakopapa who becomes a legitimate holofan.

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>>12100700
It’s because their model requires them to pump out a ton of vtubers and in turn, models.
They don’t expect their vtubers to all be a success unlike current Hololive.

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>>12095808
>Imagine if she got the Roberu treatment
I can already see the hell flame from and screeching of thousands chumbud for the next 5year

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>>12100994
Ah that's true. Someone was saying the other day that Ina probably did the Uma Masume cover art in a week. Like no, she's fast, but no one is that fast. Naoki did survey and most professional illustrations require 30-50 hours of work, an avatar is even more work than that. They just take a ton of time to make well. See also K-sons avatar. She had huge Kson fans working on it nonstop but it still took months.

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>KIARA, DON'T LOOK!

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>>12101189
I just hope she will not comment on this or some clippnigger will spread it, schizo flame it, and it further damage her growth like a clockwork

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MASAKA!
>ONE GURA
>TWO GURAS
WTF IS EVEN GOING ON?

Are they trying to bury something on the NijiEN side?

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>>12101281
Gura and her DBDautism..

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>>12101281
lots of collabs this week

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>>12101281
man there are no good scary games now days

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>Speaking of NijiEN
Here is their full day as measured by Mado.

Selen is so far ahead it is not even funny anymore. It is also clear that Selen brings her own audience, Pomu brings half her own audience and everybody else shares from the same pool.

Reimu, MIllie, Petra and Rosemi struggling hard to abandon the 3 digits zone, with mixed success

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>>12101189
She won't be complaining about being the last to hit 2M subs for at least 2 or 3 years

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>>12101281
>>12101402
I'm glad that council is here and we got a motivated Gura as a result of it. motivated Gura is a number monster that will push EN and JP's numbers even higher.

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>>12101486
Yeah, at this rate Selen has more 6k+ streams than 80% of NijiEN have 4k+ streams.

>Reimu, MIllie, Petra and Rosemi struggling hard to abandon the 3 digits zone, with mixed success
Millie has pretty awful game choices and Petra and Rosemi were always going to be the ones hurt the most by new additions.
I'm surprised Nina got 2k twice this week with DD2 ,which is pretty great for Ethyria, but she streams for like 10 hours so maybe that's moreso due to lack of overlap

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>>12101402
After that she will take a brake until the sportfes

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>>12101402
the shark finally getting serious?

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>>12101281
Poor Watson will be overlapping two big collabs and Ina with a kusoge.
I wonder if she'll be able to break 5k CCV.

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>>12101652
she has been pretty serious ever since council debuted

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>>12101486
That Nina girl really grind hard. I guess she figured out the niji success formula from early on.

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>>12101655
Little Nightmares 2 isn't a kusoge, but it's zzzzzzz
Should still be better than Outer Wilds.

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>>12101674
Oof I mean even with the relative successes how do they grow when HoloEN is shitting out literally dozens of clips a day? Holo fanartists get more engagement than NijiEn. Seems like it will be near impossible to get in Youtubes good graces.

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I feel like a lot of Hololive's success can be attributed to unity. From Sora to loving all her kouhais, including the Holostar branch, to helping out the less successful girls by including them in a promotion with more successful girls. Niji is simply too big for everyone in the company to actually know each other personally and that's why they can't box push properly. In their next gen, maybe they should do what gen 5 did. They should focus on inter-gen unity that will evaluate everyone instead of focusing all their attention on one person.

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>>12101655
Just after 2 hours

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>>12101868
>I feel like a lot of Hololive's success can be attributed to unity.

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>>12101868
> Niji should do what Holo does
Niji and Holo don't overlap much. They are both doing fine. 200 CCV is enough for the livers.

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>>12101486
Honestly considering the sort of game that is, Pomu did pretty well going up against overlap. Nina retaining that many viewers for Darkest Dungeon isn't bad either. Reimu seems really dead in the water though.

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>>12102002
... Is it? I mean it's enough to survive but do you really think they are happy with that? Some of them haven't even quit their day jobs yet

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>>12102175
Holopros tend to be try-hards. Nijilivers tend to be part-timers. Vtubing is a side gig for the livers.

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>>12093674
Gen 1 of vspo beat gen 1 of nijisanji, fucking grim man

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>>12101674
if she hadnt wasted first week onw atchalongs she might been near 100k

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>>12102243
>Vtubing is a side gig for the livers.
im pretty sure they would like that to not be the case

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>>12102600
They have openly and explicitly stated that they would like to quit their day jobs

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>>12102363
What are the general power levels when it comes to VSPO anyways? Ichinose > Sumire > Noah > Nazuna > Emi > Qpi > the rest?

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>>12102600
>im pretty sure they would like that to not be the case
>>12102644
>They have openly and explicitly stated that they would like to quit their day jobs
Is that what it feels to be poor?
>I wouldn’t know

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>>12102644
> We want to transition from part-time contracts to full-time workers
Then they should have negotiated for better compensations with AnyColor. The company makes millions each year out of their vtubers, but the vtubers can't even do this full-time since AnyColor doesn't give base salary.

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>>12102664
Qpi used to be close to the bottom but has been getting good numbers recently.
Hinano and Ema are probably way higher though.
I guess we should pull up playboard.
let me gather the numbers real quick.

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>>12102735
to be fair, they would need to carry their own weight first. it's harder to do that when there's a huge viewership discrepancy in the company. this is where the magic of hololive boxpushing really shines. "low tier" holo members can stream full-time without suffering much loss. it's a positive feedback loop where success breeds more success if they play their cards correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

man i wish i was a hololive girl

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>>12102837
> company is bad
No, the chuubas need to prove themselves and stop depending on the company's support.
> chuuba is bad
No, the company is restricting the talents from realizing their full potentials. There's not enough support.

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Top kek, these poor girls must look at Anya as some sort of goddess and aspirational role model.
>that scuffed thumb
At least she got paid, right?
>right?

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>>12103021
damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. what CAN they do?

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>>12102837
Other than Mel, is there any other Holo who still has another full time job?

Ina, Sana and Mori are technically freelancers now, just like the multi-streamers.

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Ina back at her slot, back at being uncontested, back at 11k

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>>12103033
>scuffed
That's SOUL

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>>12103013
hell, even being in the homo branch you'll still be part of the top 100 vtubers list.

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>>12103103
That she did that despite the heavy lagging is a testament to building your slot.

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>>12103129
>there are 16000 recorded vtubers
>holostars the failure branch is in the top 100

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>>12103188
they're only "failures" by hololive's standards. I think even they could live off the revenue they can from streaming albeit not as comfortably as the girls.

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>>12103336
If the rough estimates are to be believed, Roberu would have made 20k$ per year from Sc, 10k$ from ads and, by most accounts he's had over 2k members for the last year since it's started.
It's not amazing, but an above average salary without counting merch, sponsorships and whatever base salary they get.

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>>12103099
Mori isn't a freelancer anymore

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>>12102664
>>12102750

Let's see how the VSPO table looks in text... no, awful, it's in an image now,

Here's the list based on avg ccv

Ichinose Uruha 5,598
Kaga Sumire 4,282
Yakumo Beni 3,754
Kurumi Noah 2,860
Tachibana Hinano 2,650
Aizawa Ema 2,560
Kaga Nazuna 2,117
Shinomiya Runa 1,527
Tosaki Mimi 1,272
Hanabusa Lisa 1,129
Kaminari Qpi 1,048
Asumi Sena 629
Kogara Toto 567
Kisaragi Ren 558

BeniSex...

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>>12103824
I wonder if Cover uses the money earned by the girls to help the boys incline?

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>>12103188
>1% out of 1600 is 160
>Hololive alone takes the lion's share of the slots
>the remainder are just hyenas, vultures and chimps being fighting for scraps
>HoolrStas somehow still get in
How does it make you feel?

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>>12104039
Nose's incline has been pretty fierce

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>>12104320
That number also includes the outfit reveal for her, but i've seen her get 5-6k regularly since, so it's not inflated much.

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>>12104282
being part of the company will make you rich, even by association i.e holoparents and riggers. not even mention collab partners

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>>12104079
the boys 3d is fucking amazing and their merch also is nice

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>>12100193
Nina's artist is listed (soubin), but Reimu's artist isn't listed. Can't remember who it is right now, but off the top of my head someone found their Twitter and it was all porn, so they might not want that to be associated with their vtuber work.

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>>12104506
no offense to the boys but I think Cover lowkey uses them to test out their new 3D techs. If it looks good on them, then they will implement it on the girls.

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>>12101486
Nina inclining. Seems she found her timeslot

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>>12104435
And they know this well. Hence why the EN are really carefull about collab. Dont wanna leaking those number to some rando who'll not have any significant of association in the long run.

[Anonymous No.]

is it possible for niji to reverse the situation and make a comeback? they used to be the leader while hololive always played second fiddle and now it's the opposite.

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>>12104856
Number wise they got over taken hard by holo but profit wise, they dont clash with each other. Thus anykara will not give a crap unless it threaten their company profit.

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>>12104856
reverse what? as far as japan is concerned niji is the mainstream acceptable one while hololive pads its numbers with gaijins

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>>12104934
>>12104938
so they're just being complacent just because they're on "top" right now?

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>>12104854
Another thing is that HoloEN has been doing a lot of collabs. Irys's sched are all collabs except for 1 unarchived karaoke. They are all EN collabs too. People used to say the Myth girls are autistic people that don't want to play with each other. It turns out, they just lack enough players that would be interested to play.

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>>12104980
No. Their sponsors, audience, and bussiness direction just dont clash with each other. So no need to pay much attention to the other. In fact, both are ofthen collab with each other to show their dominace over the rest.

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>>12104938
Here we go again with your BS. HoloJP gets more local sponsorships since the beginning of 2021. Even fucking Ina is getting recognized in a local artist award.

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>>12104856
It could happen if EOPs ever get tired of Holos.

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>>12105075
There is no spons that Holo gets that would not choose Niji instead if Niji was more popular. Lol. They do the same things. FPS, concerts, let's plays and whatever.

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>>12105075
>No. Their sponsors, audience, and bussiness direction just dont clash with each other.
the business world is cutthroat. if you're not thinking of taking the other person's piece of pie, your slice will eventually get taken by someone else.

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>>12105246
A number of spons that Holos have now were actually Niji spons like that baseball thing. They intersect a lot. Holos are just easier and safer to use and way more popular in totality.

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>>12104532
Damn... I want to know Reimu artist pixiv now.

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>>12105075
>both are ofthen collab with each other to show their dominace over the rest.
No. Anykara trying to flood the market and filled it with their chuubas. They even go as war as created a fricking academy to train their livers. They want all the market for themselves like these anon said >>12105339 >>12105246
But a lot and the big kind of the sponsorshis are given to holo these days. Idk what kind of relationship they have but im sure anykara isnt dumb enough to ignore holo's massive incline on their way to take over their dominance over the market.

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>>12101281
Selenfags getting uppity lately

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Gura, Mumei, Kronii and Fauna will play Devour. Best CCVs individually on the best timeslot. What are your predictions. I wouldn't say this a debuff game since it is on theme but they doing a multi-POV unlike what Roboco and Botan did when they played this game with the top tier holos like Pekora.

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>>12106780
Split POV basically means everyone will get their normal numbers.
Gura > Kronii > Mumei> Fauna
Gura has almost 3k waiting with 30 mins left.

The DBD one afterwards will be interesting since only 5 players can play at once so someone will sit out (spectator + in-VC with killer) so we could be seeing some funky looking charts.

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>>12094417
I'd say everyone left of Suisei is 1st string, Kronii to Fubuki 2nd string, everyone from Polka to Reine is 3rd string, and Loafy and below is the practice squad.

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>>12100700
There's something to be said for stylistic consistency. All the Niji EN girls look like they belong in the same LN, anime, or game, even though they technically have separate artists. Prevents anyone from ending up with the dissonance of Sana or IRyS. Weirdly enough Myth all mesh really well together but something went of the rails on the Council design process and you get subtle and intricate designs like Fauna/Mumei, a cartoon like Bae, whatever Sana is, and a zany gacha outfit like Kronii.

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>>12104506
I only see people shittalk their 3D.

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>>12101621
Gura would have long since realized Council is no threat to her. The top two don't even seem interested in capitalizing on their initial popularity, Fauna is the type who's ceiling will always be Ina's level, and the other two are so stacked with debuffs they're gonna struggle to keep their heads above water.

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>>12107636
I agree with Sana but then again she's the most willing to try out a variety of streams so I wouldn't be surprised if 1 them giver her a viral hit. Bae is all about timing. Her guerilla streams and collabs brings her a lot of good numbers. She's going to do a podcast with Irys and Mori so there's that too.

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>>12101674
She's working hard and has a more interesting and "gamer" oriented taste in games than your standard vtuber does. You could say her past baggage may have hurt her but it also put eyes on her when wave 3 debuted, while the other three have done fuck all to make anyone care about them.

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>>12107636
Gura doesn’t care about threats she never seemed to care about being number one. If anything she constantly downplayed it

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>>12102735
What leverage do they have? "I'll quit if you don't pay me more..then you won't get any of my cut of...$10,000 a year." Good luck.

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>>12107911
Potentially bad PR.. Anycolor gains a reputation about not supporting their bottom talents.

[Anonymous No.]

any nijien stream during this holoen devour-dbd collab?!

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>>12108768
Only 3

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>>12107816
Gura hates being on top. She's motivated to stream more now because she finally has more people to be friends and play with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12105117
>muh sponsorships
Sponsors are retarded, look at Youtube Japan instead. They know what is trendy in Japan and what's not and so far it's overwhelmingly Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12108857
>Elira sub 3 digits
damn she reclined so hard.

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>>12109798
,Nijiniggers still believe that. Saddd

[Anonymous No.]

>>12109538
She finally got saved from the daisenpai curse. Even Sora finally has people more openly interacting with her beyond the flanderizing.

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>>12104821
Nina's timeslot = every hour Selen is not streaming. kek

>>12107468
First off, Reimu and Nina have a markedly different style to Millie and Enna. But as always its about how the streamer uses it. If you look different from the others around you can use that to stand out, if they all look consistent they can use that to push unity.

[Anonymous No.]

>12109798
>YT Trending Cope
Falseflagger-chama...

[Anonymous No.]

>>12109947
SC reading

[Anonymous No.]

The usual 40k - 50k

[Anonymous No.]

>12109798
>Sponsors are retarded, look at Youtube Japan
Hello Google trend anon kun, been a while since your last visit

[Anonymous No.]

>>12110000
Nina’s time slot is when Americans wake up so it can end before Russians go to bed; obviously trying to fit both in.

She has been making decent enough money for a NijiEN. In pic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12110485
Respect it, she's in it purely for the money, but she's putting the work in to get it. Hopefully no more stupid nonsense like Kson/Coco thing and she'll keep climbing,

[Anonymous No.]

>>12091682
the bottom 15 chubas contribute 12.43% of the total while the top 4 chubas contribute 22.87%. GINI coefficient is 0.3314. This was back in June and using avg ccv

[Anonymous No.]

>>12110625
Interestingly enough the coefficient almost becomes zero if you only account the middle tiers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12110485
I'm just laughing at the mado pic since nina is there every single hour except the 5 selen was streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

Gura not breaking 20k+ rip her median is already 20k flat.

[Anonymous No.]

Gura - 16.0k ccv - 53k views
Kronii - 7.5k ccv - 24k views
Mumei - 5.9k ccv - 22k views
Fauna - 4.7k ccv - 16k views
kronii x mumei big ccv difference, very close views

[Anonymous No.]

>>12109962
Nijiniggers still live in 2019, please undastan

[Anonymous No.]

>>12108227
They already have a reputation for not supporting their bottom talents, because they don't support their bottom talents. Not much of a threat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12110957
She still has the dbd later right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12111172
6-man dbd yea, which means someone's gonna be chilling with the killer in VC most likely?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12110972
This game didn't really need multi-povs and we know collabs don't bring in SCs unless you are Mori or Kiara. The jokes would have been a lot funnier if Gura was the camera-man for the council.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12111383
I don't know what you watched before, but their version has proximity chat, so multiple pics is very useful

[Anonymous No.]

>>12111383
>This game didn't really need multi-povs
yes it did

[Anonymous No.]

>>12111638
>>12111652
The only thing that makes this interesting is the jumpscare in their POV.

[Anonymous No.]

Home 3d later for rushia. Predictions anon.

https://youtu.be/UAg5_pdST4g

[Anonymous No.]

>>12111991
the game uses invoice chat is far funnier to listen to everyones scream in invoice chat

[Anonymous No.]

>>12111993
wouldn't expect much, but since Kanata got 20k, also 20k for rushia

[Anonymous No.]

>>12112184
I take it back. Hearing Kronii screaming and loosing her head from Fauna's POV is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12105486
People think Reimu's artist is this guy, since she follows them but has no clear connection. The artstyle does look similar.
https://twitter.com/PantsToFutomomo
Not sure if they have a Pixiv, but you can find their work on other sites under the name npa (sirokurokuma).

[Anonymous No.]

>>12111993
SC wise at least top 5 for today.

[Anonymous No.]

Can Gura break 20k i wonder? Seems unlikely but i do hope so

[Anonymous No.]

>>12112805
Dbd yes. But this game is kusoge so no

[Anonymous No.]

>>12112805
In dbd maybe and if she is killer.
This one is hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>12112267
Kronii's POV is just her moaning in pain on the floor

[Anonymous No.]

>>12112805
>Devour and kusoge horror night.

How horrifying

[Anonymous No.]

>>12112805
Those nijien number isn't their peak right? No way they didn't get at least 1k peak before down like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>12113219
Halloween time indeed

[Anonymous No.]

>>12113308
Big holo collabs usually debuff the numbers of NijiENs with fanbase overlap but Oliver already is over 1k for this collab. Yeah he is jp but he may as well be EN for this. Finana is rising on numbers at the moment but elira and millie won't go up since it's supacha reading and kusoge horror

[Anonymous No.]

>>12113214
If it is a multi-pov. I prefer watching the other person rather than Kronii because that girl is hilarious in other people's POV. Especially in MC. She knows how to RP very well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12111993
25k but superchat will be through the roof

[Anonymous No.]

>>12108768
Niji is also having their own Devour Collab
Lauren with 1.2k

[Anonymous No.]

>>12114056
>Same game as HoloEN
>Same TIMESLOT as HoloEN
Ouch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12114056
Oliver = 1270
Finana = 999
Bon = 282
Mika = 211

Wtf are these numbers? Surely they do get higher than this right?
I ain't mocking btw, just curious

[Anonymous No.]

>>12114056
>SEA is too busy watching/shitposting holo collab to give attention to the IDs here

more ghost pussy for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>12114265
Oliver and finana get higher numbers during solo streams. Bon and mika are cursed with being ID

[Anonymous No.]

Will Watame's album (when it comes out) do just as well as Still Still Stellar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12114265
Jesus Christ. Combined that’s less than Kiara. Mid day NA. Playing Skyward Sword. Part 8

[Anonymous No.]

>>12114411
Damn not even Anya get that numbers. I think those are numbers on par with the lower tier Holostars

[Anonymous No.]

>>12114773
well this is a collab so the numbers are usually lower, Mika and bon get around the same as anya thanks to getting buffed by EN collabs + selen buff

[Anonymous No.]

>>12114711
No.
Watame simply isn't as popular AS A SINGER as Suisei is, and Suisei basically shilled her Album for almost half a year+ before its sale.
It'll probably do fine, but its not gonna sell near as well as Still Still Stellar did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12114869
I'm going to be honest, most of the songs in Watame's album were mid as fuck. At least suityan albums have some ok songs so i'm more inclined to buy that instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>12114869
Is there a metric where Watame is as popular as Suisei?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12114869
Didn’t Suisei sell 20k units in Japan alone? That’s like 550k revenue right there without overseas sales or streaming, to say nothing of her concert. For comparison she’s made 650k in superchats lifetime. Watame’s not getting anywhere near that but that’s more of a credit to Suisei than a knock on Watame

[Anonymous No.]

>>12115156
>>12114869
We are talking about sales here. Not views. Watame's merch deals gets sold out very quickly just as much any top tier holo. You bet your ass that all the people that have been sending her thousands and thousands of dollars because she exists will buy her album in tenfolds because they know it will make her happy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12115310
You make a good point. I wonder how well merch sales and SC will convert over to album sales though. When is her album being released?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12115153
mentally unstable audience who resonates with the sheep

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>>12115485
I don't know man. Her fans sends her SCs because they know she wants to use those funds for her music. She says it all the time. Sales is a big drive to support a person. Her fans know this so people will most likely buy her album just to pump up those numbers. Many of her fans have deep pockets. It doesn't really matter if you are popular as a musician. What matters is if you have actual paying viewers that can support your efforts. I'm not saying Suisei has less. But Watame just has more of that.

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>>12115737
Anyone that is willing to spend more than $100 on a chuuba weekly can be placed there. Everyone of these girls have gachikois. Even the low tier ones.

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>>12116052
What is this, a pre-order ranking?

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>>12116052
Imagine how well Suisei x Calli original song can be.

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If I use multiview in Holodex, which channel does my view contribute to?
>>12114314
SEA should be busy with school and work now. Can you be a NEET in SEA? How do they get money

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>>12113569
Oliver's also a guy so less overlap with Holos and female vtubers.

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>>12115892
>Watame just has more of that.
What makes you say that?

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>>12104320
Nose's able to pander/keep her unicorns/gachikois while also playing with dudes. People say Noah is GFE but Nose does it so well.

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>>12116221
Gawr Gura of Hololive song...

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>>12116077
the sheep's fanbase is different. it's actually like a cult.

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>>12116660
A cult dedicated to not watching her MVs it seems

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>Moona, Risu, Reine and Mori collab cover
Could be interesting for numbers

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>>12116052
$50 for a fucking CD

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>>12116429
Probably because Watame got more SC than Suisei. Which is obvious since Watame spent a long hours to read SC while Suisei doesn't care about SC and encourage her fans to buy merch instead.

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>>12116740
Three IDs and one EN? Mori workin

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>>12116773
2 CDs and a T-shirt.

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>>12116773
Pretty sure that one comes with a shirt, poster and stickers

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>>12116712
Suisei has mass appeal while the sheep fill the niche of emotionally damaged people. why do you think she figuratively cries every stream.

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>>12116773
2 cd and a t shirt, the tee has the cover art on it

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>>12116740
Chill down Mori

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>>12116871
>>12116872
>>12116920
Seems reasonable now

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>>12116799
And yet pic related is a thing

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>>12115310
no they will not, her singles doesn't even chart on daily unicorn singles, merch being sold out is nothing new almost all holos is like that.

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>>12115153
suisei is like twice or even thrice more popular when it comes to music.

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>>12117580
Speaking about merch numbers.

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>>12117747
why the fuck suisei's one at 6k

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>>12117420
Why do you use a stream that was months ago? You don't want to use their after talk streams after their concert?

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>>12117747
Prices came down, which makes sense since they’ll be taking orders online. If they were a limited series it would’ve gotten ugly

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>>12117747
Scalping prices again?
>>12117820
Likely because Suisei is "IN" right now, if these are reseller prices.

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>>12117910
to fit his narrative ofc, how new are you?

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>>12116740
bet 1mil on 2 weeks? could be longer then that, unless they post it on mori's channel (which doubtful since its moona project)

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>>12117910
>Same type of stream
>Same time
>One hour vs however long Watame milked it
And yet a clear winner

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>>12116740
The vocals.. damn, where do I find this?

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>>12118053
It's KDA which will be a significant numbers boost (like Villain was). I think it could hit it in a week.

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>>12118053
Eh moona channel is good for MV's nowadays, with 3 best holoID singer it's possible for 1 week imo

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>>12118002
It's a better way to gauge the demand for merchs rather than just saying it sold out quickly.
This is from around April.

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>>12118502
bluewoman strong

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oh btw
>Moona’s POV is replaced with IRyS because of IRL duties
what are the numbers now?

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Nijisanji numbers

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>>12118743
Is this for the SportsFes? If so, is Moona still participating?

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>>12118878
Yes, she will still participate but only during her matches

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>>12118743
Depends on White C I guess, If it's not Gura then I think not even Ina can match Irys maybe?

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>>12117820
Because Suisei is popular

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>>12118962
I think Ina said in her stream that she won't be streaming her pov but didn't elaborate further.

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>>12118743
IRyS is 8k - 9k median so better numbers than moona atleast.

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More gacha shill streams

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Mori's schedule for songs

BOOGEY VOOX & Mori - Crown
>29/10

Moona, Mori, Risu & Reine - Cover
>30/10

Mori's 14th original song
>31/10

Mori's 15th original song
>November

TAKO INOUE & Mori - Yona Yona Journey
>12/08

Mori's 16th original song
>December

There's at least 2 more original songs being produced at this moment. She probably will release it in early 2022

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>>12119667
Aren't we getting an EN collab cover in November

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Soon

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>>12118123
Is KDA still a strong buff? They havent got a fire MV/song outside of that first one.

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>>12118743
Baby/niece sitting again?

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>>12118785
Having a 4-person Devour stream at the same time as HoloEN's is unfortunate timing.

Also, I might be misunderstanding something, but Petra is just live-translating for Pomu right?
Why the fuck are there 2 frames?

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>>12119621
>Miko/Marine
I hope they put something in the fridge.

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>>12119621
Oh lord they are bringing out the heavy hitters for this one.

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>>12119972
Don't think so, possibly because of school because she won't have scheduled streams at all during the next week because of midterms

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>>12119746
Idk, I'm losing track of what she's doing

>>12119667 (me)
>There's at least 2 more original songs being produced at this moment

Correction: There's just 1 more song already confirmed for 2022. She mentioned a while ago that she had 5 tracks already done and she would be releasing new songs monthly. End of a Life was the first song.

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>>12117747
I still point and laugh at Cover's incompetance of letting this shit sell out in 15 minutes everywhere. They couldn't get more than 20 produced?

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>>12116740
>>12119667
So my theory of Mori with HoloID last night was correct >>12092711
While the song choice is meh, it will be amazing for Mori to grasp even more of the Korean market. for herself and HoloEN. Nailing / Transforming G-Idle's rap into English will be the emphasis of this cover.

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>>12120379
where these retards come from?

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>>12120379
>cover
It's on Donki's side

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>>12118785
Feels bad for the guy under the Gwelu line.

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>>12120379
Thats not covers fault they didnt make the merch they provide the chuubas.

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>>12120407
>it will be amazing for Mori to grasp even more of the Korean market
nijiKR bros... how's holo doing this? They don't even have KR branch

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>>12120483
Still funny they had no confidence in Cover. It's telling, they probably regretted the collab.

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>>12119667
So that's where she put her 95% game in

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>>12120678
Retard, why would anyone regret having sold out merch?

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Yeah they regretted the collab so much they open online pre order for the plushies.

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>>12120667
In theory, if Hololive put out a KR branch, how well would It do?

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>>12121114
Same as the ID branch

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>>12120678
I'm glad you're not in a position of power in any company if you have retarded takes like this.

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>>12121114
The real powermove for HoloKR is if they can get a KR person living in Japan with okay singing/dancing & could speak ENG/JP

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>>12120746
And? It just shows how little they thought of Cover since the impression Cover gives the japanese people, due to not being that popular in Japan, is not one of confidence. The collab was probably very cheap and unimportant. It just shows that Hololive really is an afterthought of the scene.

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>>12121114
Mid tier HoloJP tier

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>>12121114
Worst than holostars

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>12121308
Okay, how can we add this one to the list?

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>>12121114
Please don't. I don't want Hada and Seffyna sad...

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I bet you guys still gonna reply to the retard

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Makes me wonder why NijiKR didn't try to capitalize on the sudden interest in Korea in vtubers.

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>12121308
Add this to fucking list anon.

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>>12121443
Seems novel enough, but I think you could roll this into a sponsorship-cope rather than adding YET ANOTHER line to the list.

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>>12121515
>sudden interest in Korea in vtubers
They're interested in HoloEN, not their own vtubers

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>>12121114
if cover make an KR branch, isn't it gonna make ina and kroni in a awkward situation?

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that's a new cope, right?

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>>12121443
I think it's the same anon that argue sponsorship not important but YT Japan is, like this one >>12109798

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>>12118785
Do you need 2 pov for a vn style game?

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>>12121515
Foreigners are cool and local talents are cringe.

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>>12121786
>awkward
Nah, the new KR members could leech ina and kronii

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cam on irys get that usual 4k

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>>12121308
are you retarded?

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>>12121308
Take your meds

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>>12120678
If anything it would be cover who would regret the collab, the plushies are so fucking popular but they have to share profit with donki

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>>12121528
How about making a schizo list as well ?

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>>12122117
her delay is horrendous

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and now he's samefagging
kek

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>>12121515
It doesn't work like that, just because some vtubers are popular doesn't mean you would too if you hopped on the trend.
The ID branches from both companies show that just making a branch where there is an interest in your main branch talents doesn't automatically translate into success.

If anything, it was pretty miraculous that HoloEN not only became successful, but expanded the overall fanbase massively.
There was no guarantee that EN audiences would stick with them over continuing to watch JP talents. Burgers were clipwatchers from the start anyways and there was no way of knowing if they would watch HoloEN streams.

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>>12121565
>not their own vtubers
they just hate nijiKR lmao

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>>12121528
I actively pad the list to make it look longer. Then again it's partially their fault.
Not sure how you would word that though, that's a new one.

NIJICOPE LIST
>building a sub-culture
>slow and steady growth
>merch sales
>no longer showing off their achievements on their page because they have shown more humility
>percentages
>tournaments don't count
>fortune telling
>volume
>averages
>total CCV during primetime
>trailers are ads
>Google trends
>Holo EN was a desperate gambit
>Holo's forcibly acquired audience vs Niji's natural growth
>stop picking on midgets! fight someone your own size!
>pit Vshojo against HoloEN when you're losing
>pit HoloEN against HoloJP when you're losing
>pit former Holo against HoloJP when you're losing
>Holobubble is bursting
>foreign buff/global audience bad, muh local Nips good
>YouTube Japan trends
>Apex will only get more popular from now on!
>flexible creative freedom
>Holo's restrictive management will cause them to eventually graduate
>Cover uses bots
>Hal is honorary Niji
>Kson is honorary Niji
>Nijisanji fans are more passionate about their livers and will leave dislikes to show their engagement
>Sponsorships are retarded
>Hololive's merch and sponsorship bad because companies underestimated them which means that they don't care about the cheap collab

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>>12122442
>Hey, look at how profitable it is to carry hololive merch
Naw. It''s telling other stores there is profit to be made.

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>>12122442
they can still make a line for the talent's mascots. I think those would be equally, if not more popular. I'm still waiting for a palm sized takodachi plush that i can put on my desk.

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>>12121994
No, Petra is just there as a translator because Pomu doesn't know Japanese.

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>20k on the shork for DBD

Good job sharkie.

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>>12122820
But why are there 2 frames instead of Petra just watching Pomu's POV and translating what she's reading?

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Numbers

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>>12122903
Yea, sharkie killer = VIEWS baby.
>>12122915
Why else? Gotta pump up your own metrics, a single POV would make more sense...

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>>12122903
Killer view bias

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>>12123025
>Why else? Gotta pump up your own metrics, a single POV would make more sense...
This is why people say that NijiEN doesn't have unity.

They even split the Uno collab.

Why not take turns hosting a single POV instead? Are they really afraid that they get lost in the competition?

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>>12123014
Holodex is kinda late in counting, Gura was already 22k for a little while

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>H-holoEN is saving Hololive and the JP branch! Myth is more important than any of gen in the company!
HoloEN are midgets save for Gura. HoloJP is so much stronger.

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>>12123123
Gotta have your own POV to get donations.

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>>12123123
>This is why people say that NijiEN doesn't have unity.
LMFAO this is retarded, no one says this.
Unity is literally all they have, "NijiEN Chemistry" cope is a real thing you know?
They're just stupid when it comes to numbers, like splitting the Pico Park collab for no reason.

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>>12123014
>among us collab
>the lowest
>DbD
>mid position
sapplings?

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>>12123271
A collab is bad for donation baiting tho.

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>>12123014
>Enna has sub 1K viewers for Night Delivery
Is she reading superchat readings during that or something? Night Delivery is a buff game, isn't it?

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>>12123264
>Yeah they aren't carrying HoloJP lmao But
Ina and Kronii aren't midgets in CCV they can get 10k+ sometimes even without collabs and MC
A lot of them gets decent SC especially Sana, Kronii and Kiara

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>>12123417
Ya and I think Millie is in VC too.
Not sure if she broke 1000 at any point, but she's still playing the game.

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>>12123264
if only EN thots had some good taste in games AND japanese variety show level entertainment skill

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>>12123358
Poor fau fau kept getting murdered early in the Amongus collab, so she just just vibing as a ghost for much of the collab.

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>>12123447
Learn to ignore bait next time, especially something as lazy and retarded as that
You can bet this nigger was going to say all of HoloEN were midgets if Gura wasn't getting 23k.

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>>12123483
Ame is getting dangerously close to getting mogged by Selen. Even with a "gimmick"

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>>12123264
I thought HoloMyth was so strong that they could hold the entire company hostage during contract negotiations and ask for whatever terms they wanted?

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>>12123546
superchat reading.

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>>12123483
Selen is close to being stronger than many HoloEN livers. It's only a matter of time.

>>12123557
It's HoloENfags being left behind and not understanding that HoloEN is a drop in the bucket. HoloJP livers carry the company.

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>>12123593
Ok then, carry on.

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>>12123610
No way, cutting off HoloEN would be the death of Hololive, imagine all the sponsorships and viewers that they'd lose.

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As soon as a selenfag appears retarded shit starts.

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>>12123702
>cutting off their 4th most popular branch by CCV
They'd be fine you narcissist. HoloEN isn't a big deal overall. Gen 3 is more important than that entire branch, a couple of cons and Taco Bell don't change that reality.

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>>12123610
What's this bizarre 'what if' anyways?
If something really bad happened that would require cutting off the EN branch, Hololive as a whole would suffer, and it COULD lead to a massive decline if the reason was bad enough to tar Cover as a genuine BLACK company, not the meme bullshit that gets thrown around here.

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>>12123830
Except Hololive wouldn't have gotten the game-changing Nissin sponsorship without HoloEN's existence.

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So now that shitposters can't use Niji anymore, you guys resort to trying to pitch Holo branches against each other again, huh?

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>>12123918
That was in the works before HoloEN you retard.

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Can't tell if samefagging or just newfags being too retarded and chomping on bait

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>>12123992
Some of both.

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>>12123969
Of course...
Numbers don't lie, NijiJP is very heavily lopsided and none of the international branches are big except for Bora and Selen (relatively speaking). So what do? Throw out more JP vs EN bait, and if that fails, JP vs JP.

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>>12123978
>source: my ass

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>>12124087
We're going to timeloop so hard that we're going to go back to the /jp/ days of calling Watame and Kanata a leech on Coco.

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>>12123264
>HoloJP is stronger
Mel...
Aki....
Choco...