/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>9749675
ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/ (RIP)
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

>>9749142
And how many of those 18 have 3.38 mil subs? Accept that Gura is overrated and is an over-all disappointment numbers wise.

>>9749778
Someone who superchats to one vtuber is not going to superchat the same exact amount to everyone else they're subbed to, this argument is stupid.

>>9749778
Why are nijiniggers like this?

>>9749778
Uhhh, you can just press the sub button without having to sc.

>>9749778
Holy cope

>>9749891
Don't judge them too badly it's all they have.
Watch he's going to post the 6th of August image next

I've always wondered - what does "Count" column on Playboard mean for superchats? The amount of unique users? The amount of unique superchats?

>>9749778
>over-all disappointment numbers wise
It's funny you say this while mentioning how she has 3.38mil subs in the same post, literally 2x the 2nd most subbed holomember.
Dramafaggots really got blinders on sometimes.

How many nijis have sold out nendroids and in what time frame? for comparison.

>>9749778
The fact that her numbers makes people like you seethe this hard is easily the best part about Gura's numbers. You can't even play this as being retarded on purpose just to bait, her success is clearly triggering you, her image living rent free in your head, sucking up all your neet freetime as you scramble to find anything to attack her with. I hope you keep doing this forever, i love it.

There's no excuse for Gura getting less sc than Kiara. Her fans are either kids or impoverished SEAniggers.

chumbuds is the easiest fanbase to farm (you)'s in numbers thread holy shit. Go to sleep you kiddies.

>>9749778
Because this number is completely useless, that's why. Gura is definitely not going to get what a linear projection of live viewers would give for her sub count, literally fucking never, and the more subs you have the worse this gets. It's actually an exception for a high sub count streamer to have a higher CCV than a low sub count streamer. Of course you can point out Kuzuha, but everyone knows he is kind of a number monster already, and is precisely one of those in the exception category. Besides, by being a 3+ million sub channel, Gura suffers even more from this. YouTube is just a garbage platform for CCV comparisons when talking about livestreams.

you know, seeing the anniversary stream numbers, i'm thinking that it's not that holoEN numbers are declining, but it's just more HoloEN viewers starts to not mind missing some streams, and will still watch the streams at a more comfortable time for them.

>>9750910
So Ina, Calli and Kiara allowed to celebrate during weekend boost them more?

Such a lovely sight, no place for LGBT flag

>>9751088
Allowed? debut date anon..

Yeah, and the west doesn't have as much of a NEET problem as Japan has. It's no coincidence that the EN numbers started declining as soon as the lockdown restrictions were loosened.

Meant this >>9751217

For this >>9750910

>>9751133
Hasn't AI been stuck at that sub count for months now?

>>9749142
Why did Mori get left off this list when she has 55k more SC than Kanae?

>>9751133
>still hasn't reached 3mil
Ai-chin....

I'm sorry for posting piyo will be back in a week for no particular reason.

>>9751314
Yes

>>9751205
debut date? Ina goes first you cute dum dum.

>>9751133
Dead subs galore

>>9751336
She shows up as a music artist on playboard, not a vtuber, so she gets left out of the vtuber lists by default. You have to manually add her in.

>>9749142
I think Gura actually just surpassed Subaru today.
But looking at this list, it is pretty crazy to consider how much money Kiara and Mori have accumulated when you take into account how much less time they've had than the rest of that list. Lamy obviously being very impressive as well.

>>9751464
Nijicope

>>9751485
Subaru will be back at no.16 supas in holo consider her anniversary is coming.

>>9751373
Your post was worth more than 90% of the posts in this general, who cares

>>9750838
So basically like Fubuki before EN is a thing, high subs, boost the vod views and ccv(?), but low supas compare to the rest. Being famous (in subs) can help the whole holo community, unlike supas can't do shit to help other members.

>>9751571
She wont be able to maintain it if she releases an anniversary merch.

>>9750838
No

>>9751582
I'm not the dev of piyo

>>9751485
Top 20 Hololivers SC-wise

>>9749675
>autograph signing stream gets her almost as much money as her outfit reveal
Nene using her idol experience is kino

>mogs Gura in CCV
>mogs Gura in VOD views
>mogs Gura in SC numbers
What the fuck is the point of subs if they don't watch you or even pay you?

>>9751883
> That April dip
Do you have the charts for Pekora, Marine and Gura?

>>9750695
You keep lying to yourself saying "i'm only doing it to farm (You)s" but that's just a coping mechanism you're doing without even realizing it. You are genuinely mad that some anime shark girl is having the success she's having, wheter you realize it or not.

>>9752168
You already point it out anon, Kuzuha can't do shit to boost nijisanji.

>>9752014
I can tell why the fuck would the dev post here

>>9752168
>mogs Gura in VOD views
>mogs Gura in SC numbers
Don't make me kek
He streams more than three years
Gura will supass his SC soon and Gura's average VOD views mog him

>>9752168
>What the fuck is the point of subs

>>9752278
You just proving his point by giving him (You)

>>9752320
In your dreams. Not only Gura is below Kuzuha in monthly SC but also Kanae and almost all of Edengumi: https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-superchatted-all-channels-in-worldwide-monthly

>>9751883
Yeah I know that, I did say Kuzuha was within the exceptions, but you definitely did not read that. Come back to this board when you can read more than 3 lines, single IQ tribalfag schizo.

>>9752364
>caring about the opinion of tabloid sites
Do Holobronies really?

wow SEAhours comes early today huh?

>>9751133
holy shit, can Gura hit 4 million subs before Ai hits 3?

I'm sure nobody in the west knows shit about kuzushit kek

>>9752168
you can't unblack your father anon...

>>9752569
Since when was the west important? Even HoloEN, the "genuis generation" can't beat JPs in CCV and Superchats lmao. JP is the only region that matters.

>>9752489
Subs are what the vast majority of people care about the most and the main factor that makes a channel successful or not, and attractive to sponsors.

>>9752657
Hmm well Amelia Watson beat all of the JP VTubers yesterday though?

>>9749675
>29k for Ame
Damn, is this because fans are paying Ame back after knowing the anniversary stream's fund by her alone?

>>9752168
>High VOD views by streams 10+ hours
This is the pathetic numbers when kuzushit only streams 1~2 hours

>>9752657
(You)
See the all time superchats for and there are 3 ENs in the top 20 in just a year. While the entirety of nijisanji has 2 of them.

>anon lies
>anons reply
>continue
>repeat
>for
>fucking
>ever
GET ME OUT OF THIS TIMELOOP

>>9749778
You are right.

>>9751336
>>9751467
Setting the account as an Artist channel helps with the presentation and engagement on YouTube Music
If you are subscribed to Mori's channel you also are subscribed to her YT Music channel
Example: Mori has 1.68M subscribers on YT Music and Suisei only 20k

That also allows her to create multiple channels (Example: Mori VOD, Mori Stream and Mori Music) for content segmentation and still have an Official channel that automatically agregates all the content

>>9752721
>Vast majority of people
Since when was the opinion of the vast majority important to 4chan? What's next; you're going to tell me that Iphones are the best in the market or that Avengers is the best movie franchise of all time? Rumao

>>9752657
>Anniversary stream of the most "popular" Holo Gen
>Have about 9 million subs among themselves
>only 70k CCV
Rumao. Nijis only had 3 million subs among themselves and they got 250k viewers. Get fucked Holofaggot

>>9752489
Man, you're so retarded it's not even funny. If I were you I'd be contemplating the worth of my life with how braindead you are.

You think the people in this board (let alone this thread) care about tabloid opinions? This is about public perception. To the world, which is vastly uninitiated, this is one of the first few things that will be brought up and that is what will be ingrained in their minds.

Just why do you think Gura has so many subs and members that do not seem to watch the other Holos?

>>9753000
whoops meant for >>9752763

>>9752970
So that is why Mori's channel total views is that high, YT music's views will also be counted.

That guy doesn't even read anything that actually disproves him and continues to spam the same shit. Eveyone keeps replying to him though, and I wonder how much of the infamy that Ninifans have on this board came from that retard specifically.

>>9752657
>JP is the only region that matters
Cool, you can just talk about jp and stop seething at Gura's numbers since her numbers don't matter right?

>>9752200

>>9752657
>Since when was the west important?
Since the west gave HoloJP the push it needed to catch up with Nijisanji and now surpass it, and now Nijisanji is trying to get that same western audience but failing at it.

>>9752489
We call that coping

>>9752657
What are you talking about,nijinigger?
Mori is no.14 all time SC leader in 1 year
Kiara is no.20 all time SC leader in 1 year
Gura is no.23 all time SC leader in 1 year
Gura's 194k(Coco's 491k is a whole company collab) still a personal best

>>9753000
>Since when was the opinion of the vast majority important to 4chan?
Anon, you're not seriously trying to imply the opinion of a few mongoloids on 4chins matters more, are you?

>>9753170
Typical westerner tooting their own horn. You are nothing. Hololive owes their lives to the Chinks, the Chinks were the ones to raise them from irrelevancy. The West is nothing, heck, the West is slowly getting bored of Holo already, which is proved by the talents getting lower and lower CCV over time. Compare that to the Nijis are all but surely and slowly inclining because they know that pandering to the Nips is the only way to go

>>9753260
EN is garbage, kill yourself virgin fuck.

>>9753324
LMAO fucking cope

>>9753260
>all have at least 1 mil subs each
>heck, Gura has at least 2x as much subs as the next person
>only 14th, 20th and 23rd
And what point is this supposed to make? That the West don't support and superchat as much as the Nips? Well you've made your point rumao

>>9753302
>chink bugs
>mattering
rumao

>>9753324
Anon...

>>>/jp/

>>9752200
Download the "chat_stats.csv", it'll be faster and comprehensive for individual channel perform
https://www.kaggle.com/uetchy/vtuber-livechat?select=chat_stats.csv

visit holo.poi, find the channel and visit their youtube to get the channel id (in the url)

>>9753324
Usually people respond by lying with cherrypicked numbers, but this is just pathetic LMAO

>>9753302
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

HOW IS THIS GUY EVEN IN A NUMBERS THREAD MY FUCKING SIDES AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Thanks anon. You're the best, and I actually mean it, this is quality shitpost.

>>9753324
The absolute state of Nijicope

>>9753324
Meltdown, your meds anon

>>9753324
Anon please, at least post some fake argument like you usually do, this is just disappointing and pathetic.

Someone should start up a counter of how many times this thread gets baited.

>>9753324
based keeper of gates

>>9752837
Just checked and it's real. So his monster VODs are because of his 10-11 hour long streams kek

Enjoy the freakshow with popcorn in hand.

>>9753324
Holy meltdown, but no keep staying mad, it's fucking funny to see dumbasses like you cope and seethe over Holo's great numbers.

>>9753000
>Since when was the opinion of the vast majority important to 4chan
Since when does 4chan contribute significant numbers?

>>9751336
Official artist channel, is counted as music rather than vtuber

>>9753260
>EN doesn't have 3D and multiple live concerts still get big SCs
EN chads I kneel

>>9753324
Mindbroken by numbers kek

>>9753302
Nijiniggers, more like nijizhangs lmao

>>9751133
LGBT flag? Thats a new one

>>9751485
Mori and Kiara are absolute monsters in terms of SC.
Not even Gura with her way larger audience can keep up with them.
I doubt anyone in EN2 will get into that league either. Only Kronii has a chance but I somewhat doubt that she can maintain this level of SCs in future months

>>9753302
Damn didn't know Hololive Moments browse 4chan.

>>9753975
Maybe tell gura to pander more on her paypigs and give long superchat streams.

>>9752101
Wow, Coco has like x2 more videos than Rushia. That’s probably why she gets more SC

>>9753489
>March to April Unique members.
>Ina 37k to 6k
>Gura 60k to 10k
>Ame 37k to 5k
>Mori 45k to 5k
>Chicken 43k to 4k
WTF happened in April. I'm guessing the data is fucked?

>>9753119
No, music views are counted on a separate channel (Mori Calliope - topic), they aren't inflating the number that you see on Holostats or Social Blade

>Mori Calliope - topic
https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCT6fzkIIQuAQIiJK3tt-keg

>>9753161
WTF live chat just proportional to subs

>>9753280
4chan is the only place where Nijiniggers can get attention. Please undastan

>>9754144
https://streamlabs.com/content-hub/post/streamlabs-and-stream-hatchet-q2-live-streaming-industry-report
Wonder if it has to do with YouTube's massive drop in CCV and total watch hours?

>>9754144
Oh uniqueMembers, that's unreliable. They started counting them on April. The previous publication/version on July didn't have that column

>>9754144
Those are the months of least activity on YouTube.

>>9754193
Yes, the topic counts its own numbers, but Calli has the artist label so it will add into her main channel.

>>9754304
Didn't they move to reddit?

>>9754270
It's broken because of Gura, if you exclude her, the top 5 determines the actual trend of holoverse

Mumei doing kuzuha strat boosting Fauna numbers rn

Chumbronies have to cope with numbers that don't matter at all. All they have is VOD views (even though Kuzuha was mogging Gura in that area before she released her cover).

>>9754990
Gura's numbers are grossly over-inflated that ignoring her numbers get you a more accurate over-all representation.

>>9755182
Gura is fucking losing and a 2view if you just discount all the numbers.

>>9754759
Barely anybody posts there

>>9755142
>Playboard
RUMAO

Here's one for the unity folks.
Is it just me or is the artstyle for Lize's anniversary merch very similar to a certain Space Avatar's? This is a resale for old merch tho so it's way before said Space Avatar's debut.

https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1437622164006522881

>>9755385
It's not news that the two companies share artists. Korone and Shellin share a mama as well as Hayato and Rikka , as well as more I can't give a shit enough to remember. Korone's mama also did a NijiVR boy

>>9755385
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000239.000030865.html

>>9755142
Don don don don don!
Which vtuber has most vods that above 1m views
Don don don don don Gura-chan!

Here's the all important reddit numbers
Shojo- 25k members/71 online
Niji- 36.6k members/221 online
Holo- 538k members/6.8k online
Please keep these numbers in mind next time you want to send someone 'back' there

>>9755619
>VOD views cope
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>9755529
True, but in this case, it's more like Nagu drawing art for Nijisanji official merch, rather than just sharing parents.

>>9755609
Oh shit, these are rubber mats for card games? Gotta go out and buy the Ange one

>>9755619
She has 33 vods above 1m views now

>>9755682
But she did anon-chama
https://www.suruga-ya.com/en/product/994976028

>>9755776
He's comparing the two anonchama.

>>9755142
>numbers that don't matter at all
Kek, why does CCV matter when it just shows how many people sit in one place at the same time? And btw update your image, your king is reclining even with all these tournament buffs and 10hrs+ stream.

>>9755776
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000101.000030865.html

>>9755776
Mindblown.
Thanks for the history lesson, anon.

Still asking myself why the biggest holo streamer when it comes to live views, Pekora, is almost always left out of the discussion. The holofans ignore her because muh subs and the nijifans ignore her because cherry picking, bunny ends up getting ignored.

>>9755860
Then you missed /#/ 5 months ago

>>9755809
CCV matters because it shows how many people are actually willing to watch a LIVEstreamer while they are live. Also, only LIVE audiences can give superchats, so that's also a plus for CCV. VOD viewers don't give supers (save for free chats but those are another story)

>>9749778
Usada Pekora is 100000x better and makes more SC and has more viewers. Stop scapegoating Nijisanji, chumfaggot.

>>9755860
You missed the August "Pekora is reclining" arc when she was getting her average CCV numbers while Kuzuha and Gura were popping off in CCV and VOD views respectively?
Pretty shit time so you didn't miss much. She just shut those shitters up with her recent Jump King arc.

>>9755860
Because we can agree that Pekora is the only legitimate equal to Kuzuha. Gura on the other hand has more nuances that has to be debated

>>9751133
Wow, Gura and Ai have so many subs they must be getting more viewers than Kuzuha. Meanwhile in reality:

Crazy how someone brings up a topic when the thread is slow and suddenly the Kuzuhashitters come flooding back all at once.

>>9755860
Yes, holobronies are ignoring her, we don't want to involve the hardworking rabbit on these shitposts. Then, there's Marine with her numbers as well.

>>9755886
Technically superchats can be given in prechat if it's open. People do it all of the time.
Also I want to add that VTubers are both love streamers AND YouTubers, so CCV and VOD views do matter for different reasons

>>9755879
5 months ago is lot of time. Last week bunny made 60K+ by playing a kusoge so I thought everyone would be talking about that, but it was still >almost all shitposting.

>>9755951
>Meanwhile in reality

>>9755860
Pekora is by far the best, and I watch mostly nijiEN. She is objectively the best female vtuber, and the male one is Kuzuha or Hal.

>>9755886
All metrics and numbers are important when we provide content, but look at this thread... (sigh)

>>9756002
So we're doing meme events, huh? Pomu beat that. Regardless, Pekora and Kuzuha are miles ahead of any EN shitter.

>>9755951
HAHA I already knew the date on the image before I even enlarged it.
It's always August 6th.

>>9755951
How many times is this faggot gonna post this celebs-leeching stream?

>>9756079
it's not always one day. it's all the time. Here is July.

>>9756002
>Gets numbers by showing cat ears and rhombus rigging.
> Gets some of the most famous e-celebs in japan still is 50k behind.
>Nijiniggers still say muh numbers better than yours.

>>9756000
If you believe even half the IPs in here actually give a shit about discussing numerical trends then you need a heavy dose of meds

>>9755886
>CCV matters because it shows how many people are actually willing to watch a LIVEstreamer while they are live
Do you ever consider the people that want to watch it but can't at that time? VOD views show how many people actually want to watch it and ads do play a big numbers in their revenue

>>9756061
Anya and Iofi already got 400k+. Try to beat that.

>>9756061
Holy shit Pomu I kneel

September, Pokemon. Would you like more?

>>9756130
Likes have been my favorite metric recently, real world, and they are pretty engaged

>>9756171
>Gwelu beat EN2 collab
just stop talking, holofags. you lost to Gwelu and it isn't even his 3D yet.

Kuzuha and Pekora is the only proper comparison:
>both get similar CCV
>Pekora has a slight advantage in scs
>Kuzuha has a slight advantage in VOD views and watch time
Bronyshark should be left out of the discussion. She's irrelevant.

Why does this thread have such a boner for Nijisanji but NijiEN gets so little views?

Yawn

>>9756002
>Lame rigging outfit reveal vs Massive celebs collab
Who will win?

>>9756247
That celeb has 300k CCV. Collabing with Kuzuha is a debuff.

>>9756205
No one in this thread watches Nijisanji or understands the context of their noombers and streams, but me and maybe 2 other anons. Whenever I post actual answers/corrections and non tribalfag shit I rarely ever get replies and anons continue to reply to shitstirrers who repeat the exact same things for several months, several times a day instead

Losing to powerpoint presentation... I can't..

>>9756130
>Why should we give a shit about people that won't even bother to support their favorite chuubas physically (as live viewers) and financially
Gee, I wonder why

>>9756202
Kuzuha or ShibuHal are the best males. Pekora is the best female, by far. There is no one else close.

>>9750128
>>9755951
I fucking called it

>>9755656
Let's start with (You).

>>>/back/

>>9756205
What >>9756336 said.
Real Nijifans don't bother with numberfagging or doing daily rankings because they know it's a lost cause when it comes to comparing dick size.
Niji events still get big numbers and Kuzuha is a beast, but every time you bring up his Yamada collab, Gura's costume gets brought up, then Koshien 2021, then Coco's graduation. Anons then shift the topic to if numberfagging graduations should be allowed...etc.
It's such a boring timeloop and derails these threads into shit.

>>9756202
And yet you can't stop bringing her up. Bet you will mention her tomorrow as well

>>9756205
NijiEN is not Niji, they are Hololive lite. Riku flubbed their EN branch because they though only the Hololive model works in the West. Heck, Finana talked about how she was denied a loli model because management thought that it would be too much for Western sensibilities, not knowing that Loligumi is one of the most popular Nijigroups in the West. In short, fuck Anykara, I want my loli cunny in NijiEN.

>>9756505
I literally posted 3 different months of Kuzuha data. Pick one.
>>9756544
wait a month.

>>9756505
This is then immediately followed by the "pomu koshien" shitpost.

>>9756573
I really am not personally excited for this one given there is a possible that Lyrica could be behind her

>>9756573
Why would I when you keep pushing koshien's numbers as pomu's numbers?

>>9756205
There's like 1-2 anons in these threads that actually watch nijisanji streams, the rest of the "people" that use Nijisanji don't care about them except as shitposting material. Some of these schizos like the vyt sperg have been doing it for years.

>>9756649
Outfit reveals are a company thing, not an individual thing. Noel got 140k, is she as big or bigger than Pekora as a streamer?

>>9756389
>Oh no, you have to sit through the whole stream every day like an autist to even consider as supporting their oshi
Meanwhile, you can just save your SC whenever you got the chance to watch your oshi live.

>>9756649
But Koshien is Pomu's numbers retard. Is she not in the stream?

>>9755951
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/search/image/3LYb6dTf9R4Wm41Hs3GsRA/
This is an obvious attempt to dragging nijis name to the mud. Remind me of /jp/ hlg thread and that indog.

>>9756701
>I can just throw money at my newborn child and not have to actually physically and emotionally support them
I assume this is also your logic, retard?

>>9756713
LOL She's literally not. She's less involved in that stream than Gura and the rest of Hololive in Coco's graduation.
Not that it matters to your shitposting.

>>9756573
> ESL VA
Yea, she will definitely be popular among the EN speaking communities.

>>9756713
But Coco's graduation is Anya's numbers retard. Is she not in the stream?

>>9756771
>These numbers count because I say so
>these don't because I don't like them
Big numbers > small numbers retard. Facts don't care about your feelings

>>9752168
>>9752837
Got a cope for this?

>>9756726
I bet that's an actual nijifag, too passionate for a third-party shit-poster, monitors daily numbers and even archiving past ones.

>>9756696
>Noel got 140k
She got that CCV is because of Miko's comeback stream right?

>>9756726
cope

>>9756713
She literally isn't

>>9756835
Anya was on for like 3 minutes. Pomu is in the whole stream from start to finish. Get working brain retard.

>>9756765
>vtuber
>newborn child
kek

>>9756885
>These numbers count because I say so
>these don't because I don't like them
Big numbers > small numbers retard. Facts don't care about your feelings

>>9756843
So you agree that everyone in hololive, except Council, has a 491k peak then? Since they were all present at Coco's graduation.

>>9756885
>Pomu is in the whole stream from start to finish
>

>>9756863
Go back to facebook seanig

>>9756854
Nah, Kuzushitposter is clearly not a Nijifan or else he won't be retarded enough to say easily disproven statements like
>it's not always one day. it's all the time. Here is July.
and then linking the handful of times Kuzuha popped off the hardest.
Bet you he has the e-celeb Among Us collab vs Usaken Fes screenshot saved and ready to go as well.

Stop talking about massive numbers
Let's talk about midget numbers today

>>9756854
NTA, but this guy might be just a legit autist though, and he is alone really dragging the Nijifans name into the mud /here/
It's always him, with some obvious samefag moments too.

>>9756998
>Let's talk about midget numbers today
VNUMA...
Piyo...

>>9756885
Pomu got a HR off Kanae, giving them the lead. It was a big upset. Pomu literally drove the numbers high by making it a close game.

>>9756854
>too passionate for a third-party shit-poster
We are on 4chan.

>>9756998
What happened to those 200k viewers?

>>9756968
>projecting
kek

>>9756998
Nijimado has a filter function?

>>9756061
>>9756998
>200k to 1k
Why is Pomu declining so hard?

>>9756998
Pomu and Elira are pretty consistent and really nice as streamers. Rosemi only has 2 streams in the pic, but Finana... oof.

>>9757183
It was a superchat reading stream, Finana at this point gets 1k at least for pretty much any game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWY9clwoEkw

>>9757106
okay ricardo

>>9757176
>196k to 9k
how did shark decline so hard?

As a holobronie, I don't want to shit on nijien. Fault is all to anycolor

>>9757249
That makes more sense, 900 to 400 is a large dip.

>>9756765
>Comparing Vtuber to a newborn child
Uh, sure anon. I'm sorry because I didn't realize you are a schizo.

>>9756061
Gura got 420k at this stream. All of the Hololive members got 350k+. You saying?

>>9757419
Based Dragon gives us these records and kills that faggot Hololive Historian after graduating, Hololive didn't deserve her.

>>9756998
>Midget numbers
Finally, an oppprtunity for me to shill
Here's my girl Hinano Tachibana from VSPO having a comfy karaoke stream with ~2.4k viewers
Get in here, she's singing Disney right now
https://youtu.be/X4LXKL-06Eo

>>9757369
That's just Nijimado. She got 900 for most of the stream, but if her stream is ending and it goes past the first minute as people are leaving, then it records a much lower number.

>>9757335
>Fauna at SC reading still mogs nijien combine

>>9756998
Didn't someone say pomu got 200k viewers? What happened to 199k of them?

>>9757516
If you really love her you wouldn't expose her to these faggots. why does the 'pex thread keep dying

checked out nijiEN numbers for the first time in a while... yikes!

Let's talk about EN2 midgets now. Particularly this member. Her weekly scs are lower than literally all of NijiEN. Why do you think it's the case?

>>9757516
She looks like Rena

>>9757580
Open the superchat tab and think, retard.

Let's just use this image for the op of the next numbers thread

Hmmm
>Gura
check
>Kuzuha
check
>Pekora
check
>NijiEN
check
>HoloEN2
check

Now we're missing ShibuHal numbers to complete the list

>>9757580
Let's talk about this thread and last thread. Why does this one have less posts?

Read through everything from above. So why is Gura getting compared to Kuzuha again?

>>9757668
Hal's numbers have been pretty ass lately so shitposters don't have much to work with. Not many Apex events going on right now and his RFA streams lost their novelty after a few streams.

>>9757689
See >>9757664

>>9757580
She is forcing her chaos stuff too much, if she chilled out and just let stuff happen I'm sure her situation would improve considerably. Also, she should stop repeating extremely basic sentences in english, japanese, then english again for some fucking reason. If you want to speak japanese, just say something and leave at that, someone in chat will translate the bit anyway.

>>9757689
Easiest (You) farm

>>9757689
HoloEN anniversary attract idiots
>"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
This quote truly reflect this thread

>>9757550
There really isn't a major event right now, right? Could probably explain the slowing down of activity in the fps thread. We might see more activity later after the unveiling of the new VSPO member(s)

>>9757604

>>9757689
Also see >>9756529

>>9757741
Is today the new unveiling of VSPO members?

>Major events
There's also Poker 3D tonight. Gonna be a second wave of shitposters comparing Gura's anni with it.

>>9757737
Addendum: never underestimate how far a /vt/ard would go to get (you)s

>>9757748
the absolute state of Hololive English

So someone in the thread mentioned about the view counts in Mori's main channel and the "topic channel".

So in Mori's channel shows that the total views is 172.2M. I count all the views from all the videos from the main channel and it's around 149.9M, and the total 12 songs from "topic" is around 22.7M views. So the "artist label" did help Mori boosts her view counts.

>>9756998
>HoloEN killer they said

>>9757833
More like state of EN2, but yeah. I had such high hopes for her too, she didn't need to go so hard for the roleplaying route and it probably filtered most casuals.

9/1 - 9/13 Median (number of streams)
>Pekora 31,088 (12)
>Marine 30,406 (8)
>Gura 23,938 (8)
>Kuzuha 23,182 (13)

Kuzuha won't be no.1 this month both he and Pekora have similar data now.

>Kuzuha (number of streams: 13)
10,000 - 19,999: 4
20,000 - 29,999: 3
30,000 - 39,999: 3
40,000 - 49,999: 1
50,000 - 59,999: 0
60,000 - 69,999: 1

median: 23,182
average: 30,101

>Pekora (number of streams: 12)
10,000 - 19,999: 0
20,000 - 29,999: 5
30,000 - 39,999: 5
40,000 - 49,999: 0
50,000 - 59,999: 1
60,000 - 69,999: 1

median: 31,088
average: 34,912

A few months ago back when this thread was still in its infancy someone brought up the distinction between numberfags and numberniggers. Given the current state of the thread i feel its a topic worth looking at further.

>>9749675
All hail Amelia Watson, heir to the AsaCoco Throne.

>>9757859
Living rent free baby.

>>9757806
Anon means Apex event, Hal customs are meh and Reignite cup is also meh, posting wise.

>>9757930
Long time numberfag here, could differentiate between bait posts and cherrypicked images now

Do you fucks even watch kuzuha? I literally only hear about him here.

Company-wise looks like Nijisanji wont be able to replicate Sept last year's median views.

>>9757976
What happened to them last september?

>>9757904
If anything, she has the most casual fans. She has as many donors as the other girls except Kronii, but casuals dont drop pink or red SCs.

>>9757806
Looks like it
https://mobile.twitter.com/Vspo77/status/1437481260482379779
Also by major events, I was referring more to fps-specific events. The R6S tourney is done and RIGcup isn't until this Friday so there's not much to talk about in the fps thread. Doesn't help that the fps thread doesn't really talk much about the non-apex/valo/r6s streams from the fps chuubas unless they're collab streams

>>9757963
Numbers are numbers. Only retards with no actual rebuttal call them cherry picked data.

>>9757969
Nobody here watches niji they just use them to shitpost

>>9757969
I do but there's no point in me mentioning him in here because it's just falseflaggers jerking off to collab numbers, at least it isn't the arc of "look he switched to Valorant because he noticed he has low Apex numbers" spam from months ago
>>9757806
If the last Poker event got 51k I think this one can get a comfortable 60k+

Oh yes...another kazuha thread

>>9757989
post koshien 2020

>>9758081
That only goes up till the point where you start seriously arguing that pomu got 200k viewers

>>9757995
I find that to be pretty strange. Maybe I'm retarded, but in my head, the one going the hardest for the Vtuber stuff would filter the casuals the most.

>>9757919
Oh no no no tourney king...

>>9757976
>tfw Toya, Fuwa, Ibrahim and Kuzuha get double that average now
The BOYS sure have inclined. Only Kanae is a bit stagnant.

Say didn't someone bring up voms a few days back? How are they doing these days?

>>9757919
king...

This man just said statiscal manipulation doesn't exist in a number thread, heh
The other anons are right, most retards in this thread are not here for the numbers at all.

>>9757976
Damn, back when Uiha actually streamed.

>>9757550
>>9757576
Maybe they need to actually put effort into making the thread discoverable by adding a title. More then half of the time I have come across the thread, it barely has a description of its topic. /FPS/ /Apex/ /shootan/ /whatever/ just make it discoverable like most other generals.

>>9758234
If you mean the cherrypicked comment I am pretty sure he meant people who use Kuzuha among us and VCC to say he's #1

>>9757919
Expected. All those R6S streams hurt his average too much. He failed to hit 20k in a lot of them. This doesn't mean anything though. Pekora also can also fail to hit 20k depending on the circumstances.

>>9758234
Like I said, there are numberfags and then there are numberniggers, and unfortunately there's been more of the later than the former these days.

>>9758266
Was talking about this >>9758081 Deleted the mention by accident.

>>9758234
I've seen most of my graphs/charts been posted outside of this thread to tribalshit tbqh. Mostly with iPhone filenames.

>>9758353
It's been known there's an iPhone shitter who loves to have 7 threads up at a time, when meidos actually wake up the catalog suddenly gets lighter.

>>9758081
>>9757748
Example of cherry picked. Already told him to think, but he backed up with this shit. Hakoz only had 3 streams counted for weekly SC. Finana also counted 3 streams too, but look at the quality of streams played by her. She opened SCs during reading and she earnt a lot from genshin. Hakoz earned $600 from a watch-along and two shitty games plus she doesn't stream all that much in the week to compare to other nijiENs. On top of this week being the second week after monetization against finana who's already 4 months old in the business. The comparison is stupid. If I wanted to, I could always say why is 4 of the other EN 2 earning more weekly than nijiEN with less streams.

>>9757976
Of course they won't. They don't have Gibara and Lulu anymore.

>>9758432
Sounds like a cope. Baelz has 100k more subs than Finana yet still gets mogged by Feesh? That's fucking disgraceful for Hololive standards.

>>9758200
It's actually pretty crazy how Kenmochi cut his streams per month by half and doubled his viewers. I don't think Sept 2020 Kenmochi could get 50k+ on his costume reveal and birthday streams, even if it was a totsu.

I'm still not-convinced Ib is a consistent 10k+ streamer outside of Minecraft, but that's not really fair considering many Holomems rely on minecraft to hit 10k+ too. We'll see when he finishes his current project and starts playing other games.

Fuwa has quite clearly inclined after his 3D debut and doing his morning show last month. His Apex numbers are still ~5k, but his horror game numbers are strong.

Overall as a company tho, Nijisanji probably got weaker.
Gibara and Lulu graduated.
Pretty sure Lize, Deron, Maimoto, Yashiro, and Shiina are boosted by some Koshien streams here. Their normal medians are not that high, eventho Lize and Yashiro are around 10k.
Saku, Chihiro, and Shiina aren't getting 10k+ median in 2021 and Honhima isn't close to a 9k median now.
Fresh blood for numbers, would be Leos and Lauren.

>>9758490
>Still thinking subs are representative of superchats
>Rushia, Coco, Lamy, Kanae, Fuwa, Ibrahim, Lauren exist
How new?

>>9758491
Mashiro has inclined a lot after his 3D too. He gets 2-2.5 times of that number during normal streams.

>>9758548
So you're telling me that Hololive's over inflated subs are not actually indicative of their quality as a Vtuber? Thanks anon!

>>9758491
Lain and Oliver fell off. Axia is in the okay range for niji standards. Leos and Lauren is in the mid to high range. Doesn't seem to look good or bad. Do they need to debut another nijiJP group or wait for another year because once JP 6 arrives, all eyes are on them until the end of the year.

>>9757976
Here are averages from this August for comparison (obviously koshien participants got higher averages)

>>9758731
>representative of superchat
At least try to read more

>>9758733
>Oliver
Only by viewers. He earned more superchats than Leos in the last two weeks.

>>9758733
I highly doubt JP6 will pull a noticeable amount of viewers away from Edengumi. If this were early 2020 they'd already have another set of Nijis ready to debut but thanks to the liver training program where Rikkun punches new recruits in the liver until they're fit for streaming, the amount of debuts in JP will considerably slow down, meanwhile foreign branches are going strong with new debuts even VR.
As for falling off, I don't think Oliver has considering he still ranks on daily whenever something happens, Leos hasn't been on there in a while but he still pulls his own numbers. Lain fluctuates quite a lot but she's starting to branch out more by doing collabs so there's potential, if she wasn't so boring with soloPex. Lauren is the top of the pack while Axia is middling.

>>9758733
By JP 6 you mean Holo JP6 ?

Damn, this is what happens when US hours take over?

It was such a nice place to discuss numbers 6 hours ago, but now all i see is tribalism trolling.

>>9758807
Actually scratch that. He earned more than Leos in a month. Leos was higher only during his monetisation stream.

>>9758733
>Lain and Oliver fell off
Strangely enough, I think Oliver is fine since he's established his identity as the cute awkward professor who speaks English. It's like how Joe, Shellin, Maimoto all get pretty bad daily numbers, but they have a clear defined role in Niji and the general Niji fan knows who they are. On the other hand, I don't think Lain has that.

>all eyes are on them until the end of the year.
There's not as much overlap between Niji and Holo as you would expect, especially between male and female vtubers. Lauren and Leos have a bigger risk of losing their viewers to other Nijimales than they do of losing them to HoloJP6.

>>9758855
It's 12 am/3am rn in US hours.

>>9757976
Do you think it's fair to say nijisanji's audience for male chuubas grew while part of the audience for female chuubas moved to hololive?

>>9758863
Oliver gets a lot of superchat at times for some reason. With that said, all the guys in Eden are getting healthy superchat number. It's only Lain that is getting less and that's because she keeps doing solo apex.

>>9757904
>I had such high hopes for her too, she didn't need to go so hard for the roleplaying route and it probably filtered most casuals.

all of them are going hard on the RP of their concept. Gura made it clear tonight on her 1y stream that's a management thing. when she started she said management wound her up super tight with the fear she had to go hard on the lore. Her streams have got a lot better since she mostly dropped the lore.

>>9749675
>kson onair is actually making money
Interesting.

>>9758940
Males definitely grew, but it's hard to say if they moved on to Hololive because the content is just different. A lot of the girls in that 2020 snapshot have considerably decreased streaming so their fans are just scattered off somewhere.

>>9758940
Depends. Mito, Lize, Ange and Toko are the biggest Nijigirls and they still get pretty much the same amount of viewers.

>>9759004
Since going irl, Coco has been SC baiting like never before. Some of the stunts she's pulled have been eyebrow-raising.

>>9758835
>>9758923
I don't mean JP 6 would steal Eden's viewers. People who actually likes them will stay, but a new holo branch would probably create a large enough hype that could overshadow the existence of the new niji jp branch. It's like that saying where people would flock to new shiny things. It just means that it'll be harder for them to get new viewers and gets stuck in their current numbers for months until an event comes up for them or a new niji group debuts to collab with them. Holo's structure is that once a new group arrives, they'll do anything to promote them for a long period of time even the EN branch would hype them up.

>>9758548
Please learn to recognise the numbernigger already

>>9759085
Ah so it's not a sustainable then. I wonder what her ultimate plan is going to be then? I'm guessing she appreciates the freedom of not being told what to do by the management but she has to know there are certain lines you can't push multiple times without getting shitcanned.

>>9759105
>harder for them to get new viewers and gets stuck in their current numbers for months
Unfortunately, this is the reality for 90% of vtubers after their debuts. Just take a look at HoloJP and HoloEN's numbers.
Inclining only happens to very few, while stagnation or decline is what happens to most.
It's very very unlikely for Edengumi or HoloCouncil, for that matter, to incline in the upcoming months since they're still in or just passed the "bleeding viewers after debut hype" phase.

>>9759004
>>9759171
Is absolutely is sustainable, she basically pulled her entries tatsunoko fanbase away with her and you know how much money those guys had to throw around.

>>9759171
>I'm guessing she appreciates the freedom of not being told what to do by the management
She hasn't done much with that freedom, other than baiting SC with twitch thot tier antics.

>>9759105
I'm saying that apart from people who watch Lain when they're bored and also happen to be Holofans, it won't budge, did you forget Edengumi is 4 guys 1 girl? I highly doubt something like Lauren and Oliver yumejos will run off to a Hololive girl. As long as general Nijisanji viewcounts continue to rise after every year, and with all their promotional shit and intercompany and outer company collabs, they can pick up new viewers even if Hololive debuted 500 new girls.
Also, you must have missed the way Edengumi was shilled. Train station ads for their debut, Chigusa & Maimoto show to introduce them, Axia and Lain on Nijiquiz, NijiNoon that featured 1 Edengumi every day for 2 weeks, every single branch talking about them, and probably more I'm forgetting.

>>9759171
It is sustainable. She'll still get lots of SCs without openly baiting. Her numbers are just bigger than usual recently because she is.

>>9759223
Pulling your previous fanbase with you and doing "eyebrow-raising stunts" doesn't necessarily correlate to long term success. Once the spicy runs out, then she'll have to actually think of ways to be more interesting in a conservative fashion.

>>9759226
>other than baiting SC with twitch thot tier antics.
Yeah I did see the 2B thumbnails, I can see she's swinging towards twitch thottery.

>>9758940
>>9759013
Look at those girls

If Pekora wants to increase her female viewership she should collab with more Nijis, because Niji's fans are cute girls.

>>9759171
Surprisingly, chink antis didn't bother her. It's just FBK and Aqua getting attacked. Most likely they have a hate boner for Hololive than Coco. In the long term, her creative freedom is useless when Hololive's popularity relies on anime and the power of collabs. OTV became a popular streaming group because of "collabs" and also they have a connection to Pewdiepie/Jackseptic that blew them up.

>>9759233
>Also, you must have missed the way Edengumi was shilled. Train station ads for their debut, Chigusa & Maimoto show to introduce them, Axia and Lain on Nijiquiz, NijiNoon that featured 1 Edengumi every day for 2 weeks, every single branch talking about them, and probably more I'm forgetting.
For real, I'm pretty sure Anycolor shilled Edengumi much harder than HoloCouncil.
Edengumi were featured on so many Nijishows on the main channel, at least a dozen episodes. It would be like if HoloMyth did collabs with HoloCouncil right off the bat on the main HoloEN channel for a week and then a few more collabs with JP senpais on the main HoloJP channel. Ofc that can't happen because of Cover's retarded insistence of a blanket collab ban, even for purely advertising purposes.

>>9759373
>I'm pretty sure Anycolor shilled Edengumi much harder than HoloCouncil
Well yea, Cover just made a few weird lore videos for council and that's pretty much it.

>>9759367
Collabs is actually an interesting point. I wonder if she can last long enough that when the next graduates come along, she can collab with them in a strange sort of "post-hololive" club.

>>9759339
I don't think girls would watch someone with that voice or someone who rejects talking about men, lets be real.
>>9759332
ARK arc and Minecraft arc(s), which were completely absent this year.
>>9759373
Cover really needs to get rid of that retarded ban because IMO the best time of introducing a streamer to established fans of other vtubers, is near when they debut.

>>9759171
>certain lines you can't push multiple times without getting shitcanned.
The 2 CCV kings in Japan are "5ch troll king" Jun and "JP Keemstar/Dramawhore" Koretube.
What lines do you think Kson can't push when literally the 2 at the top are 10x more abrasive?

>>9759426
Belmond and Kou were buffed last month tho (koshien watch along for the former and participation in apex tourney for the later)

>>9759373
Did it work though? Here's hoping to see Eden's median numbers from graphanon for September. They got shilled hard in August so I wonder if they actually kept their viewers for this month too.

On the other hand, Holo doesn't really need to do shows. Just do a minecraft episode for them but I do agree that they need to lessen the ban to at least two weeks.

>>9759367
Chinks will forever seethe not only because of the Taiwan yab but because hololive abandoned bilibili, they were especially pissed at Aqua for this.

>>9759454
The pic I'm replying to is comparing 2020 to 2021 isn't it? Kou was streaming way more that year than this year.

>>9759226
Pretty much like Gibara who also left vtubing because she got bored from it/wanted to pursue something better (yet in the end she just opened pixivbox account and keeps her moneky roleplay on twitter)

>>9759430
The more sexually charged content. Youtube is pretty erratic about what it enforces and ignores. Given the history she has, I'm sure at some point someone is going to salty enough to report her and eventually it will stick.

>>9759367
>Surprisingly, chink antis didn't bother her.
They can't, her channel has the same VPN filter as Coco's

>>9759507
It's >>9757976 to >>9758770 (since this year's September has just started). According to it Kou streamed 17 times last month.

>>9759309
The thing is she's not earning notably more money than she did before. It's one thing is she's gotten a massive boost in earnings over the past month. It's another thing when she's been earning about that much for the past year

>>9759461
Damn allowing new gen to collab with senpai while debut buff still active other agencies will stand no chance anon, remember holo debut buff is longer than any other agencies

>>9759558
I stand corrected, though according to JP wiki he was streaming a smash bros tournament in August 2020 and Nijicraft festival in September 2020

>>9759563
What is her baseline plan when it comes to streaming then? I can understand if the twitch tactics is a modern addition to her roster to boost sales then she must have a stable baseline unless she's sinking though I doubt she's sinking.

>>9757748
All you have to do is look at DarksydePhil to see how stupid it is to use tips/superchats as a barometer for success. His content is dead and nobody watches him anymore but he has a handful of whales that are keeping his pathetic "career" alive. Tips/superchats do not equate to channel health and popularity.

Wonder if you could use OmegaAlpha's marshemallow on twitter as feedback. The rrat is that he/she is EN's manager. I wanna tell them that they're stupid for not allowing Council to display their full strength during debut week. It's only after the collab ban is over that I see Sana have a drawing stream without any limiters. Ouro got popular from the get-go just by her voice and game choice. Ceres already told everyone she's an ASMR streamer. Mumei is lex luthor and hakos was the one implicated the most from this. Who asked her to play shitty games and do an annoying hihihi squeal?

>>9759523
>The more sexually charged content.
Shows you haven't looked at her irl content at all then lol.
SC baiting as in using a screen filling gimmick to bait her gachis into filling the screen with SCs. Cosplay streams and makeup streams were always part of her repertoire pre-Hololive and well within Youtube's guidelines.
Chinks don't bother her because she has the same protection now that Coco's channel had. They don't even bother dislike bombing her anymore either.
Noel's roommate's ASMRs are more sexual than Kson's content lol.

>>9759696
>rrat
He literally is. And he won't answer that as the time has already passed and there's no way he'd display a maro shitting on his/Cover's practices.

>>9759702
I see. I suppose as long as cosplay streams and make-up streams are enough to keep the tatsunoko happy then that should be enough.

Lauren and Axia have yet to play in a vtuber Apex cup so I can see them inclining. Meanwhile I can see Oliver Leos and Lain reclining to their own average by the end of the year.

>>9759426
>I don't think girls would watch someone with that voice or someone who rejects talking about men, lets be real
There's 1k female watching her every stream

>>9759696
The talents did what they wanted. Apart from Mumei getting gated from games she wanted to stream, everyone else got exactly what they wanted. Baelz was only "forced" to do the rat simulator stream, but it's not Omega or cover's fault that she wanted to do 3 talk streams in 2 weeks and struggled to find a balance between showing energy and filtering casuals.

>>9759713
As much as /vt/ likes to push the tranny rrat, Omega is confirmed female irl by many holomembers even before the reveal.

>>9759696
>The rrat is that he/she is EN's manager.
Not a rrat, he's at the very least a manager. The real rrat is that s/he might actually be the producer of the EN branch.

>>9759826
>The real rrat is that s/he might actually be the producer of the EN branch.
She literally is listed as the producer for Irys's MV and confirmed that she's the first employee of HoloEN.

>>9759818
Sauce?
>>9759820
He she it said any pronouns and I genuinely don't watch HoloEN, my bad

>>9759878
Song producer is a bit different, and i've never seen any confirmation of omega being the first employee, unless you mean that tweet saying s/he was there from the beginning, but i wouldn't call that confirmation of being THE producer. It wouldn't really surprise me if s/he really was the producer of the whole EN branch tho.

>>9759085
>Coco has been SC baiting like never before.
Don't lie... her most superchated streams are zatsudans with this dumb looking avatar.

>>9759696
He's not a manager, he's a producer. He's basically the guy who makes the calls and hashes out all the contract stuff when one of the ENs wants to make an MV or something like that.

>>9760044
You see those gems on screen? Those are SCs and this is called SC baiting. It's the same thing Nijis do when they shower in SCs in their 3D debuts and Coco in her last costume reveal.
Baiting chat into SCing to fill up your funeral portrait is still SC baiting and this is her most successful stream IIRC.
https://youtu.be/elqNuQAqDRo?t=3887

>west coast of the US goes to sleep
>thread is civilized again
Things that make your noggings go ummmmmm

>>9760200
She did it as coco too, that doesn't really mean much.

>>9759696
The fact that some streams don't attract viewers doesn't mean management's decision though. In the first week, Kronii played 2 games she already played before, unrelated to her lore. She also decided to keep continuing playing them in the following weeks. Bae's coffee chat and Sana's astrology streams also indicate their own interests. Sana also explicitly said that her drawing streams would be infrequent. Fauna has done weekly ASMR streams since debut.
The only things that were clearly affected by management decision were human history streams and the game Civilization.

>>9760200
Is she baiting her free chat too where people send her upper limit SCs while she's sleeping?

>>9760339
No and I never said there's anything wrong with SC baiting. It's just what she's doing when she's doing these "fill my screen with SC" streams.
Some anon asked why her SCs are so high, these streams are part of the reason why. Playboard doesn't track free chat SCs.

>>9760374
Her SC has always been high even without gems, this is nothing new.

>>9760374
https://playboard.co/en/video/WinQpGPnSdI

Coco's freechat turned into an actual stream and playboard track the numbers. (whether it's accurate or not)

>>9760480
>whether it's accurate or not
I think she once said she made over 15 million with her first freechat.

https://youtu.be/Rez4Q5lF6TQ
So Pekora is getting a new outfit soon, and i'm guessing the rest of JP3 will get one too (minus marine maybe). EN1 is getting outfits soon too, so we might have a new "fashion week" like we had with EN1 and JP4 before. Would be pretty interesting for numbers and to compare them.

>>9760748
>interesting numberswise
Are we really going to act as if Pekora and Gura are totally not going to mog the competition. Really now

>>9760566
Yeah, she did. Playboard is fairly quick to stop counting waiting rooms if they've been scheduled for a long time. That first one especially went through some big SC parties over the months.

>>9760789
It’s not about the relative position between the streamers, but where they would stand in comparison with past performances.
Pekora, given the delay in getting this, may get an unreasonably large CCV. EN not so much, I doubt most of them would beat their first outfit

>>9756200
Why are you comparing with the EN branch? Nijicope and retardation are the characteristics of a Nijinigger after all

>>9760748
No Pekora’s outfit is long overdue so her getting one doesn't reflect on the rest of the generation

>>9756389
Anon… Not everyone is a loser who stays at home going on 4chan 24/7. People have school and jobs.

>>9761074
>1.35 billion English speakers in the world vs
>120 million Japanese speakers
>EN gets their ass whooped by JP
I'd say the comparison is warranted. Imagine losing in CCV to someone with 50x less people who can understand you kek

>>9757318
By your logic Pomu declined harder you autistic monkey

oh no they woke up

>>9761215
b-but different timezones!!

>>9761215
Niji also have an en branch that flops badly compared to jp so what then?

>>9761215
Thanks for the laughs anon. Always nice to see stupidity thriving.

>>9761215
This cope makes no sense because vtubing is a japanese thing and Hololive (and Nijisanji) are Japanese companies

>muh collab ban
If they're such shit streamers that they can't stand on their own without their predecessors heavily propping them up on stream from day one they won't retain much of an audience afterwards anyway. On the other hand a collab ban (for a mere 4 weeks) ensures that people get hyped for collabs and tune in when they finally happen. All of Council are going to see a buff in numbers this month to attract fresh eyes while on the other hand Edengumi has already exhausted its pool of Niji viewers through oversaturation.

>>9761215
>1.35 billion
>123 million
>50x
for a person in a numbers thread, you sure suck at math, low-IQ-chama.

Mind you, this is not how demographics work in statistics, otherwise, you would know that the total audience that is likely to watch VTubers is not that large both in Japan and the rest of the world. And let's not get into the minutiae of things like time zone, content of interest and other things because numbers aren't cut and dry like you pretend they are.

But you're a numbernigger, so I am wasting my time with this post.

>>9761215
NijiIN and NijiCN are surely the best branches by far considering the population of India and China.

>Thread is so slow people are replying en masse to the cheapest bait
Anons, plz

>>9761415
Stop! don't use logic here!!!

>>9761370
Anyone who doesn't think the collab ban isn't the best idea cover ever had related to the content of talents streams isn't someone I want to listen to. It has only ever provided benefits in the long term to the talents and the only downside is the whining of retards who don't understand even the most basic principles of building an audience or monetizing that audience.

Pictured: an example of a gen that is unpopular in jp vs a gen that is popular in jp that debuted around the same time, you can see how jp gen 5 being very ill-received in japan has them losing out in overall subs, ccv and scs compared to en gen 1

It wouldn't be far fetched to say that jp gen 6 still isn't a thing because of how badly jp gen 5 has underperformed in comparison to en gen 1

what are the chances of them getting this two?
https://twitter.com/DeToNator_GG/status/1437612539450310656

>>9761550
>losing out in overall subs, ccv and scs compared to en gen 1
What are you smoking? Botan gets more viewers than anyone besides Gura. Lamy gets more sc than anyone in EN.

>>9761215
You are retarded if you think they all know about vtubers. I think I’m falling for bait because this amount of retardation is unbelievable.

>>9761370
>>9761492
Imagine anyone still not understanding that the collab ban is the easiest way to build brand loyalty since the fans have a higher chance of becoming both emotionally and financially invested in the rookies (especially with Hololive gaining monetization so quickly nowadays) as they slowly integrate into the greater Hololive ecosystem (debut > unit collab > inter-unit collabs > event collabs > 3D debut + collabs > major groups event features).

>>9761600
>overall
learn to read, or better, add
suprechats:
en = $3,490,007
gen 5 = $2,438,534

>>9761562
The fuck are you on about? Because if I'm reading this right, you think vspo, a female chuuba company, is going to turn 2 male apex pros that leave their team at the end of the month into 1 female chuuba that debuts today?

>>9761550
Retarded comparison is retarded

>>9760748
Peko's prison outfit only peaked 90k so i'm gonna lower my expectations but ofcourse as her fan i want her have higher (is having 120k too much dreaming?)

Nene right now is a superchats monster....

>>9761897
>120k
Doable honestly, cause her prison outfit confused the rest of the fandom into thinking its not a new outfit, iirc even rushia didn't know and i was watching fbk uta and only found out about it after that by a reccomended clip.

>>9761806
you can stop coping now, en is far more popular than gen 5 despite both having the same starting point and only a retard will try to deny that

>>9761984
If you are going by subscription count EN is far more popular that any vtuber generation, branch or company in the whole vtuber scene.
It is not much of a comparison.

>>9762048
and there is no reason jp gen 5 shouldn't have been able to match them given that they had similar debut times and pander to a similarly sized fanbase, that jp gen 5 failed despite vtubing being japanese is just pathetic in hindsight

>>9762113
I don't know anon, maybe being a generation targeted to english speakers, with a full english speaking cast may have differentiated EN1 from JP5, don't you think?

>>9762136
this cope makes no sense because vtubing is a japanese thing, are you the retard trying to claim that en has bigger numbers because there's more english speakers in the world

>>9761984
>>9762113
>>9762173
Retard.

>>9762113
>5th version of a JP gen on Hololive
>1st version of an EN gen on Hololive
You really think they are comparable?

>>9762188
>t. retard that thinks en has bigger numbers because there are more english speakers in the world

>>9762205
Look dumbass you're comparing 4 members gen with 5 members gen. Now kys.

>>9762198
no, jp gen 5 should have actually done better than en gen 1, look at how horrible jp gen 1 is in terms of numbers. getting btfo so soundly by en gen 1 just shows that jp gen 5 is a terrible underperformer, it's surprising cover failed so badly in scouting them but I guess the talent in japan is all tapped out nowadays and why they don't have a jp gen 6 after 5's failure

>>9762220
>4 members gens don't perform well!!!!
>gamers gen btfo gen 5 too despite being 4 members and having the disadvantage of debuting when hololive was much smaller
lmao this much cope

>>9762173
I am not. Unlike that anon I don't believe sub count correlates with CCV, SC or any other measure.
I also don't believe subs count correlate with the size of the population speaking some language, otherwise China branches would be the biggest.

My disagreement with you is that EN and JP branches are comparable given the differences in target audience or streamer profile. They are not.

yesss, fight between yourselves holobronies. the nijichads are laughing at you.

Samefags

>>9762314
It is mostly one anon schizoing and likely samefagging. Thread is on page 10 anyway, nothing of value is lost.

At least he didn't bring the "Gen5 is underperforming all JP generations" this time, and mostly because he got BTFO by numbers when he tried. It's an evolution

>>9762266
>differences in target audience
they target the same audience you dumbfuck

>>9762347
Its honestly doing a community service by keeping the schizos in containment thread anyway, this is a rare sighting of Gokisei schizo from /hlg

>>9761550
Botan & Lamy new outfit > all EN outfit

>>9759339
Pekora is working on it.

>>9762404
Dude's a weirdo... like 'real' weird.
I thought at first he's just another shitposter but now I feel like he got some vendetta or something. A bit creepy

>>9762666
Well, there's some genuinely autistic people on the board, we're boind to get weirdos. So long as they keep the sperg /here/ it's NBD.

>>9762347
i sometimes wonder if its still the same gen5 shizo that posted back on /jp/ or some new retard

>>9762729
He posts in the exact same way so it's either the dude or a really good copycat