/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>9657174
I legitimately don't know, this is why I sympathize with saviorfags because I rate what they try and do.
And big ups to the indies what go through all that stuff without quitting

>>9657174
they probably just do it for fun and don't care about views nor chat's presence.
Either that or autism

>>9657174
>>9657294
I normally dont care about this stuff with real streamers, but with vtubers im just picturing a cute sad nerdy girl, who gets sad when all her effort doesnt lead anywhere and it eats me up inside.

>>9657174
>How would you even survive something like this as an indie? I'd imagine I'd quit after like two streams of no viewers just out of sheer self-consciousness.
It's like basically any other business.
You grind, And then you grind. And then you keep grinding until you collapse, go broke or have success.

Unless you're an American jew with connections or a Soundcloud rapper making it in entertaining is hard fucking work and soul crushing grind, and Twitch streaming is no different.

2views are comfy. You always meet the same bunch of guys in chat and the chuuba greets you and speaks to you by name.

0views like OP's are just sad. Maybe shill the guy a little.

>>9657397
Are there cute irl female streamers who are 2views?

>>9657397
Its even worse when someone does come in, talks for a bit then suddenly disappears.
God just imagining it fucking hurts

>>9657472
Plenty.

>>9657174
What's there to be self conscious about if nobody is watching?

>>9657514
Yeah I can relate, I am reluctant to speak in 2view chats because of that. If I just wanna watch someone for 10 minutes and then gotta go, they would probably feel like they filtered me with something they did. The social dynamics around 2views are fairly interesting.

>>9657511
.......link?

>>9657174
It hurts to see, especially when you see some models actually have visible investment behind them.

>find some 2view because her stuff has nice aesthetics
>can tell streamer puts massive amounts of effort into her streams, probably the most you've ever seen in fact
>she can't break 10 live viewers because the content is too niche
/wvt/ has shown me some really painful stuff.

>>9657892
Link? The only 2views I ever find making niche content are dudes using stock 3D models

>>9657892
Imagine that in another life you just meet that indie and simply lived happy together. No vtubing, just existence.

gimme an indie to savior

>>9657174
Keep this in mind when people talk about "saving" someone who regularly gets 500 viewers at any time of the day

>>9657174
I watch a guy who's been streaming to a single-digit audience for like 2 years now. Sometimes I wonder why does he even bother.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL6H4w9yrWo6F9OeUt-nwsA

>>9658200
Isn't it comfy to have a couple of dudes watching you when you're playing some game? not everyone streams to make it big.

>>9658200
Damn. I actually really like creative models like that. I like cute animu girls as much as the next guy, but not everything needs to be that.

Ganbare, weird rice hat monster guy.

Speaking of niche game genres. Any vtubers out there that play grand strategy games?

>>9657174
Self conscious about what? If nobody is watching you, then there's no difference between streaming and not streaming. Most people who stream to an audience of like two or three people are probably just playing games like they would whether or not they were streaming, so it makes no real difference to them. I'd argue the times you'd feel self conscious is when you're getting a few active chatters because it's this awkward space between actually having attention on you but not enough that you can feel detached from it. Like there's so few people there that you can't help but feel their prying eyes, whereas when you have thousands of people watching it probably starts to become white noise after a while and the viewers feel more like text on a screen rather than actual people.

>>9658383
That one cyberlive girl.

>>9657174
MiIlons of petabytes of data, of dreams, never to be seen.

>>9657174
As an /asp/ie
You don't give a fuck about the chat, if someone comes in and chat's, fine. But for the most part you don't care about the views/chat. You do it cause it's fun, if you can't continue to do it even when you have nobody, you're not going to make it at all

>>9657733
Sorry, they're for me to groom, find your own.

>>9657733
This anon is gonna groom

My highschool bully started streaming on twitch with 4 viewers. When I subscribed (fake name) he started crying out of happiness. The world is weird.

A bit off topic but do you think the earlier hololive gen girls are afraid of being reduced back to 2views?
They were like that when they started unlike the last two jp gens and the en girls so do you think they're afraid of one day turning on the stream and have like 10 people watching them?

>>9658875
What a weird experience.....

>>9658877
In a long enough timeline is gonna happen, one day, far away, even someone like Gura will have to make the decision of "is it time to graduate?"

>>9657397
>>9657514
>>9657638
If it makes you feel better it's just roasties looking for an easy buck.
>I streamed and noone clicked
isn't an existential dread for someone who isn't on the absolute bottom of the barrel (which young attractive women never are). You just have a saviourcomplex.

>>9657733
Just go to twitch, click browse.
Sort by number of viewers by game or select a game you want to see
sort lowest to highest on number of viewers.
Check thumbnails for a facecam with a gril

>>9658875
Why are you helping your bully?

>>9659021
Pity. I'm quite comfortable with who I am which as I noticed most people are not.

All I want is some nice girl to play Vampire Bloodlines. Only shrill tryhard edgy roasties play it though.

>>9659019
I cant actually find any women, is just nerds streaming minecraft/fornite to no one.

>>9657936
Boy, let me tell you about Vampoyo (Hauntuber).
She sprited 3 full characters, each with a dozen of poses, each with various animation frames, they all have transformations too. Music, UI, backgrounds, intros? All done by her. She also has a menu that actually works and can control various things with, and yes, she coded it herself. She actually streams as multiple characters at once, each with custom TTS and various pre-recorded voicelines, she manually switches between sprites, while holding conversations with herself puppet show style, while playing videogames, while handling the UI, while interacting to chat, and she has no mods so she does that stuff too.
As I said, it's very niche, and there's still a lot of scuff since she does everything herself, but it has a lot of SOUL.
This is genuinely the most unique vtuber I know, and she can't break 10 live viewers.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmBv79vcm-O0baTiRE7MUmQ

>find a Vtuber who plays the genre I like
>also an artist with an extremely high quality, high effort model

>she basically quit a month ago due to low viewership

You really can't win, huh?

>>9657174
sounds like your genre taste is literal shit

>>9657174
Because hololive overshadow everyone, you can't say much about it man, you need connection from collab or get luck by getting people to clip your funny side and if that get attention there is pretty much where you start your vtuber life

Its same as being youtuber, unless you lucky, you going no where

>>9659738
This is actually bizarre in the most awesome way. Like, I genuinely wouldn't expect that someone would be able to pull this off in real time. You're right, it's a super novel approach to the concept.

I actually wonder what goes into it from a technical perspective: Are they doing live transcription by speaking, then having it feed into the TTS? Are they having a co-streamer do the typing and sprite selection while they play? I can't feasibly imagine them being able to type, play, and select sprites all simultaneously unless at least some portion of it is automated or handled externally, just solely based on the timing involved.

>>9657174
Idk man I just like having an excuse to re-play and talk about games I like even if no one is watching

>>9657174
You do realize some stream just to waste time and whether a viewer comes or not is not important

How do you play games for hours on hours with zero people watching? 1-2 people is a straight improvement. The only downsides are bandwidth and a bit of monitoring to make sure nothing unfortunate ends up on stream. The people who quit early tend to change their behavior in negative ways (viewchasing) or somehow treat "talking into a microphone" as a chore, even though they would most assuredly talk to themselves or enjoy rambling to a friend while playing games if OBS were off.

>>9659738
Doing all of one thing yourself is cool and all, but music, UI, and coding as well as art? Damn, she's gotta be really fucking multi-skilled then

>>9660171
I'm fairly sure she does live transcriptions, as the TTS makes mistakes every so often. The sprite switching and other stuff though? We don't really know how she controls that yet, or if someone else is helping during streams. All I know is that she's a master of her craft.

Seems like a huge mistake to begin streaming without an audience
If i was trying to become a vtuber or even a streamer i would start by doing youtube videos first
Get an audience first then start streaming after

>>9659738
>>9660171
>>9660672
Watching some more of their livestreams, it almost definitely has to be a live voice transcription function of some kind, given the sheer number of typos or mistakes based on similar sounding words/missing words/extra words that leak into each line. I'm actually surprised even with those mistakes at the quality and latency, though, given I've looked into similar tools myself and absolutely nothing seemed up to snuff enough for me to ever feel comfortable using it in streaming. I wonder what service or tool they're using.

As for sprite selection, I could imagine that being manual if it had to be (the character swapping is absolutely manual, at least), but if they're using a voice transcription model they could also reasonably be using an emotive-based machine learning model. I actually have a friend that explored this for selecting visual novel sprites automatically on a line-by-line basis to speed up the process of animating a VN strictly from text, so reasonably I could imagine the same being applied here on a smaller scale tied to the voice transcriptions.

I'm just surprised that given both of those, you'd still be able to have half-functional latency. I guess you could put a slight delay on the game video feed and chat to compensate, but even then it'd be a pretty big hurdle to overcome, I'd imagine.

>>9657294
Can you'll newfags stop saying saviorfag in reference to sub counts, it's never been about numbers

>>9659738
Holy shit, this is ingenious. How the hell is this not getting more views?

>>9660817
>but if they're using a voice transcription model they could also reasonably be using an emotive-based machine learning model
Several Japanese Voiceroid applications have manual or automated PNG swapping, usually associated with a speaker or tone. Not hard to make a zero tonal difference swap that has a different portrait of the same "character." Emotive learning would be overkill and unreliable, though it is neat technology.

>>9661055
Yeah, good point. I noticed that the sprite selection isn't always super accurate, so a much more simple straightforward option based on volume or tone/pitch would definitely make sense too.

I do think that given another 5 or so years, machine learning models could actually become a lot more prevalent in pulling off crazy stuff like this for Vtubing if people actually find proper ways to apply the tech. Controllable TalkNet alone seems like the origin of people being able to one day do near-live voice filtering and conversion.

>>9660817
>>9661045
It actually makes me a bit sad. It really feels like she's pushing the medium's boundaries, yet nobody is looking.
Guess it's a bit too different for most fans.

>>9661183
I'll admit I'm a little filtered by the game and stream selections, at least looking through their archive. They definitely fit their theme, but I'm not sure how conducive it is to building a long-term audience.

>>9657174
Most 2views are dead silent throughout the streams or just having a boring as fuck personality. Why expect them to gain views like that? The industry is tough and they shouldn't expect anyone to hold their hand. That being said a lot of them do it because of boredom or for fun I assume, or just trying to find their calling and training themselves slowly.

>>9661045
Someone shilled her here a while ago and I got filtered hard by the lack of voiceover so that's probably a big reason

>>9663109
Maybe it's just the sheer amount of beep-voiced games I've played over the years that doesn't faze me at all watching them

Are there really people out there who groom 2views? Isn't that kind of fucked?

>>9665267
No kink shaming. As long as they are harmless, they can do what they want. Suisei started with only a handful and she insisted on keeping her model for those people.

>>9665267
Is it really that hard to believe people like underdogs and enjoy small, tight communities?

>>9657174
>How would you even survive something like this as an indie?
I don't know
But it also feels good to hear actually happy indie when there is someone in the chat even after long time since stream start.
Listening it on replay hurts so fucking much.

>How would you even survive something like this as an indie?

A lot of people do it because theyre having fun, its just a hobby. Turn a game on, draw something, and have a few friends drop by and chat or find new friends.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/16/17569520/twitch-streamers-zero-viewers-motivation-community
Not Vtubers but same principle.
I honestly don't know if I'm supposed to admire for being so mentally resilient or think they are crazy for keeping at it for years with nothing to show for it.

>>9665267
Grooming happens in every chat and in every medium. It's fucked everywhere but what can you do?

>>9666060
The problem with these retards is they stream a massively popular game like LoL or Overwatch while also having 0 personality. It's not hard to figure out why nobody watches you.

>>9659738
I think I'm still the only one who's ever given this Chuuba a dono and it wasn't even that much at all. They use a weird fucking site for it though

>>9658877
That's likely Kiara's biggest nightmare. Going back to being a nobody going through all kind of humiliating and degrading things to try to make it.

>>9660732
>If i was trying to become a vtuber or even a streamer i would start by doing youtube videos first
How do you get people to watch your videos?
>Get an audience first then start streaming after
How do you "get an audience" first?
It's the same shit.

>>9666116
>It's not hard to figure out why nobody watches you.
Then why don't they realize it themselves?
Why don't they improve?

>>9666226
Because most are Americans who grew up in a "You can be anything you want!" culture where nobody ever told them they were a boring retard.

>>9659738
That's pretty shizo

>>9666209
It's about networking. Theres going to be a period no matter what where youre a 2view, but if youre savvy and can make friends easily, you can branch out by hanging out in other streamers chats, play games with them, and overtime you start getting eyes on you.

Shill it here and go from there.
Promote it like you're not the glowie.

>>9666246
The sad thing is, with enough effort for the most part you can be anything you want. Even a complete autist can just brute force memorize every single social interaction they'll likely encounter. But it takes enormous amounts of effort and pushing past the self-hatred

>>9666280
Reminds me, beatani is a good example.

>>9661183
I feel like her format doesn't translate well to normal streams. If she did videos instead or some kind of interactive stream with chat it would be much more engaging.

>>9666275
What does "being savvy" means?
How do you "make friends" or "how do you network" when no one is seeing your content?
>you can branch out by hanging out in other streamers chats, play games with them, and overtime you start getting eyes on you.
Why would anyone want to do things with a nobody? Even if the 2views do collabs 0+0 is still 0.
Just say "it's luck lmao" and be done with it.

>>9666286
Of course, but that takes initiative. These people are just midwits who think they should be able to turn on their stream and have fans flock to them. Its part entitlement and part stupidity.

>>9666338
Holy shit how deep into the spectrum are you lmfao

>>9658586
what a cope
the whole point of streaming is the chat and people watching and interacting with you. why would someone perform in front of an empty audience? whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>9666375
I accept your concession.

>>9666392
>how do I talk to other human beings I dont understand

>>9666401
How do you talk with another human being when there's no other human beings in the room with you?

>>9666376
It's the same kind of cope as the kid who never got invited to play ball games with the other kids and pretended he was having more fun playing at the soccer field alone.

>>9666435
Ok since youre Asspie Supreme, Ill break it down Big Bird/Cookie Monster style for you

>be 0view who
>make friends with 10view vtuber
>3 of their regulars watch your content
>youre now a 3view

Rinse repeat until you have an audience holy shit how was that hard to understand

>>9666472
See >>9666338
>Why would anyone want to do things with a nobody?

>>9666496
I know this is impossible for you as an asspie to understand but there's a thing called "being friends" where two people who share interests and like each other get along and hang out.

>>9666536
>Just be friends with a fellow vtuber beforehand bro!
You are still not telling me how someone truly starting from zero makes it.

>>9666496
>Why would anyone want to do things with a nobody?
Because someone who's nobody might be funny, talented, etc. Everyone starts from zero at the beginning. Ame was literally a 0view who crawled up to 2viewership.

>>9658875
if you still never forgave him for bullying you could always cancel culture him XD

>>9666570
>>Just be friends with a fellow vtuber beforehand bro!
Yes, its not hard lmfao. Theyre human too. Stop thinking of them as mystical moving pngs, theres a human there that wants to make friends with people and hang out

>>9658586
At the core of treating it as a craft, yeah, you'll last longer if you enjoy the production side of things, but speaking as someone who's ”made it”, you'll have to keep in mind that your purpose is to entertain others and that will require you to pay close attention to feedback and what the audience wants. Overtime you fine tune your personality to what your audience wants. If you just said ”fuck it I'm gonna be ME and do whatever I want” you'll be one confident streamer with an audience that won't exceed 15 views and your streaming experience will be that of a glorified discord voice chat. Like it or not, these popular YouTube cliches exist for a reason; they work.

>To build a community... you just have to build a community beforehand!
Bravo /vt/

>>9659738
It's interesting but they're missing one of the big appeals of entertainment of this kind: a voice.

No one is gonna sit there for 2 hours listening to 'ah wa da da wu we ha wa'. That works in video games because it isn't the primary aspect.

>>9657174
Reminds me of Kat Eastwood, people made threads about her even. Now vt kinda forgot about her.

all a 2view needs is a good personality and a good editor to get out of that hell

>>9661045
Getting found by many people is very hard.

let's study the bible with her guys
https://www.twitch.tv/athenabambina

>>9666667
Twitubers exist for a reason, anon.

>>9666268
Don't you mean autistic?

/vt/ - How the fuck do I make friends

>>9666911
Just bee urself :)

>>9666911
If people here knew how to make friends they wouldn't be watching women pretending to be anime girls so they can form a para-social relationship with them.

>>9666570
Forget everything that faggot said. In streaming and media content is king and consistency for growth. Make content that's viral and people will line up at the door to network. Anything content that could be described as shocking would probably do it. At one point in time long ago networking mattered more, but with how things are driven by algorithm the only networking you need is to chase what's currently trending on the major social network sites and make sure to stay current. But don't just copy the trending, it has to be transformed into something that makes it yours to distinguish you from the rest of the trend chasers. The early you jump on the more chance it'll be viral. If you're able to do this more than twice you'll have ppl contacting you for collabs and such. Unfortunately being a vtbuer is a debuff for the algorithm, at least for now. But if you consistently stream you'll hopefully gain more than you lose audience wise. Also there will be a problem trying to balance growing the audience while satisfying the core fan base but that's a future you problem.

>>9666911
I actually find it very easy to socialize and make friends, but I really hate the part where you have to maintain relationships by keeping up with them constantly. Would rather be left alone and not be bothered.

Anyone here wanna trade me their turbo autism for my social skills?

>>9662876
While there are ways to fill dead air alone, honestly a lot of vtubers bounce off chat to to start topics and tengeants or just keep the flow going, so talking for hours to the void without any chat can be very very hard and people who already have some kind of chat activity (starting around 10~20 viewers minimum) can sound much more interesting much more easily.

>>9658586
as an aspie I say otherwise. When I used to stream a little, I cared about those random viewers that even tho never said anything were there watching for 15 min, I even sent them messages thanking them. obviously if you are streaming you want to have some interaction with your chat, like music requests or anything just to feel you're no alone and someone is enjoying your content.

>>9659738
This stuff is amazing! Unique take on whole vtubing thing and it actually works. I really hope she gets more views.

I'm simply in awe for tech side of things, puling this off live is quite a feat.

>>9665267
>Are people sometimes doing things that aren't fully morally right?

>>9657174
They're either a neet, lives with family, or has a real job.
Hopefully streaming is just a hobby at that point with 0 viewers.

Actually started watching this one indie SEA male vtuber lately (and he's /here/) and his streams are genuinely fun. 2views have it rough, obviously, but if you find ones you like, it can still be pretty fun to hang out in their streams.
Another recommendation if you prefer jp: Minon
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbfGFpXrQBCe5F33BCB-ssQ

>>9659738
This stuff is crazy creative. Reminds me a bit about how I first felt about Kizuna Ai, in fact.

>>9659738
It's cool and all but doesn't matter if people don't care about it.
All the faggots praising it right now will never watch one of her streams. Because it's cool technically, and that's it.

>>9657174
>try and search for any newer indie Vtubers who play the genres I'm interested in watching
>find someone
You lucky sonuvabitch...

>>9659738
It's cool that someone is putting this much effort into something, and it looks really nice. But I just find it too boring to watch more than a few minutes of. The only ones I can see finding this appealing for long are actual autists and children.

>>9657174
Every single vtuber has mental issues. Otherwise, they wouldn't become vtubers.

>>9666129
>librepay
I feel like this may be some /g/tard, or genuinely a geek.

>>9657472
just watch sloth...

>>9659019
IM GONNA GROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Captcha: STAAN

>>9668049
I do think the format has it's own perks. It's the only vtuber I can watch while listening to music and not miss out on anything.

>>9658383
https://www.youtube.com/c/KanekoLumi

>>9657174
Probably because they do it just to fuck around? I don't think everyone who streams does it to reach 1k viewers or live out of it

>>9657174
VTubing is similar to music or other entertainment gigs.

A few make it big, most languish in irrelevance.

>>9658191
I just saw vtuber with 70 viewers get 300+ dollars in a stream its amazing how few people it takes to make money being a vtuber

>>9659738
I'd rather play a game she made than sit through a whole stream of that. Damn shame.

>>9657174
I've done two streams so far with zero people. But I also don't have a model. I just treat it as practice; I talk to myself and narrate whatever I'm doing. It can actually help me out in-game sometimes since I walk through my process.

>>9659738
>Hauntuber
I feel like posting a comment just so she gets a notification and keeps doing what she's doing.

>>9659019
I'm gonna roleplay as Carol.

>>9666672
This guy gets it. All that stuff is inspired and visionary, a unique and fun framework for asset creation and execution, but it still lacks the personality and voice that those assets would normally support rather than replace.

Don't get me wrong, having great assets to use and interact with is a boon for any vtuber. But in the end, assets alone can't make up for the lack of real humanity. If anything, that's less a resume for vtubing as it is for being the multi-talented artist/asset creator behind other entertainers who can make full use of them. That in turn would lead to notoriety, networking and self promotion opportunities for the asset creator themself. See: Ui and Pochi becoming more notable via their relation to popular streamers who're using their assets. Sometimes slapping your logo on billboards and race cars really is a better strategy for growing your own personal brand than just keeping everything entirely self contained. After all, reliable, lucrative partnerships are the lifeblood of business.

There's definitely a use case for that kind of retro style art, graphics and animation, and I'd wager becoming the "woman" behind other men and women is a more efficient way than struggling to grind it out as a literal who. Every chuba is effectively a brand ambassador, and the most successful people in the industry are able to tactically leverage this dynamic for growth and profit.

>>9657174
Its sad, but at the same time, if you literally cant get ANY viewers at all, then obviously you're doing literally zero networking. You're not engaging in any communities to try to garner attention, which is what you need in the beginning. And im not talking about just regular advertising, but just having a small community of friends who will support your streams and maybe tell other people about you.
If you think you can just start up a stream and viewers will magically come to you, you clearly haven't done any research into this thing that you want to do. And if you are continuing like this for months, then I can only assume you have no interest in figuring out what you're doing wrong.

>>9661045
every stream everything breaks, it's a shit gimmick

>>9661045
its not pleasant to listen to

>>9669031
You say that like cringekino isn't amusing in its own right. Also, people get better at things with practice. Biggest issue will always be that it's like watching a video game play another video game. You can't even look away and do other things because then you can't follow the stream. At that point why aren't you just playing video games yourself?

Good ideas aren't enough. Good execution matters. But if there's no good ideas to execute, then things wind up at a standstill. It takes both. Pairing good assets with good performers is the "relevant vtuber starter pack."

>>9659738
holy shit subbed. I love unique stuff like this

>>9659738
I remembered that OSTER Project did something similar with 2 voices at once. But this is just hardcore on another level.

>>9659738
>she

>>9669287
On an added note, having a decent vtuber or two successfully using your assets as a proof of concept would open up the (presumably still slim but probably not completely out of the question) possibility of landing an agency gig. If an asset crrator can manage to mog the current standard for vtubing assets at an affordable cost and with reasonable development time, that's how to be first in best dressed when it comes to trends and innovations. Those who capitalize on being first can secure a long term quasi-monopolistic foothold in the market and remain relevant for years to come.

>>9668185
I legitimately don't understand why they don't just use streamlabs or patreon. Liberapay is pretty shitty and has zero options

>>9657174
I've done a little over 30 streams so far. I get most views after the livestream ends (on YouTube, but I think YouTube real-time analytics are kinda janky). So far, I have 1 sub and had like only one person write in the livechat box in the entirety of streaming, and it was lyrics to some random song (go figure).
I've gotten better to talking to empty space, with no livechat, but I still freak out when I have concurrent viewers (even if it's 1 or 2) and I'm hoping to expose myself more to that anxiety of having people watch.
Unfortunately, I'm working on another project that's keeping me from doing vtubing more often as I like, so I'll stream sparingly. This is probably the only thing holding me back from having my channel grow more gradually.

>>9661183
As others already stated, but this does not translate well to be a streamer. Vtubers are practically voice actors that game and interact with chat. They are very talented though, but as streamers their talent will not shine.
There are many mute/tts vtuber, but they will hardly ever be famous. To me it is weird how Zentreya got so far.

>>9669725
You have 1 sub after 30 streams and you think you'll make it whenever you have time to "stream more" and that you being busy is why you haven't made it yet? Fucking lmao.

>>9669641
Probably for FREEDOM and SECURITY because mainstream platforms can and will fuck people over on a whim as a publicity stunt. There's security in obfuscation. Even if pixel chuba just flipped a table when I said that, it doesn't make the statement any less true. Using less subverted means to conduct economic transactions is the smartest play for a /g/entooman worried about ideological purges culling their livelihood. (((They))) can't get (You) if they can't see you.

>>9669765
Thanks for the encouragement, dad

>>9669848
Give this thread a re-read or three and maybe see if you learn something. Or just keep coping. Whatever you prefer.

>>9669835
So much this. Internet has turned into Orwelian big brother in past 10-15 years. Everyone should take steps to protect at least some privacy and freedom we used to have.

>>9669735
coom

>>9670007
Really that is all it took for Zen? Twitch cucks are way too horny holy fuck.

>>9670100
vshoujo is popular for a reason and that reason is coom

>>9669835
Gonna ignore whether this is ironic or not and just say that if they're gonna use some obscure hidden dono site, at least use one where I can make payments that aren't locked into a week by week subscription model. It's not even like it can scam you into recurrent payments since the site can only send email reminders asking you to manually pay again for the week. It just makes the donation process weird and inconvenient

>>9670100
>>9670179
Its absolutely true and I will never understand these pathetic fucks who support women whose only value is in making dicks hard. Its their choice to be empty base animals, I just don't understand how you can be so pathetic as to pay for subpar softcore porn.

>>9659738
Subbed

>>9669735
The other anons are right about coom, but the other answer is that she also got in really early for the west. When it was still a novelty to be an EN chuuba

>>9670100
>>9670179
>>9670436
Zen was streaming earlier to 5k people looking like this the whole time
If you really think the appeal of watching is because the streams are coomerbait 'soft porn' made to get your dick hard then I think you guys have a serious problem

>>9659738
>check this out
>first thought is holy shit this is really well made with tons of effort put into it, interesting premise and nice aesthetics
>leave it playing while I switch the tab for a while
>realization hits
The only reason this doesn't get views is because you can't listen to it in the background. You have to constantly be watching the stream to see the text. That is indeed extremely niche.

>>9659738
Its a guy that is why.

>>9661045
No interaction with chat. No voice overs (I get it's supposed to be retro). She's better off just making her channel into a let's play.

>>9671492
>No interaction with chat
Wrong. Not only does vampoyo read chat like anyone else, but during the twitch streams chat could even play sounds, use stamps and send in mail (you can see the little icon).

>>9666911
Participate in some social event and learn how to have people enjoy talking to you. Whether you are funny, interesting or just considerate. Games can be social events.
>>9667408
I am in a similar boat

>>9657174
They obviously have a job outside of vtubing to support themselves or they're on neetbux.

>>9671492
You've never watched them. They use live speech to text and can easily interact with chat.

>>9671095
built for SEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXX

>>9659738
The issue is that you need to read it.
You need to pay attention to it as a primary thing and can't look away at any point or you miss something.

>>9672061
youtube has live rewind, dumbass

>>9665323
*her character. Not just the Live2D, she wanted to keep her character.

>>9658875
Man, almost the exact same story here but the inverse. In my case the streamer was a kid whose life I made hell for most of high school. At least he's doing better now, from single digits to about 50s-60s over the past year. The guy even thanked me for motivating him to keep going so he could get to grow like that.

I don't know how to feel about it...

>>9659738
>she
>no voice
anon I...

If she is a woman then shes retarded not to use her voice, being a vtuber without a voice is like opening a steakhouse and only serving salad, no matter how good your salad is people aren't going to be interested.

>>9660171
about page says they're a team of vtubers so I'm guessing at least two people the fact they don't speak other than a few prerecorded lines makes it seem like they are both dudes although a couple isn't out of the question. Also some of the lines have a definite esl quality so we could be looking at SEAnigs or poos.

>>9672097
Nta, but that's not the point. Most other chuubas can be played in the background and you can flip back to them when you hear exciting stuff going on. With Vampoyo it's just banjo noises and the game's sound

>>9666789
I kinda like this
Thanks anon

>>9657514
>Its even worse when someone does come in, talks for a bit then suddenly disappears
“Hello. This kind of sucks. I think I’m out”

>>9666789
wholesome

>>9671258
>Its a guy that is why
Guys are skilled

>>9666789
Why didnt you just link her YT?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5zBHBsh9kA&ab_

>>9672747
Saw her stream and immediately subbed

>>9672747
Talk about niche in a niche.

>>9659738
Holy shit this is so cool

>>9672747
I wonder if this is someone who genuinely was passionate about the idea of bringing Bible study and the word of God to Vtubing and just really wanted to do it, or someone who just wants to reach teens/young adults in general going "you know, that Vtubing thing is getting popular" and trying to find that novel way to evangelize like a white 40-something trying to start a Christian rapping gig

>>9673390
lol no
this is someone who thinks 'based and trad' is an untapped cash cow
please enjoy some of her previous work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_-VsyoDhyE

NO YOU FAGGOT I"M NOT SAVING ANYONE

>>9657174
Easy. Be actually entertaining or talented. Look at Cyberlive. They're still tiny now but they're growing really fast comparatively while starting from 0.

>>9666375
Why do retards like you always say shit like lmaoooo xd, it's so obnoxious when you're obviously wrong and yet so confident you are "lmaoing" about how insane what the other person said was. Fucking cocky retard, overconfident subhumans are probably the worst people I've ever known.
Not the same anon btw, just fuck off retard.

If you want to make it on internet as an entertainer, you need to do a lot of analysis and marketing and study sociology and psychology.
After every stream, you need review and evaluate what you did well, where you need to improve, why people might not be attracted to your channel, etc.
>Don't stand out in the catalogue? Need to change up the set up to pop more
Stuff like that.
As a tiny streamer, you need to present your stream in a way where new viewers don't feel guilty for clicking away.

I have this thing, and I assume many people do as well, maybe most people do, that I feel I can take emotional and psychological burden, but I feel others can not.
I feel I could listen to my friends vent all their frustrations about me, because I think I can take it and be fine at the end of the day, but I can not see myself venting my frustrations with them, because I fear that they will get deeply depressed or even suicidal. I even stopped telling other anons to kill themselves because one day I realized some of you guys are real people and some are in fact suicidal and for all I know losing an argument on 4chan might have been someones last straw.
So if I was a 2views, It probably would bother me, but I feel like I could take it, but when I see others being 2views, I am overcome by immense pity for them and burden of guilt. I get the same way about manga with low readership that got axed dozen chapters in.
>Why didn't I read it?
>Would me reading have changed anything?

>>9668181
Every single streamer or those with celebrity aspirations have some personality disorder, usually narcissists.

>>9657174
That really is just how things are in the industry. Too many people want to create and there just isn't enough people to give it all attention, a lot of streamers are bound to be left behind.

>>9673803
I sort of agree, it's hard for me to see them trying so hard yet getting no where, I feel compassion for their pain, but it's impossible to hold up everyone and maybe they were wrong for trying to find an easy way to get rich with no effort so fuck them I guess.

>>9673450
Well in that case, I'm sure God will smite her eventually.

>>9674085
She is still bringing the word of God to the people, even if by deceit.
I was wondering,
If a believer is killed for his belief, they become a martyr and are granted a place in Heaven, right?
So if someone just guns down bunch of devotees while keeping the hate for their belief at the focus of his mind, is this man not delivering these people straight to Heaven, perhaps saving them from becoming apostates?

>>9657174
its me

>>9674596
Under that logic everyone should be lined up against a wall, told to repent their sins then shot. This however flies in the face of god giving humanity free will. It is up to the people to decide their own fate and anyone that seeks to rob them of that choice must be stopped.