/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

What Among Us incident?

>>923844
She could start making the girls praise the CCP before every stream, that would be significantly worse.

>>923857
Referring to this
>>921669

>>923857
Newfags like you deserve the rope. Do your archive reps

>>923844
I think I'm gonna throw up...

>>923844
>Blocks Mori from doing some JP collabs
Since the collab with Korone? What was wrong?

>>923844
Wait, how'd we find out she is korean?

If so thank god not a chink though.

>>923915
Shes been said to constantly tell Calli she cant have certain JP members on her stream, Korone may have been the only exception due to how big she is right now

>>923857
See Gura's line? She basically got destroyed in the game and openly got frustrated. The real ugly situation happened when no one believed Gura when she tried to out Risu as the imposter. However, Risu countered on Gura, and it was Gura who was voted out. Needless to say, that created an awkward situation.

>>923844
Enma graduation when?

>>923961
Spoken like a highschool girl. It's a video game and Gura was playing a character.

>>923961
This is a nothingburger. The real incident was chumbuds harassing Iofi on twitter afterwards for doing a shit job at translation. She can't tardwrangle her fanbase.

>>923844
Why does she suck so much?

>>923980
The fact isnt that shes playing a character or not, its the fact that the awkward situation real or fake made her retard fans go after lofi because she didnt help translate enough. Which is why Enma got furious with the girls and basically barred JP/ID collabs for Gura for the most part

Enma isn't the branch manager, she's either Ina's personal manager or the North American personal manager. A lot of the things people attribute to her are probably above her pay grade, they just don't anyone else in the organizational structure so they think Enma did it.

>>923973
After EN Gen2 complain that they can't collab with JPs enough since it seems Gen1 refuses to complain.

>>923844
incident? lmao that's a frickin stupid unnecessary drama

hope chumbuds learn from this

>>924032
I hope they have a different, less strict manager.

>>924037
12 year olds don't learn.

>>924037
Sadly that "stupid incident" has kept JP and EN apart and basically ruined any chance Gura had of collabing with her senpais.

>>923943
Ina sibling

>>923844
Sounds based tbqhfamalam

>>924022
It didn't do shit you oversensitive sissy retard. No one cares about it except you.

>>924022
Okay, fair enough with Gura, but what about all the other shit?

>>924064
If that rrat is true then it's pure idiocy, whoever unironically thinks they're helping the ENs by keeping them totally quarantined from the JPs is out of their goddamn minds.

They're effectively exiling them from relevance assuming that the EN audience will never have strong crossover/interest in JP, when that is completely obviously dead fucking wrong. What we can see is a sizable contingent of JP fans don't like ENs, but that doesn't actually go the other way around and EN fans are far more receptive to also liking JPs. Cover is fucking losing out, losing money over not having EN/JP work more closely on things. They'd mutually benefit from each other in different ways.

Most of the EN collabs with JP has been average or awkward as fuck. Are you sure she's the right person to blame?

>>924141
And they'll never improve at this rate.

>>923844
>No JP/EN collab
There have been several collabs, take your meds.

Loafy and Risu have both collabed with Ina since then, there's no evidence either of them have hard feelings against the entire branch of something. The only thing that might be true is either Gura got annoyed about cross-language collabs and wrote them off or she got super embarrassed by her fans and wants to avoid that happening again.

>>924108
shut up EOP, you've got your own branch now.

dont you dare watch or donate to our asian holo, we don't need your filthy dick and money

>>924096
> Forced Haachama to leave the EN server and stop the 0th gen gimmick with Coco
Pretty self explanitory
> Blocked COCO from EN collabs
Same as above
> Told Gura to not say 1 million
For some reason they didnt allow her to say 1 million
> Blocks Mori from doing some JP collabs
Mori has tried getting collabs with a bunch of JP senpai and has been rejected at every turn

>>924108
And to clarify by "sizable contingent of JP fans don't like ENs" I mean -western- HoloJP fans seem to have some large chunk who don't like ENs. You're probably not going to win over those people no matter what the ENs do in present or future because of their own prejudices/biases are what does it, not the content or management.

The actual Japanese fans seem to generally love the hell out of EN, considering that they're so heavily separated from interactions generally. Definitely huge wasted opportunities all around with that.

>>924156
Gura's Japanese was also even more basic than mine, last I checked. She just has good pronunciation.

>>923880
I expected some genuine character breaking and rage from the way this is described but Gura sounds at worst a little frustrated. This can't seriously have had any major consequences.

>>924156
I'd put money on the latter which just makes it sadder.

>>924163
t. niggerfaggot

>>924151
If they need to improve in the first place do they really deserve collabs? Just look at ID gen 2, they had no problems with collabs.

>>923844
Didn't Kiara literally just do a concert with Nene?

>>924219
Interactions can't improve and relationships can't be cultivated if they're not allowed to interact, you clown

>>924220
Yes but Kiara strikes me as the type to be very forceful with management since she literally til just recently lived in Japan.

>>924236
Please refer to my second sentence.

>>924163
This filthy dick is going straight into your wife's pussy!

>>924205
Gura is way too afraid to tardwrangle all the fucking faggot children in her fanbase and that is genuinely fucking annoying. Guess she doesn't want to trip up the algo rec boosting shit. So, while she doesn't present herself as outwardly caring about numbers/growth etc whatsoever, in reality coddles the everloving fuck out of Youtube's algos to get exactly that. Basically an inverse of Kiara who outwardly cares a lot about numbers but really doesn't play into the system well.

>>924220
>>924242
Kiara also may be more independent if Jenma has more jurisdiction over these things than Enma for her.

There is also an overall EN branch manager, who was the person Marine ran into at HQ months ago from that little story. Not sure if that is also Enma or if Enma is more like Ina/Gura/Ame's manager, and Jenma is Kiara/Mori.

>>924199
In a stream afterwards Gura basically admitted that she didn't do herself any favors by running off on her own all the time, which meant she could be easily picked off and have no alibi for accusations.

But yeah, there was at least some cohesiveness between the Gen5 and EN groups which meant it was easy to maintain order. The ENxIDxJP collab was essentially just a group of people randomly mashed together and chaos ensued. When that happens, some people with weaker communication skills get lost in the shuffle.

>>924314
Something tells me Jenma has more power over Calli and Kiara than Enma does since they seem to be a lot less tight with them than with Ame,Gura,Ina

I can't believe Ina committed all those war crimes.

>>924285
Someone must have told her (or she assumed on her own) that cursing was what helped fuck over her streaming career when she was an indie.

>>924254
>try something
>it's not perfect
>THEY DON'T DESERVE IT
>just give up

What an absolutely worthless attitude.

>>923844
Also i am just gonna say it, killing a tank with a Katana in Left 4 Dead 2 ain't that fucking impressive, there is even an achievement for killing a Tank with a melee weapon so it is expected for the player to eventually do it, i genuinely don't get why so many people have her in this "badass" pedestal because of this

>>923961
>The real ugly situation happened when no one believed Gura when she tried to out Risu as the imposter. However, Risu countered on Gura, and it was Gura who was voted out.
Thats part of the game ffs

>>924375
Thanks for demonstrating another point. Most of the EN fanbase are massive spergs as witnessed by the amongus collab.

>>924141
>Kiara Subaru
kino
>Kiara Nene
kino
>Kiara Polka
disaster due to tech issues
>Kiara Rushia
meh
>Ame Roboco
cute
>Ame Haachama
meh
>Mori Korone
kino
>Ina PolkaNene
decent

I probably forgot something.
Good track record anyway.

Reminder that the source for everything in the OP is OP's ass. Only the thing about Coco being blocked from collabs holds any merit.

>>924220
Kiara has good enough Japanese to talk to management directly.

>>924434
Ame Mel

EN playing on a separate minecraft server was the beginning of the end

>>924430
>not quitting at the first sign of difficulty is autistic

What kind of absolute retard are you?

>>924170
>For some reason they didnt allow her to say 1 million

I would guess because Korone was about to hit the 1m mark, and Gura shot up out of nowhere to take both the #1 spot and the first member of Hololive to get to 1m.

Based on my knowledge of Japanese culture, they probably didn't want to stir the pot and cause drama by rubbing it in Korone's face that she came within a few days of being the first to get to 1m before someone else swooped in and took it. I don't think that Korone's actress is the type to be jealous or envious, but it would still be a breach of decorum to have a big celebration for Gura under those conditions.

>>924504
This.

>>924064
>Sadly that "stupid incident" has kept JP and EN apart
>Ame + Haachama X2
>Ame + Mel
>Ina + Haachama
>Kiara + Calli + Haachama
>Kiara + Haachama
>Calli + Korone
>Ina + Nene + Polka
Except for all the times it didn't. Think up a better rrat next time.

ENMA HATE

>>924434
Mel and Ame also did that bomb game thing and were in fact ridiculously fucking adorable together, somehow.

Strangely/ironically enough Haachama seems like the absolute fucking worst JP collab partner, while basically all the other ones went great. I'd chalk that up to Haachama's English being fractional but not quite there, so if you try to talk to her in normal English it'll still be hard for her and people get a false sense of security assuming she'll understand stuff, leading to her constant blank stares when she doesn't. Also, Haachama herself very rarely collabs with fucking anyone ever, so, is surprisingly inexperienced at it considering how long she's been around. Not like Gen 1 works anywhere near as close as 4, 5 or EN do. She's from the early wild west days of Holo before tons of protocols/strategies were put in place.

>>924220
Jenma good
Enma bad

>>924504
I die inside every time Ollie makes friends in the JP server and produces kino moments like kaichou wedding and miko horse knowing we'll never see EN girls interact with them like that

>>924434
Kiara had an unmemorable collab with matsuri and a fun one with Haachama. Ina had one or two Haachama collabs.

>>924220

Yes, and on top of that Nene accidentally streamed on Kiara's channel because Kiara left her account logged into Nene's computer.

>>924553
I agree, the Haachama collabs were fucking shit and boring, but I didn't say anything because /hlgg/ can't stop sucking her futa dick

>>924565
>Nene accidentally streamed on Kiara's
SHE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

>>924562
Considering how incredibly lovey-touchy Matsuri is in-person it was a real fucking letdown that Kiara didn't let her go wild just for the content. It was what, a fucking fried chicken eating ASMR stream? Of all the things to do? I guess it sounded like a better idea than it turned out to be.

>>924580
Nene is hackerman...

>>924561
At the time I thought EN girls were just being too impatient to wait for the 1 month collab ban before jumping on the minecraft bandwagon, if it actually came from management they're beyond incompetent.

I've been getting Botanpilled, hope she can do a collab with EN soon

>>924163
You will never be a jap woman

>>924342
Calli has a different manager from all the girls.
Kiara shares Jenma with 2 JP girls and Enma is implied to be the NA girls manager.

>>924643
She's helping Kiara pack up her computer so... maybe there is some hope for future?

>>924565
Forgot the pic.

>>924535
Calli also did a Phantasmagoria stream with Ollie.

>>924619
It didn't, EN server was the holos idea.
However it's possible they enforced a seperation later on given that Haachama was literally forced out of the EN server by that FUCKING WHORE ENMA and Kiara hasn't played there despite being in Japan and having a spot reserved in Usada Constructions

>EN/JP collabs
Pretty obvious why they don't do them, the language barrier is huge. They're STILL doing them, though.

>Content blocked.
Some of it was just a one-off or boring in the first place.

>Mori blocked from anything.
Bruh, she's busy as fuck. She even streams irregularly.

>Something something Gura hated/blocked.
Not true. Gura is just lazy.

>Korean.
Hot.

>>923857
There wasn't one. Molehill: meet Mountain.

>>924693
I agree with everything but the Gura part.
I don't think it's laziness,If it was she wouldn't even stream as often as she does. I think she is genuinely scared to even try because she is scared to tell her fans not to be massive autismos. She saw what they did to iofi and she doesn't want them to turn on her like that.

>>924767
Did they actually do anything? There's a lot of heresay but...

>>924504
If holo CN played on the jp server they would not have graduated

>>924786
It was mostly just some people on reddit and twitter attacking her. Also Gura's discord went full salt or something.

>>924504
Yeah, don't get why EN doesn't play there.

>>924619
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that when they announced they were doing it it was basically "for training" because none of them had much experience in the game yet, aka they didn't necessarily want to look stupid in front of the JP senpai. It seems that they voluntarily decided on doing their own server, so I'd chalk it up to pure naivete of them not realizing at all what they were doing or why Holo minecraft is so big - all the endless collabs and social mingling moments and stupid little competitions/grudges etc. Starting vanilla nukes all that cross potential dead. My rrat would be that probably Kiara and Ina knew what a serious fucking mistake it was, but somewhere between Mori/Gura/Ame pushed for it and because it's such a strong buff game they relented.

At the time they started their server, they were new and riding all the hype so they could still make vanilla, barren world Minecraft into big streams/collabs - but now here we are only 5 months later and the server is rather fucking dead and un-hype. Many of Kiara's streams are literally her wandering around doing jack shit, so are Ina's. Gura wouldn't even play on the actual server vs trying other modes. They don't really have anything to do or any specific goals. Apparently some things like the Ender Dragon are just too hard and they clearly don't have the motivation for big construction projects. No shit they don't, because there's nobody else around to see them and no friendly competition like on the JP server.

I'd fucking suggest that they all start an EN construction company on the JP server and, for example build Atlantis on there because JP already has a guardian farm perfectly suited for that, and ENs could then do it as a group project instead of expect Gura to solo it which she clearly doesn't want to tackle.

>>924688
Is there proof that ENma forced her out?

>>924786
No, it's just like the Gura/Fubuki thing, minor incident caused by moronic children forgotten by everyone but narrative spinners on 4chan

>>924844
What they should do is simple: make a cross server jump like they have for the JP resource server.

>>924813
Does owning virtual land make you a full citizen in hololiveland and gives you right to vote?
Will HoloEN become figurative nigger slaves to HoloJP if they will ever be allowed to stay there, forever forced to spend nights farming mats for their japanese masters?

>>924813
You know that actually really does stand a damn good chance of being a fact. Minecraft literally is what saved the ID branch from irrelevance to boot.

>>924848
Haachama said on one of her streams "management" told her to cut the 0th gen shit out and to leave the EN server due to it being "EN only" which is retarded since it basically says that JP members can never go into that server to help out or to have the craic

>>924927
That manager is a fucking nigger.

>we can never have JP grills practice their English in the EN server because of some company policy

I really hope EN Gen2 has a completely separate staff team. EN Gen1 staff seems to be all but incompetent and show no signs of ever changing that.

>>924927
Did you see the stream or is this something you saw posted on 4chan?

>>925208
anon, she even posted it on twitter. Go to haato's twitter RIGHT NOW. It was more than two weeks ago

>>925208
She had an entire stream about her last day in ENs server and she mentioned it offhand, quick enough to not be caught by management but loud enough so we all know

These rrats are getting less believable by the second...

>>924927
I need a source because that’s a big fucking RRAT you got there

>>924520
>Based on my knowledge of Japanese culture, they probably didn't want to stir the pot and cause drama
My experience dealing with Japanese companies and organizations is that the Japanese main branch will always be treated as superior, period. Whatever achievement an overseas branch reaches will be either be diminished or painted as a result of the good choices of JP main branch.
It's so in the face at times that it hurts, I've seen new management roles being created just so a Japanese person can be put nominally in charge of an overseas branch and get the credit for the work of a western management.
Also, in sports that haven't been taken over by international organizations, like Judo has, or doesn't have very objective win criteria (knock out your opponent) you just don't beat Japan unless your performance is so clean and perfect that no one can deny it, they'll rob you of points and outright steal a match for Japan.
You can be pretty sure that there's JP management that's bitter over EN's growth - for every person that may be supper happy that the brand they built in Hololive has gained such an international reach, there is one livid that suddenly newcomers from another branch were eclipsing years of work hard grind of their talents in mere weeks.

>>924927
Do we have proof that it was EN management that told her that? For all we know it might have been someone higher up in cover that suggested it.

>>925288
I can and WILL blame all of Cover's bullshit on Enma, I don't care.

>>925268
>They made an entire EN branch because they thought it would grow slowly.
Anon... pls...

>>925256
https://youtu.be/tJOyOUuhfkE?t=1439
>>925288
Its pretty obvious SOMEONE on the EN side told her to or suggested it to JP because JPs side doesnt usually give a shit

>>925268
inb4 some retarded middle management pisses off the entire overseas audience, fucks over Hololive's success entirely because they're fucking retarded, and commits sudoku in shame

>>924022
Rushia literally fucking does the same thing, no one thought Gura was actually mad

>>923844
Nice rrat, now where's your real proof.

>>925360
Read it again you literal retard.

>>925330
She doesn't say shit about management, anon.

>>924667
Based lion helping get rid of kusotori

>>925304
>>925330
But why Emma always get blamed, she's just doing her job, nothing personal. Plus how can we have such hate on such a cute dork.

>>925306
They definitely didn't think it would be as big of a hit than it became. Although to be fair, neither did anybody else.

>>925334
This is less likely to happen after the China arc.

>>925402
Easy target since she can't fight back.

>>925402
Because Jenma seems very easy-going and lets Kiara do whatever she wants, so Enma looks like a Nazi bitch by comparison and most likely is responsible for everything.

The only problem EN has is the irrational cumbuds. Pollute the water.

>>925417
>They definitely didn't think it would be as big of a hit than it became.
Oh? You have proof of this rrat, too, that goes beyond, "dude, trust me," or, "just find the source yourself?"

Enma HATE

>>925441
To be fair Kiara seems like too much of a handful and would fight back so Jemma feels it's not worth the effort to deny her and Mori, plus both are in Japan anyways so it's easier for colabs anyways.

>>925492
based

>>925542
Mori has a different manager.
Some managers seem really lenient while others like Watames are more strict.

>>925306
They probably thought it would grow quickly, but more like "get to half a million within a year" quickly not "be the first in the entire company to get to the 1m and 2m marks, swipe it from a Japanese talent about a week before she would have gotten it, and be set to have the entire generation get to 1m within their first year" fast.

They figured it would be a success, they're just unprepared for HOW successful EN would end up being.

>>925561
Sure they didn't.

>>925592
Are you seriously saying that they expected Gura to reach 1 million in six weeks?

>>925643
>Untapped market.
>Their own JP talents on a runaway.
Yeah, probably. Everyone knew it would, even us. No one thought it wouldn't blow up. Go be a tourist someplace else.

>>925706
Nobody's contending EN would have FAILED, dude. Just that I don't think anyone expected it to be such as successful as quickly.

>>925330
>>925375
She says here that she was banned because she isn't Hololive English:
https://youtu.be/tJOyOUuhfkE?t=1887

>>923844
Isn't she Singaporean? Someone posted her linkedin in /jp/ months ago. Or is that another one?

>>924813
Kanata is the only one jp I know playing in the CN server before, I saw the clip

>>925772
or you know it's just a gag?

>>925559
>Mori has a different manager.
The hell, she got some made up persona like Kenma or something or we haven't reach that point yet.

>>925814
>Hurr she doesnt say anything about HoloEn or Mangement
>Gets show proof
>Hurr its just a gag

Take your meds

>>925334
anon, sudoku is traditional board game

the word you looking for is seppuku

>>925882
Found the fucking newfag

>>925882
clap clap
next meme

I really think second generation can speak Japanese, i think that one of the main reasons EN gen 1 is so isolated.

Look at Kiara, she had the most interacton with the JP girls.

I don't know why they don't collab with Coco, maybe becasue the scandal?

I'm not familiar with the manager names. Who's Jenma? This one?

I can't believe Kiara said that two bombs wasn't enough to her JP collaborators.

>>924844
I'm pretty sure they play on a realm too, meaning if EN gen2 joins it's already gotta be at it's player limit.
Hope they merge the server or just ditch it.

>>924884
>JP resource server
what?

>>926123
>This anon has performed exactly ZERO reps.
Bruh.

>>926145
Threads outside of the main threads are filled with newfags and people trying to stir shit with their retarded narratives like this thread

>>925930
Coco has talked about it, she gets ghosted when asking for collabs with EN

>>926145
i am not doing reps for fucking minecraft

>>926232
The only known contact between her and EN so far is when Kiara directly DMd Coco as far as I know.

>>925882
>being this new

>>926145
>minecraft
>reps
Are you serious

>>926279
Not that anon, but here is Coco's explanation
https://streamable.com/4u1o75

>>926085
You can have a max of 11 players in a realm at any one time (10 friends + host). But you can invite more people to join the server, they just can't get in if the server is full, but I doubt EN will ever have that many in game at once, so it should be fine.

>>925592
Go ahead. Predict how well or poorly EN2 will perform.

>>926368
>https://streamable.com/4u1o75
I really need to learn Japanese before i turn 30

>>923844
OP is once again a fucking delusional rrat.
> No JP/EN collab cause of one incident in Among Us
First point is already wrong.

>>926368
I don't speak an inferior language what does she say?

>>926383
Better than your (You)s.

>>923844
>people still actually think that Enma is Ina’s sister
Rumao

>>924927
Management told her to not to use the HoloEN hashtag because she isn't actually an EN girl which makes sense so now she uses the HoloEN Gen0 one. Just recently she applied to Hole EN Gen 2 ON STREAM. Also they still invite girls into the server. Most recently Reine with Ame.

>>924352
>war crimes
they deserved it

>>924434
>>924553
You forgot the kino Ina/Haachama bullying stream
https://streamable.com/yy065r

>>923844
You know, I can mostly understand how a cautious manager can do all that, but blocking her from saying 1 million, what the fuck?

Good. HoloEN girls are either too cringe (gura) or too annoying (mori) or too awkward (amelia, ina) or all of the above (kiara).

>>926508
>>926514
>I've been asking about about it but no answer yet, please be patient until I get an answer (or maybe I'm blacklisted haha? jk)

>>925814
>just a gag
Well she never came back, nor anyone else played it there nor EN played it in JP too.

>>924407
Chumbuds can’t handle gura not being the star of the show we have known this since forever.

>>926644
Go back >>/jp/

>>926841
This. /vt/ is a safe space and if you have a different opinion than mine you simply need to leave.

Would Emma and Jenma be real girls once EN gets 3D or would that give Ina and Kiara too much power?

>>925882
I'm leaving this site. Can't stand to read bullshit like this anymore

>>923844
>all this rrat

sasuga /vt/

>>925882

>>927052
See you tomorrow!

why do you guys believe literally anything you read on this website without any substantiation whatsoever? take your fucking meds goddamn. there needs to be a psych test to post here.

>>924927
She is allowed to use hololive En0. That's literally the hashtag the management created for Coco and her to use.

>>927222
The people on this board live in delusions.

They take joy in coming up with elaborate narratives that rile up others. The others don't question it because they're not looking for accuracy, they're looking to gossip or to experience outrage/righteous anger.

>>927222
Dismissing negative comments about the EN branch is more delusional than the exaggerated rrats

>>925994
I knew her. I was her ex colleague in Singapore. Giant weeb. Giant control freak. Giant butch.

>>923857
>>924848
here's a recap of what happened

https://files.catbox.moe/t80ciw.webm

The only forbidden JP is probably Coco and that's definitely a decision from above ENma's payroll. Gura doesn't collab with JP because she doesn't know a lick of JP. Amelia doesn't either but she gives no fucks.

>>924402
>there is even an achievement...so it is expected for the player to eventually do it
>mfw terraria fishing achievements

>>927489
>https://files.catbox.moe/t80ciw.webm
T
hank you for that, my ears needed a massage.

>>926644
>Kiara = Awkward
You're a massive dumbass

>>927489
post egg

>>924095
maybe you are too retard to remember

>>924108
the language barrier is a bigger deal than you think. im completely certain a lot of collabs dont happen due to language. i like the effort ame puts into collabing with JP despite barely knowing any japanese but my god that shits awkward

>>927393
A negative comment that's observable is fine, e.g.
>The Among Us collab was awkward
>Gura got killed a lot

Maybe people can disagree with opinion statements like the awkwardness, but they can at least check if they disagree.

Negative comments that can't be confirmed or denied are just garbage rrat, which is most of what's in the OP:
>Forced Haachama to leave the EN server and stop the 0th gen gimmick with Coco
>Blocked COCO from EN collabs
>Told Gura to not say 1 million
>Blocks Mori from doing some JP collabs
>Stifled any real relationship the EN JP and ID girls can have to a point where it feels dead

These all can't be confirmed or denied unless you watch every stream ever and listen for mentions of Enma. So it's all garbage rrat.

>>927991
newfagchaama...

>>926939
I don't think we are getting the A-chan treatment ever.

>>927521
The point anon, is that even Ame isn't collabing anymore.

>>927991
I'll confirm for you: literally none of them have ever been confirmed. Not even the Coco one, despite its likelihood, as Coco never actually said outright she was being blocked, it's just a suspicion she has. It's all /x/-tier conspiritard bullshit contrived by manchild anons acting like gossiping schoolgirls or otherwise trying to deflect criticism away from their oshi.
t. no-lifer who watches every EN/Haachama/Coco stream/vod

>>924553
>Haachama herself very rarely collabs with fucking anyone ever, so, is surprisingly inexperienced at it considering how long she's been around.
what's up newfag.

>>928204
Ina has a collab with Mel LITERALLY THIS WEEK you colossal fuckwit.
By the way, remember back when you retards were convinced that Ina was being blocked by EnMa from JP collabs due to racism? And that rrat had even MORE going for it than most of the ones in this thread. You people are psychotic.

>>928341
Explain this >>925772

>>923844
Gura doesn't collab with EN/ID because she knows her chumbuds are tribalistic assholes that don't care about hololive. I'm honestly starting to believe that the hate for EnMa is just scapegoating the real issue, which is retarded EoP secondaries

Has it occurred to anyone that maybe JP girls are refusing collabs because they don't want to start running a daycare in their chat by overlapping viewer base with EN talents?

source: this thread

>>928534
She had been asked not to use the EN official hashtag, so, since this is fucking Haachama we're talking about, she decided to spin it into content by proclaiming that she wouldn't return to the EN server until she was "officially" HololiveEN, and would do frequent English streams until she was more fluent (which she never actually stuck to.) Of course, you would know all this if you actually gave a shit about her or her content, but you don't, you're more interested in petty gossip. Ame, Gura, and I'm pretty sure Kiara have all said of their own accord that Haachama is free to come back whenever she wants.

>>928754
You are very optimistic anon, I envy you.

>>928685
Wait, you mean to tell me that EN hololive fans aren't the same as JP fans? This is news to me

>yfw Gura's first JP colab is Coco and all the ratts and bugs comment mass suicide.

>>928889
Please Enma, do some vermin purge!

>>925402
You're only sticking up for Enma because you were tricked into thinking that Enma's a woman.

>>928889
Doubt it'll happen, Coco was clearly salty over Gura's numbers when she mentioned the 1 million in her asacoco or meme review, whichever.
I'd kill for Gura to say "good-morning motherfuckers"

>>928852
Everything i said is literally straight from her fucking mouth. Also get a fucking grip dude,

>You are very optimistic anon, I envy you

we're talking about virtual anime girls, not some shadowy deepstate conspiracy holy shit, how are you not embarrassed to fucking talk like that? Get your LARPer bullshit out of here

>>929046
rrat

>>929046
>Coco-senpai, this is for you

>>929080
>t.doesn't watch Coco
archive reps, anon. Did you forget her comment about future generations of hololive debuting with millions of subs?

>>923956
Enma isn't Calli's manager though..

>>929141
>y-you don't watch Coco!!!!!
nice rrat, faggot

>>929134

>>929141
actually schizophrenic

Collabs are overrated. The most successful and active rarely collab and those that do generally only collab with people in their unit (SMOK/SENPAITACHI or Gen5) or because of convenience (MC collab or Apex duos). It is very hard to manage it and very hard to execute it especially if you add the language barrier. There are a lot in HoloJP that is yet to collab with other people other than the same people like Aqua, Korone and Pekora. Stop with the demands. It will only turn into a cringefest.

>>923844
Don't forget:
>not letting any of them collab with ANY EN vtubers, not just shitlisted ones like vshojos
>not letting them collab with anyone outside the hololive bubble in general

People might have their concerns on WHO they should allow, but it wouldn't be hard to find ones that are decent and trusted enough not to pull any shit.

>>923844
Do you guys think ID and JP hates Gura?

Idk about the incident at all but jp and en are too different. Actually, only Kiara can keep up with the jp hardcore shit. Their jokes are very aggressive like male comedians and pretty contextual. Mori wouldn't do anything more than a boring talk show, without the knowledge/experience of Japanese norms. Coco knows about a bunch of subtle Japanese things that aren't translated into English at all and most of her jokes are completely that of Japanese.

Sora, roboko, watame, and Mel might match the current en members. They are usually soft and calm.

>>929837
Yeah. Their jokes are very different. Kiara, Anya, Ollie, Reine, Mori, Ina can blend right in along with Sora, Robocco, Aki, Choco, Subaru, Fubuki, Korone and Mel. They are the ones I think that consumes Western media and are more proficient at least in written English and very basic conversational English. If a collab can happen these are the people that can make it happen.

can't wait for JP collabs to happen more often and for it to be recealed that the EN girls just weren't confident in their japanese at the time or to shy to approach their senpai's since they're all Vtuber fans since before they joined

>>927268
Proof? She stopped using it after she stopped going to the EN server.

>>930191
Mori is already shared it recently. Basically, she is hesitant to ask because she thinks they other stuff in the works or don't want to collab with her??. Only Kiara has enough guts to ask. Maybe Ina but she's more comfortable asking her juniors to collab in ID and Gen5 like Polka and Nene.

https://youtu.be/Q3sW8AlPQ5M

>>923844
The issue is Gura and her inability to collab 1on1 with JPs. It's not a ban but Gura's anxiety that has prevented it. I think they need to force her to do it. If Ame does them, why can't the top dog Gura do one.
And Coco is continually fucked over by management. If she weren't American, she'd be treated better. EN exists almost entirely because of Coco. Let her collab, YAGOO

>>930336
She stopped using HololiveEN then, but kept using HololiveEN0.

>>929622
ID, no. JP senpai, yeah. They at least resent their kouhai not collabing with a single one of them. Gura could bring some much desired EOP eyes to a few smaller Holomem. Mel and RBC are always open to collabs.

>>930394
She has been collabing with other holomembers now. And as far as I can tell from how she talks about Kiara, she seems quite fond of her or at least amused of Kiara's shenanigans. We know she loves Ollie and Ollie is pretty much the ID version of Kiara. I prefer Ollie though because she plays FPS games

>>930394
Fucking christ they are so beta
Even Ame has more JP collabs than them and she doesn't even fucking speak japanese

>>930463
Really?? Where did you get that from? We know Gura got her instrumentals for her Karaoke from her Senapais. And we know that her Senpais like Mel would leave a message on her chat when she streams.

>>930336
you're a fucking retard and don't even understand the circumstances around the rrats you're peddling. The EN0 hashtag was created when she was asked not to use the EN hashtag. She decided to stop playing on the EN server until her English is good enough to give her "official" EN status. I don't understand why you are so invested in all these rrats if you don't even care about the chuubas they concern, you would need to be an absolute newfag not to know all this.

>>928889
now imagine those chumbuds clashing against the autistic coco antis

>>930147
I'd push Sora. She's actually well balanced as the centerpiece of Hololive. She has never been awkward/shy with anyone, and is easy going. She would work well with any en member. Imo she's the best girl for Guras first international collab

>>930591
Yeah. They can play Fall Guys. The game will be engaging enough that Gura can focus in the game while not worry about making conversation. Or that bomb game

I would still go with a HoloID first. Like Ollie or Iofi. They can carry her anxiety. Subaru can be good too. She can make anything interesting.

>>930687
>HoloID
This, any of them would work since they all know English, bless those girls.

>>926558
visits are allowed but it really does seem like management is against JPs actually going on the EN server past their visitation stream

>>931023
I want the EN server to die. The EN girls need to migrate to the JP. There is just so much in there already that they can work on. They don't have to interact with the JP but not being able to add more lore to any interesting shits happening in JPMC server is just depressing. You can tell how much brain power Gura has to do every week just to think of what to do in their empty server

So many rrats here-everywhere! Vermintide will eat-eat consume all of /vt/ for the Horned RRAT!

>>931023
why, because some random anon said so? actually stop and use your brain for a change; why the fuck would management give a shit which server the girls play on, and why the fuck would most of the JP girls want to play on the EN server on their own time when all of their friends, builds, and inventories are already on the JP server? And before that fucking Haachama clip gets posted for the thousandth fucking time, no, that doesn't prove shit, read the thread

>>931127
Do EN even play Minecraft anymore?
I can't remember the last minecraft stream

>>931262
Honestly minecraft is pretty boring outside specific clips.

>>923844
Most Bitter expresso you'll ever drink.

>>931242
spin the chessboard around. Kiara loves her JP senpais to death, yet she has only been on the JP server once. On top of that, the ID server combined with the JP server yet the EN server has not. I doubt this has to do with ping since Mori, Kiara and Ina were all in Japan.
Adding on to that, using the HololiveEN hashtag was beneficial to Haachama because it widened her audience pool. She was forced by management to switch to the HololiveEN0 hashtag for some reason.
We don't have all of the details so it's retarded to just rule out management playing a role.

>>928204
It’s revealed that ame is a shit collab partner with anyone that isn’t gura

>>925793
Miko visited in a bilibili exclusive video

>>931710
I had fun when she played board games with Ina.

>>931664
Kiara has stated several times that she has been invited to play on the JP server anytime she wants, but she doesn't want to feel like she's abandoning the EN server nor does she want to juggle playing on two different servers between her MC streams, especially considering she only streams MC once a week or less. ID gen 1 only had 3 members, one of which barely plays MC, trying to compare ID's situation to EN's is fucking retarded, EN had five members with near zero MC knowledge and 2 members with zero JP skills, which was the logic behind wanting their own server. From the beginning, they've all said they could have started out on the JP server but instead wanted to build their own little community. I don't even know wtf you're trying to get at with the Haachama thing, that has nothing to do with this and it's already been established that she left the EN server of her own volition. And you're right, we don't have ALL the details, so it's fucking deranged to jump to conclusions and pin it all on some scapegoat like you're doing now. You need to make so many assumptions to back up this rrat, when reality is painting a much clearer, simpler image: the ENs want to stick to their server, and the JPs to theirs. Woah, I know, some fucking mind-blowing revelations here, but feel free to keep getting angry at Enma or whoever the fuck else so that you don't have to hold the talents accountable for not wanting to stream fucking Minecraft the way you want them to.

Why are the nips obsessed with having so many managers? They're streamers for fuck sake, all this micromanaging is ridiculous

>>932048
Not that guy, but the Hachama thing at least is pretty suspicious. There's no reason to make a big deal out of choosing to not hang out there for a while, it feels more like an actual restriction.

>>932048
the amount of mental gymnastics you have to do to protect your ego is astonishing. If you cant see the many holes in your reasoning within that post then i'm surprised you have the mental capacity to clear the captcha

>>932080
desu they have more responsibilities than just streaming, makes sense that they'd need a designated wrangler to coordinate collabs, secure permissions, delegate or oversee sponsored content, deal with all the white-tape and paperwork likely involved with merch and music, moderate chat and help manage social media/PR stuff, and keep the talents in line with company policy

>>932267
All the red tape for what's basically a bunch of girls who shitpost on the internet sure is a mess. At least they got that part of being idols down.

>>932386
Welcome to the awful world of intellectual property regulations. You're here forever, especially if you work for an actual corporation that's a bigger target for lawsuits.

>>932200
the difference between our posts is that yours was all speculation, while mine was based on things the talents have actually said themselves. it's pretty telling how you're unwilling to point out these apparent holes. i don't even know why i bother arguing with you deluded rrat peddlers desu
>>932160
if you can jump to the conclusion that Haachama was kicked out by management, then you can just as easily interpret it as her leaving because of what's stated here>>928754
the difference being that the latter is backed up by statements from Haachama and the ENs, shit that we KNOW, while the management rrat is based on assumptions and headcanon

>>932435
The worst part about it is it the threats of doing something that stop companies even when those threats have long standing of not actually holding up. You're either too small to fight and too big to want to fight, copyrights are a mess.

>>932267
>PR stuff
>moderate chat
Good joke anon, also the collab stuff is an absolute mess. Take Coco reaching out to Enma and getting ghosted, what is that about. Copyright stuff sure I can understand, but not the rest

>>932518
No one ever said all the managers were good at their jobs.

>>924535
where's gura collab? ohhhhh

>>923844
Her being korean makes a lot of sense as she's a fucking worthless cunt

>>923844
Nice narrative, faggot.

>>930394
They're protecting the EN members from the chinese spam. All those messages ruin the experience for new viewers.

Why is Gura not allowed to say 1 million?

>>932984
Because Polka is jelly

>>929162
Apparently Enma still calls the shots for everyone in EN anyway, meaning she's still the one for a final approval.

>>932491
Otherwise known as the chilling effect.

>>932984
Because she snatched it away from Korone so the JPs got buttman and forbade Gura from acknowledging the milestone in any way.
She had to do a vague and ambiguous "thx for your support" stream that didn't mention the number instead.

Cover also told her they would make something happen for her celebration of 1m (Gura said this as an explantion for why she "didn't" (wasn't allowed to) make a celebration stream "yet").
But guess what, they were lying, it was just an excuse so they didn't look like blatant villains. No such event ever happened.

>>932984
She wasn't barred from it, when she hit 1 million subs two of the biggest hololove JPs were approaching the mark, so she was a good little kohai and humbly did not make a big deal over it. Her rabid fanbase of retarded numberfags were offended though, despite her senpai congratulating her. It was a great showing of Fubuki's and Gura's kindness

>>923844
I'll drink that coolaid, fuck it. Just rrat me up, ogey kun.

>>933199
Maybe this would be believable if it wasn't for Gura literally saying Cover was organizing a celebration for it that NEVER fucking happened.
She was banned from it. Nobody is autistic enough to actually think "you know what, I will just literally never say the number '1 million' - that's it, that'll make me a good and respectful kohai. I'll just never say those words".
Not to mention Gura can't even be assed to address the JPs with -senpai and overlapped some big time streams, yet suddenly she's supposed to care that much?

>>923844

> Hololives threads on vt
> 80% treats them like Game of Thrones meets Mad Max meets cute anime girl gamer

Why is this board so freaking authistic

>>932984
Because anon said so, duh. Seriously though, look through this thread and notice how anytime an argument is presented that debunks these narratives, the rrats mysteriously are nowhere to be found until a confused anon like you pops up. None of OP's points other than the Coco one have any susbstantive argument to them, it's all baseless speculation by schizos who don't even watch the streams, otherwise they would present arguments that couldn't be instantly debunked by words from the talent's own mouths.

>>933507
That sounds pretty sick desu

>>933419
I forgot about the "Gura is an asshole that hates hololive" rrat

>>923844
Ina and ame can and do collab with jps. Mori is a different manager, can collab but is usually too autistic for most of the normal jps, but been getting there slowly. Gura is too insecure to collab because shes one huge autist, watch her streams and you'll know, she's so scared of not knowing what to say in streams that she always makes a note of topics beforehand.

>>923844
If someone dicked Enma would she stop being such a bitch?

>is Korean
Is she actually Ane'nis?

>>933845
It's ironic that Gura gets so anxious about JP collabs because she could literally limit her vocab to 10 Japanese words, wiggle around, and make cutes noise for two hours and the JP girls would happily fawn over her.

>>925882
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>923844
at least japanese dont really want collabs with holo en members. also you redditor clipfags dont understand it but coco without japanese topics is just a boring whore.

>>925402
You're tricking yourself because of that stupid avatar and are too stupid to differentiate reality from a drawing.

>>925561
They probably didn't thought it would grow so fast because the jp branch grew really slowly so the few eops that were subscribed to jps would migrate slowly too.

>>924163
based

>>926383
Newer gens have been doing better than the last every time.
Pekora took a while to reach 300k, but Polka did it in a little over a month.

>>924434
>most of the kino collabs were from the members who is fluent in nip nong or the one who is at least somewhat conversational

>>926514
But you speak english?

>>932048
Well at this point there's nothing fucking left to abandon anyway. They all ought to try out the JP server for a fresh start because clearly they are bored as fuck in the literal backwater boonies EN server.

>>925882
you need to be at least 18 to post here.

For the retards peddling the "Haachama was banned from EN server that", do you not see how fucking stupid the narrative is? After being "banned" from the EN server, Haachama has had multiple collabs with EN members, which are somehow fine. Even though, according to you, she's banned from building a dirt tower on an empty server where no one one was even online at the same time as her.

What actually happened, as in is confirmable:
>Haachama joined the server to connect with the EN girls
>The EN server is fucking boring, and no one was ever online at the same time as her
>She was scolded the #HoloEN tag, probably for branding reasons

Following the scolding, she probably just thought of turning it into content by doing a fake graduation stream.

>>924170
>Mori has tried getting collabs with a bunch of JP senpai and has been rejected at every turn
man, that's sad

>>932937
You know what would stop the Zhang spammers? Dedicated mods paid by Cover.

>>937150
Because they did such a good job last time.

>>936926
If she quit the EN server because it fucking sucks and was too nice to say it then that kinda makes sense, although Haachama has had a serious wanting to work on her English audience and still does so I don't think she'd just pack it up and destroy her building if she simply got bored of it.

There's no real reason to take the time to tear down her structure carefully, unless say, a manager wanted all major evidence of her having even been there gone so that random faggot 13 year olds don't see it and "what's that over there" in a few months.

It seems EN management worries way too much about what random completely-new viewers think, which is pretty fucking dense considering how many of them have proven to be dead subs now. They are not worth catering to or bending over backwards over vs actual hardcore fans. Gura's streams should be at like 70-100k viewers nonstop, for being at almost 2.3 million subs which were gained only in 5 months. Where'd they all go? They fucked off. Looking at someone like Fubuki's numbers, she has been there for about 3 years, so it makes sense there is tons of natural turnover by then, but the epidemic of randos subbing after watching a clip or 10 minutes of one stream and never touching it again is absolutely not real growth.

It's the pattern of English speaking web, and management is mistaking it for "wow so much growth we should do everything we can to keep that up" when in reality EN viewership has leveled off to be really, around usual JP holo numbers. For having a language base 10x the size of Japan's, this is actually not comparatively successful, or at least not remotely living up to the potential it could be at. Unsurprisingly anime/Japanese culture isn't as ubiquitous in the West as it is in Japan so they'll never get 10x bigger than the JP holos. So they ought to focus on cultivating who they do have because the excess really isn't gonna stick around. Tons of randos have subbed but don't become real viewers compared to the Japanese. When the Japanese sub to a Holo, they really fucking mean it, it's something earned from them. That isn't true in the West where people basically use a sub like a bookmark/organizer for Youtube.

>>935158
She's truly socially anxious and too self aware to do that. I said they should force her to collab but I could see her breaking down and ending stream suddenly in tears. She might even quit. Maybe a group collab with Ame, Aki, and Roboco to ease her into it since their English is pretty good and their not spastic like Haachama.

>>936452
If you debuted after summer of 2020 then you have a huge influx of EOPs new to vtubers that boosted your subcount from day 1. Gura had like 400K before her debut stream and even ID2 had 150K before debut(ollie only).

>>937150
Yes please. Give them 10% SC earnings idc

>>937294
The ENs were similar to Gen 5's number pre-debut actually, and Gura was actually considered a flop in her first week. It was her first Muse Dash stream which really turned things around for her and built a hype train.

>>937192
Let Coco and other trusted mods like Pochimaru decide who gets moderator status and leave the incompetent Cover staff out of it.

>>923989
that didn't happen it was 1 chink that got iofi upset
retarded fucker

>>937213
>>936926
none of her fans give a fuck about holo en server lol and she knows it. wonder why this shit even matters here. or nobody gives a fuck about gaijins.

>>937326
You sure about that? I could've sworn Ame and Gura had several hundred thousand subs before the end of the first week. Gura simply skyrocketed after Muse Dash and her first karaoke stream.

>>937333
that's actually true, there were only a few retards saying it on twitter, but since Iofi responded to it, the twitter and reddit whiteknight crowd came in to make it a way bigger deal than it actually was

>>937213
>They are not worth catering to or bending over backwards over vs actual hardcore fans.
That's a persistent western problem.

>>937213
>There's no real reason to take the time to tear down her structure carefully
Yeah, there is actually. The structure was unfinished and ugly, and she didn't want it to bother the EN girls. Also, she turned dismantling it into content for her fake graduation. This is way more believable than management micromanaging Minecraft structures, considering SHE IS NOT EVEN BANNED FROM COLLABING.

The rest of your post is retarded numberfagging that doesn't merot a response.

>>937383
There's no fucking way Gura debuted at 400k. They were all well south of 100k if I recall correctly, more like 60-70s which was actually lower than Gen 5 which had the first incidence of debuting at 100k (only Botan managed this iirc).

We had only seen their designs/channels open for like a week before they had started and were complete doom and gloom mode that they were all going to suck monumentally and it'd be a failure. Their turnaround is the biggest cinderella story in Holo by far. Sharkmeido, well before he was ever called that, had split off Global out of /hlg/ basically to exile it. However he quickly grew to like them as well.

>>926876
Yes

>>937445
You do know Cover staff are the biggest numberfags of all, right. Not necessarily the talents or their immediate managers, but people looking into growth and marketing literally have these numbers as their fucking business and livelihood. They are most likely the ones pushing for some of the strangely sheltered meta we see with EN.

>>927489
>https://files.catbox.moe/t80ciw.webm
Holy shit, is this true?

>>937605
>Cover staff are the biggest numberfags of all
source please

>>937617
That's kinda hot.

>>937617
I fucking hate this image because I can hear Kiara's voice so fucking clearly

>>936359
>comparing a tiny island market with a market that potentially covers every first world country on the planet
Yeah, lending a bit of cred to the rrat that cover is utterly incompetent at business decisions.

>>937630
Are you a naive kid? They're a business. They raised millions (5-6ish?) in venture capital to start out with - that comes with strings attached; VCs seek large market sizes because they own some of the IP and expect it to pay off only if Cover makes it big. The big profit-taking comes from marketing, promotions etc, which themselves come with clout. Numbers = clout. Kizuna Ai is to us completely irrelevant but still has a bunch of big brand name promos going, which pull in the big bucks, because she is (at least for now) the #1 subbed vtuber, the face of the whole thing. She's a has been but is still quite profitable because numbers are everything to random middle-aged marketing/advertising people who may not quite know what a "vtuber" is but do understand that those guys looking for their services can prove that Kizuna Ai is "the biggest one."

I doubt that they hassle the talents about numbers, because pressuring them about it won't help their mental state and their managers can't just drum up an extra 10k live viewers by yelling at them extra-hard. But you can bet your ass that the marketing people and Yagoo himself take them ultra-seriously, life or death.

>>937842
no source. you might be as well kill yourself with your amerimutt globohomo/neoliberal garbage.

also you have no idea about the hololive management based on japanese idol culture. the culture/business cant be run by your mutt shit idea.

She triggers the fandoms of socially awkward girls because she stacies all over them and takes charge of the conversation. Ironically those girls have praised her for doing exactly that and making it easy to converse without awkwardness. But in the eyes of the fans the other person is made to look "bad" because their weak conversation skills get exposed.

Kiara vibes better with other extroverts like Subaru or Marine, or people who can at least fake being social like Pekora, because they actually shoot back with shit.
Gura is also in the category of shy people who can fake being social if they feel confortable enough, which is why SameTori was such a "surprise" success.

>>937605
Obviously Cover cares about numbers. That doesn't mean your bullshit about their business strategy has any basis on reality however. There is literally not a single point of evidence pointing to any sort of "sheltered strategy" when it comes to collabs, and mountains of evidence against it. Such as, the dozens of collabs between ENs, JPs and IDs since the birth of this rrat when Haachama left the EN server out of boredom.

What's wrong with you retards? Why are you making up narratives about a manager that we barely know about? Are you that desperate for a scapegoat?

>>937842
Cover seems to be doing pretty well from what few numbers he gave during an interview last month.
They pulled in around 100m in revenue last year (double digit billion yen is all Yagoo said).
In total it seems they raised around 10m in VC money throughout it's entire existence.

>>937950
Because it's fun. Ogey?

>>937809
>126,000,000 nips
>tiny

>>937842
I think it's pretty impressive how you're able to write walls of text without saying a single thing of importance, while writing the text as if you're saying something profound. Wow, Cover is a business and cares about growth, who knew? It's not as if that applies for every single business in the world. None of your text vomit backs up your retarded rrat about them keeping EN isolated.

>>938000
>billions of English speakers globally

>>938063
>1/3 of those are Indians with no money or interest

>>937919
Ok, show me the Gura collabs faggot. Remember that Haachama asked her to collab, live on stream, and Gura said yes - then mysteriously nothing happened. Also, Coco collabs are still quite absent although that's more visibly because of China, however Coco herself has said she wants to collab with them and keeps getting dead ends in her attempts. EN is handled quite differently, there is no doubt about it.

>>937902
You talk so much shit yet they provably raised venture capital to get off the ground. You seem to truly not understand that this means they are not entirely in control of themselves and have other needs and goals besides just the idol management. Idol agencies don't get tech startup money, they are doing something different from just-that.

>>938332
nta but you don't even have to speculate, the VC money is public info.
https://startup-db.com/ja/companies/4853/cover-corp

I've been popping in and out of this thread all day now and it's hilarious how many straight up timeloops it's gone through. Anon shows up asking for specifics about one of the rrats in the OP, conspiritards swarm in to spin their grandiose narratives with the Haachama thing usually at the center, other anons blow them the fuck out using FACTS and LOGIC, rrats then either vanish, throw out some cringe LARP bullshit like they're in some spy thriller, or have a fucking meltdown while crying "n-no, YOU GUYS are delusional...", then the process repeats itself ad nauseum. At this point I'm just in it for those meltdowns desu shit's funny as fuck watching them short-circuit

>>938487
Yeah because Cover's management is so fucking great and unfallible that there isn't good reason to be suspicious that they're fucking up something bad here and that both sides have alluded to various types of interventions from them. Let's ask Mel and Subaru about what great ability Cover has with its management and how they never fuck things up royally.

As has been said their scouting is literally the only thing they're actually-good at - and even that is not ironclad, otherwise they may not have picked who they did for Aloe, if they could have guessed that there'd be too many yabs waiting to be uncovered.

>>938180
Gura barely collabs with her own gen. Her being anxious about colllabing is way more believable than her being blocked from colllabing. We know for a fact that Gura has a lot of problems with anxiety

Besides, Kiara has also mentioned wanting to organize a full EN + full ID collab in Among Us, possibly with a mod to support 11 players. Seems like a weird thing to do if Gura or EN as a whole was restricted from collabing.

I could go on, but the point is that there's mountains of evidence contrary to the bullshit you're spewing, while your argument rests completely on the thoroughly discredited "Haachama is banned from building a dirt tower on an empty MC server" rrat.

>>938180
Because Gura is an awkward fucking borderline spastic. You would know this if you actually watched streams, Gura is really bad at following up, even with her manager. You would also know that in that same stream, Haachama set up collabs with Ame and Ina that were later followed up on, so right there you're fucking wrong. That's not even to mention Gura recently playing DbD offstream with Anya specifically to test if a DbD stream would be feasible. And you said it yourself, if Coco's being barred, that's due to completely different circumstances. Try harder.

>>938631
You ignored the fact Haachama asked her point-blank and she said yes and Gura had said she wants to and nothing happened. Or that Mori said various JP collabs have been shot down by management, etc. The ENs kind of have big mouths sometimes and that is revealing to us about how management is not always rosy with them.

There being successful JP collabs existing =/= there are no barriers or specific managers fucking with things. Not when we can see some people have hit those barriers.

>>938664
Even fucking Mori collabed with Haachama.

>>938593
lol case in point, nice strawman schizo, literally nobody is saying Cover management is even competent. you're kind of doing your argument here a huge disservice by comparing unsubstantiated rrats to the actual fuckups, all you're actually doing is obfuscating the real problems with Cover management with inane bullshit nobody but a few anons on this board buys into. Good job by the way of providing any evidence other than "they did bad thing, therefore i don't need evidence to say they must have done other bad thing"

>>938692
>Or that Mori said various JP collabs have been shot down by management, etc
you people keep saying this but never provide proof. just because you read some other anon's post that claimed this doesn't make it true.

>>938932
You seem to enjoy practicing cognitive dissonance in the name of sucking some yagoo cock. It is occam's razor that clear mistakes and problems most likely are still ongoing and that we can see evidence of it continuing. If Cover had never been known for big mistakes like various permissions arcs/holocaust etc we wouldn't be so keen to see everything with a jaded eye, but some people do. Know that you are anonymous here and have no reputation or position to defend, and that you gain nothing from defending incompetence, nothing for covering for their mistakes, other than buying them more room to keep making them.

People were real mad/confused when Haachama left the EN server, you could plainly see fucking thousands of bewildered comments, a storm of "this can't be real" "but why" in the chat. It isn't just us who are mad about Cover's invisible hand moving the pawns. People just don't have anywhere else to really express these sentiments besides here, because the reddit is literally an official corporate mouthpiece and people moronically suck corporate cock to use it. I don't blame Cover for not wanting to be criticized, and at least they're not taking their talents as human shields in response (one of the most detestable and ignoble of Japanese practices), but there is no harm in ruminating the extent of what they can and should do, to let known what we at least perceive as fuck ups otherwise how will they ever change.

>>938692
Let me just preface by saying that we've come a long way from you claiming the EN as a whole is under some isolation strategy to talking solely about a singular collab of Gura not happening as of yet.

Them not having a collab yet could be due to any number of things, such as lack of communication between them since the initial messages. Consider:

>Literally no talent has ever indicated that they are being restricted from collabing. No one has even hinted at this being the case.
>Gura is part of Kiara's plans for a a large collab with ID
>Gura can freely mention and sing the songs of her Hololive senpai on stream

With regards to the Mori rrat: Mori worrying about not being able to collab with senpais was instantly shut down by Kiara, saying that everyone would want to collab with her without hesitation. This would not be the case if Kiara knew her genmates were restricted from collabs. And she would definitely know.

>>939484
Other than maybe Coco, Mori is just an autist who can't initiate. Kiara called her out on that as well if I recall.
Doesn't help that the New Year's stream probably crushed her confidence in her Japanese.

>>938631
Haachama had specifically said she was intending on doing more of the streams and if she was just bored she would have simply left things unfinished, it takes more effort to go remove things and make an entire stream of it so we can all plainly see she is out, than just leave them be.

She clearly isn't operating entirely out of her own whims, having been barred from using the EN tag and such along with her leaving the server clearly looks like she crossed some line and management went and did something. We also see nothing more of the Haachama/Coco EN0 gimmick anymore either these days. How would you interpret a forceful separation of JP talents from EN ones? It's isolation.

>>939657
Honestly, just read the rest of the thread so we can avoid an another retarded time loop. This rrat has no basis in anything.

>>939471
Again, where's the evidence? That because of past incompetence (in areas of business far removed from collab coordination mind you) we can ASSUME that there's some shadow collab ban? That Haachama was fucking lying about her reasons for bailing on the EN server? You're invoking Occam's razor here, but it's clear that you don't even understand what that means, because all of the assumptions are coming from YOUR end. You have to assume that Cover management has some vested interest in arbitrarily denying certain collabs, you have to assume that Haachama was obscuring the actual reasons for her departure from the server, you have to assume that Gura not collabing with Haachama was a management directive, you have to assume that Kiara is being given special treatment by having zero limits placed on her collab partners, and then you have to make assumptions as to whatever the reasoning is for why Cover is doing all of this. Shit on Cover for their actual mistakes, making up bullshit like this does far, FAR more harm to that end in the long run. And to your point about Haachama's fans, holy shit dude, no, the vast majority do not think it was a management decision. Look at the comments on her VOD and clips, fucking christ this one's actually so easy to disprove that it's embarrassing that you're trying to uae ot as a talking point.
Fucking christ, if you want the talent to do the collabs you want and stream on the server you want, fucking tell them in the comments, send them superchats, tell them in their member streams, tweet them, there are so many fucking avenues to get your message accross as a consumer, but that requires you to hold them fucking accountable instead of deflecting to this long-disproven scapegoat. Of course, that assumes that you're even an actual consumer here amd, judging by your complete lack of knowledge concerning things the talents have literally said and debunked themselves, I've got a hunch that you aren't.

I have evidence that Cover is holding Gura hostage and forcing her to only stream debuff games solo for the rest of her days.

But first, let me go on multiple tangents that do nothing to support my initial claim. I'll also make questionable assertions about Cover's business strategy. Don't worry though, my logic is foolproof: Cover has done incompetent things in the past, hence they're doing this very specific convoluted incompetent thing that I just pulled out of my ass.

>>926273
>>926364
You don't need to study Minecraft, you just need to watch fucking streams and see what they do. Have you not watched anyone play Minecraft?

>>923844
elon musk said something about putting managers in the middle of communications is incredibly dumb. Managers don't add value in pushing great ideas forward, but instead are more likely to slow down innovation, communications, and production. Any manager who allows this to happen, let alone encourages it, will soon find themselves working at another company.

>>940082
Your damage control is palpable here. Your denying fucking thousands of angry people plainly visible in the chat and the angry fucking reaction here, on discords etc is disingenuous. Dismissing things we fucking SAW and HEARD with our own eyes as mere rrats is disingenuous.

Haachama never gave a clear reason why she left. Your asserting "lol she probably just got bored schizo" has no proof whatsoever. I was all-ears that whole stream, she was just like, "I have to go." Couldn't talk about it. The ENs didn't even fucking know she had left, until later when told live in stream. That is quite revealing that Haachama did not tell them about this and neither did management even for days afterward. I'd guess the ENs and chama don't talk much directly but you'd think she'd have tried to talk with them or collab or something before just packing up shop. So let's rationalize, why would management not even want to bother mentioning this to them? If, they had wanted there to be no window where the ENs could have responded and guilt tripped them into letting her stay, then they logically would have hidden the decision from their input. Not saying that's what happened, just that it would actually be a logical explanation. ENs even built a red heart statue at the site of her suicide tower where she left - that looks, quite like a sign of support, an insistince on keeping some memory of her there even though she had gone through great effort to erase herself from it. Management must have realized that because there was already plenty of chatter about this (it consumed the threads for days), that making the ENs also go tear down that red heart memorial would only confirm that it was some intentional erasure so let it stay. We can tell management constantly attempts to counter rrats around here but if it was just plain fact that they did something, they can't ever really stop it.

>>931451
For EN or JP? I love watching Nene expand the crazy Gen5 house.

>>932160
Haachama likes making big deals, it's like her thing.

>>935158
I don't know how to find other JP impressions of Gura specifically, but on Shion's birthday it's clear she was completely enamored with that birthday message. So that's probably true.

>>923844
You have no idea of the managerial situation at Hololive. 'Enma' is a handy scapegoat for you to take your anger out on.

>>925268
It is genuinely amazing how willing Japanese companies are to shoot themselves in the foot for pride reasons. It's like those insane Sega stories from the 90s and 00s all over again.

>>940703
>things we SAW and HEARD
>proceeds to ramble on for a whole paragraph about more assumptions about why x did y
also, stop pretending you watched that stream, you fucking told on yourself right there. She DID say why she was leaving. She was told not to use the HololiveEN hashtag, literally the only provable instance of managerial meddling, and wanted to leave until she becomes "officially" EN0, the hashtag she created right after that. If you know anything, and I mean ANYTHING about Haachama, the idea that she used this for content to kickstart her ensuing english training arc is far more believable, requires fewer assumptions, and is much more closely backed up by everything she and the ENs have said since the incident. Also holy shit
>ENs even built a red heart statue at the site of her suicide tower where she left - that looks, quite like a sign of support, an insistince on keeping some memory of her there even though she had gone through great effort to erase herself from it. Management must have realized that because there was already plenty of chatter about this (it consumed the threads for days), that making the ENs also go tear down that red heart memorial would only confirm that it was some intentional erasure so let it stay. We can tell management constantly attempts to counter rrats around here but if it was just plain fact that they did something, they can't ever really stop it.

read that back and tell me you don't actually fucking sound schizophrenic. Management NOT having them tear it down is proof of their meddling? Do you have actual brain damage? Because there's a serious problem with your logical faculties. Your post is ACTUAL narrative, you're ascribing thoughts and ideas to these people with, yet again, zero evidence other than your own headcanon. This is some ACTUAL schizo shit anon, good job.

>>940703
>>941290
also oh yeah, forgot to mention, no, a few anons here and some random fucking discords (go back btw) aren't reflective whatsoever of the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of active fans in the community. not that this matters of course, I fully expect you to move the goalposts yet again for what, the third time this reply chain?

>>941290
Nobody believes the "EN0 training arc" thing for a fucking second besides people coping with the loss, and children. Nobody took it seriously here for even a second + Youtube comments are where the literal children gather. She very clearly wanted to be "EN0" from the get-go along with Coco - there was never an intent of a training arc. To put in such a thing as an excuse to in fact retreat from the environment where she would get more training in English than probably anywhere? Hogwash. What else could that be other than just a stall tactic? It conveniently gives some vague indefinite future possibility to the idea existing, while also being able to now say it doesn't exist currently. Why? Because she clearly got slapped down from it hard and timing-wise it looks damn near conclusive, slapped so hard she wasn't even allowed on the EN server anymore. Also, we now know there is yet another pointless / ignorant-looking call from EN management in that they for some reason, don't want us to call EN gen 2 for what it is, gen 2. There is something weird as fuck going on with EN's management, seemingly in the name of big-picture brand perception.

As for you harping on schizo this schizo that, please, your own insecurity is showing so hard. I myself have managed people and have made dirty decisions behind the backs of the peons. I'm no stranger to how the real world works. It is quite, quite fucking plausible that the red heart was a little act of rebellion considering we have clear evidence the ENs were kept in the dark about it and they seemed to want to erase all traces of Haachama - and they simply just let it slide to not make it look too malicious on their part. You don't want to agitate your subordinates if you can help it; you don't ascend the ladder by leaving a trail of dead bodies in your wake. While it is not provable that the memorial ideally wasn't wanted, you're acting like that's a grand victory despite the fact that you cannot disprove it yourself. More like you have a panicked braggodocio trying so hard to paint me as a schizo when merely I'm onto the games people play and am approaching some dangerously sensible rrats.

>>941777
>I myself have managed people and have made dirty decisions behind the backs of the peons. I'm no stranger to how the real world works.
>You don't want to agitate your subordinates if you can help it; you don't ascend the ladder by leaving a trail of dead bodies in your wake.
>I'm onto the games people play and am approaching some dangerously sensible rrats

holy shit there's no fucking way you're for real

>>937576
You're correct. Socialblade shows Gura with 63K pre debut and 350K+ by the next week. Her subs shot up over 100K each day for 3 days. I remember thinking when will it end. She seems like the growth is slowing now but she's already past 2.25Mil.

>>938179
I don't watch much of the IN nijis but I ahven't seen a clip or stream of them speaking an Indian language. Noor hasn't spoken a word of Punjabi or Hindi on stream.

>>941777
Frankly, I don't have enough perspective to comment on most of this, but I really think the reason for trying to avoid the numbered generations is because they're playing down the idol aspect of hololive for western viewers. HoloMyth as it stands is very palatable to a garden variety weeb, but if they drop the whole idol culture on the table out of the gate it will be too much for most of them.

>>942094
Incredulity does not count for rebuttal. Why do you think I have such a strong interest in this subject? It's fun for me to think about in the context of what I know.

>>942470
What's there even to rebut? You said it yourself:
>While it is not provable that the memorial ideally wasn't wanted, you're acting like that's a grand victory despite the fact that you cannot disprove it yourself
you aren't interested in facts, your past three posts contain not a single instance, a tweet, a clip, anything resembling hard evidence, only pure speculative narrative that in your mind is every bit and more plausible than the evidence-based reasoning you're countering. Judging by your pretentious, self-aggrandizing language, you're a typical conspiracy theorist hiding behind a veil of unfalsifiable conjecture in a self-fellating attempt to inflate your ego, any argument woth you past this point would only be circular. I'll provide evidence, you'll tell me to read between the lines, I'll point out your inability to substantiate your claims, then finally you'll follow up with another "well, you can't prove that ISN'T how it is," and then we're right back to where we started.

>>941122
>You have no idea of the managerial situation at Hololive. 'Enma' is a handy scapegoat for you to take your anger out on
This, Enma is the hero Cover deserves, but not the one it needs. So the Rrats will feast on her, because she can take it. Because she's not our hero, shes a silent guardian. A watchful protector.

A EN Manager.

Why are EN fags such pussies? If management was holding any jp back they'd be gone, hell gen 4 is a revolving door of managers
Why do EN let the management isolate your girls?

>>943082
My recollections of things I fucking heard directly in streams are not immediately citable but I am quite sure I heard what I heard, and anyone reading this who happens to remember the exact stream and timestamp out of a dozen+ hours surrounding the timing of her leaving, please, feel free to pinpoint it because I am not gonna spend hours hunting that down when this thread's about to die. I am completely adamant proof exists, that they didn't know Haachama had left until afterward, which is actually quite a revelation. They unironically were kept in the dark about it, and here going about their business preparing to incorporate her into the server when she left. So, weeks later a big red heart popped up at the spot she left the server on off-stream. What does it mean. That's not a fucking rrat, that's a fucking big red heart. They must have something they want to say about it but can't so did it with an action instead of words.

Anywa, the fallouts from it is from multiple streams immediately following her departure. I'm pretty sure Gura's following stream, it came up. She had also done things off stream like collect a bunch of stone/dirt stacks for Haachama, and left them in a chest assuming she was gonna use them for her floating castle thing. She didn't even realize she was already gone by then and it was pointed out. I'm pretty certain Ame and/or Ina also commented on it too not long after.

Otherwise what is there to cite? That Haachama said she can't use the EN0 tag? It's there in her departure stream.

As for your trying to paint me as some conspiracy tard in response to being argued into a corner, please. For one you've got me dead wrong on that assessment, two your logic is simply not convincing and as you ran out, your arguments are basically "well nobody else thinks about this" aka argumentum ad populum, and fancy name calling. You've got nothing. I know it, and you're desperate to hide it. That only makes me want to dig in harder FYI because I fucking hate delusional people who think of themselves as righteous for no good reason. Just why is it so desperately fucking important for you, to deny something that we had generally treated as fact for months, that Haachama was booted from the server after piecing together all the aftermath and commentary? Do you want your saccharine delusion to hold that badly, is it world breaking for you if maybe Cover did something shitty here? Do you have any real reason to trust Cover's management so blindly?

kinda cringe