/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/ (RIP)
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

>>9391369
a great Beast approaches.. and it was Queen Gura herself who provoked it.
HER

WHO WOULD WIN THIS FIGHT?

>Queens, Kings, Emperors, Princes and Princesses Shrine maids in their battle garb doing their signatuer streams
>Three old timer vtubers with some random sheep they took as some sort of slave girl, singing some merry old tunes spring chikins may not know anymore

THE ANSWER WILL CONFUSE, AGRIEVE, ANGER AND CHEER YOU UP
>NOW KNEEL!

>>9391369
Looks like all of the relevant holos made the list

>>9391863
>Sora, Suisei, Watame, AZKi
>Pekora
>Subaru, Botan, Luna, Botan
>Gura
>Miko
>Korone
>OwlGirl
>Haachama
Yeah, seems about right. ClockGirl is a notable absence but other than that

Kuzuha really doesn't care about numbers eh
>doesn't celebrate his 1m
>plays a dead game that doesn't get him any viewers
His peak was a bit higher than that pic indicates, but R6S is clearly being poison to his numbers.

>>9391967
>His peak was a bit higher than that pic indicates
Maybe after midnight JST?

>>9391949
Marine and maybe Rushia I think are the only others absent.

>>9392063
They are both doing members only streams today

>Hal never missing the list
KNEEL?

>>9391949
AREN’T YOU FORGETTING SOMEONE, ANONCHAMA?!

>>9391381
what does CCV stand for?

>>9393137
Credit Card Verification

>>9393137
>>9393214
Pffft, as if we'd have all these tools and not get shut down if that was the case.
It's ConCurrent Viewership.

>>9393241
The state of the numbers threads
lmao

The shark is resting tonight

>>9393324
It's slow, no streams except a pair of debuff games going on (Polka Idol manager, Kiara Skyward Sword)
It'll pick back up once Sana + Fauna start their MC stream though.

>>9393349
she was complaining a lot about back pains, might end up taking a few days off to recover

>>9393959
Just down a couple of Vicodins, Gura! It's a wonder drug and my doctor said it is NON ADDICTIVE!
>downs two vicodin

>>9393959
Given her past schedules, I don't expect Gura to be streaming until Thursday at the soonest, just because she usually takes 2 days off before posting her next schedule.
Ina's playing Bastion in 30min.
I predict 8-10k since this is the first stream of it, but I don't see it keeping those numbers in subsequent streams.

>>9393349
All that is kind of shit, I hope Sauna plays for like 6 hours so I can just watch that.

>>9395097
No schedule for Gura until late wednesday or Thursday. The NA east primetime is open and the EN2 girls are already taking it

>when you are a vsinger with more views for your streams than for your songs

>>9395527
Of course its not getting views, its a lyric video to a song I've already heard 500 times.

>>9391967
>Kuzuha doesn't celebrate his 1m
I would also be embarrassed making a big deal out of it knowing that there's like more than 20 others who've already reached that milestone.

>>9392555
Another honorary Holo. Man, Holos really dominated the charts today.

>>9395527
>an MV for a song that released more than a month ago
>from a chuuba that is very much still a rookie in a fairly well established group
>in a language that is somehow targeted towards an audience that likely doesn't speak it
Unless this ended up becoming the OP/ED to an anime, there was nothing to say that this was going make numbers. It's not like this is Gura who can make anything gain millions of views in short order.

>>9395699
>>9396129
Are you gonna post all that COPE for her other songs too? None of them have good views.

>>9396129
Yeah, the song is good but its been out for months. To get a huge amount of views for an old song it needs to have a killer music video kind of like the old songs that Mori uploaded (Bully, Live Streamer). This song just didn't have a killer music video like those songs.

When IRyS actually uploads a new original song with a music video it will do just fine.

>>9396192
>None of them have good views.
Seems like a good balance in her top 15
>7 songs or karaoke
>7 other
>1 debut
>

>>9395527
Man how much IRyS bait you gonna post today? Heres a (you)

>>9396297
Those views are a fart in the wind compared to Mori's or even Kiara's songs.

>>9396192
Not my problem that you have mental issues.

>>9396425
No way EN AZKi is not getting massive numbers, who would have seen that coming?

>>9396425
Woah! You mean to tell me that people that have had a year to build up a viewerbase get more views than someone who's been around less than two months? My head is spinnin' here!

>>9396475
Yes, both of them are failures. Cover should drop the Vsinger shit altogether.

>>9396492
Well, Mori did well from the start, right? Kiara got pretty good views way before the half year mark.

>>9396475
>>9396425
Speaking of AZKi, here are her numbers.

EN AZKi seems to be doing at very least as well as JP EN AZKi

>>9396626
>that Gundam Sora carry
wew lads

>>9396587
Was Moris music on her channel? Cover is pretty slow to get IRyS music on her channel, getting one MV and a shitty lyric video one month after the fact. In order to find her music otherwise you'd have to hunt for it, almost no promotion. Cover is mismanaging her pretty badly.

>>9396512
kek, why would they? They have a sizable fanbase, a very good musical output are the first in what I believe to be a series of similar "products" coming out of Hololive for the years to come.

I agree partially with you tho, I can easily see Cover creating a proper label to produce their songs and remove the "Vsinger" moniker from EN AZKi and JP EN AZKi just like "Hololive Gamers" ceased to be a separation between "chuubas that are expected to game" and "chuubas that are expected to sing and dance"

>>9396626
Man that's just sad. Imagine being such a midget that you get mogged by Kiara.

>>9396718
Funny thing about this comparison is that Kiara, in some measure or another (be it VOD, music, CCV, Superchat) is easily a top 30 streamer in the whole industry.

You have to be a massive anomaly (Mori) to expect to join Holo and people blasting your music, It takes time and you need to gather a fanbase.
Only now is Suisei performing really well, Her covers generally hit 1 million in a couple of weeks and GHOST hit 7 million in 4 months which for an original is pretty insane, And she's been grinding for 3 years.

It's a marathon not a race with IRyS.

>>9396958
No you don't understand, you have to be doing better than the people who have been doing it forever right out of the gate or you're a failure. If you baitniggers want to doompost go look at Watame.

>>9396958
We need more V-Musicians like Mori
I'm tired of Vsingers and Utaites covering the same shit or singing generic originals

>>9396958
If IRyS keeps streaming she's gonna make it.
AZKi has been ostracized from regular Hololive for so long the damage is sadly permanent.

>>9396958
That anon is merely pretending, here is the bottom half of the list sorted by total VOD
>pic related
Irys is on pace to catch up with AZKi before the end of the year.

>>9397017
>ostracized
Not Ostracized. She was part of a different project which, like "Sakura Miko Project", didn't pan out on its own

>>9397058
Since he brought up Kiara, maybe she should be worried. IRyS just started and lost her debut buff after two weeks yet still beats Kiara in everything but SC. She may even overtake her there before long.

This is what a successful vsinger looks like. Cover has experienced nothing but failure with the concept yet.

>>9396297
>>9396626
> Inochi (original): 600k views in 2 years
> Inochi (cover): 500k views in 2 months
And somehow AZKi is still profitable enough to avoid being axed.

>>9397101
Alright, alright, she wasn't ostracized, she was segregated. You happy now?

>>9397245
its not a vsinger

>>9397308
How is AZKi being profitable a variable in the equation?
She is Sora's bitch, she's never getting axed. This is Holonepotism after all.

>>9395527
Gura gets better views for her songs, covers, & karaokes and she's not even a vsinger

>>9397372
You sound too salty with a hint of, maybe, jealousy. You should get that checked

Mori is playing Earthbound this week, I know that's supposed to be a cult classic in the west but would that actually convert to numbers (even if only just for the novelty of the first stream)?

>>9397747
Japanese people like it more than Western people. Expect to see some low numbers.

>>9397801
She is playing it in JP primetime, for whatever that's worth.

>>9397559
>jealousy
You damn bet I am, who wouldn't want to be Sora's bitch?

>She raised a gamer, but not a good one.
What does that say about your genmates Inner? kek

>>9397308
Azki had a signed contract with a certain amount of years. She was supposed to announce her graduation during her bday this year.
They decided to just transfer her to Hololive once her contract runs out.
>>9397801
Earthbound is a cult classic in the west. Still not gonna overcome that JRPG debuff though.

>>9393959
Yeah I`ve had the exact back-pains that she`s had and let me tell you, it`s a bitch. It won`t go away for a long time, and not even surgery can really cure it - every day it keeps coming back, again and again, like this shit is here to stay. It is something chronic and kinda bad vibes, so I`ll spoiler if you really wanna know the source of it: it comes from of all her CARRYING. OOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Cover will soon give up on releasing MVs that are not low effort memeshit like Marine's soon enough. Watame's and Mio's latest MVs have some dire numbers despite having decent production values.

>>9398410
>Cover
They don't do shit. It's the talents who organize and commission everything. Except for IRyS' shit.

>>9398410
I'm honestly surprised that Mori hasn't splashed on a high-end MV considering the amount of original music she has, though I guess it proves that people are watching for the music more than the MV.

>>9397415
You're not even trying with this bait

>>9398515
>Dawn Blue (Hololive Alternative)
She wrote the lyrics in English and then Cover paid someone to translate to japanese. Most holomem are just paying someone to do ALL the creative work and then saying that is HER song.

>>9399229
NTA From what Mori said Cover asked her to write OG JP lyrics (potentially to cut their losses), but she failed to do so and they paid JP person to transfer her lyrics/idias into JP lyrics

>>9399229
They credited the writers. And what's wrong with claiming stuffs that you commissioned? Are you retarded?

>>9399229
>Most holomem are just paying someone to do ALL the creative work and then saying that is HER song.
Not all of them are in it to aim for a music industry career, and you can see how invested the ones that are get into the songs that they produce. Some of them probably came into this blind and ended up overwhelmed by just how much you need to do get something of acceptable quality out there.

>>9399229
>Most holomem are just paying someone to do ALL the creative work
singing is no longer creative work?

>>9399571
>Not all of them are in it to aim for a music industry career, and you can see how invested the ones that are get into the songs that they produce.
did Watame write any lyrics to her songs?
did Ado?

>>9398480
>the talents who organize and commission everything
Most things, not everything. They do have a quota for talents, although this takes forever so it's understandable that most of the time, Holo members took it upon their own wallets to create their own songs (or in some cases, concerts, MVs, costumes and such). I remember Suisei said that they can offer Cover to buy the finished products, though. Wonder if it's still the case?

>>9398402
topkek, thanks for the laughs bro

>>9399472
>>what's wrong with claiming stuffs that you commissioned?
There's no problem, that's how most pop songs are made. It's just upsetting seeing people not recognizing Dawn Blue as one of Mori's songs.

>>9398410
>low effort memeshit
>Marine's
>not Polka's or Mio's
ogey

>>9397117
Kiara and IRyS don't really have any overlap. IRyS, Bae, Sana, and occasionally Mori + the ID2 girls all compete for the same audience.

>>9399923
Basically it means they sell their song to Cover. I recall Polka saying once she was trying to get Cover to buy her debut song.

>>9399463
>Bonjour Suzuki had the (dis)pleasure of translating Mori's niggerspeech into japanese
Poor woman...

>>9397245
IRyS likely makes more money in a couple normal streams with superchats than that person got for all those views.

>>9398515
You think this shit was cheap?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5VxUvL_uBo
Just the 3 illustrations by Mamaloni to have them also live2D animated, would have been at least 5k$, outside of all the editing and layering.

>>9397308
How much does it cost to keep a VTuber / VSinger anyway? Unless Cover is funding songs, MVs and ads every week or two (which clearly isn't the case here), I'd expect it to be cheap AF

>>9397245
Most artists don’t allow monetization of covers so they probably didn’t make much if any.

>>9400159
Lol look at Nijisanji...it obviously doesn't cost much overhead to maintain talent when only a couple pull in a large number of viewers.

>>9399602
If you are just following someone instructions on how to sing that song then no, it is not a creative work

>>9400272
How do you know it doesn't cost that much? For all we know, maintaining their talents could be the big expense that is destroying their profits, if we go by what their last financial statement showed.

>>9400159
Depends on the contract. But the general equation is, more company supports = less profit cuts.

>>9400135
The only thing worth the thousands of dollars is the actual illustration process. Animating those 3 2D images is fairly trivial comparatively. You can even edit images directly in the video editing process if you have cross-compatible software/files.

>>9400281
>just following someone instructions on how to sing
*sigh*
voice is and instrument and every musician has an input during creation of a song. if this is too hard for you to understand i have no interest in this conversation

>>9400447
Unless they're hired on an hourly wage basis, the expense of having them should be minimal (and their chuubas already don't get paid salaries afaik). The real expense is most likely the middle management and auxiliary staff since those need to be made available on a permanent basis.

>>9400684
Wasn’t IN shut down because they weren’t making enough money to break even with management costs?
KR still makes money with voice packs but IN never got the option to sell those.

>>9400135
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/n7ev4v/made_some_lyric_video_for_the_grimreaper_is_a/

>>9400447
>How do you know it doesn't cost that much?
niji's economic model with numerous amount of gens is circumstantial evidence.
they put extra money to launch gens and branches, but they Must be sustainable by themselfs (otherwise you will get niji IN)

Nijisanji also axed their TW chuubas.

https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000019.000030865.html

>>9401214
uh? they were under Niji name?

>>9401214
>Nijisanji also axed their TW chuubas.
i wonder why

>>9400876
The strategic difference is a matter of branding too.
For Nijisanji having two full branches slow the below the “Gwelu line” is not a problem.
All of Niji ID and all of Niji KR (minus Bora Nun) are in that position but it cost Nijisanji ZERO to keep them there. They don’t get a salary, they won’t get any upgrades models unless they grow themselves beyond some threshold and their existence benefits Nijisanji for using their brand in everything they do.
It’s like rappers singing about wearing Adidas hoping for a sponsorship: the successful ones will get it, the rest will help the brand anyway.

Hololive went the opposite direction with regards to branding. Here is Holostars median for the month of August

>1579 median :: 123090 hrs watched :: 86.5 hrs streamed :: astel (stars2)
>749 median :: 54870 hrs watched :: 67.16 hrs streamed :: roberu (stars2)
>678 median :: 25609 hrs watched :: 27.36 hrs streamed :: shien (stars3)
>509 median :: 22384 hrs watched :: 37.81 hrs streamed :: miyabi (stars1)
>459 median :: 22164 hrs watched :: 27.95 hrs streamed :: oga (stars3)
>405 median :: 58044 hrs watched :: 110.35 hrs streamed :: aruran (stars1)
>402 median :: 25468 hrs watched :: 36.54 hrs streamed :: izuru (stars1)
>284 median :: 29309 hrs watched :: 74.2 hrs streamed :: temma (stars2)
>283 median :: 24905 hrs watched :: 67.31 hrs streamed :: rikka (stars1)

This is universally panned as “low performing” and “a failure” despite greatly outpacing NijiID and NijiKR because Hololive Productions positioned themselves in the market as “idol makers”, “big hit makers” where Ollie, a streamer with these stats in August
>2059 median :: 211707 hrs watched :: 44.73 hrs streamed :: ollie (id2)
is considered a bottom rank streamer.

The bottom line is: Nijisanji benefits from having as many streamers as they can have as they lose nothing on the lowest performing. Hololive doesn’t have this luxury because their position in the market is of a “hit maker”.

hololive is going to own the twitch clip place soon

>>9401491
Bon is above a lot of the sharts in median views.

>>9401569
>Bon is above a lot of the sharts
You’ll have to post some numbers to back that up, is the median above the 1.5k from Astel?

>>9397017
Azki just needs to play more games and collab with other holos.

>>9401544
The fact that these clips add to the VOD views of the original stream pleases my numberfag heart. That one GTAV clip gave Ame like 80,000 extra views last I checked.

>>9401342
By affiliation, yes. Like VOIZ.

>>9401491
I don't think the existence of Holostars hurts the Hololive brand in any way, because they are so tenuously associated with it. They're just kind of there doing their own thing. Same with the other branches of Nijisanji, they don't really effect each other meaningfully.

>>9401665
I doubt it's going to solve anything.
Mel did just that and still hasn't recover from her hiatus.

>>9401665
>Azki just needs to play more games
She most definitely doesn’t. I agree on collabs tho. but what she needs is to sing more, like Suisei, Watame and Sora

>>9401794
Mel streams extremely erratically, she hasn't built a consistent audience or got lucky where she can just coast like Ayame.

>>9401683
That's the beauty of youtube clips is that it adds views to the vod unlike twitch.

>>9401794
>>9401905
More clips of Azki can be produced if she plays games or has some tete with the other girls.

>>9401937
>unlike twitch
I'm surprised to hear Twitch doesn't work that way

>>9401794
>and still hasn't recover from her hiatus.
She did, here’s her median for August and the one of her “neighbors”
>5025 median :: 519802 hrs watched :: 82.6 hrs streamed :: kiara (en1)
>4799 median :: 430847 hrs watched :: 63.65 hrs streamed :: towa (jp4)
>4035 median :: 441164 hrs watched :: 90.31 hrs streamed :: fubuki (jp1)
>3492 median :: 123326 hrs watched :: 24.45 hrs streamed :: mel (jp1)
>3357 median :: 210095 hrs watched :: 60.01 hrs streamed :: himemoriluna (jp4)
>2557 median :: 105704 hrs watched :: 38.41 hrs streamed :: sora (jp0)
>2346 median :: 172453 hrs watched :: 51.31 hrs streamed :: matsuri (jp1)

>>9401491
NTA, But Holostars is a bad example since Cover play by different sets of rules with them at this point:
>lower expectations
>Much lower support
even 3d they are getting right now are Cover's Old promis

>>9401977
twitcth is not a VOD based platform
so there is no need

>>9401977
Twitch clips are separate videos while Youtube clips are glorified timestamps.

>>9401937
It's just a shame you can't do it anonymously, I don't really want to plaster my youtube account over clips I want to share. And yes, I know I should just make a burner account, but that's a pain.

>>9401544
Damn, I parrot the feelings of being happy this is giving the girls views, but it physically hurts me to read comments about vtubers from people who know nothing about them. LSF is one of the worst places for it too.
Shit feels like reading retarded comments about anime 10-15 years ago when it was popular to mock it as weebshit.

3.2k and 4.3k for sana and fauna prestreams
im betting a 8k and 10k respectively.

>>9402125
Most of the upboated comments seem to be shitting on people who are kneejerk reacting with 'vtubers bad', so that's something.

>>9402145
I think you're undershooting it, especially since there isn't much competition.

>>9402145
Depends how long Ina keeps going too.

Is this the first split council collab?

>>9402040
I’m using Holostars as a positive example of how high the expectations are for Hololive that a branch that outpace two full branches of their competition (and with a streamer outpacing half of NijiEN) is still considered “underperforming”

>>9402125
The whole subreddit worships manchildren getting into drama, the fact that anime somehow crosses the line for some is just funny to me.

>>9401646
He's around Oga level I think. Astel gets 1k at best for his regular APEX games. That median is boosted by the scrims/tourneys. Hana's viewership is comparable to Roberu's and she has more subs than him.

>>9402180
yes.
Mumei and Gura had lowkey collab with split pov yesterday.

>>9402232
They're usually compared to the main Hololive branch not overseas Nijisanji branches, because that would be a weird and almost meaningless comparison. It's hard to call something competition when there's literally 0 audience overlap between Holostars and something like Nijisanji Korea.

>>9402251
Astel gets his most views from his singing streams. 2-3k viewers.

>>9402172
The top upvoted comments are usually supportive, but there's a lot of ignorant shitheads in those threads in general.
The truth is, it feels like pitching a product to an audience that isn't fit for it. Like >>9402238 said, people who visit LSF don't seem to be the type to enjoy Holo content. Vshojo is unironically closer to what they like.
Then again, who knows? Exposure is always good. I'm just going to avoid those threads like the plague.

>>9402172
i feel like sanas fanbase is too split around others that is why

>>9402232
>I’m using Holostars as a positive example
i didn't try to shill them.
this >>9401762

>>9402251
>That median is boosted by the scrims/tourneys.
That’s not how median works. Half his streams must be above that number.

>>9401981
What were her pre-hiatus numbers though?
>>9401935
>hasn't built a consistent audience
What about her roommate's audience? I'm pretty sure she managed to port them to her hololive account.
>>9401964
Tete with her friend Sora won't bring her many viewers sadly...

>>9401544
>3k updoods
That is quite a few extra views

>>9402680
https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgxgHsvLuTk1YBUOKWR4AaABCQ

40k extra views in 7 hours.

>>9402385
>They're usually compared to the main Hololive branch
Let me restate my point so people stop going on tangents:
>Nijisanji can afford to pump wave after wave because that works well for their brand positioning
>Hololive can’t because the guy expectations for their brand is sky high

My whole point is they it’s not just the administrative cost that would prevent Hololive from pumping more gens

>>9402664
>What were her pre-hiatus numbers though
I’ll fetch it when I’m at the correct terminal

>>9402145
Sana likely won't even reach 8k at this rate, her stream looks AWFUL. Her upload rate is only 2 mb/s so it's grainy and pixelated as fuck, whereas Fauna has essentially the same POV but much better picture quality.

>>9402495
Well, he streamed nothing but karaokes, scrims, tourney games and collabs in August, so I can see how he got that above average median. Pic related is how much he gets for a solo APEX stream, which is less than what Roberu gets playing some games, so I'd he's still less popular than him as his sub count indicates.

>>9402812
add here fact that they support their average talents much more.
they cannot afford failure in long term perspective.

as example they are going to bring holoID gen 1 (2 dead bodies + Moona) in JP for live 3D

>>9402790
>>9402680
>Even more exposure once you factor streamers who use lsf as content and then post their reaction on their own youtube
Numbercum

these are some grim numbers for Minecraft

>>9402812
They could, they just choose not to. Hololive tries to maintain the feel that all the talents are part of a big family. Spamming out a bunch of waves would make that untenable. Holostars is disconnected from this, they could add another 3 waves and it would not have any effect on Hololive itself. There's just no point to doing it, and it would probably effect the internal dynamics of Holostars so they've decided not to do anymore gens.

>>9405133
I'm surprised by these numbers, barely 15k with 2 PoVs combined. For comparison IRyS had 26k peak in her first MC stream. Fauna and IRyS don't seem that far apart in future CCV so I'm wondering what gives.

>>9405141
If I recall, the official reason stated by Yagoo is that they release a new gen when there's demand after giving the latest gen time to develop and grow.
Seeing how Hololive branded itself, spamming waves like Nijisanji did/does would "cheapen" the brand.

>>9405293
Here's a little something you need to consider, and its this
>Today is the first day back to school in NA
What this means for many is that people that would normally be free, are not. Especially with something like Minecraft, that's going to attract a lot of kids. I suspect numbers are going to be somewhat grim for the next bit as people adjust their schedules.

>>9405478
They should incline a bit more as kids get home then.

Irys had an accidental collab with yuusha Polka on her first minecraft, logging into jp server instead of en, so also made a tour.
Fauna already had her first minecraft stream
And Sana.. is Sana.
You`ll get big numbers from minecraft if you`re doing something interesting, or your fanbase specially likes it (aqua, watame).
Remember how that Gura-Kiara mc collab, building some pixel art on the sky, struggled to reach 13k, for gura, and something like 5k for kiara, iirc.

>>9405293
>For comparison IRyS had 26k peak in her first MC
falsflagger, iRys visited JP server during first half of stream

>>9405742
I was under the impression that 'first MC stream' is always a major buff though.
>>9405799
She still had 20k+ sustained viewers after she left though.

>>9397245
So this girl is having her 3D debut today
Any guesses?
Numbers aside those legs for DAYS

>>9405742
the "forbidden" collab angle certainly added a lot of viewer intrigue
Gura and Mumei did better together on a single timeslot than if Gura and Mumei had solo MC streams on two different timeslots

>>9397360
Do you think fake Nijifans understand this?
>>9405834
Decent numbers.

>>9405827
>She still had 20k+
it was lowkey collab with Ame and Mori right after she left JP server this kept her momentum

>>9405834
>girl

>>9405834
>today
go back

>>9405975
fuck off back to discord, haaton

>>9405827
>She still had 20k+ sustained viewers after she left though.
this>>9405922
+Baelz's 1st MC stream for much more fair comparison
>17,650 Maximum Viewers
>14,696 Average Viewers
ps lowker collab with Mumei and Kronii btw
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/Qud3gcINOiU

>>9405834
65k viewers, more if she brings any good guests, which is quite possible since she'll probably just sing.

>>9405975
Your dad grounded the troon out of you and a black dude shot you down.

>>9402664
> What were her pre-hiatus numbers though?
I don't have numbers off the top of my head but maybe marginally better then they are now when compared to other Hololivers. She wasn't bottom of the rung like Miko and Suisei were in early 2019 but she wasn't near the top either. Her numbers kinda remained stagnant over the course of 2019 so that she was gradually making her way to the lower tier just prior to the hiatus.

> consistent / roommate audience
This is one thing Mel does have, there is quite a bit of overlap but...its still one of the smallest dedicated cores compared to others in Hololive. In spite of that, Mel does relatively slightly better with regards to core size than her absolute mammoth failure with drawing any of the casual masses.

Ina's guaranteed 10k really dissipated over the last month.

>>9406762
Her 10k Guaranteed really only applies to two things
-Minecraft
-Drawing streams
Anything else, and she's subject to the whims of buff/debuffs like everyone else.

Today's superchats

>>9406045
Did Kiara lose an anti to Kroni?
Damn EN2 is really hitting her hard.

>>9406762
>Ender Lilies
>THE WONDERFUL 101
and now
>Bastion

>>9406862
>Sana moged Kiara
this is over KFPbros

>>9406886
is haaton DCmod, loser with ruined marriage?

>>9406862
what is it three days streak for red kuuzha?

>>9407150
Yeah, the guy who blames his failed marriage on Kiara.

>>9407228
>three days streak for red kuuzha
2 days of it BD endurance stream (22h)
+rage game

Well Kronii is live, how much did Sana and Fauna lose?

Hot damn the schedule for today, almost all EN 2 are gonna overlap from the looks of it.

>>9407933
they ended streams

>>9406862
Lauren beat Getting Over It after 23 hours
Sora anniversary
Haachama did one of her usual schizo streams? Not sure what happened there
Natsume birthday
Patra celebrated 490k with her first utawaku in a while
Tomeru hit 60k during her insane Apex endurance stream
Aoi did a workout stream to celebrate 320k
Rest are all high earning or recently monetized Holos so not much to explain there, only real thing to note is with that Miko overtook Matsuri on all-time SCs, she's been doing really well on that front lately

>>9408634
Kiara got 3.5k playing that shit game!? What a miracle.

Update to last one.

Is debut buff finally over now?

>>9409492
>stuck at 13k with no overlap at burger primetime
hmmm

>>9409577
This game seems pretty boring.

>>9409492
Probably and this is just the cream rising to the top. Its clear that Kronii is the star of the gen with Mumei not far behind. Fauna has a decent following with more specialized GFE content and Sana seems to be the runt of the gen.

The only one I have a hard time nailing down is Bae. She has done very well going head to head with JPs heavy hitters but has also performed below average while streaming in US prime time. I think she will probably fall around where Fauna is.

>>9409593
All of Gen2 has been dropping in numbers. I’m wondering if this is the bottom.

>>9409636
>Its clear that Kronii is the star of the gen with Mumei not far behind.
Actually Mumei may pull ahead.

>>9409756
Mumei will stream in 20 mins with passportout. We'll see then

>>9409861
Even if she doesn’t yet, I’m predicting she will beat Kronii in time. No pun intended.

>>9408618
Haato's stream was actually her talking about her vtuber friend and her time in Australia.

are Holostars inclining? did their 3D streams help?

Kronii's stream hit 14k for a bit.

>>9409707
IS more about the content.
i do thin this is bottom tough we have seen some really powerful debuffs from content, to bad game chocies. and the least we have seen is 3k or 1.5k for SC reading.

>>9410541
>IS more about the content
They’ve been dropping despite any competition and content. But if this is the bottom, that’s good.

>>9410751
>They’ve been dropping despite any competition and content
i mean that is kinda wrong you can see comparing fall flat collaboration to MC one. Or MK and kill it with fire compared to bayoneta 2.
Content makes a differnce and EN2 choices of content have been mostly debuffs.
Kroni right now is playing a text adventure for exmaple.

>>9402664
>>9406510
Decided to look up that data rather than vaguely guess at it, this is how Hololive Average Viewers fluctuated over 2019 prior to the start of Mel's manager troubles.

>>9410993
>kinda wrong
There is no “kind of” wrong. Either the numbers have dropped since the debut from the debut-buff going away, or it has not. Well it has dropped, a lot. This will not suddenly be fixed because someone isn’t playing at the same time as Kronii or whatnot. Regardless of the game, you can watch the numbers decline for each of them.

>>9411091
Good shit anon. Seems Mel did incline, nice

Do you guys know how much of a VoD has to be watched for it to count as 1 view

>>9411354
30secs

After mumei started not a lot left kroni 1-2k
From what i have seen before sana,fana and mumei seems to overlap on their fanbases.
Kronii seems like an outliner and not sure about bae, it looks like bae is gainig quite a few jops which help her during JP timeslots.

>>9411352
To be fair, everyone has inclined since then and by much larger percentages in general, with the exception of Sora who unfortunately draws nearly the same audience sizes nowadays as she did two years ago.

>>9411325
compare this stream to hollow knight or frostpunk then

>>9411752
I think you’re confused. When I say numbers are declining from a debut buff wearing off, that doesn’t mean no streams will fluctuate at all, but rather it means there is a general downward trend. Looking for an instance of something different is completely meaningless to my point.

Honestly there is no debate. The debut buff was real, and no it is gone or will be soon.

>>9406862
Lauren got like $70k in the span of 2 days. Seems like he's on the same the path as Kuzuha at this rate.

HoloEN numbers (update)

Mumei only at 8k

>>9412082
I'm watching her right now and she is at 10.5k.

>>9412082
Mumei's at 10.5k

>>9395527
I honestly forget most of the time that Irys is supposed to be a special "vsinger" since I never watch her song stuff

>>9411091
hey, hololive was doing the equivalent of nijiEN even in 2019, it's actually pretty good. I thought they're still 2view tier at that period

>>9412252
IRyS is most likely going the Suisei route.
Stream to get audiences then release music for said audiences.

>>9412234
>>9412244
I update the pics from time to time. I never said her number won’t move. In fact I predicted she will beat Kronii here: >>9409756 and >>9409962

Yep, Mumei is ahead. To be fair Mumei's stream is many times more entertaining.

This owl is strong.

How long do you guys think clock going to have number one subs my bet by the end of October the owl is going overtake her.

>>9413081
owls voice is really powerful
we also need to wait for their songs.

>>9410993
Text adventure games are no bueno. Gura bled viewers and now Kronii is bleeding viewers.

For VTubing: Small, youthful, and cute (Mumei), tends to win over bigger, mature, and sexy (Kronii). That’s part of the rationale I used to predict that Mumei is likely to beat Kronii as #1 for Gen2 in numbers.

I guess time will tell.

>>9412018
>I think you’re confused.
i sure am, because you keep speaking about numbers of today's stream as some sort of significant drop. only thing i see is consistency
>【Frostpunk】Did I Stutter | #2 10,344 / 11,799
>【Hollow Knight】Nightmare Begins | #2 7,601 / 9,265
>【Stories Untold】It's Storytime | #1 11,900 / 14,018
decline has decreased long time ago

>The debut buff was real, and it is gone or will be soon.
this point is true, but Too obvious. to the point that i as regular numberfag was confused.

https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/ouro

>>9391369
>Miko and Subaru are popular now
What happened

>>9412041
this>>9407437

>>9411618
Part of the issue is that for the longest time Sora’s fanbase was split between YouTube and NND. The reason why her membership is cheaper is to appease the NND members.

>>9412252
>Irys is supposed to be a special "vsinger"
this>>9412397
which route is better Azki or Sui?
hmm..

ps her Karaokes gets stable12k

>>9413699
Cover really needs to ditch NND ASAP and move to youtube. They still do their monthly talk show thing on NND and a good portion of the fanbase doesn't even know it exists because its stuck on that nip only platform

>>9413111
>we also need to wait for their songs.
im sure This will(or will Not) be the game changer for Owl

>>9413883
Unfortunately nips still use NND quite a bit so they really can’t. A full pull out will also anger Japanese fans.
This is actually similar to why Korone is hated among NND, she’s seen as “betraying” them similar to Nyanners who “betrayed” 4chan.
>>9413851
Suisei route for sure. People barely remember azki exist because she doesn’t stream.

>>9413285
>Text adventure games are no bueno.
get used to it. Clock love thise type of game (2nd Ina)

>>9413618
>Did I Stutter
Look at numbers before this too. You must look at all numbers to determine if debut buffs are real, and if they are wearing off. I can’t help but feel you are trolling me.

>>9413621
>now
Subaru and Miko been carrying their own gen for almost one year

>>9413534
>Mumei is likely to beat Kronii as #1 for Gen2 in numbers.
if she will go MC route with Gura as her rival, there will be now way for Anyone to beat her.

>>9414146
Subaru is still smaller than Aqua.
Her going full idol route has been immensely helping her as a sponsor magnet similar to Aqua.
Miko isn’t part of a gen (she was actually a knock off Kizuna Ai). “Gen 0” is just a term invented by fans to fit those who don’t aren’t in a gen, Cover only recently made it an official thing.

>>9414079
>You must look at all numbers to determine if debut buffs are real,
it was. there was no point to discuss it.
my point that this is
>today's stream is NOT some sort of significant drop.

>【Frostpunk】Did I Stutter | #2 10,344 / 11,799
> 6 days ago

>>9413111
>>9413980
I wonder if the Mori buff applies to writing lyrics as well

bloodbath in HoloEN; Kronii, Mumei, Ame, Irys and Ollie streaming right now.

>>9405834
Trying to aim high around 70k. May Meifu buff will grant good number

>>9414646
There's going to be another pileup at this time tomorrow; Fauna, Ame, Sana and Mori all streaming in the same block.

>>9413285
>Text adventure games are no bueno.
get used to it. Clock loves this type of game (2nd Ina)

>>9414548
>it was
It wasn’t.
>my point that this is: today's stream is NOT some sort of significant drop.
I should also point out that you have to use all of Gen2 to gauge whether the debut buff is wearing off, as just showing me the numbers of your oshi in order to defend her is a waste of my time.

>>9414146
Sui is technically part of her gen too

What a weird day

Ame 5k
IRyS 2.4k
Kronii 9.7k
Mumei 10.6k

Combined 27.7k

>>9414157
like said before, Kronii is debuffing herself with her streaming habits. She won't stream Minecraft, she's locking karaokes at members initially, and continuing games
she still have some possible tricks up her sleeve though to keep the incline, like picking the right games and holding collabs

>>9415038
you should add Ollie there lol. She's basically EN light

Interesting that Kronii's SC numbers dropped off pretty hard compared to her first stream. I'm just comparing it to the sorts of numbers Mori had where in the three streams she had after gaining SC she pulled 10k or more each time.

>>9415114
>you should add Ollie there lol. She's basically EN light

>>9414794
>you have to use all of Gen2 to gauge
>showing me the numbers of your oshi (Deflection)
...
this whole discussion started around Kronika's numbers
1.>>9409492
2.>>9409577
follow fucking conversation, anon.
+ there is no point to speculat about whole gen, because hype around members is different.

>>9415249
most likely people are saving until post-stream, but then again don't expect too much on gaming streams
she's already getting more than Mumei's first post-SC reading stream (Minecraft)

>>9415518
>but then again don't expect too much on gaming streams
That was my original thought too, but these were what Mori got on gaming streams after her monetization stream. I'm just wondering if she has the legs to really challenge Mori (or Kiara) as the EN superchat top dog.

>>9415114
>I didn't even know that she was streaming

>>9415068
>Kronii is debuffing herself with her streaming habits
this>>9414766
+ this mb important to establish your taste and find appropriate fanbase from the start.

I miss kneelposting. When will we see a Kuzuha mogging again?

>>9415385
Asking if debut buff is over, doesn’t mean to imply that it’s over based on just one example. It’s more data, anon.
>no point to speculat about whole gen
I’m not just talking about your oshi. That pic wasn’t just Kronii.

Owl stay strong while the clock bleeding viewers. Ame and irys no. still rising.

>>9415863
Owl just went to SC though.

>>9415689
>deflection
>attempt to ignor facts
>attempt to twist facts
good day to you

>>9416236
I’m the one who posted that pic anon. If it was just meant to be a conversation about Kronii, I would have only included her in the pic. When I asked if the debut buff is gone now, it was for Gen2.

>>9415605
wasn't this due to the SC wars?
also keep in mind Kronii got like 20k more on the SC debut so that evens out right now, it's just a matter of the long run I guess

Kronii probably won't make as much as Kiara and Mori even if she whores herself everyday with requests.

>>9408634
Pretty sure I saw Kronii hit 13k

HoloEN Gen 2 - Surperchat

Kronii $ 50.6k
>First SC Stream $ 46.5k
>Stories Untold $ 4.1k (still going)

Fauna $ 22.6k
>First SC stream $ 17.7k
>Plug & Play $ 1.7k
>Jackbox $ 0.5k
>Summertime ASMR $ 1.9k
>Minecraft $ 0.8k

Mumei $ 25.4k
>First SC stream $ 20.9k
>Minecraft $ 3.2k
>Paaspaetout $ 1.3k (still going)

Baelz $ 16.6k
>First SC stream $ 14.8k
>Mario kart $ 1k
>Kill it $ 0.8

Sana $ 21.9k
>Fist SC stream $ 19.5k
>Celeste $ 1.5k
>Minecraft $ 0.9k

>>9416371
>If it was just meant to be a conversation about Kronii
she was brought several times (not by me) as prime Example at this discussion. i just wanted to bring numbers and clarity in one case out of 5, but somehow end up to being "off topic".
not my fault people cann't sustain their narratives under facts and objective arguments.

>>9416791
>whores herself everyday with requests
this can kill interest in long term

>>9417022
14k

Fuck the management honestly. Get us some real overseas games already. I don't want to watch EN2 play platformers. It's gonna be even more hard if one of them starts a mario or JRPG arc.

>>9414048
I don't dispute that Suisei is more successful by almost every single metric, but I do think there can be a more nuanced numbers based metric for measuring the success of vsingers.

I think more conventional metrics like Youtube subscribers and SC only tell part of the story for vsingers, and you have to look at metrics like music sales on Oricon, number of views on YT/Spotify/Apple Music etc, and their ability to sell out live shows and merchandise.

Suisei is more successful than Azki at these metrics too, but there's other vsingers who are also at the top as well, most notably the Kamitsubaki Studio girls like KAF.

>>9417687
Unless someone here is paying for the Oricon subscription it’s hard to tell how well they are doing if they don’t rank within the free zone.
That’s not to mention that it’s harder to gauge Suisei, IRyS and Mori due to their international audience.
Oricon only tracks Japanese sales and the iTunes ranking doesn’t give concrete numbers.

Could Lauren possibly reach $1M in a year now that his birthday buff is over? I wanted to compare him to EN's growth but I'll settle with comparing him to Lamy since both of them satisfies a group of JP paypigs

That King cover is really farming subs at an accelerating rate

>>9418140
Maybe Gura will hit 3.5m before Kizuna Ai hits 3m

Kronii $5.8k
She disabled the SC because she was getting too much

>>9415114
More like EN reject

>>9418140
If Gura could gain 5.8k subs / day, she'd hit 4M subs by the new year.

>>9418140
Why this isn't helping Mori too?

>>9418140
There has to be another reason. Maybe more Koreans are discovering Gura from the recent Galaxy karaoke cover

>>9418221
Maybe Gura will hit four million before Ai hit three.

>>9418324
d she hate numbers?

>>9418603
not on her channel duh

>>9418659
Koreans already were discovering Gura

>>9418718
Yes, but this was the 1st time that Gura sang a Korean song. It was really well done. Between two different Korean clipper channels, I see almost 200k views.

>>9418686
Ask someone like Gura or Ame that likes to disable superchat or just complete ignore reading them.

>>9418603
Not on her channel.
Song boosts apply only on the channel they're on, as people very rarely go out of their way to click the collaborating party's channel in collab songs.
>>9418140
>>9418382
Its not impossible. Gura's going to be doing a repeat of that first famous Karaoke that sent her to the stratosphere as her Anniversary(She's planning on doing the exact same setlist), and I suspect we'll get at least one more song from her by the end of the year.

>>9418893
>I suspect we'll get at least one more song from her by the end of the year.
same here

>>9415620
After a summer buffed month he is back to his usual number around 20k-25k median views.

September median views 9/1 - 9/7 (number of streams)
>Marine 31,886 (5)
>Pekora 27,742 (5)
>Gura 27,203 (5)
>Kuzuha 20,789 (7)

>>9418343
Glad she is, if that was the case. She'd ruin the image of EN with how she interact on SNS mindlessly. Cover dodged a bullet.

Update

>>9419473
R6S is killing his average. Feels bad. He can get 31k on Pokemon but not even 20k in that game.

>>9417623
what are overseas games to you?

Will Nene get better numbers than her genmates?

>>9420020
Apparently Apex isn't an overseas game for him

any idea where i can get # stream hours/week? i want to look into how irys ranks since she had ~24 hours this past week alone

>>9420020
Maybe overseas wasn't the right word. I meant, western classics or popular decade year old games like Bioshock, dead island, uncharted etc.

https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1435452839837323264
Going to premiere first Lever Gacha event from December for free this week. Wonder how much will this get.

>>9420171
yeah COD is Much better

>>9420282
who will Play those games?
who will watch those games?

as example did U watch DMC3 or TitanFall 2 for example?

>>9420451
4k likes in an hour. Disappointing. It ain't hyped by jp fans.

Can someone make a spreadsheet that contains the average live viewership, average vod views and places from which people watch them for all holos that have been in activity for the last 6 months divided by branch and generation/group

>>9420576
In the hands of the right people, some games are watchable, some are not. DMC3 Gura was okay, not that good as her DMC 5 one. I haven't watched Titan Fall 2 from anyone yet. Half life 2 Ina was Kino. EN 2 aside from Kronii is playing really weird debuff games, not counting minecraft. I was certain that at least one of them can take on Binding of Isaac or something.

>>9420965
The only mistake of Gura's DMC3 streams were playing on normal instead of easy.

>>9420451
Don't count on it, most people who wanted to see it have seen it. It's a rerun for a paid event most people have downloaded and passed around

>>9420451
Probably 0 views. Nijishitty is dead now. The summer buff is over and the tourists and casuals who normally watch Nijishitty have moved on. Good riddance to that black company.

>>9421292
ogey falseflagger, go back to the niji thread.

>>9418140
tick tock moririn

>>9420965
>In the hands of the right people, some games are watchable, some are not.
there is no person in holoEN who wants to play such games, some of them can brag otherwise but no one has desire/motivation to play such games.
>I haven't watched Titan Fall 2 from anyone yet.
at least 3 ppl played it already (ina/irys/selen)
>Kronii is playing really weird debuff games

im not a zoomer, but such taste is out of place in hololive, search for some indi
otherwise clothest you will get Kiara's playthrough of Mass Effect/Bioshock (unironicly)

>>9420965
>In the hands of the right people, some games are watchable, some are not.
there is no person in holoEN who wants to play such games, some of them can brag otherwise but no one has desire/motivation to play such games.
>I haven't watched Titan Fall 2 from anyone yet.
at least 3 ppl played it already (ina/irys/selen)


im not a zoomer, but such taste is out of place in hololive, search for some indi
otherwise clothest you will get Kiara's playthrough of Mass Effect/Bioshock (unironicl

Is there a reason why Nene's music covers didn't take off as high as the others? I checked her just now and her highest viewed stream is her 3D debut despite pumping a lot of covers over the year. She's regarded/seen as an Idol, second only to Aqua, right?

>>9421747
>She's regarded/seen as an Idol, second only to Aqua, right?
Sora, Azki, Suisei, Subaru..

>>9421802
Azki isn't an idol, she's a diva.

>>9421802
>Subaru

>>9421863
semantics

>>9421913
>Subaru
yes>>9414397

>>9421747
>second only to Aqua
>when Sora just held the most idol-like holos gathering yesterday
more like sixth after Aqua

I wish people would stop bringing up meme shit like "muh chemistry" in other threads to argue that NijiEN is good.

>>9423036
What
Does
This
Have
To
Do
With
Num
bers

>>9423036
Wrong thread. Bring numbers or stay out.

>>9423090
>>9423104
Not leaving

>>9421956
There's a giant difference between a diva and an idol. It's a western term to begin with and it's used to describe music artists (specifically, female singers).

>>9406045
Harris cum alot

Clippers farming views with Gura's songs. She should really do covers more often.

>>9423631
>660k
jesas

>>9423631
Too much overhead to make official covers, especially if they aren't japanese songs. Better to let clippers give her extra exposure and handle translations.
Gura only seems bothered about member content being clipped, but it doesn't look like she has actively demanded them to stop

Nene new outfit on the 11th.
>PREDICTIONS?
Over/Under is at 30k mostly because the real question is: will it beat Polka’s numbers?

>>9423972
> Weekend
> Sweet 9PM PST
> Box push
Definitely above 30k.

>>9424101
JST *

>>9423972
Of course it will beat Polka's numbers. What kind of braindead question is that.

Anya must have got the taste of numbers in her outfit reveal, she clearly is using the tools Hololive provide to a streamer more often now
>Micra
>Collabs

Her peers must have pushed her out of her shell

>>9423937
I'm pretty sure the only reason she hasn't is because she has her metrics and knows that a large number of her members likely reside outside of when she usually runs her member streams, and for their sake doesn't go strike happy on members unarchived karaoke.
But yea, to officially do a cover requires a bunch of paper work and time, and I don't think Gura has the patience for it most of the time. The King cover with Mori definitely seems like something Mori helped push along because I somehow doubt it was Gura's idea.

Here is how to lie with numbers
Headline
> TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

Punchline, way below the fold
>However, YouTube retains the top spot for overall time spent - not per user - as it has many more users overall.

That’s part of what I said the other day
>If they’re taking something easily measurable and, instead of comparing head to head, they’re doing some convoluted computation or ratio: they’re trying to mislead you

But this is interesting because it shows why YouTube is focusing so hard on #shorts.
I bet Risu can make a KILLING with NNN this year because the algo is all geared up to give shorts lots of exposure

>>9424745
You can check on Mori and Gura's vod and they did give a bit of insight on the process of making. At least I can tell you is that Mori said it was Gura's idea and approach her for the collab cover for King.

>>9424745
Seems like unarchived member karaoke clips are the least shit solution, why change what isn't broken.
Mori said King was Gura's idea.

>>9425164
I must have missed it damnit. This is what i get for assuming things, must've been in the one or two Gura streams I missed. Thanks for the info.

OwlGirl dashing for an easy #2 on her gen, following ClockGirl

>>9424206
zikou

>>9424913
>android phone only
keep in mind IOS > android in the USA
https://www.pcmag.com/news/ios-more-popular-in-japan-and-us-android-dominates-in-china-and-india

>>9423972
The over/under for Holos is 8% ~ 12% sub-to-ccv ratio?

>>9425322
what happened to IRyS?

>>9423972
Obviously it will beat Polka's numbers are you fucking retarded? She was doing everything she possibly could to debuff herself during that stream while Nene always does well during special events. The real benchmark is either Botan or Lamy, honestly I think she'll beat both though

>>9425807
I suspect that 12 minutes, after Pekora and Kronii have played it, is now going to potentially be a neutral/debuff game. There is a lot of repetition that's pretty boring in the game, and now that the 'big twists' have been spoiled for many, there's less incentive to watch these playthroughs.
Also, as stated, back to school (this includes university for some regions) so less viewers overall for the next bit until people get their schedules in order imo.

>>9425807
If I were to assume I would say: bad choice of slot and a game that was just recently played by ClockGirl and Pekora

>Early Niji EN hours
Selen, Finana, Pomu and even Rosemi with (relative to their usual) good numbers.

Bora Nun completely dominated the period and even inclined while the progression of time. Clearly the breakout character of the KR branch

>>9426724
>Late Niji EN hours
Petra dared to step into the "Petra debuff field".
Also: out goes Bora Nun, in come Elu with more APEX, then Nui with Genshin.

Any NijiEN averaging 5k could easily dominate the whole set of slots.
If NijiEN wants to be taken seriously as a Niji branch they surely need to claim these slots given that most of them are in the early morning for Japan

>>9426859
Outside of Bora who is practically JP don't they easily beat out any other foreign branch?

>16 hours
Abit of a slow day today huh?

>>9427106
this thread died with piyo, same thing happened when vnuma died

>>9426980
>don't they easily beat out any other foreign branch?
That's not a feat at all.
NijiID and NijiKR are pretty much always below the "Gwelu Line", meaning they're trailing a fucking 24 hours meme stream with a static screen and a counter, or a similar non engaging gimmick.

>>9427277
NTA but Gwelu is playing some VODs on the countdown now I believe.

>>9427154
Back on vnuma days the thread used to last from daily vnuma to daily vnuma with people purposedly letting it stay dead until the next vnuma dropped.
The fact there was a period this thread was fast enough for 3 rotations a day was an outlier caused by Niji strong august and Kuzuha dash to 1M