/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>9393880
That's because IRyS is generic anime girl voice #6023

Regardless of whether or not you like Mori's voice, at least she's something different

IRyS:
>Wasn't hired to be a regular streamer
>Still works as a regular streamer on her own time

Mori:
>Wasn't hired to produce music
>Still produces music with her own money

If you ask me, YAGOO is winning, and made all the right choices.

Irys msin issue is the song choices.

>>9393880
Or maybe Irys is just better at time management. She's pumped out MVs every week and has been doing Karaokes every week with new songs. Many ENs recycle songs. It's boring.

>>9393880
At the end of the day, both of them are successful.

Or IRyS streams alot to help get exposure? Bigger fanbase means more people checking out your music. She just started.

>>9394919
Cover actually supports IRyS.
Mori does everything herself

IRyS is in the same akward spot as AZkI right now. Their primary job is live concerts and music, but concerts are shut down. I'm sure there is plenty of music work going on on the back end.

>>9393880
Her music feels like I could hear that literally anywhere else it's not really anything special, while mori stuff really has character even if you don't like the style

>>9395048
Mori is paying people to do stuff for her. The most she does is write the lyrics but even then she has a person that helps with that as well.

>>9395093
And your take is also unoriginal.

>>9393952
Mori is generic white girl voice

>>9393880
Mori has the ironic wigger fanbase that sucks up her music and Mori’s model is a huge boost

>>9395096
All artists do that, no matter how good you are

>>9395096
Yes, but Mori actually has to pay for and organize it, and we know from accounts by other people she's very hands on. IRyS doesn't pay for shit, she just gets sent a track to sing to.

>>9395096
>Mori is paying people to do stuff for her.
exactly

>>9393880
Both sucks anyway. They don't offer anything good.

>spend months shitposting about EN not having good musicians
>cover finally gets a professionally trained singer
>wow where's the soul
make up your minds schizos

They screwed IRyS over with a shit L2D and no 3D model for Lives

>>9395359
Probably, but that doesn't have anything to do with quality music and such.

>>9395354
IRyS is self-taught. But then so is Ina.

>>9395359
hearing that ugly goblin talk and act so cutely is surreal. They really screwed up the poor girl

>>9393880
>EN vsinger
>Sings mostly in Japanese

It's really not hard to figure this one out.

>>9393880
Irys have a generic anime op girl voice and sing generic songs

Mori is a mediocre rapper in a market(vtuber) with 0 competition

>>9395430
she might say that but the way she talks about mechanics of singing and her consistent quality at least shows she's had some coaching. What seems to catch people up is she tries to cover songs as close to the original as possible instead of putting her own spin on it

>>9395587
Apparently she uses YouTube tutorials to teach herself. I’d consider that self taught.

>>9395354
It feels like a lot of hype was wasted on IRyS. Just turned into your average hololive streamer, which is fine. Just nothing impressive.

>>9395768
>your average hololive streamer, which is fine. Just nothing impressive.
What would be her future then?

>>9395477
Blame Cover, does anyone have the image where cover management responded they don't want to adapt to the West but rather keep their Japanese culture in all their product? It was something along those lines. Anyway IRyS doesn't really get to pick and choose.

>>9395868
Streaming to an audience of thousands daily?

>>9395998
I'm talking on a personal focus. Her audience are pretty much there because HoloLive, not for her.

>>9395919
I don't know about that. All of EN sings plenty of english songs.
IRyS says she doesn't even want to sing english karaoke because she has to make it unarchived.

I'm pretty sure this is because of IRyS' choices.

>>9396199
I was talking about produced music, and she does unarchived karaoke behind membership, which almost every Holo has done.

It makes sense if she wants actual karaoke vods up on her channel to do archived streams.

>>9396093
The early sub rush was for the brand, but now she seems to have a dedicated bubble of unique viewers compared to the huge overlap the rest of EN has

>>9395868
I don't know. She was the 1st of her kind (EN VSinger), so I was expecting something different than the usual formula. Personal preferences aside, she doesn't really offer anything new imo. If I want to hear great japanese singing, I can listen to Suisei or Azki. If I want to see decent gameplay, I can watch any other hololive talent playing their niche.
No hate on her though. She seems nice and talented. Maybe she'll change a lot of people's minds later

>>9395359
I actually like her L2D, though it took a bit of time to get used to so I get why people dislike it

>>9396093
Who the hell watches streams because of the brand?
There are dozens of streamers in hololive. If they watch her specifically there is a reason.

Her base ballooned gigantically because of hololive but it was retained because of her.

>>9396439
Depends on who you're looking at, the older members in gen 0/1 have mostly carved out their own bubbles but down in myth and council they probably share 90% or more of their subs

>>9396439
>Who the hell watches streams because of the brand?
>There are dozens of streamers in hololive. If they watch her specifically there is a reason.
Bro. If they moves out from HoloLive, they will lose more than half their people if not all.

>>9396369
For EOPs her archived karaokes have been pretty fun. She has a very different voice to AZKi and Suisei and is just as good. I think she'll shine if she's able to do singing offcollabs or perform live eventually.

The model and no 3D are factors, but the songs they wrote for her just aren't all that popular, and that's at least partly on the composers not just her voice.
The only one I see people talk about is Here Comes Hope, and that one didn't even receive an MV yet.

>>9396711
Only if they get blacklisted from interacting with existing hololive members and even then it will be mostly by people not being able to find them again.

>insulting my oshi
Yeah, keep posting. I’m gonna use this thread as a hit list when murder is legalized.

>>9397679
What's the opposite of based?

>>9397730
(You)

>>9393880
Mori's music is cringe kino

>>9397730
>What's the opposite of based?
me kicking your teeth down your throat

Ah, yes. The one who can't sing was meant to be the vsinger. Perfect /vt/ sense.

>Mori's song
Yeah. Her songs are definitely original but try playing that shit on a live concert. Can you imagine the cringe? IRyS is the safe choice here because she can sing any Holo original. She's back-up AZKi right now but we know AZKi's contract expires next year if she does not extend.

>Mori
>Lives in Japan
>Cant speak Japanese

>Irys
>Lives in Japan
>Speaks Japanese fluently

>>9393880
>streams little
https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1435332040803553282?s=21
5 streams in 5 days

>>9398776
she really likes the number 5

>>9395096
She's not only made the MV for half of her songs but also mixed for a couple of them. It precisely because of this she kept costs down early and now pays people for good work, though she still did the MV for Envy Baby and King and part of the mixing for Getcha

>>9397730
desab

>>9398776
How many times has she streamed in the last 5 days?

>>9393880
Mori cant sing. If you said Gura I would actually agree.

>>9399016
Hard to stream when you're on multiple flights. She had a pretty strong streaming month through August as a whole, though.

>>9399225
Just don't compare her average or total stream hours...

>>9399263
She streamed more than Gura, Ame or Ina last month and well over the average for all Holomem. It's kind of silly to say that Mori 'streams little'.

>>9393880
Ironically, switching their places would actually kill Mori. From what we've seen (if you watched IRyS' stream and looked at chicken's streams), VSinger seems to be controlled much more by Cover than normal Holo
>IRyS didn't know, and said she would have asked manager if she has permission to sing HER OWN SONG on her archived singing stream
>Even though she can somewhat negotiate with the management, she seems to have to follow Cover's plan when it comes to music. In particular, Cover wasn't planning to upload her most recent MV for her song on her channel, and IRyS had to push them for it - which was why the "MV" seemed to have even less quality than some of those "King" covers' MVs around
>Cover was the one who picked the composers and lyricists for IRyS' song, and she has very little input in it (although I guess over time, as IRyS become more integrated into Hololive, she probably will have more negotiation power over this)
Thus, being VSinger might help IRyS since unlike Mori or Suisei, she can't write a song by herself and probably doesn't have as many connections to do so. However, imagine Mori with all the restrictions above? Music-wise, that'd probably be a pretty different Mori from the one we know
Anyway, IRyS just started and she is actually doing pretty well in building a fanbase. She has a decent amount of EOP and JOP fans, her voice is good, and her singing techniques are definitely in the better group among Holos. Her music career will get better in time - the girl just started roughly a month ago, for goodness sake

>>9395051
AZKi is literally doing a concert next week. Even through the pandemic, VSingers across the industry have still managed to put out concerts. Cover could have easily debuted IRyS with a 3D model and scheduled a concert for December or have her participate in one of the industry-planned mega-concerts that feature various VSingers.

>>9399388
>Cover could have easily debuted IRyS with a 3D model
People are already shitting on IRyS since she debuted with 4 original songs funded by Cover. Heck, while Kiara doesn't dislike IRyS like narrativefags claim (or so I hope), she has voiced her displeasure in Cover's treatment to IRyS compared to her song. If IRyS debuted with a 3D model even before Myths get theirs? There'd likely be people from both outside and inside Hololive being unhappy with her. Cover probably doesn't want to risk any drama

>>9399379
I wish Irys had more freedom, honestly. She's very open to western songs and even appeases us with our Arvil rrats. She's also an excellent streamer who loves her job. And unlike my boy who took a while until she hit her stride, Irys is only getting better every day and is loved by almost everyone. Even antis are toothless against her.
t. deadbeat

>>9399532
Yes it's true, kiara hates IRyS she called her bitch on the latest among us collab,
called her "handsome" voice disgusting during garlic phone collab and so on

>>9399618
Not sure what the freedom meme is, the no cursing is more self censoring than a hard rule and she's openly talked about lolis, shotas and traps among other things. The only actual restriction she has is with her music and that's probably some arcane record label jewery

>>9399349
She has a small upswing before another decline, typical Mori pattern

>>9399618
Freedom on how to use other people's money? That was always obviously the downside of being company-funded. Company songs belong to the company and are made to the company's preferences.
Which isn't necessarily bad, a lot of my favorite Holo Originals are Bloom songs.
That doesn't mean she'll never have any say on anything, but it's too early for her to be calling any shots. She'll be one among many during brainstorming sessions, on equal footing. It would be the equivalent of, say, a drummer chuuba making original songs and paying for a vocalist like the singing chuubas pay for the drummers in theirs. The singer wouldn't get any say, the music isn't theirs.

>>9399810
That's what I meant. I wish she had more freedom with her music. I'm sure she has something else to say outside of what cover mandates her to sing.

>>9400075
>Tfw no drum chubba

>>9400077
There's probably nothing stopping her from pushing for a single, but she talks about going to the studio at least once a week so there's already something in the works on top of her new video game addiction

>>9400685
>>9400075
Yeah, you're right. I'm excited to see something she made herself.

>>9395430
The fact that Ina is self taught proves that anyone can be amazing without a coach, which is honestly inspiring

>>9400958
And Mori still can't speak Japanese

>>9393880
The only complaint I have when it comes to IRyS' singing is that she doesn't do enough of it. I love her voice.
>>9395430
>>9400958
Suisei, Toko from Niji, Chima from Niji, and Melissa from Niji are also all self-taught when it comes to singing and all excellent at it.

>>9402230
At least she didn't nuke her older music covers, and the most of the streams got re-uploaded. there's someone in /HiRys/ that's got most of the archive together too, enough to hold me over until she rebuilds her song catalog

>>9399944
What a weird goal post move, all to try to piegon hold her into "streams little" label which is just objectively not true lmao

>>9395224
Nope.

>>9403286
WDYM nope are you an artist?
>probably not LMAO
>keep seething

>>9403643
I was just shitposting for an easy (you) before going to bed. I have no idea what you're trying to do with that greentext, newfriend.

>IRyS:
>>streams a lot
>>doesn't focus on her music because her >music videos get poor views
>Mori:
>>streams little
>>focuses on her music instead because her >music videos get good views
>They should clearly switch places. Mori was >the one meant to be the Vsinger. IRyS is a >failure.

>>9393880
>IRyS
KIARA'S ARCH NEMESIS.

>>9398549
Your boy isn't good at learning japanese

>>9399379
vsingers have to sell their soul to cover, some of you guys really want that for your Oshi?

>Mori
lmao

>>9406025
>Irys
Lmao

>>9393880
maybe if her music didnt sound identical to a million other anime inserts/OPs

atleast calllis music is identifiable, i would not be able to pick irys songs out of a playlist of anime openings

>>9408459
Tough choice for an artist. Be "unoriginal" and good or be "original" and bad.

The only problem I have with Irys is that she needa better composers. I wish she would have songs that have 90s pop vibes.

>>9408459
This sounds pretty identifiable to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGH-6CaG8HI
Regardless of quality, if you wouldn't be able to pick it from a random playlist, you're just retarded.

>>9396439
>Who the hell watches streams because of the brand?
Most people, many holo were just as good before as indies and had from 10 to 100 people pretty often. Just being "Hololive" instantly grants you thousands of viewers and hundred of thousands of subs and from barely any donation to a year of salary every month. Most people will tell themselves this or that girl is amazing when in fact they're really just watching her because of the Holo brand and hundreds of indies just as good exist.

>>9393880
Is she still struggling or has she improved?

>>9418302
Struggling making money or struggling streaming?

>>9393880
Bullshit.

Mori desperately wanted to be a Vsinge, it’s clear from the fact that she puts 0 effort into anything she does except her own music.

Streams, collabs, games, anything… Bare minimum. Mostly talking streams or 60-70 minutes of gameplay. Then it’s “Welp, sorry Cuckbeats! I gotta meet my boyfriend… I meaaan Reaper Duties! Thanks for the Aka Supas Bros!”

Plus mori’s songs suck. It’s like any white girl rapping on tik tok. IRyS can actually sing, and is 100 times the streamer calli is on top of her music requirements.

>>9409021
finally i found my answer for why 2view indies seethe so much to the girls that passed hololive audition, thanks for the enlightenment anon

>>9418619
Remember when she dropped re8 because she can't commentate?

>>9418619
>meet my boyfriend
why are you so insecure, anon?

>>9393952
Mori is generic wigger voice, what are you even talking about?

>>9418890
Would you like to tell me why she is always trying to get away from the stream and computer as fast as she can every day?
She can barely speak Japanese, so it isn’t to go hang out with the locals. She’s always leaving collabs early and leaves the other 4 girls playing. “Sorry! Gotta go!”
Even when she calls into other people’s streams it’s not from home, but from her boyfriends house while he’s going down on her.
“Happy… Ahhn~! Birthday Gura! Oh GOD. Okay gotta go!”
The joke about dad going out for milk would be more funny if she wasn’t actually always out trying to get the milk.

>>9418619
It's just pathetic now dude, your Rrats are long dead.

>>9393952
IRyS is really nice, your opinions are wrong.

>>9393963
>fires the entire CN branch because China demands it
>but then makes things intolerable for Coco
>she then becomes extremely popular as a "fuck you" to china from japanese, korean and american anons
>she then leaves at the peak of her popularity as a middle finger

No. Yagoo just happened to get lucky and game the youtube algorithm to overtake Nijisanji with little competition from the Vwhores on Twitch for youtube viewership. Right place right time scammy moves.

>>9397730
unbased

>>9399729
>>9399532
>kiara spams her song everywhere, doesn't help her friends pimp out shit like velvet and reflect though
>complains that cover didn't spam her song more

STREAM SPARKS GUYS, CMON

>>9393952
Mori's voice is ugly, while IRyS have a nice voice and is good at singing

It's the song choice. In my head it is all just
>DAH DAH DAH BELT OUT HOPEFULLY AFTER THE GLOOMY PAAAARRRTTT
She can sing, but everything she has done melds together. I don't blame Irys. She needs more freedom to find her sound.

It is like the awkward lore phase manifested in music, but we don't even get her devil side.

>>9422835
Irys can speak Japanese as well

>>9422469
I could feel the actual cringing during her birthday stream when she used one of her Gartic Phone drawings to literally plug her Stream Sparks! bullshit.

Everyone was just like….. Hahaha…….

>>9422890
She has done a lot of different songs in her karaoke streams.

>>9422893
IRyS is also good at just conversing, she's very personable.

>>9422996
Yeah, she got really comfortable with streaming pretty quick

>>9393880
irys is fluent in japanese next to kiara. so that way of streaming is pretty right

>>9422291
You are correct, Anon

In fact she is blowing me right now

>remember when red velvet cake was popular?

It peaked literally 10 years ago on google trends lmao.

>>9393880
Ironic her Japanese sounds better than the one that supposedly lives in Japan and even Chicken. Only if she had a better design...

>>9395256
>I don’t like anything am I cool guys?

>>9422162
what's a wigger voice i will believe you if its a wigger mannerism"
>be better at criticism SEAnigs LMAO

>>9418619
>keep seething LMAO
>most council have a bf and u pick up a debunked thread do a better reps and don't pass hatred to others SEAnigs LOL

>>9393880
>>doesn't focus on her music because her music videos get poor views
Maybe because for an ENGLISH virtual singer, all her songs are in Japanese. Hololive is retarded.

>>9425867
anon that's a living proof of 2view vtubers LOL

>>9429190
true i wish they would at least give subs to it, like how mori approach her music having both japanese/english sub at the same time

>>9429267
At least with Mori some of her songs are in completely in English. That's why it gets views, because the gaijin audience which it is marketed can understand it.

>>9429190
I don't understand why IRys could not just do unarchived singing stream for western songs

>>9429304
true with the announced releases of songs
I wish we get different variety like the other albums

>>9398435
>AZKi's contract expires next year if she does not extend
Didn't she say in HoloTalk that it got extended indefinitely?

>>9429190
also the fact their 1 talent who is making non-jpop idol music blows all their idol stuff out of the water in views because of EOPs and they don't do a damn thing to try and cater to that market while aiming their product at them
moronic company

>>9429471
She has, maybe try watching her before posting retard.

Which of them would be a better girlfriend/wife though?

>>9430987
>Idk about doing nothing
kiara said that the cover put a lot of investment in Irys as a vsinger, maybe they dont know how to use such a large amout of money, unlike mori, that reaches for random people for some of her animated MV and still make ton of views for it

>>9431463
Ah, Kiara said. And why should we believe anything that jealous cunt says about IRyS? She would say anything to make herself look good and IRyS bad.

>>9431559
forgot about that sometimes OOF

>no secret ending
Bummer

>>9399618
>>9399810
>>9400685
>>9400879
IRyS had like a decade long career and didn't release a single original iirc, I think she's perfectly fine just being a tube for Cover produced shit

>>9393880
Why is her live2d so uncanny? What the fuck is wrong with her, its fickucking scary instead of cute

>>9431368
You'd be doxxed faster if you were with mori

>>9434671
She released 2 EPs. Was featured in countless originals and sang anime ED. What are you talking about