/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>933831
Hololive created the Vtuber market in the first place so how can it be detrimental?

>>933831
Gura's subscribers are mostly dead subs. Source:
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCoSrY_IQQVpmIRZ9Xf-y93g
You can also see this whenever she streams, despite having 2,200,000+ subscribers, barely anyone watches her stream these days. She has the one of the worst viewer retention percentage in all of Hololive because people just subscribed to her and get instantly bored by her lack of personality. She even gets outVOD'ed now, a Marine video hit more than a million views in just one day, Gura has never been able to do that, again because people only subbed for a cute design and got bored of her. It doesn't help that Gurafags are extremely cheap and never buy akasupas for her, she makes way less sc money than some of her genmates. Gura's only big number is not even legit because it's all fake fans.
(Posting this again because you ran away from that thread out of fear and insecurity.)

>>933902
Why does shork trigger so many? TMSK is making me want to learn Japanese so she can bully me.

>>933936
>make a post about how supposedly popular Gura is using her numbers
>instantly change the subject when confronted by facts
Why are gurafags like this?

>>933996
I've probably watched more Sakura Miko than I have shork, unless we're counting HER. I just don't know why she triggers you guys so much. But yes, I only turn off ads for Pikamee, TMSK, or magnet (rip)

I for one support hololive having the dominant presence in the english market. I'd much rather have english companies imitating them than say... Vshojo

You could have made a much nicer OP and gotten better discussion by not being a total faggot numberfagging chumbud

>>933902
>>933996
>>934243
Look at these mentally weak faggots.

>>933902
>>933936
>>933996
op here.
I'm not a fan of Gura (I don't have anything against her either), I just user her as an example of how holos are basically too big to fail from brand-strenght alone.
Regarding your "mostly dead subs":
The average video views of most holos only amount to around 25% (eg.: Coco is at 23%, Kanata at 27%, Subaru at 25%). Even in HoloEN Ame and Calli score worse than Gura on that metric despite having far smaller subscriber amounts.
And in any case, 500k average video views is still more than the vast majority of vtubers. Marine and Haato have much better audience retention but their audience is smaller so on average they score lower.
And again, comparing her against other Holos (let alone some of the most successful holos) is beyond the point.

>>933895
>hololive created the vtuber market

>>934408
shhhh, don't interrupt their LARP

>>934131
>>934282
>make a thread about dominance and numbers
>get proven wrong and now refuse to discuss it anymore
Damn, nigger you got blown the fuck out and now can't respond with anything anymore. You're being off-topic because the truth struck a nerve. My sides are in orbit

>>933902
Ok let's break this down
>500k average video views as "low"
This is comparing her channel against other channels that make short form content, livestream vods will never have as high viewership as 10-20 minute videos so you can only look at the data, in which case 500k video views on average is actually not bad at all, just not groundbreaking.
>Marine's vod
This is just not even worth comparing since Marine's was an 8 hour long stream, in which she played the entirety of fucking undertale genocide and got 47k live viewers at 2 points, of course the views at the end would be insane.
>SC earnings
Gura just very recently started doing superchat readings, and not even consistently, and she constantly reminds her audience that they should not feel pressured to donate at all, still, the only ones who get more than her are Kiara (barely) because she basically runs a cult and does constant, hours long superchat reading sessions where she gives regulars enough attention that they will never stop donating, and comparing anyone to Mori is like comparing them to Coco or Rushia, they're outliers.

>>934453
why does every board have to be filled with schizos like this guy

>>933895
>Hololive created the Vtuber market
Anon, Kizuna Ai was well known for several years before Hololive became relevant.

>>933895
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>>934485
>thread about the implications of Cover's control over discourse regarding vtubers gets derailed to talk about how hololive talents compare with other hololive talents

>>934485

describing Kiara's fans as a cult is surprisingly accurate

Only 4 en members. They haven't dominated anything. Clips are pretty much non commercial meme shit at this point.

That being said, I only watch Japanese vtuber videos. I noticed English vtubers are very different from jp ones.

>>933831
Wait 2-3 years for tsunderia to catch up to them before comparing, they're still new but they haven't stopped growing.
When NijiEN debuts we'll see how well they do and then we can talk about the monopolization of the market.
VShojo have the twitch scene in their hands, and their audiences are different enough that I don't think they're that easy to compare.

>>934765
>Wait 2-3 years for tsunderia to catch up to them before comparing, they're still new but they haven't stopped growing.
without Kana they aren't much

>>934790
Most of their members debuted barely 2 months ago, it's useless to compare them, and Kana's audience was there before tsunderia.
It also doesn't help that they split their audience between twitch and youtube..
But 200 live viewers 2 months into streaming is not bad for people that came out of nowhere

>>934592
Please read all of the posts you're quoting before quoting them, thanks

>>934913
true but I bet Kana was bringing in a lot of attention to the org

>>934408
>>934534
>overseas market

>>933831
It's really hard to know. I think without Hololive there is no meaningful overseas market and if they for some reason imploded tomorrow the other companies wouldn't see that many gains in viewership. No one else has the built-up community aspect that Hololive has. I think there would be room for a new English company that's not quite as trashy as Vshoujo to take the market share HoloEN has but it would take a while to build up and you'd need better talents than say Tsunderia to pull it off.

The fuck are those first 2 suggestions?
(and is there an actual confirmed face? I only know the 2 certain photos which have heavy editing / makeup, and the chubby blonde sunglasses photo which I don't think even was her)

>>933902
>only 21% of her subscribers watch her
welp that explains why chicken and mori get more money

>>935536
>>1

>>935403
I think in a non-pandemic timeline, the overseas market we see right now wouldn't have existed for another 2-3 years if we follow pre-2020 VTuber popularity growth rate.

The pandemic sped up the timetable and hololive just happened to be the one who got lucky.

>>933831
Meh, for better or worse, the "Vtuber community" in the west is basically 80% holofags, who watch hololive exclusively and don't even bother checking other Vtubers (or worse, only watch hololive clips and nothing else), and the rest.

But if you removed hololive from the equation, most likely than not, most of those holofags would probably do something else with their lives instead of going to other Vtubers (assuming they even know other Vtubers exist). Because the "Vtuber boom" in the west basically created a bunch of Hololive fans, who aren't necessarily "Vtuber fans", if you get what I mean (I blame this on the fact exposure to Vtubers in the west came almost exclusively from clips, instead of people organically checking streamers).

>>933831
I'm hoping NijiEN will shake things up otherwise Hololive is just going to keep resting on their laurels

>>934984
Not really actually. Some of her audience didn't even know she was part of a group.

>>933831
I just want Hololive to have some competition in the west.