/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>93046223
When you thought Mori was bad... then there actually is a BIGGER bootlicker.

>>93046783
>bootlicking is when you can't get Fauna to do Dashboard Confessional for a live event
At last, I've finally see

>>93046223
>Cover shouldn't provide housing that's stupid
I never got this cope, I don't know of any company that doesn't provide housing, transport and eating expenses when you travel

>>93046932
She meant long term

>>93046223
>b-but... muh indies! don't you want to be FREE????? YOU BOOTLICKER

>>93046223
>>Cover shouldn't provide housing that's stupid

They force their talents to go to japan to record shit. It's just standard pratice for them to provide housing too.

They'd be scum if they pull a niji and don't provide for their talents.

>>93046223
Maybe she negotiated a really plum deal of some kind.

>>93046223
This is what happens when corp compensate you for their fuck ups it's means to keep you quiet fuck ina

>>93046932
She means that cover shouldn't diversify into the landlord business

>>93046783
>>93048093
Uh oh Sapkek melty

>>93046783
Hololive is twisting arms to get talents to run damage control and that isn't fair. Ina wants to stay on the good side of management and she isn't going to say anything negative this soon after a HoloEN graduation. The "forgotten" work visa shows that management has many ways to make things harder for them if they don't side with the company.

>>93048194
Sapkek?
Rent free

It's weird you posted a smug image of her while everything she said is retarded and bad for talents. Corpocucks really need to be run off this board.

>>93046223
Did Ina actually say those things? Please say you're joking

>>93046932
You want them to build an apartment complex and let the talents live there for free (except actually make dozens of them so talents can live in more places). In reality, management lets talents live and work in their own homes and offices.

>>93046223
Ina understands that EN is nothing more than a small sidebranch.

It's hilarious how retards here trust a company that encourages their talents to speak well of the company but also slaps nda in their contracts to prevent talents from saying the real reasons they left the wonderland utopian wall garden the corporate bootlickers here think cover is.

>>93046223
>>Cover shouldn't build a US studio that would be way too expensive
no one actually thinks this is a good idea right?

>>93046223
>Make a studio in the US
>People have to fly in from Canada, Europe, and all over the fucking place anyway

Yeah great business decision.

>>93048412
>>93048213
>Cover is pointing a gun to Ina's head
Boy, hololive antis are losing it

>>93048465
most people here are children who don't understand how money works

>>93048213
>nothing to seethe about
>seethe about it anyway and cry conspiracy

>>93046223
>Cover shouldn't build a US studio that would be way too expensive
They shouldn't because first the US is massive and even if they built it people would still need to travel there. Second, most of them are in Japan anyway so why bother?

>>93048575
>Schizo damage control
I hope you're getting at least free merch and memberships for your bootlicking expertise.

>>93048412
if everyone's silence can be bought, that just means Fauna is worthless

>>Cover shouldn't build a US studio that would be way too expensive
But that's true

>>93046223
She is right about everything

>>93046223
>I thought Ina would be graduating 2 weeks from now
Who said? She's clearly staying. She has a set of cards in the TCG. Gura is leaving though.

>>93048746
Yeah and hiring 400 people in a few years while burning a shit ton of money on a game nobodies excited for is a better idea

>>93048726
Talents don't have millions of dollars to throw at lawyer fees for Japanese manchild court battles. How you think the corporate ceos get away with screwing their workers my guy? They have the money to keep the piss contest going you don't.

>>93048864
I mean I won't exactly play ball for HoloEarth but one bad idea doesn't make another sound.

>>93046783
Fpbp
Besides, Ina likes to lick Cover's boot because its extra money for her.

>>93046223
Cover should fire at least half of their staff

>>93048921
Why isn't it sound? The studio as is cannot even meet the demand of the talents. Not even close. 3D lives are constantly delayed, and that's with all JP members have had their annual lives cut down from two to one.

>>93048283
>You want them to build an apartment complex
No I don't, that is retarded, stop putting retarded words in my mouth
>management lets talents live and work in their own homes
Also retarded, I wouldn't sleep in my manager's couch and I am an ugly, hairy man
>>93047335
That makes more sense, thanks for not being retarded, anon

>>93046223
That's fine. I really don't care for all the Japan dicksucking anymore. Reality will be reality, and HoloEN continue to alienate Western audiences at their own peril. Remember how it was a death sentence meme to say NijiEN will be merging with the main branch?

>>93048640
In 2025 this board is made primarily of """18""" year old ESLs with a rump of oldfriends from /jp/ futilely fighting back the tide

>>93046223
Well at least it seems cover gave whoever is left a more lucrative deal now to bootlick this hard lol. You win some you lose some.

>>93049141
You and 5 other people

>>93049030
Well, for one, American property is a very expensive venture to get into. Having to compete to find any available facilities to accommodate the studio in terms of size would be a matter of luck. Sure, you could just buy an empty lot and build on top of it, which could be either more or less expensive than straight up buying an established facility, but that takes time, time that isn't making any money on the now committed investment. After that you gotta actually get the equipment and the people who are going to maintain the studio before you can even get the talents in. Then you gotta accommodate for the taxes and utilities that are also going to eat at the investment. Who knows what else is missing? All this for a chance that this makes back its buck in a country where vtubing is not as thriving as it is in Japan and with a much different approach to copyright and licensing.

>>93048640
Not a nice thing to say about Yagoo.

>>93048575
Your ilk are starting to sound more and more like a nijisister.

>>93049235
>Muh nijisisters

>>93049188
Man, that's crazy. Is that the Saitama Super Arena in Miami, Florida? Whose sololive is that anyway?

>>93049188
I really wish America was not so weirdly hostile to vtubing. It would be cool to see this here.

>>93048213
I've never seen this level of damage control before. All the talents saying management is good.

>>93049188
>Japan
absolutely irrelevant to his post
I really hope Phase or the indies will dethrone HoloEN and take the western market

>>93046783
>trust the talents not the corpo
>talents don't shit on corpo
>nooooo they're bootlickers

1 month ago:
>Ina is leaving because of visa issues
Now:
>I always knew Ina was a bootlicker

The absolute state of Hololive antis.

>>93049313
ah, there it is
genuinely, Phasetards and liggers are the most cancerous """people""" on the board

>>93049429
>people

>>93049215
I highly doubt Tokyo property is peanuts for the square foot.
>time that isn't making any money on the now committed investment
HoloEarth. Holoplus.
>After that you gotta actually get the equipment and the people who are going to maintain the studio
Probably easier to find talent in the US than in Japan. Apparently the studio still isn't fully staffed. How the hell is that even possible?
>All this for a chance that this makes back its buck in a country where vtubing is not as thriving as it is in Japan
As in management has no faith in HoloEN. That's really what it comes down to.

>>93049267
The Holocult is going all out with this one.

I won't trust the OP until someone provide the clip.

>>93049445
>>93049429
disgusting bootlickers

>be giant weeb
>apply to weeb company
>paid trips to weebland six times a year

>hey lets take that away and make you travel to fucking san francisco instead
Why would talents fver disagree with a US studio?

>>93049593
>reee bootlicker
>proceeds to bootlick the cuckconnect

>>93046783
Hi Millle

>>93048465
I think it's a good idea. The Yen is weak right now and yeah that's gonna hurt the wallet but that's what business loans are for.
People will see the weird blue dorito building and say wtf is that? Just a basic presence will drive interest.

>>93049646
i don't even watch Phase but Japanese corporations aren't your friends

>>93049460
>As in management has no faith in HoloEN. That's really what it comes down to.
There is no lack of faith in the talents. Its black and white with how huge Hololive is in Japan vs. how it has barely a needle of presence in America. This is not hard to comprehend.

>>93049720
Build a store instead. They opened one recently in Tokyo.

>>93048465
It would be a cool thing and I would gladly try to support it in any way possible but yeah, I don't get how people don't seem to understand how expensive of an option it is. Its not remotely viable.

>>93048571
All of those flights are infinitely easier than a flight to Japan. A flight from anywhere in Canada would be like 5 hours maximum and barely any timezone change. This is in addition to there being minimal cultural differences (no issues finding food you like)

>>93049870
Nah, we have strip malls here and most of them have vacancies. Is it much cheaper and plausible? Sure but even in my town there isn't a lot of parking and you have to worry about petty crime.
Nah they need the big recording studio that says we are here. If they wanted to attach a gift shop to that and a tour guide of Cover's history then that I could see working.
Best of all? Not a lot of earthquakes.

>>93050087
What if...CoverLand?

>>93048241
It's funny how that has been there go-to rebuttal the past month. How long will they keep repeating it I wonder.

>>93049330
>trust the talent
Yeah, I trust Fauna.

>>93050276
I could see it working when it matures more. Parks have what, 50 rides? About?
You could do it now with all branches combined probably.
It'd probably be only open like six flags (weekends)

>>93049720
Anon, you do understand that the United States is pretty big, right? Either they build a bunch of studios spread out across the country, or they build just one and all the talents have to fly to it anyway.... by which point they may as well just fly to Japan.

>>93046223
Stockholm syndrome at its finest

>>93050533
>Fauna
>Talent

>>93046223
>surely they will reward my loyalty by not fucking me over again

>>93049429
Try to redirect again, nijisister. I dare you.

>>93046223
I just want to watch girls play video games

>>93050533
I don't

>>93049869
>don't invest in the Western market
>wadahek why no impact in Amelika?
And at one point Hololive was leeching off Nijisanji for crumbs, and yet management saw fit to build a small studio. And as far as Western/American vtubing market share goes, HoloEN dominates, at least for now. It's literally number one. Why are you talking like there's literally nothing to build off of?

>>93050698
Christ

>>93050698
She realized they were right all along.

>>93048465
It should happen but where are you gonna put the building? That’s my question

>>93050533
How's that working out for you? You loving the double Magni?

>>93050606
What's the visa and legal situation like between Michigan and California? Just spitballing two random examples.

>>93050658
Compared to pic-related Ina is fucking royalty. She is not a fat retard but a high-profile artist working for Type Moon.

>>93050698
Fauna is following some sus people.

At least rent a storage for merch so people don't have to pay $100 for shipping alone

>>93050699
Because I am talking from the perspective of an observer. I'm not the one making the decisions. I'm only making an educated observation.

>>93050562
would love to take part in the cheebs ride, If you know what I mean

>>93046783
saptrannies you make your oshi look so fucking bad all the fucking time

>>93051177
Aw yeah (has no idea)

>>93048680
>They shouldn't because first the US is massive and even if they built it people would still need to travel there.
>the US is massive
A domestic (or Canada to US) flight is on whole different level to flying out to Narita every time there's a live. Some talents would, invariably, be able to drive the distance or even consider relocating closer. The ones who wouldn't would only be doing an hour or two flight, a short hotel stay, and an hour or two flight back.
You could, with sufficient planning, fly out the same day for recording, record into the evening, and then fly back mid-day the following morning.
The European talents, quite logically as they are halfway between both, would still need to do a 10 hour flight regardless. But then Kiara and Erb and CC would have double the studio options and realistically EN things could take place in the US while ID and JP use the JP studio.

>>93052494
All of the remaining EN members except Gura and Shiori would sooner move to Japan than across/to the US.
A bunch of them are already considering moving to Japan.

>>93046223
she literally gets to go to paradise as a work opportunity are you alright no shit they shouldn't make a US studio

>>93048093
Indonesian talent is also being offered housing.
If you listen to X's Indonesian streamers, you'll see that they are not hotels, but housing for the streamers.
There is a theory that Cover Inc. rents out apartments for streamers.
It may be advantageous to use “company housing” or “company dormitory” for tax purposes under corporate tax law.
Well... I'm sure that's an expensive housing situation for a dormitory.

>>93049460
https://osakakensetu.jp/home/column/annzennnakuni/

Tokyo is half the price of Los Angeles per lot.
Security guards also earn less than half of what they do in Los Angeles.
Japan's economy has not grown since 1990, while the U.S. economy has grown so much that the cost of living in the U.S. has increased several times since 1990.
If Cover Inc. were to build a large second studio, Japan would be a prime candidate.
This is because it is easy for the technical staff to move between the first and second studios.
If Cover Inc. were to build a studio outside of Japan, it would be in Indonesia.
Indonesia can use “ID talent in Indonesia” and vtubers from Australia and Southeast Asia.
If bae goes back to Australia, a studio in Japan or Indonesia would be closer than in the USA.

>>93052662
Why would they go anywhere in the US when there's nothing built? What argument are you even making?

>>93049934
Everyone joining hololive EN is a diehard weeb.
The point is shaving off 50% travel time to go to a shittier studio in california when you could go to the nexus of it all in Japan sounds like a worthless option.

>>93053605
>This is because it is easy for the technical staff to move between the first and second studios
What staff? They still have not fully staffed this studio because there aren't enough skilled people in Japan because the entertainment industry in Japan is not great. They should invest in a smaller studio in the US if only because you can actually find people to do the work.

>>93052494
ANON, 3D recording is not something that can be done with just the talent and the manager.
It requires technical staff and a production director.
It requires staff with a wealth of experience in idol concerts.
It is expensive to fly them in.
Many staff members who are not employees of the cover company are also listed in the credits of the concert.
Will you call all of them Japanese by plane?
The security guards at the local studios are Americans.
The wages of American security guards are more than double those of Japanese guards.
It is cheaper to provide temporary housing for EN talent and their managers.
With the full tracking quality of the home that wawa streamed yesterday, it is possible to record just the talent.
If the quality is like Vrchat, it can be done at home.
But the talent needs to be supported at the recording site by many technicians if you want to do a full scale concert.
American 3D technicians are too expensive.
The current wage rate for 3D recording technicians in Japan is $5,000 to $75,000 per year.
It is impossible to hire someone with equivalent skills in California at this annual salary.

>>93046223
>Perms have advantages, talents get opportunities when cover gets a good working relationship with publishers
I will never get behind defending needing perms at all

>>93046783
>muh bootlicker
At this point you consider anyone except rabid holo antis to be bootlickers. you need to take a step back

>>93054196
except when they constantly stream the same shit

>>93054041
>Everyone joining hololive EN is a diehard weeb
How do you define that? Gura, Ame, Kiara, Mumei, Fauna and I'm pretty sure even Mori don't really watch anime. Kiara is a diehard idolfag. I guess that counts? I don't think Kronii watches anime either. I'm not entirely sure what's the manga situation, but pretty sure the consumption is really light, if at all.

>>93046223
There is literally no advantage to Japanese perm autism, Ina is lying through her teeth if she really said that.

>>93054487
I mean I don't support the idea that "Oh perms have advantages" It's just a dumb concept thanks to Japan being stupid when it comes to copyright
Somehow even dumber than other. All talents should be able to play whatever game they want

>>93054581
*Than other countries

>>93046223
Because she's a dope and has no intentions of graduating

>>93054050
That is not accurate.
The competition for 3D engineers in the vtuber industry is simply a lack of “engineers who can do it on this budget”.
The cover company is outsourcing the shortage and bringing in outside companies to do the work.
Still, they should be cheaper than the 3D concert techs in the USA.
The outsourcing company has a lot of experience in 3D concerts.
If you recruit workers in the USA, you will not get technicians who have a lot of experience in idol concerts.
Moreover, I don't think there is anyone who would come with an annual salary of $75,000~$100,000!

Can somebody post a clip or timestamp already?

>>93048213
>Ina who doesn't need hololive to get money because she's still busy with art job is desperate to defend Cover corp

right

>>93054824
No, because it would show that OP's taking shit out of context to farm (You)s from drama addicted retards

>>93054194
You're putting a ton of thought into a response for retarded 3rd worlders and edgy 16 year olds that just want to shit up the board instead of discussing in good faith. Really wish shitposting was actually moderated here

>>93046223
She didn’t actually say this, did she? I thought Ina was supposed to be one of the good ones…

>>93052494
The time to build a USA studio was 3 years ago. Now with daddy Trump and his tariffs, who knows the extra money you would need to build it.

>>93048575
>>Cover is pointing a gun to Ina's head
Japanese management isn't quite that vicious but the "forgotten" work visa is an example of how much they can mess with Hololive talents if they don't run damage control. If Ina gets on the management shit list than documents will be lost, perms will be denied, 3D studio time will never be available, merch will not be restocked, and every project will suffer numerous delays.

>Perms have advantages, talents get opportunities when cover gets a good working relationship with publishers

This probably refers to sponsorships and product advertising by major game manufacturers.
Nintendo, Capcom, Sony.
Streamers who adhere to their permissions are more likely to receive advertising requests.
Streamers who do not have a valid relationship with publishers are less likely to receive ad requests, although “anon” says they should stream without permission.
Streamers who just show their fans how to play the game for the rest of their lives.
If this is all you do, I think it's fine to “just delete the stream voluntarily if you get mad”.
However, there are many vtubers who want to be friends with publishers and sell items with their game characters, for example.

>>93054824
https://youtu.be/xHPDSpTfnUw?t=7588

Here you go its almost 30 minutes long.

>>93056238
Not even trying to be subtle, so this board is mostly just ChatGPT posts, huh?

>>93046223
>talents get opportunities when cover gets a good working relationship with publishers
So never?

Do i side with the schizos on /vt/ or my dope of an oshi?

Damn, the visa """issue""" really was intentional.

>>93049620
Why now have it so that they can choose where to travel to?

>>93056279
I specifically want to know the part where she defend Japanese perms.

>>93049620
The only paid trips are if they need you in the studio, if you're recording a bd/Anni live you need to pay for travel, hotel, the music, the choreography and the studio itself.

>>93056786
Dunno, she's telling you not to take her visa issue seriously.

>>93050424
Considering that chumkek has been a thing for like 4 years, I'd wager at least that long, unfortunately.

>>93050698
>>93050730
>>93050758
>>93050951
Be less obvious.

>>93054500
>Gura, Ame, Mumei, Fauna
retard.

>>93056133
However, I believe that the possibility of establishing a USA studio is not zero.
There is no economic rationale for it, and the burden on the company could be unreasonably high.
It is also possible that there is no profit advantage and the company is losing money.

It is a case of “presidential order”, which is a very political matter.
Japan is extremely vulnerable to “political” or “diplomatic” issues with the U.S.
The acquisition of US Steel by a Japanese steel company was recently rejected by the President.
And since the deal failed, the Japanese company will pay 80 billion yen = $500 million in penalties to US Steel shareholders.
The Japanese are surprised that a Japanese company would pay $500 million to the U.S., while it is understandable that the President has the authority to reject a takeover bid.
This happens often in Japan and the United States.
I don't think that Cover Inc. will be named by President Trump because of the size of its business.
However, the U.S. has made trade demands on Japan in the past, such as the Annual Reform Request, and if “corporate youtubers” are included in the talks under the Trump administration in 2025, Cover Inc. may be involved in diplomatic negotiations.
In that case, the number of Americans to be hired, the number of U.S. corporations to be enhanced, and the establishment of studios in the U.S. are possible.
This would be the same structure as Toyota establishing a factory in the US.
If it becomes a “political issue”, it is possible... Japan and the US have this lol

>>93050698
bruh

>>93057634
Japan is just an US colony.

>>93057238
Cope

>>93046223
when Ina makes this face I want to cum on it

>>93051204
They are the worst after swarmpedos

>>93056786
Ina, always.

>>93059592
who doesn't

>>93046223
Shes being forced to run damage control for the comments she made about the visa fiasco 2 months ago. Upper management didn’t like her implying they fucked up.

>>93050698
if this is what the opposite of bootlicking looks like then I guess I'm a bootlicker

>>93060999
Here comes the cope

>>93046223
>Perms have advantages, talents get opportunities when cover gets a good working relationship with publishers
Perms keep your shit from getting copystruck and nuked.
You can play fast and loose with that shit but you're going to end up on the receiving end of some bullshit at some point.

>>93061049
Believe what you want

>>93049141
>Reality will be reality, and HoloEN continue to alienate Western audiences at their own peril.
As they should, and "western audiences" as a whole can go fuck themselves. "Western audiences" is a synonym for the elusive "modern audience" that does not exist yet corporations keep trying to attract. Surely there must be a MASSIVE demographic of uppity self-important westerners that will save us from the CHUDS!
>>93049215
>Who knows what else is missing?
Security, broad-scale. Not just on a local tangible level but on an abstract cultural level. If you set up a studio and housing in Los Angeles or San Diego you are one baizuo faggot or basketball american away from harassment of talents or worse. It wouldn't take long for the people that stalk this shithole to track down the real estate paperwork. It is impossible to put a lid on that.

>>93046223
Ina isn't a fake kayfaber like Fauna or a tool for the liggers to use against hololive, sorry faggots.

>>93046783
At least Mori gets special treatment for being the biggest (in more ways than one) bootlicker. Ina gets nothing for it.

>>93061127
Cope

>>93048412
This is the real explanation. People choose to forget Dooby subtly shitting on Holo on her debut. But she obviously couldn't outright talk about it because NDA. Same applies for Magni and Vesper

>>93048867
It's not working for Niji

>>93056133
You don't know how tariffs work, go back to /pol/ now

>>93063257
>People choose to forget
Not really, her viewership has halved since debut.

>>93046223
uh saplings are gonna have another melty

>>93063449
Are you retarded? Do you really believe she’s gonna have 20k+ or whatever if it was every stream? She has the same viewer retention as of rn

>>93049299
Yeah, if you ignore the string of consistent graduations including newest one where the talent specified the management is the sole reason they are quitting, management is good

>>93049620
>>>paid trips to weebland six times a year
this is fiction and does not happen. they only pay when they demand you do a work thing in the studio or for a concert. they do not pay for a single optional thing, like 3d lives.

>>93062629
>Ina gets nothing for it.
Management has something that Ina wants or she wouldn't go this far to run damage control for them. While those statements were basic Hololive talking points it still looks bad for her to do this only 2 days after Fauna's graduation.

>>93066067
Fuck off I trust my dope over the green whore

>>93065856
That's what her fans were saying when they said she killed hololive

>>93066747
Ina literally returned from another radio silent break only a few weeks ago. Considering the recent work visa "mistake" there is zero chance that she would do anything to piss off management. Hololive is using the EN girls for damage control and your foolish if you aren't taking their statements with a grain of salt.

>>93068989
>Kiara still talks mad shit
>Nothing happens to her
>Somehow Ina is too scared of management to disobey them
Sounds like Ina's a pussy

>>93065873
>Believing the green whore after she got magged

>>93069465
Ina doesn't like rocking the boat and while I don't think she would repeat anything that is completely false she was definitely asked by management to run damage control. Hololive isn't that different from Nijisanji and both companies want to convince fans that everything is great regardless of how much of a shit fight is going on behind the scenes.

lol retards hating on Fauna now
fuck you holoshitters

>>93070986
Sorry sapkek but my Ina isn't interacting with the mag. I trust her.

>>93046223
>Cover allows the talents to stay at the studio while searching for a home, and Biboo’s manager helped her find one
>HoloEN is so spread out that a US studio would be just as inconvenient as the Japanese one for most of them
>not getting multiple copyright strikes from the publishers isn’t a matter of advantage/disadvantage, it’s a matter of survival
>see the second point

so you guys just come on here and lie and make up false narratives huh

>>93057098
>f you're recording a bd/Anni live you need to pay for travel, hotel, the music, the choreography and the studio itself.
That is actually fucked up if true

>>93072453
Welcome to /VT/, anon. Hop off the catalog and just stick to your oshi's general if you plan on sticking around which I can't recommend on good consciousness

>>93073578
Generals are even worse since they attract the same types of retards that /vg/ does and most have a resident janny who bans you for slight wrongthink.

>>93046223
The fact she's bootlicking the corpo this hard not long after the visa fuckup happened is incredibly suspicious. Almost as if she's contractually required to say this stuff.

What the fuck is going on with Cover lately? All the graduations and the constant damage controlling seems like a bad premonition.

>>93046783
Commit suicide. Genuinely, please.

>>93046223
Phasefags really are delusional.

>>93073408
NTA, but yes and no. If you are travelling just for your personal projects (including birthday and anniversary), you are on your own. If you are travelling for official projects as well, however, they will cover your travelling and living expenses even after you finish the official stuffs until you leave.
That's why the girls usually stay really long in Japan (a month or even two) even though it wouldn't take that long to record official appearances. If you are travelling over for official stuffs, might as well get everything including personal projects done while Cover pays for your living expenses.
That's also why Kiara delayed her 3D recording in Nov. Her studio booking was up, but she'd have to pay for her travelling and living expenses if she went to JP then. She decided to delay it to the next time she goes to JP (in 2025) on official trip so she wouldn't need to care about those expenses

>>93073726
I like how all these posts about some invisible gun being pointed at Ina ignore how Kiara says whatever the fuck she wants

>>93072086
>Cover allows the talents to stay at the studio while searching for a home, and Biboo’s manager helped her find one
Bae has confirmed it is exorbitantly expensive, they charge rent at insane prices. It's no charity situation.

>>93074095
Retards just can't comprehend the idea that you can both love something and have issues with it at times.

>>93073726
>The fact she's bootlicking the corpo this hard not long after the visa fuckup happened is incredibly suspicious. Almost as if she's contractually required to say this stuff.
A combination of contract rules and Cover making it clear that Ina will have more delays and missing documents if she doesn't tell viewers that everything is great in Hololive. Several talents have run damage control for management but it's curious how much Ina has been doing that in recent weeks. Anyone with common sense will be taking this with a grain of salt.

>>93074095
Can you blame them? Everyone is on edge after the back to back graduations and the damage control speeches that followed.

>bootlicking is when you don’t destroy the thing I don’t like
The absolute state of those outside the garden.

>>93046223
oooh wait, so is this all a niji countdown deflection?

>>93075219
Niji is as good as dead, anon. We have better things to give a damn about... like whatever is happening in Cover.

>>93046223
>>Cover shouldn't provide housing that's stupid
Obviously not long term housing, but when a talent is being asked to come and work, there shouldn't be a scramble for them to find a place and worse have it be on their dime. All that does is add to the stress and cost of the trip.
>>Cover shouldn't build a US studio that would be way too expensive
Hard agree. Cover should still be reimbursing at least part of the flights the members are expected to take.
>>Perms have advantages, talents get opportunities when cover gets a good working relationship with publishers
Not really my concerns.
>>I'd rather travel and record in Japan
Not everyone can drop all their shit and just leave for Japan like Ina can. If Cover wants to run an international company they really need to take some of the financial burden off of the international talents.

>>93049231
I think the millionaire knows how money works chud

>>93046223
>Schizo overworking itself by making these threads and keeping them alive
Anon... Just go to sleep. Or watch your waifu idk.

>>93075558
yeah, big lottery winners are known for good finance management.

>>93075383
>like whatever is happening in Cover.
Streams and concerts?

I imagine there is some "fairness" involved here. It wouldn't be right to fly EN and ID to Japan constantly, pay for long term rooms, pay for food, transportation, and other stuff when the JP girls get none of that. They'd have to figure something out to keep it balanced. If they do have it figured out, they wouldn't make it public for numerous reasons.

>>93049050
It's a really retarded idea because it only takes one schizo discovering said place and posting it anywhere online for it to need to be evacuated ASAP and for COVER to take a loss by being forced to sell the entire thing.
It would be more profitable to make a Hololive-themed hotel or something but even then, landlord business is a whole other level of risk and investment not even Nijisanji dives into (unless it is Yachts, but that is just Riku being retarded).

>>93075681
Oh, he won the lottery on top of being a successful millionaire businessman? Good for him.

>>93049231
Man, my toaster can't run this. And I don't want to get Genshin for my phone either.

>>93075515
Pretty much mirrors my thoughts on it, though I'm a bit more concerned about the perms thing. The only reason that makes sense is in the narrow context of being a corpo vtuber. In essence, perms autism for holo talents is good because without them, they would get their channels obliterated like Mio nearly did.

And yeah, the US studio would be pretty dumb if you think about it, because talents would still have to travel long distances to get to it, most likely.

>>93050698
I think for once, antis were right. She's a lost cause.
No, it's not because she knows Shondo. That's an entirely different beast you idiots.

>>93049934
>minimal cultural differences (no issues finding food you like)
a canadian would be miserable in LA. minimum of $20 for a shitty burger.

>>93054041
>shittier studio
it doesn't have to be shittier considering hollywood is there. just partner with the thousands of mocap studios already there with much better tech.

>>93049934
Why do I have the feeling that the people talking about minimal cultural differences are the same people who think western culture is problematic and needs to be enriched by the wonders of the 3rd world

>>93046223
I understand the us studio not being worth it. They can't even fill their jp studio with appropriate skilled people.
The housing thing is the only one that bothers me. Did she mean like long term?

>>93075515
>Not everyone can drop all their shit and just leave for Japan like Ina can.
Cover should exclusively be hiring people who are regularly able to trave,l or permanently relocate, to Japan

>>93049287
there are people worldwide who dislike vtubing, including some groups (mostly in 5ch/sukikira) and streamers in japan who have been hostile to vtubers since 2018

>>93076000
She actually addressed this too and said it was considered but it's cheaper to fly people to Japan

>>93048465
1) Where are you going to even build it? America is massive and everyone is far apart from each other in EN.
2) Who the fuck is even going to use it?
3) How are they going to maintain it and the staff needed for it long term? Especially if it's going to be rarely used.

>>93076241
I suspect they screen people for willingness to travel to Japan and do their job after Council happened.

>>93050658
Ina has no stakes in this. She's well off even without hololive. The only reason she's even doing this is because she enjoys it. Quite literally her hobby.

>>93076618
1. Anywhere cheap enough to set it up properly. One part of having a 2nd location is about convenience, and yes it is convenient to swap an international flight of 16 hours down to a domestic flight of 2 hours.
2. Everyone that has no reason to go specifically to Japan but lives closer to the US location.
3. It won't be rarely used so that's a null point. Either it would have a small on-hand staff or more likely it would just be partnered with a company that already has the equipment and staff. You don't need to own a building to let your staff book a date and time to use it.

The main benefit of the entire concept is load, by the way. They already have too many talents for all of them to get to use the single studio enough, and they want to keep expanding. A 2nd location means that they can let talent do more projects and have shorter wait-lists, which ends up becoming profit.

>>93077078
>and they want to keep expanding.
Nope. Read Yagoos 2025 address where he explicitly states expanding was their biggest mistake and they will be scaling back in the coming year

>>93077200
Yagoo's word is worthless long-term. Shareholders demand growing and growing profit, this is a public company now. They're already trying to get back into China thanks to Kobo.

>>93077291
>le shareholders meme
Oh god >>93048640 was right

>>93077592
The company literally isn't in Yagoo's sole control anymore. I accept your concession that you have no argument against that.

Building a studio with trained staff and 3d/mocap specialists in a cheap place in the US is literally impossible

>>93050424
>It’s funny how…
>…I wonder
NIJISEETHE

>>93077078
one reason against this is that the vtuber industry in the west is hitting the celling.
They can't compete with normal streamers and probably never will be able to.
But you will have to crunch some numbers to come to that conclusion.

>>93077658
It still is. The majority shareholders are the same people who ran the company before it went public.

>>93077658
NTA, but
>Yagoo and his friends literally hold the majority of shares
>The company literally isn't in Yagoo's sole control anymore
Retard. It's not a coincidence that Yagoo was able to tell investors to fuck off (in more polite language) several times before without any worry when they suggested Cover to prioritize profits over the girls' benefits.

>>93078331
I guarantee he's some underage who heard the "shareholder" buzzword from twitter anticapitalists and thinks it means evil hooded men in a dark conference room hoarding billions of physical stacks of bills while controlling random companies from the shadows like this scene from Callisto Protocol

What's the chance of Ina knowing anti trying to use her as ammunition since visa thing? It's funny to see some of them either straight up calling her a bootlicker now or the le invisible gun as always which is funny because I remember them keep saying how Ina doesn't need Hololive because she got other gig unlike other Holos like Mori etc.

>>93076937
>Ina has no stakes in this. She's well off even without hololive.
Every talent that signed up for Hololive is doing it for the money with no exceptions. If they were only doing this for a hobby they would have stayed indie vtubers. That doesn't mean they would do something horrible like smearing their coworkers but management has plenty of ways of twisting their arms to run general damage control. Ina was telling fans that everything in Hololive is great even after 2 months of being unable to stream because they "forgot" to renew her work visa. I am skeptical that she randomly decided to wake up today with the idea to spend half an hour defending management. Also there were several times that she described it as her job and that is why she has to follow the rules:

https://youtu.be/xHPDSpTfnUw?t=8290

>>93075705
...as well as management autism leading to graduations and mass damage controlling.

>>93079030
TLDR
>Don't trust anyone but me, I swear I'm not an anti and a huge real fan of them and only want the best for them fr fr

>>93046223
Korean women are built to serve Japanese men

>>93079333
Based. Those Japanese men are me btw

>>93078781
It must be really easy to convince yourself that you're correct when you never have to actually form an argument or thought and can merely spout ad hominems and straw men all day long.

shareholders want to get into a company, raise the share value, and get out for profit. you see it in literally every public company. short term gains get priority over long term sustainability or any other factor. but keep living in your bubble if that helps you cope.

>>93079286
>le anti
dumbass
the level of corpo bootlicking ina did in that stream is sus especially after the visa mess. coping is not going to change that

>>93079470
Did you just ignore the post that directly invalidates this claim by pointing out the majority shareholders of Cover are the people who owned Cover before it went public?

>>93079571
The only one coping here is you because no one buys your stupid falseflag that's why you're lashing out at everyone calling them buzzwords, in reality not just Ina but anyone can unironically just quit if they actually think the company is no good. Just to be clear for underage retards like (You) by "no good" is something like black company unironically not just having pros and cons like in every job.

>>93062629
>in more ways than one
architect propaganda
she has shrunk considerably

>>93074095
it's /lig/, pay no mind

>>93079286
I am sure they have reasons for what they are doing but you need to stop worshipping Hololive and management has plenty of employees that are paid to defend them. After the mysterious "health" breaks with Ina losing her work phone for 3 months and Gura going radio silent for 2 months I take everything with a grain of salt. The recent graduations are because management refused to compromise so it's amusing to make the argument that fans should trust Cover.

>>93077078
The ones that want studio time are the ones already living in Japan. You're essentially left with what? Gura? She's basically half dead already. Let's look at all the other North American/Canadian ENs:
>Ina
would rather go to Japan
>Kronii
would rather go to Japan + for her nihongo reps
>Mumei
rarely does 3D content, or content at all these days same as Gura
>Shiori & Nerissa
I could see them possibly using it, but Advent typically does full gen 3D stuff when possible, and the majority of them still would rather use the JP studio
>Gigi
Would rather go to Japan.

>>93079030
>If they were only doing this for a hobby they would have stayed indie vtubers
Ina's hobby isn't becoming a vtuber, but to become a holo member and all the idol related things that come with it.

>>93080818
Gigi cant move to Japan. Her mom would get raped by fuckboys and chads constantly without her supervision

>>93080913
Not move. This is regarding flying there to do studio work temporarily.

>>93050533
She's not your friend

>>93079030
>everything in Hololive is great even after 2 months of being unable to stream because they "forgot" to renew her work visa
Those aren't mutually exclusive

>>93080617
>I take everything with a grain of salt
Let me translate it
>I don't trust anyone including the talent, only the voices in my head and it tells me there must be something wrong it must be a huge conspiracy
Makes me remember what Pekora, Miko etc recently said about overly worried "fans" and told chat to not overly worried because they (the talents) know better than people who don't even work there and tell their fans to trust their judgment and so long they still stay it means they think the company is good enough for them to keep working there otherwise they would just quit, so how do you think about that? Or you do think they got magic spell NDA that can prevent them to quit, retard-chama?

>>93081401
Management has made enough "mistakes" with Ina over years that I have reason to be skeptical. They lost her work visa documents once they could easily do it again.

>>93081413
>Makes me remember what Pekora, Miko etc recently said about overly worried "fans" and told chat to not overly worried because they (the talents) know better than people who don't even work there
Anon you are missing the fact they are Hololive employees under a strict NDA. They can be fired and sued for defamation if they make any negative statements about their employer. Not a shock they will tell viewers they love the direction of Hololive but the recent graduations indicate that not all of them really believe that.

>>93046223
>>93046783
>least obvious samefag sister trying to anti Ina of all ppl
fuck off

>>93082062
>sued for defamation if they make any negative statements about their employer
Let me guess, hurr durr Japanese law you can get sued even if it's true, doesn't stop ex-nijisaji. You retards don't know shit about NDA you can force people to lie with NDA, maybe get a job that's not flipping burger first

>>93049593
>calling other bootlicker
Also
>sucking on fishman cock on every tweet and youtube comments
Phasecuck truly is the most cancerous fanbase.

>>93066055
???
We all know those like 2 years ago, birthday and anniversary are not mandatory.

>>93082062
That not how NDA work retard, it specifically to stop leaking technology, company secret and other contract dealing. Saying they are treating them like shit which are 99% exclusively coming from nijisanij is pretty apparent. We all seen how much kiara shit on management and nothing happen. Most of it come down from incompetence than malice.
It's funny you using NDA and yet exniji especially JP like gundou constantly shit on them and nothing happen.

>>93049847
Based bootlicker, we love MSM talents management from the US

>>93046223
Why are both the Koreans such simps for Japanese management? They are disgracing their ancestors.