/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>92598716
>any reason

yeah busy

>>92598716
They sided with Kronii.

Mumei is fixing to graduate herself and the other girls have made it clear they side with management over Fauna

Because she is an ungrateful bitch

>>92598909
lol kronii, bad choice
law of vtuber,
kronii or mori = always the bad choice

>>92598716
Mumei tweeted about it but couldn't make it in time. The rest of them don't care.

>>92598716
It's extremely odd. Even more if you add in that only a single one of her gen had a 1 on 1 collab with her

I know I won't bother to watch any Kronii, Bae, or IRyS from now on. They could throw a massive 3D concert going away party this week and I wouldn't give a shit. Phoney genmates.

>>92598716
>Isn't this odd?
STOP NOTICING THINGS

THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HOLOLIVE EN

>>92601912
If I had to share a gen with assholes like bae and kronii I'd wanna leave too

>>92603330
Ever considered that it’s Fauna in the wrong to have multiple people against her?

>>92603330
IRyS isn't so bad, since she never really had a relationship with Fauna to begin with, and people have been making jokes about her being on the JP side of things for a long time now.

Bae and Kronii have been downright bizarre though; it doesn't matter what they think of Fauna personally, they should be respecting the hustle. Like, no way Kiara cares about Fauna one way or the other, but she at least tries to pretend she does.

Bae and Kronii though? It's like they're going, "it's fine, everything's fine, THE SHIP IS NOT SINKING and is DEFINITELY NOT ON FIRE! Guys why are you panicking there aren't any problems."

I really don't see how they come out better for it...

>>92603330
sister, you're acting like they're elira, millie and enna.
get a fucking grip.

>>92604280
Nine people helped finish her Minecraft tree today and it could have been eleven

>>92604280
Pro Fauna:
Gura
Mori
Kiara
Shiori
Rissa
FWMC
Biboo
ERB
CC
GG
Raora

Disdain Fauna:
Bae
Kronii

Neutral:
Ina
IRyS

You don't know how to count, Anon?

>>92604527
Moom?

>>92598909
>>92602703
What's the QRD of "sided with Kronii"? I barely pay attention here nowadays.

>>92604280
Is anyone even against anyone?
The only thing I've seen regarding this is schizo rrats because she had disagreements with management.

>>92598716

We keep getting threads asking this question. Have you reached a conclusion?

>>92604688
No one knows. It just seems like Kronii became sour over Fauna a while ago for some reason.

>>92604280
Ever consider that the entire rest of EN doesn’t seem to have any problem with Fauna? Mori, Kiara, and Gura have been working with her for just as long, and they’ve all been supportive.

>>92604527
do they have more points considering they're her genmates and thus have more contact with her

>>92604280
Nope. 3/5 of the original gen have quit.
Sana - Graduated
Fauna - Graduating
Mumei - stopped streaming
That puts Bae and Kronii in the minority.

>>92604633
yeah goes without saying tho

>>92604633
Mumei is pro-fauna, she lamented on Twitter that she got home too late to help with the tree.

>>92604633
Yeah, I forgot her because she's too autistic for me and doesn't stream much nowadays. But she's also in "Pro Fauna".

>>92604527
standing myth minus gura seems neutral

>>92604692
Kronii absolutely has a beef with her
Whatever other members including Bae think of her, it's a whole different thing with Kronii

>>92604864
No because Kronii is literally batshit crazy, and Bae’s moral compass is, let’s just say very “Chinese”, given her decisions in her Nier playthrough.

>>92605127
>Bae’s moral compass is, let’s just say very “Chinese”, given her decisions in her Nier playthrough.
Bae is a Japanese born Australian native tho

>>92604527
Mori is the Elira of holoEN

>>92604750
The conclusion is that Bae and Kronii are likely the real reason Fauna is graduating.

>>92598716
Why is it odd?
The only ones who are there either got senpai taxed or don't know her well enough and feel sorry for her.

>>92605178
>>>>>

>>92598716
maybe they just don't like to play minecraft

>>92604527
Move Ina to slightly pro-Fauna. They're both shrinking violets who were too shy to ever talk to each other but redirected to each other 3x each this month.

>>92604527
>Mori
Strange how she's suddenly one of the good guys when you lot kept shitting up the board calling her a bootlicker just a week ago

>>92605247
>change means growth
Yeah and growth can be bad Bae you dumb bitch

>>92598716
none of the girls want saplings and their idiotic uuuuu mama crap in their chat

>>92605464
she's always been a company girl. too bad public companies seek endless growth, like a cancer.

>>92605447
it depends on how you see it. If you agree with Kronii and Bae, she's a bootlicker. If you agree with Fauna, she is still one but she's being polite about it.

Fauna torpedoed multiple sponsorships for her gen because cat hort

>>92605178
Nah, she has said so herself: she's born and raised in Australia. First generation Australian from Chinese parents.

But let me tell you this as someone who has been living in Australia for over 10 years: there are many suburbs, communities and schools that are "100% Chinese" and their values and culture are closer to China/Hong Kong ones than Aussie ones.

>>92598716
>white
>female
>vegan
the trifecta of being annoying and her coworkers have had to deal with her for 3 years

>>92604527
Update the civil war pic

>>92602958
Always so busy with her ??.

It still amazes me that grown men think colleagues who live 5000 miles apart are close friends.

>>92606236
B-but they played video games together several times!

>>92603330
Yeah, because saplings watch Bae that often... or not

>>92606319
The fuck am I even looking at

>>92606363
Viewers / chatters overlap on one of Bae's gaming stream (i.e: 46.4% of Bae's chatters also participated in one of Biboo's streams within a month from that streams).
The fact that Fauna wasn't even on that list showed that few people who watched Fauna (or more accurately, participated in Fauna's chat) also watched Bae

>>92606236
>>92606296
"Friends", literally no one is asking for this.

All Bae and Kronii had to do is be professional and say something like:
> It’s unfortunate that Fauna is leaving, but it’s her choice, and I wish her the best in her future endeavors. As for me, I’m happy in Hololive and not planning to leave.

Then show up at least 30 mins for special streams like the World Tree today.

You don't have to be friends to do any of these things, just be professional.

>>92606637
>All Bae and Kronii had to do is be professional and say something like:
They did and got called bootlickers.
Kronii notably didn't say Fauna's name, however.

>>92598716
Kronii only works 2 hours per day and only works evening hours.
IRyS lives in Japan.
Mumei is supposedly studying, which somehow cripples her from doing anything else.
Bae lives in Japan.

>>92606637
>It’s unfortunate that Fauna is leaving, but it’s her choice, and I wish her the best in her future endeavors. As for me, I’m happy in Hololive and not planning to leave.
They did say this. You drama queens called them bootlickers.

>>92606702
Kronii didn't.

>>92606699
>Kronii only works 2 hours per day and only works evening hours.
Funny how nobody ever looks at the full schedule or even looks as stream length.

>>92606771
She did, but she went out of her way to not say her name.
This is old news.

>>92606319
How old is this? This is August 2024 data.

https://vrabi.net/labo/share-graph

>>92606808
Saying the name would have been common courtesy. Unless, of course, you hate the other person so much that don't want to do it.

>>92606842
That was Nier stream from 21 Oct

>>92606899
Kronii might be completely justified for the way she feels, but refusing to say her name is just so fucking childish and only confirms the rrat. For someone who wants to be an actor it's pretty ridiculous she can't pretend to care for 2 hours a month.

>>92606899
Yeah?
At this point, nobody is left to argue against Kronii's disdain for Fauna. All that remains is figuring out what Fauna did to trigger her.

>>92598716
Mumei did a 1 on 1 collab with her at least, and they have that song too. Mumei is white, Fauna is white. The rest are asians, 2 of which are in Japan with one being half-jap and the other being whatever the fuck pretending to be japanese, then one korean. Figure out why they don't like the popular white girl.

>>92598716
>Ruined their chance for a full gen concert
>Overshadowed the musical with her impending graduation
>Didn't even tell other members about her announcement until after the fact
>Announced her graduation in vague manner that led to all sorts of rrats
>Couldn't stay for just a few months like other graduated members so that her busy genmates have time to sort their feelings and schedule out
Hmm, yeah, odd. Why are some of them unhappy?

>>92605534
Which is good, because worst case scenario she leaves and 13-16000 actual stream watchers go with her, depending on how fast she sets up and whether or not her setup actually fucking works (roingus).

>>92606637
I don't even think of Advent/Justice as a group of friends. They are just pro entertainers. Let's see if they can keep it up for 3+ years at least.

>>92607117
Mumei is more popular and she's not targetted by any of them. On the contrary, Kronii hangs out with her.

>>92607135
>>Overshadowed the musical with her impending graduation
anon it was literally called broken promise the fuck did you think it meant?

>>92607222
She doesn't have 13-16k stream watchers. Her usual average viewership before graduation announcement was around 8-10k, and that included other girls' fans
Realistically, you will be looking at around 6-7k in the long run, and a notable part of those will still be watching other Holos, too

>>92598716
Some of them have work tomorrow, others have work again next week. It's not like colleagues are friends or anything. People leave and everyone always says yeah keep in touch, but they just move on.

>>92607283
You know they recorded that before Fauna decided to graduate, right?

>>92598716
#1 reason is that these girls are not friends. they use each other for content and clips. it's rare but odds are they did not know one another before this job. expecting them to be friendly off camera is asking a lot.

how many people at your work are you friends with just because you work together? would you be friends with an alcoholic if you dont drink? would you be close to someone who eats animals if youre a vegan because you dont want animals to suffer?

bae and kronii are too busy with their lives to make time for someone who they work with when they havent really streamed together for 2 years.

Even fuwamoco stream much less with advent now that they're in japan and reached their 1m goal. Advent collabs used to be a weekly thing, now it's so rare to see them all in one room together.

>>92607344
This was october before the graduation announcement.

>>92606637
There were already multiple threads calling them
>bootlickers
>toxic careerists
>corpo slaves
>Management's pets
The moment they made their professional response, did you just wake up from a coma?

>>92607344
She averaged 12k viewers in Nov before the announcement.
6k-7k on YouTube for an indie is also very good

>>92607430
That doesn't look like a 13-16k average CCV to me? She got 9,769 average CCV in Oct

>>92606678
>>92606702
>>92607450
They got called bootlickers because they said "uhh, actually, management good, Fauna is wrong", you fucking retards.

>>92607475
I didn't say her numbers weren't good, but it's not to the extent the other anon said
HoloEN isn't going to lose 13-16k viewers just because Fauna graduates (in amicable terms, if I might say).

>>92607679
But they didn't say that and heck, Fauna didn't say "management bad" either. She only said she had disagreement(s) with them which doesn't necessarily mean any party was at fault

>>92607741
Eh, I'm not actually a numberfag so I was pulling numbers out of my ass.
The idea is the same though. Her audience consistently watches her streams, and the nightmare scenario would be if all of them cut ties with Holo to follow her (they won't and will likely continue to watch both).

>>92605127
and very australian. very australian to play through nier automata and end it saying people are weak and pathetic if they can't toughen up because they're snowflakes.
she's pretty much the worst of both cultures. probably a queen bee behind the scenes. it's very likely not a coincidence that most of en has nothing to do with her.

>>92605464
>>92605548
>>92607997
and then you wonder why Bae hates Fauna and her schzo fanbase

>>92607475
>on YouTube
She's probably going to stream on Twitch desu, that's where her indie friends like Shondo are. Could maybe try to double dip? But I doubt it.

>>92608088
Not even a threadreader. Grim levels of tourism

>>92608193
That's all just theory shit. Which granted, is also what I'm doing, but it makes sense she'd go to twitch and not YT.

>>92607679
At least watch clips before coming to /vt/ if you don't have time for streams
>>92607806
Which everyone knows means management is bad because that has been the case long before HoloEN became a thing and can be easily seen now with her recent song taking over a year to be released and Kronii having her fair share of trouble.

>>92608309
>Everyone
You meant "dramafags"

>>92608309
Yeah, would've been nice if Fauna did even the slightest thing to tardwrangle her fanbase now wouldn't it?

>>92606959
>>92606972
Guys, it's not that complicated. Fauna is your typical college "educated" American white woman who's a lifelong vegan (meaning she's most likely from upper middle class). Kronii is a Canadian of Korean descent that is so far removed from her family's culture that she's essentially a Canadian white woman trapped inside a Korean woman's body (but still carries a Korean's unhealthy obsession with beauty and their pettiness). They are like oil and water; they will never mix and were NEVER going to get along.

>>92607806
>>92608334
She literally isn't allowed to say "management bad" you fucking idiot. They could potentially take her to court for doing so if it's part of her contract and even if it's NOT part of her contract they could easily pull the plug on her and force graduate her before the date she wanted.

>>92607869
People will follow them as long as Mumei might show up, at least: if Mumei leaves or goes on hiatus, then watching Kronii, IRyS, and Bae trying to have a collab is just gonna be depressing.

Even watching Advent just coasting along on stream while random Bao Baos rattle off would be better than watching something outright lifeless.

>>92608382
>Nijinigger projection

>>92608382
So... nijinigger or deranged sapling?
Trick question, there's no difference

>>92608389
It's depressing even with Fauna and Mumei still around
>>92608382
>and even if it's NOT part of her contract they could easily pull the plug on her and force graduate her before the date she wanted.
That would destroy their reputation harder than anything she can say.
If not even Rushia of all people (who was willing to leak info and got fired over it on top of being genuinely insane) has anything of note to say about Cover, then there isn't.

>>92608475
>>92608496
>nijinigger
Fuck that black company. Cover is shit but niji is about 8 billion times worse.

>>92608631
Funny that sounds just like what a nijinigger would say

>>92608276
She's likely going to simulcast or something iirc. She's started making shitpost youtube videos
Switching to twitch would probably be the best, but simulcasting would likely be fine too if she's willing to put in the work.

>>92608880
>She's started making shitpost youtube videos
To be fair you can't really make those on twitch. There's a reason literally every twitch vtuber also has a YouTube and it's not just for VODs.

>>92598716
They didn't build any of it in the first place why would they want to force their way in? Why the hell are FWMC there? Or Mori? Or any of them? Why couldn't this just be a nice thing Fauna did herself? Minecraft was her best solo content and she didnt get to do it for a month. Ame was the only person that belonged.

>>92609728
well if the rrat that she's been talking to Doki since a bit before graduation is true, then she likely knows about Doki's philosophy that simulcasting is a trap that's very difficult to make work unless you have actual ADHD and a very fast reading speed.
She'll likely either be full twitch, full youtube, or do what dooby does and swap whichever one she's on depending on the content she's doing with notifications on which one she's going to that day. (which is probably not smart, but hey it's an option.)
She's absolutely large enough that full youtube is a viable option for her, but she also seems like exactly the kind of person who'd love to do chat interaction shit with twitch.

>>92605178
>Japanese born Australian native
Wait, you actually think Bae is a white girl that was born in Japan? Or were you using native to mean you think she's an Abbo?

>>92609964
Because it's used as a goodbye stream you fucking mong. They're all there to play nice (except her own genmates).
She could have made this a solo stream. She could have streamed this game more last month. She didn't. Don't know what you're pissy about, the bitch has agency.

>>92610264
Neither. She has Asian parents but was born in Australia.

>>92610111
Doki likes the regimented nature of youtube streaming, while Dooby dislikes it (sasuga inventor of schedules).
Doki streams variety to youtube and guerilla rank grind slop to twitch. If notFauna's been talking to Doki she'll also have been told to remain on youtube just like Doki herself and Mint did. Simple logic: you don't switch platforms (i.e. switch cultures) if you hope to keep your audience.

>>92610111
>>92610458
I find it much more believable she will have taken advice from Shondo rather than Doki. We know she's already good friends with her after all and correct me if I'm wrong, but I wasn't aware of any meaningful friendship between her and Doki.

>>92598716
Kronii WON
Fauna LOST

>>92610852
notFauna and Doki followed each other on twitter two weeks before the graduation announcement. It's not much, but Doki is ridiculously well-connected and many chuubas go to her for advice. Besides, it's like their first ever public interaction.

>>92598716
Who(re)?

>>92611095
uh oh jpcucky seething

>>92610264
>Bae siphons gas from a tank due to her Abbo heritage
>Chinese take strays and it gets assumed to be asian behavior instead
It's hard being yellow...

>>92611022
>>92610852
on top of this, only 3 holo owned (female) chuubas have ever addressed or interacted with her in any way, and it was mostly on twitter.
Ollie in particular followed her on twitter almost immediately and went crazy with happiness when she saw the tomato cameo in Shinkansen 0. (She's staying, but not even management can stop her from simping. She hasn't mentioned her since, though she's still following.)
Ame and Fauna both only followed Doki 2 weeks or so before graduation announcement, with Ame sending her a bunch of hearts in response to a goodbye tweet right before leaving.
Doki followed all 3 of them almost immediately after graduation. Unless they were secret discord buddies (which is possible), Fauna and Ame likely only reached out when they followed her.

Oh and for an extra thing, Doki confirmed at a con when a dumbgoon asked her about Dooby that Dooby was the one that messaged her first, and that she was shocked and starstruck that Dooby would even reach out to her.

>>92608334
To be fair, making her announcement right after Chloe announced she’s leaving for health reasons does unintentionally make it look worse on Cover staff than anyone involved actually intended it to be. Dramafags are the ones still harping on it though.

>>92607426
Is this just a schizoid fanfic about what you imagine people at work being like or are things that fire where you live?
I'm friendly with literally everyone at my work and actual friends with a third (small team).
The order goes Friends>Friendly>Professional>Indifferent.
Bae is on the lowest level of this ladder and kronii managed to go even deeper into "passive aggressive"/spiteful territory. Short of being openly hostile, this is as negative as you can reasonably be given the context.
My rrat is that kronii is mad because she's mentally ill and the rat is annoyed because she sees it as a hindrance for her career. I don't think bae is malicious, just selfish. Kronii however is malicious, as far as you can assign blame to mental illness I suppose.

>>92612204
on top of that, both of them were announced right before the holidays and ran over them.
You'd think Chloe at least would want to do it afterwards since she'll have a month left in 2025, but it feels almost intentional.

oh wait nevermind. I just realized they're timed around the financial quarters. It just ended right before both announcements.

>>92612420
Less that and more that they were announcing the Holofes lineups and didn’t want to have to dodge explaining why Chloe and Fauna aren’t going to be there for a whole month.

>>92605024
Gura is not neutral, she made it clear in her latest members stream

She was just not in a good spirits on her latest Fauna collab, but she is on her side

>>92605178
she has Chinese heritage, details were on that one japanese website with all PL rrats

>>92605247
fuck off, Mori did damage control only way later, not immediately when graduation was announced. And she was much more neutral, she didn't just make it about herself.

Also she then endorced subbing to Fauna for 1M - so she is better genmate than actual genmates, thankyouverymuch.

>>92612626
Talk is cheap. Anyone who doesn't quit with Fauna or raise hell over it isn't truly on her side

>>92606699
So Fauna quit due to timezone issues?

>>92605260
feeling sorry is not a bad thing, retard. It's called being a normal and empathetic human.
A trait apparently absent in her genmates, except Mumei who said she wanted to be there but got home too late.

>>92612735
Wash your feet.

>>92607806
that practically means that management is bad. Bad at their job of finding ways of communication and cooperation. It is literally what they list in their Skills in CV, its their fucking job to solve disagreements.

>>92609964
are you retarded? She did Minecraft mondays every week, and every week Advent or Justice joined and helped her.

>>92612735
No one knows why she quit in the first place.

>>92612906
It’s a generic reason given to avoid giving further details, like “creative differences”, nothing more.

>>92606150
I think she just took the gurapill and is 'semi retarded' now.

>>92613106
Creative differences is actually a common reason to quit a production but it's usually more specific and dramatic.

>>92612792
IRyS cried for Ryan Gosling in Blade Runner
Checkmate, atheist

>>92607426
1. Gura and Kronii knew each other before, that is confirmed by their Bitch Lasagna covers (comments section).
Mumei and Fauna knew each other before, too, I believe. Gura and Ame is not directly confirmed but possibly, as well.


2. More than you can imagine, actually. At several previous works I had multiple friends, granted we were friends only for so long because I am an antisocial cuck and prefer to stay at home mostly. But even my introvert ass was able to become friends at my bitch ass software development jobs.

3. Fauna is graduating in few days - I think it can justify making some time for a fucking one hour. No one even asks them to stream, just tune in and be there.
At my jobs we never ignored the goodbye parties for people that were leaving. Somebody may be ther only symbolically, leaving after an hour or so (because children etc) but no one just outright ignored teammates.

4. Yes, we know that Fuwamoco have no shame and do not care about their genmates.

>>92613106
Ame has given generic reason. Disagreements with management is not that generic, actually.

If I tell on an interview that I left previous company because of that - it can raise questions.
Neutral answer is "want to pursue some other goals in future"

>>92612420
no, they are timed to announcement of Holofest 2025 - Fauna and Chloe are not there, so announcing graduation any later than concert lineup would not be possible.

Bae and Irys are obviously very dedicated to her idol careers and Kronii has been taking that part seriously lately. So it would make sense for them to be upset about a genmate leaving and further weakening the unit. Like they are basically a trio now since Mumei is always busy studying.

>>92613427
Disagreement is a neutral term. People here are spinning it negatively because they want to see something negative.

>>92598716
they dont buy the jp trips hort bullshit

>>92613710
The easiest explanation is that managment became more restrictive and so Ame and Fauna just didn't like that while streaming. Whatever is going on with Kronii is a different issue.

>>92598716
Because Mumei just enjoyers

>>92613779
Yeah, that’s not inherently a negative thing, disagreements happen and sometimes neither side is willing to back down. Considering how Kronii broke down over Ame leaving, she might just be trying to avoid facing the emotional pain of losing another genmate after Sana and another HoloEN member so soon after Ame.

>>92613566
This is also what I think is probably the reason why Promise is avoiding her(sans Mumei). They have a chip on their shoulder being the first gen to have lost 2 members and there's no way to portray that as a positive.

>>92604924
Moom is a good person, among a lot of snakes.

>>92605178
She spoke Cantonese in her fucking stream before do you even watch streams man?

>>92607135
>Ruined their chance for a full gen concert
Musical was literally that.
>Overshadowed the musical with her impending graduation
She was likely rushed to announce graduation because Cover wanted it out before FES announcement. That would explain the timing of Chloe and Fauna announcements happening at the same time.
>Didn't even tell other members about her announcement until after the fact
Everybody knew months in advance.
>Announced her graduation in vague manner that led to all sorts of rrats
She literally had script, must have been approved by management, reasons are ALWAYS vague, and I don't see how "disagreement with management" is much different from "creative differences"
>Couldn't stay for just a few months like other graduated members so that her busy genmates have time to sort their feelings and schedule out
Again, everybody knew, Ame had shorter graduation tour too.

Every single of your points is wrong, impressive.

>>92614597
Being the only gen to have lost 2 members, that might be less “chip on their shoulder” and more “gaping emotional wound they don’t want to address.”

>>92607390
>cope
Sure they did...

>>92613313
Fuwamoco very much care about their genmates. They have had more off-collabs with their genmates in 1 year than Promise has had its whole time together.

>>92614823
Thankfully if I've learned one thing from therapy it's that avoidance is always great and never has any negative repercussions such as making things worse or resulting in massive regret down the line.

>>92604280
>there have never been multiple bad people in one company

>>92616953
Never said it was the right call to make, just that it’s not necessarily malicious.

>>92598716
Not really. Kronii won't talk to her. Mumei doesn't stream. Irys doesn't really do any large collabs. I don't care enough about Bae to keep up with what she's doing. I think it's more like what happened to Myth.

>>92598716
I don't why you'd expect them to help with something. It was always Fauna's project and Fauna's project alone.

If I spent years building a gunpla and suddenly moved house, i wouldn't expect my neighbours to take time out of their day to help me build it.

>>92619706
Least dishonest framing of why people are upset.
Kek.

>>92607426
They have to at least pretent they are all in a big family.

>>92604280
Ok kronii. Kill yourself spiteful bitch.

Why didn't she get the afiliated route?

What a fucking resenting bitch.

>Bae = I'm too busy to do collabs.

KEK!!!!!!!!!

>>92622280
The clique is real...

>>92623617
It's the Asian clique thing isn't it...

It doesn't really have to be that the other Promise members have something against Fauna. It could be just them thinking that her reason for quitting is dumb, or simply siding with the company during a beef between Holo and Fauna.

>>92612667
Or you could watch stream. Bae speaks cantonese

>>92625980
It's pretty clear that Kronii, Bae and possible IRyS do have something against Fauna.
And when 75% of your gen is against you then you probably fucked something up.

>>92625980
Stupid logic; that means the vast majority of EN would be reprimanded, including people with no issues with management like Mori.
>but they're friends or expected to be friends
Could have fooled me. I always appreciated how much Council bantered well with each other and thought their group dynamic has been better than Myth since day 1. They seem the friendliest senpai since Advent and Justice usually interact with them rather than Myth. But 8 or so months ago something crawled up Kronii's ass and now even pretending Fauna exists is egregious to her.
>B-but Bae and IRyS are just busy, and they were never that close...
Cope.
Deciding to not make time for someone leaving the company, a genmate of all things, is a shitty look. And no excuse fans come up with will change the simple truth that any working adult makes time for the things and people they care about. They clearly don't care Fauna is leaving. Keep that same energy and don't show up on the 3rd pretending you give a shit all of a sudden.

>>92629348
They wanted her to move to Japan too, disregarding her own feelings about it, just to boost their own value as a gen.

>>92629847
If it was just Kronii then the others in Promise wouldn't be acting this way.
Seeing as we have no other evidence to what happened I have to assume it is Fauna's fault in the first place.

>>92630037
>Kronii stopped talking to her because she wouldn't move to Japan.
You sure are retarded

When was the last time Fauna and Kronii talked on stream? They were both in Cece's xmas thing but I'm pretty sure they never spoke there. Definitely weird that her own genmates basically ignored her all graduation month.

>>92630201
Then why is Mumei clearly taking her side? Why is the rest of EN supporting her till the end? Why is she getting support from ID and JP that are closer to her? It might be a shock, but... maybe Kronii and Bae are in the wrong, with IRyS taking their side just for her own benefit, gasp.

>>92630201
It's Kronii who is being a cunt.
Bae and IRyS don't care for whatever reason.
And then the rest of EN cares or pretends to.
So no, I know Kronii is in the wrong, and what Bae and IRyS are doing is a shitty thing.

>>92621955
Silence your white mouth kronii, it’s only you and your pathetic clique that’s being a bitch. Nobody else

>>92629348
Retard, 90% of holo EN has absolutely no problem with Fauna. You really think a petty clique for 3 people is the majority?

>>92631931
If the group she has to work with has an issue with her, then yeah, there's something up. It's more likely along the lines of Fauna being a fuckup when it comes to getting corpo idol shit done, so it's not something that would affect other ENs. It also doesn't affect Mumei as much since Mumei will be out of uni soon and won't have a work gap. For Bae, IRyS, and Kronii, there's zero chance of them being able to be more successful in a normal job, so being dead weight is literally fucking with their livelihood.

>>92606926
>over 3 years ago
you should always update your sources before you post sister

>>92634644
Lmao yeah, what did Fauna let them down on? She already said she doesn't dislike the idolshit they do, retard.
Unlike a certain clock cunt, Fauna isn't driving a wedge between people or responsible for the death of one of the most beloved subunits: SNOT.

>>92607240
yeah Jap trained them well how to be Queens of CGDCT

>>92635006
>She doesn't dislike idolshit
>Doesn't do idolshit
Retard. Liking your job isn't the same as actually fucking showing up and doing it.

> Mumei loves Fauna
> Mumei loves Bae even more than Fauna
I really doubt that Bae and Fauna have any bad blood if Mumei adores both of them. Fauna was pretty supportive of Bae during the DOTA2 collab

God, I hope I win the stupid lottery for HoloFes

>>92607426
you've never had a job while
>>92613313
>>92612371
have held one

>>92625630
biboo???

>>92635358
So what did she fail to do then you lying cocksucker? What the fuck did she not do?

>>92607426
even though I'm not friends with most of the people I work with, if they kept saying hi and greeting me and being friendly and I blanked them forever for no reason and didnt go to any of their events that EVERYONE else in the company went to, everyone would rightly think I was being a cunt

>>92634644
Fauna is not the one actively ignoring one of her genmates because she can’t get over being a petty bitch and even pretended to a profession for 2 weeks.

Fauna’s works with others just has much, and she is closer with people outside her gen. Out of everyone in hololive. It’s only seemingly 3 people who have this problem.


It’s blatant the issue is with those 3 people, especially when fauna is seemingly trying to be nice with Kronii. And Kronii isn’t even attempting interact.

>>92637362
and again, even if you put Fauna aside, 2 of those people have been horrible to other people too

>>92608088
She removed her twitch and patreon links on her youtube channel and explicitly directed the sapling exodus there. It's clear that she knows that majority of her audience prefers youtube.

>>92637551
I newfag, which 2 of the hateful trio have been bitches to others?

>>92635760
>literally can't sing or dance after 3 years
she loves being an idol

>>92598716
they don't like her, next question

>>92631143
>1/3 means she's in the right
We don't know the details but 2/3 sure sounds larger than 1/3.
If it was just a private matter between Fauna and Kronii then they could have at least shown up, showing up to a collab of your graduating genmate is not really taking sides, it's expected.
Not doing so is pretty telling.

>>92637772
Kronii and Bae, dunno why IRyS is siding with them besides pragmatism

>>92635760
> What the fuck did she not do?
Wanting to travel to JP and stay there a month (or two) each time for recordings
NTA (and he likely was a shitposter), but people have pointed out many times that even though Fauna said she still wanted to be an idol, it was moot if she didn’t want to visit and stay in JP a few times a year and a few weeks / months each time. You can’t be an idol in Hololive without staying in JP, after all.

>>92637362
>pretended to a profession
Bae and IRyS calling in to Fauna later mindbroke this cuck so hard he can't even run his ESL seethe through grammarly KEKAROO

>>92631227
>I hate Kronii so she must be in the wrong
>Everyone else taking her side is also in the wrong
That's a nice rrat. Unfortunately no matter how hard you try Fauna still can't be your friend.

>>92602703
Mori sided with Fauna, so is she also the bad choice?

>>92637031
And yet it looks like the other coworkers don't think so.

>>92598716
>Bae is going to wake up early tomorrow and will wake IRyS up while she is at it to call Fauna + Moom and wish them HNY
>Both of them are drunk, will sleep around 3AM and likely will get hangover tomorrow after only 5 hours of sleep
I-I thought Bae supposedly hated Fauna?

>>92631143
Mumei is good to both Kronii and Fauna. She's just a nice person that doesn't have as much skin in the idol game. The fact that Kronii isn't cutting Mumei or GG off over being close with Fauna shows that Kronii wouldn't go after other people just fir siding with Fauna.

>>92638088
>>92638470
OH NO NO NO NO
DISCORDSISTERS WE GOT TOO COCKY

>>92638088
>“Hey, Promise to want to spend like 20 mins on your Genmates multi year project along with several other member of EN”
>No thanks I’m busy, I’ve got overlapping streams to do

You’re a fucking retard, grammarfag

>>92638569
BVTM ESL cuck seethe rumao

>>92638038
That's fair. She joined HoloEN, not JP.

>>92598909
fuck you

>>92638138
What I feel or think about Kronii is irrelevant. It's 3 people vs everyone else. It's her avoiding Fauna even when Fauna tries to talk with her.
Cope all you want, but people are realizing more than being a teehee girlfailure, clock woman is a cunt

>>92638667
Fauna stating “we’re not friends” mindbroke this loser so bad all he can do it chat shit with no substance

>>92638569
>20 minutes
No one is dropping into a stream to help with a project only for 20 minutes before leaving. It would have been pointless. Either they fully commit to those entire 2+ hours streams, or just not join them at all

>>92639143
except a number of holomems did just that.... someone talking shit without watching streams here lol.

>>92639317
Show me any who joined Fauna MC stream to help with the tree only for dozens minutes before leaving for their streams. Go ahead

>>92639143
Liteally just drop in VC and say "Hi" you autistic tard.

>>92639493
>liteally
It's so funny watching this monkey breakdown in real time since the call in confirmation

>>92639454
https://www.youtube.com/live/nu0m8saCjBs?si=vDQlz5QJ2ulLwGB0
CC dipped in and out, staying for about 30 mins. 1:43-2-18
Fucking retards, watch some streams

>>92639807
Wrong anon you fucking maggot. That’s not me.

>>92639919
sure it's not retard

>>92640016
If you all have is to sit here and point out grammar then you should end your miserable existence. At least raise a valid pioint, fucking anything

>>92639454
https://youtu.be/nu0m8saCjBs
Mori joins at 37m and leaves at 57m

>>92604688
Retarded /vt/ rrat that has no evidence and makes no sense.

>>92640125
>pioint
KEKAROOOOOOO

>3 years later
>still surprised Council is a shit gen

>>92640243
>>92592604

>>92640716
Biboo, GG and CC are carrying Hololive hard for me now. If it was just Myth and Promise, then I think I would be done with Hololive after Fauna leaves. I'd just watch the occasional Mori stream when she plays something I like or has a live/karaoke.

>>92621955
Affiliate literally means nothing, per Cover's own statement. It was just an attempt to avoid the bad vibes of the term "graduation".

>>92598716


Never mind that shit. What I wanna know is where the FUCK is that pink tomato eating FLAKE hiding at. Too good for your sempais HUH?

>>92642199
head hort

>>92607426
>how many people at your work are you friends with just because you work together? would you be friends with an alcoholic if you dont drink? would you be close to someone who eats animals if youre a vegan because you dont want animals to suffer?
Do you not have a job, or are you just an anti-social aspie? Never went bowling with co-workers or shot the shit with someone with a different lifestyle from yours?

>>92604527
>Irys
>Neutral
Nope:

>>92639396

>>92638966
Those three people are the ones who actually work together, compared to the others who literally do not care about Fauna in any way and are just showing up to obligatory streams.
Them not avoiding Fauna does not make them on her side in this, that's just the default stance.
The only significant point is that some are avoiding her.

>>92644237
>The mumei and gura streams were obligatory
pathetic desperate attempt

>>92644381
No, and they clearly like Fauna.
They also clearly have no idea what is going on because they have checked out from hololive.
On the other hand saying Kiara and Mori are on her side because they showed up to some MC collabs is a pathetic cope.

>>92608383
>doesn't finish or explain analogy
How is rich vegan American / Korean-in-blood-only Canadian analogous to oil / water

>>92644151
???? what the fuck?
they really do hate her

>the people who had to regularly interact with fauna hate her
Shocking

>>92604280
>Ever considered that it’s Fauna in the wrong to have multiple people against her?
No, but Fauna definitely pissed off management which meant that siding with her would have caused major damage to their career. Cover did a massive amount of damage control with multiple talents saying they love the direction of Hololive. Would take this month with a grain of salt and 100% of the blame is on management for not finding a compromise.

>>92608383
They got along fine for like 2 years.
Fauna did something and Kronii refused to let it go. We have no idea how justified that is.
Meanwhile the rest of her gen is avoiding her but it's not clear if that is related or they simply resent her for quitting on them.
Losing a member hurts group cohesion and sales and management knows that.
Council/Promise losing a member, getting IRyS and now losing another can't be good for them.

>>92641144
It's all of advent and justice for me. I think they're just neat

>>92646425
>cover got talents who regularly put them on blast and are stubborn and prideful to shill for them
dyrb?

>>92646618
fuck off homobeggar

>>92646493
We know Kronii asked her fans for their opinions and acted like she wanted genuine feedback and then took it and used it to attack Backstabbing behaviour is established with her

>>92630201
>I have to assume it is Fauna's fault
when Kronii has been a miserable menhera cunt since debut
explain this retard logic or your feet are brown

>>92646832
>actual mental illness
This is not revisionism, this is just making shit up now

>>92646653
>s-sometimes management isn’t like totally perfect
>they're still super nice though and really handsome
>put them on blast
Nobody in holoen is going to jeopardize their job for some random coworker instead of just kissing the ring like a bitch

>>92630531
Over a year ago

>>92647329
Because Kronii has in fact not been menhera at all, just depressed. Which does not make her irrational.
She has said, and demonstrated, multiple times that she is very loyal to her friends but very unforgiving to friends that betray her.
Obviously Fauna did something that she saw as a betrayal but we don't know what that was or how justified she is in thinking that.
We also have ZERO evidence of what Kronii would constitute a serious enough betrayal. She talked about it but did not give any examples. Any rrats about what it was and attempt to paint Kronii as overreacting and petty have ZERO supporting evidence. We just don't know.
You can support either one since you just have to go by trust. We do have her other genmates avoiding her with Bae and IRyS but we don't even know if that is related or not.

Trying to claim one or the other is in the right on this is asinine because we don't know anything about what happened.

>>92647656
>some random coworker
You've come to the heart of the matter.
It appears it was not just her viewers Fauna could not be friends with.

>>92638015
>>92638015
have you met women before? The mistake you're making is applying logic to their actions in lieu of knowing all variables - flawed logic at that

Promise is 5 members.
At worst, 3/5 hate Fauna. At best, only Kronii. You just ignored all the other mems across gens & branches who come out in support of Fauna. Shutting your eyes doesn't make it not real

>>92638138
That logic goes both ways retard

>>92648015
>come out in support of Fauna
What does this mean exactly?
I'm not even going to try and unpack the "Woman are dumb, therefore the woman I like must be correct and not dumb" statement.

>>92646653
Complaining about little things is fine but when it's affecting the reputation of Hololive than it can get them fired. Several of the EN talents have told viewers about having to be careful because of speech rules and even Kronii mentioned that when they have a major complaint they have to be silent. Considering the damage control they know management is watching them.

>>92638320
??? are you slow in the mind?

>>92648493
That explains why they don't speak out against cover.
It doesn't explain why they would shill instead.
Or why is it specifically them mentioned in the OP.

>>92645289
>a pathetic cope
But assuming they're on "Kronii's side" or that the ones joining her are doing it to keep up appearances isn't?
You are a retarded hypocrite.
Also, I am certain Gura and Mumei know what's going on seeing as SNOT is the only EN subunit that felt like they were actual friends.
God, are all Kronies as disconnected from reality as their clock whore?

>>92647917
>Same Kronii that loses sleep over moray eels getting mislabeled
I'm gonna assume whatever Fauna did wasn't a big deal.

>>92647452
cope, you probably werent even around when it happened

>>92645289
At least they bother to show up, unlike Kronii & Bae. It's a public facing job. There's a bare standard of professionalism not being met because of pettiness

>>92648822
>But assuming they're on "Kronii's side"

When have I ever said that, retard?
>Also, I am certain Gura and Mumei know what's going on
Yeah, cause you're retarded.

>>92646832
ironic when she won't shut up about how much she hates 'backstabbers'. Projecting dyke bitch

>>92649013
You are a little bitchboy is all I can tell.
Please tell me more of Kronii's terrible betrayals.
It's honestly hilariously ironic about you claiming that Kronii broke ties with Fauna over petty bullshit when you have nothing to back that up and at the same time you dropped Kronii over the most petty bullshit imaginable.

>>92649334
It's obviously projection on her part

>>92646770
>i watch advent and justice
>fuck off homobeggar
Poor retarded troon is so deranged he can't tell genders apart properly anymore.

>>92649181
You implied it by saying they CANNOT just like Fauna and show up and hang out because she is leaving. So if that's out of the question, it's because A) they think Kronii ignoring her is the right thing to do even if they don't do it themselves or B) they're being fake. Clearly ignoring the most realistic option is just logical in your vacuous mind?

But talking with a mouth-breathing waste of resources like you is pointless. Gee, imagine friends talking to one another! Imagine Gura's member streams where she complained about management and brand risk being completely out of nowhere and having nothing to do with Fauna announcing her graduation earlier.

Don't bother replying, you already made me perfectly aware of the degree of imbecile you are.

Only a nijinigger would side with fauna to hurt cover

>>92649478
Are you one of those weirdos who SC "Kronii you look boootfiful today my lady"

>>92647917
>depressed
>not irrational
Stopped reading there

>>92649733
The irony of this statement is enough to kill a retard like you.

>>92649733
>nijiniggers
>siding with a victim of bullying
Good one.

>>92608383
Also just personalitywise, Fauna is a terminal saviorfag who adopts sickly old cats from the shelter who won't get adopted, but her nature as a shrinking violet means she tends to be shit at resolving interpersonal problems (she had a feud with shondo for like a 2 years because neither had the gumption to talk it out).
Meanwhile Kronii is... Kronii. She's a terminal sadgirl with a vindictive streak.
Whether you believe the "they dated" rrat or not, these two types of people make a positive feedback loop until it breaks on Fauna's side where she physically can't give anymore support to Kronii and either puts up boundaries or withdraws altogether, and Kronii gets mad and curses her name forever.

>>92649686
Please stop making up retard arguments for me.
I don't see what the purpose of you strawmaning is.
People collabing with a leaving member is normal.
Them not collabing is not.
Kronii has an obvious problem with Fauna.
It looks like Bae and IRyS do too but that could be unrelated.
It's is fucking retarded to claim that anyone who does collab with Fauna has taken her "side" in whatever nebulous side this is supposed to be.

So claiming that Gura and Mumei have taken Fauna's side over Kronii because they collabed is real fucking dumb.

>>92648213
>What does this mean exactly?
By support I mean relative to how Kronii & the rest of Promise (not Mumei) are behaving. The obvious stuff. Showing up in open VC. Expressing what every other member graduation elicits. Saying goodbyes. NOT acting out whatever internal delusional that deemed Fauna persona non grata, NOT letting whatever petty woman bs compelled her to let over a years worth of interactions be awkward for EVERYONE WITH FUNCTIONING EYES

>>92650129
"Fauna and Kronii dated and broke up" is the most retarded rrat considering Fauna is not even single

>>92649583
you're trying to lump ERB with the good ones

>>92650299
So them acting means they are on her side?
What would them acting neutral be like?

Kronii is the queen bee and was personally slighted by Fauna. Bae and IRyS don't personally hate her but they don't want to get on Kronii's bad side. They would like to end on okay terms with Fauna. Mumei stood up for Fauna and will thus suffer bullying after the graduation strean.

>>92650862
>suffer bullying
Yeah, sexual bullying
She is not allowed to just watch anymore.

>>92650463
Wow, I can't believe she cheated on kroner that must be why they broke up

>>92641144
GG and CC are great.
Bijou is good.
Unexpectedly I like Shiori a lot.
Nerissa is a bit boring solo but I like her in collabs.

>>92650534
Compared to being visibly against her, yes. How is this so difficult for you? Do you have issues simulating scenarios in your head and categorizing how emotions factor into outcomes?
Neutral would be the numerous JP that can't communicate with Fauna on stream. They're not expected to see her out like HoloEN is.
See>>92650287
>People collabing with a leaving member is normal.
>Them not collabing is not.
Additionally, stock twitter replies to the announcement vs unique heartfelt words of support.
It's all quite simple really. Being there vs not being there. Professional vs unprofessional. Kind support vs petty malice.
No need to respond, I'm not interested in continuing to prolong this discussion, I see no point in trying to unglue your heels

Kronii won
Fauna and sapkeks lost

>>92649478
>is all I can tell.
It's ok, it's clear English isn't your first language.

>>92651278
This. Kronii won the crazy, divisive bitch award.

>>92651278
>Kronii maidenless and self haiting, cucked watching sally make a family
>Fauna with a boyfriend, set for life and ample time to start a family of her own.
Kronii lost, badly, just like that one minecraft stream were she got owned. Now she cant graduate without the shadow of Fauna being first, outsmarted even after graduation

I hope you people are aware you are insane.

Do you think the Kronii rrat gained enough traction to result in her losing subscribers?

>>92653222
lol no
not unless notFauna spills the beans

>>92651278
Kronii will never escape the fact that she turned her back on her genmate at graduation by doing the absolute minimum. There is no recovering from that, it's a permanent scar, a rrat that will linger and never die. You may not care and she may not care, but it will haunt her regardless. Fauna gets to leave with a clear conscience.

>>92653459
>absolute minimum
I'd reckon unpersoning someone you were once close with to be a separate category altogether, but I agree with your overall sentiment

>>92653831
she did show up for DoTA2.

>>92653459
Kronii is going to poison GG's mind against the Fauna

>>92654060
Kronii is immature and petty but too prideful to drag other members into her grudge. Besides that, Gigi is way, way more perceptive than Kronii. The idea she could somehow be manipulated by someone who doomposts like a 13 year old is actually laughable.

>>92635006
Snot died because gura stop streaming

>>92649991
They would do it as long as it made cover look bad, without paying attention to the irony

>>92641144
Besides Fauna and Mori, no EN talent I subbed to before 2024 to on YT seems to ever stream. Or, they do it at hours I'm not awake which are EST hours between 7 AM and 2 AM.

Do they just do members-only streams or something? How can people pay money for people who don't stream?

>>92654327
So really, all this is Gura's fault if we think about it

>>92648677
>That explains why they don't speak out against cover.
>It doesn't explain why they would shill instead.
Who knows what management can force talents to do when it relates to damage control. Hololive is a business that is based on selling brands that for their big vtubers are worth tens of millions of dollars in merch. They might only get a tenth of what the company earns but they have good reason to do what management asks especially when it's required by their contract.

>>92653887
Yes, only to complete ignore her.
>>92653459
This. And you know it's bad because even people not terminally cataloging interactions like our autists here are aware of this. This will be Kronies' cross to bear in regards to their oshi's shitty behavior. And Kronii's too I suspect. She will have a woman moment about this eventually.

>>92635453
Mumei also likes Kronii, who is all but confirmed to dislike Fauna.
Not all relationships are tied to each other.

>>92653887
Forced management collab haven't you noticed they went radio silent on fauna the next day once again?

>>92654327
Wrong.

>>92654657
>She will have a woman moment about this eventually.
Yeah in her usual juvenile way where she will be upset about something and refuse to elaborate. She maybe did last night when she decided to handle her self-imposed exile from Fauna's Minecraft stream by shitposting on poor Zeta's twitter.

>>92650463
Do I really need to tell you, an adult, that a lot of people fuck others behind their lovers' back? It's not Fire Emblem, people don't get locked into having one partner they will marry and die together with.

so /vt/ is on holoniggers side? retarded shits
where are the Saplings

>>92654327
Not really because there was nothing stopping Kronii-Fauna-Mumei from continuing without her. If anything, SNOT was supplanted by SNOC during ENreco. Cecilia brings good vibes.

>>92607806
now try reading between the lines and also watch streams. plenty of the ENs have complained pretty hefty about management prior and now all of a sudden, oh they were just minor incidents i am perfectly happy with them now xD.
Fuck off retarded faggot

>>92607997
>saying people are weak and pathetic if they can't toughen up because they're snowflakes.
what's wrong with this?

Mumei showing that she's a real one in the end. She always comes through in the end.

>>92654377
>five hours nightly sleep
anon...

>>92655341
Everyone on earth complains about their job to some degree. Doesn't mean they all want to quit.

>>92655760
Nta but it's been about a decade since I've been able to sleep more than five hours (and usually even then it's usually interrupted) and I'm fine more or less.

>>92655893
have to pee once too? Started about 5 years ago for me.

>>92655943
Yep, no matter how little I drink before sleep.

>>92653459
>Fauna gets to leave with a clear conscience
lol
lmao even

>>92655054
delusional

>>92644151
Weird af

>>92656570
>not even 1 argument
holy mother of cope

>>92657178
What argument do I need?
Fauna destroying her reputation with vagueposting about manegement during her graduation announcement, her causing the entire branch to put out statements about hololive not dying or her being ignored by her own genmates?

>>92657380
>Fauna destroying her reputation
lol lmao

>>92657839
>not even 1 argument
holy mother of cope

>>92657380
>causing the entire branch to put out statements about hololive not dying
almost like hololive management forced them? and instead of supporting their friend they ditched her and went directly to licking the corpo boot

>>92656623
pretty sure fauna broke up with jeff, or whatever that chud's name was

>>92655054
people don't do that kind of shit
life is not a high school drama...

>>92658669
yes, yes they do. 1 in every 5 admit to cheating on a partner in the USA. And remember this is people who admit to it on a survey. Actual number will be higher

>>92659114
That was from a YouGov survey with 1,660 respondents. That is not a statistically large enough sample size.

Mumei ditched fauna's collab again.
Why is she like this?

>>92659834
No it wasn’t just from a yougov survey, the Institute for Family Studies did a survey and the 2022 General Social Survey resulted is almost exactly the same metrics for infidelity

I don’t know if you’re young or have a small social circle but people do cheat. All the time. Besides I thought Fauna broke up with her bf like 1-2 years ago

>>92659114
>>92660987
lots of people are also technically still in a relationship or marriage when they basically live seperated already. I think they make up lots of these numbers too.

>>92660964
Too busy actually having a life and enjoying, how dare she

>>92661528
How? It’s literally just a question survey “have you every cheated on a partner, if so what kind of cheating was it”

>>92661726
it is still cheating then even if both are already doing it. My dad also basically cheated with my mom because he was still married to his ex-wife for 2 years before they divorced.