/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Microphone Copy Pasta]

Here's a few tips for all of you about microphones for all of you:

First:
-If you are starting, take a look at what you have around, maybe your gaming headset will be good enough to start.
-If you have a rockband mic laying around stored in some box, it may do the job too, stick a pantyhose on top of it to stop plosives, cut a hole on a ceral box to have it serve as a mic stand and voi-lá. This used to be the beginner youtuber special back in 2011~2013 and it worked very well.
-Check the noise reduction filters and equalization in OBS (or maybe use NVIDIA RTX Voice if your card is compatible) for some boost in quality.
The important is to start.
-Study mic technique, a lot of quality improvement can be done without spending a cent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty8YLqOmbV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAKnCEsZ_og

After you begin and you look into into buying a mic to improve your audio quality keep in mind a few things:
-"pro" audio requires a lot of investment in equipment, acoustic treatment, mixing, etc. A lot of your favorite vtubers and regular youtuber and streamers don't have it and do just fine.
-USB mics are generally not the top end of the microphones contrary to what Blue's marketing team may want you to believe, but a good quality one is more than serviceable. If you're not that tech inclined and want an all-in-one quick solution, consider one.
- A good XLR mic, a boom arm, a pop filer and good audio interface will be enough. Don't get lost chasing "the best", don't get lost into the audiophole rabbit hole, it'll cost you a lot of for increasingly diminishing returns that most of your
viewers and won't notice.
- If you are on a tight budget, look for dynamic microphones, a Shure SM-48 with a windscreen, an XLR-to-USB adapter or a cheap audio interface will be cheaper and beat in quality most USB mics at thrice the price.
-Take into consideration your needs - lot of streamers, for example just use condenser mics because it's "studio quality" but can't get the quality they may potentially output or do anything that will really benefit from having one (like raw music vocals to for mixing).
-Going off from the last point, if you are not recording music (I don't mean Karaoke streams with some reverb kicked in, I mean actually recording vocals for mixes or professional voice overs) consider dynamic mics instead of condensers like most big streamers do, it'll save you a lot of headaches.

About Mic types, there are basically two that matter for you.
Condenser mics:
- A lot of people who do livestreams use these; They are your Blue Yetis, AT2020s and similar.
-Usually are called studio mics, and there's a reason for that. While give you a nice voice recording with a fuller range of capture, to make the most out of them you need a controlled, studio environment.
-They are more expensive by themselves, often require more accessories (not only a boom arm, but shock mouths and the like), and are often overly sensitive (which is why you get a lot of mouse and keyboard noises when people are playing).
-To make them sound the best they can will require acoustic treatment of the room you record (because they are sensitive and capture the sound waves bouncing on hard surfaces and that messes with your quality) or home-made recording studio/booth (or a makeshift one, like getting inside of a closet full of clothes or recording inside a pillow for).

Dynamics mics:
-These are the stage mics, most of you will be familiar with handheld ones stick with the little ball on top of it (but many can have different shapes and look as "studio-like" as the Condensers).
-They're usually very good at not capturing the noise that's not immediately in front of them, which is why they're used for concerts, churches, TV, and even presidential speeches (US presidents have been speaking into SM-57s for a many decades now).
- That means you don't really need to have an acoustically treated room and the clicks and clacks of your keyboard and mouse won't be picked so easily, which makes them great for home studios.
- While dynamics can get expensive, due to their construction they'll be less expensive than Condensers. The legendary industry-standard Shure SM58, for example, costs 100 bucks, and even the top models like the RE20 are way cheaper than the high end condensers that cost thousands of dollars.
- Dynamic can also be used for studio recordings - a lot of Rock vocals are recorded on Shure SM-58s because it's gritty; a ton of podcatst and radio studios use the Shure SM-7B (with Joe Rogan being the most famous example), NPR uses the Electro Voice RE27.
- Dynamics however are not as sensitive a as Condensers, they're not ideal for most musicians doing studio recordings unless we're talking rock/metal vocals.

Hope it'll be of use for all of you.
And sorry for double spaces but it's a lot of information and I wanted it to look organized.
Godspeed, anons!
And good luck!

Using no model is better than using vroid.

>>900399
>>900440
>>901148
You will never be a vtuber.

>>901148
There is nothing wrong with VROID if you have the skills or know someone competent that can do the model for you.

my issue with Vroid and VSeeFace, while pretty nifty and free, is that it's too resource heavy for my computer. for example, if i play Apex, the game capture on my OBS is fine, but the model in VSeeFace constantly freezes up. it's fine when i play 2D games or something that's very light like Genshin Impact or Valorant.

How do you, Anon, intend to stand out?

>>901554
You unironically need a better graphics card. That or you need to lower the resolution/quality in VSee. The only time I've ever had a lag/FPS issue with Vsee is when I was playing 2077.

>>901625
>You unironically need a better graphics card.
lol that's not gonna happen anytime soon. fucking everything is sold out everywhere. but yeah, i'll fiddle around with the settings. at worst, i can just take a screenshot of the vroid model and use it as a png instead.

>>900399
How about telling me the best people to throw money at?

>>901663
Check your VSee version as well. the 1.13.36c release specifically addressed "an issue where things could feel a bit laggy or stuttery"

>>901555
>How do you, Anon, intend to stand out?
https://files.catbox.moe/dm9yj1.mp4

Are any of the vtuber wannabes here even women (actual females)? Or is it all dudes.

>>901917
It's a lot more women than you would think

>>901943
Idk man, women don't really browse this site. Aside from maybe cgl.

OFFICIAL poll
https://www.strawpoll.me/42688149
https://www.strawpoll.me/42688149
https://www.strawpoll.me/42688149

Anyone needs pointers or inspiration? Nina is streaming right now, check her out.
http://twitch.tv/ninaninin

>>901967
Many women browse this site but don't out themselves because they'll get "tits or gtfo" or "dilate tranny". You adapt to the environment.

>>901493
based

>>902014
Broken poll?

>>901494
The best of the best VRoids are all overbooked, anything less than that looks like ass.

thoughts on appropriating japanese names for your vtuber identity?

>>904510
No one fucking cares go back to twitter

>904518
fastest i've seen someone get triggered for asking a simple question. thanks for the (You)

>>904510
like you're white and you want people to call you Kazuto or some shit? I think it's peak weeb cringe, but I don't think it'll matter when you're only going to stream to like 4 people. Maybe if you actually grow it would.

>>905128
good point, anon

>>904510
Cringey as fuck, you will never be Japanese so embrace your gaijin-ness.

>>904510
most of the girls do it, plenty of the guys do. if someone’s going to call you out they’ll have to call out every sakura and everything in between.

>>904510
based. Do it

>>888078
>It sounds like you kinda suck at your job, but good luck just the same!
Actually, cross threading this reply just to retain my dignity, usually my troubleshooting is
>X1 is broken
>It could be a, b, or c component
>Move X1's a to X2
>X2 still works, therefore a isn't the faulty component
>Subsequently move b and c over to X2
>X2 never stops working
>Return a, b, and c to X1
>Run an optest to confirm the fault code so I can write up a job update
>Suddenly X1 works
>X2 also works with its original a, b, and c components
And no, it's not just connections. First thing I check.
Problem is not me, problem is that I figure it could be component a, b, or c being broken, but suddenly the thing I'm "fixing" starts working and I can't explain how it began working again.

>>899415
>>896604
I find the """"femboys""" are very tiring and their voices grating to me.

>>896564
Maybe this.

>>901554
Vroid models are horrific bad re: optimization.
Any random yahoo modeller will do a better job. I have no idea how they cocked up a basic body mesh so badly, but hoo baby it's bad.

>>901555
Instead of pretending to not be a piece of shit like most of the pieces of shit
I'm just going to be honest about wanting attention and praise and being kind of a dick.

It seems basic, but I believe in honesty.

>thread about AUDITIONS and helping others improve their AUDITIONS
>all talk is about going indie and throwing money around
man, ever since hopeful-chan left these threads have just become /wvt/ part 2

>>907058
Forgot your trips

>>907058
What happened to idol hopeful? She debuted?

>>907142
I missed the couple of threads from just before and when she left.
When I asked what happened people said she made a post on /wvt/ and basically said she got everything she needed from these threads
deleted her Twitch and Discord and left. She might still be a month or so off from debut but who knows.

>>907195
Eh, her channel is back under a new name. At least I assume it's them my phone keeps alerting me to someone streaming under a name I don't remember subbing for.

>>905633
I was just being flippant anon, I'm not actually bullying you over your job.
I'm sure you're doing great.

>>907058
Way better than /wvt/, which is full of mean-spirited subhumans.

ENA-esque vtuber when?

>>907457
I've never been to /wvt/ but I know these threads were maximum comfy during the hopeful-chan period
Now it seems like the thread's lost it's original purpose and is slowly becoming a place for vtweeters to sniff their own farts and anxious indies to rationalize their 3 thousand dollar commissions
>>907322
what's the channel? her old name gives the "unless you have a time machine..." page

There's some useful information, like that sticky note idea from last thread. But it's just too easy for some schizo to derail the entire thing because people keep taking his bait. Expect him to come back around 4 hour or so from now because that's when he's always around.

>>907457
Thread used to be fine, but I guess the Holos found the thread and now it's full of seething /jp/ers who hate the "EOPs" that or it's just usual fandom salt

>>907689
desu, there really should be a general for "shill your 'friends' and 'favorites'"
Y'know, a thread for shilling yourself with plausible deniability. We should all be supporting each other, rather than trying to tear each other down, but I guess the schizoids would never allow it.

>>907686
it's not bait if the person believes what they're saying, newfag
you can easily spot a bait post by the amount of replies that one post has and whether or not he's arguing it.
if he's not arguing it, it's bait. If he is, he believes it or is at least doubling down.

>>907142
her management told her to stay off. check >>791663

>>907058
how are you going to audition if you don't have any sort of portfolio or experience as an indie?
i assume that a lot of people wanting to audition also want to develop content in some way first
back when the holoEN auds started there were people asking stuff about that too but i think its slowed down for now
this is more or less the "getting started as an indie thread" but auds is easier to say
also hopeful was still helping people trying to start off as indie too so i'm not sure what you're talking about there either

>>908874
building a portfolio != going indie
You don't need experience as a vtuber to audition. you just need streaming experience.
that's how you'll audition without experience as an indie

>>904510
Who cares?
The japs apropriate western names all the time - or do you think that Aqua, Noel, Gilzaren, Melissa or Belmond Banderas are japanese names? That's also to say nothing about Chinese names.
Just choose the name that best fit's your character.

>>907058
Most auditions these days require you to have content creation chops and entertaining an audience - some specifically saying that they want streaming experience. And even in auditions that don't require it you'll be against people who do have such skills on top of their talents and habilities.
That's something you'd know if you looked up auditions and read what they're looking for.
Doing indie content creation is a way to build up the necessary skills and have some sort of portfolio you can show with your application instead of showing up with empty hands.

>>907622
The problem is that people on this site tend to be overtly cynical and acentuate the negative,and people who are oriented towards creating stuff and helping others don't like being bogged down by it.

>>909269
>that's how you'll audition without experience as an indie
That's how you audition without being an indie Vtuber, you're still an independent content creator.

>>909269
Not that anon, but to be fair
If you gotta put in the effort to build up a portfolio anyway and you want to become a vtuber, why not make your portfolio a fallback position too?
If you don't get picked up by any company, you can continue on your own.

If nothing else, it's efficient.

>>900399
No idea if this has been shared yet:
Don't take your sweet time to audition. You may think you have a lot of time before the deadline to finish your application but in reality most spots are already taken long before the auditions close.
Nijisanji had a short audition period of only two weeks and those who applied late got 0 views for their audition video while those who applied earlier got at least some views. It has been rumored that some got contacted even before the auditions closed.
Do you think they will just wait for the auditions to close before they start looking at the applications? If you want to get noticed be early!

I don't know if anyone remembers this, but I read it a few months ago and can't find the source.
It basically stated something alone the lines of "having lots of subscribers doesn't matter because there are talented people who don't have the marketing skills or the necessary luck, we can handle that, what we are looking for is talent".
It was either an interview or article, or maybe an audition list of "stuff we are looking for", but I know for sure that involved a big agency.
I'm reminded of it because sometimes people focus a bit too much on numbers - it's okay to care if you want to have streaming as a fallback if your audience plans don't work, but if your objective is to build a portfolio for an audience, worry about honing your talents/skills and entertaining an audience - incidentally chances are also that the viewers will come if you have quality.

>>909838
>"having lots of subscribers doesn't matter because there are talented people who don't have the marketing skills or the necessary luck, we can handle that, what we are looking for is talent".
YAGOO said something to this effect at one point, so you're not crazy. I don't have it handy, I'm afraid.

>>909838
>I'm reminded of it because sometimes people focus a bit too much on numbers - it's okay to care if you want to have streaming as a fallback if your AUDITION plans don't work, but if your objective is to build a portfolio for an AUDITION, worry about honing your talents/skills and entertaining an audience - incidentally chances are also that the viewers will come if you have quality.
I'm disabling autocorrect from now on.
Polite sage.

>>909838
i don't know if these were just rumors but when i hear about people like lilypichu allegedly having auditioned and seeing how ame got accepted that makes me feel reassured
not that i have any big following but if i spend the year or two keeping at it i'm sure i could build up a respectable enough following by the time starsEN gen1 or 2 roll around

>>909838
>"having lots of subscribers doesn't matter because there are talented people who don't have the marketing skills or the necessary luck, we can handle that, what we are looking for is talent".
Not trying to dox anyone, but one of the newest vtubers for holo had an account with 15.7K subscribers. That's a decent number, but it's also not "unreachable."

Where do you guys get royalty free background music?

>>912389
Dova Syndrome

Hope you know Japanese

>>912389
Incompetech is a nice source, but you might have to dig a little to find something not done to death on YT.

>>912389
basically what the two below you said
dova isn't too hard to navigate though if you use a translator desu.

Guys, does getting a character commission for vtubing count as commercial use?

>>900399
>Once you're up and running, what are you plans on fostering and growing your community? What tools or software will you use?
twitter
interacting with fans
trying to organize shit where I can play with them

>>901967
they do, they just don't call attention to it. it's still majority male for sure, but I think people think its less that 1% or something

>>912389
Youtube’s Audio Library.
>https://www.youtube.com/audiolibrary
CCMixter
>http://ccmixter.org/
Open Game art:
>https://opengameart.org/
KevinMacLeod:
>https://incompetech.com/
A bunch of youtube channels that offer royalty-free music too such as NoCopyrightSounds, and there's also a ton of websites. A good idea may also be buying a collection of royalty free songs, they're not really expensive and because you're paying the music selection tends to be better.
Just keep in mind that you must be aware of the licenses they're put under regardless of source - some, for example Audio Library Plus, will freely allow you to use stuff if you are indie, but not if you are working with a company; others may require a commercial license if you are making more than X-ammount a year from your content.
Also if you're using creative commons, stay away from anything that's not CC-0 (Public Domain) or CC-BY (Attribution), as videos may break non-commercial clauses (if you run ads and accept donations), non-derivative clauses (matching audio to video) and share-alike clauses (if you don't also release your content for re-use).
There are a couple other sites that nips use like Dova-Syndrome but I'll strongly recommend against if you don't know Japanese and don't know the terms of use.

>>912711
Do you plan to make accept donations, run ads, have a patronage-service in which you may lock content behind a paywall (channel memberships/subscriptions, member-only streams, etc), and/or; would accept sponsorships to your content (for the generic squarespace to maybe working with a game company to shill their new game such as people are doing with the new Guilty Gear)?
If the answer to any of the above, then the answer is yes.

>>912982
Correcting myself:
>If the answer to any of the above is affirmative, then yes. it's commercial use.

>>913000
>>912982
fuck. All these people's rates just like double or tripled.

>>913023
Hot take:
Any artist who charges more for commercial use is probably a skip.
Non-commercial use means that you don't technically own the artwork, and you're just paying to effectively rent it.

I don't see why you'd work with someone who doesn't just sell full rights every time. I won't hire a freelancer who wants to own the work. That's the exact opposite of the point of a freelancer.

>>912586
>>912670
>>912909
Nice.
>>912455
I'm 習いてます

Have you guys found any good male vtubers to take inspiration from? I've been watching Kerin and he's one of the few male vtubers I enjoy watching and seems to have gotten over the male debuf pretty well. Also he seems pretty based and redpilled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nwt-t_Z1MA

>>913984
honestly looks more like he just does a bunch of skits, which have almost always been good (regardless of gender as long as the content is good). language barrier prevents me from understanding what's going on, but from the views and likes, looks like the dude found a recipe that worked for him. right on.

the vtuber aspect seems to be used to compliment the rest of his scripted work, as opposed to being the main aspect of it. really neat take, thanks for sharing, anon.

>>913984
I find Kongou to be very inspiring with how he commits really hard to his character; he plays into it so well.

>>912389
"Royalty free background music" on youtube

is there any way to get a "big picture" view of youtube? i get that's a big vague, but lemme try to explain it a bit.

i wanna see which kind of "categories" of youtube have the biggest potential for growth. like many years ago, food review type content blew up, then it was "reaction" videos, etc. i wanna know what category has the greatest potential for growth and see if i can vtube into that niche. hope what i said makes sense

>>913984
I wouldn't look to JP VTubers to emulate. The male debuff isn't as strong there as it is in the west because their viewership demographic is a lot bigger and varied. Most people watching vtubers in the west are literally watching them because they're vtubers. Fujobait propsers there as well and you literally have zero chance for it to get you far in the west because it's more cringe and people tend to not suspend their disbelief as hard.

What realistic goals are you setting for yourself?

>>917946
my goal this week is talk to an artist to get my character created.

>>913535
While not always the case obviously, I find artists who charge for commercial use usually have much higher quality work or are more professional to work with, they're much more serious. I've done a lot of looking into JP Live2D artists as well and usually you're paying for commercial use anyway as an extra fee, sometimes it's included as their only way of commissioning them.

Of course there's artists who either don't care, are less experienced in transactions that are earning someone else money, or who don't even know the laws about that kind of thing who all are willing to just make you art and as long as you don't stick it on a t-shirt to sell you're free to make literally TENS of thousands of dollars if not more off of their work; the person who did zen, silvervale, etc's models didn't add any type of commercial use/royalties til recently which im sure theyre kicking themselves over.

There's a lot more professional artiststhat do want their piece of the pie either in royalties if you're already very, very big and just becoming a vtuber (like if Pokimane had made a full swap) or commercial fees and under most circumstances I agree they're entitled to some kind of commercial fee because it isn't really a standard "i just want art" commission, it's a business expense that you'll be using to potentially make a lot of money.

but i mean most of the time you're paying it its just part of the full live2D fee

>>917984
>There's a lot more professional artiststhat do want their piece of the pie either in royalties
Yeah, see
That's the shit I'm talkin' about

I don't fuck wit that.
I pay for the product in question. The guy who sells a company a truck doesn't take royalties on the deliveries made with it. It's a product.

>>917946
I want to do a mahjong collab with other vtubers

>>918049
There's loads of artists you will do royalty free and fairly priced avatars, they just won't be super extremely high quality like the Hololive ones.

>>917946
i set a goal to do weekly teaching streams over the course of the year and i'm three weeks in so far!
i also want to release some song covers!

>>918141
My model is done and sorted, will pro quality and full ownership.
If my chuubing takes off, though, we gonna get alternate costumes. An artist who is good to work with is worth their weight in gold, after all.

>>917946
I've been procrastinating on it, but I want to at least manage to stream for two hours 3 times a week fir a month. I also want to finalize a design and comission an artist for it soon

>>918049
Even Hololive is paying these fees, this type of thing applies to all kinds of art forms. I mean they could just charge you 2k and say it's included (which most do) and you likely wouldn't even notice.

Also please stop getting low quality Live2D models. Drop the cash for something nice. Hit up Skima or something and find a good JP artist, I've found a few willing to work over translation services, but scheduling for the bigger ones is a bit harder because they book months in advance though a few here and there are still open, just have a character sheet ready so there's as little room for error as possible, though a lot have character design included as an option

You'll end up with a higher quality product more catered to the weeb audience you're trying to get anyway.

Where do I commission a sprite for a future model lads?
I can't draw and all I need is at least a static PNG to put on the edge of my screen.
I don't wanna go the vroid route, I genuinely love 2D.

>>918497
A lot of artists would be willing to draw a Vtuber model; you can search commissions on Twitter

>>918588
In what world are we living that twitter is the go-to place for that?
Damn.

>>918615
Idk, it is kinda sad
You could also use Fiverr but most of the better artists use Twitter

>>918615
If you know of a better place, I'd love to know. Twitter's UI is pretty shit and takes fucking forever to browse through artists.

Fuck it im making a Vhemorrhoid i have no more moolah

>>918637
You could try pixiv or deviantart

>>918637
I've found a lot of success on Artstation.
You have to do some sifting and send emails, but you find a lot of high-quality artists with unique styles and little to no wait lists.

Reaching outside of the vtuber scene works well.

>>918710
>>918722
thanks anons, i'll check 'em out

>>918615
Twitter is heavily used by artists, it's a really good place for exposure.

>>918722
Give me your best tips on approaching and finding them, anonchama.
Do you just search by tag #vtuber ?
Do you specifically look for someone with open commissions, or do you just approach whoever strikes your fancy?
Any good personal recommendations?

>>918933
I've been searching "character sheet" and then making sure they speak english and that they have commissions open.

>>918933
I had a fairly simple sift system.

I compiled a list of people I wanted to contact, split into marked for freelance and not marked for freelance groups.
For the freelance group, I sent a form letter just asking them for a price quote with a very general outline of the kind of work I wanted done, then I waited 2 weeks. Anyone who didn't respond in 2 weeks went on my permanent blacklist for unprofessionalism.
As responses came in over the 2wk period, I responded to each individually. I went from a list of ~30 names whose work I liked, roughly ranked in order of how much I liked it for my purposes. By the end I had 6 respondents whose rough quotes were within the realm of reason, who were interested in the project, and who were available to do it.
Ultimately I ended up getting my #1 choice, who is a rather popular artist and who produced a fantastic design for me.

Oh, as for the group not marked as open for freelance, I sent them messages anyway--but rather than pitching the project outright, I just asked if they're open to freelance work. This is mostly futile, but it's a "miss 100% of the shots you don't take" kind of thing. Out of another ~30ish names, 2 of them were willing to talk about the project and neither was ultimately a good fit.
No blacklisting for non-response there, though, since not being listed as open to freelance... can't really blame them if they don't check their email often, since they're probably not expecting emails.

Not a complicated process, really. Just making lists, sending form letters and sifting down the list until you have a small core of good fits you can discuss/haggle with individually.

Also, this is fucking ESSENTIAL advice: Your MAIN JOB as an employer of a freelancer is to make the process as painless as possible for them. Be ready to clearly state your needs, wants, and any points you're flexible on. If you aren't sure on some point or detail, defer to the artist--you should be hiring one whose style you like and trust anyway.

If you are easy to work with, the freelancers you hire will be happy to do more work for you in the future, and often will give you better future prices and work harder for you, because they know you won't be a fucking drag.

Also, don't be afraid to throw in a spicy tip or be a baller, either--it isn't wasted money to be Mr. Rich, even if you're kinda faking it. People like a generous employer, and they tell their friends. It's an investment in the future of your working relationship, which is easily worth an extra hundred, two hundred bucks thrown on their Twitch subs or tip jar. Freelancers are your employees, so be "the cool boss" and not "the dickhead boss"

Godspeed, anon.

What are your dreams, aspiring vtubers?

>>900399
Do you reckon having a portfolio of only fandubs is adequate to apply to the auditions with? I'm not sure I could commission a character and learn the ins and outs of the software before the deadline.

>>919245
Not only have you evaded answering 70% of my questions, you also went on a huge unsolicited tangent take as well.
You block people for unprofessionalism, yet also talk about "spicy tips", which are just as unprofessional in any work environment outside of being a waiter or delivery boy.
From my times commissioning simple fanart I vividly remember most artists being quite opposed to being treated with tips, because it's their honest work and they don't want handouts and pats for being figurative "good boys", they also compile their prices so that no tips would be required. All they need is good communication and on-time payments, freelance couldn't give less of a shit of your boss roleplaying and "investments".
I would be lying if I didn't say that you seem like a pretty big dickbag to me, anonchama.

>>919245
This is a great way to do it, it's pretty much how I did it but a lot more disorganized.

I have noticed when looking for a character designer that a lot of mid-sized artists who don't know much about vtubers look into it and seem a lot more eager to be involved or at least hear you out because it's got the feel of a "real" project without the commitment. If you succeed they usually stand to get some amount of exposure or even financial benefit from it and if you fail it's not really their fault anyway.

>>919484
They're not looking at your portfolio are they? Isn't the whole point to record a 5 minute in-character presentation of sorts? Your character doesn't matter because you won't be using it anyway, it's just showing your ability to be in character.

>>919484
>I'm not sure I could commission a character and learn the ins and outs of the software before the deadline.
If you're talking about the HoloEN Gen 2 audition deadline, they state in the application that you don't need your own character and even if you do, it will not be transferred into Hololive. So you don't need to have a vtuber model to apply.

>>919455
To have fun, honestly. Either I make new friends through collabs or have enough of an audience that interacting is fun.
I find regular streams with my current online persona pretty fun already, but I'm starting to lose my head from my self-image and my lack of decent stories to tell (childhood was a horrible mess), and would like to try a hard reset with a character where I can more confidently embellish some of the lesser stories I have and also just try to disconnect myself from my problems more easily.

Artist here, learning how to use Live2D. This is my first time doing a rigging, and I think it's alright, but still pretty rough. (The character illustration is mine as well)
https://files.catbox.moe/qh2scr.mp4

I've been watching Brian Tsui videos and the shit he does is like magic. What does it take to get that good?

>>919497
If you don't want my opinions, blame yourself for asking me.

>>919509
vtubers are kind of a "fun weird thing" to people who don't already know about them. I've found that artists who need the concept explained to them definitely like the idea, even if it isn't their cup of tea specifically.

Also yeah, if my chuuba project works well, I'll definitely be returning to the same artists over and over. I went for a certain design sense and distinctive style, so I have no reason not to keep going back to them and paying them rates commensurate with the scale of the project as it grows.

Plus, it feels good to be able to tell an artist "I'll double your rate, but I also need..."
It's just a boss move.

>>910660
You mean ame, right?

>>919455
I want to be successful.
It's mainly a hobby for me (at least for now) but I'm taking it very seriously too. I want the big viewership, I want the popularity, and to some extent I want the money (though mostly so I can use the money to make even better content)

So far I think I'm off to a good start. Just gotta keep doing what I'm doing.

>>919623
I've seen worse first timers.
As for getting good, just more experience with the program is nice, but learning to make better art and even some small animation stuff will bring you much farther ahead. The main thing you want to learn as an artist doing Live2D work is form, since form will dictate how everything gets attached to eachother and you'll understand how parts interact with one another during movement.

>>919679
Reine

>>919455
My end goal is money honestly, but I have a lot of fun vtubing and making new friends so t hat's a bonus. As of right now I'm in the green profit-wise but I'll be making a few big purchases for a new design and 3D model soon which is definitely gonna hurt.

>>919455
I want to become popular enough that if I say "I wish artists drew X", a dozen people will immediately hop on drawing X

>>919497
anon I don't know how to tell you this but no artist is going to be legitimately upset about getting paid extra and if they ever act like that it's because they're being modest
>it's their honest work and they don't want handouts
you can't tell me you actually believe this

>>919669
Oh I am, believe me.
But I feel happy knowing that at least I've treated artists I've had contact with as people and not some animals that needed to be tamed by bossing them around and giving them treats.

>>919852
I do, what's wrong with that? Modesty is a positive trait after all.
I mean sure, people wish they could do nothing and get paid nonetheless, but overpaying for something is just as insulting as underpaying.

>>919901
every artist i know appreciates tips. in fact, one of their favorite type of customers are furries who are weirdly wealthy and tip a healthy 20% on commissions.

>>919901
modesty is a positive trait, I agree
but if an artist charges me a price I think is too low, I'm paying them more than that.
I don't see how that's in any capacity worse than paying less than what they think they deserve

>>919865
Yeah, I'm sure you make a lot of friends by taking everything someone says in the most negative way possible.
You sound like a simp.
Quit bugging me, I don't want to get your stink on me.

>>919920
Well good for those artists that you know.
To me getting a tip or getting paid more than agreed on is like:
>Haha here's some more cash, not like you owe me or something, no strings attached *wink wink*
It's just clamoring for future favors.

What do I need to commission from an artist to give to the rigger in order for them to start? I don't want to spend money on a character commission only for the rigger to tell me I actually needed XYZ.

>>919957
>t's just clamoring for future favors.
can't help that you come from a fucked up culture, anon. the rest of the civilized world will appreciate the tip as an added thank you for quality work.

>>919968
The artist just has to separate the layers of the art properly; what I did for my live2d was send my rigger the finished lineart, who then highlighted the individual parts into different layers, and I sent that file back to my artist
It might be worthwhile to also ask about different mouth opening shapes for different syllables as well

>>918495
A good model is like a good thumbnail, it gets the user to click on the video. But if the video itself is hot garbage, you become a clickbait.
Make good content before good avatars.

>>919974
>can't help that you come from a fucked up culture
You do realize that it's the tipping debate all over again, correct?
There's only a handful of "cultures" that have tips, whereas most industries and cultures put "the tip" into the final price.
It's quite literally only americans and choice few europeans who view tips as something beneficial and not degrading, because they tip underpaid people.

>>920033
>because they tip underpaid people.
which doesn't fucking apply in this instance because the artist is setting their own fucking price you absolute mango

>>920047
My point exactly though.
You're genetically bred to tip people because you tip underpaid workers, so you extrapolate it on every type of work by default, thinking that you're being a gracious host or employer, when in reality you're acting like a spoiled rich kid in the eyes of people.
Your view on art and paying for it is skewed by furry artists with their endless autismbux, because those people wouldn't know good manners if they hit them in the face.

>>920033
>>920085
EVERYONE IN EVERY CULTURE APPRECIATES FREE MONEY FOR FUCKING NOTHING!!! HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS???

>>920085
the fuck are you talking about?

>artist underprices their work
>you tip them
congrats, they're getting close to their real value

>artist adequately prices their work
>you tip them
congrats, it's a sign of appreciation and a thank you for the quality work

in what fucking backwords world does tipping on a COMMISSION come across as an insult?

>>920085
holy shit dude
leave

>>920005
Thank you, this is very helpful. I guess when I commission an artist I'll have to bring this up first and see if they'd be willing to do that.

>>920095
I have no clue what you're talking about, have you ever commissioned anyone before? The biggest artist I commission appreciated the tip and even gave me a chibi for free next time I commissioned them, and their price on those were like 60 bucks.

>>920095
So tell me, do you tip Japanese people as well?
>>920105
This issue here is that the market shouldn't be geared towards people underpricing their work in terms of tips, this is, quite literally, narrow-mindedness on the part of you, american and anglo posters, who think that there is only one universal culture and customs for everything.

>>920161
you need professional levels of help that /vt/ is not qualified for, anon

>>919968


While >>919974 is correct, I feel the need to state that you should only hire an artist specialized in Live2D drawing. I've seen a lot of artists who absolutely can draw and layer for Live2D but without the knowledge of how it works their style may or may not properly equate to a good Live2D model. Some styles just don't work and some artists aren't going to produce a good Live2D-layered art piece just because they're good artists.

>>920161
I have happened to get an art commission from a japanese person and I tipped extra, they thanked me like a normal person.

>>920180
I suppose. Didn't expect for this to grow into heated tip discussion.
Just saying that it's a cultural difference that certain nations just will never understand.

>>920181
>>920005
> hire an artist specialized in Live2D drawing
Is this what you mean by Live2D drawing?

>>920280

>>920280
>>920314
Yeah like this. Basically each individual part is put together by the Live2D rigger and rigged to move. Don't cheap out on the rigging either or you'll have pretty model that's extremely stiff. I use Roberu from Holostars as a great example of this.

/auds/ where is a good place to commission a model? I am shit at drawing. Even my concept art for my character looks like shit. Should I just got to fivr or something?

>>920455
You could probably do what other anons are asking about and look for an artist and rigger to commission

>>920455
nah, most of us here are looking for way to smooth out the amount of friction it takes to just start a youtube/twitch channel and begin streaming. you'll have better luck on twitter, deviantart, artstation, etc.

>>920455
This is me >>920314 >>920280 and I've been on fiverr. I might have to do a half model design and rigging to start with cause this is looking a little more than I want to spend.

>>920455
Live2D discord is a good place to start, there's a few pros in there.

>>920504
I feel like I'd be seen as a weirdo right?

>>920527
I'll try here first, there looks to be a buying section.

>>920455
live 2d discord

>>919968
The best recommendation is to start with a character sheet that is just the design.
After that, using the sheet as reference, you want to pass that to either a 2d or 3d specialist who knows the tools.

>>920664
Not if the artists and riggers explicitly state their commissions are open, no.
It's fairly normal to commission someone if their advertising their commissions

What >>920026 said.

You wanna spring for a high quality look, but that isn't the only thing you need.

>>920085
You're just stingy and trying to make it sound noble.

>>920455
As before, I recommend artstation.
Find someone who does character DESIGN work, and take your concept back to the basic idea--pick a job or species or concept and a few general personality/vibe keywords, and you can go back and forth with a character designer on rough sketches a few times to find something that you're really feeling.

On the topic of character designs, how far can you push it before youtube or twitch gets upset? Obviously exposed tits and genitals are a no go, but can a guy have an avatar with an exposed chest? Is visible blood/bone a red flag for algorithms? Can you wear suggestive clothing?

>>922193
I'm kinda confused on this myself, I honestly think there isn't really any genuine set rules or they act on them loosely sometimes hitting someone with a seemingly minor offense when there are others freely doing worse stuff
Regarding Twitch I think they have some proper guidelines for chicks attire and sexual stuff you can look at, Rene for example would be banned there because she has delicious underboob, but as you can clearly see girls with super exposing upper cleavage are ok

>>920026
Or just do both? Regardless of if you wait before or after you get your model, if your content sucks at the start then it sucks.

>>922382
Producing bad content is better than producing no content. And you can go from bad content to good content, but I don’t see how you make good content off the bat unless you practiced it before.
It doesn’t take a big brain to figure out that it’s better when the presentation and the content are good, but if you don’t have either, at least start.

>>920505
I wonder if these threads will have to be fragmented a little further. I don't know have something like /vtdc/ (vtuber design/concept) and maybe /vtts/ (vtubing tech support)

>>922583
Not that anon but I agree, Topkillgrean started out with really shitty Pivot animations but improved over the years with amazing works like Dark Under the Law. In fact, a lot of stick figure animators started out like this. DarthMaster5 from Hyun's Dojo is another example, he started his Dojo Duels career with really shitty pivot anims with his duelist "Devon" but a few seasons later he's doing amazing work with "Elenna".

Bump

Sorry /auds/. Gotta stay a hopeful now. There's too many on my plate that's blocking me. The goals of being a VTuber is not exactly relevant nor pressing enough to alleviate my problems now. Sorry. I'm a disappointment.
Also not posting any details here because muh cancel crowds and possible future antis. I just want to take extra care because 4chan (or 4channel) is not exactly a "trustworthy" side on the eyes of Internet normies.

>>927203
It's okay Anon. Were all gonna make it eventually

>>927644
It's maybe equal in suffering if not more as EN Gen1s. Not even YAGOO look after broken souls like mine.

>>927203
>>927728
This isn't a therapy session. Any comfort you get here will be empty platitudes. Shut up and get back on the horse or stay off.

>see a tuber with a similar niche than mine
>imediately check their subscriber count, upload schedule, date started, and quality of videos

I can't be the only one

>>927728
I don't think you should count too much on Yagoo's House for Broken Girls rrat. With stunningly few exceptions, most HL talents have some sort of prior content creation presence, regardless of their "yOu dOnT hAvE tO hAvE eXpErIeNcE!!!" hopebaiting. Better to concern yourself with making the best content you can, rather than counting at all on getting pity points, if you're really hellbent on actually playing for the varsity in the form of a big agency like HL

>>910368
Isn’t lilypichu actually a man? Or is that another rrat?

Does anyone have experience using Skeb to comission character designs? What was it like? Did the language barrier get in the way much? How did you navigate and find the artist you wanted? Any recommendations?

>>927936
I don't, suffering doesn't mean talent. Too bad my concept is probably too edgy for Enma, or Hololive in general which is a glorified Minecraft group now.

>>927997
I didn't use Skeb specifically, but I did use a foreign artist. I just browsed google until I found the quality I liked, for the price I liked, with open commissions. I came in "prepared" with more than just "I want a vtube character", so that probably helped--as in, I had the basic ideas for a design I wanted and what I wanted to be done with it. I can't say how it was for him but it seemed pretty smooth from my end.
At the end of the day if they can't help you that's that, if they want money they'll probably try at least as hard as you do to try and make it work.
As for recommendations, you might have luck looking at vtubers you like and going after their artists I guess. I, again, just searched through google and it somehow worked out.

>>927997
I just put in an order for an Indonesian artist on Fiverr after he bounced a couple sketches off of me. He was surprisingly supportive, I used a shitty generic animu character generator website to come up with a rough color pallet, gave him some of the backstory and a couple "I'd like X emphasized, also have him doing Y", and so far it's looking really good.
From my broad and deep experience of one whole chara design ever commissioned, it seems that someone who advertises character design specifically (as opposed to just illustration) should be able to work with you to get what you want, even if you only have a really vague idea. Bonus points, he was fairly fluent in English so no problems there even

I've done 7 streams with nobody in my chat, I would like to grow an audience

>>928402
What are you doing to promote yourself?

>>928501
r/virtualyoutubers
all the discords
attempting networking with other smaller streamers

>>928577
And you can't get a single person to watch your streams? What do you stream?

>>928602
whatever I feel like atm
melee, minecraft, random rpgs, movie watch alongs

>>928830
While you don't have to have a super-rigid format, it definitely helps if you have like once-or-twice-weekly scheduled streams that you will continue playing X in particular. It might not feel as free as just going "eh fuck it I'll play whatever", but being able to give potential dedicated viewers some semblance of expectation in what you're gonna do serves a purpose. Don't have to have literally everything you do scheduled out carefully a month in advance, but having dedicated "Friday Minecraft" nights or something specific gives an added feel of "I know what my chuuba will be doing X day, at least, if nothing else" that can strengthen a returning audience.

>>929043
thank you, I'll definitely try that
I'm stuck with a shitty vroid avatar (which I've changed enough most people don't think its vroid until I tell them) and a laptop that hardly works so I'm in a rough spot for streaming

>>928830
>>929123
Advertising on r/virtualyoutubers isn't going to get you very far, since most people don't bother to wade through all the garbage, low effort clips and introductions people flood the feed with and just look at whatever is getting voted high. Your game choices also seem pretty generic (minecraft) or non-conventional ('Random' RPG's and Melee) and don't tie together in any way, so people are likely to naturally gloss over you in favour of more specialised Vtubers
>Vroid avatar
You may say it's hard to recognise, but people avoid vroids pretty heavily so it might not be as changed as you think it is. I'd recommend getting that shit swapped out pronto, but you also have a shitty laptop so that takes priority even more...Do you at least have a good audio setup? Like an actually good one and not "good enough" audio setup? Do you have any plans for what you actually want to do with streaming? Any keyfabe you're trying to uphold?

>>929123
Yeah, no worries man. I just have noticed that the more successful streamers (let alone chuubas) that I've noticed tend to have some sense of familiarity in their streams, so that if nothing else you know they will at least play that one game.
It also helps you, the streamer, to have at least one or two known streams a week, so that way you aren't wracking your brain in indecision trying to figure out what to do next. You have a fallback of "well, even if I can't pick something/get something to work, in a couple days I'll have my normal X stream, I'll just remark that I'm having trouble making up my mind" and where applicable/if you have any semblance of a dedicated viewerbase, you can maybe get some audience engagement, i.e. "I really can't decide between starting Y and Z, you guys got any preferences?"

>>928402
>>928577
>>928830
Streaming is a grind and it'll take some time to build an audience, I've known people who have streamed for a month before they got one regular in chat, so you'll now have to build yourself a bit.
It seems that you're advertising for people who either are deep into the japanese vtuber hole or aren't not interested in other EN vtubers unless it's themselves or someone they can benefit from.
If you're not afraid of being associated with 4chan, /wvt/ may be a place to start, they may laugh at you but one or two people may and stick around.

>attempting networking with other smaller streamers
If you have no viewers, you won't get far. They want to have benefit, even if it's crosspolinating their 5 followers with your 4.

Also, consider the following:
-Are you putting your VODs on youtube?
-Are you Clipping good moments/making highlight compilations?
-Are you using these funny/interesting clips to shill yourself?
-Are you shilling yourself in the hellhole that is twitters?
-Do you have schedule?
-Are you waiting someone to pop up in chat to talk to you or are you conducting yourself as if you already have viewers? (if the former, do the latter).
-Are you actively engaging viewers on other streamer's chats and social networks?

One idea is to stick with one thing for a while - let's say you want to play the original Doom. Then play Doom from beggining to end and then move into Doom II or Wolfenstein - you may pigeonhole yourself into a niche, initially but that's not bad and when you branch out some of the audience may carry over. Or have a set of games that you keep on rotation on a fixed schedule that people may come to expect with regularity.
But more importantly, keep at it.

>>928577
i haven't had much experience networking in discords because i haven't gotten around to making a separate vtuber account, but as far as i can tell r/virtualyoutubers kind of sucks. at least, i haven't ever really noticed it helping much
as much as i hate to say it, it feels like gaining followers on twitter has helped me the most; i've had people pop in streams more frequently over time as i've been posting there

>>929330
>If you're not afraid of being associated with 4chan, /wvt/ may be a place to start, they may laugh at you but one or two people may and stick around.
not the anon you're replying to but i've considered posting myself there once i have a following big enough that it could be plausible that i wasn't self posting; how bad of an idea would that be

>>929304
>I'd recommend getting that shit swapped out pronto
for what? I suck at 3d modelling and drawing
>Do you at least have a good audio setup?
Not really, I'm working on that though
>Do you have any plans for what you actually want to do with streaming?
I want to build a small audience of people who share interests with me and/or to make friends
>>929315
>"I really can't decide between starting Y and Z, you guys got any preferences?"
I would do this if people would be there to vote but the rest of this information is top tier, thank you
>>929330
I'll give that a shot
>>929335
discord sucks
>>929449
honestly I want to avoid that

>Willing to drop the dosh on a L2D avatar
>Everyone in the $100-$200 range on Fiverr has like 10 commissions in queue, with 1-2 week delivery time minimum on each
>And that's just avatar artists, riggers are similarly booked up
W-well, guess I didn't want a chuuba avatar

>>929304
People will avoid you for whatever reason, for starters:
People may avoid you because you're using an anime avatar instead of an actual facecam.
Phen there's people who'll avoid you because you have a your face showing.
People will avoid you because you have a .png avatar.
People will avoid you because you're not a woman.
People will avoid you because your avatar is not a live2d.
People will avoid you if you live 2d is not good enough.
People will avoid you if you're not japanese.
People will avoid you because of your accent.
And many other reasosn, you can't please everybody.

There are people who got a following with V-Roids and only got live 2ds recently (Fukushima, for example), there are people who still are on Vroid's and have followings, there are people who built a following with a fucking PNG. There's people who got a following being a diesmbodied voice over footage. It really doesn't matter as much as you think.

>>929586
that... that helps a lot actually

>>929580
this is kind of the main reason why i looked to twitter because there's a lot of people who use the #commissions or #commissionsopen tag that would happily take requests
you have to wade through a lot of shit to find a style that's actually nice to lot at for a live2d though

>>929580
just go full shartemis and put 4-figures onto a god-tier avatar, probably won't see much competition for other buyers at that price range

>>929735
why would you do that to yourself

>>929735
This is what I'm doing. 900 on the art and 300 on the rigging

>>929829
I personally have a very narrow and specific vision for my channel, and quality of my model is the one thing I'm 100 percent not willing to compromise on

>>929494
>for what? I suck at 3d modelling and drawing
That's why you comission people to do that stuff. You don't have any sort of character you're trying to be? Catboy? Wolfboy? Anything?
>Not really
That isn't good chief. If you don't have a good avatar, audio or interesting selection of games to play, it's no wonder people aren't checking you out. It sounds like you jumped the gun way too early.
>I want to build a small audience of people who share interests with me and/or to make friends
In all honesty, it sounds like you'd be more fit to be a VRchat streamer than a Vtuber desu.

Either way it sounds like you're fucked in multiple aspects until you get some money. Maybe try using twitter to platform yourself so others can potentially see you? Using the vtuber tags can go a long way, as evidence enough by a majority of the anons here always recommending it and discovering indies via the tag in the western indie general.
>>929586
Of course people are going to avoid you for one reason or another, dipshit, but if the vtuber anon hasn't had a single fucking viewer stop by to check him out, and the only thing that he'd probably be using to advertise himself is those free-to-use, generic looking vroid avatars in a reddit thread filled to the brim with them, then that might be a major reason why people aren't noticing him. Most Vroid tubers that have a following of some sorts got in early and have the personality to retain the viewers despite the crappy avatar, or built a following before migrating to a Vroid avatar. With no unique design or visuals distinct enough from the thousands of other people, of course it's going to fucking matter.

In an industry where the main appeal is being a visually unique and interesting anime character, why would it NOT matter?

>>929735
I'm >>929580 , there's a reason I specifically am looking in the 100-200 ballpark. I'm not >>929886 , dude's pretty... optimistic.
>>929674
Yeah, I'm digging through twitter as well as I can, unfortunately finding the balance between people who are cost-effective but actually good (and not closed on commissions) and people who make super-detailed shit that costs a thousand bucks is difficult.

Rememinder that it's 100 percent to grow the quality of your channel, mic, avatar etc over time. HOWEVER ask yourself
>How many vtubers do I personally watch with my current mic quality
>How many do I watch with my current rigging quality
>How many do I watch that stream as infequently as I do

I think it might honestly be worth trying to learn to draw and/or rig, because if you can do it, you can make your own model free of charge, learn a skill that other people would pay you to do and on top of that, you could turn it into content for streaming. I don't know about the rest of you but I find rigging streams absolutely hypnotic.

>>922614
Perhaps, but I do wonder if concept ideas threads might be slow due to people being cagey about showing what they are working on, "original character do not steal" and all that.

>>929973
It is difficult; I will agree. The artist I got literally had single digit followers and posted irregularly but i was lucky enough to catch a post from them and that was that. I only had to pay $100 for my art with all the proper separation of layers and i'd like to think my art came out on the better looking end of things. sometimes its just about timing

>>919560
It's not just the presentation, you have to have a track record as a content creator of some type and I'm worried there's no point in applying this year if all I have are some fandubs.

>>929926
>but if the vtuber anon hasn't had a single fucking viewer stop by to check him out
But that's not what he said.
He said he had no activity in chat - people may as well have checked him, lurked for a bit and thought he was boring and left, the avatar in such cases may not have been a consideration at all.
Of course the Avatar has appeal, but that's not the make or break for anything, otherwise, Kano would have gotten no attention at all with her scuffled avatar.
Again, it doesn't matter as much as you think.
> reddit
People on reddit couldn't care less about western vtubers unless they're Ironmouse or Melody-tier big.
There's some png vtuber japanese babiniku who says he wants to speak english but his content is as low effort as it gets and he'll make front page of r/virtualyoutuebers on a slow-day on the Niji/Holo front - half-decent japanese indies just get there by posting a mangled google-translated introduction.
Meanwhile there are good western vtubers with nice avatars who will be lucky to make the bottom of the front page on a good day, and all it takes for it to happen is getting 10 upvotes yet they won't now that the japanese learned they can link dump there and thirsty weebs will just upvote after seeing the word "Japanese".

>>931253
Yeah, the whole "we don't care if you don't have a body of work!" thing is probably a red herring meant to seem more inclusive, just like the "males can apply too!" thing.

>>931253
Just apply, maybe you'll luck out.
Then start working on building a track record so you'll be ready for the next auction.

>>931340
>Then start working on building a track record so you'll be ready for the next AUDITION.
Correcting myself.
Polite sage.

>>919455
To make a living by acting cute and having fun.

>>919455
I wanna be the male equivalent to Ina. Super chill, low sodium, comfy and relaxing streams. But I have no skill other than eating like a slob.

>>919455
making friends

>>931311
>>but if the vtuber anon hasn't had a single fucking viewer stop by to check him out
>But that's not what he said.
>He said he had no activity in chat - people may as well have checked him, lurked for a bit and thought he was boring and left, the avatar in such cases may not have been a consideration at all.
>Of course the Avatar has appeal, but that's not the make or break for anything, otherwise, Kano would have gotten no attention at all with her scuffled avatar.
>Again, it doesn't matter as much as you think.
can confirm I'm boring

>>931340
True! The odds are totally bad, but there's no reason not to try and then try again with some streaming experience next time.
>>931319
Yeah, that's in direct contradiction with
>You have a proven track record as a content creator (including, but not limited to, gaming, music, and illustration)

from the applicant's point of view, you lose nothing just applying
from Hololive's point of view, if they take you on, they're going to spend time, money, and resources getting you a Live2D set up, streaming devices, social media marketing, back end staff support, etc.

makes complete sense why they want to see that you're someone who is not only disciplined enough to stream consistently but also someone who has shown that initiative prior to working as an employee.

>>931600
Good thing that it can be worked on.
If I may help with a tip: smile. Your brain can't differentiate between a fake and a real smile and makes you feel a little more upbeat - and that comes out in your voice. Even if you're not the hype kind of person, that may make the difference between being boring and being chill/comfy.
Also, always imagine you have a friend you're talking to, don't view it as public speaking but rather having a conversation with someone sitting across the table - you have to keep your voice at a volume that they can listen.

>>931449
>But I have no skill other than eating like a slob.
That may actually be good enough:
>https://youtu.be/J_Ef4W1lPj8
>https://youtu.be/OGe1vlkeN1k?list=PL21eXBudfJ5EPa54rREeLV0FttLXXDpB_&t=393

>>932132
>That may actually be good enough:
male debuff though :(

>>932340
Guys are naturally better at everything, so the debuff is really just levelling the playing field.

>>932132
I'll give that a shot
>>932413
cringe take

>>932413
>Guys are naturally better at everything
yikes

>>918686
Alright im about a 3rd of the way through. Is it at least decent for a temporary solution?

>>932486
I'd say so, I use vroid myself lol

>>932486
cute eyes

>>932340
Hasn't stopped Eric the Electric.
And there will always be someone who has an advantage over you or is better than you at anything you try - and even if you're the best in the world someone will be aiming for your head and will eventually take you down.
So don't let that stop you from trying if that's what you actually want.

>>932486
Looks good, doesn't even look like vroid.
If you told me you were scratch-building it in blender I'd believe it.

>>932565
Stop lying to people, anon.
>>932486
It's cute but it's still obviously vroid.

>>932656
is there even a problem with using vroid if it doesn't look bad

>>932656
Not lying, it looks like something someone learning blender could create. Obviously is not high-level work but it's something I could see showing up in a dime-a-dozen MMO like those who appeared between 2007~2012 trying cash in on WoW's popularity.

>>932700
There's none.
Some people have a hate-boner for vroid because they see using the default model as lazy and others seethe hard because people may get good looking avatars for free when they couldn't modify stuff themselves and had to pay.

>>932758
It still feels like vroid too me, I think it's the head shape but I spend hours in vroid fucking around so I may just be hyperfocused to the look.

>>912389
Theres a new humble bundle with royalty free music and loops.

>>933071
You know what also the outlines.

>>933071
The outlines are also a big part with the hair outlines being customized but the face and body ones not. You can change that in unity and I remember it not being too hard.

>>933267
>not just making your own basic bgm loop
ngmi

>>933633
Based.

>>933267
I really like the rock music pack but all of them seem way too energetic for background music. Thanks for donating 25 dollarydoos

>>933633
brb this man is a genius time to make my own

>>933633
post your music then, if you're so great

don't worry, I wont steal ;^)

>>934425
if you steal you will be de-anoned and we will all call you a pos

>>934458
Jokes on you, I get off on getting called a pos

>>933633
How hard is this to do

>>934425
https://files.catbox.moe/wm7jio.mp3
Shredded the audio quality, mis-balanced instrument levels, and recorded from in the middle of a 'verse' just for you bro ;-)

>>934992
actually so good, mine sounded like sleep paralysis

>>927997
Don't use Skeb for that. You get no retakes, don't have any communication with the artist other than the initial request, and I'm pretty sure the ToS disallows using it for commercial purposes.
You could try finding an artist you like on Skeb and contacting them directly to see if they'd take on a commission though.

>>900399
Are we allowed to share our 5 minute audition vids for criticisms, or are they supposed to be for Hololive's eyes only?

>>935807
supposed to be hololive only

>>935963
Aww man

>>936005
why don't you just record a second audition for us?

>>936033
Hmm, like with a different concept but showing off the same skills? That would be fun, to see what everyone here has to offer!

>>936130
that would be so sick

>>919455
>get into a popular group
>learn all the drama
>unleash real rrats on /vt/

>>936791
or to the police if its normal idol tier shit

>>917775
I don't think any fujos are simping for Kerin.

>>919455
i want to raise enough money in my streams to help my little sister go to college

>>937330
That's very wholesome, anon.
Do you think you'll make it?

>>937330
de-anon yourself right now we are all subbing to this guy

>>937381
to be honest, not really since i dont have the money for a good set up, im hoping i can just get by via being nice to everyone and hoping they're nice to me back.
any popularity i get is probably just because i do fan art for people sometimes haha
>>937423
aCK , thank you, but my paypal is broken at the moment so i cant accept any money right away (which is ok, just making people happy for now with my streams is also nice), but if you really want to follow my twitter is https://twitter.com/keryg88745851
i hope you dont mind that my model is currently being rigged, so i just use a png in my streams :')

>>937486
i feel like being able to do art is a huge buff starting out
it seems like the fastest way that i've seen people get followers on twitter is by doing art raffles or giveaways
the niceness also helps a lot too and is about as much as i have to offer myself

>>937750
art raffles seems like a very good idea!! i might put one together at some point

anon who was looking to start an educational vtuber here. i just saw the "debut" of that spirit university vtuber agency thing post a couple of threads back. i want to puke.

>>938877
can you fill me in I'm neither who you were referring to or knowing what you are talking about

>>939010
was planning on an educational vtuber as an untapped gimmick and another anon shared this: https://www.youtube.com/c/SpiritUniversity some indie vtuber "agency" whose whole shtick is vtuber teachers. the first 'teacher' had 'her' debut today.

>>939054
I don't really see the issue with it

>>938877
Hey man, dont be intimidated. Agencies in a niche are always bound to happen. Either adapt or audition

>>938877
i skipped around a bit in the debut video but at least the teacher was talking about the subject matter
it looks like they're only covering those four subjects for now though so as long as what you wanted to teach doesn't tie in with that i don't think it would particularly be direct competition

>>900399
I can't get my audition up to 5 minutes, only 4 ;_;
I think I might make up a song for my character, is that a good idea?

>>940428
If you can actually sing yeah

>>940428
yeah might be a good way to fill the extra time if you can make a song for yourself

>>940443
>>940644
Nice. I am going to write a cute, minute-ish song about my character then. Wish me luck my fellows!

>>940748
good luck

>>932413
based

seeing pre-debuts with more twitter followers than me is so disheartening

>>941678
I dunno
There are people who don't use Twitter at all who do fine.
Focus less on clout and more on content, and it'll go places.

>>941678
some things to consider here:
-A lot of them might be using old accounts/have had their accounts for longer than you
-A lot of pre-debuts do still actually stream so they're still making content
Its disheartening to see but also consider that the only factor you have control over is yourself
you never know how long the predebuts will last or want to keep up with streaming (i've seen more than a few people pre and post debut drop out in my short time being active on social media).
i saw someone hit triple digit followers in a much faster timeframe than i did despite not making any content though which was confusing but sometimes you just get found by people

>>940748
Post the song part when you're done.

I wanna see

>>941678
twitter doesnt matter what matters is the content you make
Ganbate and never give up

Stuck at 3 twitter followers for days

>>942482
I'm stuck at 0

>>942482
>>942548
how many people have you all followed? is your account very obviously a vtuber account?

>>942635
I only follow like 5 people, and it has the vtuber thing on it

>>942635
>is your account very obviously a vtuber account?
No but I intend to prioritize traditional style youtube with a vtuber model as my avatar rather than the traditional setup, so I was worried that advertising myself as a vtuber for now would alienate people.
Should I do it anyway? Regardless I'm not going to until my art is done at least

>>942946
Also I'm following around 50 people but most of them are big youtubers and news publications, nobody who Id expect to follow back

Here's a niche for you to fill, a /k/ommando Vtuber.
Dress your character with an Adidas and you will already gain all of Russia as your fanbase

>>942973
just start following every small vtuber

>>943023
>Dress your character with an Adidas
literally already exists

>>942760
>only follow like 5 people
unless you're making content that is tagged for people to be interested enough to click follow you'll probably need to follow more people to get more followers if you want to reach out to more people. as much as i hate to say it, at the very least starting out thats how you'll get eyes on you if you don't have something to show off
>>942973
yeah if you want to see the follower number go up you'll probably need to at least start following smaller vtubers or content creators making similar content
i'm almost at 200 followers by just following vtubers that are around my following size and through this way you'll have more people to interact with. even though there's a lot of overlap in the vtuber community, if you both have 100 followers but only have 50 people that you mutually follow, you're still getting more eyes on your content if you interact with them

>>943218
>you'll probably need to at least start following smaller vtubers
So do you think I should start advertising myself as a vtuber now even though my art isn't ready?
Full transparency, I'm doing a star wars channel with a Mandalorian-esque model. I always intended to appeal to the vtuber crowed to a certain extent, but prioritize the star wars youtubing community since there isn't an overwhelming amount of overlap and was worried that going too far in the anime-esque vtuber direction will turn off what I want more core audience to be

Wait a second... Do you actually believe that you're gonna make it'

>>943373
follow vtubers if you want, but don't expect anything from them. other vtubers aren't the audience you should be aiming for anyway, since they'll have their own streams and own stuff. you should be looking to advertise yourself to people you actually want to be part of your audience.

>>943373
If the case is that you don't have anything at all ready then yeah I would probably wait until you have something to show off, especially since you're not trying to cater to just the vtuber audience; i wouldn't expect followers until you have something to show off, even if its your character art.
I've never tried shilling towards a specific fandom so i'm not sure how you'd go about that; maybe make posts involving star wars related hashtags or something?

>>943438
no

>>943493
>maybe make posts involving star wars related hashtags or something?
Yeah I do that already. It's how I got my few followers but I know that the vtuber community is much more passionate about supporting their content creators

>>943438
we all have different definitions of making it
i just want to make a complete series of my studies over the next year and if i can commit to that i don't really care how small i am
that's not to say that i won't try to push myself and try and get more eyes on me but i won't be torn if i'm still under 4 digits after a year

>>943538
Hell man even hitting 3 digits sounds like a goal

>>943438
i don't think i'll ever get super big, but i don't exactly want to 'make it' to begin with, i'd be happy if i made a few people smile and if i could have enough money to support a good cause

>>943585
you're right and i was mostly referring to twitter numbers for that
i'd be ecstatic if i hit triple digit follows on twitch but as long as i have people who talk in my chat i don't mind the number
the feeling of having a name that you see regularly when you stream is really nice, especially when they're talking with you the whole stream

>>943438
Making a living is end end end goal for me. In reality I'd be happy just finding a community of friends

>>942416
Oh sure! Hopefully this isn't a bad idea. I should clarify, I am not good at singing but I think, okay enough at it and can maintain a voice while doing it. Though I'm not actually sure which voice I want to use for my audition yet. https://voca.ro/16xPii0fwGKC Anyway this is my hamster ditty.

>>944212
Your voice is 10/10

>>944212
getting solid Risu vibes

>>944212
I know a couple of vtubers get referred to as different names depending on the kind of singing voice they use like how Risu has her Risu voice and her Ayunda voice

>>943538
>>943690
>>943841
Nice answers. I have nothing but respect for you all now, godspeed.

>>944285
Ah, cool! Thanks anon!
>>944312
>>944456
Huh, I never payed as much mind to the ID girls but I was totally surprised by Risu's singing voice. It sounds like, a traditionally nice singing voice! Not really very animu, just nice.

>>940428
FOR FUCK'S SAKE INA TALKED ABOUT BANANAS FOR HER AUDITION CAN YOU NOT MAKE AN AUDITION THAT LASTS FOR AT LEAST FIVE?

>>945842
MAYBE I AM JUST TOO LOW CHARISMA FOR THE JOB ANON!

>>945898
WHAT KIND OF THINGS DO YOU LIKE? WHAT DO YOU TEND TO DO ON THE WEEKENDS?

>>945949
WELL I LIKE ALL SORTS OF THINGS, BUT THE AUDITION IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN CHARACTER SO I WROTE IN THE PERSPECTIVE OF A CHARACTER I MADE UP, AND TALKED ABOUT IT'S DAILY LIFE AND INTERESTS, ITS GOALS AND WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE A CREATURE OF THAT SORT. ALSO INA SANG A SONG TOO! SO FILLING IN TIME WITH A SONG IS A PERFECTLY SENSIBLE DECISION! NOW IT IS PERFECTLY AT 5 MINUTES, SO I JUST NEED TO RECORD A BETTER VERSION TOMORROW!

>>945949
>>946111
retards

>>946111
NOT THAT ANON, BUT GOOD LUCK

In order to avoid being one of those "Debut: TBA" people, when is the best time to actually start a twitter account?

I've got a friend artist working on a concept art of my character, and I was planning to just stream with that as an image at first until I can figure out how to do rigging myself.

My character will be a nonhuman type though, so hopefully that will make things easier.

Do you think dubbing Saya no Uta would reflect applicants poorly?

>>947567
I wanted to avoid being a debut TBA and waited until i got my live2D and then debuted like two days later
the first few streams were very empty but after a week i started getting viewers more consistently
if i could have done anything differently, it would have been to spend at least a week or two more building up my debut
pngtubing is more than fine; if you want to start streaming as your character it would probably be a good idea to start once you get your art.
i'd even ask your artist to make an open and closed mouth version of your art for reactive pngs

>>900399
>don't be TBA vtuber just make content
>all these TBA vtubers seem to do a lot better building hype and networking

Starting out, being a part of a community is a lot smarter than just waiting and debuting and not doing anything. Twitter matters early on in your career, it's how you meet people.

>>947870
Idk anon but it really looks like all the vtubers try to follow each other, but those are vtubers and not the actual people who watch the streams

>>947870
The people saying not to hype yourself up are just elietists who think that they are great at giving good advice because it's contrary to what actually is an obviously good idea.
All 4chan threads on niche hobbies like this get this way

>making content and hyping yourself is somehow mutually exclusive
?

>>949708
I won't lie; there does tend to be a lot of overlap but like i said earlier,
>if you both have 100 followers but only have 50 people that you mutually follow, you're still getting more eyes on your content if you interact with them
Even then, the vtuber community does seem to be supportive of each other at the very least; we can't be streaming 24/7 so when off stream a lot of them tend to stop by each others chats
making friends and collabing with them also gives you the chance to get exposure for your channel

>>950169
Exactly this. Being a streamer is 50% content and 50% marketing. There's no point in making content if no one's gonna see it and streaming to 0-1 viewers for hours on end is incredibly demoralizing. I've been there. People say to just make content and people will come, but that requires a lot of luck and most people never make it past the 0 viewer rut.
Making a Twitter, marketing yourself, and connecting with other creators is not a bad thing, no matter what the autists with no social skills on here try to tell you. It's how you get your first 100 followers, your first few loyal viewers, then from that point it becomes infinitely easier to grow.
Just don't get inflated expectations about your Twitter follower count or lose sight of actually making content, because only a tiny fraction of your Twitter follows will actually convert into viewers. It's still better than nothing though.

>>950741
Yeah this is also an important thing to consider when starting from 0; despite almost being at 200 followers on twitter, about 25 of them have actually followed me on twitch, and i can say that I have maybe 3-5 who have regularly visited my streams
But that's still better than nothing and it really does feel good when people come to talk with you

new, carrying over the content creation vs marketing balance discussion as the question of the thread.

>>951229
>>951229
>>951229

>>932486
A few changes made thank you for the feedback anons. Also god bless the poor bastards that make all those vroid tutorials.

>>947567
Prep everything early, then set a distant date, a month or two.
Start building an audience using socials then.

>>906816
joining vshojo?