/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

wah!

>they're buying everything
dump eet

>>9124494
nice

The game is over now lads

>>9125574
uhhhh, based abayo?

I took too long to babayo with this

Don't mean to drag it at new bread but the thread archived before I could post it.
>>9125272
Or at least if the devs ever decided to accept the idea of making a spreadsheet, don't just distribute it publicy. Make those who want or need it email them with accompanied username or wallet-id so devs can know who are using the said spreadsheet and make it so the players use a non-disposable or a non 1 use email else devs wont give it.

>Nobody has been tracking inflation or warning about it!
First of all, that's completely incorrect. The devs have been aware of inflation for ages and most of the decisions in the game have been BECAUSE they want to fight inflation. Superchats and Gacha were added to remove liquid from the pool.
Second, they're called the Recurring Inflation Starter's Estimate and Recurring Inflation Coin Holdings reports. RISE and RICH aren't just funny words I picked for the reports in Numbers Review. They're literally a barometer for inflation. For a while, inflation was SO bad it needed a daily report. It is...possibly less bad now. It's still pretty bad, but not "daily report to track how bad" level.

If you're gonna FUD, do it accurately.

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>>9125686
Or if username and wallet id isn't enough proof, a screenshot of their profile page would surely suffice. This is of course only if the devs agrees with the idea of them creating and privately distributing a spreadsheet as a substitute for a side server trader.

>>9125686
>>9126132
we've had new players before but this is a new level

As to combat the overinflation of the economy, How about introducing a system where you can purchase buffs for the day, with exponential cost for subsequent purchases and resetting once a week on divvie day? It should whittle down the amount of money floating around but still feel rewarding to those who do use it. It'll be a bitch to code, I'm sure, but I think it'll be a better option than gacha or superchats.
Another option that isn't taxes would be "living cost". Make it a weekly deduction from divvies, and be able to upgrade your living situation and deduct things like rent, food, and other payments. Add more things to flex besides the oshiboard like making the "jets" and "yachts" an item in game (not gacha tho)

no lol

if the poor really wants to tax me, at least make it worth my time, killing gains without returns is a poor game design. the problem with these kind of suggestions is that only a certain kind of player affected. TAX EVERYONE EQUALLY then im ok with it

Coco-anon, if you're still here, could you do the Skittles analysis of my coinbag?

>>9127037
just slash 2 zeroes from everything or 3
>coin value
>liquid
>both of those equate to your networth
>divvies as they are *0.005 (so minus 2 zeroes as well as halved)
>from there adjust the algo a bit

>>9127110
utterly average with a meta-spread as dictated by the threads.
Your worst coins are Aki, Ame, Ina, Azki and the worst coin you have a dangerous amount of is Nene (145 = can't even sell them all in a day)

>>9127037
How would you define equality? Same rate of 10%? A flat 10k/week? A 12% increase to the cost of a coin per purchase?
To start the tax discussion, Why do we have taxes? We use taxes for the state and federal government to generate revenue to fund their expenses. But we wouldn't see the benefits because we have no government on nasfaq.Therefore taxes wouldn't make sense beyond "too much money, fuck it we're removing it"

everyone's ideas suck because they all penalize "the rich" when all theyve done is played the game longer than others, which is a bullshit reason. PVP will always have winners and losers. if you want everyone to feel like a winner, remove the PVP. delete the leaderboards.

>>9127188
slashing zero is not fixing inflation. lower numbers in the market means nothing

>>9125600
>game resets when a players achieves Jeff Bezos' net worth

Fuck taxes.
You have to pay to stay on an oshiboard, based on the coin's dividend payout, irrelevant to her price and your volume.
This would simultaneously have the effect of culling dead accounts from the board and removing liquid from the pool, while posing a bigger risk to blind monocoin trading.

>>9127523
>Fuck taxes
>Let's tax the oshiboards instead
ogey

>>9127398
Taxes penalizes me for playing the game for no returns because taxing the rich = fixing the economy apparently. i want everybody to feel the brunt of every single suggestion, so if im losing 10%, evverybody loses 10%, yay

>>9127425
best ideas out of nearly 3 months of timeloops is seasons and even that would divide the playerbase, EVEN if you split the wallets into seasonal and permanent because you can only do one adjustment optimally at a time.
But if we want fresh wind in the game, there has to be something slashed from the existing process.

Also people seeing cypher hitting 1KK as the turning point here - the whole fucking market is overinflated and the dude has close to 70k coins, just bringing the retarded algo down to prices from 3 months ago and then enforcing some kind of competition BETWEEN THE COINS (i.e. their combined divvies can only be 50k or something so all ups and downs are relative) would already help.
In this case don't do it to the networth or this will become marine stack simulator, if we do it to the divvies you get at least two different playstyles I guess.
It all boils down to the algo and how we can even tweak it.

Finally green for the day, I am very good at this game

it all boils down to making cool guilds that forcefully take 90% of poor member's income to do absolutely nothing with it

>>9127425
Same anon who wrote >>9126667
How would this penalize the rich? This one incentivizes engagement for the rich, where a lot of the wealth disparity lies, to spend their money for improvement in getting more coins which should be the main goal desu, what's the point of money if you can't flex it? while allowing the newfags and poorfags to also benefit from the system and get more wealth, where they can be smart or dumb with it.

1. Why the fuck does Microsoft let you install Edge on Server Core 2016? How can it even launch it without the GUI?!
2. Why does Microsoft still think I am a student?
3. Why does this actually work...

Yes, you can run NASFAQ on a complete shitbox of a free Azure VM.

>>9127372
Ouch. Somehow, utterly average is worse than creatively bad.
This is about what I expected, I barely had the time to play for the past two weeks. My oshi being the current metacoin doesn't help either.
Either way, thank you Coco-anon.

>>9127914
because optional money sinks dont solve the problem. if they help you get richer, it just compounds it the issue, and if they dont, people just wont use it.

>>9127923

why would giving money to poorfags fix inflation

>>9125600
>>9125678

If guilds war are added and cypher doesn't finance the ame empire I swear to god I'm gonna find him and rape his tight seanig bussy

>>9128082
Cypher, Ayunda, Rean and Nigger Plans will finance the oshichanger mafia

>>9128182
you can finance deez nuts

You know what? reset the market, im interested to the clusterfuck the thread will devolve in

>>9127523
kys

>>9128182
I'm gonna find all of them, I'll hunt them down like rrats and make them my submssive femboys slave. I'm gonna rape them every single day untile they have more wrinkles in their assholes than they have in their brains. And with my harem of submissive slave I will retire and live a peaceful life in the country side until I die of heart attack during one of our exreme sex sessions.

Hi guys. Two days ago I started working on a new sheet similar to the old Haatonsheet without some of its problems. This sheet is written compatible with the new API and designed with the server's load in the highest priority, which means during normal operation it should send all your orders in only one request, once every 10 minutes. I've been using it for the past two days and it hadn't generated any visible problems either with cycles or with server-load. So it should be fine.

It's currently capable of the following tasks:

Trading automatically on Google servers once every 10 minutes and 2 seconds. The 2 seconds delay had to be done to ensure no cycles are submitted before cooldown without sending additional requests to the server. It should only lose you about 0.5 cycles per day. Can be changed in the code if you know what you're doing. I might also later add an option to change it in the sheet

The sheet automatically stops 10 minutes before adjustments and comes with an auto-setup button after adjustments.

Trading wise, it can either trade with fixed options(buy/sell until changed) or trade towards a targeted amount

This is currently a pre-release. I'll add things that make setting up a easier later and the sheet might contain bugs. The code is in a lot of parts inspired by haatondev's code so big thanks to him. Also, you're welcome to check all the code in the script editor. Feedback would be really welcomed.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MzIID-GzyrSul1C3NY56J9Gez9y5YanLlc-htScbMdg/

>>9128604
Also, my bad habit of holding too much liquid really screwed me over here. I dropped like 4 on the leaderboards and it will probably only get worse. I just hope I don't fall off the t50s

>>9128604
not again...

>>9128604
oh boy, here we go.

>>9128604
Tell me your oshi so I can call you a nigger withouth dropping names when this thing bogs the server

>>9128604
mycket texto

>more offline sheet trading
>devs still allow this while crying muh game balance
show a lot about the game's current state

>>9127761
Someone listened to me

(Or someone else had the same idea)

>>9110896
>through one of your average coins which would be hololive, a 20% ROI coin, this already looks quite devastating, and looking at the MPPs on some of these coins you better hope EN2 stay good divvies coins this week, this looks very grim otherwise.
I don't know how to prepare for divvies but it's fine because Polka negates all of my bad decisions.

>>9128604
The server's wounds are still fresh Anon...

>>9128024
A forced money sink isn't much better, because it just robs people of their wealth, and there is no trade off. Real taxes have some physical returns, as much as I don't wanna admit it.
A way we can do it would go all socialist and change divvies from a 'Per coin' basis to a reward for being active. Take the 10% idea brought up earlier, and split it between the active players. "Active players" being defined as those who make trades throughout the week. Say, 3 days where trades occured? If you trade for 3 days in a week you're eligible for divvies, which should kill off the corpses by taking their money and giving it to the active people
Just spitballing though

>>9127489
I'll just faff about this every timeloop now.

You're right, that actually changes fuck all.
The target needs to be forcing the player to more trade-offs in the day. If I buy this metacoin now, I can not afford the other one, how did the streams perform, what are the numbers again etc.
Right now the top 100 have almost zero trade-offs in the game. A coin goes down and is a good deal - either buy 144 or buy 70 and 70 of another dip maybe. Sell some green to also buy dip #3 as well. No dips today? Selling time, but do I bog myself tomorrow? etc.
Right now, selling is dumb if you can't spend your liquid until divvies then. Every coin sold just means you lose coin count, ever coin held for more than one week basically doubles the money you get back from it (i.e. get 3k from Suisei one week, 2k the next week, 5k in those two weeks for the same 9k spent. Shit also accumulates. So just never sell if you have enough liquid anyways, all the not accumulating you cause is wasted money).
Shifting your whole fucking wallet to set it up as good as you can to fit it to the week's performance of the chuubas you buy is the goal, tough luck if the max you can move is 1008 coins but you have 3-6k of the fucking things.

Here's a system that could work, I'm too tired to care:
- Coins are weekly, they're force sold at the end of the week
- You can either daytrade them away for a profit OR they'll be force-exchanged into Shares of that Chuuba
- Shares make you have a part of that Chuuba's company, here's the setup for those things:
- JP 0-5 are their own companies, EN1+Irys, EN2, ID
- All the mamas go to their respective child's company (Ui JP2, Nana JP2, Nabi EN1, Pochi ID, Ayamy JP 1, Civia is removed because fuck her, Coco is the new Civia
- Coins don't adjust anymore. Their price is entirely player-driven
- Shares show a number which indicates how many of them are given out at the end of the week if the numbers stay like they are right now
- End of week - divvies time. Divvies are decided by the accumulated stats of the whole company (Mamacoins are trash anyways) and you are paid like so:
-> the entire pot is divided onto the shares according to their parts in the pot, ex:

Gen3coin made 6 million views, 5 chuubas are in there: Marine gave out 400 shares, Peko 300, Rushia 300, Noel and Flare 100 each (=1200 total)
So Marine gets 1/3rd of the pot (2M), Peko and Rushi 1/4th (1.5M) and Noel and Flare 1/12th (500k) each, that way dividends won't circle around one metacoin and are more guesswork. From that starting viewcount all the other formulaparts can apply like subs etc. maybe even individual to that chuubas payout, which is then distributed between all shares. This should prevent Metacoins and same-y wallets.

What are the decisions:
- which coins to buy, which coins to hold for divvies or sell off before for profit, which companies to invest in, which specific chuuba to invest in, how many retarded oshicoiners you have to share with, which shares to collect early on for bigger events later on etc.

r8 h8 masturb8 this would bring a little game inbetween raw numbers and gains, there is ways to lose (buy what would've been a metacoin now, you're not alone, enjoy no divvies at all because too many shares, should've sold lol), might become a share collecting game soon enough, balancing is always key of course.

>>9127761
Divvy idea sounds nice

>>9128604
Thanks for this anon

>>9127372
Hey do me, please.

>>9128604
"I still think only people who understand what they're doing should be using outside tools, given the debacle we just experienced with runaway sheets." -Honk
...

>>9129121
>Civia is removed because fuck her, Coco is the new Civia

>>9128604
>auto-setup button after adjustments
make it buy a single Civiacoin on setup so the user knows it works would be one of my suggestions, they can just sell it later, costs you like $2-3

Kronii did an Ina wah

>>9128965
you either buy coins cheap compared to their divvies you expect (had a banger week? yeah you can go a little higher) or you just YOLObuy some coins before Friday night and sell them precisely at divvies but that'll fuck your numbers if you don't sell completely. Your pick.

>>9129232
I'm humbled anyone even reads that far, I draw my hat.

>>9129421
I read the whole thing. Even if it is a wall of text, it shows you put more thought into it than the smoothbrains suggesting slashing zeros off numbers will somehow fix the problem. You can do that yourself with a userscript.

>>9127523
how about taxing Cypher?

>>9129378
You never analyzed my wallet this time, or yours.

>>9129378
It's getting really difficult to do the latter... I'll try to remember not to sell this week.

>>9128604
Nice, I can finally fall asleep without my 7 year old videocard drilling my eardrums.

is he late? or is my time off

>>9129356

>>9129059
yes thats my point, the only way to solve this is to find a system that wipes the leaderboards regularly (seasons, or something) or just remove the leaderboards completely.

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>>9129155
last one today because I WILL sleep after this one.
23.9% oshicoin at 17% ROI, you fucked up unless you sell the Anniversary a bit. More than triple of your second most coin is oshicoin with a bad %. The pekos are good but the other 3 coins in the top 5 are EN2 coins, risky risky.
You have 7 positions >30% ROI on divvies, one of which is Ayamy with a whopping payout of $3k weekly.
As I said, now is really not the moment to build up new, good positions and the meta should change soon, but I hope you daytrade a lot of what you have away or might run into holding some bags later on.
Your 28 Ayamy are adorable but give you as much as 1 shion for the price of one of your Iofis.

>>9129907

>>9129552
you didn't ask and I analyzed my own for myself finding out I have way too many Mikos, who would've guessed

>>9129565
the market right now is ridiculously shit, last week and this week until the EN2 spike I usually had 6-10 coins on buy for the day.

>>9129529
I sometimes throw zimbabwe in just for people to get urged to think of something better than that and it's out of the way, kinda like speeding up the timeloop.

>>9129907
>19:05:15

>>9129923
>23.9% oshicoin at 17% ROI, you fucked up unless you sell the Anniversary a bit. More than triple of your second most coin is oshicoin with a bad %.
Uhhhh about that
Thanks anon, sleep tight, don't let the haatons bite you

>>9129985
I did ask...>>9121187

>>9129907
>oyasumi, zhonkbot
didn't tell him that for 4 days straight now.

>>9130255
oh of course I knew that when I saw my own fucking wallet
too many marine you're a slave to the waves, good callis good pekos, too many small shitcoin positions, all in all low ROI of 26%and holy hell you paid ~30M more than me for ~3M more expected divvies payout. Might fuck you majorly after the meta shift, might not, who the fuck knows what even comes.

>>9130639
before you go can you please do cypher? I'm really about curious how it looks for him

>>9129907
I have my Zhonkbot set up and tab out of the site by 9:15 lol

>>9130717
What looks like a bad Fubuki is just this week being weird.
$143,454,989.32 projected divvies (will be more),
27.53% ROI,
$521,053,466.14 paid for all of that.

>>9130717
here's a bonus, he's bogproof

>tfw meeting nurseanon in denver tomorrow
do you think she'll let me see her wallet?

>>9130717
$15,971.17 is the MPP on his Marine btw.

>>9130931
>>9130988
holy shit that spread, what a fucking legend
thanks for doing cypher bro

>>9131043

>>9129820
If there is no leaderboard then why play? Without comparing the success or failures of ourselves there is even less of a reason to play. If we do seasonal wipes, then my progress really doesn't matter and it loses the main element: being fun.
Wiping will solve the issue of there being too much money, but it will solve it by killing off a good chunk of the playerbase. It's not healthy, just look at destiny 2 when they brought sunsetting. It killed the game and brought the player base to the lowest numbers since year one.
My point was specifically against yours; Taking away people's resources without compensation is not good. Giving people a worthwhile option to use up money without forcing the players hand's will naturally dwindle down the amount of currency in circulation, and tone down inflation.
The gacha system had good intentions but fell short due to its reliance on luck rather than investment. Making jeb a "5 million spent" item rather than "spend 5 million to statistically get" item gives less incentive for the item. I got 2 jebs in 100k, and some people spent millions and still don't have the item.

TLDR rng bad don't buy towa

I have no idea what these graphs are

>>9131196

>>9131196
>you see,anon......

>>9131086
You'll know who these two are, two more legends.
Aight, I'm out for real.

>>9131359
>not using the sound post
kys

>>9131476
There's a soundpost? I didn't know
:(

The true way to fix everything is remove/cap dividends at a certain amount or after a certain rank (so new fags still can have some help) and add multicoin, if you want to keep buying little by little you can do it but your no/capped divs are going to run out so you'll have to sell, furthermore if you are feeling lucky you yolo everything into some coins and see BIG bogs or wins, although they would have to mess with volatility so coins don't jump up and down too hard

>>9131656
I won't play without divvies because I can't play 24/7.

Phoneposters, how does zhonkbot work on mobile? Can I let it run in the background?

>>9131656
I'd love multicoin, but the question is where will we draw the line for no divvies? One million net worth? Top 250?
Besides that I'd be down for that system

>>9131880
>get no divvies
>can buy 1000 of a coin though with my liquid
>see a dip
>buy 1000
>dip is gone
thank me later.

>>9132006
>next adjustment comes
>he overbought? dump eet
>coin goes down
nice strat retard

>>9132006
>Oh, you weren't quick enough to profit off the dip? Sucks to suck
guess multicoin with a cap of 100 or something would be better

>>9131772
works fine but the bot will stop if your phone not focused on the site

>>9129187
I've intentionally made this hard enough, next step would be to make people write their own thing from scratch

>>9132308
>pump and dump multicoin style is the new meta
yeah a cap will be needed

>>9131188
>What you see
adding expensive incentives to drain money from the economy

>What the players see
"Devs added a bunch of cool stuff that only the rich can afford! Why aren't you helping the new players? Fuck you honk!"

>>9132715
>cap is 50
>Top 100 naturally buy the dip
>5000 coins
>dip is gone
that'll level the playing field.

as a gachafag, im just waiting for the devs to add shit (common) items that i can autistically hoard. also auction house

>>9132749
well, poorfags that don't wanna put in the work need to fuck off anyway.
I also talked about a wealth redistribution system that helps newer players who don't bog themselves at the start here >>9129059
I'm fine until we bring up removal of leaderboards or wipes

>taxes

>>9132856
>+1000
>top 20 sells
>dip is back

>>9132999
>well, poorfags that don't wanna put in the work need to fuck off anyway.
then the whole argument is moot, dont change anything.

>>9129907
Warning: Large Image Ahead
Good evening, welcome to the News Hour. This is your NASFAQ Market Report for Thursday, September 2nd.

Add a bunch of weekly leaderboards that covers a range of people. A leaderboard for best weekly div percentage that poor fags with less bags will be able to top much easier than the rich, A weekly leaderboard for most ranks gained and lost, A leaderboard for best crabs etc

>>9097970
god bless you
have a Mio

add a scam lottery and make cycpher think he is going to win because he bought half of the tickets

Add an item that I can buy that lets me target a player and flip the graphs upside-down, or turn reds into greens and vice versa.
I want to see how many people actually read numbers.

>>9133804
let me see if this works
thanks in advance

>>9133119
Tbh I never saw an issue with the EN spike besides the inflation of other coins being accelerated, leaving people who don't have anything invested a bad taste in their mouth.
I'm advocating for an endgame system where we can utilize our money on other investments that are more meaningful than supers and gacha. I know there is a gacha update in the works but it being as useless as it is, we need to have the items have added effects for it to be worthwhile, and make it stack to incentivise more spending. You only need 1 jeb_ and you're set. I have 2, what the hell am I gonna do with it?
Trading it will help but eventually everyone with enough money will have one, and it'll be a dogshit item that gets given out to new players just because it's a paperweight. Like the ignis wraith from warframe, nobody pays for that item because the better players have one or something better already

>>9134237
>warframe
Kek let's just start vaulting coins

>>9134312
not coins but fuck yeah, vault the bug spray and jeb, make it valuable due to scarcity
Locking coins wouldn't help bc, just like warframe, we have the normal versions always available Vault coco and civia though, that's basically our excal prime

>In 38 weeks, if cypherposter only grows 20% per week, he will have 1 trillion dollars

Ok have we decided on what we're doing to fix inflation yet?

>>9134726
Nothing

>>9134524
Not a warframe player here, buy i assume excal prime is a premium currency?

>>9134726
I'm deleting Pekora's channel

>>9134726
>we
wdym we? i embrace and enjoy inflation.

>>9134748
Ok cool
>>9134777
Ayamy says otherwise unless its a perma deletion
>>9134804
>>we
i mean i don't really care if we get stuck inflating just seems like it would be natural to fight against it

>>9134726
>We

>>9134887
permanent. Miko will touch Pekora's butt on Spetembreer 28th and Pekora will muder her live

>>9134761
Excalibur prime was a "founder's package" reward back in 2013. It's a free game but it had a 60$ bundle where you get a better version of the main starter character. Only way to get it, so unless you're one of the OG players you can't get it. In 2018 they made a copy of excalibur prime stat wise called excalibur umbra for everyone.

Ignis wraith is a decent flamethrower that is technically only available from either the "rare stuff guy" baro kiteer, or clans that did an event a while back and did good enough to hit gold. It's cheap to get the blueprint, which is tradable but the big clans all have it so it's just freebies for anyone who is level 9 or above

>>9134887
imo, the only way to fight inflation is a market reset with a modified algo. i dont like that so i just see nasfaq as an idle game-like/coin collecting simulator

Some serious gatekeeping discipline.

>>9134726
>fix

Strong coin. Weak coin. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled traders should try to win with their favorites.

Can the haha add in le season dude shut the fuck up already. Your suggestion is a bad meme and you need to stop trying to force it. The devs have long since said there will never EVER be another reset on the game. Equally important is another reset will be the perma-death of the game as the majority of the playerbase, especially the super active part and those at the top, will just quit.

>>9136907
u mad?

>>9136692
Based rosetai, allow me to offer this to those who read this:
What is your definition of "winning"? If you just want wealth for the number, Then you do you. I wish you luck on your ventures
But my idea of "winning" is getting my favorite coins and holding a lot of em. For that reason, I make trades to fuel the trades that matter. A means to an end.
I'm sure cypher and a lot of the high rollers are in it to get the money, but what use is money if not utilized to your favorites?

The following suggestions for fixing the game are no longer permitted due to timelooping too much:
>Taxes
>Transaction Fees
>Seasons
>Attack Items
>More shit in the gacha
>Nerfing Dividends in any form
If you want to make a suggestion on how to improve the health of the game, you must bring a NEW idea to the table.

Thank you for understanding.

>>9136958
No, but I'd like the singular person trying to force it stop being so pathetic.

>in the top 175
>grow at least 20% everyday
>can only climb 3-4 on the leaderboard per day
I'm not going to make it

>>9137274
>in the top 20
>lose 1 position every month

>>9137313
Have you considered changing your oshi?

>>9137378
I do it every week and it's not working

>>9137438
You whore. Bend over for me.

>have oshi
>buy oshi
>dont care where I am on the leaderboard because I'm just happy I can love my oshi
oshicoinchads WW@?

new idea to improve the health of the game. premium currency that can only be on obtained using irl money so honk and friends can rent a new server for the site

>>9137670
>Buy others to get more money to buy oshi
Selling the other coins to fuel my oshihoard gives me life
Climbing the oshiboard will be a tough grind but I'm gonna do it regardless

>>9137029
Enforced taxes. Should increase the higher you are on the general leaderboard. If spergtard richfags would complain, ignore them

Tax the poor give it to the rich that isn't first place.

>>9138179
make taxes like they are in real life so only the poor actually pay them.

>>9138241
Based, but I'd amend it to the oshiboarders. They are representing the coins and deserve the extra return of their investment

what if there were separate leaderboards that reset each week, but which leaderboard you're competing on depends on your worth so we don't have poors competing with the rich

>>9138179
>>9138294
>>9138241
These are not NEW ideas. These are old ideas on repeat.
Please learn to read.

>>9138401
>person who cant understand sarcasm lecturing someone else about being an ESL
Sure.

I know not the ways of the stonk.
I know not the ways of the profits.
I only wish to hold these coins.
I will hold them past adjustments.
I will hold them through divvies.
I will hold them to infinity...
...and beyond.

>>9138401
you can't fucking decrease inflation when the avenues of attack aren't forced upon to players. Both the supershekel and Gacha methods failed to curb inflation. Only enforced taxes or any sort of similar idea will cull people out. Gacha maybe feasible once devs introduce cheat items on the prize pool but till then, there's no way this hyperinflation will be solved through voluntary means.

>>9138707
But how would taxes work? based off divvies? Net worth? Amount of liquid remaining? Variable rates for those of lower net worth? It's a complicated system that will take a lot of time and brain power.
The gacha solution is the best IMO, I've stated my thoughts on it already here>>9134237 >>9131188
It's an issue where if we rush it and leave it half baked, it'll either do nothing of value or be overkill and unfair

introduce trading fees again but this time it should scale up the higher the coin's demand is. All of those accumulated liquid from those fees should be held by some sort of a central bank where new players could request loan from as starting capital and bailout funds for old and semi active players who came back and missed out a fuckton of opportunities. Divvies should be scaled down to 10% as it should be

>>9139191
this could potentially work too >>9139190

>game
>introduce a mechanic that contains no interactions and is anti-fun
do retards in the thread really want this?

>>9139190
>fees accumulating in a bank that can be reused
fucking no. it needs to vanish. not removing money from circulation is exactly the problem we have. its why house rule monopoly is so fucking painful to play, you keep giving hand outs to the poor and everything just drags on.

>>9139277
the bank system seems very interesting but the loan system would be a bitch unless you don't have to pay it back. Then we talk about interest rates and defaulting on loans and a whole lot of other intricate systems that wouldn't work without proper enforcement.
It's a unique idea but I don't think it'll work as well in practice. Could be talking out my ass though
>>9139454
>muh realism

>>9139454
as much as you wanted to, people like Cypher will never pay egregious sums of money just to get a meme item that will never benefit them. Yeah it's SOVLess but voluntary handing out money to the void would never work with people like him. These same people are what's causing the market to hyperinflate by the way

>>9139849
but if we push too hard and take what the player has earned, then we face killing off the playerbase. A voluntary system with not meme tier items that don't directly boost their net value would be ideal. I will admit it is hard to think of items that make it worthwhile, but it would be for the best due to not facing a deflated economy with little to no active players

>>9128843
I'm still figuring out a few stuff, but theoretically this sheet should cause less stress on the server than zhonkbot, as you're not maintaining the websocket connection 24/7 and requesting way less unnecessary, visual stuff

>>9140177
What about items that increase their net worth but cannot be translated into cash buying power easily?

I did it, I made it to top 150 thanks to EN2!
This must be surely the priestess will!
I'm going to do it, I'm gonna make it to the top!

>>9140177
then re-introducing trade fees might be a good solution afterall. Surely it wont hurt for richfags to buy high-demand coins at more expensive prices anyway

>>9140440
Anon.... don't publish ddos machines when you're still figuring stuff out, the websocket IS BETTER than REST calls, honk himself has been begging people to use to websocket over purely REST calls, this was the MAIN reason the old haaton sheets were so awful, because they COULD NOT use websockets... like your sheet.
You can mitigate all you want, your sheet is already more demanding on the server than zhonkbot.

can you faggots stop trying to make the game less fun for the rich and make it more fun being poor?

>>9139191
Based on net worth (tax brackets, start paying them at 10x the starting amount so newfags don't complain or something like that), payed at divs.
>It's a complicated system
It's not. Literally just a percentage. I you go negative, your assets get seized. Last month, cypher has seen a weekly growth of 48%. I think he can afford some taxes.
>gacha
Won't work. Turboautists won't gamble.

Still, I don't think taxes address the real issue here which is that you cannot lose. No, inflation doesn't really matter, cause everyone's net worth gets inflated at the same rate. The problem here is that there's no way of losing. There's no fun in playing a game you can't lose.

>>9140795
t. cypher
your day of reckoning will come

>>9140512
I sorta suggested it with adding the "jets" and "yachts" we refer to for milestones as actual items. The issue then would lie with the oshicoiners like myself, I wouldn't care for an item that doesn't help me climb the oshiboard. It's a flex for sure, and I know some people would make it a competition to get the most of em, but some people wouldn't engage with the system, and then it'd flop.
There has to be an observable, noticeable effect to the items, but with that we can charge obscene amounts of liquid currency to take care of inflation. If the effect the item gives is able to stack, that would incentivise more and more investment. If we made jeb cost 10 million, but you only needed one, we'd be back to square one in a week. Can't make it cost more bc then it wouldn't be bought in the first place, doing nothing to solve the issue

>>9140837
>Turboautists won't gamble.
I also suggested a shop with buffs that take obscene amounts of liquid currency that would incentivise spending, while not providing more cash directly. I only use gacha bc it's an existing system that is currently being worked on, I'd be easier to slap that part to the gacha than start a whole new project

I say taxes are complicated because there are deductions that the ultrarich use to avoid paying taxes on their shares. Trust funds, offshore accounts or whatever.
I do think there has to be a certain amount of deductions to more accurately simulate actual expenses, but then we'd be shifting from a simulated stock market to GTA online with vtubers
sorry for reddit spacing but it makes it easier to read my thoughts out and seperate my points

>>9141167
This idea would be based if we weren't multiple months into this games lifespan. Something like prestige in games where you reset, but you still have something to show for your superiority/true net worth. You wouldn't be able to convince people now to accept it now likely, but I imagine it could've been implemented well near the start of the of game's life cycle.

Let me break it down for you:
>Taxes
Bad because this punishes you for winning.
>Transaction Fees
Punishes you for playing the game.
>Gacha
Uses money you could be using to improve position.
>Nerf Dividend Values
Disporportionately fucks people not in the Top 50 and heavily leans the metagame towards forced Adjustment/Daytrading.
>Gameplay Seasons
Resetting progress is a FOMO trap. This isn't an esport, it's a fucking stock market about anime girls. Don't make it one.
>Seasons with total progress
You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

It's timelooped so much at this point that I'm not even going to actually make my argument, I'm just going to post a single word that will tell you what you need in the game: Risk.
Now quit timelooping. This isn't fucking /hlgg/. We're better than that.

>>9142699
>Adding a separate game to another game
timeloop, etc.

>>9142769
I didn't mean that. I actually forgot somebody suggested adding Risk as a game within the game.

>>9140665
I believe in you anonchama!

>>9142361
I notice the shortcomings and I agree that no-one now would accept it
>unless
We make it awards to the oshiboard members. It would limit it to one per person, and fuel more competition for underperforming coins. Might be dogshit but hey

That or turn it into a better version of the coin. Trade in 25 coins for a marine lambo, and use it to consolidate trades and easier transfers, but not for cash directly. scale it up, so that you need 20 lambos for a yacht, 5 yachts for a jet. I'm speaking out my ass at this point and it's stupid, but it might be able to solve the struggle of coin hoarding you run into at the top

>>9140752
It does not regularly update the market. Market calls are made manually when the user wants to, as opposed to haatonsheet where it was automatically called after every single trade. It's a vast improvement, and I think it will be called less than 3 times a day since the sheet doesn't rely on it that much, so basically nothing really. But thanks for the heads up anyways, I'll add a warning to further prevent people from being stupid and clicking on it constantly

I will never catch up to Konnui

>>9143551
stay poor

>>9140752
I've already tested it and it makes at most ~150 requests a day under a sane person, minus the 144 trade requests it's basically nothing. I can't really stop people from being insane, if they have malicious intent they'll find a way anyways.

>>9143551
On the oshiboard? Because the board has been dead for nearly a month now.

>>9142699
>literally ignoring transaction fees

>>9144701

>>9142361
I'm autistically following this idea up because I think it could solve a couple of issues with the current game.
My idea is to implement something like Prestige you would see in CoD or a lot of modern games that want to encourage a sense of progression in some shape or form.
>Wouldn't this just forcibly reset players?
Here's the gimmick behind the idea, it's optional, you can still accumulate your wealth into the millions or now billions with no repercussions, however in exchange for this, you are defaulting your leaderboard rank to any one who does prestige.
So for example, Joesei prestiges and is now prestige 1 with $70k or whatever the amount is that new players start with.
Jojoe doesn't prestige and proceeds to accumulate wealth.
In exchange for not sacrificing his wealth to Honk, Joesei will permanently be above Jojoe in leaderboard rank, regardless of the amount of wealth Jojoe may accumulate.
>This affects older players too hardly and makes it easier for newfags!!!
For the first week of implementation, you are able to sacrifice the threshold for prestige multiple times to get to a true prestige rank, so if the threshold is 100mil, cypher could prestige 10 times + a slight boost to whatever left over amount that isn't even divided. This makes it so older players can still substantiate their lead with little repercussions and hold onto their leaderboard spots. For newer players, it could easily serve as a function to substantiate yourself above a bunch of corpses and feel like you're actually competing with others easily.
After this first week, anyone who prestiges has to sacrifice the entirety of their wealth for a singular prestige, this prevents people from easily accumulating more wealth at the top and then buying to a higher prestige faster than those that prestiged during that initial week.
>Muh oshi
You can choose not to prestige and easily buy more of your oshi and climb the oshiboard than those that prestiged. However, in order to make sure those that prestiged don't easily lose their spots at the top of their boards, their current coin amounts would be saved on the oshiboard, and then continue as normal.
>What if some guy doesn't prestige and just buys my oshi constantly while I'm stuck being poor after prestiging losing my spot?
Now here's the fun part, I'm thinking of a slight multiplier to your oshi coin amounts when you prestige again, excluding the initial waves of prestiging and the first prestige. So you can prestige to level 2, and any of your oshi you may hold, will be that coin amount * (some multiplier scaling off of prestige) to a round number. This partially encourages prestiging instead of just afk buying your oshi, as prestiging would give a slight boost to your fight for the oshiboard, combining leaderboard climbing and oshiboard climbing.
>Oshi solution panders too much to older players!
Yes and no, I'm not saying the multiplier has to be any massive factor, and there would definitely be a strategy of getting to prestige 5 and buying a shit ton of your oshi for ages and then prestiging for a massive boost to oshi count.
>Implementation
Bog the coin prices over the span of that week of implementation, giving everyone a last hoorah to try and get early prestige as much as possible, this also forces coin prices down to ensure you aren't just fucked after prestiging after being bought out.

Tl;dr: I think Prestige could remove money from the game while also encourage a closer leaderboard fight and let those who wish to compete easier.
tl;dr's tl;dr: Don't Buy Towa
Yes I wrote an essay over this a net game, just bored with my autotrader on.

>>9144701
I do sorta agree that transaction fees would do more harm than good, unless the fees are bundled with multitrades
>Oh, you wanna buy 20 mori? Sure, but you gotta pay 20% more for speeding up the transaction.
Sales take up to 15% of the total trade value, and cap the amount to 20 (for simplicity and to not totally bog any dips too quickly)
Thoughts?

just an idea, what about adding a chuuba's picture in gacha that you can make your profile so rich oshicoiners have a money sink?

>>9145275
If I'm an oshicoiner on a live board I'm not spending ANYTHING that doesn't either get me more money to spend on oshicoins or get me more oshicoins.
People who don't really give a shit about thier oshi long-term like Dancer are going to be top players no matter what because they'll just go where the money is. Dedicated oshicoiners will go to war with each other over somebody having 20 more shares than somebody else.
If you want to attack oshicoiners' liquid, you need to tie it to the board itself.

>>9145028
nice essay, sorta speed read it twice over. I know I wouldn't do it because I don't care about the leaderboard at large, just the oshiboard. If we adjusted it to multiply trades per prestige.... I would be on board. Not retroactively but just allow me to buy 3 coins a cycle for 3x the price. I wrote >>9145224, which I think would be easier to implement and get more people on board to move with this change but the prestige idea isn't too bad and would definitely deal with the issue of overinflation

>>9145643
Please read
>What if some guy doesn't prestige and just buys my oshi constantly while I'm stuck being poor after prestiging losing my spot?
Now here's the fun part, I'm thinking of a slight multiplier to your oshi coin amounts when you prestige again, excluding the initial waves of prestiging and the first prestige. So you can prestige to level 2, and any of your oshi you may hold, will be that coin amount * (some multiplier scaling off of prestige) to a round number. This partially encourages prestiging instead of just afk buying your oshi, as prestiging would give a slight boost to your fight for the oshiboard, combining leaderboard climbing and oshiboard climbing.

Now I'm not saying you don't have to prestige to oshicoin, my intent is to make sure you could get some reward from prestiging even if you just oshiboard climb, this isn't final idea at all with numbers/tiny details, just think it could work unless I get an insane shutdown response.

>>9129121
based

What happened on this thread.

Good morning, I am buying Towa.

>>9146514
Idk, buy luna

>>9145798
Just to clairiy, when you say
>their current coin amounts would be saved on the oshiboard, and then continue as normal.
If I had 1000 rushia's, they would be "locked in" and permanently bound to my account, and untradeable? And would the multiplier would be applied to the amount "locked in" or overall?
Also, to prestige, would you need to reach _______ amount in net worth or liquid?
Either way, I feel this isn't gonna reduce the issue of over inflation and the purchasing power of the dollar. If you are locking in those numbers, then the prices would just go back up to current and then we'd be buying 20k marine coin with 130k to our name in about 2 weeks of the system being implemented without massive algorithm changes
It's an expensive migrane of a system that'll just lead to the current top players still being up top and the rest who did prestige poorer than ever and dealing with the unpristeged rich pumping the prices of coins to the point where everyone who did prestige can barely buy in

>>9145458
Everyone on my oshiboard buys 24/7 with liquid left over, even at current prices. Anyone not on my oshiboard who might be interested in getting on my oshiboard is a poorfag who will never catch up barring a total reset or current board members quitting the game.

>>9147285
>If I had 1000 rushia's, they would be "locked in" and permanently bound to my account, and untradeable? And would the multiplier would be applied to the amount "locked in" or overall?
The oshiboard would display you having 1000 rushias if thats your top coin, you wouldn't be able to sell them off the oshiboard and could only replace it by having more of a different coin, so to answer your question, it would probably closer to being "locked in". The coins aren't just locked up in an untradeable land, they're legitimately removed from the practical volume but all that would remain is the number.
>Also, to prestige, would you need to reach _______ amount in net worth or liquid?
Net worth.
>reduce the issue of over inflation and the purchasing power of the dollar.
I mentioned to bog the coins in >Implementation of the essay.
>current top players still being up top
You lose a sizeable portion of the playerbase if you make it so they aren't on top anymore, they have to prestige if they truly want to hold that top spot.
>unpristeged rich pumping the prices of coins
This is the only problem I really see with my idea and that's why I wanted ideas on how to counter it. Objectively, there would be no reason to just accumulate wealth at the top w/o prestiging, except for tactically buying oshi to increase your amount on the board.
>issue of over inflation
This would remove a sizeable amount of coin volume and money in the game, as when you prestige, you lose all your coins, and at best there would be a record of your coin amounts before the prestige. Oshiboard would only track the number you had at prestiges + any you currently would own.

>posted an hour after the Sana Mumei incline
What did she mean by this?
https://youtu.be/5O9k4uy54cU

>>9134726
dev's game, dev's job to balance it, dev's decision, simple as.

>>9137029
>nerfing divvies
literally what the devs said would have to happen in some way or form.

>>9148916
That doesn't mean it's not a suggestion that's timelooping forever. I'd argue that the devs confirming that they intend to do that in some way makes the discussion on it timeloop HARDER.
We're all intelligent anons here. Probably. Surely we can come up with some stuff that isn't just a mild iteration from previously-discussed ideas?

>>9145224
devs were close to implementing literally this, 2 months ago for 500

>>9137029
You forgot >nations

>>9136907
stay poor

>>9137029
Auction hoshiyomi's dick

>>9148380
So If I prestige with 1k rushia on the oshiboard, but the guy who didn't prestige gets 1200, then I'd be knocked off the top spot on the board
I understand the initial bog will stabilize the prices before being able to prestige, but the overbuying will jump the price up again.
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To counter the unprestiged rich pumping coin prices, best way would be to make a new playing field. This is just a complete wipe with extra steps, which would fix the issue but kill the game in the process.

I liked the idea but it's either a game of "who's gonna prestige first", followed by everyone hoarding more to lock in at a higher spot, or a wipe with our previous stats visible but out of reach
I'm thinking on an empty stomach so I might be off by a mile, but those are my views based on what I've read

>>9149612
>So If I prestige with 1k rushia on the oshiboard, but the guy who didn't prestige gets 1200, then I'd be knocked off the top spot on the board
Yes, but as a result of your prestiging you'll have a slight multiplier to the amount of Rushia you would hold, so one Rushia after one prestige is functionally 1.1 Rushia on the oshiboard for example (not final multiplier/number), this should allow you still compete while also making sure Oshiboards aren't just dead. My goal with this is to force oshiboard confrontations in some way.
>Overbuying/Unprestiged Rich
Again, objectively there is no reason to not prestige, especially during that first week, but I guess it wouldn't be wild to think of some people just at 400mil buying and selling every coin just cause, pumping prices, which honestly could be viable strategy in a way, unless it's a very large amount of people doing that.
> "who's gonna prestige first"
For the first week, it'll definitely be a case of who prestiges last so you can take advantage of the bog week fully for that last hoorah. I'm thinking it would be that and a "wipe" but not really, as you don't have to participate you'll just begin losing positions on the leaderboard.
>General Concerns
Again, this is why I brought it up, I'm worried with the multiplier thing it will just make those at the top of the oshiboards permanently be top, which isn't different from what it is now. I'm just throwing ideas out there, realistically this would be added with other major adjustments to try and curb any possible issues like overbuying and such. As again, it's functionally a "wipe" in some shape/form but attempting to maintain/preserve previous work/progress in the game, while also encouraging users to take the "wipe" which would try to curtain some market issues as well, with coin volume.

>>9145028
>Yes I wrote an essay over this a net game, just bored with my autotrader on
kind of the point of the threads yo
also I know oldfags are complaining about a timeloop here but it at least shows the game is still somewhat beloved by the newer players

Now, regarding your idea: prestige would only work with liquid wouldn't it. So Cypher right now could do it once, and he will be one of only a few players able to afford it.
If the amount needed grows with total market evaluation it will be the same rat race as we already have.
sure you COULD prestige coins away but who would do that if they stay such a good investment? And why even buy them if they don't?
Aside from that, you now have a tiered leaderboard. And really, that's about it. You had to spend money to get there one way or another, others following you will have to do the same, it's basically another form of currency at this point. One that you would only use once you pass 100M in divvies and you already struggle to spend all that shit.
I don't want to immediately thrash the idea, don't get me wrong, just interested in how well it holds up regarding these points.

>>9128604
Thanks anon. I can finally go out without being paranoid of my house catching fire again

>>9149193
your post gave me an excellent idea to prevent this shit, give me half an hour to whip up something

>>9150773
>also I know oldfags are complaining about a timeloop here but it at least shows the game is still somewhat beloved by the newer players
I joined in back in April fyi, but I didn't really do much with the game, I was also lurking the game for a bit as well.

>prestige would only work with liquid wouldn't it
Mentioned later, that I was thinking net worth as to partially force/encourage prestiges onto players. That threshold I mentioned was just a random number, I'm fine with it being whatever, if it's smaller it can be liquid, more, it should be networth.
>amount needed grows with total market evaluation
Never mentioned this, threshold would stay constant as to try and curtail people from overbuying with vast quantities of excess liquid
>sure you COULD prestige coins away but who would do that if they stay such a good investment? And why even buy them if they don't?
You prestige your entire wallet, no choosing which coins, if I'm understanding what you're saying. My idea is to essentially make it so you go through the whole cycle of being something similar to a new player, switching between daytrading and effective divs. On top of that, even if you reach $300mill in net worth, if you don't prestige during the initial transition phase, you don't get to carry that over to prestige multiple times as to discourage such easy climbing.
>tiered leaderboard
Yes. As ugly as it could look, it would be a tiered system, but the it also serves to divide up the leaderboard and you could watch competition in real time, you could even doing player/player competitions where you both prestige at the same time and see who succeeds the most to showcase the better player, a pseudo-season if you will. It also would essentially force/show any decently actively player, instead of a bunch of corpses hanging around.

I'm going to sleep now, but I hope my thoughts are conveyed to everyone under my essays. Again, it's a general idea/system and is no means final for an appeal to honk/devs and I'm willing to discuss changes to my proposal, it's the most thinking I've done for this game in the past couple of weeks.

Still really don't get the idea of fixing inflation now. Could have prevented this way before

>>9152181
yea why bother fixing issues now, shouldve just done it in the past lol oh well guess we shouldnt fix things

>>9152300
I know you're trying to sound sarcastic but you're only sounding like a retard. Almost making me want to say go back to /v/

>>9150464
what I meant is that, if I decide, "I'm at a good spot and on top of my oshiboard, lemme prestige now because I can afford to" And jackass larry who's been in 4th place for months see's that I prestiged with 1000, so he'll one up me by prestiging with 1500, getting the multiplier on his and surpassing me, all because I prestiged first. I can't unprestige, buy more, then prestige. It would be better just not to, to ensure nobody takes over.
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>"who's gonna prestige first"
>For the first week, it'll definitely be a case of who prestiges last
Nobody would prestige, and the system is DOA. You even stated it yourself down below, stating that nothing would change with this system by itself as it
A wipe in any form harms the playerbase. I'm once again gonna refer to destiny 2, because that's the main game I play that went through a reset of sorts.
After sunsetting was announced, the gear we got was devalued due to a artificial lifespan. I didn't wanna play because all the time I'm putting in wouldn't matter it the gun/armor is gonna be dead in a year. Why would I invest in the new stuff?
I understand that I'm doing apples to oranges here, but the commonality of "taking shit away from players means no players" will ring true in both situations. Oshicoiners get fucked in this system, the people who care for money will drool over the idea of "being up top bc I prestiged" but if nobody plays the game like that the system dies.
I hope I don't sound like an asshole for pointing these out, you put a fuckton of thought into it and I wouldn't be able to completely design a system like this by myself. But I feel like my playstyle will get harmed by the system, so it becomes unfun and I'll just do more fit reps or jap reps.

>>9151757
>prestige would only work with liquid wouldn't it
your networth is inherently tied to coin value at [current time]. You will need to provide another interface entirely for the player to select which coins to pay if you want to have a flow "I want to prestige -> game detects not enough liquid but enables you to spend coins -> player SELECTS the coins", it can under NO circumstance just be random coins or you would fuck over long-term investments willy-nilly.
Cypher wouldn't be worth 1B without coin value being this high, and there is no objective coin value, only stats and a vague formula we MUST not know in order to make the game a game and not another "follow the wiki to win" experience.
>amount needed grows with total market evaluation
was one of the ideas which came up writing this, just to tick it off the list
>sure you COULD prestige coins away but who would do that if they stay such a good investment? And why even buy them if they don't?
that was still about how to pay the X amount of money. If you actually prestige away your whole wallet as well, that also means you best do it at low market prices OR even better, sell off all your coins at HIGH market prices beforehand so you are not bound to current market prices in order to pay said price. If you slap a pricetag on it, that implicitly suggests there will be something left to take with you, effectively mooting the "new player experience" you want to provide - other way around if all you need is hit a threshold (like I think you mean the whole time) and then spend literally EVERYTHING to get this, it better be fancy.
>tiered leaderboard
basically you're collecting stars or levels here. Unless they bring inherent benefits besides not losing your leaderboard position to the next player, you would undo all your previous efforts but also rank up to the last place of that Tier. So the implication would be immediately do it when you hit the threshold - this would lead to players demanding the oshiboard coin count to be seperate from this, I say this with confidence because I spent 4 months building this shit up and I personally would demand it, I'm sure there's others.
Just adding to your idea and playing devil's advocate where I can.

>>9152181
>game about buy red sell green with a broker magically creating that money
>wonder why all the players sell green and money in hand of players increases

why the FUCK is everything so GREEN

>>9152602
nta but the process of finding some working thing in IT usually involves theorycrafting the shit out of it beforehand in order to have the devs do something not only everyone could agree on but which also works SO FAR so their effort will most likely not go to waste as well as them pointing out any kinks the thinkymen couldn't or didn't think about.
That's also why we got superchats and gacha as first attempts at a solution, both were minimally invasive on the core gameplay while also attempting to solve the problem by incentivising spending money. Both were the hot shit for a while, jeb_ proved to be something worth spending 2-3 Million on and is so far the most success the game had in providing any kind of money sink. HATS devs, trust me on this one. I'll sink so much fucking money into gacha for a pirate hat you wouldn't believe.
tl;dr: don't be sorry for actually taking the dude and his idea seriously, you're doing him a service here and 4ch somehow is about throwing your ideas out and getting them hammered instead of hugboxing faggots and culting around some idols/gurus mindlessly

>>9128604
This is the first time I actually took my time to check the sheets, so far I have been using Zhonkbot and doing my reps on my side.
>It tells you what to buy and what to sell
>It automatically buys dips and moons for you at adjustments,
>It tells you the divvs margin for each coin.
What a bunch of faggots. No wonder everything is so stale when all you have to do is press 4 buttons on a spread sheet once a day. Why don't you go an extra step and also automate that?

I just think it's funny how this game is like a microcosm of why it's so hard to fix the economy IRL. No matter what rules are proposed the rich always seems to win.

Chart comparing daily views from cutoff to cutoff. Sorted by %change for now.

>>9153770
Nasfaq is the game wherein players find out how to fix the economy while making everybody happy

>>9153869
Damn goorah

>>9153693
>>9153693
While you are at it could also add a daytrade mode where it buys coins when holostats detects more views than the previous day, you are already doing 90% of the job so may as well.

Remember when 10k coins were considered expensive hahaha

>>9153693
>release new sheet
>bog the servers
>get half the playerbase banned before bogpocalypse
>take over leaderboard
Haatons at it again...

>>9153526
Shut the fuck up mikonigger
Jokes aside, I just wanted to make sure he knows I'm trying to be constructive instead of just giving him shit. I don't want this place to ever turn into a hugbox but I'm not that much of an asshole to blatantly shit on people's ideas without offering advice first. Call me a sissy faggot, idc

>>9153693
just wait until we get another large movement day and people start trading on all coins at once. itll hit the quota cap for urlfetch calls and stop the sheet. the amount of people crying over their bot breaking at the worst time will be great.

>>9154338
>>9154589
But where the previous sheets also like that?
I always knew they traded without being open, and I assumed they gave you some graphs about your coins and shit, but not that they basically played the game for you.

>>9154642
the other sheets, unless some crackheads modded it, just bought however much you told it to. The code was fucky so it'd spam the server with buy request for every coin until it bought one,then it's maybe smooth out and get the cycles right, if I remember correctly

>>9151214
>half an hour
Here's a timeloop: futures, puts and options.
Futures on margin just like they are for commodities, but even riskier because they could be restricted to sub count or something.
People could literally ruin themselves screwing those up. This game needs high risk/high reward choices. Everything right now is low risk/high reward.
t. doesn't understand actual stonks

>>9155709
From a pure game design perspective, right now the market is exactly as you described: Low Risk, High Reward. The risk should match or at least attempt to be close to the reward. The market isn't booming, it's stagnating.

Reset everything and make it seasonal.

>>9154357
>
You stay the person you are and react how you want, nobody dictates you to be a vile asshole here. You CAN be, which makes conversation more direct, kind of the beauty of this place.

>>9128604
thanks anon, I stole your holopoi code for my own sheet. this was the one thing i hated doing manually.

>>9154897
I just feel like I have been wasting all this time and effort playing against automated spreadsheets and that's just not worth it. I am out.

>>9156147
See ya at adjustment

>>9128604
>>9153693
>What a bunch of faggots. No wonder everything is so stale when all you have to do is press 4 buttons on a spread sheet once a day.
I say this sheet is a godsent.

Everyone abusing this without thought will buy Sanas when she dips from 50k to 30k, or if it actually does calculations with div% will outright refuse to buy after a while, both of which will have you fucking hardstuck or outright bogging yourself. We could write a script to track players with specific buying patterns just to laugh at what their trader does. honk can easily yeet all of them by blocking Google IPs at random times of the day just to fuck with them as well. It's a setup to make people pay the idiot tax.

>>9155709
I will correct my statement to half an hour of effortpost, which will have to wait until my current wagiegrind is done.

Every coin is inflating right now. Fuck it, I don't give a shit about MPP anymore. I'm buying FBKing.

I hate this place for the sole fact that I am dangerously close to fucking a lady twice my age
I blame botan, I blame mio, I blame the hag threads
>most of all, I blame myself

>>9153869
This sort order is beautiful. Buy at the top, sell at the bottom. Thank you!

>>9156872
You were always a hagchad, anon.
You just needed a push.

>>9156872
Hags need love too

>there are still people selling Gura at 34k
ngmi

https://twitter.com/kureijiollie/status/1433643087897632771
THE FINAL YAB IS APPROACHING SELL YOUR OLLIECOIN

>>9157354
>Isreal

>>9156872
there's a saying in Germany: You learn to sail on old ships.

>>9156892
yeah, for simpletons that's perfect.

>>9154214
Kekked and saved, and now I know what to write at the bottom of that shitpost I'd been working on.
Mikofag, if it hits while I'm asleep and nobody's got anything ready, you know what to do for the next OP.

>>9157395
>>9157064
>>9156997
Polka is cake still so I'm aiming for that, but nigga I'm 20 and too damn proper for girls my age. If I find me a suger mama one of these days lord forgive me. Reps please work in my favor

>>9157354
>>9157391
I hope its a Selen collab just to blow the fuck out of vshojofags

>>9157391
Probably just an Apex tournament. If it was a Apex collab with connor the sky would be blotted out with streamsnipers from all three fanbases.

>>9156872
just fuck /fit/anon's aunt

>>9157995
I've seen Ollie play Apex recently, but I don't watch her often. How's she take criticism? Selen won't be rude, but she'll overtly call Ollie a loot goblin and be completely casual and unrepentant about it.

>>9158208
No idea, I just think itll be a shitshow of screaming and trash talk and I want to see the world burn.

>>9156872
>fucking w*men
The absolute state of veetee. Go away normalfag

>>9156872
Never go for 3d hags mate. Hags are only desirable as 2d.

>devs still on radio silence
how hard is it to tweak some numbers, you had the entire past month to do it like you were warned to.

>>9158938
They have had more than the last month. They should have realised it when people were starting to get 10mil+ or half their net worth in dividends and only getting more with time.

>>9158983
people are getting half their net worth in dividends?

>>9159073
Nah. 10~15% is typical. I don't think anybody above Top 100 is pulling 50% divvies.

>>9159111
??? 20-25% is typical. if youre only pulling 15%, especially at low networth, you need to git gud.
no wonder theres so many people in here crying that its hard to progress. its not because the rich have too much money, you just suck at the game.

that being said, 15-20 might be typical now that everything is super inflated (assuming divs dont scale to the new values)

>>9159111
>10-15% is typical
compared to networth which is bullshit because it inflates with coin prices like right now, compare it to the money you ACTUALLY invested.

>>9159239
MPP is a meme

>>9158914
Listen anon, Sometimes the hands ain't doing it
That and I need more experience to better please my future wife and current oshi so.
Anyway, what about the gigachad who paid 300 bucks to smash IRL ina but not? He's overly based for that in my book
>>9158921
Sugar mamas though

>>9159239
>>9159148
I did my math wrong. I came up with 9% because I'm retarded, assumed I'm bad at the game, and adjusted up.
I forgot to account for the massive spike we've had since last divvies.

>>9159380
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V3BBI_e-MOk
Sugar mama you say?

>>9159491
There's no way there are multiple people on /vt/ who's this obsessed to yogiri like this. I can only think of one guy who does

>>9158938
I don't think the devs even care about our input anymore. They'll just proceed as to what they have in mind.
At least they were present during the server boggening

>>9159491
>>9159598
Why aren't we getting the dead or graduated holocoins anyways. Are they some kind of ultimate yab that could get the game killed if they were added?

>>9159805
They literally don't have a youtube channel. A coin needs to have a youtube channel first which would be the basis of her actual value in the game

>>9159858
considering how a certain rabbit is /here/ I'd love for us to have more shit coins like phase connect, prism project, VOMS and nijiEN. Just something to break up the monotony of hololive/mamas

>>9159858
dozo
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgZuwn-O7Szh9cAgHqJ6vjw
and even then, a dead coin or graduated coin wont even move except if players buy or sell coins with the sole exception of Coco.
I don't think it's impossible to add Yogurt even without a youtube channel

>>9159239
basing div returns off mpp is a poor mans game. it completely negates the profits you could have made selling high. Yes I know im replying to bait, I dont care. fuck you.

>>9159805
Because they don’t use Youtube, anon.

my goals are beyond your understanding

>>9159923
stop shilling yourself here pippa
jk I'm excited at your Sovereign Citizens strimm

>>9159971
>>9159933
So with that logic, we could get Aloe then?

>>9160027
No one cares about Aloe.

>>9160003
I wish I was pippa lol
I'd laugh if she actually stops by these threads though
Pippa if you're reading this hi

>>9159923
We have enough shitcoins as it is.

>>9160061
The mental gymnastics with these people

>>9160073
hi

>>9159336
>MPP is a meme
>Mean PURCHASE Price
>RETURN on investment
>having something RETURN that you never sent off
>>9159961
>thinking this is bait
>actually fucking thinking any move you didn't make matters somehow
>not even comparing pure profit (divvies) vs. profits from a sale (exchanging future divvies money for liquid minus coin Purchase Price)
I am surrounded by absolute fucking morons who like to think half the way to the real solution but already assume they outsmarted the strat.

>>9159923
then go make that game, not honk's job.

>>9160166
>I am surrounded by absolute fucking morons
You noticed that too late. This thread is filled with them for quite a while now.
Maybe ever since this became a safezone for them to ridicule anyone who doesn't agree with them

>>9159923
Aloe is a whore

>>9160215
nta, people like you are part of the problem.
I can't even read if you fucking agree here or not.
Most zoomers ITT never bother with more than one-liners to get some cheap (you)s, rare are the posts where we get actual refutations or basic fucking math to prove a point.
>he doesn't know
neither does he who posts this shit.
I usually don't even reply anymore, this is not a safezone, people who actually did the calcs and reap the profit for it just know they're on to something, NOBODY except honk knows the algos, EVERYTHING is a theory, all we explain here once in a while is the absolute BASICS to strategies in this game.

>>9160353
Basics can take you quite far, probably to the top 100. Only then the climb becomes harder and you need to pull out some wacky calc plays rather than just playing by instinct/fundamentals.

>>9160353
>this is not a safezone

>>9160376
>complaining about autism in an autism simulator for autistic people watching virtual representations of 2D illustrations of w*men which simulates imaginary prices for non-existant products go up and down
ngmi

>>9159598
I’m not him. I’m just a guy that like chuubas with beautiful voice. There’s no way I can let her go after listening to her Angelfish and Pizza covers. I just tune it to her utawaku streams whenever I have the time. She’s doing fine btw.

Devs don't even read the thread anymore.

>>9160419
Don't get me wrong, I ain't complaining, since I'm pouring autism into calc sheets myself. Also, forgot to say, but nta for both this message and the reply to mikoposter.

>mikoschizo talking to himself
I'm going back to bed

>54 IP's
>53 are me
>The other one is the mikoschizo
nasfaq is reclining...

Can you imagine the devs coming into the thread discussing possible solutions and features to the game while taking the playerbase feedback into consideration? Yeah, me neither.

>>9160583
>>9160506
>5am Burgerhours
psa: devs are burgers. If any are around, it's latenight for yuros.

>>9160583
Yeah, fuck your feedbacks. More gacha!

sorry one of the devs i know is sleeping desu
he shall awake in several hours

>>9160556
burgers are snoozing

>>9160684
They also weren't here for the past 15 hours
>>9160694
Tell him to go back to sleep

>>9160742
ok i shall tell him to go to sleep when he wakes up
inflation big concern for devs
devs in hard place to big changes to make everyone happy
i am very poor
help poors

>>9160742
picrel is what happens when the devs don't respond to (you)
>all this came out of thin air
listen, shit on people all you want, you're free to do so here, but I'm also allowed to tell you you're being surreal when you require devs
- of a free fucking game
- on 4chan of all places
- which they code in their lunchbreaks at work
to monitor this autistic fuckfest of the same 3-4 people roleplaying 50 personas for 24 hours a day every day of the week.
You literally have better chances on the floor, and the chances in the thread get WORSE every time we repeat the same timeloop.

>>9160742
>They also weren't here for the past 15h
>wanting devs to be on this thread dealing with schizos 24/7
Go give them money if you want them to be around more frequently
ko-fi.com/nasfaq

>>9160884
>>9160990
My bad I forgot they shouldn't be dealing with this game at all, and that I should just be eating whatever they give and praise them for everything. How silly of me to expect that. I'll just wait for that gacha.
Surely they'll appear once the "schizo" talk about feedbacks are done and we're back with the dickposting.
Haha that's a lot better than having topic like this because it's filled with schizos talking about the game and giving ideas

>>9161142
show me that cool idea of yours. I'll put it in the next op for discussion.

coin when

>>9161170
>I'll put it in the next op for discussion.
And invite the "schizos" again to talk about feedbacks or ideas about the game? XDD
haha post dick instead post wallet too :DD

>>9161809
kys

>>9161809
>no link to anything written before
so no idea whatsoever, as expected.

Next op should be the aggie image I think. I don't remember it being used yet

>>9127110
You wouldn't happen to live on an island off the coast of Canada would you?

>>9159380
>Sugar mamas though
Are ugly skans and nothing like 2d hags.

A jet at last...

make a new thread niggers

I was so mad I made a chart Edition:
>>9163864
>>9163864
>>9163864
flame me for shit I missed I'll add it in the NEW THREAD

mumei baby